Bought it. Totally worth it. It’s NOT just a preset. It’s two really great sounding amp captures of a couple of amps that don’t get seen very often, 4 drive/fuzz captures, AND a preset with all of his tones recreated. If you piece those out and were to buy just one thing at a time it’d be about 15 bucks a pop. That’s a no brainer to me. Plus, his stereo amps are the most even stereo image I’ve ever heard with two different amps. The width and clarity and evenness are with it alone. Even if it’s just to learn by reverse engineering it
Rule of the Market: any given thing is worth the price people are willing to pay for it. Glad he is going for it, if he is making happy customers who are happy to pay the price, I think it's great. It's only bad if people buy it and then feel ripped off and are unhappy with the product they were sold.
I am a recent convert to quad, reluctantly moving from the Kemper about 2 months ago. My experience is limited and I did not want to spend a lot of valuable time experimenting, I really miss TJ’s 100 worship patches by the way. I bought the preset to help me serve the worship at church in a more sonically accomplished, professional and effective way- I can’t put a cost on this and although I am responsible for the sonic quality I produce, the quad is a great benefit. You can obviously be anointed without shelling out on kit. I agree with Jonathan’s reasoning - E Edwards is sharing an item that took a long time to curate having spent a very considerable amount on the hardware. The patch is premium quality and I am sure it will stand me in good stead over at least the next twelve months. I have no buyers regret at all
E’s stuff is solid. He plays multiple genres and CAN do anything he wants. I think it’s cool that he’s bothered to share his setups, regardless of the cost. I’ll probably get a QC and buy his stuff.
$100 dollars for a whole rig. Ready to go. Saves you hours of time and you don’t have to do anything but push a button. I say more than a fair deal. He could charge more
Newsflash, even if you buy the tones, you’ll still sound like you ;) If you’re buying it because your getting captures of Amp X and Pedals X, Y, and Z then by all means load up, if you’re purchasing to “sound like guitarist X” you’re going to be sorely disappointed.
So I bought it. Wasn't going to, but I kept listening to his demo video and loved the sounds. I didn't love it at first tbh, it was totally different to how I normally set my tone, and I don't typcically like the amp captures in the QC. I think the amp models with good IR's are better. But after a couple of weeks really getting to know the preset, here's my opinion. They're the *best* amp captures I've heard tried among all the captures I've tried. The drive captures are great. The real value for me came from how he set the wet effects. I'd like to think I've got a pretty good ear for wet effects. But, how he has dialed them in, and how everything works together so smoothy is just amazing. Yeah, $100 is a little steep. I've got other great sounding presets that I've made, and they're killer. But this one is just different and I've enjoyed it a ton.
I am pretty sure that there are thousands of "lazy" church players that are willing to pay that just to get a pro rig without the time effort, kinda plug and play.
To me it is a lot to risk not liking it and then no going back. I can resell a pedal for 100. I can’t return a preset, at least I don’t see a money back guarantee in his offer. So tough to tell if it will work for you from a UA-cam. Love that you guys offer free stuff and has always made me more comfortable to know what I am getting.
The one thing the E Edwards preset has over others is it is fine tuned and field tested a lot live. A lot of people make presets and they require so much time and tweaking to get it to sound great live. Also most people who have been in the QC preset game stopped progressing the presets when the market place didn’t come out. E has been using it pretty much since it’s come out. I personally use my own preset with Tone Junkie captures, and it’s a lot of work to tweak everything just to get “my sound” out of it. Yes it’s not cheap but it’s not insane.
Question: HW mentioned time tapping with delay. On kemper I can set up the bpm which changes the light and the rate it blinks, can you tap in quarter notes, but still have your delay parameters set up to a dotted 8th in the delay module? What would that sound like. (Gonna try this tomrrow myself actually!!)
