Harmony Through Domination [MTG JUND Color Philosophy MTG Colors Explained]

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  • With the Passion to uphold its Savage way of life, MTG COLOR Philosophy of JUND is one of domination and brutality within the color pie. Within the Shards of Magic: the Gathering there is no other Shard that lives purely on its Aggressive nature. This Color Philosophy is the rare case though that does end in a sort of Harmony through its use of Domination similar to the food chain here on earth. JUND us truly a fascinating Color Combination and its MTG Philosophy is no less so. So sit down get comfortable and join me as we talk JUND the color Philosophy of Harmony through Domination.
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  • @roguepsykerhaaker4813
    @roguepsykerhaaker4813 3 роки тому +139

    Jund: I want to do something
    Every other colour: Why?
    Jund: *incoherant screaming and smashing

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  3 роки тому +30

      I laughed to hard at that.

    • @roguepsykerhaaker4813
      @roguepsykerhaaker4813 3 роки тому +3

      @@DiceTry I'm glad

    • @rileysheehan943
      @rileysheehan943 3 роки тому +8

      Jund just wanted to scream and smash, it didn't want to answer the question

  • @coopertolbertsmith6067
    @coopertolbertsmith6067 3 роки тому +41

    To be honest, out of all the shards, jund was probably the one I understood the least. I'm glad that we got this video!

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  3 роки тому +9

      Honestly me too. Until I had to break it down. It's interesting that when you dissect it it's actually rather simple.

    • @gunnellagann
      @gunnellagann 3 роки тому +5

      Really? Not having played through any tri-colored set Jund was the only one i really understood. Bant was the least intuitive for me

  • @GacLosen6556
    @GacLosen6556 3 роки тому +122

    There's a few things you forgot to mention, in my opinion. Yes, Jund is a place filled with strife and domination, but you're forgetting that it is the most free of all the shards.
    The absence of white and blue Mana means the absence of control and laws. Everyone and everything on Jund acts not just on instinct and emotions, but also their will. There is no one to tell them not to act on their will, or do whatever petty law states should happen. Yes, it's a world of anarchy and chaos, but those are the cost of freedom in its purest form.
    I also disagree with the notion that Jund lacks empathy for others. Green Mana is all about interdependence and Red Mana has every emotion under the sun, not just anger, but love, passion and loyalty. While Black Mana might not embrace these ideals, it acts on its will and its own self-interest to achieve its goals, which means looking out for others if they're of benefit to you, regardless of why or how they fulfill that role. There is empathy and love in Jund, it's just focused in a more tribal and individualistic way. Organized non-animal life on Jund reflects this. Tribes of goblins, humans and viashino make up the majority of the life on Jund that can show these emotions, and often do so without restrictions or restraint. In my view, there's no pretense when it comes to empathy on Jund, no filter of laws or forced morality. If you can get someone or your group on Jund to love you, they'll do so with every breath, and will go to any length to prove it.
    You mentioned in the Esper video that Esper spits on the notion of emotions in favor of rational thought and the importance of learning more. Jund spits on laws and rational thought in favor of valuing one's own emotions in their purest form and living one's life to the fullest. Jund is free, Jund embraces emotions, Jund would sooner be devoured than be controlled. That's what matters here.

    • @alfredosaint-jean9660
      @alfredosaint-jean9660 3 роки тому +12

      Magic is about fighting, that is why Jund is depicted as vicious, but Jund can also be about collaboration.
      Where the trade enters the bullets do not enter.

