Commodore 1571 / 128D Frankenstein

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  • Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
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    0:00 Intro
    2:41 Fitment
    5:25 Power
    8:25 Drive LED
    11:07 Serial IEC
    16:38 Tests
    19:50 Logic (non)issue
    24:11 Summary of changes
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  • @wimwiddershins
    @wimwiddershins 15 днів тому +3

    This is just my type of shenanigans. Always good to know what could get an old C=128 up and running again.

  • @ownpj
    @ownpj 15 днів тому +2

    2:08 You only need the Serial Shift Register, Interupt, and TimerA in your 1571 CIA. You can sub in an Amiga 8520 CIA, or any 6526A chips you might have even if they have faulty IO ports.

  • @g4z-kb7ct
    @g4z-kb7ct 15 днів тому +7

    A few years ago I fully reversed the 1581 board and made an identical 1:1 reproduction. If the guy with the rotten 1571 board sends it to me I'll reverse it and make the PCB files and gerbers open-source.

    • @TheRetroChannel
      @TheRetroChannel  15 днів тому +1

      He tried to leave a comment but it was automatically removed by UA-cam 😒
      You can find him in my discord server (link is in the description)

    • @g4z-kb7ct
      @g4z-kb7ct 14 днів тому +2

      @@TheRetroChannel Yeah he got hold of me. I don't do discord, waste of time ;-)

    • @g4z-kb7ct
      @g4z-kb7ct 14 днів тому +2

      @@TheRetroChannel Had a chat. You won't believe it, he lives only about 1km from me in the same suburb a couple of streets away lol!

  • @herdware
    @herdware 15 днів тому +2

    Huh, I always thought the boards were the same in a 1571 an a C128. Never did check though. Fwiw, I would just have run an IEC cable between the connectors for a test like this. :)

  • @charlesdorval394
    @charlesdorval394 15 днів тому +1

    Oh wow, I wouldn't have thought of shoving the header in the connector that way! Thanks !

  • @michaelcarey
    @michaelcarey 15 днів тому +1

    Great research. You are right, reverse engineering old Commodore PCBs isn't easy. I went through this with a PCB design guru a few years ago to make a replica SX-64 I/O PCB. If you don't have access to someone with the requisite skills it's a monumental task.

  • @RavenWolfRetroTech
    @RavenWolfRetroTech 15 днів тому

    Very cool. I suspect that the 6th pin is the shield on the din connector which has little effect if you are not using a shielded cable.

  • @WhatHoSnorkers
    @WhatHoSnorkers 12 днів тому

    Great repairing!

  • @donaldblakley6796
    @donaldblakley6796 15 днів тому

    Excellent video. Another one saved! U are very smart/intelligent. Great work and troubleshooting. 5 stars

  • @herbertwongsanimations6266
    @herbertwongsanimations6266 15 днів тому +1

    Made me sad for culling my C128D years ago. 😢

  • @JohnGotts
    @JohnGotts 14 днів тому

    Good video. I've wondered for decades how much that built in drive differs from the 1571. The answer: Not much.

  • @horstszibulski19
    @horstszibulski19 15 днів тому

    Great job, makes me wonder that no one tried this before...
    👍👍👍

  • @g4z-kb7ct
    @g4z-kb7ct 15 днів тому +2

    17:07 Autoboot only works on a disk that has a special file to make it autoboot. There's a section in the 1571 and 1581 manual about it. Basically the file is 'COPYRIGHT CBM 86.USR' and that file is autobooted if found.

    • @TinySmall69
      @TinySmall69 15 днів тому

      Hi, what the C128 does for booting is drive independent, it also works with a 1541, it just loads sector 1,0 and if the pattern matches the first few bytes it takes it as a Boot-sector, that's also how it boots CP/M,
      the 1581 on the other hand has more options to boot, it also can boot software into the drives Ram and execute it there, that's where the filename comes into play, and that's computer independent

  • @svenpetersen1965
    @svenpetersen1965 15 днів тому

    About that LED connector: you could eject the crimp terminals from the crimp housing and rearrange them in the required way. Using ready made Dupont cables is a good thing. You could get some crimp housings and just swap the single pin housings for a fitting (here 7 pin) crimp housing. That might be mechanically more stable. Or you secure the connector with a drop of silicon glue (which can be cut open easily, if required).

    • @TheRetroChannel
      @TheRetroChannel  15 днів тому

      Ah yeah true, probably a good idea if it was installing it permanently.

  • @paszTube
    @paszTube 15 днів тому

    lol'd at the unmatched probe connectors!

  • @KAPTKipper
    @KAPTKipper 15 днів тому +2

    Sounds like a ROM in the C128D is different.

    • @TheRetroChannel
      @TheRetroChannel  15 днів тому

      The ROMs used for the 128D drive and the 1571 are identical.

  • @Colin_Ames
    @Colin_Ames 13 днів тому

    Very entertaining. What would we do without Dupont connectors?

  • @starsundsternchen802
    @starsundsternchen802 14 днів тому

    15:42 "gut" 😂 I like You speaking German!

  • @shangrilai1990
    @shangrilai1990 15 днів тому +2

    🍪

  • @KrautRockt
    @KrautRockt 15 днів тому

    Hello, a great experiment with the c128. I think it's very interesting. A question: "Does anyone know about the original C65 (!) and a way to deactivate the internal drive? So that I could operate an IEC2SD module? And can you operate a C64 module on a C65 with a C16 adapter? I would be for All suggestions are very grateful. Kind regards, all the best and thanks for the clip. Greetings to all retro technology fans. PS: sorry for my lousy english..😞 your RoboTronic64 from Chemnitz...

    • @g4z-kb7ct
      @g4z-kb7ct 15 днів тому

      if you own a real and working c65 you are one of about maybe 3 people. Meaning no one knows anything or has any experience with it except those 3 people and highly likely 2 of them are not watching this vid or reading your comment ;-)
      One way could be to change the device number on the internal drive using the usual solder blob jumpers (or software commands) to device 9 and then use the sd2iec as device 8. Another way is use the sd2iec as device 9.

  • @patriziopolcri995
    @patriziopolcri995 15 днів тому

    Great work man! I have a 128D without ready cursor in 128 mode: looking this video I now suppose is due to a non working floppy, not a broken cia as I imagined 😞

    • @TheRetroChannel
      @TheRetroChannel  15 днів тому +1

      I'd still suspect the CIA. Does the keyboard work at all, or does it show a cursor in 64 mode?
      You could always disconnect the IEC cable going to the floppy controller board to disable it (assuming it is not the DCR version)

    • @patriziopolcri995
      @patriziopolcri995 14 днів тому +1

      ​@@TheRetroChannel if I remember well the keyboard worked in 64 mode ...but I didn't try any floppy with it because I would like to clean the drive before, so now I will try to disconnect the floppy, mine is not a DCR..thank you for now

  • @wa4aos
    @wa4aos 15 днів тому

    Sorry, but unless you document all of the changes, down the road, the owner then. will have an UN-repairable KLUDGE. Which will not be cost effective to take the time to repair. Reverse engineering is one thing but jury-rigging is something very different.