IKM already put out the $100 packs (ODS Legends and Mesa Reference). ODS Legends is 20 captures and would have a pretty large audience. I've thought about releasing a smaller pack than that at the same price point but the draw is the amp is the best amp Ken Fischer ever built. Renting the amp for a day costs more than most boutique amps do to purchase outright and is in fact a very unique experience related to the sound and feel. It takes something very special to command that price and I'd imagine that the tolerance for it related to owners of a $1800 pedal is going to be higher than for most tones when someone is trying to get "that sound" every week to help replicate the rig. As HW points out, more people are trying to copy that every week than someone trying to be Slash in front of a crowd. Interesting in that ToneX takes a hefty investment in a computer and time to capture advanced captures, where QC doesn't.
Not even the same concept. There’s design, production and engineering behind effects pedals and their distribution. Making a modeling profile with someone else’s tech is not equivalent.
@@Respecttheriff if the preset is that good that you won't buy another 20 amp captures from all over the place that great!! and the preset is really really good indeed !
A good preset is a good preset. I still play old Alex Strabala presets for my Helix even though he hasnt updated them for years and doesn't take advantage of new firmware benefits or the whole 'tone match IR' craze. Also, $100 to me, is different to anyone else. Just like buying a $1000+ guitar seems absurd to some, but 'affordable' to others. I don't own the preset or a QC, but if I did I would be considering it. I've had the Hislop stuff for the Helix and think its great. And these guys are touring the world, working with professional sound engineers, in a huge variety of venues, in a band mix, spending a lot of time working on their tone and setup. Sure, it won't make me sound identical to him, but I get the impression it would be a well set up rig. And sure, its not his full time job making content like this, so if he wants to cash in by charging more for less, I dont have an issue with it.
If you’re on a tight budget, don’t feel pressured to spend $100 on a preset. Remember, it’s your choice, and you don’t have to buy something you can’t afford.
Because of the weirdness of the QC market I don’t blame him at all. If this was the simplicity of selling a Helix patch I bet he wouldn’t go higher than $50. Don’t blame and would check it out if I had a QC. Dudes got a killer tone.
@@thesoozeTJ Hey sooze, one question. Is there a tonal difference in a sparkle jet having the 2 switches instead of 1? I have the more modern silver sparkle and it has 1 tone switch, am I missing a big thing without that 2nd siwtch?
@@David_Perez06 The one switch is for pickup selection, and the original traditional 2nd switch is a 3 position TONE switch instead of a tone control rotary.
@@David_Perez06 Additionally that tone Switch the center position is straight thru it, which to me always had best sound, the lower and higher bring in different resistors. And then the 2 lower knobs are volumes for each pickup, the knob on front bout near pickguard is a master volume on all Gretschs.
Weird example, Slash, Slash just got ramrodded after releasing a half stack for over 10 grand, no "preset" should ever be $100, its laughable. Just got done watching a video about helpless users who cannot program a thing and now we have $100 presets
I sat through this whole thing. So I have opinions despite this not being my genre. 1. You do you. If you want this spend the money if you have then money and want what's offered. 2. Just because you have this "rig" you won't sound like this guy since you are you. 3. I have bought very few non ToneJunkie packs. I have a large investment in Ownhammer IRs. I quit using them. The ToneJunkie ones and the stock ones for my platform fit my needs better these days. However I do not regret buying the IRs. They served me well when I was using them. So again you do you. I won't judge you.
His "Preset " Consists of 2 amps Jmod and Bandmaster, Stomp mode and 8 different scene mode presets that he specifically uses life. if i had a quad cortex - I would buy it, Think about the amount of Money us guitarists spend on Profiles, Captures, Effects looking for the "sound in our head - if his rig tone is what your looking for its worth every penny
but still, a guy like Hislop, still not charging as much! In certain time, you can get Hislop's stuff as low as 5 dollar each. Let's say you buy 5 captures, it is still much much cheaper.
