Episode notes are up: Setting up a Microsoft Surface Go for Portable Ham Radio Data Modes. Blog: oh8stn.org/blog/2024/04/20/microsoft-surface-for-portable-ham-radio-data-modes/ Video: ua-cam.com/video/-XXpvZ2ifh4/v-deo.html 73 Julian oh8stn
Awesome stuff, thanks for the info on GPSGate, seems like a great software package to use for getting position (and time) data for Surface tablets. Really handy!
I really like these types of projects. Last summer, I got to about 90% of the way to getting everything to run on Android phones by using a custom kernel and installing a Linux distro as a chroot. The last remaining hurdle to overcome was compiling and installing drivers for a virtual audio cable. Unfortunately, I had to take a step back from the project, but if it works, I should be able to get all modes with just the phone and a USB cable to the radio. If I finally have some time to finish the project, I'll post it on FB and QRZ.
Huge amounts of work,. Respect! Ham radio should be at the forefront of man-portable communications. Instead, it seems we are developing on top of antiquated code, rather than grabbing hold to something new like Android and iOS devices. It saddens me.
I bought a Surface Pro 2 model 1927 about a year ago just because of this video. been trying since to get it to work. revisited this post and went to the gate splitter site to get the program. it appears they made an add on that is free now and it all works. I'm using BKT Time Sync and appears to work great. now when I'm in areas with no service I can use the digital modes. So very cool and thank you!!!
I took a leap of faith and spend a bit of change to acquired a refurbished MS Surface 2 instead of an Evolve III Maestro laptop; this was the best decision I made. Not only can I use the Surface to support my ham radio hobby for digital operations, it also supports my DJ hobby as a controller for my Hercules DJ rig, plus the Surface now replaces the old and slow Chromebook I used when I travel away from home :)
Julian, another great video. Two comments. First, avoid the Surface Go 3. Microsoft botched that release - no new features (that matter), but much worse battery life over the Surface Go2. I managed a small fleet of them for my employer and we traded them for iPads as soon as we could. Second, it looks like Microsoft skipped any Surface Go updates or new releases for this current product cycle. However, there should be plenty of good used or NOS Go 2's still on the market. And you are right - go for the more capable processor and more system RAM.
Thanks for another well prepared and presented topic. I suspect that just as you would choose your TX-500 for a mission requiring something more rugged than an IC-705, you probably have experience and insight to share on what you might choose other than a MS Surface. I would be very interested in seeing you present on this in a future video. Thanks for keeping us inspired to get outdoors and operate!
I also like linux more than Windows. But take the right Tool for the job. And you did it. This setup looks very clean thread forward for me. Imo you did an excelent job sir! Keep rockn it! 73
I just ordered a Surface Go 2 LTE. Had to get it off ebay as no stores sell them anymore. There really are no other Windows tablets that have GPS, which is surprising. Unless you go with ruggedized tablets which are at least double if not triple the weight and price. I'm planning to make an EmComm Go-Box out of a hard case with the lid on the bottom that the radio and battery and everything is mounted to, and the deep part will lift up as the lid instead. The tablet will be mounted in this deep lid, which will keep it dry and shaded, so I don't need a ruggedized tablet and hopefully the glare won't be an issue either.
I have a surface Go, not sure which model, I picked up, used, off Ebay. Has the Kensignton protector already on it. I think it cost me under $200. I still havent ventured into the world of digital yet, but its on my list. That, and CW. Your videos, and a couple other emcomms, are my go to channels for knowledge!
Good stuff, Julian! I've been thinking about switching over from the gaming laptop I've been using over to a Surface Go. Thanks for doing whatcher doing, man! 😁
I’m currently building my station and will be employing a Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1, initially for FT8, and then for whatever other digital modes that appear interesting. I will be linking the tablet to a newer model IC-705 that has the FT8 capability included in the firmware.
Thanks for this particular write-up! I'm using an alternate off-branded name Windows tablet that has three USB c ports. I bought it to get around the fact that the surface only has one USBC port. Unfortunately I did not know that it uses a proprietary AC to USBC power supply to charge the tablet. It will not recharge with a standard USBC connector, which is a huge oversight. I have not had a chance to check to see if the integrated GPS will work or not. It does have an integrated LTE modem. But it only works on one band in North America as it was originally made for the Asian market. I need to do more testing on my end to see if it will do everything that you could do with the surface. If it cannot then I will end up getting a surface. Although at the time when I bought it. It was less than half the cost of the surface. LOL If I have trouble trying to get it figured out. I might be contacting you to see if I could donate one to you and have you give it a go. The reason why I say this is the tablet is less than half the cost, and it comes with the detachable keyboard and writing pen all in one package! 73, Mark N2XDO
Hi Mark. Yes , some of the budget brands will use a USB-C connector, but run 12 volts through it to power a device. The price seems nice at first, but then we have to spend time adapting to the non-standard connections, voltages, ... to make it work. I chose a Surface because it is a standard, like an iPad. Companies make accessories like the case and country-specific keyboards, charging adapters, matte screen covers, ... We know these things will work because of the standard. I also chose the Surface from the channel perspective, because I know it will be there for the community if I invest the time into these blogs and videos. The most frustrating things is putting out content for a device which becomes discontinued after a few months. I hope you get it sorted, and please let us know how it goes. 73 Julian oh8stn
Hi Julian, Greetings from Essex County, England! Great video, I'm still learning thanks to you. I currently run my IC-705 from our small garden, I'm using a Chameleon MPAS mounted on a 2.5m tall wooden pergola, using the Cha clamp. Unfortunately it's made of cheese, it bends as soon as you screw it on... but Chameleon USA tell me I'm doing it wrong. What a joke... Anyway, last weekend I had my first ever voice contact on 5w, all the way to Italy (Marconi 150th Award) about 678 miles away. I was a very happy ham!!! Thanks again for all your tips, hopefully I'll invest in a solar setup soon and take all my gear on my bike... Take care, stay safe. 73 de 2E0HJN - Manny
@OH8STN One thig I've struggled with this concept of the TX500, PA500, BAT500 combo is I've always wanted the 100W expedition version of the PA500. Do you find the extra 40W worth having? Or is having the fans a bit cumbersome and not worth the extra 40W? The expedition is quite scarce. I truly think the IC705 is a better radio in almost all respects except the durability department. That specific thing is why I am willing to go the TX500 route over all others as that's what I need is the durability. Only thing holding me up is the 100W exp model over the regular PA500. It will see some home base station use for me but not much as I mostly find HAM stuff more fun out an about. Curious on your thoughts on the two versions of the Expedition model as you are the only one I've found that has used both.
