HOT TAKE on Manuel Gardner Fernandez | He's NOT Tim Henson!
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Manuel Gardner Fernandez has been a serious force within the progressive instrumental guitar world but why is he so heavily compared to Tim Henson? Is he actually just an imitator of Tim and Polyphia's style or does he possess more individuality than what he's credited for?
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Manual, Ichaka, Marcin, Tim, Scotty and Charles are all THE new generation. They are all absolutely incredible guitarists. I know Marcin is predominantly acoustic and Charles is always using processing on his tracks they are every bit as talented as the rest so I include them in the new generation guitarist list. And all of the are definitely GOATED ❤
GOATS indeed
Totally agree
Novander, Athan Sin, and Obnoxious are the up and coming talents imo tim and the others are established musicians.
Manuel has easily the most interesting and unique right hand and vibrato sound in the game right now
So glad someone is speaking on Manuel Gardner, man deserves it! One of the things that I always see that disappoints me is the old heads always saying there's no feel or that it's fake. I don't understand why they hate it so much, when all they ever do is play classic rock songs and never really growing from there. I didn't really start getting into guitar until I saw Polyphia, Chon, Covet, and Unprocessed. Now it's all I listen to. They all have a unique sound while also pushing the bar on what you can play and make the guitar sound like. It's awesome and I'm glad to be part of this generation of progressive rock/guitar playing. Great vid btw!
I would say Manuel is distinctly artistic with his style. It reflects in some of the music videos like with Deadrose and Snake, it feels very similar to what Yvette Young does with her music and videos. I think overall his sound has matured a lot as of recent with the most recent release of the album Gold and he implements a unique mix of some heavier sections like The Longing and The Game, some artistic songs like Rain and Dinner, and some flex/catchy songs like Portrait and Fabulist. Overall I would say his writing still needs some work, but technically he might be the strongest of the new age of electric guitarists.
Also after seeing Unprocessed live opening for Polyphia recently I can say he has significantly improved live in both guitar and vocals. I honestly think Gold is almost their equivalent of The Most Hated where they have found a comfortable sound and I'm really looking forward to how they refine it with their next project.
God Yvette just has the most fuckin beautiful writing. She seems to be criminally underrated still, whereas to me she's one of the best writers in the game, while having a playing skill that keeps pace with the best the best players today.
people do the same thing with Ichika Nito too. There's a huge difference between straight up copying someone and being influenced by them to create their own sound. Awesome video, you absolutely nailed it
saw unprocessed and polyphia together a couple weeks ago, it was a good time
Don't care much for this modern style of playing but they're both absolutely phenomenal artists in their own ways. Mind-blowing skills.
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i mean the screams have always been there and they are still there. Also, Thrash got released and it's some of their most hardest shit that appeals to metal fans, so I don't think this is a statement founded on much fact.
Another informative video that I truly enjoyed! Thanks for the great content and editing.💜🥰
Great Content, video
manuel is the most underrated guitarists to think that ppl title mateus mancuso(no hate) as the best guitarist in the world is just ridiculous in my point. Manuel has basically mastered every skill in guitar dude deserves more recognition
One of the best guitarist in the new generation of music and his technecs are so much fun to listen to, not to mention his voice really goes with the music they're putting out. Manuel Fernandez and Tim Henson are similar in ways but they both are on a completely different level and are extremely good at what they make. Yes Tim Henson has given Manuel a set up but Tim Henson didn't necessarily make him famous, his music did. W take on both guitarists.
This was a brilliant and well thought out video my guy. Tim is def a great guitar player but personally I find manny way more enjoyable to listen to. I hope they both continue to test new sounds and push the boundaries
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Thanks homie! What excites me most about Tim's playing is knowing he's going to attempt something mind-blowing each release but Manuel's the one I enjoy listening to on a regular basis
Great take brother, you’re spot on 🤘🏼do you play?? 🤔
Much appreciated! If I'm not making videos I'm playing. Peep the originals 👀 ua-cam.com/play/PLISw_-zXwnorYz3zlxRLFj4BvJqulrWBX.html
I love his shit. Thanks for posting this video, I think it was needed.