$100 is crazy. No one who buys it is going to sound anything like him. There are many top profile makers who make spot on artist specific profile packs, with anything from 10 to 30 profiles. Priced between $6 and $15. Now you have someone I have never heard of, charging $100 for one profile. I can recommend a good doctor for self delusional.
I think he has every right to charge as much as he wants. That being said, they only thing I think justifies that price is the relative rarity/expense of the JMOD. Personally, I would've priced it a little lower.
$100 is INSANE pricing. Specially considering it’s a worship music preset. It’s insane to be so overpriced. Nothing wrong with charging, but $100 for a preset is insane.
I think at the prosumer level or higher, that $100 is nothing. I bought Archetype Nolly from NDSP. I bought a preset pack at $60 just the other day. Why? Can I spend dozens (if not more) hours dialing it in? YES. Is it worth it when I have someone in the studio recording and they want to lay down a track in 10 seconds and I just have to click 3 times? YES. It's a workflow thing. If a person plays like 2 times a month at their church and not usually Elevation. That person is NOT the target audience. I cannot get mad a price of something if I am not the person the product is marketed towards.
Why wouldn't you want to create your own sound? Even if you try to copy someone's sound your own creativity comes through in the sum of the variations in your settings. 100$ for a preset is a bit absurd to me.
To each his/her own.pay for what you want/need and move on. BUT IMHO, Can't beat the Snooze's Helix song/worship patches. Those patches made me buy a 2nd hand Helix floor.LOLOLOL!!!! HX stomp still on hand.
It sounds like a modern day tactic of the old school i.e. Jim Baker, Jimmy Swaggart, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, name the money grabbing evangelist you prefer... Sounds like E is deliberately targeting the Sunday morning guitarist, who you guys established, and it's well known that many of these guys spend enormous amounts of money to play 4 songs on Sunday morning. It's sad in a way but brilliant in another. As a Christian guitarist I find it absurd though and hope he is putting his investment back in his church ministry.
I dont think thats a fair comparison at all 😂 If you watch E's video, he doesnt try to force the sale in any way. He just walks through the preset and plays some demos. If you don't like it, move on. If you want a well built preset with an insight to how a touring musician would set up his rig, buy it. Those guys you mentioned would have told you you're not going to heaven or reap any rewards if you don't pay into their ministry.
@@SamGrimes93 deception comes in many forms. As I said, brilliant tactic to suck in thousands of dollars. I won't lose sleep about it just not for me. My opinion is for you to hear and pass by as well.
Dollar to preset ratio? So stupid lol 😂 $100 is alright for his actual sound. I prefer coming up with my own sound but hey.. if you can’t afford it. Just shut it and move on 😅
I'm not here to kiss ass at all, these guys not understanding how influential E's work is... makes this a little frustrating to watch. Dude's fingerprint is huge. If I was in his shoes, I probably wouldn't charge that much, but I'd be well aware of the fact that I could. There's at least one Elevation song sung somewhere around the world a couple of times every weekend, and guitar work is hyper-specific in the worship world. It's a problem, he sees a solution.
Bought it. Totally worth it. It’s NOT just a preset. It’s two really great sounding amp captures of a couple of amps that don’t get seen very often, 4 drive/fuzz captures, AND a preset with all of his tones recreated. If you piece those out and were to buy just one thing at a time it’d be about 15 bucks a pop. That’s a no brainer to me. Plus, his stereo amps are the most even stereo image I’ve ever heard with two different amps. The width and clarity and evenness are with it alone. Even if it’s just to learn by reverse engineering it
Rule of the Market: any given thing is worth the price people are willing to pay for it. Glad he is going for it, if he is making happy customers who are happy to pay the price, I think it's great.
It's only bad if people buy it and then feel ripped off and are unhappy with the product they were sold.
I am a recent convert to quad, reluctantly moving from the Kemper about 2 months ago. My experience is limited and I did not want to spend a lot of valuable time experimenting, I really miss TJ’s 100 worship patches by the way. I bought the preset to help me serve the worship at church in a more sonically accomplished, professional and effective way- I can’t put a cost on this and although I am responsible for the sonic quality I produce, the quad is a great benefit. You can obviously be anointed without shelling out on kit.
