Kaspersky was banned because Russia invaded Ukraine and refuses to leave, so now they're acting like petulant children and lashing out at the rest of the world.
they are not, and .ru domain name was not the reason for removing a maintainer from the list. Actually one of them had GMail e-mail. The foundation conducted due diligence before applying the patch
@@TarasZakharchenko "The foundation conducted due diligence before applying the patch" Linus said that but he lied. He fired the guys with the .ru domain, and some guys with Russian IP. Nothing more. In fact, he even fired Russians nationalized who work in the US just because of the email. That is the circus🎪
One of the biggest hole in all this is how they "identify" Russian programmers by names and domain name. Half of Russian friends I know go with gemeric emails (e.g. gmail) and Russian-sounding names are very common all over ex-Soviet countries, Germany, USA and others. When you define people's rights by how their names sound, it reminds me some darker episodes of human history.
In my opinion, nothing new, during the Second World War the USA rounded up all the Japanese into concentration camps. Its basically the same but digital...
Open source software does not mean that other's are entitled to having their contributions accepted nor should it ever be that way. It still is open source
@@ScorgRus It's human contribution, not a governmental issue. That's why all people should start shifting from the Linux Foundation to something more secure that isn't controlled by anyone, and backdoors shouldn't be allowed by any entity."
it makes sense, since russia is very much trying to spy on or sabotage western software, there were even real cases when russian developers purposely corrupted open source software because of political views
@@daysejones968 this was a voluntary step by the linux top order to ban russian maintainers who work for sanctioned companies. There is no legal obligation to ban them in open source contribution.
@@szlomobronsztajn3115 The problem is to find enough people to support and trust the new project, Linux, for example, is MASSIVE it would need a conglomerate of companies to fork it and creat a new foundation, even then it's hard to know if they would have any chances.
I miss the positive side of globalism, for a while the internet did feel like a place where we could ignore the old world restrictions and grow together as people... but the real world came knocking and has been leaking more and more of it's toxic boundaries into a place i once found pure connection. It's why i started programming my own stuff instead of borrowing a full engine... They can *always* alter the deal no matter how 'open' the maintainers claim a project is. It is absolutely a slippery slope.
Never trust an Israeli mate They did this, unless social media and the people that have been pushing us towards the current state of affairs over the past 2 decades were just a coincidence
@@midorifox me when the person acting on beliefs influenced by state policy, then cite their nationality as reason as to why they are excluding another nationality in a global project. In a time where borders are increasingly defining the internet. "This is REAL globalism!"
This makes me wonder how long do we have until the integrity of Internet as a whole is questioned. What if the US decides that IANA and ICANN should enforce the sanctions against Russia? If you look at how much authority over the Internet belongs to US based entities, you can go deep into that rabbit hole. What if TLDs and certificates get revoked, what if IP ranges are deallocated?
I believe some of those were actually transferred to international control by concession of the USA a while back, (was controversial because it would give spicy governments more control over the overall governance of the internet)
@@loadingpleasewait6940 Still can split the internet tho. Especially if IP ranges are targeted. If CA's and IP ranges are targeted Russia would essentially be forced to create their own little segmented internet. They (their government) might like that though.
I am expecting Torvalds to ban all American developers because of invasion of Iraq or some other bs around Taiwan. If you decide to be "fan of sanctions", go with it until the end. Why stop at half measures?
Seriously speaking, many large Russian companies have invested in the stability and security of Linux, having discovered and sent many identified vulnerabilities for correction. Perhaps some of them were made by the other party intentionally. So excluding them from core development plays into the hands of "Western" companies, as it will make it easier for them to implement backdoors into the system.
This. You can be Finnish and at the same time understand that marking all Russians as one in the same is wrong. One thing that NATO countries should have done to actually get at Putler should have been accepting and receiving the opposition members and refugees in order to both cripple the knowledge pool inside the Russian war machine and deal a direct blow to their war economy at the same time. But no, Russia is le bad and Russians voted for it because they are bad, according to these "authorities" that are the same that negate the aid Ukraine desperately needs. Truly western democracies can't be trusted for making real decisions against oppressive governments.
1. Seriously speaking, LF suspended access from Russian state employees, including those who are working in military industrial complex. "The stability and security of Linux" in this case is only regarding it's operation on Russian state-developed hardware, including military hardware, those participating in indiscriminate (or sometimes deliberate) bombing of civilians in Ukraine. 2. None of the Russian companies are in Platinum or Gold members of the Linux Foundation. Which means they aren't funding the Linux development. Russia only taketh, not giveth. 3. There are thousands of developers on Linux kernel from various countries, sizeable portion of which wouldn't be fond of hypothetical backdoors you are talking about. literally "nothing of value was lost" kind of situation
Yeah I think it goes with the idea of security in FOSS software. The more eyes you have looking at it better. I'd say having adversarial maintainers (not against the software, but people who aren't aligned ideologically) is much better because there will be bad apples who want to put in back doors. Basically, the Russians are on the look out for Western back doors and vice versa.
@iRelevant.47.system.boycott the Russian version will even be shittier since apart from the fact that it will be crawling with FSB backdoors, no software will work on it.
if you actually did some research you'd figure out this is clearly an oversight in the sanction and open source wasn't considered, but somehow of course youtube comments section wants to spin it into some grand conspiracy government controlling us blah blah blah..
The problem is NOT removing those people from maintainers. The problem is total disrespect to contributors: the project leads could have come up with gratitude for the work done and a polite explanation and expression of regret, that they have to end collaboration for legal reasons. Instead we saw an attempt at almost silent removal, calling everyone questioning this move "paid trolls", and irrelevant nationalistic rant produced by the mush Linus calls brain (accepting volunteer contribution is NOT supporting aggression, you old ungrateful a**hole).
"If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam. As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be *supporting* Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too." Linus
@@alastorgdl read carfuly Linus answare. And yes, I cheering russian scumbaginess. Just like Linus knows the history of Finland and Russia, I know history of Ukraine and Russia. Gretings from Odesa.
As a Russian government state agent you are bad informed. You are not banned from development, just from merging code without someone else reviewing it.
shhh, don't say them we are not obliged to use .ru mailboxes only, are - believe it or not - can use vpn and fake credentials to pretend we are not from russia
I would 100% do it If I had the motivation to spend dozens of hours staring at a kernel. I had that experience porting dwarf fortress to the raspberry pi 0, and that's enough for a lifetime.
The problem is not so much that some developers were removed from the maintainers list, but rather how it was done. Especially Torvalds' words. They had a million ways to do exactly the same thing without causing much of an issue, for example by saying something like "This change does not reflect our attitude towards these people and was made under external pressure." - that's it! No questions asked, government requirements are government requirements, and the removed maintainers would have been sympathetic. But no, Linus and Co. wanted to tell everyone that in their opinion all Russians are bloodthirsty trolls, each of whom personally massacred an entire city. I was particularly amused by Linus's comment about being Finnish. Well, okay, and I'm Polish-Jewish-Ukrainian-Georgian-Russian, so what's next?
I'll actually agree with your post! The Russian maintainers could have simply been put on sabbatical until the sanctions were lifted because Russia decided to be a country without Putin. Putin and the sanctions are the bad guys, not the Russian people.
That would be too political. The message should have just been " With the compliance of yada yada yada Federal law [ instert number ] we'd removed these contributors: [list of contributors] . Sorry for you inconvenience. Thank you for your understanding. " That would have been the best way to do the same thing. Even though it wouldn't be well received either, but at least it wouldn't have created such an outcry and it wouldn't ruin Linuses reputation.
They have at least 2 "pure %100 russian OS"(linux forks) already. But they are basically corruption money laundering schemes from like 5/10 years ago, dont think russians update them at all.
open source doesnt mean you're allowed to contribute to whatever. You can fork it and do your own stuff, but you're not entitled to the foundation built around the main repository
@@richielickie Typical midwits with their midwit opinions. Same people chant "freedom of speech not freedom of reach" or "freedom of speech but not freedom of consequences" Dumb as shit and arguing about semantics
@@milk_expanse wh40k used to be cool and funny, now it's just ass. They absolutely hate fan projects and strike anyone doing anything cool. Plus it's ridiculously expensive for some reason.
This will probably make Chinese companies invest in their own OS from scratch instead of linux distros since even the kernel is on reach of US control.
