I wanna point out that plenty of bees in this movie wear normal shirts except Barry, who wears a sweater with his own stripes printed on it. This implies that Barry is wearing the equivalent of those t shirts with a buff torso or a bikini body on it.
No, I see it more as wearing a Peach-colored shirt. Sure, it's mildly confusable for flesh tones (Well, for white-skinned humans, anyways), but it's not really the same.
'Really, this musclebaby is not powerful - atl all. Rather, he's clinging to a sense of power that has already escaped him. This bee ... is cucking him.' Those might be the greatest three sentences uttered by mankind.
The Bee Movie is 95 minutes long and the word bee is said 173 times, if we multiply 173 with Big Joel's video length of 25.10 and the films running time of 95 minutes we get 4,437.30 minutes in run time and dividing 4,437.30 by 60 (an hour) we get a total run time in hours of 73.95!
Oh, the kind of asshole that while driving on the highway sees a group of workers standing on the side looking like 'they are not doing anything' (while in reality they have very specific roles and they are just waiting for each other in order to not get in their own way) and thinks "lazy union workers..."
A whiny middle class white guy who’s more invested in his illusory freedom to have a moderately comfortable place and some commodities in a rigid hierarchy than actual, tangible liberation of literal slaves from horrific conditions even though he could have all of the things he has now if the slaves were liberated and the system changed? Never seen that before.
Dont really agree with that Adam essentially says not that their exploitation is right, but that honey, as the product of their labor, is the raison d'être of the bee. Their labor is dignified. Doesnt matter who gets it, making honey is both means and end
That's not really a great scene. It's a meme sure but aside from that it has no value. That's like saying the most iconic scene in The Dark Knight is "tangerines"
Implying that sex and gender are the same thing. Come on, clearly most of the bees we see on screen (including every main bee character) are female but the bees have an idea of gender that is almost, if not completely, divorced from sex
Joel, it warms my cold heart when you give smart, eloquent commentary sprinkled with phrases like “bee chads” and “muscle baby” said with complete earnest sincerity.
Jordan Beeterson is a quack who mixes science with pseudoscience in order to make the pseudoscience look more legitimate. He purposefully exploits outrage for the sake of profit and the big Joel bee movie deserves better
@@E4439Qv5 Beginning of May and people are protesting the quarantine and the president of the United States is telling people to inject themselves with cleaning products. So the world is still cucked.
25 minutes of deep and complex analysis of a movie I only saw once in my childhood and didn't even appreciate at the time but keep comin and comin into my life trough collective consciousness. What a great time to bee alive.
In this series Big Joel: 1) Makes insightful content about interesting things that don't get talked about as much as they deserve 2) Is a big sweetie 3) Serves as eyecandy to draw the viewer in 4) Reminds us all of how bizarre and awesome DreamWorks was 5) Affirms my political beliefs in an oblique way 6) is very cute
i came to the channel when he didn't show his face yet so it's weird looking at him all the time now. i got used to it and it's nice now but the first time he did it was so disorienting. those eyes baby!
@@babahu15 Can you imagine him talking to you about, like, regular stuff? "Hey, I'm gonna go and get some milk, and maybe also a carton of eggs, because I think we're out." Me: "WHY ARE YOU SO GODDAMN EARNEST AND INTENSE ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU SAY?!"
Those beekeepers were so outwardly aggressive and hateful to the bees, and like, most beekeepers love bees. They definitely don't talk about knocking bees out and stealing their honey while maniacally laughing.
@@IM2OFU wheres that information from? I'm genuinely interested, all I can find in terms of sources on honey farms harming their bees are peta and other similar organisations.
"this bee is cucking him"... a series of words i never expected to hear in this combination. I do like this movie, mostly because seeing what happens to a world without bees to 8 year old me was an experience. And now I guess with the added interpretation of the social hierarchy of cartoon bees. Thanks.
You should talk about my absolute favorite movie if all time: Robots. Only after I've aged like a fine wine have I noticed how it's a movie for the working class and I only appreciate it that much more.
I think you miss a thing about Adam the bee talked about around 19:30. Adam is middle class. Within capitalist societies you get people who are working class in the sense that they are exploited in the capitalist mode of production, but are provided enough material wealth to see themselves as benefiting from the system. Think of well paid workers like doctors and engineers. The middle classes have a tendency to support the capitalist system despite the fact that they are exploited by it, which Adam seems to be doing. It's not a position that makes "no sense from any perspective", it's about the most common political position held by people in the US, after all. But the way middle class politics is complicit in and (perceives itself to) benefit from class oppression *is* antithetical to the revolutionary goals of the protagonist, as to any revolutionary politics in real life, and the point of Adam is to show this opposition.
Well said! The role of the middle class is a (ahem) rich enough subject that it could easily warrant dedicated examination. For that matter, these Dreamworks vids could act as a great primer for a larger series, where +BigJoel explores other, more "nuanced" power structures like education, law enforcement, religion etc. Ideally (as with all things) through the lens of Sinistar, but trash movies works too.
Yes! I believe it was George Carlin who said: the rich do none of the work, pay none of the taxes; the middle class do all of the work, pay all of the taxes; and the poor are there to scare the shit out of the middle class.
I really like Joel, but I think this is a common trend in their videos. They are almost perfect but they always miss something that, funnily, matches his view entirely. I think this could be because either a) he doesn't want to give a reading that isn't self sustained (unlikely, given he js, after all, an essayist), or b) he needs someone to give a second read to his scripts. Or maybe he should give it a rest to their scripts and edit it, but that's implying he doesn't do it already, and I don't want to assume that.