Yes, thanks. It was a very simple hack, solving problems which should not exist. If only the 705 GPS could be accessed while using the radio wirelessly. 73 Julian oh8stn
Great video! I use the MS Surface Pro 4 at home with the SignalLink and TS-570s. I really want to get a portable/camping station set up! The Pro 4 has a known issue, the display starts shaking after using heavy programs like FLDIGI, MMSSTV, Skype, etc. No fix to it, unforch, so I’m in the market for a new tablet, and an appropriate radio. I want to be able to do the popular modes in the FLDIGI software. Neat that you have your radio connected wirelessly to the Surface! Love your channel! Jeff, KF5KWO
Definitely take a look at the 705. That wireless and one wire configurations are game changer for portable work. Thanks for watching commenting and for the kindness. Is much appreciated. 73 Julian oh8stn
Good to see you using this device, unfortunately not very popular in Europe I guess. My future wish is to use a Lenovo pad on android which is quite affordable and has multiple use. Keep on making the videos and perhaps you could tell a little about your journeys on your bike?
Yes the only thing we're missing from android is more apps. Currently. We have winlink, aprs and ft8. At the moment time teaching Junior (Snappers boy) to tune with the bike. We'll have some nice adventures this summer. 7r Julian oh8stn
Check out the Evolve III Maestro laptop, $79US available here in NJ. Intel N3450 with 64Gb, Win10 etc.. Very light weight and full featured...more than powerful enough for Amateur digital use.
Thank you very much for sharing. The biggest downside I see with the windows surface is that it has only one port. I noticed in your video you have what look like some flexible solar panels. I was wondering what type and manufacture are they? Thanks again.
For me, the singld port is enough for the IC-705, X6100. Charging is done through the Surface connect port. I also have a 3port usb-c hub if needed. The panels are from PowerFilm Solar. PowerFilm Solar Panels: ua-cam.com/play/PLKMrdrsNkFA4BFf7wutLxDfEFt3JQd5n7.html
Something worth consideration: In my field ops with my surface go 3 I've found that the surface overheats rather easily simply from direct sunlight. Perhaps not as much of an issue in finland, but it regularly causes me problems because of cpu throttling here even in northern wisconsin.
@@OH8STN Surface_Go_3_1901 Has the i3-10100 8gb ram 128gb ssd and i inserted a 1tb microsd With ambient temps in the 70's (20's c) in direct sun the surface gets hot to the touch and internal temps show aprox 70-90 c. It thermal throttles badly and will even crash until I get it in the shade to cool it down. Matte black computers and sunshine are a bad combo.
What apps, widgets, utilities, ... are running on your Surface Go 3 i3 when it throttles back? There's no useful info in your comments for replicating or troubleshooting the problem. I'll run my Surface Go M3 in sauna this evening. It'll be easy to get the temp well over 50°c to see if it slso throttles and/or crashes. I'd make a video about this if I were you. Would be very helpful. Check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/lMdDhcYgdQ0/v-deo.htmlsi=3_QdQPKOf8cGWWgh
The OS has been upgraded to windows 11 but is barebones, i used revo uninstaller and powershell to clean most of the bloatware out. Microsoft store? gone. ai crap? gone. cloud services? gone. any and all preinstalled software? gone. and so on. The only programs installed are ham radio related: chirp, varahf, varachat, winlink express, btktimesync(for getting gps time off the 705 since i dont have the lte version), icom remote utility, rsba1v2, tqsl, wsjtx, wsjtz, jtdx, js8call, pathfinder, propview, antscope2(for use with rigexpert analyzer) and paranoia works. The only steps needed for it to start throttling are have it be sunny out and ambient temps at about 70f or higher. Once I put it into the shade all is well again. It was was exhibiting this behavior before I got sick of the nagging and let microsoft push the windows 11 upgrade. No, it's not a warranty issue, microsoft warns about this even in the user manual. Matte black and sunshine mean things get hot. The only thing that slows it down is opening the kickstand more to increase the air circulation around the backside. Turning on power saving mode also *helps* because that throttles the cpu as well.