  • @FoxyDean
    @FoxyDean 2 роки тому +26

    An interesting and savage color combination...or is it?!
    You know me, I like trying to find unorthodox ways to interpret color combinations, so let's try and look at Jund's more cerebral and civilized side.
    First of all, we have three colors that all have a decent history of scholarship in their own right. Monored not as much as the others, but Red IS an important part of creative thinking, as we've seen. Black and Green though. Those two almost match Blue in terms of knowledge seeking! The big difference being that Blue wants knowledge for the sake of knowledge, while Black and Green tend to be a bit more practical in their applications.
    Black seeks knowledge to advance itself. In game this is mostly forbidden magical knowledge and the like, but a more real life application would probably be things like PoliSci, persuasive writing/speaking (ala Strixhaven), or military strategy (just one more way Black and White are more alike than they may like to admit).
    Green, on the other hand, wants to know it's place in the world, and part of that is knowing how the world operates. It also has strong connections with various fey and eldritch creatures in Magic. Real life, it's the sort of color to be interested in history (although not archeology. Living cultures only, please!) anthropology, sociology and most of the "soft" sciences ( a trait it shares with White), although it ventures into the harder sciences in the less theoretical fields: biology, geology, chemistry and the like.
    And all three colors have a very strong overlap into one field: Red's emotional knowledge and honesty, Green's desire to foster harmony and understand how we're all connected, and Blacks need to understand how to get ahead all lead Psychology as, perhaps, the most Jund field of scholorship!
    So, while the sterotype for Jund may be a ravening beast, it could just as easily be a therapist who helps you work out your emotions (Red) so you can be your authentic self (Green) and find personal happiness (Black). Or an anthropologist who studies various cultures and tries to preserve their traditions for posterity (Green) out of the belief that these traditions are beautiful (Red) and a strong dislike of an increasingly conformist and mono-cultured world (Black).

    • @matthewsnyder2475
      @matthewsnyder2475 Місяць тому +2

      A fascinating take, I'm always looking for atypical ways to veiw the colors, (especially finding more positive veiws in black) thank you.

  • @JuniperHatesTwitterlikeHandles
    @JuniperHatesTwitterlikeHandles 3 роки тому +96

    I think it's a mistake to label blue as "thought" and red and green as "lack of thought". It's much better in my opinion to label them as reason vs. intuition. Red and green are the primary colors of wisdom, containing the most druids and shamans, and containing many mentor figures beyond that (as well as white, but for different reasons). Jund is undeniably an impulsive color combination, and is prone to acting without having a distinct, well-reasoned, reason why, and it's a color combination that you will find a lot of cruelty in, but red and black know how people work (within a range of error), and green knows how the world works (or at least claims to). I don't think it would be surprising to find very wise and worldly thinkers among the chaos and cruelty of Jund.

    • @SantanaBanana47
      @SantanaBanana47 7 місяців тому +1

      Indeed

    • @gozol9646
      @gozol9646 3 місяці тому

      That's what he says in the video.

    • @thezerowulf2046
      @thezerowulf2046 3 місяці тому

      This world is cruel, but beautiful

    • @rysonperry8069
      @rysonperry8069 Місяць тому +2

      Personally, I tend to think somewhat among the same lines. So does the creator of this video to a lesser extent. I tend to view the "Jund-ian World-view" as more of a combination of 2 philosophies I call the "Practical-survivalist" and "Intelligent Predator" with a strong dash of enforced darwinism for extra flavor.
      Jund has empathy and can value intelligence, it just doesn't go out of its way to broadcast for the whole world to see. It shows it discretely
      A group of dragons can happen.

  • @ZeroStako
    @ZeroStako Рік тому +25

    As many have expressed before me, I too feel like this is a very animalistic and raw view on Jund. In my opinion, the Red in Jund specifically represents a connection through empathy, based on intuition or wisdom, when Green enters the scene. Unlike with White, where the goal is to establish some form of Order, with Jund, the goal is to establish a place in which you and others may grow, heal and overcome. I believe that in Jund, Black speaks most of motivation. In my view, Jund is aimed at helping others, but because that helps it in some way as well. That is not to say that Jund is neither compassionate nor empathetic -- that is to say that it sees and plans unlike White and Blue, but like Black and Green. In other words, I'd say it like this: through a connection with others and intuitive wisdom, Jund does what is required, so it may lead and conquer; natural born leaders that realize their self-centreness, have the boldness to request its realization, due to which they get the satisfaction, which in turn allows them to utilize their empathy to help others. In this shard, the colours work together to form a cycle: each colour fuels the next. Breaking that cycle is Jund's weakness.

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  Рік тому +5

      This is a great analysis thanks for sharing. As time as has gone I've been wanting to give the shards and wedges a second look. Perhaps later this year

    • @ZeroStako
      @ZeroStako Рік тому

      ​@@DiceTry Looking forward to it for sure!

  • @KarnodAldhorn
    @KarnodAldhorn 3 роки тому +3

    Jund: A combination of Ecos, Punks and Goths.