I agree with Jonathan’s reasoning - E Edwards is sharing an item that took a long time to curate having spent a very considerable amount on the hardware. The patch is premium quality and I am sure it will stand me in good stead over at least the next twelve months. I have no buyers regret at all
E’s stuff is solid. He plays multiple genres and CAN do anything he wants. I think it’s cool that he’s bothered to share his setups, regardless of the cost. I’ll probably get a QC and buy his stuff.
$100 dollars for a whole rig. Ready to go. Saves you hours of time and you don’t have to do anything but push a button. I say more than a fair deal. He could charge more
Newsflash, even if you buy the tones, you’ll still sound like you ;)
If you’re buying it because your getting captures of Amp X and Pedals X, Y, and Z then by all means load up, if you’re purchasing to “sound like guitarist X” you’re going to be sorely disappointed.
So I bought it. Wasn't going to, but I kept listening to his demo video and loved the sounds. I didn't love it at first tbh, it was totally different to how I normally set my tone, and I don't typcically like the amp captures in the QC. I think the amp models with good IR's are better. But after a couple of weeks really getting to know the preset, here's my opinion. They're the *best* amp captures I've heard tried among all the captures I've tried. The drive captures are great. The real value for me came from how he set the wet effects. I'd like to think I've got a pretty good ear for wet effects. But, how he has dialed them in, and how everything works together so smoothy is just amazing.
Yeah, $100 is a little steep. I've got other great sounding presets that I've made, and they're killer. But this one is just different and I've enjoyed it a ton.
I am pretty sure that there are thousands of "lazy" church players that are willing to pay that just to get a pro rig without the time effort, kinda plug and play.
To me it is a lot to risk not liking it and then no going back. I can resell a pedal for 100. I can’t return a preset, at least I don’t see a money back guarantee in his offer. So tough to tell if it will work for you from a UA-cam. Love that you guys offer free stuff and has always made me more comfortable to know what I am getting.
The one thing the E Edwards preset has over others is it is fine tuned and field tested a lot live. A lot of people make presets and they require so much time and tweaking to get it to sound great live. Also most people who have been in the QC preset game stopped progressing the presets when the market place didn’t come out. E has been using it pretty much since it’s come out. I personally use my own preset with Tone Junkie captures, and it’s a lot of work to tweak everything just to get “my sound” out of it. Yes it’s not cheap but it’s not insane.
Question: HW mentioned time tapping with delay. On kemper I can set up the bpm which changes the light and the rate it blinks, can you tap in quarter notes, but still have your delay parameters set up to a dotted 8th in the delay module? What would that sound like. (Gonna try this tomrrow myself actually!!)
Yes, if you have dotted eighths as the subdivision, you can tap in quarter notes and it will play dotted eighth repeats.
IKM already put out the $100 packs (ODS Legends and Mesa Reference). ODS Legends is 20 captures and would have a pretty large audience. I've thought about releasing a smaller pack than that at the same price point but the draw is the amp is the best amp Ken Fischer ever built. Renting the amp for a day costs more than most boutique amps do to purchase outright and is in fact a very unique experience related to the sound and feel. It takes something very special to command that price and I'd imagine that the tolerance for it related to owners of a $1800 pedal is going to be higher than for most tones when someone is trying to get "that sound" every week to help replicate the rig. As HW points out, more people are trying to copy that every week than someone trying to be Slash in front of a crowd. Interesting in that ToneX takes a hefty investment in a computer and time to capture advanced captures, where QC doesn't.
100 dollars to sound like him, who also uses hxstomp on his pedalboard??? I don't think it's necessary to spend that money for an all in one preset
if it was a $100 pedal, this wouldn’t even be a conversation.