Thanks for watching! Someone had to say it
Al Di Meola is a ture guitarist without all of the Computer generated stuff 8:06
Well said 💯
Pronounce Manuel's first name correctly, kind of disrespectful...
last thing I want is to butcher his name trying to pronounce it in a German accent
@@monfloral Ah yeah, all good, still a dope video. I believe it's pronounced like "Man-ooo-well", not "Manual".
Found Manuel through the whole 'sped up' controversy. Quickly became one of my favourite guitarists
Same! The Clown controversy was crazy and I eventually watched all of his videos to see if he sped up any videos. Now they’re one of my favorite groups
That whole situation brought a lot of hate but it brought just as many fans. Still have no clue how he gets that clean tapping sound when he plays the Deadrose intro. Actually blows my mind
@@monfloral I feel like its more about the guitar, I thought that deadrose was the most impossible thinng to play. I was bored so i started practicing it anyway last week and im getting pretty far, the harmonic tabs can be very clean if u just start slow. And at the pace ur more like throwing your hand instead of tabbing strings. If you focus on that u can prolly do it. Just use tim henson’s archetype and put thw accoustic thingy on
I always liked his style. When people were trying to say he and other guitarists were faking, I knew he was on to something. He's so dope. 🤘🏾
he did admit it in the end, but it doesn't take away from his skill since he's shown he can play live.
@@prasanthselvadurai3450 I actually never heard of him admitting to faking, do you have a source i can look at for that? good on him if thats true. i say that because i've seen them live twice over the past year while they've been touring with polyphia and let me tell you, they are just as good if not BETTER than the videos manu uploads to his instagram. the dude is a fucking monster live and it really is something truly insane to behold in person. so i totally agree with you
@@prasanthselvadurai3450Yeah I just saw them a week ago and they were definitely playing. I'd love to see your source
I thought it was crazy that whole situation was as big as it was. Glad it blew over and people were able to see the actual skill he has
@2bros 1hottub Everyone talking about how good they are live is hyping me up to see them. I figured they were at least decent in person but possibly BETTER than his INSTA?? That's something to see
Got to see Unprocessed open for polyphia a couple weeks go, they kick ass
I also saw them on that tour, can confirm that they were fucking sick
Saw them open as well and they were super good. His band has a lot of potential.
D4rkBlu3 As soon as I have the opportunity to see them, I'm hopping on it
Tim and MGF inspire each other as they are good friends. Great video.....they have some similarities but I could always tell their differences easily.
Sorry to hear about the algorithm....hope this comment helps 🔥
Much appreciated Jeff! They definitely feed off each other but they take the sound in 2 different directions
I feel like people who think Tim and Manuel's styles are identical are people who WANT to think they know and understand music. But I honestly hear just as much of a difference in styles between Manuel and Tim as there is between Tosin and Tim. There are similarities but your ear isn't refined enough if you can't distinguish the styles just by listening to it. I feel like their sounds are as distinguishable as their voices.
THIS
I've always seen manuel as a mix between ichika, pop and flamenco rather than tim at all
Completely agree. Waiting for the day modern guitarists can make music without being compared to Tim
"He's NOT Tim Henson!", and we are so glad he is not, because he is totally different and so good.
FACTS! There's room for both of them but describing Manuel as a knock off Tim is sickening 🤮
i would check their new single thrash, they definitely still incorporate their metal inspirations and also make a bunch of other stuff and thats what i love about these bands like unprocessed and polyphia, they dabble in everything and do it so well
The big three of UA-cam guitarists/bedroom guitarists
1.Tim henson
2. ICHIKA mito
3. Manuel Fernandez
You guys agree?
Me too
Tim = Ichika = Manuel
I have the same opinion.
Yeah dude I fully agree with you here, I’ve honestly never understood anyone that says Manuel is just a wannabe Tim Henson. Like yeah sure some of the techniques they use may be similar but their songs sound sooooo much different, it just doesn’t make sense to me how people try to write him off as a Walmart Tim Henson. As a matter of fact, I’ve noticed that pretty much anyone that uses trap beats or those guitar techniques in their songs, regardless of what they actually sound like, automatically gets compared to polyphia. It really just doesn’t make sense to me why people are so quick to say “this sounds like polyphia” when there’s always very clear differences between what that person sounds like and what polyphia sounds like.