Absolutely! The Toughbook is a fine machine, but... Pros and cons -It is heavy - It is power hungry - It is very expensive - Dual battery setup is awesome - Requires external charger - It is modular - It has a great daylight readable display I carried a toughbook for my work in North Africa back in the day. It was indestructible! Today I have 2 Microsoft Surface tablets for less than the price of a Toughbook or Toughpad. Must weigh the pros and cons. Great question 73 Julian oh8stn
@@OH8STN Very good points! I think you’re right on a Windows tablet being less cumbersome and more useful, especially with the ICOM 705 (my radio). Still, it might be nice to have the Quadra for the Ham Clock and as a backup Ham computer.
Another cool vid man! I always want to get out and do what you do. I even have most of the equipment I need. But as far as I get is an afternoon of POTA once in a while.
Very nice video on the Microsoft Go! I have the original and use it on one of my Winlink setups with the TX-500. My other setup is a Surface Pro 8 and a 705, still haven't got the key yet for off grid charging for that computer, PD maybe? Always great to see your videos! 73 Philip KF7JZ
Having watched previous incarnations of your compute platform, as things stand at the moment I think this seems to be the most pragmatic solution if you want to run Winlink and VARA as well as the other apps. I'm currently running everything on a Raspberry and use a low-cost Android tablet as a teminal. I'd like to run Winlink but being realistic that will need a PC platform sadly - Personally I am not at all keen on Windows, so the Surface line does make sense. I guess the added protection is useful during the inevitable percussive maintenance events that occur with having a Windows OS!
Honestly, I would run linux on the Surface hardware, if developers would give us decent tools for that platform. Winlink Express and Vara for Linux are a complete no-go on Linux. PAT Winlink should be ran as an app instead of a webpage, and Vara refuses to go Linux because he wants to get paid. I would dump Windows in a second if we could have Winlink Express functionality and Vara/VaraFM on Linux. Even better, let's have them on Android. 73 Julian oh8stn
Just found your channel and love how you emphasize energy needs for these tools! On another note i have 2 questions for you, im looking for a receiver like the Tecsun pl 660 for family who dont want to invest in hf setups. What do you recommend? Also would it be more wise and cost effective to invest in a vhf/uhf setup like your chest pack that uses digirig and a microsoft surface for data modes. Or go with a dmr handheld with its own data modes?
Excellent questions. For the d m r radio I would suggest looking at mine Retevis Ailunce HD2 videos & shorts. That radio can do analog voice/data and DMR. For the receiver, Check what frequencies you want to monitor and buy one which covers those frequencies, is simple to use, and can be charged grid down. Thanks for commenting and for the kindness. It's very much appreciated. 73 Julian oh8stn
hi thanks for all your good work it realy helps .How do you get on for battery life on the surface , can you power it from the main battery pack .The cost of replacement batterys for the surface and fitting make buying a used model a gamble unless it can be backed up with an external supply.
5-6 hours continuous use on both Surfaces. I am thinking about trying out one of the ARM cpu surface tablets since they are supposed to have much longer battery life.
If a ham operator is using a Microsoft Surface Go 2 which does not have an internal GPS feature, can he purchase a GPS accessory unit to use with the Microsoft Surface Go 2 so he can make use of JS8Call?
I'll try to put up all the links into a new blog post on this topic Saturday. It's been a lot of work to get this video done. So I haven't finished the accompanying posts yet.
I have the same cover and keyboard, both are top notch. I have an old Surface Pro and unfortunately, it only charges through the magnetic Surface Connect. Any suggestion for charging in the field where there is no 110v, other than in inverter, which is more to carry?
Definitely we can use a DigiRig. In fact I should Have covered that in this video. I'll do a separate video about that device. My professional comms experience and career came after the Corps. GI Bill 👍
You're all good. I'll eventually add this to the episode notes. I use a windows theme from github called "grayeve theme". It turns off all that ridiculous Microsoft nonsense that kills your eyes. For winlink, there's settings, Set color theme. Make the text white and the background black. Do the same for lists. For FT8 and JS8Call, Edit the foreground background and list colors as desired. For FLDigi, there are no themes or settings to make it any better. 73 Julian oh8stn
Great question. I used to, but learned my lesson. First, I don't connect the Surface that often if ever "directly" to the internet. Second, I disable Windows updates until I want to update. Third, I block MS at my firewall, but it still tries to find a way via one of the other machines.
@@OH8STN Thanks for that. I have problems with the connection to the 705’s own Wi-Fi network. Most of the times I use it like that the connection eventually drops.
Yep, that's what I'm using as well. The surface connect connector is actually USB-C PD, albiet with a different connector. thanks for the tips. 73 Julian oh8stn
I have a surface pro 4 and it does everything I need for data modes. Use a dock and put it in the shack that way it’s always up to date. You also can power the unit with a 60W PD 12v auto plug and the requisite adapter cable.
@@bryandankanich898I have a Surface Pro 4 as well, does yours have the known issue of the display starting to shake after awhile? If I use FLDIGI or MMSSTV for awhile, the display shakes. It’s a known issue and unforch there’s no remedy excpet to buy a new one. I’m definitely in the market, just don’t want to pay too much for something I pretty much only use for ham radio.