You get it. Linux will no longer be seen as an OS for everyone. It will be seen as an OS for US-aligned countries. Basically an OS with risks similar to risks of any Western product (like SWIFT, Visa or MasterCard). This will lead to fragmentation. IMHO nobody will win from this in the long run.
This is obviously not a government thing, Linus supports Ukraine, and the announcement says that the removed contributors can re-apply, they're obviously trying to weed out pro-war/state actors.
@@tn7648 yes you are. You don't even realize how does it contribute to your ability to maintain your current consumption level. It's really good that you guys crop the branch you are sitting on; this stops distracting effort of Russian engineers to dead-end legacy projects.
This is a huge step backward. Open source was supposed to allow unhindered development between nations regardless of political disagreements. If they bend the knee in the name of sanctions expect privacy to be the next target.
Or is it a long overdue step towards increased national and allies cybersecurity? Backwards to what a exactly? Backwards to the good old days of unimagined security vulnerabilities. Don't worry you can still sing around the campfire and make smores.
@@StanleytheCat-v8z Wouldn't you be "conservative" if you only wanted backdoors from your side of the fence...I'm just confused. Liberalism is extreme freedom (too much of anything is bad).
@@dudebro484"Liberalism" is not "extreme freedom." "Too much of anything is bad" is also incorrect. Why would infinite necessities be bad? Perhaps for the elites and capitalism...
Freedom to most people now is adult daycare: "Take whatever you want, do whatever you want, as long as I get my afternoon snacks and can goon, I'm free!
I find it ridiculously stupid and reductive to bring up historic events...in complete isolation to other historic events from that same period, critically relevant to the discussion. If current-day Finnish professionals have issues working with current-day Russian ones because of what Soviets did to the Finnish motherland 80 years ago, that absolutely opens the door to discussions about the status of Germans, Italians, Japanese contributors. This, on top of illegalities around applying collective punishment and discriminating on the basis of ethnic origin. Additionally, I haven't checked the archives but did any contributors from NATO member states get purged after Libya was obliterated and Obama apologised for it? But hey, I am nowhere near the intelligence level of Linus, he's probably applying some refined, superior level of collective punishment I'm just not understanding.
@@BlindBosnian basically, a child or at most a severely naive grown man. You can have child prodigies learning and performing at university level, but you still need to remind them not to trust any stranger they may come across.
Without a politically educated populace, democracy is dead. And such education doesn't come from watching CNN or Sky news. But from participating in some form of politics at some part of your life.
The part about weaponizing Linux reminds me of the "purge of nazis" in NixOS, that ended with it's founder booted out of his own project - now seized by political activists. It's harder for something of that scale to happen with the Kernel, but clearly not impossible.
It's only a question of time till Linus retires or has a government mandated unfortunate accident. He is 54 he is not immortal, the Kernel is fundamentally doomed.
@@asdion It's the same situation as Valve actually. No matter what happens both Linus and Gabe have people they trust and know full well will continue doing what they've been doing for the foreseeable future with or without them in the picture.
Please don't use machine translated titles for other languages if you can't check their accuracy. In German, Betreuer is a correct translation of maintainer. However, in software jargon it's very common to keep using the English words. Most Germans in the field would simply translate maintainer as Maintainer.
@@AChannelFrom2006 That's what a good russian spy would do, sell it and move to US. Wouldn't he? But god forbid someone uses a ".ru" domain, which is technically owned, created and licensed by pentagon.
well. it is not actually. russian linux community is one of the biggest in the CIS region. A and russian programmers are really, really good. Since Linus was bitching about "we have very few maintainers" last yeat it was a luxury to throw away this high level guys. Now they to, but Linus being a moron, who likes to talk shit just made situation way worse. If they were just removed, that would have been bad, but not this bad since it did paint Linus in a very shitty light. Was not the first time, though.
@@LordVarkson It's the biggest empire ofcourse it can take any living being on this planet, Bribe, Threaten or Assassinate people for their stand. Thing is Ideas are bulletproof. What one provoking RU and CN for with such bans? Wanna enforce them to their own Linux Kernel? They can take all the code and the funny thing they can own everything without sharing the due credits. Is it good to have to such fragmented community? We dont want anyone's spying or malwares may it be US spying or the RU spying and the CN spying or the EU spying. United we stand without excluding anyone, Divided we fall!
I am russian. And I am actually fine with all the sanctions on Russia and russian citizens. You do you, you have all the rights to do whatever you want, we have all the rights to respond. What I am not fine with is hypocrisy and double standards. Please, remind me the last time any western or western allied country was sanctioned for military intervention in another country? Or any example of such sanctions ever happening to western country after WW2? And also can we at least agree that from now on any country should be punished as much as Russia for any military intervention? Like, the next time US invades any other country, the US and US citizens will be sanctioned as much as Russia is right now? Something tells me this never gonna happen.
Yes, war is bad and everyone knows it. But for some reason all people seemingly still accept some invasions which is not only double standards - it's just inhumane. ANY war is stupid and insane, why don't more people realize it
Im Swedish and this is exactly the kind of opinion I have on things. More people protested against the war in Iraq than the war in Ukraine, it was exactly as illegal as your war. Yet the US wasn't sanctioned. Israels war is probably the most illegal and brutal we have had since WW2, they aren't sanctioned. Its just hypocrisy. So its better to understand its hypocrisy. We are in a "fight" . Our "side" is fighting "your" side and both sides use bullcrap narratives to trick their people. Im sure Putin has his own type of bullcrap, this bullcrap about "international law" is for the western fool. Why we are in a fight? Probably because our oligarchy wants to dominate your oligarchy and vice versa. Ordinary people lose out anyway.
@@4и1 finland has never been socialist or nationalist. finland itself is just a russianartificial creation to weaken sweden(done by the german ruling tsar in 1809)
@@Wkaelx Im from the future and windows 77 can get you off if you subscribe to their subscription service for just 50$ a month!! Its very good for when im trying to get intimate with my AI girlfriend. Invest wisely my friend.
Response kind of missed the point also, saying only one person has ability to remove so it can't really be abused. But that one person didn't remove it by free unburdened choice.
This will only make FOSS supporters disinterested as technically a govt of one is dictating the devs sitting in another country to satisfy their whims. If you involve politics here as well, things will definitely take a turn for worse for FOSS
The government did not dictate "the devs sitting in another country". The devs are employees of major russian companies that are under sanctions because those companies are involved in a war. If/when the devs prove they no longer have ties with such companies, they will have a chance to apply for the maintainer role again.
@@ЯрославФ-ы7ж i don't think those companies have sanctions because they're involved in war. If that was the case, there would be sanctions placed all over the world. And its not even companies involved in this particular war. Its specifically any company that has money essentially. Its to freeze assets. having said that, the assets haven't been frozen but stolen. I don't see a difference between the two anyway. This is the US telling the rest of the world not to trust it with their assets. Not building a great future for the US and the dollar is now under threat of no longer being the international standard currency. That would demolish the US in the near future if it goes through and its looking pretty likely to happen within our lifetime.
At first he implies it's a legal decision. Then he says " I'm Finnish. ... Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too." So which is it? A legal requirement, or Torvalds just being a bellend?
It depends on who has motivation to do bad things to you or your state. At least for me CIA and Mossad are very far from the top of the list of things I should be scared of
Somehow I get vibes from that one interview where a question came up whether Linus was previously contacted by three letter agencies to incorporate backdoors in the kernel and he said yes while shaking his head in the horizontal direction. Except this time, actual contributors received the boot.
shaking head has no meaning. It's not a contradiction. I can't recall that nonsense anyway. What actually is on film where he's asked if state agencies approached him to implement backdoors, he answered "no", next question was in the sense of "if agencies were to approach you, would you be allowed to talk about it or confirm it?" He answered "no". This tells a lot more than people realize. Linux is a pile of backdoors. Also, Linus "taking side" in the politics now means he's not in the business of preventing backdoors but implementing them. That would also answer the question how free software is able to pay thousands of experts.
@@TheMotionsense this was long time ago, and available on youtube, long before anybody knew that ukraine wants to be a country, maybe 15 years ago. It was some official EU hearing of some sort, I believe. Similar to those with Zuckerberg. Not a press interview where he could lie, insult people and show his finger.
Mentions “not a US thing” and then in the next line mentions “sanctions” as “some kind of not a US thing” and also make the reader “go read it from other source if you don’t believe it so that when the reader read it he will think Linus was right- it wasn’t Linus it was the other sources” ahahah nice trick play.