Exactly
Not even the same concept. There’s design, production and engineering behind effects pedals and their distribution. Making a modeling profile with someone else’s tech is not equivalent.
@@Respecttheriff if the preset is that good that you won't buy another 20 amp captures from all over the place that great!! and the preset is really really good indeed !
THIS
You can resell a pedal if you don’t like it. This is a stupid comparison.
A good preset is a good preset. I still play old Alex Strabala presets for my Helix even though he hasnt updated them for years and doesn't take advantage of new firmware benefits or the whole 'tone match IR' craze.
Also, $100 to me, is different to anyone else. Just like buying a $1000+ guitar seems absurd to some, but 'affordable' to others.
I don't own the preset or a QC, but if I did I would be considering it. I've had the Hislop stuff for the Helix and think its great. And these guys are touring the world, working with professional sound engineers, in a huge variety of venues, in a band mix, spending a lot of time working on their tone and setup.
Sure, it won't make me sound identical to him, but I get the impression it would be a well set up rig. And sure, its not his full time job making content like this, so if he wants to cash in by charging more for less, I dont have an issue with it.
If you’re on a tight budget, don’t feel pressured to spend $100 on a preset. Remember, it’s your choice, and you don’t have to buy something you can’t afford.
Because of the weirdness of the QC market I don’t blame him at all. If this was the simplicity of selling a Helix patch I bet he wouldn’t go higher than $50. Don’t blame and would check it out if I had a QC. Dudes got a killer tone.
Hey SooZe did you get to play the Gretsch Gold/Black Falcon at Worship Tutorials??
I played the gold Gretsch. So good!
@@thesoozeTJ Hey sooze, one question. Is there a tonal difference in a sparkle jet having the 2 switches instead of 1? I have the more modern silver sparkle and it has 1 tone switch, am I missing a big thing without that 2nd siwtch?
@@David_Perez06 The one switch is for pickup selection, and the original traditional 2nd switch is a 3 position TONE switch instead of a tone control rotary.
@@ksharpe10 Oh ok, thank you very much for the info
@@David_Perez06 Additionally that tone Switch the center position is straight thru it, which to me always had best sound, the lower and higher bring in different resistors. And then the 2 lower knobs are volumes for each pickup, the knob on front bout near pickguard is a master volume on all Gretschs.
Willie Nelson pack 😂
Introducing the To Each Their Own pack.
Weird example, Slash, Slash just got ramrodded after releasing a half stack for over 10 grand, no "preset" should ever be $100, its laughable. Just got done watching a video about helpless users who cannot program a thing and now we have $100 presets
I sat through this whole thing. So I have opinions despite this not being my genre. 1. You do you. If you want this spend the money if you have then money and want what's offered. 2. Just because you have this "rig" you won't sound like this guy since you are you. 3. I have bought very few non ToneJunkie packs. I have a large investment in Ownhammer IRs. I quit using them. The ToneJunkie ones and the stock ones for my platform fit my needs better these days. However I do not regret buying the IRs. They served me well when I was using them. So again you do you. I won't judge you.
$100 for the QC vs $30 for the Valeton GP-100…What’s worse?
His "Preset " Consists of 2 amps Jmod and Bandmaster, Stomp mode and 8 different scene mode presets that he specifically uses life. if i had a quad cortex - I would buy it, Think about the amount of Money us guitarists spend on Profiles, Captures, Effects looking for the "sound in our head - if his rig tone is what your looking for its worth every penny
This comes with amp and pedal captures as well. Just FYI. its not like a single preset for 100 dollars.
but still, a guy like Hislop, still not charging as much! In certain time, you can get Hislop's stuff as low as 5 dollar each. Let's say you buy 5 captures, it is still much much cheaper.
So one preset 100 or all of the preset for 100?
$100 is crazy. No one who buys it is going to sound anything like him.
There are many top profile makers who make spot on artist specific profile packs, with anything from 10 to 30 profiles. Priced between $6 and $15.