  • @ethanbest9110
    @ethanbest9110 3 роки тому +9

    I really enjoy these videos as well, I feel like there isn't a whole lot of accessible discussion with tricolor combinations and that these videos are filling a much needed niche.
    So I think that Jund is the classic idea of State of Nature Man: cruel, brutish and short-lived. The chaotic wildness that is used to justify the sacrifice of freedoms for peace and safety (and then you get the Azorius). I think the counter example, and the counter-argument, is that it's pretty clear that humanity, like many other creatures, have always been pack animals. If you focus Jund in Green you have an interesting Wolf Pack mentality, almost like a weird Mirror-verse Abzan. You get communities that form out of mutual need where the strong lead but everyone has their place, and if you betray that community or can't contribute to it you no longer have its protection and may have its wrath. Empathy is possible here, but is paired with a ruthless and relentless drive to accomplish their goals. I think a great example of this would be the Fremen in Dune, a culture of desert-dwellers who have learned to survive by living as a part of their world, by their own cunning and by ensuring that the strongest and most-capable lead through trial by combat. The are stripped of their water so the living may survive. Theirs is a harsh and cruel existence, one where the individual sacrifices for the collective and that sacrifice must be repaid by the collective. It doesn't have White's structures but it does have community.

  • @clarknes3111
    @clarknes3111 3 роки тому +6

    This is a super interesting perspective of Jund. Really explains the Shard itself and the colors that make it up.

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  3 роки тому +3

      Thanks. It was a challenge to make, cause as I've said there just isn't a lot of examples compared to single and dual colors but I think the series is coming along nicely

  • @laszlokaszas1003
    @laszlokaszas1003 3 роки тому +23

    I think even in Jund can be civilization.
    Lets take red-green who makes small group wich others and add black desire to rise in power.
    We get 2-3 small tribes ruled over by a ruthless warlord.

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  3 роки тому +8

      For sure yeah I think it's enevitable for there to be at least groupings of tribes just never a true civilization

  • @gerdderd8037
    @gerdderd8037 3 роки тому +7

    Really happy this is out. Love these videos

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  3 роки тому +4

      Hey thanks. This has turned into on of my favorite series so far too. I'm excited to move forward

  • @tomboychan5123
    @tomboychan5123 2 роки тому +3

    Absolutely brutal. No compassion or morality. Only power. I love it.

    • @dungeonlessdm6914
      @dungeonlessdm6914 Рік тому +1

      Jund is like Roko's Basilisk. Anyone who doesn't help it, is food for the machine; another meal in it's bloated belly. It's self aware and knows what it is and knows it is superior because of it's strength of will, and it's acceptance of the fact that it is a monster. A snake does not question its place in the world, nor why it waits in the grass for his 5th deer this month; it just does because it's belly is growling and it wants to be a bigger and fuller snake than it was yesterday

  • @KarnodAldhorn
    @KarnodAldhorn 3 роки тому +4

    The funny thing is: Red is full of reptiles, yet mammals act more like red would. Reptiles are very much blue in their need to heat up before doing anything. Red has, like animals, the heat within itself.

  • @thethrongler3070
    @thethrongler3070 3 місяці тому

    Jund is essentially just the Beastmen from Warhammer Fantasy and Age of Sigmar. Rare instinct and chaos given form. Very nice.

  • @philiplerch727
    @philiplerch727 3 роки тому +1

    I’m really digging these philosophies. Just saw them on my feed and wow I am not disappointed. Thank you so much for your hard work in putting these together. I’m looking forward to binge watching your videos!

  • @czairkolmoslink5952
    @czairkolmoslink5952 2 роки тому +1

    I love this, I also see Jund as a relentless color. Never stopping always attacking.
    Modern Jund always feels like this. As it always needs to adapt to it’s surrounding. But keep the pressure on the opponent.

  • @knightsotl796
    @knightsotl796 3 роки тому +3

    In my opinion one of the best examples of this philosophy might be found in Apollyon from For Honor

  • @federicoxcc4966
    @federicoxcc4966 Місяць тому +1

    Jund: I don't care how small the room is, I cast FIREBALL

  • @The_Loreseeker
    @The_Loreseeker 3 роки тому +2

    Finally had a chance to sit down and watch this. Excellent video, as always!