With miss I don't mean he doesn't mention it (I would never peg an essayist wrong for just not mentioning something I want) I mean it exactly like in this video, he mentions something and says it doesn't make sense, even when it really does if you just change the focus a bit.
The one thing that always confused me about this movie was the “nothing gets pollinated” scene is that honey bees are not the only pollenators that exist, such as: birds, butterflies, indigenous bees, etc. So that dead flower scene never made sense to me
In fact an argument can be made that bees make it worse Im pretty sure the species of bee that barry belongs to is an invasive species They had to wipe out the polinaters that were already there (and were better at actually polinating)
I was just amused by how the flowers at a flower show could apparently pollinate every vegetable species in the world. (Also if it was that easy, why didn't the humans do that before the lack of bee pollination became an issue? In this 'honeybees are the world's primary pollinators everywhere apparently' world, this problem was very foreseeable.)
So I wasn't gonna say this, and since I'm only 3:30 minutes in I dunno if you said it, but the fact you called the bees that go outside Chads pushed me over the edge. I'm pretty sure that in honey bee hives, the worker bees are all infertile female bees, which makes the fact that they are portrayed as big buffy guys hilarious to me. In fact, there's a running theme in animated movies about bees and ants that they will always focus on a male, regardless of whether that makes sense for the species and social role the character plays.
Really it's more like three sexes of bees. Queen, drone, worker. There's no reason to try to fit them into a sex binary when they really shouldn't be, I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with doing that even when it doesn't make the most sense
@@alexkiddo5855 You make a good point, but I still contend that the bit in my comment about eusocial insect movies always focusing on a male character holds :P
im terrified why is Joel treating the bee movie like a movie and not the collective fever dream it is. he says "he's getting cucked by a bee" like its a normal thing for a kids movie someone please help
Bee Movie but Big Joel analyses it unironically in front of an unironed tablecloth, and he still uses his phone to film even though he has 150K subscribers now
"and lucky for us, Bee Movie is a kind of brilliant film." i know literally nothing else about your channel but that's an instant subscription from me.
Okay I haven't seen this movie recently or anything but I feel the point where the bees start making honey "because they want to" doesn't really work that way in the movie. The bees throw off the oppression of slavery and just stop making honey altogterh which is a problem because nature starts dying immediately. WHat saves the day is not bees going back to making honey because they wanna, but because they realise they can sell it. They realise they have a monopoly and decide to exploit this fact by selling honey to humans and returning to honey production to keep up with demand. It's not quite the brave, subversive ending you make it out to be, in my opinion. The movie still ends up saying that the bees need to be forced to work through violence, just not the direct, physical violence of slavery but throgh the indirect, economic violence of capitalism. Buuuuuut that doesn't detract from the rest of the video which I liked a ton. Thanks, Joel.
I think it's up for interpretation. Even if the bees end up selling it, that is still a revolutionary idea. They now have the means of production and call the shots. That is possible better than simply sitting around on a honey surplus.
@@emperorleroy6747 Okay, but without their naturally produced honey to feed themselves. they have to switch to syrup or other artificial substances, with unknown health risks. This means that even though they obtain great wealth, it would only harm their future generations and splinter honey society into capitalists and traditionalists.
I spent my whole life thinking the bee movie was just a random film from my childhood but really it was a movie that advocated anarchy, Marxism and vegan ethics?.............. Mind blown
Big Joel says everything, joke, explanation, serious point, everything, in the same voice. It’s fantastic. He just says the dumbest shit the same way as everything else. Very good, best boy
Dreamworks peaked with Megamind. Also, Bee Movie makes more sense through the lens of a Seinfeld film than a Dreamworks one. It feels more like a sitcom than an adventure and the focus is more on character dynamics and comedic situations than meta social commentary.
its weird how shrek shrek 2 and 4 kung fu panda 1 and 2 madagascar 1 and 2 and megamind exist but inbetween that we got shark tale sinbad king of seas bee movie monster vs aliens and shrek the third .dreamworks was very up and down back then....
A lot of this seemed oddly reminiscent of the most recent How To Train Your Dragon movie. It ends with Hiccup accepting a full segregation of humans and dragons, even though Birk was able to live in harmony with them for years, because of figures seeking to capture them. Effectively that's just saying that the hierarchy hiccup removed in the first movie and fought against others attempting to instil in the second was misguided and actually these two classes can't coexist in mutually beneficial manner.
i know this comment is 4 years old but i remember watching that movie in theaters and being genuinely shocked by its messaging. id love to see a thorough breakdown of it if it doesnt exist already
You're ability to draw your analysis to conclusions that are life-affirming and inspiring, beyond simply theorizing for the sake of theorizing, is really astounding, Joel. Thank you for what you make!
You and Jack Saint among a few others are doing a brilliant job of creating a post-Gramscian analysis of popular culture for all us malcontents trying to make sense of this world. Thanks for that.
im going to miss this video series! you always seem so genuine when you talk about these movies and i hope you continue to make videos about things you truly enjoy
I absolutely love it when some dude on youtube puts more effort in thinking about the themes of a movie than the people who actually produced the movie. It's just awesome and it shows that a piece of media doesn't need to be deep and complex to be worth engaging with. You can get some 'intellectual brain food' out of almost everything. I really, really want to see your take on the Emoji Movie. It is so soulless and stupid, obviously just a big ad, but its stories has some really interesting implications I don't think the producers were aware of.