Yes, there are several tools allowing us to remove all bloatware from MS. It is a real process. Search for "Windows 11 debloater tool" 73 Julian oh8stn
I try to use only free open source software. I mostly use fldigi and fsq per amrron guide lines. I have a 10 watt usdr txcvr (china clone), atu-100 tuner, 40m efhw, an old laptop, samsung tab 8 tablet (andflmsg which is very limited and no fsq, but works) and digirig mobile. I have a simple battery pack, diy 18650 packs and vehicle dc laptop power supply. Currently I have no solar panels. It works well and when on battery only 3 cables are used.
Yes, I wish all our software packages were open-source. FLDigi has good functionality, but the user interface is hard on the eyes. Also wish we had a full-featured open-source Winlink client. PAT is a good start, but not on the same level as Winlink Express. Thanks for watching and commenting. 73 Julian oh8stn
I have a Surface GO 2 and gpsgate installed and it is red and says running ok but no data coming in. I have tried everything and searched everywhere I know for a solution. Anybody have any ideas?
Hi Julian, I need to stop watching your videos LOL. I found a reconditioned M3 variant Surface Go 2 with 8GB and 128 storage on Amazon, and also the Kensington hard case. My credit card now hates you . I've also got the Icom Remote software coming in too. I think its a bit steep of Icom to make users pay for the privilege of remote operation, but I guess if I ever get another digital Icom radio (unlikely), such as the 7300 then I can use it with that also. I'm reminded just how expensive this hobby is at times. 73 G1AW
The only thing dependent on the LTE model is the GPS. If you're using the 705, which has an internal GPS, one could use that. Otherwise choose which model is right for you. I have the original as well as the LTE model.
just remember anything you do on a MS tablet or computer is recorded and sent to MS as data so anything you want to be encrypted MS will have a non encrypted version saved, to those that think I'm paranoid you should do some research on what data MS collects, read the fine print in the service agreement. all this is to say don't use MS software or hardware if anything you do may be used against you in the future. Microsoft is just not secure in anyway.
@@OH8STN I mean, it doesn't connect that you know of. Unless you have physically disabled the wifi you don't really know either way. That said, I'm using a Go 3 LTE.
Agreed, and good point! At home, all ports are blocked unless allowed. In the field, no wifi or LTE enabled. I hate MS spying, so I'm somewhat paranoid about it 🤣👍
Episode notes are up:
Setting up a Microsoft Surface Go for Portable Ham Radio Data Modes.
Blog: oh8stn.org/blog/2024/04/20/microsoft-surface-for-portable-ham-radio-data-modes/
Video: ua-cam.com/video/-XXpvZ2ifh4/v-deo.html
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I love watching your videos on this topic, I just got into HAM 2 months ago. Got my General License a modeling my setup after your setup. Thanks
Congrats on getting your general.
Which of my setups are you modelling yours after? IC-705, TX-500, X6100, ..?
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Awesome stuff, thanks for the info on GPSGate, seems like a great software package to use for getting position (and time) data for Surface tablets. Really handy!
I really like these types of projects. Last summer, I got to about 90% of the way to getting everything to run on Android phones by using a custom kernel and installing a Linux distro as a chroot. The last remaining hurdle to overcome was compiling and installing drivers for a virtual audio cable. Unfortunately, I had to take a step back from the project, but if it works, I should be able to get all modes with just the phone and a USB cable to the radio. If I finally have some time to finish the project, I'll post it on FB and QRZ.
Huge amounts of work,. Respect!
Ham radio should be at the forefront of man-portable communications. Instead, it seems we are developing on top of antiquated code, rather than grabbing hold to something new like Android and iOS devices.
It saddens me.
You are one of my favorites to come to for help. Concise. Knowlegeable. Practical. Thanks for doing these.
I bought a Surface Pro 2 model 1927 about a year ago just because of this video. been trying since to get it to work. revisited this post and went to the gate splitter site to get the program. it appears they made an add on that is free now and it all works. I'm using BKT Time Sync and appears to work great. now when I'm in areas with no service I can use the digital modes. So very cool and thank you!!!
I took a leap of faith and spend a bit of change to acquired a refurbished MS Surface 2 instead of an Evolve III Maestro laptop; this was the best decision I made. Not only can I use the Surface to support my ham radio hobby for digital operations, it also supports my DJ hobby as a controller for my Hercules DJ rig, plus the Surface now replaces the old and slow Chromebook I used when I travel away from home :)
You have certainly done your homework on this video. Thanks for all you do!
Thanks for the kindness.
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Thank you. I am in the market for a 12vdc computer to use with IC-705, so this video was very helpful. Thanks Julian
Julian, another great video. Two comments. First, avoid the Surface Go 3. Microsoft botched that release - no new features (that matter), but much worse battery life over the Surface Go2. I managed a small fleet of them for my employer and we traded them for iPads as soon as we could. Second, it looks like Microsoft skipped any Surface Go updates or new releases for this current product cycle. However, there should be plenty of good used or NOS Go 2's still on the market. And you are right - go for the more capable processor and more system RAM.