Also great video dude! The editing was great and I really enjoyed watching the entire thing.
@LukeDjents Still trying to understand this myself. Polyphia is a great band but their cult-y fanbase is hurting their image. Fans like that are great for exposure and success but they're an annoyance for others to deal with on the internet. Hopefully as more artists emerge in the space, people will be more accepting of bands/ guitarists that aren't Polyphia. Glad you enjoyed homie!
Manuel's mind is a bit scary to me. The way he just pumps out so much content. If there was a balance between Quality and Quantity i'd say manuel's is tilted towards quantity a bit more but not disregarding his quality at all. A lot of the time when i watch his content i feel like i dont even get to savor the last melody/song before im presented with the next thing.
Manuel >>>>>
I've been listening to Manuel as a solo artist for a few years. Just saw Unprocessed open up for Polyphia live in Cleveland and they KILLED it. My jaw dropped when I saw Manuel walk out on stage, easily top 3 guitarist in my opinion. It seemed like nobody in the crowd knew who they were but everyone seemed to enjoy the show. Im glad to see Manuel get some credit for his talent. Great Video.
Seeing Unprocessed live is going on my bucket list
When i watch Manu Gardner Fernandes pieces, they calming me. On other hand Unprocessed make me (with some exceptions) agitated in wrong way. Probably because i dont like (and dont understand) the hardest types of rock and metal music. Unprocessed is not Manu and three other guys. Lot of theirs songs was born with David John Levy as a main composer. BTW David is one of the greatest bassist of new generation musicians (look for Unprocessed clip taken for Ibanez headless guitars commercial - masterpiece).
There is a lot highly skilled and talented musicians I love to hear daily. Ichika Nito, Seiji Igusa, ayumu, Charles Bertauld, Polyphia, Marcin, El Estepario Siberiano, Unprocessed and little less talented, but hardworking Mina or Sophie Burrell. And I think Manu Fernandes is one of best and most innovative and influential of them (even Tim Henson learn lot of guitar techniques from him). Personally for me, encouraging is they not fight each other. They rather helping centered bunch wide open to theirs fans. Yes, even Tim and Marcin are very kind and loving when they talking about everething but money and career.
The point I'd love to hear more about is that the man just gained audience by being the best attention-whore and the biggest faking beetch out there (and making Jared Dines a total clown) : kinda manipulative but hey, as long as it works ! Even if he was a sh!tty guitarist, you just can't deny the master moves he did to make him and his band rise
I don't think we can compare his riffs to Tim's because more than licks, I think Tim envisions licks like tools to get to a determined aesthetic, just classy and high-tailored ambiance (let's be honest, even his old solos/hooks on Renaissance, Muse, the guest on Liftoff... are not only great, but also fking stylish) and I think Manuel and so much more of the dozen of wannabes don't have that key factor, or at least waaaay below Tim's level.
Really not dissing Manuel here, but Tim's note choice sounds more harmonious and more tailored to me (for a given context) than Manuel's, where to me it sounds a bit more like it is based on one of his chop that he just adds or substracts things (harmonics, strumming...), re-do the same thing but here we just sweep the inversed form for the transition, or maybe tap it, etc...
But then again, I really liked your take on Manuel (and Ichika for the other one that gained fame at the same time) just developping his playstyle to make it original and more accessible over time : it works, it is distinctive, and it doesn't overlaps on Polyphia's territory like it is just the same thing but cheaper and wackier
But yeah, really nice moves on the " guifakist " backlash he got on his debuts, man's gotta be a PR/HR if his guitar career gets to an end some day, because when I see the sponsors and the nice guitars he got from Ibanez since then, damn
I love seeing awesome black dudes into metal. Hopefully that’s a compliment lol
A compliment is how I will take it. A healthy genre is one that reaches outside of a small select group of people so it's safe to say this progressive rock/ metal space is thriving!