Maybe the importance is in choosing where you want to be in life. If you want to go beyond expectations that's great, but if you are happiest living your life exactly where society expects, that's fine too. I'm sure there are other examples, but from my own experience, people look down on housewives because people percieve them as not striving for more, but some are just fulfilled by caring for their families, even if part of society thinks the housewife should find it oppressive. The fish and the animals didn't have things that bad, and neither did shrek by ogre standards, so after they explored other options, they discovered home was what made them happy. The Bees on the other hand were treated poorly and made a choice to change. I LOVE this series but would like to hope DreamWorks is inspiring the ideals of both ambition and gratitude, and not remaining in one's place to protect the status quo.
The issue isn't so much the fact that people can find happiness in the situation they're in it's just that when there is an artificial hierarchy in place that denies people their freedom than their complacency is allowing that system to prolong its existence. The animals have lost the part of the forest that provided them with food, the fish are still serving under a capitalistic and racially divided system and the Fairytale beings would have been kept segregated and forced live in squaller if Sherk didn't indirectly depose of Farquaad.
Why are woodland creatures caring about politics when their own habitat isn't even in order? Can't you see how stealing nachos leads to chaos and nihilism?
I've really enjoyed your series on Dreamworks movies, and I think they've helped me understand why I like Dreamworks movies generally better than I like Pixar movies. Now, obviously Pixar movies are better made in an absolute sense. Mauler's robot probably would rate them higher or whatever. But I think in this video you get at the fundamental core of Dreamworks' philosophy, that the world must change for our characters to be happy, and the things that hold our society back are some false understanding of the past as idyllic, while Pixar seems to say that the world is changing no matter what we do, and we must find our place in a darker, more miserable future, or die.
The significance of Barry talking to a human and it just being completely okay flew over my head when I first saw it. But I did find myself asking, "wait, why aren't bees supposed to talk to humans again?"
I kinda love that this is what my life as an adult has become. Standing at a bus stop, watching an intellectual video essay about the nuances of Bee Movie. A movie I have only had the pleasure of watching due to my children liking anything bright and colourful. Yet here I am, nodding along.
This comment will be lost to the aether, so I will refrain from typing out the essay I want to make here. The most important observation I can make about Bee Movie is simply to point out the way it geometrically decays. That is, it establishes concepts, introducing characters and plots, and right as it is getting to some point it collapses and changes direction. This happens 3 times, and as a result you end up with what feels like 4 stories, each playing out faster and more confusingly than the last. It starts out in bee world. It spends a lot of time building up and explaining bee society. It sets up all the bee pieces on this black and yellow chess board. And then it gets thrown out the window. Barry gets pulled into a chaotic whirlwind that lands him in front of a new group of characters and then, confusingly, the alternate world slice of life story becomes the one about star crossed lovers. Once this dynamic gets established just well enough for people to believe it's actually happening, it suddenly becomes a courtroom procedural. Once the case is won, it's an apocalyptic event that needs to be stopped with a hiest of sorts that seems entirely set up to give a visual gag to accompany the opening line about bees not being able to fly. All these things are only linked by two things, the first being circumstance and the second being the bee movie script into which that circumstance is written. That is to say, there is no reason for things to happen in this movie, not even to advance the plot because the plot is treated as completely disposable. I think that's why people stop and play the nutshack song every time they say bee. Because you're not supposed to watch this movie. You can get the whole gist in 10 minutes and the premise only breaks down more the further you watch.
Sargon if you don't wanna participate in Bee movie discourse, because 'who cares,' please refrain from commenting or making a response video about this.
Would you believe me if I said there was another person who had as much fun? Because, oh man, Quinton Reviews has a great time with Bee Movie. In a different way, of course. Highly recommend as companion Bee Movie material.
My grandad became a bee keeper after he retired, so this movie haunted me as a 7 year old, honest I felt really guilty because I liked wearing the suit
I really like the way he thinks about and analizes things. Every video is super interesting to me and they always end in surprinsgly deeper messages than I had thought of initially. Definitey favourite youtuber right now!
I haven’t started this video yet, but I want to say that Bee Movie is unironically one of my favorite movies and I have seen it more times than any other movie.
Honestly, the big reasons I dislike this movie are like the complete lack of acknowledgement of how bees actually work and I just generally don't like Jerry Seinfeld (and I find it hard to sympathize with Barry because he sounds like him) more than a genuine feeling of "It is garbage".
just binged a ton of your videos. wanna say thanks for speaking out loud the names of each part of your video essays; so many people just put a title card and assume everyones watching when theyre just listening
i don't know how i feel about the use of "chad" unironically also not sure about "cuck" unironically? am i overthinking this deep dive of the bee movie
Don't know. It makes sense and fits the context of what he was describing so I'm fine with it. BigJoel has always had a casual vibe about him too, so I guess I'm fine with it
These videos are really great. I honestly love how Joel talks about this stuff. Sort of just interpreting it in terms of its themes and writing and not really passing judgement on it. I hope we get more of these to come.
This was really good. Big Joel with another thought provoking and heartfelt look at something I never even thought was worthy of criticism. The discussion honestly makes me appreciate the film in a way I never would have guessed
I guess you are reading from a script and you might believe your voice doesn’t sound natural or something. But no! It’s great! It’s actually nice to listen to. It sounds robotic but in a good way! Don’t change it!
I wanna point out that plenty of bees in this movie wear normal shirts except Barry, who wears a sweater with his own stripes printed on it. This implies that Barry is wearing the equivalent of those t shirts with a buff torso or a bikini body on it.
And his entire closet is filled with those types of shirts
@@royalblanket What a blinding red flag someone who ONLY owns buff body T shirts would be
No, I see it more as wearing a Peach-colored shirt. Sure, it's mildly confusable for flesh tones (Well, for white-skinned humans, anyways), but it's not really the same.
Literally all of the bees wear stripes besides the drill sargeant
You are a true scholar my friend
'Really, this musclebaby is not powerful - atl all. Rather, he's clinging to a sense of power that has already escaped him. This bee ... is cucking him.'