Thanks for another well prepared and presented topic. I suspect that just as you would choose your TX-500 for a mission requiring something more rugged than an IC-705, you probably have experience and insight to share on what you might choose other than a MS Surface. I would be very interested in seeing you present on this in a future video. Thanks for keeping us inspired to get outdoors and operate!
Thanks for the update on gaining access to surface go gps.
I have the first gen Surface Go. I agree it’s a great machine. I’ll try that GPS hack next.
Thanks and please let us know if it works for you.
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I also like linux more than Windows. But take the right Tool for the job. And you did it. This setup looks very clean thread forward for me. Imo you did an excelent job sir! Keep rockn it! 73
I just ordered a Surface Go 2 LTE. Had to get it off ebay as no stores sell them anymore. There really are no other Windows tablets that have GPS, which is surprising. Unless you go with ruggedized tablets which are at least double if not triple the weight and price. I'm planning to make an EmComm Go-Box out of a hard case with the lid on the bottom that the radio and battery and everything is mounted to, and the deep part will lift up as the lid instead. The tablet will be mounted in this deep lid, which will keep it dry and shaded, so I don't need a ruggedized tablet and hopefully the glare won't be an issue either.
I put a matte screen protector on my surface go. Helps a little with glare and protects the glass
Awesome, I'll try that.
A matte privacy or polarized screen protector might help. Those have some drawbacks like slightly reduced brightness though.
I have a surface Go, not sure which model, I picked up, used, off Ebay. Has the Kensignton protector already on it. I think it cost me under $200. I still havent ventured into the world of digital yet, but its on my list. That, and CW. Your videos, and a couple other emcomms, are my go to channels for knowledge!
Good stuff, Julian! I've been thinking about switching over from the gaming laptop I've been using over to a Surface Go. Thanks for doing whatcher doing, man! 😁
Thanks for the kindness old buddy. 🙏
I’m currently building my station and will be employing a Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1, initially for FT8, and then for whatever other digital modes that appear interesting. I will be linking the tablet to a newer model IC-705 that has the FT8 capability included in the firmware.
Outstanding. Have you solved the problem of off grid charging the panasonic tough book in the field?
Thanks for this particular write-up!
I'm using an alternate off-branded name Windows tablet that has three USB c ports. I bought it to get around the fact that the surface only has one USBC port.
Unfortunately I did not know that it uses a proprietary AC to USBC power supply to charge the tablet.
It will not recharge with a standard USBC connector, which is a huge oversight.
I have not had a chance to check to see if the integrated GPS will work or not.
It does have an integrated LTE modem. But it only works on one band in North America as it was originally made for the Asian market.
I need to do more testing on my end to see if it will do everything that you could do with the surface.
If it cannot then I will end up getting a surface. Although at the time when I bought it. It was less than half the cost of the surface. LOL
If I have trouble trying to get it figured out. I might be contacting you to see if I could donate one to you and have you give it a go.
The reason why I say this is the tablet is less than half the cost, and it comes with the detachable keyboard and writing pen all in one package!
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N2XDO
Hi Mark.
Yes , some of the budget brands will use a USB-C connector, but run 12 volts through it to power a device. The price seems nice at first, but then we have to spend time adapting to the non-standard connections, voltages, ... to make it work.
I chose a Surface because it is a standard, like an iPad. Companies make accessories like the case and country-specific keyboards, charging adapters, matte screen covers, ... We know these things will work because of the standard.
I also chose the Surface from the channel perspective, because I know it will be there for the community if I invest the time into these blogs and videos. The most frustrating things is putting out content for a device which becomes discontinued after a few months.
I hope you get it sorted, and please let us know how it goes.
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very nice advices...
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Hi Julian,
Greetings from Essex County, England!
Great video, I'm still learning thanks to you.
I currently run my IC-705 from our small garden, I'm using a Chameleon MPAS mounted on a 2.5m tall wooden pergola, using the Cha clamp.
Unfortunately it's made of cheese, it bends as soon as you screw it on... but Chameleon USA tell me I'm doing it wrong.
What a joke...
Anyway, last weekend I had my first ever voice contact on 5w, all the way to Italy (Marconi 150th Award) about 678 miles away.
I was a very happy ham!!!
Thanks again for all your tips, hopefully I'll invest in a solar setup soon and take all my gear on my bike...
Take care, stay safe.
73 de 2E0HJN - Manny
@OH8STN One thig I've struggled with this concept of the TX500, PA500, BAT500 combo is I've always wanted the 100W expedition version of the PA500. Do you find the extra 40W worth having? Or is having the fans a bit cumbersome and not worth the extra 40W? The expedition is quite scarce. I truly think the IC705 is a better radio in almost all respects except the durability department. That specific thing is why I am willing to go the TX500 route over all others as that's what I need is the durability. Only thing holding me up is the 100W exp model over the regular PA500. It will see some home base station use for me but not much as I mostly find HAM stuff more fun out an about. Curious on your thoughts on the two versions of the Expedition model as you are the only one I've found that has used both.
Looks like you have the Surface dialed in for portables ops. Glad you were able to use GPSgate to get the NMEA data.
Yes, thanks. It was a very simple hack, solving problems which should not exist.
If only the 705 GPS could be accessed while using the radio wirelessly.
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Thank you for explaining how to set time from the gps. I will be doing exactly this on my Go. 73 G7BHE
You are very welcome.