  • @rileysheehan943
    @rileysheehan943 3 роки тому +4

    I think Pandora from the borderlands series is a great example of a Jund setting outside of Jund itself if that helps anyone put it into perspective

    • @samuelpecheur
      @samuelpecheur 2 роки тому +2

      That's a good exemple. Borderlands symbol (the Vault) is most likely a reference to the anarchy symbol. And that's why Handsome Jack is the villain , because he wants to turn Pandora into a dictatorship full of robots. He's an Azorius antagonist. White and Blue are Jund's enemy colors.

  • @pablolasagamota6215
    @pablolasagamota6215 3 роки тому +5

    I can't wait for this series to be completed 😍😍

  • @NastyPower
    @NastyPower 3 роки тому +2

    The ruthless fight for freedom by any means

  • @c.d.dailey8013
    @c.d.dailey8013 3 роки тому +1

    Wow. I am really enjoying watching the color pie videos. I am going through the ones that I think is closest to red. With this I gain a whole new understanding for how Jund works. Red is an aggressive and impulsive color. The one trait that really carries over is freedom. Then there is Rakdos. It has more of this freedom of red. Black is added. It ihas freedom to do what it wants without worrying about morality. Jund adds in green . So this freedom becomes primal and preditory. Freedom is discussed in this video. It really clarifies things for me. I already went over the green videos. So I build up on the knowlage from there. I have already watched the videos for Gruul, Golgari and Rakdos. Together they give a good view of what Jund is like. I get so excited watching the videos this way. The next ones for me to watch are Izzit and Jeskai. They are two colors that are so interesting and so relatable for me. I am going to go nuts in the comment section. Green and Black are two opposing colors. Green is the color of life. Black is the color of death. Alternatively green can be like the nurturing food of prey and black can be the ruthless hunger of predator. Red is a color that can bridge the gap. Red is the most free and dynamic color. It keeps the cyles of nature turning. There is the cycle of life and death. There is the cycle of predater and prey in the food chain. It all moves in red. The autenthicity of self through savage expression is most like Gruul. Gruul is the mix of green and red. It is very savage and barbaric. It sticks to primal nature. There is autenthicity. There is black added. This makes Gruul more ruthless. It is more preditory and selfish.The chaos of thought and confidence of action is most like Rackdos. Rakdos is the red and black mix. It is the most chaotic. So its mind goes all over the place. The green is added. This gives wight to actions. It brings confidance. The Harmony through domination is most like Golgari. Golgari has green and black. Without red, Golgari has the most structure of the three pairs. There is some sence of harmony through its mastery of the cycles of life. Red adds a whole new power. One makes use of this mastery aggressivly. So there is dominance. Overall Jund can be a mix of the freedom of Rakdos, the savegry of Gruul and the preditory ruthlesness of Golgari. I did sum that up neatly. I wonder If I can sum up the last shard I watched as neatly. Naya was this last shard. Naya has the accepting harmony of Selesnya, the primal nature of Gruul and the zeal of Boros. I think that sums things reasonably well.

  • @dracmanmage2864
    @dracmanmage2864 3 роки тому +4

    Just found out about this channel, very good content , keep it up dude.

  • @Ashen-Crow
    @Ashen-Crow 3 роки тому +1

    This one is amazing! Maybe your best yet

  • @Cynthia949
    @Cynthia949 2 роки тому +1

    If there is a Secret Lair based on Game of Thrones, these would be the colors for the Targaryen.
    Black, Visenya, the warrior wife. Right head of the dragon.
    Green, Rhaenys, the cultural wife. Left head of the dragon.
    And red, Aegon, the central head of the dragon.

  • @Belgarion9989
    @Belgarion9989 3 роки тому +2

    It will be interesting to see how the philosophy changes when you replace black with white.

  • @revanreborn7626
    @revanreborn7626 3 роки тому +3

    Naya and Jund are definitely my favorite shards(I’m usually a Mono Red Player and any deck I make supplements red😂). I gotta thank you for making these videos man, these are cool asf and are giving me hella concepts to work with for this DnD MTG set I’m working on. Anyway, thanks again and keep up the good work, brotha.

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the kind words in honestly just happy people are enjoying this series so much

    • @maxpower7113
      @maxpower7113 3 роки тому +2

      Also working on a DnD MTG homebrew that takes away the alignment system in favor of color alignment. So if you are let's say Jund aligned, you would act upon indivualism and freedom rather than stealing=evil. You might fight for a village oppressed by the system but not one oppressed by a warlord.