Now you have someone I have never heard of, charging $100 for one profile. I can recommend a good doctor for self delusional.
Agreed
I think he has every right to charge as much as he wants. That being said, they only thing I think justifies that price is the relative rarity/expense of the JMOD. Personally, I would've priced it a little lower.
$100 is INSANE pricing. Specially considering it’s a worship music preset. It’s insane to be so overpriced. Nothing wrong with charging, but $100 for a preset is insane.
If Dave mustaine presents was on store I'd pay for it
To be fair… two boutique amps, 3 boutique drive pedals. $100 is a steal
I think at the prosumer level or higher, that $100 is nothing. I bought Archetype Nolly from NDSP. I bought a preset pack at $60 just the other day. Why? Can I spend dozens (if not more) hours dialing it in? YES. Is it worth it when I have someone in the studio recording and they want to lay down a track in 10 seconds and I just have to click 3 times? YES. It's a workflow thing. If a person plays like 2 times a month at their church and not usually Elevation. That person is NOT the target audience. I cannot get mad a price of something if I am not the person the product is marketed towards.
Always buy fireworks from the guy with the eyepatch and the three missing fingers 😉
Doing the math looking at the amount of people he has friended on the cloud E has made close to 20k on this preset lol. Absurd.
I’ve spent over $100 just to grab IR’s from you and others so I can’t say much lol.
Those are over $100 unless it’s Black Friday.
I watched this whole video and not even a demo?
HA - a demo of E's preset?
Why wouldn't you want to create your own sound? Even if you try to copy someone's sound your own creativity comes through in the sum of the variations in your settings. 100$ for a preset is a bit absurd to me.
Cicadas.
To each his/her own.pay for what you want/need and move on. BUT IMHO, Can't beat the Snooze's Helix song/worship patches. Those patches made me buy a 2nd hand Helix floor.LOLOLOL!!!! HX stomp still on hand.
Glad you dig em!
It sounds like a modern day tactic of the old school i.e. Jim Baker, Jimmy Swaggart, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, name the money grabbing evangelist you prefer... Sounds like E is deliberately targeting the Sunday morning guitarist, who you guys established, and it's well known that many of these guys spend enormous amounts of money to play 4 songs on Sunday morning. It's sad in a way but brilliant in another. As a Christian guitarist I find it absurd though and hope he is putting his investment back in his church ministry.
I dont think thats a fair comparison at all 😂 If you watch E's video, he doesnt try to force the sale in any way. He just walks through the preset and plays some demos.
If you don't like it, move on. If you want a well built preset with an insight to how a touring musician would set up his rig, buy it.
Those guys you mentioned would have told you you're not going to heaven or reap any rewards if you don't pay into their ministry.
@@SamGrimes93 deception comes in many forms. As I said, brilliant tactic to suck in thousands of dollars. I won't lose sleep about it just not for me. My opinion is for you to hear and pass by as well.
@@SamGrimes93 Deception comes via many faces. I will pass and move on, and my opinion still feels valid. It's really to each his own.
... if you cant afford it. it is what is it.
Dollar to preset ratio?
So stupid lol 😂
$100 is alright for his actual sound. I prefer coming up with my own sound but hey.. if you can’t afford it. Just shut it and move on 😅
I'm not here to kiss ass at all, these guys not understanding how influential E's work is... makes this a little frustrating to watch. Dude's fingerprint is huge. If I was in his shoes, I probably wouldn't charge that much, but I'd be well aware of the fact that I could. There's at least one Elevation song sung somewhere around the world a couple of times every weekend, and guitar work is hyper-specific in the worship world. It's a problem, he sees a solution.
I mean, I think I compared him to slash… that’s saying he is pretty influential.
@@ToneJunkieTV I was referring to the other two gentlemen. I’m sorry, I don’t know their names. Definitely felt like you did him justice.
Who''s 'E' lol? Every worship tone sounds like every other worship tone these days. It's the most boring thing ever.