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Here's my blog on the GPS: oh8stn.org/blog/2023/11/02/microsoft-surface-go-lte-gps-for-ham-radio/
Great job Julian! N6ABE, 73
Great video! I use the MS Surface Pro 4 at home with the SignalLink and TS-570s. I really want to get a portable/camping station set up! The Pro 4 has a known issue, the display starts shaking after using heavy programs like FLDIGI, MMSSTV, Skype, etc. No fix to it, unforch, so I’m in the market for a new tablet, and an appropriate radio. I want to be able to do the popular modes in the FLDIGI software. Neat that you have your radio connected wirelessly to the Surface! Love your channel! Jeff, KF5KWO
Definitely take a look at the 705. That wireless and one wire configurations are game changer for portable work.
Thanks for watching commenting and for the kindness.
Is much appreciated.
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Good to see you using this device, unfortunately not very popular in Europe I guess. My future wish is to use a Lenovo pad on android which is quite affordable and has multiple use. Keep on making the videos and perhaps you could tell a little about your journeys on your bike?
Yes the only thing we're missing from android is more apps. Currently.
We have winlink, aprs and ft8.
At the moment time teaching Junior (Snappers boy) to tune with the bike. We'll have some nice adventures this summer.
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I love the content!!! Which would you recommend for someone starting with a new Surface Go 2 LTE ...Windows 10 or 11?
Another great video Julian! I always enjoy your presentations and topics.
Really appreciate the kindness, thanks.
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Check out the Evolve III Maestro laptop, $79US available here in NJ. Intel N3450 with 64Gb, Win10 etc.. Very light weight and full featured...more than powerful enough for Amateur digital use.
Thank you very much for sharing. The biggest downside I see with the windows surface is that it has only one port. I noticed in your video you have what look like some flexible solar panels. I was wondering what type and manufacture are they? Thanks again.
For me, the singld port is enough for the IC-705, X6100. Charging is done through the Surface connect port. I also have a 3port usb-c hub if needed.
The panels are from PowerFilm Solar.
PowerFilm Solar Panels: ua-cam.com/play/PLKMrdrsNkFA4BFf7wutLxDfEFt3JQd5n7.html
Something worth consideration: In my field ops with my surface go 3 I've found that the surface overheats rather easily simply from direct sunlight. Perhaps not as much of an issue in finland, but it regularly causes me problems because of cpu throttling here even in northern wisconsin.
Which model please? I've been to Spain with the model, operating from the beach. That model didn't show any signs of throttling.
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Has the i3-10100 8gb ram 128gb ssd and i inserted a 1tb microsd
With ambient temps in the 70's (20's c) in direct sun the surface gets hot to the touch and internal temps show aprox 70-90 c. It thermal throttles badly and will even crash until I get it in the shade to cool it down. Matte black computers and sunshine are a bad combo.
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What apps, widgets, utilities, ... are running on your Surface Go 3 i3 when it throttles back? There's no useful info in your comments for replicating or troubleshooting the problem.
I'll run my Surface Go M3 in sauna this evening. It'll be easy to get the temp well over 50°c to see if it slso throttles and/or crashes.
I'd make a video about this if I were you. Would be very helpful.
Check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/lMdDhcYgdQ0/v-deo.htmlsi=3_QdQPKOf8cGWWgh
The OS has been upgraded to windows 11 but is barebones, i used revo uninstaller and powershell to clean most of the bloatware out.
Microsoft store? gone. ai crap? gone. cloud services? gone. any and all preinstalled software? gone. and so on.
The only programs installed are ham radio related:
chirp, varahf, varachat, winlink express, btktimesync(for getting gps time off the 705 since i dont have the lte version), icom remote utility, rsba1v2, tqsl, wsjtx, wsjtz, jtdx, js8call, pathfinder, propview, antscope2(for use with rigexpert analyzer) and paranoia works.
The only steps needed for it to start throttling are have it be sunny out and ambient temps at about 70f or higher. Once I put it into the shade all is well again.
It was was exhibiting this behavior before I got sick of the nagging and let microsoft push the windows 11 upgrade.
No, it's not a warranty issue, microsoft warns about this even in the user manual. Matte black and sunshine mean things get hot.
The only thing that slows it down is opening the kickstand more to increase the air circulation around the backside.
Turning on power saving mode also *helps* because that throttles the cpu as well.
Ok I just replaced my Surface WiFi with a new cellular model. What was the GPS time feature you were using in the last part of that chapter?
Thanks, Julian. It was a great overview
Any thoughts on used panosonic toughpads/toughbooks for this application?
Absolutely! The Toughbook is a fine machine, but...
Pros and cons
-It is heavy
- It is power hungry
- It is very expensive
- Dual battery setup is awesome
- Requires external charger
- It is modular
- It has a great daylight readable display
I carried a toughbook for my work in North Africa back in the day. It was indestructible! Today I have 2 Microsoft Surface tablets for less than the price of a Toughbook or Toughpad. Must weigh the pros and cons.
Great question
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Have you done a review of the Inovato Quadra? I’m wondering if it could replace a tablet or Laptop in the field 🤷🏻♂️
You might find this interesting: ua-cam.com/video/xIrd2l8t4l8/v-deo.html
@@OH8STN Very good points! I think you’re right on a Windows tablet being less cumbersome and more useful, especially with the ICOM 705 (my radio). Still, it might be nice to have the Quadra for the Ham Clock and as a backup Ham computer.