  • @DudiTheGreat
    @DudiTheGreat 3 роки тому +9

    Really, Jund is the only shard I would ever think of living in. Its dangerous and wild, but more importantly, it is free. Liberty incarnate.

  • @KennyViTran
    @KennyViTran 3 роки тому +1

    Loving these. Can't wait till you get to the wedges. Need sultai explained cause it really just doesn't make sense. Also just want more content on the wedges👌🏼

  • @HessianHunter
    @HessianHunter 3 роки тому +5

    4:00 Small nitpick, but I don't think empathy is inherently White. White cares about the good of the whole group above all else, but that can easily be in more of a militant/pragmatic way than a caring one. If empathy is understanding other people's emotions and life situations, I think Blue is actually the color capable of the deepest empathy, followed by White or Green.

    • @GacLosen6556
      @GacLosen6556 3 роки тому +2

      I disagree. Blue doesn't care about emotions as much as Red does, and Blue will gladly get rid of whatever it deems inefficient to its pursuit of omniscience. Red, on the other hand, will fight tooth and nail for the people it cares about because Red is the color of unbound emotions. Look at the card Cathartic Reunion from the Ikoria block as an example. The flavor text talks about a man who lost everything but it doesn't matter because he saved his dino friend (which is also an accurate representation of how the card itself works). That's Red's empathy in action. Blue doesn't have or care about empathy in that regard. But yes, White and Green would have the most amount of empathy after Red.

    • @HessianHunter
      @HessianHunter 3 роки тому +1

      @@GacLosen6556 I think you're defining empathy as "caring about other people" while I'm defining it as "understanding how another person feels".
      I also think you're being a bit extreme in your interpretation of the philosophies. Blue and White probably care the least about emotion, being opposite from Red, but that doesn't mean that Blue and White mages don't feel emotions at all. Even if a Blue mage isn't guided by their emotions and wants to overcome them, they can still understand how another person's emotions would be effected by a given situation, and imo are probably better suited to that task than a White or Red mage.

    • @GacLosen6556
      @GacLosen6556 3 роки тому

      @@HessianHunter I think our main issue here is as you said, there are multiple definitions of empathy. There is affective empathy, which is what I'm describing, and cognitive empathy, which is what you're describing. However, there is a huge difference between them.
      Blue and white mages may be able to understand why someone feels the way they do, but their philosophies would ultimately say that their individual emotions don't matter in the face of the bigger picture. I don't think I'm being all that extreme when I say this, especially when taken in the context of the game.
      Blue and white mages have emotions for sure. They have their own emotions and ways of feeling their philosophies. They can look at the emotions of another and understand, but then proceed to shut down those emotions. Blue and white mages see emotions as either a weakness or a detriment to their philosophies, because White mages care more about the whole than the individual, and Blue mages keep their emotions under strict control to maintain its sense of order and logic in pursuit of its ideal. In short, it's "I may understand how and why you feel that way, but I ultimately don't care." That's cognitive empathy in action, and by itself, cognitive empathy is no different than cold logic.
      Whereas Red mages believe unrestrained emotions and the freedom that comes with them is something beautiful that everyone should be allowed to experience, including itself. Red sees the emotions of others and sees beauty. They might not do much thinking about them, but they don't need to, because what matters is how they feel. If Red mages see someone or something they love hurting, then they will do what they can to put a smile on that person's face or make a situation better. That's affective empathy, which is what people do for each other when guided by their hearts rather than their heads.
      And before we keep going, please keep in mind that I am a very biased person. I identify strongly with Red's philosophy and can't stand White and Blue's philosophies (especially the latter).

  • @Jbcblack
    @Jbcblack 3 роки тому +4

    Hypeee

  • @DiceTry
    @DiceTry  3 роки тому +23

    Is Jund's view of the world our true nature or are they far off is humanity not meant to be so cruel?

    • @coopertolbertsmith6067
      @coopertolbertsmith6067 3 роки тому +17

      When wizards did an article on the abzan color philosophy, the structure was set up as an interview between the three colors white,green and black. In it, black makes a comment to green about survival of the fittest, to which green retorts "
      And all you can see is the predator/prey dynamic. There are just as many examples of animals who live together in harmony. There are even those who interact positively with another". Jund seems to lean into a philosophy that the truest you can be is selfish in nature, but I'd take what green said as proof that's not universally true.