@@pajeetsinghWell, half of Europe suffered under ruSSian occupation until ~1989 or so… Killing ppl, plundering resources… Naturally, having close contact with degenerated Moscal officers and whores they were married to, left some strong feelings among more civilised, but enslaved, nations…
@@pajeetsinghWell, half of Europe suffered under ruSSian occupation until ~1989 or so… Killing ppl, plundering resources… Naturally, having close contact with degenerated Moscal officers and whores they were married to, left some strong feelings among more civilised, but enslaved, nations…
Not even lying, my girlfriend told me one day that her best friends dad's was "the linux guy". I thought she was talking about maybe some guy that worked on linux. No, as it turns out, she is friends with Linus Torvalds daughters.
@@mdjey2 Correct. That was about 40 years prior. Although it's not entirely correct to say they sided with them as much as they were Russians to begin with.
The cooperation between the Nazis and the Communists in 1939-1941 and the fact that Russia today is sending monkeys from North Korea to the war with Ukraine is a completely different matter, right?🤓
@@xfiver359 btw astra is shit. I don’t understand how they managed to turn one of the most stable distributions, I mean Debian, into a buggy piece of code. Just like in that joke about the russian and the three steel balls. As for Alt Linux, I haven’t tried it personally, but judging by the reviews (especially in comparison with Astra), it’s just heaven and earth. Yes, it is a little specific and has its problems, but the distribution is really worthy of attention. So if there is a choice between the two, it is better to choose Alt.
From my understanding of IP in the realm of International Law, the US claiming RISC-V being a "US" thing isn't too far fetched, as much as I disagree with it.
They just mad that China can make an actual alternative to their hegemony of tech. Sure, it won't be as advanced, but at least it can do most basic stuff. Just look at the cell phone using unisoq SOCs, they aren't fast, but my god are they cheap, and they do the basic stuff just fine.
@@RERM001 most of the average Joes won't be doing advanced stuff with tech either. As long as the chip can execute their compiled binaries, they will remain happy
@@general_paul Yeah, some ZTE and Honor phones work well with them and they cost like less than $200. The only reason americans don't use them is because of sanctions which don't work because the rest of the world is fine with them. Basically they sanction the companies from providing a real competition to Apple and Google, thus ironically inflating tech prices there.
@@RERM001 Their industry can progress and eventually make even better CPUs than current Intel's, but I don't see anything bad in this. Customers will just get more options
It wasn't just browsers. You even had two versions of Linux distros, regular and non-US version due to cryptography export ban. This was funky with SSH as that too came from Finland instead. End of 90's was weird time.
Unfounded hatred dressed up as compassion and solidarity. Virtue signaling at its finest. How on earth some of the brightest minds turn out to be so obtuse? Pride is truly blinding I suppose...
Wow. Torvalds really ruined his reputation forever with this garbage mail. Congrats on drinking the cool-aid, Linus. Without the millions of contributors all over the world, Linux would have been an irrelevant empty OS.
Stallman did the majority of work on making free software what it is today and making desktop Linux. Linus just maintains the kernel. Yet when you think of Linux almost nobody remembers Stallman and everyone remembers and praises Linus for it
This has been ongoing for years. In 2022, I witnessed many Russian colleagues losing their jobs in European tech firms. The real problem is that their talent is really missed, and some teams suffered huge losses in productivity, leading to some projects failing in 2023.
My god... i couldn't get what was happening with your voice speaking spanish till i realised youtube was AI translating the video to spanish, never happened to me before
It absolutely is FOSS as anyone is free to: Run the program as they wish Read the source code and make changes Share the source code Share the modified version Which one of these is Linus breaking?
@@omairtech6711 Do you even know what Linus did? He made 11 people unable to approve changes. 11 people working for the russian government. They can still submit changes or contribute by finding bugs. I don't know what part of that goes against the spirit of FOSS.
Isn't the FREEDOM from regulators the primary thing, that used to be the reason for which we moved from Windows? I don't want US sanction list on my opensource OS. 🤦♂
@ISHU_cute опа, еще одна зooфильская рожа отметилась - давай, расскажи, как сообщество извращенцев, у 99% участников которого хер стоит на антропоморфных животных (doi: 10.1007/s10508-018-1303-7), "никак не связано с зooфилией"
I gotta admit, because of lack of experience I've never contributed to any open-source project, and can't speak for certain, but I think this is exactly the opposite of what open source stands for?
@@baranbeytemur5451 Everyone who makes software available to Russia or Belarus which contains encryption software classified under ECCN 5D002 has to basically ask the NSA first right now. If the NSA says no, do you think they're going to be happy with Russian employees of sanctioned entities be writing the code if they can't even export it to Russia?
I'm Russian. Rn I'm using a pirated version of Windows, and for quite a while I was thinking about switching my main PC to Linux-based OS - after all, I already have a small rig for work purposes with Astra Linux installed. Now I'd think twice about that, and I'm sure that many other people will too. Congrats to Linus, he managed to turn people away from the community not even by the fact that some guy was caught in the political crossfire because of government demands, but by the fact that he openly stated that we aren't welcome here. Because the thing an open-source platform devoted to give freedom to PC users definetly needs is national discrimination... Right? Well, not that it matters anyways. It was a shitty move, but I suppose that the best thing we can do is just note that the author may be an asshole even if the product is good, and just start forking the software. Btw, regarding that: Astra Linux is a bad choice for Westerners because it's mostly meant for government and military use, with all the consequences that come with it. I should worry about Western backdoors on my work rig more than about Russian ones, and that's the sole reason why I use it. Though, common folks work on such projects too, so keep your eyes open.
"national discrimination" bruh. Интересно, когда росияне поймут, что подобная "дискриминация" идёт в первую очередь по МЕСТУ ПРОЖИВАНИЯ. Да, ты живёшь в РФ, платишь налоги, тем самым спонсируя правящую партию, и деньги налогоплательщиков идут также на ВПК и ВС. В том и заключается свободное ПО, что создатель этого самого ПО может делать чё хочет с командой разработки, разве что код должен быть открытым для ВСЕХ. И да, если ты будешь каким-нибудь русским с гражданством США или любой другой страны которая не КНДР/Иран/КНР(?) и не будешь гордится тем что ты "русский", то всё будет хорошо, я полагаю
@eruvin3 в таком случае, что прикажешь делать: уехать в другую страну, бросив друзей и родных как последний мудак, что по части морали ещё хуже поддержки правительства? Перестать платить налоги и уйти жить в лес, что по факту является тем же самым? Те, кто может без последствий для окружающих свободно выбирать место жительства в соответствии с политическими взглядами - меньшинство. Либо от них и так никто не зависит, либо у них есть достаточно денег чтобы не испытывать проблем, связанных с потерей стабильного дохода и тратами на переезд. О свободном ПО уже сказано - главный плюс в том, что его можно спокойно форкнуть. Того, что поступок Линуса мудацкий, это не отменяет - конкретно эти люди старались на благо сообщества и их удалили исключительно из-за российских почтовых ящиков и имён, хотя один если я не ошибаюсь вообще живёт в Казахстане, по поздним данным. О гражданстве вообще не задумывались, это именно что национальная дискриминация.
I agree with bro very true free software shall be keep free and opensource no matter who the developers are if someone has problem with this check the code is open!
i still think that is the right way to go about this problem. It will create a great deal of overhead cross checking each and every commit. But that has to be done eitherway by someone or the other. Also whats stopping USA or any nato nation for that matter from adding malicious code into linux. This thought process of linus is fueled by personal bias and haste. Does not solve the actual problem at hand.
TempleOS will not be affected guys, you can all carry on with your day
FOSS without intervention of those people that glow in the dark for no real reason whatsoever. What's not to love?
Terry was assisinated and dumped on the tracks by the Linux mafia.
Ring 0 all day, no network, God's Resolution 🤘
Bro stole my take, ugh.
TempleOS is pozzed. No native PowerPC or Sparc support.
You forgot to add that Kaspersky was banned because it detected a US government backdoor on windows operating systems using buffer overflows.
Kaspersky was banned because Russia invaded Ukraine and refuses to leave, so now they're acting like petulant children and lashing out at the rest of the world.
Based
He talked about it in an earlier vid
Kaspersky is an FSB backdoor itself
Whaaaaaaaaaat? Why doesn't the media talk about this?
i am sure a Russian spy wouldnt use a russian name and .ru in his email lol
they are not, and .ru domain name was not the reason for removing a maintainer from the list. Actually one of them had GMail e-mail. The foundation conducted due diligence before applying the patch
@@TarasZakharchenko lol
yeah 😂😂 and like they cant have proxies and fake firms in Vienna
@@TarasZakharchenko "The foundation conducted due diligence before applying the patch"
Linus said that but he lied.