Another cool vid man! I always want to get out and do what you do. I even have most of the equipment I need. But as far as I get is an afternoon of POTA once in a while.
You're not alone. I just can't get out in the winter here like I used to.
Always the best!!
I wish that were true. Happy to get some kindness though :)
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Great video as always. We keep learning. Do you require a license key for gpsgate (cost?)or is the trial version sufficient. 73s
No license key required 👍
Great video as usual Julian! Very informative too! Thank you for all you do for the ham and prepping communities!
Thanks for the kindness.
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Very nice video on the Microsoft Go! I have the original and use it on one of my Winlink setups with the TX-500. My other setup is a Surface Pro 8 and a 705, still haven't got the key yet for off grid charging for that computer, PD maybe? Always great to see your videos!
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Their are only refurbished Go3's available. Are surface Pro models compatible?
Having watched previous incarnations of your compute platform, as things stand at the moment I think this seems to be the most pragmatic solution if you want to run Winlink and VARA as well as the other apps. I'm currently running everything on a Raspberry and use a low-cost Android tablet as a teminal. I'd like to run Winlink but being realistic that will need a PC platform sadly - Personally I am not at all keen on Windows, so the Surface line does make sense. I guess the added protection is useful during the inevitable percussive maintenance events that occur with having a Windows OS!
Honestly, I would run linux on the Surface hardware, if developers would give us decent tools for that platform. Winlink Express and Vara for Linux are a complete no-go on Linux. PAT Winlink should be ran as an app instead of a webpage, and Vara refuses to go Linux because he wants to get paid.
I would dump Windows in a second if we could have Winlink Express functionality and Vara/VaraFM on Linux. Even better, let's have them on Android.
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Hi Julian, who makes that bumper case for your Surface? Thanks!
I'll get that blog post up with all the links during this weekend.
Just found your channel and love how you emphasize energy needs for these tools! On another note i have 2 questions for you, im looking for a receiver like the Tecsun pl 660 for family who dont want to invest in hf setups. What do you recommend? Also would it be more wise and cost effective to invest in a vhf/uhf setup like your chest pack that uses digirig and a microsoft surface for data modes. Or go with a dmr handheld with its own data modes?
Excellent questions.
For the d m r radio I would suggest looking at mine Retevis Ailunce HD2 videos & shorts. That radio can do analog voice/data and DMR.
For the receiver, Check what frequencies you want to monitor and buy one which covers those frequencies, is simple to use, and can be charged grid down.
Thanks for commenting and for the kindness. It's very much appreciated.
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Excellent station as always! -WONTC
Thanks, this is a fun topic :)
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Great Job, Julian..
Thank you! :)
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hi thanks for all your good work it realy helps .How do you get on for battery life on the surface , can you power it from the main battery pack .The cost of replacement batterys for the surface and fitting make buying a used model a gamble unless it can be backed up with an external supply.
5-6 hours continuous use on both Surfaces. I am thinking about trying out one of the ARM cpu surface tablets since they are supposed to have much longer battery life.
If a ham operator is using a Microsoft Surface Go 2 which does not have an internal GPS feature, can he purchase a GPS accessory unit to use with the Microsoft Surface Go 2 so he can make use of JS8Call?
Of course. You'll just need an adapter or a u s b c hub to plug it in
Do you have a link to your 12v to USB-C PD adapter? I can't find one exactly like yours. Thanks.
I'll try to put up all the links into a new blog post on this topic Saturday. It's been a lot of work to get this video done. So I haven't finished the accompanying posts yet.
Man, I'm getting hooked on your channel. Excellent video's. Keep it up! Thanks for doing this!
and thank you for the kindness.
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I have the same cover and keyboard, both are top notch. I have an old Surface Pro and unfortunately, it only charges through the magnetic Surface Connect. Any suggestion for charging in the field where there is no 110v, other than in inverter, which is more to carry?
Please watch the video again. There was a large part dedicated to charging in this video.
If we have an older rig with no Bluetooth links can I assume we can use a DigiRig? Just curious, did you work in comms when active?
Definitely we can use a DigiRig. In fact I should Have covered that in this video. I'll do a separate video about that device.
My professional comms experience and career came after the Corps. GI Bill 👍
If I missed it on the video, I apologize. What is the theme you are using on the surface go. Some kind of dark theme?
You're all good. I'll eventually add this to the episode notes. I use a windows theme from github called "grayeve theme". It turns off all that ridiculous Microsoft nonsense that kills your eyes. For winlink, there's settings, Set color theme. Make the text white and the background black. Do the same for lists.
For FT8 and JS8Call, Edit the foreground background and list colors as desired.
For FLDigi, there are no themes or settings to make it any better.
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Hi Julian, how do you handle the inevitable Windows Updates? Do they ever interfere with operations - off-grid, or otherwise?
Great question.
I used to, but learned my lesson. First, I don't connect the Surface that often if ever "directly" to the internet. Second, I disable Windows updates until I want to update. Third, I block MS at my firewall, but it still tries to find a way via one of the other machines.
Do you ever have stability problems with the wireless connection between the IC-705 and the Surface Go 2?