Those might be the greatest three sentences uttered by mankind.
12:11
"He's getting with his girlfriend and inserting himself into"
me: oh no
"...his life"
me: oh ok
i burst out laughing in the middle of the street
Bee Movie will always be an ICONIC Fever Dream because of these three lines.
*_CUCKED BY A BEE. IT'S HIP TO FUCK BEES._*
❗350 original sentences remain.
that awkward moment when you try to make a movie about bees and accidentally make a marxist text about worker exploitation......featuring bees
Bee movie wasn't supposed to be a movie about bees, it was supposed to be a movie about B movie plots.
I bee what you did there
bluishwolf how beetiful.
Um, yeah. "Accidentally." Sure. He "accidentally" marxed it up 😂
**veganism
Bee Movie, but every time someone says “bee”, Big Joel explains how the movie explores stuff.
Jimmy Seaver Have you seen the Ideas Channel video? It’s like 12 hours long and it’s literally that 😂
The Bee Movie is 95 minutes long and the word bee is said 173 times, if we multiply 173 with Big Joel's video length of 25.10 and the films running time of 95 minutes we get 4,437.30 minutes in run time and dividing 4,437.30 by 60 (an hour) we get a total run time in hours of 73.95!
Dreamworks, but the further down the trash trilogy Joel gets, the more he becomes like Jordan Peterson.
@@b.parker1740 well good luck with that! *cry on webcam*
Bruce Parker Jordan Bee Peterson?
Adam is the kind of guy that complains about unions while having a comfortable office job with good hours and a friendly boss.
Oh, the kind of asshole that while driving on the highway sees a group of workers standing on the side looking like 'they are not doing anything' (while in reality they have very specific roles and they are just waiting for each other in order to not get in their own way) and thinks "lazy union workers..."
@@Lambda_Ovine lmao why is this so common
spot on appraisal, fuck that stupid bee
A whiny middle class white guy who’s more invested in his illusory freedom to have a moderately comfortable place and some commodities in a rigid hierarchy than actual, tangible liberation of literal slaves from horrific conditions even though he could have all of the things he has now if the slaves were liberated and the system changed?
Never seen that before.
Dont really agree with that
Adam essentially says not that their exploitation is right, but that honey, as the product of their labor, is the raison d'être of the bee. Their labor is dignified. Doesnt matter who gets it, making honey is both means and end
"the most iconic scene in the movie"
completely overlooking "YA LIKE JAZZ", i'm disappointed
Jemmy Weens I KNOWWWW
I saw a bumper sticker that had Barry with the words, "You like Jazz?"
Yessss
That's not really a great scene. It's a meme sure but aside from that it has no value. That's like saying the most iconic scene in The Dark Knight is "tangerines"
LOL yes, and the intro too! 😆
So proud of Comrade Big Joel for finally providing a materialist analysis of the conditions facing the Beelatariat
The Breadman way to fight the bourgeoisbee
The Conquest of Honey
@@gil5885 Does that mean Joel will have to pour honey over his face as the ritual demands.
Cause I would be very fine with that.
long live the beelatariat beevolution
“Beelatariat” does this mean humans are just called “pro”?
Is it too much to ask for an accurate anthropomorphization of bees where all of them are female except for the disposable breeding males?
As a disposable male, I approve this message.
I mean barry as a butch lesbian bee cucking the character that represents the capitalist patriarchy would only strengthen the film's message
thank you! I get so angry every time I think about bee movie.... where are the outraged gamers crying about realism now??? lmao
Implying that sex and gender are the same thing. Come on, clearly most of the bees we see on screen (including every main bee character) are female but the bees have an idea of gender that is almost, if not completely, divorced from sex
@@unknownname328 i like the idea of this interpretation but it's still in service of a film with a majority male cast
Joel, it warms my cold heart when you give smart, eloquent commentary sprinkled with phrases like “bee chads” and “muscle baby” said with complete earnest sincerity.
"Artificial hierarchies"
*Jordan "Lobsterman" Petereon wants to know your location*
Consider the Queen Bee. No wait, ignore that.
- vaska. Jordan BEEterson
Tricia Melia Beedan Bee Beeterbee
Jordan Beeterson is a quack who mixes science with pseudoscience in order to make the pseudoscience look more legitimate. He purposefully exploits outrage for the sake of profit and the big Joel bee movie deserves better
If "man spends 25 minutes discussing the socio-philosophical importance of the Bee movie" doesn't become a meme I'm going to be really surprised
Internet: Meme about 12 year old movie
Joel: Consciousness shifting video essay you say
Hey I'm from the future (2020), and not only will it not become a meme but it's the beginning of February and the world has almost ended like 3 times.
@@oliverluke2363 Beginning of March now, and the world is still apparently in danger.
Wash your hands more, and stop touching your face.
@@E4439Qv5 Beginning of May and people are protesting the quarantine and the president of the United States is telling people to inject themselves with cleaning products.
So the world is still cucked.
@@imani7979 End of May and........ wow.
25 minutes of deep and complex analysis of a movie I only saw once in my childhood and didn't even appreciate at the time but keep comin and comin into my life trough collective consciousness. What a great time to bee alive.
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In this series Big Joel:
1) Makes insightful content about interesting things that don't get talked about as much as they deserve
2) Is a big sweetie
3) Serves as eyecandy to draw the viewer in
4) Reminds us all of how bizarre and awesome DreamWorks was
5) Affirms my political beliefs in an oblique way
6) is very cute
Do you mean to say that he's an objectively hot troubadour?