He fired the guys with the .ru domain, and some guys with Russian IP. Nothing more.
In fact, he even fired Russians nationalized who work in the US just because of the email.
That is the circus🎪
@@TuriGamer can you write something that makes sense, lol?
One of the biggest hole in all this is how they "identify" Russian programmers by names and domain name. Half of Russian friends I know go with gemeric emails (e.g. gmail) and Russian-sounding names are very common all over ex-Soviet countries, Germany, USA and others. When you define people's rights by how their names sound, it reminds me some darker episodes of human history.
It is what it is
They are some very specific Russian programmers. Do some research before commenting.
@@Aries-hp1jn you are most welcome to share your research, feel free to post a link
Uh yeah, the tolerant society.
In my opinion, nothing new, during the Second World War the USA rounded up all the Japanese into concentration camps. Its basically the same but digital...
"Open source software, unless I don't like it"
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY.... Source is still open if u want to leech of some free code ;)
"I don't understand what risk is, because I've never heard of cybersecurity in my life."
@@adamk.7177 oh look another glowie
Open source software does not mean that other's are entitled to having their contributions accepted nor should it ever be that way. It still is open source
@@adamk.7177 I know. You little baby need all the safety measures there are. Hey maybe if we give up enough of our rights you will be safe one day
Cold War is back, forget all you knew about open-sourced software being collaborative.
Joke's on you, it never ended in the first place 😎
Yes, Finland, famously known to take sides in the cold war.
@@bazooka712 it took a side in a cold war, and Linux is an international project driven mainly by the US at this point
No worries when trump comes to power it will be fixed.
Biden admin is too much against russians.
@@bazooka712 Finlandization. A fun subject…
Now you have only USA state approved backdoors. Hope you like it.
Don't mistake their aggressive backdoors with our defensive innovation
I prefer the Russian ones. So much for freedom of choice.
@@ScorgRus It's human contribution, not a governmental issue. That's why all people should start shifting from the Linux Foundation to something more secure that isn't controlled by anyone, and backdoors shouldn't be allowed by any entity."
@@CoolDay-kd6bg What do you have against Russians?
m0$$@d
Dmitry Kozlov is a famous mathematician who works at a university in Berlin. Has a wiki page and everything he’s pretty acclaimed.
More likely just to be a different person with the same name.
Don't cry, Ivan.
@@mikesilver2283ain’t you retarted or smth?
@@mikesilver2283 cope harder
Then he'll be fine submitting the correct documentation then
Now we only have American backdoors 😔
printing to screen "oh say, can you see" now while booting.
@@eugenkeller or ` NO RUSSIAN BACKDOOR ALLOWED FROM THIS POINT. US BACKDOOR ONLY `
better than communist backdoor
....basically a violation of GPL, making it "not free anymore", looks like Biden bought entire Linux Kernel, interesting how much he paid?
Now we can use NATO software if you're in BRICS and BRICS software if you're in NATO, becoming invulnerable 😊
This does not stop malicious state sponsored agents. This does stop random hard working believers in open source.
Typical demented Linus doing something just because he can
You're an идиот. Working on to the our idiotic cleptocracy. "In a some way or another".
It actually does stop trolls/hackers quite a bit
@@kelpermoon23no, it only brings possibly neutral people towards being more anti-western, just as Mental Outlaw said.
@@kelpermoon23 "it actually does stop trolls" obviously not, since you're here
Freedom of software except in case of sanctions? hahaha
it makes sense, since russia is very much trying to spy on or sabotage western software, there were even real cases when russian developers purposely corrupted open source software because of political views
@@daysejones968 this was a voluntary step by the linux top order to ban russian maintainers who work for sanctioned companies. There is no legal obligation to ban them in open source contribution.
@@daysejones968Lol thats why I won't support open-source
@@daysejones968 yes
@@daysejones968 that's not how sanctions work.
"FOSS software allows anyone to freely study, modify and maintain the code."
Except if you are from Russia or any other nation that USA doesn't like.
I think if they can still do forks and use the code that's fair enough. Tho I do hope that is exception rather than a rule
Free for anybody who born in the right country
"So you want to contribute to this open source project. Do you support Israel or Palestine?"
This WILL happen. Soon.
This is free software, you don't like the maintainer? Just fork it, that's literally the point
Can see that happening
@@szlomobronsztajn3115 Like the godot thing.
@@szlomobronsztajn3115 The problem is to find enough people to support and trust the new project, Linux, for example, is MASSIVE it would need a conglomerate of companies to fork it and creat a new foundation, even then it's hard to know if they would have any chances.
Honestly, I don't support any, I would love to nuke them both to hell
Politicizing open source always ends well
> implying open source isn't inherently political
Isn't FOSS political from the start? Especially GNU?
@@fish3977 "corpos and glow in the dark african americans leave my sh1t alone" is not a political statement
my food is politcal the air we breath is politcal, hell our shit is politcal. We just cant have good things 😔
@@tablettablete186 How so? If strongly advocating programmer's ownership on software is political, then so is asking ur boss for a raise.
I miss the positive side of globalism, for a while the internet did feel like a place where we could ignore the old world restrictions and grow together as people... but the real world came knocking and has been leaking more and more of it's toxic boundaries into a place i once found pure connection. It's why i started programming my own stuff instead of borrowing a full engine... They can *always* alter the deal no matter how 'open' the maintainers claim a project is. It is absolutely a slippery slope.
Never trust an Israeli mate
They did this, unless social media and the people that have been pushing us towards the current state of affairs over the past 2 decades were just a coincidence
divided we stand united we fall
Normies got online. It was over ever since.
Lmao globalism, this is just what globalism actually is.
@@midorifox me when the person acting on beliefs influenced by state policy, then cite their nationality as reason as to why they are excluding another nationality in a global project. In a time where borders are increasingly defining the internet.
"This is REAL globalism!"
Russian agression: 😡
USA agression: 🙈
😅😅😅
This makes me wonder how long do we have until the integrity of Internet as a whole is questioned. What if the US decides that IANA and ICANN should enforce the sanctions against Russia? If you look at how much authority over the Internet belongs to US based entities, you can go deep into that rabbit hole. What if TLDs and certificates get revoked, what if IP ranges are deallocated?
Nice pfp, respect
The protocols are not US controlled. There is also satellite. Blocking half the world is not practical either.
I believe some of those were actually transferred to international control by concession of the USA a while back, (was controversial because it would give spicy governments more control over the overall governance of the internet)
When sanctions started, Russia created their own CA.
@@loadingpleasewait6940 Still can split the internet tho. Especially if IP ranges are targeted. If CA's and IP ranges are targeted Russia would essentially be forced to create their own little segmented internet. They (their government) might like that though.
This divides an already small community.
Very true!
I am expecting Torvalds to ban all American developers because of invasion of Iraq or some other bs around Taiwan. If you decide to be "fan of sanctions", go with it until the end. Why stop at half measures?
Sad. First the space station, then the science community, now linux community.
yeah...
I'd have to say this is why Jobs maintained his policy. When there's no central clean control (clean by who's standard?), creep is lurking.
Seriously speaking, many large Russian companies have invested in the stability and security of Linux, having discovered and sent many identified vulnerabilities for correction. Perhaps some of them were made by the other party intentionally. So excluding them from core development plays into the hands of "Western" companies, as it will make it easier for them to implement backdoors into the system.
This. You can be Finnish and at the same time understand that marking all Russians as one in the same is wrong. One thing that NATO countries should have done to actually get at Putler should have been accepting and receiving the opposition members and refugees in order to both cripple the knowledge pool inside the Russian war machine and deal a direct blow to their war economy at the same time. But no, Russia is le bad and Russians voted for it because they are bad, according to these "authorities" that are the same that negate the aid Ukraine desperately needs. Truly western democracies can't be trusted for making real decisions against oppressive governments.
1. Seriously speaking, LF suspended access from Russian state employees, including those who are working in military industrial complex. "The stability and security of Linux" in this case is only regarding it's operation on Russian state-developed hardware, including military hardware, those participating in indiscriminate (or sometimes deliberate) bombing of civilians in Ukraine.