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  3 роки тому +11

      I agree. I think it's blacks influence that sees the world as a dog eat dog world. While green can agree with that green alone states that we can all live together in peace. black has a tendency to create selfish paranoia in whatever combination it's in

    • @Powershade117
      @Powershade117 3 роки тому +5

      I think this is a question of nature vs nurture, as well as our flexible place in the food chain. Humans who grow up in the cruel wilds of the world and that see other animals as nothing more than food fall into Jund's territory. However, what about those humans who would live in fear of the predators around them? Humans that accept their place as prey? That to me almost seems more in line with the colors of Naya, but that's a video for another time.

    • @Simpson17866
      @Simpson17866 3 роки тому +5

      @@coopertolbertsmith6067 "When wizards did an article on the abzan color philosophy, the structure was set up as an interview between the three colors white, green and black."
      I didn't actually like those articles :(
      Abzan is its own ideology that combines the ideologies of Green, White, and Black, but I thought those interview-style articles focused too much on the individual pieces, not on how they fit together into a cohesive whole.

    • @coopertolbertsmith6067
      @coopertolbertsmith6067 3 роки тому +4

      @@Simpson17866 I get what you mean, but I think that was part of the point of the interview structure. What I think wizards was trying to do was show more how the philosophy is formed rather than the complexities born from that combination. By basically saying "here are the three in question, now what's the key word or idea that all three can get behind" they set up the how and why for each wedge, though yeah, it would also be nice to hear about each one as a full philosophy. I'll be waiting for those after dice is done with the shards😄.

  • @griffmccoy5607
    @griffmccoy5607 2 роки тому +4

    I think if you see many interviews of successful people, many of them have a "Jund" aspect to them, regardless of their personality type. (Watch interviews with Kanye especially).
    Put in one phrase - "they merge with the world/work." Like a pencil feels like an extension of your hand, the world feels like an extension of their being. Rather than just sitting "in awe" of the unity like hippies (W/G), they retain their relentless drive to act on the world (R/G/B).
    Jund doesn't mean stupid, per se. It just means you only learn what's necessary in your relentless clawing up the food chain. You may in fact learn a ton very quickly as you plow through the work. But it's more likely to be mountains of little details and tricks. Not necessarily theories that look down on things from high.

  • @Spicyboi7667
    @Spicyboi7667 9 місяців тому +1

    Thanks!

  • @makeitmeta4039
    @makeitmeta4039 3 роки тому +8

    Dude I love all your Philosophy videos. I remember trying to imagine how life work's on these colors primisys. Only to be disappointed when all the available content only considered the duality of the color philosophies. I believe you're actually the first to consider tricolor philosophies that I'm aware of. I appreciate you bringing life to these worlds (/plains) that otherwise would not get the attention it deserves.
    Also if possible I would love to see my favorite next "bant" but if not it's cool. Ima watch ether way😄

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  3 роки тому +4

      Yeah I honestly feel that there just isn't enough color philosophy content out there and I'm just happy to fill that gap

    • @Simpson17866
      @Simpson17866 3 роки тому +1

      There's a Tumblr author "Loreley Writes" who came up with some pretty good articles on each combination :) and somebody on Reddit collected an archive here:
      old.reddit.com/r/colorpie/comments/db3yw0/sarpadianloreleywrites_color_analysis_updated/

  • @OddOccultist
    @OddOccultist 2 роки тому +1

    this explains the Hive from Destiny quite eloquently.

  • @snowboundwhale6860
    @snowboundwhale6860 3 роки тому +1

    "Head empty, stomach full" the colour

  • @7swordquanta459
    @7swordquanta459 2 роки тому +1

    In case of outside MTG applications, the primal Zerg in Starcraft 2 would probably be the closest thing to Jund philosophy. It pretty much follows the "eat or be eaten" philosophy of Jund before the Zerg were corrupted by Amon.