What? Those are all true
i came to the channel when he didn't show his face yet so it's weird looking at him all the time now. i got used to it and it's nice now but the first time he did it was so disorienting. those eyes baby!
babahu15 some eyes just want to be stared into 😍 (while excruciatingly analysing Bee Movie)
@@babahu15 Can you imagine him talking to you about, like, regular stuff? "Hey, I'm gonna go and get some milk, and maybe also a carton of eggs, because I think we're out." Me: "WHY ARE YOU SO GODDAMN EARNEST AND INTENSE ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU SAY?!"
"Rough trilogy" was my Moms codename for me and my two sisters
This is layered
Turn it around and become a badass super team
What are you doing stepbro
Same. Only all three of us are sisters. Ha, ha. Got you there, OP. I think.....
...I nearly misread that as "'Rough trilogy' was your Mom's codename last night"...
Who's this objectively hot troubadour and why is he shouting at me
holy shit lmao you're 100% right
Masculinity serves him well.
@@poposterous236 you get an unironic like for that!
He looks like a baby with a beard
@@nifralo2752 I think it's the way he talks and moves his head that makes him babylike
Big Joel Drinking Game:
Drink every time your heart is warmed by a newfound appreciation of something you were previously apathetic towards.
You would die like 10 times
@SomethingScanning I want to make fanart of his adorable face
don't want to die of alcohol poisoning
for realz partna
I wish I were half as insightful as Big Joel.
"Lord Duloc" boi I know you didn't forget Farquaad's name omg
I’m sorry!!!
You mean Lord Maximus Farquaad?
*_E_*
HIS NAME IS MARKIPLIER
I assumed he didn't want to sound like he's saying that other word.
Those beekeepers were so outwardly aggressive and hateful to the bees, and like, most beekeepers love bees. They definitely don't talk about knocking bees out and stealing their honey while maniacally laughing.
Backyard beekeepers maybe, big apricultural farms kill all their bees every year, y'know cause it's cheaper
@@IM2OFU wheres that information from? I'm genuinely interested, all I can find in terms of sources on honey farms harming their bees are peta and other similar organisations.
@@IM2OFU😢
"this bee is cucking him"... a series of words i never expected to hear in this combination.
I do like this movie, mostly because seeing what happens to a world without bees to 8 year old me was an experience. And now I guess with the added interpretation of the social hierarchy of cartoon bees. Thanks.
When you were talking about Barry being a revolutionary, I got weirdly emotional.
You can kill a bee. You can't kill an idea. HONEY WANTS TO BE FREE
1950’s: We’ll probably have flying cars in the future!
2000’s: Jerry Seinfeld is a bee dating a human and sueing every one who’s ever sold honey.
SpagEddie8113 even better!
Also if you're a billionaire you can actually buy a flying car
Cringe ass irrelevant technology vs nuanced social commentary in an animated children’s film
Its called a learjet
You should talk about my absolute favorite movie if all time: Robots.
Only after I've aged like a fine wine have I noticed how it's a movie for the working class and I only appreciate it that much more.
I think you miss a thing about Adam the bee talked about around 19:30. Adam is middle class. Within capitalist societies you get people who are working class in the sense that they are exploited in the capitalist mode of production, but are provided enough material wealth to see themselves as benefiting from the system. Think of well paid workers like doctors and engineers. The middle classes have a tendency to support the capitalist system despite the fact that they are exploited by it, which Adam seems to be doing. It's not a position that makes "no sense from any perspective", it's about the most common political position held by people in the US, after all. But the way middle class politics is complicit in and (perceives itself to) benefit from class oppression *is* antithetical to the revolutionary goals of the protagonist, as to any revolutionary politics in real life, and the point of Adam is to show this opposition.
I came into the comments looking for this exact reply. I was expecting him to go into this, but it was a missed analysis.
Well said! The role of the middle class is a (ahem) rich enough subject that it could easily warrant dedicated examination. For that matter, these Dreamworks vids could act as a great primer for a larger series, where +BigJoel explores other, more "nuanced" power structures like education, law enforcement, religion etc. Ideally (as with all things) through the lens of Sinistar, but trash movies works too.
Yes! I believe it was George Carlin who said: the rich do none of the work, pay none of the taxes; the middle class do all of the work, pay all of the taxes; and the poor are there to scare the shit out of the middle class.
I really like Joel, but I think this is a common trend in their videos. They are almost perfect but they always miss something that, funnily, matches his view entirely. I think this could be because either a) he doesn't want to give a reading that isn't self sustained (unlikely, given he js, after all, an essayist), or b) he needs someone to give a second read to his scripts.
Or maybe he should give it a rest to their scripts and edit it, but that's implying he doesn't do it already, and I don't want to assume that.
With miss I don't mean he doesn't mention it (I would never peg an essayist wrong for just not mentioning something I want) I mean it exactly like in this video, he mentions something and says it doesn't make sense, even when it really does if you just change the focus a bit.
The one thing that always confused me about this movie was the “nothing gets pollinated” scene is that honey bees are not the only pollenators that exist, such as: birds, butterflies, indigenous bees, etc. So that dead flower scene never made sense to me
In fact an argument can be made that bees make it worse
Im pretty sure the species of bee that barry belongs to is an invasive species
They had to wipe out the polinaters that were already there (and were better at actually polinating)
I was just amused by how the flowers at a flower show could apparently pollinate every vegetable species in the world. (Also if it was that easy, why didn't the humans do that before the lack of bee pollination became an issue? In this 'honeybees are the world's primary pollinators everywhere apparently' world, this problem was very foreseeable.)