2. None of the Russian companies are in Platinum or Gold members of the Linux Foundation. Which means they aren't funding the Linux development. Russia only taketh, not giveth.
3. There are thousands of developers on Linux kernel from various countries, sizeable portion of which wouldn't be fond of hypothetical backdoors you are talking about.
literally "nothing of value was lost" kind of situation
That's probably what the NSA, etc wants.
Yeah I think it goes with the idea of security in FOSS software. The more eyes you have looking at it better. I'd say having adversarial maintainers (not against the software, but people who aren't aligned ideologically) is much better because there will be bad apples who want to put in back doors. Basically, the Russians are on the look out for Western back doors and vice versa.
Despite being Finish, Linus only excluded maintainers that are covered by sanctions, all other Russians are not affected.
So Linux has lost the "free from backdoors and big government control" selling point and is now just a shitty OS.
Total downer. Looking forward to a Russian versions coming up.
@iRelevant.47.system.boycott the Russian version will even be shittier since apart from the fact that it will be crawling with FSB backdoors, no software will work on it.
if you actually did some research you'd figure out this is clearly an oversight in the sanction and open source wasn't considered, but somehow of course youtube comments section wants to spin it into some grand conspiracy government controlling us blah blah blah..
this is a brainrot take
How do we know it was free of backdoors and big government control in the first place?
The problem is NOT removing those people from maintainers. The problem is total disrespect to contributors: the project leads could have come up with gratitude for the work done and a polite explanation and expression of regret, that they have to end collaboration for legal reasons. Instead we saw an attempt at almost silent removal, calling everyone questioning this move "paid trolls", and irrelevant nationalistic rant produced by the mush Linus calls brain (accepting volunteer contribution is NOT supporting aggression, you old ungrateful a**hole).
True. This is undescriably rude
@@tk1l1284 Calling "undescriably rude" to a filthy WASP minion like Torvalds is very generous of you
"If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.
As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be *supporting* Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too."
Linus
@@Eleyger Are you cheering scumbaginess?
@@alastorgdl read carfuly Linus answare. And yes, I cheering russian scumbaginess. Just like Linus knows the history of Finland and Russia, I know history of Ukraine and Russia. Gretings from Odesa.
as a russian government state agent i can confirm that i'm banned from developing linux kernel.
As a Russian government state agent you are bad informed.
You are not banned from development, just from merging code without someone else reviewing it.
@@snygg1993 WOOSH
shhh, don't say them we are not obliged to use .ru mailboxes only, are - believe it or not - can use vpn and fake credentials to pretend we are not from russia
Lies, if you were a russian spy you would've named yourself Ivan Kozlov or something
This is the Linux From Scratch year
I would 100% do it If I had the motivation to spend dozens of hours staring at a kernel. I had that experience porting dwarf fortress to the raspberry pi 0, and that's enough for a lifetime.
Or BSD
@@ralphyreece4687Dwarf Fortress is closed source, how did you port it?
@@ralphyreece4687 lmao. Raspbery Pi makes you regret they invented linux in the first place, lol
What are you trying to solve? It's still most likely using Linux kernel.
The problem is not so much that some developers were removed from the maintainers list, but rather how it was done. Especially Torvalds' words. They had a million ways to do exactly the same thing without causing much of an issue, for example by saying something like "This change does not reflect our attitude towards these people and was made under external pressure." - that's it! No questions asked, government requirements are government requirements, and the removed maintainers would have been sympathetic. But no, Linus and Co. wanted to tell everyone that in their opinion all Russians are bloodthirsty trolls, each of whom personally massacred an entire city.
I was particularly amused by Linus's comment about being Finnish. Well, okay, and I'm Polish-Jewish-Ukrainian-Georgian-Russian, so what's next?
I'll actually agree with your post! The Russian maintainers could have simply been put on sabbatical until the sanctions were lifted because Russia decided to be a country without Putin. Putin and the sanctions are the bad guys, not the Russian people.
That would be too political. The message should have just been " With the compliance of yada yada yada Federal law [ instert number ] we'd removed these contributors: [list of contributors] . Sorry for you inconvenience. Thank you for your understanding. " That would have been the best way to do the same thing. Even though it wouldn't be well received either, but at least it wouldn't have created such an outcry and it wouldn't ruin Linuses reputation.
"I'm Finnish, that means my brain is properly washed!"
bro, you're the one, you're the Messiah,YOU ARE THE ULTIMATE SLAV
Doesn't this just mean Russia will fork Linux and create their own version of the kernel?
oh no doubt about that they will ,why didn't he do that when war started also what about Israel for example i am not pro russian but this is bs
They have at least 2 "pure %100 russian OS"(linux forks) already.
But they are basically corruption money laundering schemes from like 5/10 years ago, dont think russians update them at all.
No, that's stupid, they can add their own patches and distribute them separately and that's it.
Russians, russians.
The kremlin kernel
- Linux
Turns out the source was less open than previously believed
what bs..
Open to read and to fork lol
Why ? The source is still open. Russians are free to inspect the code.
open source doesnt mean you're allowed to contribute to whatever. You can fork it and do your own stuff, but you're not entitled to the foundation built around the main repository
@@richielickie Typical midwits with their midwit opinions. Same people chant "freedom of speech not freedom of reach" or "freedom of speech but not freedom of consequences"
Dumb as shit and arguing about semantics
linux, dungeons and dragons, warhammer, movies and video games.. all things that used to be cool but have been captured by tribal ideologues.
I've heard wh40k canonized women space Marines, and what happened to d&d?
@@milk_expanse wh40k used to be cool and funny, now it's just ass. They absolutely hate fan projects and strike anyone doing anything cool. Plus it's ridiculously expensive for some reason.
This will probably make Chinese companies invest in their own OS from scratch instead of linux distros since even the kernel is on reach of US control.
They already have. Huawei made HarmonyOS and entirely rewrote the linux part of the kernel making it a more modular microkernel
You get it. Linux will no longer be seen as an OS for everyone.
It will be seen as an OS for US-aligned countries. Basically an OS with risks similar to risks of any Western product (like SWIFT, Visa or MasterCard).
This will lead to fragmentation.
IMHO nobody will win from this in the long run.
Not just Chinese I guess all countries will start making their own things
Its EU control not US.
@@AndRei-yc3ti okay, so, they copied linux, added proprietary protocols to it, and called it Chinese OS.
open source until government cries
Oh no, we're gonna miss out on those Russian military contractor "contributions." /s
This is obviously not a government thing, Linus supports Ukraine, and the announcement says that the removed contributors can re-apply, they're obviously trying to weed out pro-war/state actors.
@@ohwellplaythecardsthatimgi9494 you better not use yandex with that Reddit cutout attitude lol
@@ohwellplaythecardsthatimgi9494Either should Americans nor DEI people
@@tn7648 yes you are. You don't even realize how does it contribute to your ability to maintain your current consumption level. It's really good that you guys crop the branch you are sitting on; this stops distracting effort of Russian engineers to dead-end legacy projects.
This is a huge step backward.
Open source was supposed to allow unhindered development between nations regardless of political disagreements.
If they bend the knee in the name of sanctions expect privacy to be the next target.
well put
That's the difference between "open source" and free software
Or is it a long overdue step towards increased national and allies cybersecurity? Backwards to what a exactly? Backwards to the good old days of unimagined security vulnerabilities. Don't worry you can still sing around the campfire and make smores.
@@msromike123 only the CIA is allowed to plant backdoors
Exactly
4:50 Only the CIA is allowed to run the backdoors on your PC :)
So not OUR LINUX 😢😔✊🏻
Never has been :(
not our precious Linux, stealing blind, and he wants to be a OS?that a SICK joke.
Its really sad comrade
Not Ubuntu, if you know the meaning of the word lol
i was so happy with arch :(
"only american backdoors allowed"
SELinux. Literally created by the NSA.
Isn't liberalism great?
@@StanleytheCat-v8z Wouldn't you be "conservative" if you only wanted backdoors from your side of the fence...I'm just confused. Liberalism is extreme freedom (too much of anything is bad).
@@dudebro484 I'm a communist.
@@dudebro484"Liberalism" is not "extreme freedom."
"Too much of anything is bad" is also incorrect. Why would infinite necessities be bad? Perhaps for the elites and capitalism...
Free software without freedom is just software…
A russian that has freedom is not a real russian.
Russia is not Free, therefore it does not need our Free Software. Good riddance.