@@monfloral awesome man, you got yourself a new subscriber.
Man, truth found here. Especially with the internet being judge-y, sheesh.
Manual isn't bad but just looking at some of his stuff I can play by ear. Tim, with tabs, idk wth is going on playing wise lol.
Manuel is my favourite guitar player now. Of course Tim is also in my favourite list, but Manuel is number one.
Lol you compared Manuel and Tim with windows and apple 🤣
this channel makes me feel so seen as a music fan
This comment brought a smile to my face, thank you!
Actually i am a mgf fan from past 6 years and i can say this guy is still damm underated actually i find him far better then tim hension
Why do all these modern guitarists use that same weak Light tone?
Hey man, new sub here. I have to say, I really love all the modern guitar and just guitar content that you're putting out in general. I've really gotten into polyphia, ichika, unprocessed, etc. in the past few months, and I love to see videos about what's going on, and the future and history of modern guitar, and more! Thanks a lot!
Welcome to the club homie!
“Literal dogshyte” 🤣 I feel you!
Got to see unprocessed and Fernande with polyphia a couple weeks ago. Fantastic show, and they are a very separate sound although in the same genre as polyphia. I am bummed they dropped the screaming from most songs though.
They did bring it out for a few songs in their set though!
title is clickbait, this take super based.
Personal preference IS biased
@@monfloralbased not biased
Honestly as someone who listens to both Tim and Manuel I 100% understand why people think their styles are very similar, but I also think they are very different; also with guitarists like Ichika who gets compared to Tim.
If you're not a guitar player, yeah, the overly flashy, melodic, and technical playing that blend a variety of styles can all just sound similar. (imo what separates them is Tim plays more catchy and poppy hooks / Manuel is much more rhythmic and percussive / Ichika is more erratic than both of them.)
Edit: Last point is it's like how people think all 80s shred guitarists sound the same. I can't blame them, you wouldn't get the nuances in styles if you're not an avid listener or guitar player.
Entirely understandable and it's excusable for those who don't play guitar or aren't familiar with picking out those subtle differences. But why are guitar players doing it too? They should know better 💀
@@monfloral Could just be lack of experience or being new to the style entirely. I've been playing for a little longer than decade, but tbh it wasn't until maybe about 2 years ago or so when it finally clicked how entirely different all of them play. Prior to that if you blindfolded me I probably wouldn't have been able to guess who was who.
And tbh even thought they have their own unique twists on how they play I still think they're very similar. They're not worlds apart from each other in the way if you compared a jazz guitarist to a funk guitarist, so imo even tho it's ignorant to say they all play the same I think it's understandable.
people really like to compare nonstop, when you look at them individually they are really different and unique in their own way. both are incredible players and people need to stop comparing things that don't need to be.
This is a fantastic video
Chon did "that sound" first i think 😁
Great analysis and video man, you got yourself another subscriber!
Much appreciated!
Manuel is talent personified
The hottest of takes
While everyone is busy comparing the two of them, the two of them are probably exchanging playing tips and such with one another to help each other evolve as guitarists and musicians. Quite funny to think about.
Literally!
Another awesome video!! Very informative and great editing!!💜
Thanks so much!!
No ..... he's original
Why are you so underrated
I agree 1000% with u, ive always been a huge tim and polyphia fan, and they r also the reason why i started to learn guitar in first place. But manuel is my biggest influence on my own guitar playing. Even tho they r both progressive style guitarist, manuel still has his own unique style thats is very noticable(also tones, techniques like uve said in the video). And i think ibanez should give this man his own signature model that he deserves
With the tracks he's been dishing out, I'm sure Ibanez will reward him soon
@@monfloral hmm idk man, he doesnt have many followers idt ibanez would do that considering the commercial reason, but he's so underrated!!
Ichika just got his 2nd signature model and i was so pssed that he now has 2 but manuel has nine😡(i still like ichika), but im just so unhappy that manuel hasnt got what he deserves to get
Marcin is gonna get compared too. Might wanna cover him too
Already did :D
Well said!
i agree
I love you deep dives into modern guitarists! Keep it up!
More to come!