Only when the 705 is connected to an overloaded wifi or wifi mesh network. Never when connected to the 705s own wifi network.
@@OH8STN Thanks for that. I have problems with the connection to the 705’s own Wi-Fi network. Most of the times I use it like that the connection eventually drops.
Excellent content. Thank you
You are very welcome.
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You can get a usb-c to the microsoft power cable. To convert the usb c to the propitary connector, this gives you '2' usbc basicly.
Yep, that's what I'm using as well. The surface connect connector is actually USB-C PD, albiet with a different connector.
thanks for the tips.
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What model surface? A newer model or an older one?73
I prefer the M3 cpu LTE model 2,3, or 4. The newer Pentium Gold models have performance issues.
I have a surface pro 4 and it does everything I need for data modes. Use a dock and put it in the shack that way it’s always up to date. You also can power the unit with a 60W PD 12v auto plug and the requisite adapter cable.
@@bryandankanich898I have a Surface Pro 4 as well, does yours have the known issue of the display starting to shake after awhile? If I use FLDIGI or MMSSTV for awhile, the display shakes. It’s a known issue and unforch there’s no remedy excpet to buy a new one. I’m definitely in the market, just don’t want to pay too much for something I pretty much only use for ham radio.
Very cool setup!!! Love the video!
Thanks for watching and commenting. Much appreciated.
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In one of your vids, you mentioned u use a stripped down version of windows but never gave the details. need info about that+ love ur vids
Yes, there are several tools allowing us to remove all bloatware from MS. It is a real process. Search for "Windows 11 debloater tool"
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Hey bro!!! Any word on the lab599 manpack yet?
I saw a short video on it. It didn't leave me with much confidence.
I have a Surface Pro 3 that just sits on my desk. Can I use it instead of the Go?
It doesn't hurt to try 👍
07:34 you can apply a mat screen protector over the tablet
Thanks for the tip. I'll try that.
Can all this be done on the MS Surface Pro 3?
Not sure about the ports and processor on the Pro 3. Why not give it a try?
I try to use only free open source software. I mostly use fldigi and fsq per amrron guide lines.
I have a 10 watt usdr txcvr (china clone), atu-100 tuner, 40m efhw, an old laptop, samsung tab 8 tablet (andflmsg which is very limited and no fsq, but works) and digirig mobile. I have a simple battery pack, diy 18650 packs and vehicle dc laptop power supply. Currently I have no solar panels. It works well and when on battery only 3 cables are used.
Yes, I wish all our software packages were open-source. FLDigi has good functionality, but the user interface is hard on the eyes.
Also wish we had a full-featured open-source Winlink client. PAT is a good start, but not on the same level as Winlink Express.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
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I agree, fldigi ui is old in appearance. Thanks for responding!
No worries. Would have responded earlier, but I was working on this friday's video 👍
Do you know if anyone is working on porting js8call over to android?
Sadly, not that I know of.
I have a Surface GO 2 and gpsgate installed and it is red and says running ok but no data coming in. I have tried everything and searched everywhere I know for a solution. Anybody have any ideas?
LTE has to be turned on, even if there is no simm card.
Thank you! I will try and figure out how to do that
Hi Julian, I need to stop watching your videos LOL. I found a reconditioned M3 variant Surface Go 2 with 8GB and 128 storage on Amazon, and also the Kensington hard case. My credit card now hates you . I've also got the Icom Remote software coming in too. I think its a bit steep of Icom to make users pay for the privilege of remote operation, but I guess if I ever get another digital Icom radio (unlikely), such as the 7300 then I can use it with that also. I'm reminded just how expensive this hobby is at times. 73 G1AW
I use a Getac 2nd hand F110-G3.
I have heard nothing but good things about Getac. How is is working out for you?
How's the tiny antenna work? 10:35
It works great for 144/145. :)
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What pen are you using? OEM or 3rd party?
OEM MicrosoftSurface Pen: ua-cam.com/video/Ot4_Vby9l7w/v-deo.html
My guess is this is only for LTE models?
If there is a WiFi only model workaround let me know what that is.
The only thing dependent on the LTE model is the GPS. If you're using the 705, which has an internal GPS, one could use that. Otherwise choose which model is right for you. I have the original as well as the LTE model.
@@OH8STN Ok, I have the 991A. I might get the external Garmin GPS puck off of Amazon.
Wish I hadn’t installed it. Ever since been getting a Com4 is denied message. I’ve even uninstalled it. Great.
FB OM
Thank you 🙏
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just remember anything you do on a MS tablet or computer is recorded and sent to MS as data so anything you want to be encrypted MS will have a non encrypted version saved, to those that think I'm paranoid you should do some research on what data MS collects, read the fine print in the service agreement. all this is to say don't use MS software or hardware if anything you do may be used against you in the future. Microsoft is just not secure in anyway.
Generally agree but, my Surface DOES NOT connect to the internet! It is for off-grid ham radio.:)
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I mean, it doesn't connect that you know of. Unless you have physically disabled the wifi you don't really know either way.
That said, I'm using a Go 3 LTE.
Agreed, and good point! At home, all ports are blocked unless allowed. In the field, no wifi or LTE enabled. I hate MS spying, so I'm somewhat paranoid about it 🤣👍