  • @Zero4revolution
    @Zero4revolution 2 роки тому +1

    There can be a different interpretation of this three-color philosophy; for example, you can shift the focus of the "main" color. For example, when black is in the focus of the mentioned triad, you get something like Korvold (a vicious king turned into a dragon who ate all his guests at the wedding). If green is in the focus Windgrace appears as the leading figure of the triad - an ideal of an noble beast who is deeply connected to the forest. As for red, you get Prossh, Yurlok or maybe even those Goblin twins who are only looking to make some chaos.
    Also green is not only an "animal" brain speaking in a negative way. XD

  • @GabriellNL
    @GabriellNL 3 роки тому +10

    Watching this video again, i can have another take on jund, Jund is the shard of ruthless, the shard of the big predators, were Nature bows to no one, as well the shard of comodarie betwen your Fellows, the shard of true freedom to express one self, the shard of strength, in a way jund is Very similar to the representation of the 300 of sparta, were the weak have no place nor the tyrants, only nature commands Jund.
    (Sorry for the bad english, not my First language and auto correct from phone uwu)

  • @jimcharles1479
    @jimcharles1479 3 роки тому +2

    love the video keep up the great work

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  3 роки тому

      Thanks you very much. I have been looking this series a lot as well it's really coming together

    • @jimcharles1479
      @jimcharles1479 3 роки тому +1

      @@DiceTry i'd definitely agree and can't wait for your views on grixis

  • @intothekey
    @intothekey 10 місяців тому +1

    Jund is interesting. It reminds me of Noxus from League of legends

  • @jflowization
    @jflowization Рік тому +2

    So what would a Heroic Jund character be like? if that is possible?

  • @monkeytime3169
    @monkeytime3169 2 роки тому +2

    The Unabomber would be a good example of a real life Jund aligned person, I think
    Or perhaps he'd be more Glint aligned

  • @griffmccoy5607
    @griffmccoy5607 2 роки тому +1

    Would love to see follow up videos if you find deeper thoughts on these as times goes on.

  • @joshuaduck4139
    @joshuaduck4139 3 роки тому +2

    You were so far off from guessing my method of Jund
    I use Black as my source of thoughtfulness and a source of power to use.
    I use Red as a building block (freedom, chaos, etc.) to speed up my goal.
    and I use Green as my base philosophy for the natural order and using my powers from the other 2 colors to maintain a balance.
    I still don't use blue or white, as I'm technically "selfish" (black mana) in how I handle social structures (white mana) or how I view the deeper meaning in things (blue mana)
    instead of not doing either as you implied at 4:20 I use Black mana to cover the thoughtfulness of how my personal natural order will affect whatever it will affect.

  • @DiceTry
    @DiceTry  2 роки тому

    Learn more about the colors featured in this video:
    Green - ua-cam.com/video/Wa4unbtsBtE/v-deo.html
    Black - ua-cam.com/video/PAlr1_ReQq8/v-deo.html
    Red - ua-cam.com/video/uHJHwqsOZbU/v-deo.html

  • @ThatHuedGuy
    @ThatHuedGuy 6 годин тому

    Jund reminds me of that ex you knew was bad for you, but man was she fun 😂😂😂 (and crazy...😅)

  • @nilsjonsson4446
    @nilsjonsson4446 3 роки тому +1

    How does Jund act when it's the underdog? When it's not powerful? Great video and it's clear how Jund acts when powerful, but what would a Jund-minded goblin do, either in a Jund "society" or a non-Jund society?

    • @luizpaulosantosribeiro9005
      @luizpaulosantosribeiro9005 2 роки тому +1

      Pack hunting seems the ideal responce. The Jund underdog is weak, but it despise his own weakness (Black). So he band together with other underdogs, as this is the natural way for the weak to survive (Green). Now that they have a decent number of underdogs united, they can act as a single powerful beast doing as it pleases (Red). Inside the pack, they probably have a power based hierarchy, maybe with a non underdog on top, but this allow them to fight for dominance in a more equal footing, while still being capable of punching above their weight against outsiders.

    • @nilsjonsson4446
      @nilsjonsson4446 2 роки тому +1

      @@luizpaulosantosribeiro9005 This makes perfect sense! Great reasoning! Thanks
      (I'm doing mtg color theory for my next d&d character and making a Jund ideal Orc Druid)

  • @PubiHD
    @PubiHD 3 роки тому +1

    Could you make a video with the Naya shard ?

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  3 роки тому

      You're in luck Naya is the next and last Shard. I have covered all of the other ones already.