So I wasn't gonna say this, and since I'm only 3:30 minutes in I dunno if you said it, but the fact you called the bees that go outside Chads pushed me over the edge. I'm pretty sure that in honey bee hives, the worker bees are all infertile female bees, which makes the fact that they are portrayed as big buffy guys hilarious to me. In fact, there's a running theme in animated movies about bees and ants that they will always focus on a male, regardless of whether that makes sense for the species and social role the character plays.
I’ve always found that really irritating
Really it's more like three sexes of bees. Queen, drone, worker. There's no reason to try to fit them into a sex binary when they really shouldn't be, I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with doing that even when it doesn't make the most sense
@@alexkiddo5855 You make a good point, but I still contend that the bit in my comment about eusocial insect movies always focusing on a male character holds :P
@@mattildas7515 oh yeah you're definitely right
Chad bees
im terrified why is Joel treating the bee movie like a movie and not the collective fever dream it is. he says "he's getting cucked by a bee" like its a normal thing for a kids movie someone please help
Bee Movie but every time someone supports the hierarchy, the movie speeds up by 1%
I am Speed
Let’s see if it can compete with “every time someone says bee it gets faster”
Finally the day has come. I've been waiting for this moment my entire life
I too can feel it in the air tonight
@@abugoha4793 and I feel lust for big joel's video essays in this chili's tonight
Bee Movie but Big Joel analyses it unironically in front of an unironed tablecloth, and he still uses his phone to film even though he has 150K subscribers now
Un *iron* ic
Un *iron* ed
Hidden message: next video is about The Iron Giant
Hmmm... I did not notice the worn-out cloth behind him.
"and lucky for us, Bee Movie is a kind of brilliant film."
i know literally nothing else about your channel but that's an instant subscription from me.
Good video, could have been longer tho.
Quinton really be flexing after that 3 and a half hour, actual Bee Movie odyssey he released on his channel
Just watch it at half speed.
What is this, a crossover episode?
I thought it was too long, so I sped it up each time he said the word "Bee"
This is the only Endgame I care about
NOT MY STEVE ROGERS
* starts crying *
Bob the Cucumber kills Thanos
I can't beelieve that Barry sacrificed himself.
Magensens
No. Disliked.
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@@LaLa-oj5ct seriously?
*ㄚ卂 ㄥ丨Ҝ乇 ﾌ卂乙乙*
I prefer free-form
Okay I haven't seen this movie recently or anything but I feel the point where the bees start making honey "because they want to" doesn't really work that way in the movie. The bees throw off the oppression of slavery and just stop making honey altogterh which is a problem because nature starts dying immediately. WHat saves the day is not bees going back to making honey because they wanna, but because they realise they can sell it. They realise they have a monopoly and decide to exploit this fact by selling honey to humans and returning to honey production to keep up with demand.
It's not quite the brave, subversive ending you make it out to be, in my opinion. The movie still ends up saying that the bees need to be forced to work through violence, just not the direct, physical violence of slavery but throgh the indirect, economic violence of capitalism.
Buuuuuut that doesn't detract from the rest of the video which I liked a ton. Thanks, Joel.
Still an anti slavery, socialist revolution about bees.
It's still a lot more than I expected.
I think it's up for interpretation. Even if the bees end up selling it, that is still a revolutionary idea. They now have the means of production and call the shots. That is possible better than simply sitting around on a honey surplus.
@@emperorleroy6747 Okay, but without their naturally produced honey to feed themselves. they have to switch to syrup or other artificial substances, with unknown health risks. This means that even though they obtain great wealth, it would only harm their future generations and splinter honey society into capitalists and traditionalists.
The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the beeman race.
@@sleep3417 Who says they can’t keep what they need?
Long ago, the Bee colonies lived together in harmony. Then; everything changed when the Bee-Chads attacked.
You can never trust those damn Central-Africanized bees.
Please make a video about Robots
THEREDAKAY and other Blue Sky films!
i think eric taxxon claimed that one
YES
I second that.
crunchy
I spent my whole life thinking the bee movie was just a random film from my childhood but really it was a movie that advocated anarchy, Marxism and vegan ethics?..............
Mind blown
Big Joel says everything, joke, explanation, serious point, everything, in the same voice. It’s fantastic. He just says the dumbest shit the same way as everything else. Very good, best boy
13 likes but it's true
Dreamworks peaked with Megamind.
Also, Bee Movie makes more sense through the lens of a Seinfeld film than a Dreamworks one. It feels more like a sitcom than an adventure and the focus is more on character dynamics and comedic situations than meta social commentary.
Megamind is a metaphor for hegalian master and slave dialect
"The trash era of Dreamworks is over"
He knows Boss Baby exist right?
its weird how shrek shrek 2 and 4 kung fu panda 1 and 2 madagascar 1 and 2 and megamind exist but inbetween that we got shark tale sinbad king of seas bee movie monster vs aliens and shrek the third .dreamworks was very up and down back then....
@@razkable And Dragon trainer. After Monsters vs Aliens, It was a f🅾️cking miracle
@@ilmartellodestro3682 is that what How to Train Your Dragon got translated into elsewhere
@@river_brook ua-cam.com/video/Yb-WXVeSILw/v-deo.html
A lot of this seemed oddly reminiscent of the most recent How To Train Your Dragon movie. It ends with Hiccup accepting a full segregation of humans and dragons, even though Birk was able to live in harmony with them for years, because of figures seeking to capture them. Effectively that's just saying that the hierarchy hiccup removed in the first movie and fought against others attempting to instil in the second was misguided and actually these two classes can't coexist in mutually beneficial manner.
i know this comment is 4 years old but i remember watching that movie in theaters and being genuinely shocked by its messaging. id love to see a thorough breakdown of it if it doesnt exist already
You're ability to draw your analysis to conclusions that are life-affirming and inspiring, beyond simply theorizing for the sake of theorizing, is really astounding, Joel. Thank you for what you make!
sorry about the weird camera focus problems and the kinda bad audio. I’m upgrading a lil haha
It’s chill
No one gonna talk about how he made this comment 11 hrs ago
It looks good, you should stop the crack consumption though
Big Joel THIS MOVIE IS OBJECTIVELY GOOD JOEL.