There's no freedom in Russia. If government tells you to sabotage OSS projects you maintain - you do it, if you value health of your family 😉
Freedom? It's just another branch of financial oligopoly, opposite to proprietary sw owners.
Freedom to most people now is adult daycare: "Take whatever you want, do whatever you want, as long as I get my afternoon snacks and can goon, I'm free!
I find it ridiculously stupid and reductive to bring up historic events...in complete isolation to other historic events from that same period, critically relevant to the discussion.
If current-day Finnish professionals have issues working with current-day Russian ones because of what Soviets did to the Finnish motherland 80 years ago, that absolutely opens the door to discussions about the status of Germans, Italians, Japanese contributors. This, on top of illegalities around applying collective punishment and discriminating on the basis of ethnic origin.
Additionally, I haven't checked the archives but did any contributors from NATO member states get purged after Libya was obliterated and Obama apologised for it?
But hey, I am nowhere near the intelligence level of Linus, he's probably applying some refined, superior level of collective punishment I'm just not understanding.
Linus is smart but he is a political sheep
@@nikoraasu6929 Smart but foolish, an unfortunately common combo
@@BlindBosnian It's sadly not uncommon for smart people to fall for stupid politics.
@@nikoraasu6929 That's exactly what I said. It's a common combo, and that's unfortunate
@@BlindBosnian basically, a child or at most a severely naive grown man. You can have child prodigies learning and performing at university level, but you still need to remind them not to trust any stranger they may come across.
After the pager incident in Lebanon they are still trusting Israeli Devs🤡
Because we all know who has actual power and bots and pull and it's not the Russians
@@vgamedude9811 Who is it? Spit it out! Qui? Qui?! Qui!????
Stop noticing
@@jake1173oy vey, the goyim know, shut it down
@@spacemeter3001 the juice
I hate politics, but if you don't participate in politics, then it will come for you anyway.
Same here. It's just a cesspool of anger whenever something involves politics.
Without a politically educated populace, democracy is dead. And such education doesn't come from watching CNN or Sky news. But from participating in some form of politics at some part of your life.
Politics is people you can't escape. Everything is politics. Choose not participate is a politic act.
That is how the humans organize themselves.
@@TheGabrielMoonexactly
@@TheGabrielMoon In Russia, a lot of people just have chosen not to participate and that's why it's so bad there. That is why you should participate.
good thing no other country would pay agents to put bugs and backdoors in the code
Actually it will increase because now its an enemy asset
Dude. If there was a backdoor, everyone would know about it pretty quickly.
@@baronhelmut2701 google "xz backdoor"
the nsa has no comment
@@baronhelmut2701 xz backdoor: ....
If the world responded to American aggression, which has been almost constant since its founding, the U.S. would be in ruins.
Very true
"Violence is a part of America’s culture. It is as American as cherry pie."
H. Rap Brown
Sooo true - and I think its time to put sanctions on US.
Not since it's founding.
@@raam1666 then what has been the watershed event?
The part about weaponizing Linux reminds me of the "purge of nazis" in NixOS, that ended with it's founder booted out of his own project - now seized by political activists. It's harder for something of that scale to happen with the Kernel, but clearly not impossible.
Well mentioned. OpenSuse, elementary and Asahi too. And now, the kernel guy himself. It's a long road to freedom.
It's only a question of time till Linus retires or has a government mandated unfortunate accident.
He is 54 he is not immortal, the Kernel is fundamentally doomed.
@@asdion It's the same situation as Valve actually. No matter what happens both Linus and Gabe have people they trust and know full well will continue doing what they've been doing for the foreseeable future with or without them in the picture.
@@asdionwould be better for him to leave right now instead of pulling dumb shit like this.
@@stanmarsh512what ever happened to Maximilien Robespierre, anyway? It’s like these far left revolutionaries always eat their own or something
Please don't use machine translated titles for other languages if you can't check their accuracy. In German, Betreuer is a correct translation of maintainer. However, in software jargon it's very common to keep using the English words. Most Germans in the field would simply translate maintainer as Maintainer.
If it was just the title. for me even the audio gets translated
@@Sahrawiyun You can change the audio track in the settings drop-down menu (gear symbol)
Still its annoying... Its the only channel where i have this auto Translation
Same in French.
right.. i was very confused
Are they going to remove tetris?
Tetris is technically owned by an American company now and Alexey lives in Seattle last time I heard.
@@AChannelFrom2006 That's what a good russian spy would do, sell it and move to US. Wouldn't he? But god forbid someone uses a ".ru" domain, which is technically owned, created and licensed by pentagon.
@@AChannelFrom2006 but it is Russian technology, pretty sure it has a lot of backdoors 🤣🤣🤣
@@AChannelFrom2006but he is Russian
Are they going to remove Google? Surgey is a Russian.
and how is "people submitting code at free will" == "supporting Russian aggression"?
The real surprise is that this is happening now and not two years ago.
well. it is not actually. russian linux community is one of the biggest in the CIS region. A and russian programmers are really, really good. Since Linus was bitching about "we have very few maintainers" last yeat it was a luxury to throw away this high level guys. Now they to, but Linus being a moron, who likes to talk shit just made situation way worse. If they were just removed, that would have been bad, but not this bad since it did paint Linus in a very shitty light. Was not the first time, though.
why the f will you remove a entire nation of people for the doings of a old fella "president"? stop being such a low-fov person
@@chevicus They can continue to contribute to the Linux kernel. And that's only 11 people. All the other Russians remained.
@@chevicus how can world live if newer versions of Linux kernels stop working on Baikal CPU!?? WHADAWEDOOO???
Political BS for sure.
I would not want to spend my lifetime perfecting something free only to get kicked out
it is reality of any social group. You can't avoid it, unless you do it all alone.
@@inevespace in any social group you work on something and get kicked out? lol keep this reality to yourself apologist
@@user-rz1hv there is possibility of it, get a grip
russians spend time perfecting linux -> they get kicked
linus spends time perfecting linux -> next in the queue
@@user-rz1hv it happens more often than you realize
Torvalds bias proved why GNU is More important than Linux kernel.
The entire Open Source is a sham to pollute FSF. But Linux is GNU. Sadly, the empire has stiked into the very heart of freedom of software.
You think the US Government can't get to Stallman?
Meanwhile Stallman being a .pdf
@@sveps8883 i love spreading out of context misinformation on the internet!!!
@@LordVarkson It's the biggest empire ofcourse it can take any living being on this planet, Bribe, Threaten or Assassinate people for their stand.
Thing is Ideas are bulletproof. What one provoking RU and CN for with such bans? Wanna enforce them to their own Linux Kernel? They can take all the code and the funny thing they can own everything without sharing the due credits. Is it good to have to such fragmented community? We dont want anyone's spying or malwares may it be US spying or the RU spying and the CN spying or the EU spying.
United we stand without excluding anyone, Divided we fall!
I am russian. And I am actually fine with all the sanctions on Russia and russian citizens. You do you, you have all the rights to do whatever you want, we have all the rights to respond. What I am not fine with is hypocrisy and double standards. Please, remind me the last time any western or western allied country was sanctioned for military intervention in another country? Or any example of such sanctions ever happening to western country after WW2? And also can we at least agree that from now on any country should be punished as much as Russia for any military intervention? Like, the next time US invades any other country, the US and US citizens will be sanctioned as much as Russia is right now? Something tells me this never gonna happen.
The US are hypocrites
Yes, war is bad and everyone knows it. But for some reason all people seemingly still accept some invasions which is not only double standards - it's just inhumane. ANY war is stupid and insane, why don't more people realize it
"Oh, an opinion that doesn't align with my world view? From a Russian?! Must be a troll on putin's payroll!!!"
- Linus probably
@@R1N23 Literally any country can sanction the US if they want to. Turns out they don't want to.
Im Swedish and this is exactly the kind of opinion I have on things. More people protested against the war in Iraq than the war in Ukraine, it was exactly as illegal as your war. Yet the US wasn't sanctioned. Israels war is probably the most illegal and brutal we have had since WW2, they aren't sanctioned. Its just hypocrisy.
So its better to understand its hypocrisy. We are in a "fight" . Our "side" is fighting "your" side and both sides use bullcrap narratives to trick their people.
Im sure Putin has his own type of bullcrap, this bullcrap about "international law" is for the western fool.
Why we are in a fight? Probably because our oligarchy wants to dominate your oligarchy and vice versa. Ordinary people lose out anyway.