  • @darrenskeeter4246
    @darrenskeeter4246 3 роки тому +1

    Jund. "Be the predator, or be the prey"

  • @wibby1617
    @wibby1617 3 роки тому +1

    I see Jund as pure natural greed. Though Jund doesn't see its self as evil, rather it is put in the role of predator making it so others see it as a threat to them. Jund doesn't think it made its self into a predator, it just acts like it in its natural state, and it doesn't see any problem with that. A real-world example of something like this is a wild lion, what we might see is a lion violently chasing a zebra while the zebra just wants to live, but the lion sees nothing wrong with it since the lion needs to eat. Being a predator just comes naturally to it, though Jund is a more extreme example where it doesn't kill to just survive, rather just to benefit in any way possible. I think you tried to make this point at 6:44, but I just wanted to re-word in my view it just in case you had a different thought process.

  • @Greenknight3
    @Greenknight3 20 днів тому

    I always felt like we only ever get one side of this coin. Imagine a slave people who see the same view from a different angle.
    We are weak therefore we surve.
    What colors would that be?

  • @Zerschnitzler77
    @Zerschnitzler77 3 роки тому +1

    wouldnt love to live on jund

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  3 роки тому

      Yeah it's not an easy life

  • @KarnodAldhorn
    @KarnodAldhorn 3 роки тому

    Another thing that's missing is White-Blues structure.

  • @DaddyFutbol
    @DaddyFutbol 3 роки тому +1

    jeskai please!

  • @lava2istrue
    @lava2istrue 3 роки тому +1

    After listening carefully, I can hear slight white noise in your audio. But this is easy to fix:
    Record a “silent” audio file (a sound file of what your mike picks up while you’re not talking), the use audio programs (like audacity, it’s free!) to retract that sound from your regular audio. Gives nice, clean, and crisp as fuck audio.

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  3 роки тому

      Ok thanks. Yeah I use audacity but didn't really know that feature I'll check that out thanks

  • @josiahhendrickson7476
    @josiahhendrickson7476 3 роки тому +1

    Grixis next? :)

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  3 роки тому

      I'll put it to a vote again but that would be my choice too

  • @James-vl2hh
    @James-vl2hh 3 роки тому +1

    Jund feels like Gruul

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  3 роки тому +2

      Many version will sound a lot like grill with selfish actions. But that's because red-green and red-black have some overlap in their ideals.

  • @GothArtisan
    @GothArtisan 5 місяців тому +2

    I find you me assumptions interesting, but flawed. It may be due to my Green-heavy mentality, Red-Heavy emotions, or Black-Heavy actions, but I see the opposite of what you said about Introspection; the way I see JUND is “Byronic Romanticism”. More specifically, the struggles an individual will suffer, as they search for their place in the world. Not through power OR through Individualism, or EVEN through raw impulses; instead, by choosing your path in life, and the level of willingness to follow through with it, regardless of what society says to do. Another way to see JUND, is by the lack of Blue-White/ “Azorius” philosophy; the philosophy of Order and control. That alone tells you that JUND is chaotic in nature; therefore, opposing what society says to be, in favor for what it chooses to be. Basically, in short? This is the Philosophy of Romanticism, Existentialism, and Determination.

  • @melindagreer4177
    @melindagreer4177 Рік тому +2

    "Green lacks empathy." Bro. What?

  • @inkblot6626
    @inkblot6626 3 роки тому

    Grixis should be next

  • @liamgardiner7585
    @liamgardiner7585 3 роки тому +1

    TLDR: Jund is Anprim

  • @axel15forever
    @axel15forever 11 місяців тому

    Freedom through oppression,
    You are free to be who you are until in infringes upon the rules, if you infringe upon the rules you don't deserve to live. Anything questioned must be silenced, for you cant understand anything you don't already understand. for you MBTI people, stereotypically made out for as an ENTP.

  • @abentevent
    @abentevent 3 роки тому +1

    Donald Trump

  • @A2N2Drew
    @A2N2Drew 3 роки тому

    haha this video sounds like a Jordan Peterson lecture

  • @BathrobeKeck
    @BathrobeKeck 3 роки тому

    So Jund is a bunch of serial killers

  • @mikeyj.philly
    @mikeyj.philly 3 роки тому +1

    The Donald Trump Shard

    • @mikeyj.philly
      @mikeyj.philly 2 роки тому

      @Sam Smith you're right. I've come to the conclusion he's more aof an orzhov anyway.

  • @weirdvideos6758
    @weirdvideos6758 3 роки тому

    I feel like this video should probably have a seizure warning