Josh Adams are you a time cop?
big joel is so cute
Eat a spoonful of honey each time Joel says "social hierarchy".
Drain the jar when he says "the bee is cucking him"
BEEg Joel
BEEG Yoshi!
"Yeah, he's... just sitting there."
You and Jack Saint among a few others are doing a brilliant job of creating a post-Gramscian analysis of popular culture for all us malcontents trying to make sense of this world. Thanks for that.
I expected this being a meme. Got something completely different and still wasn't dissapointed.
We should all aspire to be revolutionaries like Barry
"We should all aspire to bee* revolutionaries like Barry."
There, fixed it for you, comrade.
@- vaska. oh yeah
Comrade Barry, may he rest in bees.
We are all cogs in a machine.
We cannot escape.
We are slaves.
"A mechanized automaton"
Help
im going to miss this video series! you always seem so genuine when you talk about these movies and i hope you continue to make videos about things you truly enjoy
I absolutely love it when some dude on youtube puts more effort in thinking about the themes of a movie than the people who actually produced the movie. It's just awesome and it shows that a piece of media doesn't need to be deep and complex to be worth engaging with. You can get some 'intellectual brain food' out of almost everything.
I really, really want to see your take on the Emoji Movie. It is so soulless and stupid, obviously just a big ad, but its stories has some really interesting implications I don't think the producers were aware of.
"This bee is cucking him" is the best sentence ever spoken by the human tongue.
Joel you clever bone, taking a simple thread of trash movies and slowly building a socialist web out of them.
You genius you, you actually did it.
Two trash and one not.
1:08 we are getting DANGEROUSLY close to loss folks
www.iceposter.com/thumbs/MOV_cfd4d4b1_b.jpg
now i'm just imagining loss with dreamworks characters and i'm Disturbed
Love how Big Joel who's actual name isn't Joel, always looks like he's about burst out into laughs lol.
Looking at his channel little joel, you have been right all along.
Maybe the importance is in choosing where you want to be in life. If you want to go beyond expectations that's great, but if you are happiest living your life exactly where society expects, that's fine too. I'm sure there are other examples, but from my own experience, people look down on housewives because people percieve them as not striving for more, but some are just fulfilled by caring for their families, even if part of society thinks the housewife should find it oppressive. The fish and the animals didn't have things that bad, and neither did shrek by ogre standards, so after they explored other options, they discovered home was what made them happy. The Bees on the other hand were treated poorly and made a choice to change. I LOVE this series but would like to hope DreamWorks is inspiring the ideals of both ambition and gratitude, and not remaining in one's place to protect the status quo.
The issue isn't so much the fact that people can find happiness in the situation they're in it's just that when there is an artificial hierarchy in place that denies people their freedom than their complacency is allowing that system to prolong its existence. The animals have lost the part of the forest that provided them with food, the fish are still serving under a capitalistic and racially divided system and the Fairytale beings would have been kept segregated and forced live in squaller if Sherk didn't indirectly depose of Farquaad.
Bees aren't real. That's why they needed to make an animated film.
@@SpagEddie8113 Not so much a joke these days
Noah Karpinski I made this comment over a year ago, I don’t think it’s funny anymore it’s just edgy
@@SpagEddie8113 Not trying to shame you, it's just another example of how insane things have gotten
Noah Karpinski I know you aren’t shaming me, and I agree with you, I’m shaming myself because my joke legit just wasn’t funny imo
So I realize just how Jordan Peterson-esque the trash era of DreamWorks was
I can hear the sound of a messy room from around here
was there even any lobsters in Shark Tale? checkmate athiests
@@CoWinkKeyDinkInc Shaun the Sheep is right!
Why are woodland creatures caring about politics when their own habitat isn't even in order? Can't you see how stealing nachos leads to chaos and nihilism?
Something something cultural marxism
I've really enjoyed your series on Dreamworks movies, and I think they've helped me understand why I like Dreamworks movies generally better than I like Pixar movies. Now, obviously Pixar movies are better made in an absolute sense. Mauler's robot probably would rate them higher or whatever. But I think in this video you get at the fundamental core of Dreamworks' philosophy, that the world must change for our characters to be happy, and the things that hold our society back are some false understanding of the past as idyllic, while Pixar seems to say that the world is changing no matter what we do, and we must find our place in a darker, more miserable future, or die.
It's Bee Movie, but critically analyzed instead of being a bunch of memes
You like jazz?
@ParaChomp I thought Jazz was a Cisformer.
I watched that
thank god someone finally sees the value of bee movie
This movie's such a meme that I couldnt tell if you were serious or doing a bit
I loved this. Thanks Joel, you've helped me completely reevaluate how I look at art in general, and film specifically.
Adam is the labor aristocracy
Seriously, fuck Adam. I got mad at him when that clip played.
Adam "trade union president" the bee
The significance of Barry talking to a human and it just being completely okay flew over my head when I first saw it. But I did find myself asking, "wait, why aren't bees supposed to talk to humans again?"
I kinda love that this is what my life as an adult has become. Standing at a bus stop, watching an intellectual video essay about the nuances of Bee Movie. A movie I have only had the pleasure of watching due to my children liking anything bright and colourful. Yet here I am, nodding along.