F**k linux, F**k Windows, F**k Mac. Long live Temple OS....and BSD..
yes
Berkeley Software Distribution. Where is Berkeley? Hint: It's not in Russia ;)
bsds dont do stuff like this? idk im curious
there's also illumos but no idea how it's with politics
@@JanusTroelsen modern bsds are not made in berkeley, i dont think in russia either tho
In 3. 2. 1. LONG LIVE BSD!
Please stop using Russian state controlled slop. Use US state controlled slop instead lol
Out of the two evils, the choice would be rather easy to make.
Oh that reminds me. Linus is a Fin right? Finland and Russia have such a rich history.
Yes he is, and tbh, he's not wrong.
@@TheHorse_yes its true, Linus is not wrong, so many Finns are bringing up back their Nazi past.
omg russia bad !!!11!!1
@@4и1 finland has never been socialist or nationalist. finland itself is just a russianartificial creation to weaken sweden(done by the german ruling tsar in 1809)
@@4и1 typical commie response.
Linus Torvalds symbolize perfectly how a good visionary in one field can be intellectually limited in other.
I think in that case it's correct to call it autism
Opens the door for further (ab)use. That's clever
Oh my, We're still in W11... Are you from the future monsiour Windows 7137?
@@Wkaelx Im from the future and windows 77 can get you off if you subscribe to their subscription service for just 50$ a month!! Its very good for when im trying to get intimate with my AI girlfriend. Invest wisely my friend.
@@Wkaelx I am Windws (without o, high IQ middle schooler), but then UA-cam's new tag system added. Wanted to remove, then noticed "7" digit, twice
@@windws7137 Oh my, if you're a windows.... Then is Door your cousin? how does your family work?
Response kind of missed the point also, saying only one person has ability to remove so it can't really be abused.
But that one person didn't remove it by free unburdened choice.
This will only make FOSS supporters disinterested as technically a govt of one is dictating the devs sitting in another country to satisfy their whims.
If you involve politics here as well, things will definitely take a turn for worse for FOSS
This was a personal choice of the maintainer board of the linux kernel.
The government did not dictate "the devs sitting in another country". The devs are employees of major russian companies that are under sanctions because those companies are involved in a war. If/when the devs prove they no longer have ties with such companies, they will have a chance to apply for the maintainer role again.
@@ЯрославФ-ы7жwhen will US devs prove they aren't state agents?
@@ЯрославФ-ы7ж i don't think those companies have sanctions because they're involved in war. If that was the case, there would be sanctions placed all over the world. And its not even companies involved in this particular war. Its specifically any company that has money essentially. Its to freeze assets. having said that, the assets haven't been frozen but stolen. I don't see a difference between the two anyway. This is the US telling the rest of the world not to trust it with their assets. Not building a great future for the US and the dollar is now under threat of no longer being the international standard currency. That would demolish the US in the near future if it goes through and its looking pretty likely to happen within our lifetime.
Honestly, the hipocrisy from some people wearing rose-tinted glasses is baffling.
At first he implies it's a legal decision. Then he says " I'm Finnish. ... Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too." So which is it? A legal requirement, or Torvalds just being a bellend?
The second
probably it was a legal decision but he couldn't help to bring his own emotions and opinions into the matter (where they probably shouldn't be)
Open't source
Russians not allowed, but CIA and Mossad are allowed.
It depends on who has motivation to do bad things to you or your state.
At least for me CIA and Mossad are very far from the top of the list of things I should be scared of
based
And the chinese
@@Z3rgatul you certainly are naive` ...
And guess who can cause more trouble for you (as an American citizen) - the Russian government, or the US government? 🤔
Somehow I get vibes from that one interview where a question came up whether Linus was previously contacted by three letter agencies to incorporate backdoors in the kernel and he said yes while shaking his head in the horizontal direction.
Except this time, actual contributors received the boot.
shaking head has no meaning. It's not a contradiction. I can't recall that nonsense anyway. What actually is on film where he's asked if state agencies approached him to implement backdoors, he answered "no", next question was in the sense of "if agencies were to approach you, would you be allowed to talk about it or confirm it?" He answered "no". This tells a lot more than people realize. Linux is a pile of backdoors. Also, Linus "taking side" in the politics now means he's not in the business of preventing backdoors but implementing them. That would also answer the question how free software is able to pay thousands of experts.
Is there a link to this interview, please?
@@TheMotionsense this was long time ago, and available on youtube, long before anybody knew that ukraine wants to be a country, maybe 15 years ago. It was some official EU hearing of some sort, I believe. Similar to those with Zuckerberg. Not a press interview where he could lie, insult people and show his finger.
@@TheMotionsense I mean the real thing where he answers in plain English. Not sending secret messages with head movements, blinking and such.
he said no while nodding. His father, a member of the European parliament, commented on this too
Mentions “not a US thing”
and then in the next line mentions “sanctions” as “some kind of not a US thing” and also make the reader “go read it from other source if you don’t believe it so that when the reader read it he will think Linus was right- it wasn’t Linus it was the other sources” ahahah nice trick play.
Sanctions are also a EU thing, and UK, Japan, Korea, Aussi, and the list goes on.
@@snygg1993 All USA puppets, with the USA military bases in their land.
@@snygg1993 Let's not forget these countries represent similar interest groups.
@@pajeetsinghWell, half of Europe suffered under ruSSian occupation until ~1989 or so…
Killing ppl, plundering resources…
Naturally, having close contact with degenerated Moscal officers and whores they were married to, left some strong feelings among more civilised, but enslaved, nations…
@@pajeetsinghWell, half of Europe suffered under ruSSian occupation until ~1989 or so…
Killing ppl, plundering resources…
Naturally, having close contact with degenerated Moscal officers and whores they were married to, left some strong feelings among more civilised, but enslaved, nations…
Not even lying, my girlfriend told me one day that her best friends dad's was "the linux guy". I thought she was talking about maybe some guy that worked on linux. No, as it turns out, she is friends with Linus Torvalds daughters.
woah, what? really?
@@wa2k360 "subjecting"
You should work on your OPSEC
and why are you telling us this?
@@yierasimoswhy are you watching this video? LoL
Don't ask a Finn which side they were on during WW2.
Oh that's actually a fine addition to Linus comment about History lol.
Not Russian for sure.
@@mdjey2 Correct. That was about 40 years prior.
Although it's not entirely correct to say they sided with them as much as they were Russians to begin with.
The Finns were pretty much trying not to drown.
The cooperation between the Nazis and the Communists in 1939-1941 and the fact that Russia today is sending monkeys from North Korea to the war with Ukraine is a completely different matter, right?🤓
Not even the open source kernel devs can dodge the tech layoffs
LOL
Turned out it's neither decentralized nor neutral like they always tell you.
It is true that the United States has never, ever used this kind of backdoor to spy even on its allies. 🤣🤣🤣
they are gonna fork it and make their own version
Thats the point.
We already have an alt Linux and astra linux
@@xfiver359 they are powered by official linux kernel, but i am pretty sure they will transfer to the forked one
@@xfiver359 btw astra is shit. I don’t understand how they managed to turn one of the most stable distributions, I mean Debian, into a buggy piece of code. Just like in that joke about the russian and the three steel balls.
As for Alt Linux, I haven’t tried it personally, but judging by the reviews (especially in comparison with Astra), it’s just heaven and earth. Yes, it is a little specific and has its problems, but the distribution is really worthy of attention. So if there is a choice between the two, it is better to choose Alt.
From my understanding of IP in the realm of International Law, the US claiming RISC-V being a "US" thing isn't too far fetched, as much as I disagree with it.
They just mad that China can make an actual alternative to their hegemony of tech. Sure, it won't be as advanced, but at least it can do most basic stuff. Just look at the cell phone using unisoq SOCs, they aren't fast, but my god are they cheap, and they do the basic stuff just fine.
@@RERM001 most of the average Joes won't be doing advanced stuff with tech either. As long as the chip can execute their compiled binaries, they will remain happy
@@general_paul Yeah, some ZTE and Honor phones work well with them and they cost like less than $200. The only reason americans don't use them is because of sanctions which don't work because the rest of the world is fine with them. Basically they sanction the companies from providing a real competition to Apple and Google, thus ironically inflating tech prices there.
In 2019, the risc-v foundation moved to Switzerland because they "had concerns over U.S. trade regulations." Dunno if that means anything though.