Unprocessed gets compared to Polyphia but they're far apart to me. I also think they better songs by not relying on types of shredding. I think that's why i could listen to Polyphia's new album because they had to build their style around vocalists. Also Manuel inspired me to approach precussion with guitars differently and the bassist msde me pick up bass again.
Rarely any of their songs break into shredding and while I'm all for some speedy guitar runs, it's nice that MGF and Unprocessed have shown the melody is what truly makes the track
Unprocessed were my number 1 streamed band last year, as like you said, it’s “replayable”.
Incredibly talented group, and Manuel has such a unique style which has influenced me and pushed me to explore things on guitar I don’t generally hear in popular music, and the influence is less on the side of copying his techniques, and more of coming up with new ways of playing parts instead of only trying one technique.
Got to meet David (unprocessed’s bassist and a great producer) at a show in Toronto last year and he was super nice too.
Couldn't agree more! His playing makes you want to expand and try out new sounds. Based off of a lot of these comments it seems like Tim and Manuel inspire their audiences in different ways also. It's like people who listen to more Polyphia are the ones that play faster and are on the verge of over complicating their riffs while those who enjoy Unprocessed focus more on making stuff that just sounds good rhythmically
Take that with a grain of salt as its just a surface level observation
@@monfloral yeah I agree when looking at it surface level, but I feel like a lot of more “niche” music uses rhythm almost as a key component of the melody, as it’s so ingrained into it, I feel like polyphia leans more into try to creating as full of a sound as possible on one guitar.
Easily one of the most annoying modern players. When he gets too repetitive with the percussive /staccato picking for like half the song ...🤮
Manuel and David are beasts live. Very cool guys. David took a pic with me and shook my hand in the pit while they were packing up during polyphias set.
within the polyphia/unprocessed community no one compares him to tim, he did take inspiration from tim after the collab on real and he even said that himself but he's still a completely different player with a completely different style
I love this video. I always geek out talking about guitar with my dad. I swear I basically had a convo a month or two ago with him where I said everything in this video. Manual is a fucking legend
MGF has a lot of “Swagger” within his play. Tim is a pure technical genius
this is what i've been thinking. people judge and label way too quickly. although manu and tim get compared a lot, there are clear differences in their music and playstyle.
they are both great but i think manuel gardner ferandez style of playing is closer to ichika nito but still very difffernt rather than tim henson. But all three are amazing love all three of there music.
Great editing. If i had to choose between Tim and Manuel individually id choose Manuel, theres just so much feel put on every track
Thanks! I listen to a good bit of both of their music but oftentimes it's that feel in Manuel and Unprocessed's work that draws me back to it. I've been humming the melody to Lullaby for DAYS
Every Polyphia song is a banger
I’m ready for him to drop that “Booty Hole Bandit” EP! I heard that shit was fire
Unprocessed is one of if not the best band wir have in Germany. So great funky and at the same time heavy riffs.
You, Manuel and Tim were the reason I got a guitar... keep making videos like these man I love all y’all’s playing
I don't know why I'm on that list but I genuinely appreciate that! Stick with it and you'll be surprised how far you can go
@@monfloral cause your absolutely nuts man! You probably won’t remember but almost a year ago we had a quick convo on Instagram about your candy paint cover but you haven’t tabbed it yet.. 7 months later into guitar I’m trying to learn it by ear still cause it’s so sick.
@@Swaps2 Thank ya! I gotta work on my tabbing skills but I may consider dropping some tutorial vids until I can get the tabs out
@Theinfobro. Hey homie! If you're still interested, I finally have the website up so you can purchase tabs at monfloralmusic.com
Couldn’t agree more, nice video
Great takes on great takes man, keep it up love the content!!!
Art is supposed to be challenging for the creator and the person experiencing it. Musically this has been a problem since like the 1600s, like damn Vivaldi that composition was absurd, intense, and gave me anxiety and a headache.