Hello, love your works, keep it up! Can I ask you, are you willing to make a video about Robots (2005) in the future?
the blue sky produced movies (ice age, rio, robots) could be a new trilogy of animated trash -if ice age wasnt actually good
@@casir.7407 Meanwhile, Robots is now a meme somehow
@@casir.7407 sure... if.
*I love this anime*
I prefer Bee Movie, The Manga
What are you talking about?!??!?!? 🧐🤔🙄😡🤬
This comment will be lost to the aether, so I will refrain from typing out the essay I want to make here.
The most important observation I can make about Bee Movie is simply to point out the way it geometrically decays. That is, it establishes concepts, introducing characters and plots, and right as it is getting to some point it collapses and changes direction.
This happens 3 times, and as a result you end up with what feels like 4 stories, each playing out faster and more confusingly than the last.
It starts out in bee world. It spends a lot of time building up and explaining bee society. It sets up all the bee pieces on this black and yellow chess board. And then it gets thrown out the window.
Barry gets pulled into a chaotic whirlwind that lands him in front of a new group of characters and then, confusingly, the alternate world slice of life story becomes the one about star crossed lovers.
Once this dynamic gets established just well enough for people to believe it's actually happening, it suddenly becomes a courtroom procedural.
Once the case is won, it's an apocalyptic event that needs to be stopped with a hiest of sorts that seems entirely set up to give a visual gag to accompany the opening line about bees not being able to fly.
All these things are only linked by two things, the first being circumstance and the second being the bee movie script into which that circumstance is written. That is to say, there is no reason for things to happen in this movie, not even to advance the plot because the plot is treated as completely disposable.
I think that's why people stop and play the nutshack song every time they say bee. Because you're not supposed to watch this movie. You can get the whole gist in 10 minutes and the premise only breaks down more the further you watch.
you should compile the entire criticism from shrek to bee movie in a book
This is actually a good idea
I can't believe my heart was lifted into revolutionary action by the altruistic nature of barry b benson
God I love Patrick Warburton
This was my new desk 🙁 This was my new job 🙁 I wanted to do it really well 🙁 and now... now I can't 🙁
Sargon if you don't wanna participate in Bee movie discourse, because 'who cares,' please refrain from commenting or making a response video about this.
But if he doesn't make a video how will we know how little he cares?
I had never seen someone talking about bee movie with such a gleeful expression on their face. I loved that.
Would you believe me if I said there was another person who had as much fun? Because, oh man, Quinton Reviews has a great time with Bee Movie. In a different way, of course. Highly recommend as companion Bee Movie material.
@@YourFaceisPretty Thanks man, I'll check it out!
Dreamworks: did you do it?
Jerry: yes.
Dreamworks: what did it cost?
Jenny: everything! I mean what's the deal with cost....
My grandad became a bee keeper after he retired, so this movie haunted me as a 7 year old, honest I felt really guilty because I liked wearing the suit
More like Bee for Vendetta, amirite?
Brilliant
My favorite joke:
Barry: "Are you okay?"
Human: *Pouring coffee onto a plate* "No! :D"
I really like the way he thinks about and analizes things. Every video is super interesting to me and they always end in surprinsgly deeper messages than I had thought of initially.
Definitey favourite youtuber right now!
Big Joel Stay Dropping Bangers Fr !
I haven’t started this video yet, but I want to say that Bee Movie is unironically one of my favorite movies and I have seen it more times than any other movie.
Honestly, the big reasons I dislike this movie are like the complete lack of acknowledgement of how bees actually work and I just generally don't like Jerry Seinfeld (and I find it hard to sympathize with Barry because he sounds like him) more than a genuine feeling of "It is garbage".
Could you review Rise of the Guardians? It has a lot of really interesting themes and it needs more love.
I haven't seen it, should I? Or is it trashy interesting?
@8:20 "a set of bee-haviours"
>calls movie trash
>25 minute in depth analysis
There's this game you should play, then you might understand:
store.steampowered.com/app/240720/Getting_Over_It_with_Bennett_Foddy/
He doesn't though. This literally is called the end of trash.
just binged a ton of your videos. wanna say thanks for speaking out loud the names of each part of your video essays; so many people just put a title card and assume everyones watching when theyre just listening
Just stumbled upon this and it's strangely uplifting & inspiring.
I desperately need someone to make a video essay about Antz and I think you’re the guy
You have the cutest face on UA-cam! Jesus I melt just watching you!
@@jeromealday614 Lmao
When is the inevitable Jack Saint and Big Joel crossover?
i don't know how i feel about the use of "chad" unironically
also not sure about "cuck" unironically?
am i overthinking this deep dive of the bee movie
We live in a post-ironic society.
Don't know. It makes sense and fits the context of what he was describing so I'm fine with it. BigJoel has always had a casual vibe about him too, so I guess I'm fine with it
*Berry B. Benson vs Chad C. Cuckington*
These videos are really great. I honestly love how Joel talks about this stuff. Sort of just interpreting it in terms of its themes and writing and not really passing judgement on it. I hope we get more of these to come.
>Big Honey
I'm dead.
This was really good. Big Joel with another thought provoking and heartfelt look at something I never even thought was worthy of criticism. The discussion honestly makes me appreciate the film in a way I never would have guessed
I guess you are reading from a script and you might believe your voice doesn’t sound natural or something. But no! It’s great! It’s actually nice to listen to. It sounds robotic but in a good way! Don’t change it!
ikr, i see what u re talking about. he is cute he doesnt need scripts
I love his cadence, it’s very relaxing
luqman turakı I mean. He’s definitely reading a script (probably 89%) but as long as he uses the reading style he is reading now, it’s all good!
Yeah his voice is very listenable.