@@RERM001 Their industry can progress and eventually make even better CPUs than current Intel's, but I don't see anything bad in this. Customers will just get more options
Isn't this basically just racism from Linus? That's way too agressive. I'm glad WSL exists
That russian spam you mentioned, is not russian. It's american. If you didn't figure that out by now, I can't help you.
"USA bad russia good"
Did they also remove Israeli maintainers?
But israel is just self defending from the dangerous newborns and unarmed civilians...
The letter agent glow so bright
Free software without freedom is just software
It wasn't just browsers. You even had two versions of Linux distros, regular and non-US version due to cryptography export ban. This was funky with SSH as that too came from Finland instead. End of 90's was weird time.
Unfounded hatred dressed up as compassion and solidarity. Virtue signaling at its finest.
How on earth some of the brightest minds turn out to be so obtuse? Pride is truly blinding I suppose...
Wow. Torvalds really ruined his reputation forever with this garbage mail. Congrats on drinking the cool-aid, Linus. Without the millions of contributors all over the world, Linux would have been an irrelevant empty OS.
Stallman did the majority of work on making free software what it is today and making desktop Linux. Linus just maintains the kernel. Yet when you think of Linux almost nobody remembers Stallman and everyone remembers and praises Linus for it
@@Cybergazer-n9o That's true GNU/LInux
This has been ongoing for years. In 2022, I witnessed many Russian colleagues losing their jobs in European tech firms. The real problem is that their talent is really missed, and some teams suffered huge losses in productivity, leading to some projects failing in 2023.
My god... i couldn't get what was happening with your voice speaking spanish till i realised youtube was AI translating the video to spanish, never happened to me before
That's crazy, didn't know UA-cam had that feature
I got french for some reason.
wow...
Ohh God! I didn't expect this from Linux.
I did. He has always been a weirdo and a jerk
I did expect it. He has been on the wrong path many years now.
removing russian mantainers is such an incredibly stupid thing
no its a good thing actually
"It's not racist if hate is towards Russians"
Many Westerners, apparently
I guess the American mind just cannot understand "Eastern Europe".
Zero chance, russian trolls and and american dumbfucks having a field day in the comments.
what do you expect from those retards
Isn't Linus Finnish American immigrant?
it cannot understand anything else tha USA
@@Lipp0-r5q You think he crossed the border down in mexico ?
*openSuse maintainers watching Linus being called a Nazi*
"Mein Freund"
Please disable auto generated audio tracks on your videos. I can't switch to the original one on youtube mobile..
I can, but the translated titles are really annoying.
agreed
I recomend using revanced extended client, it allows you to toggle this feature and many more.
use newpipe
Linus, just forced russians to make their own operating systems….and sw. And yes they do have enough good devs to do it
There is no such thing as benevolent dictatorship.
That's why we should oppose Putin.
Is there such thing as a benevolent king?
@@j100j I oppose all governments and all corporations. They all wanna F us in the A. Just some more than others.
@@j100j well we have supported many dictators and still currently do.. its jsut the dictators we cant get any thing from are bad.
@@j100jbut not the Saudi monarch right?
This sucks for the Software Community.
I think it's aganst the spirit of FOSS
It absolutely is FOSS as anyone is free to:
Run the program as they wish
Read the source code and make changes
Share the source code
Share the modified version
Which one of these is Linus breaking?
@@j100j Bro, the guy above you said it's against the SPIRIT of FOSS. Spirit!
@@omairtech6711 Do you even know what Linus did?
He made 11 people unable to approve changes. 11 people working for the russian government. They can still submit changes or contribute by finding bugs.
I don't know what part of that goes against the spirit of FOSS.
@@j100j Read the source code ("and") make changes?
you will never beleive this is a wrong move until you are removed from your project for similar reasons
Where are the Israel restrictions from Linus?
Isn't the FREEDOM from regulators the primary thing, that used to be the reason for which we moved from Windows? I don't want US sanction list on my opensource OS. 🤦♂
Бля, когда уже интернет наконец станет свободен от зоофилов?
@@Rhh-sj3kp квутой, по одной автатарке дал диагноз 🤡
@ISHU_cute опа, еще одна зooфильская рожа отметилась - давай, расскажи, как сообщество извращенцев, у 99% участников которого хер стоит на антропоморфных животных (doi: 10.1007/s10508-018-1303-7), "никак не связано с зooфилией"
Linus boy's brain stuck in 1940's
The least you could offer is an homage to those maintainers for their contribution.
Kaspersky is guilty just for being efficient
I gotta admit, because of lack of experience I've never contributed to any open-source project, and can't speak for certain, but I think this is exactly the opposite of what open source stands for?
Open source stands for being able to get software into people's hands, which it can't do if 50+ countries ban it for violating sanctions.
@@theredscourge There was no legal requirements for this its just linus being an idiot
@@baranbeytemur5451 Everyone who makes software available to Russia or Belarus which contains encryption software classified under ECCN 5D002 has to basically ask the NSA first right now. If the NSA says no, do you think they're going to be happy with Russian employees of sanctioned entities be writing the code if they can't even export it to Russia?
well, that is depressing.
I'm Russian. Rn I'm using a pirated version of Windows, and for quite a while I was thinking about switching my main PC to Linux-based OS - after all, I already have a small rig for work purposes with Astra Linux installed. Now I'd think twice about that, and I'm sure that many other people will too. Congrats to Linus, he managed to turn people away from the community not even by the fact that some guy was caught in the political crossfire because of government demands, but by the fact that he openly stated that we aren't welcome here. Because the thing an open-source platform devoted to give freedom to PC users definetly needs is national discrimination... Right?
Well, not that it matters anyways. It was a shitty move, but I suppose that the best thing we can do is just note that the author may be an asshole even if the product is good, and just start forking the software. Btw, regarding that: Astra Linux is a bad choice for Westerners because it's mostly meant for government and military use, with all the consequences that come with it. I should worry about Western backdoors on my work rig more than about Russian ones, and that's the sole reason why I use it. Though, common folks work on such projects too, so keep your eyes open.
"national discrimination" bruh. Интересно, когда росияне поймут, что подобная "дискриминация" идёт в первую очередь по МЕСТУ ПРОЖИВАНИЯ. Да, ты живёшь в РФ, платишь налоги, тем самым спонсируя правящую партию, и деньги налогоплательщиков идут также на ВПК и ВС. В том и заключается свободное ПО, что создатель этого самого ПО может делать чё хочет с командой разработки, разве что код должен быть открытым для ВСЕХ. И да, если ты будешь каким-нибудь русским с гражданством США или любой другой страны которая не КНДР/Иран/КНР(?) и не будешь гордится тем что ты "русский", то всё будет хорошо, я полагаю
@eruvin3 в таком случае, что прикажешь делать: уехать в другую страну, бросив друзей и родных как последний мудак, что по части морали ещё хуже поддержки правительства? Перестать платить налоги и уйти жить в лес, что по факту является тем же самым? Те, кто может без последствий для окружающих свободно выбирать место жительства в соответствии с политическими взглядами - меньшинство. Либо от них и так никто не зависит, либо у них есть достаточно денег чтобы не испытывать проблем, связанных с потерей стабильного дохода и тратами на переезд.
О свободном ПО уже сказано - главный плюс в том, что его можно спокойно форкнуть. Того, что поступок Линуса мудацкий, это не отменяет - конкретно эти люди старались на благо сообщества и их удалили исключительно из-за российских почтовых ящиков и имён, хотя один если я не ошибаюсь вообще живёт в Казахстане, по поздним данным. О гражданстве вообще не задумывались, это именно что национальная дискриминация.
This channel seems to be the only tech community left with any integrity.
There goes my plan to switch to Linux
Understandable...
I agree with bro very true free software shall be keep free and opensource no matter who the developers are if someone has problem with this check the code is open!
i still think that is the right way to go about this problem. It will create a great deal of overhead cross checking each and every commit. But that has to be done eitherway by someone or the other. Also whats stopping USA or any nato nation for that matter from adding malicious code into linux. This thought process of linus is fueled by personal bias and haste. Does not solve the actual problem at hand.
Прощай, Линус. Ты был умным парнем, пока не начитался новостей
You do not need a "Russian-friendly IP address" to download Kaspersky, you need a non-US IP.
Not enough. Things are less than straight forward, there seem to be a ghost in the router. Ex customer.
@@iRelevant.47.system.boycott Muh Russians!!
>>whatever mush you call brains
...
the wrinkles help you think, Linus. Something your smoothbrain lacks.
Ironical coming from someone parroting post 2016 election fake talking points.