@Ron Hall You're speaking! I think there's a time and place for rhythmically challenging music but that "challenge" aspect shouldn't be taken literally. The issue comes into play when artists try to universally apply that concept to their work. Just because you can clash a bunch of sounds in 7/8 doesn't mean your music is "artistic"
I like your videos, you create a really good musical content each time, thanks! Subscribing! :)
Each video gets the same amount of care so thank you! It's time consuming but I can't post it if I wouldn't watch it
I can tell MGF is going a different route than Tim but they’re following the same path. I think they shouldn’t be compaired. They’re both amazing players when they put their minds to it. I enjoy both but prefer polyphia. Manuel’s music is used completely differently for me and I love it cuz I can feel both and not comparing them.
I agree! They both make music that does completely different things
I love this vid bro. I think it’s become super annoying that if you so much as touch a guitar nowadays ur labelled as a Tim Henson clone. I get that he is great, he’s literally one of my heroes, but why can the guitar community not let people take inspiration and push on to form their own sound? That’s how art is made.
My point exactly! Tim is absolutely incredible but everyone who plays a similar style isn't trying to BE him
MGN was never tryna be tim, they have a similar style but he has his own style and playing style, he is his own person. i personally prefer unprocessed’s heavier sound like artificial void, but their new album isnt bad at all
We all knew he wasn't but Polyphia's fans seem to think otherwise
Eye love your videos bruh and your sick at the guitar too. When u put out your album I am buying it. 🤘🏾
I'm beyond grateful for the support. I think you'll definitely enjoy it!
Very well expressed.
wait....they did candy land live.. bruh they never posted that one
They did! It's on Manuel's page. A treat to watch
@@monfloral yo homie you wouldn’t happen to have those still? Cause they aren’t a thing anymore to buy which sucks
This happens for everything though, scientific discoveries throughout history proves this. Nobody remembers the second guy.
@Malevolent This is a whole can of worms by itself. You're not wrong at all. Only thing different in this case is that Manuel could very well be up there but it's like people who REALLY love Polyphia don't want anyone else in the genre to come up. Please correct if I'm wrong, only basing this off of comments and subreddit threads
@@monfloral I dont speak for everyone, but Im very much a polyphia fanboy and ive listened to many of the artists in the genre and loved it all. There are channels with less than a thousand subscribers that io follow and love all their work just as much as when tim posts. I feel like Tim gets more traction because many of the riffs are simple enough to start learning, but to polish it up and get it sounding right takes SOOO MUCH more effort. I rarely ever even try to learn anything by manuel because i know i cant play it just by listening lmao.
Love Manuel. I agree that he has a distinct style, even if the comparisons to Tim and Tosin are obvious. I personally got into Unprocessed from Abandoned and mostly listen to heavier stuff so I don’t mind the harsh vocals and kind of wish he’d incorporate them more often, as they give the band another dimension from the dreamy alt prog ballad.
They still dabble with the heavy vocals on some tracks but definitely not as much. There's a few songs on Unprocessed's Gold album that have a good mix between the clean and heavy vocals
@@monfloral yeah, I mean the softer songs are definitely super cool, don’t get me wrong…but I love bands that are unpredictable and you don’t know when they’re going to suddenly shift into a breakdown in the middle of it lol
Velvet and closer were some of my favorite tracks last year
Velvet completely fell under my radar. Just took a listen and it's a beautiful track! Their music has
R A N G E
@@monfloral I’ve played it a few times around friends and family and they always ask what it’s called. That’s a good way to measure how nice it sounds if you ask me
He’s insanely good. I just can’t handle the whole sped up video stuff. Idk if it’s real or not but I can’t get past it
He isn't speeding his shit up bro.
Dawg I understand that there are two sides to the argument
@Juice Cheese From my knowledge there was only 1 or 2 videos from years ago that people were giving him hell for but his playing isn't sped up
it's so ironic, the guy who rated himself the same as Tim and Scott is talking about Tim again... you will never live down that cringe bro. learn to write music buddy
That one hurt ya I see 😉
I just watched Unprocessed open for Polyphia. As soon as they began playing I knew we were about to witness something Legendary. Unprocessed did not hesitate, and proceeded to blow our collective minds!!!!🤘
4th comment talking about how good Unprocessed is live. FOMO hitting heavy 😩