Thanks to Dr. Shady Nasser for this fantastic discussion. I hope to talk to him again. I hope everyone enjoys this and can benefit from it. The short answers are in the description, the time stamps are here for your convenience: 00:00:00 Introduction 00:02:11 0. Do Academics Care About Proving Divine Authorship? 00:06:12 1. Did Muhammad Have/Intend to Have a Physical Quran? 00:11:55 2. Can It Be Confirmed that Today’s Quran was Recited by Muhammad? 00:18:11 3. Can it Be Verified that the First Physical Quran is Identical to Today’s Quran? 00:20:37 4. Can it Be Proven that the Quran Was Accurately Compiled? 00:30:26 5. Was the Quran Invented by Others? 00:36:39 6. Is the Quran Miraculously Unique? 00:40:46 7. Is the Quran Objectively Inimitable? 00:46:13 8. Is the Quran Clear? 00:51:00 9.1 Is the Quran Linguistically Flawless? 00:57:50 9.2 Is the Content Flawless? 01:10:50 10. Who wrote the Quran?
So 95% of Muslims do not believe that the Quran is the DIRECT word of God???? This is an absolutely false statement! And you know that yourself, Ridvan! The others here know that too! But this shows how much idea your Harvard professor has about Islam!
@@khattab3910 if the 95%figure is true then 95% of muslims are cleverer than i thought. Of course it is man made probably written 100 years after the death of mohamhead( if he existed).
Bro... Just Research what the Founder of islam Actually DID, & Still try to tell me that he was a Man of GOD... No matter How they try to spin it, mohammad was a Slave Trader, Caravan Robber, Adoption Abolisher, Fly Dunking, Camel Juicing, Paedoe Rapist, Murderer, who Married his Sons wife. These aren't just random insults. ALL of these actions can be found from either the koran or SAHIH Hadiths!
@Jack Smith oh no a smith who is Muslim and I thought we were all intelligent. Source I just bloody told you archeology. Proves that the moon god for example, is the most important, and most worshipped god in all of Arabia . Thousands of artifacts have been discovered from Syria, where the original Arabs came from in tribes. To the banks of the Nile, rings bracelets plates cups tools , all with the crescent moon engraved into them. Even a copper calf. So proving that Ishmael had nothing to do with the original Arabs, and the greatest god of Arabia was the moongod. This proving "the god" (translated) al-lia and his three daughters allat manat and al-uzza were the moongod and his daughters.
Have been fighting for the past 1400 yrs and converting to islam amazed by its truth sweetness morality no stealing of others land no robbing of any kind of others wealth no spreading lies to attack small weak countries like cowards
@@sultanahamed2484 The Quran says, And if he (Muhammad SAW) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allah), We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), And then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta), (Quran 69:44-46, Muhsin Khan) Sometime after Muhammad ate poisoned meat and was dying he exclaimed, ….Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O ‘Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.” (Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713)
It is amazing the calm clarity and knowledge of this man. The anger the malice and violence of most Islamic apologists is diametrically opposed to this. This is the difference between those who seek the truth and those who desperately try to hide it. Thanks.
@@kyliereed200 What's wrong with pasting links if they're valid? My target is for the sincere people. At least I have convinced some of Apus' followers about his dishonesty.
@@philipscorn9006 Farid the "street corner drug dealer part time IsLaM aPoLoGiST" is irrelevant. The time of dealing with the poor men apologists is over. Yes, these Farida and Hijabs are often great comedy and when I want to study how to be a con man they are outstanding sources in ad hominem fallacies, dunning Kruger & radicalism...but here on this channel not only Apostate Prophet but the community in general has moved on to actual scholars and individuals that actually want a reasonable, intelligent conversation.
He is a professor and had a job to do he doesn't care if they get rid of him later he doesn't care he just want to contribute to the facts of the world period.. honest people can't be intimidated.. you can kill the body but not the soul 😂😂😂😂
Theres a Mexican guy on Abdullah Sameers channel (friendly ex-muslim) who converted to Islam, followed the Salafi school for a period and describes his ordeal in a fascinating two part video series. Former Muslim Convert and Ex-Muslim Salafi Aboo Imraan Interview -- ua-cam.com/video/5gXBxjxa1wg/v-deo.html PART 2: Former Muslim Convert and Ex-Muslim Salafi Aboo Imraan Interview -- ua-cam.com/video/v9zsclrMA_k/v-deo.html
Three cheers to professor Shady Nasser. *You are truly an academic* and that is how a true academic presents to his/her own students, grounding them on *methodology* [or 'scientific' approach] not creating blind believers. Your personal beliefs are *irrelevant* but methodology. And these rules applies to all religions, faiths and beliefs. Enjoyed every second of it, brings back memories of my wonderful teachers of my college. Edit: If anyone doing undergrad studies in humanities this is the way to approach your subject matter. Explain your terminology, set back and move out of your box, ask questions and counter questions, look for or bring primary sources to prove your claims. This a wonderful teacher / student conversation in academic level. Do not follow what your ancestors told you or your clan follows. Yes, apologists having PhDs do so, but not true academics as they guide you for your own conclusions wit myriad of counter questions forcing you to find answers. And this is no exception to Christians, Bible, Hindus, Buddhists or anyone else. Loved it!!!
@@kingkamaro9442 No one said it was a debate. Other comments indicate that it is a criticism of Dr. Shady Nasser that Farid rushed out before this video was published.
@@kingkamaro9442 Because it is Farid attacking Dr Nasser. It includes the usual Muslim lack of context. It also to Farid's credit contains researched and properly referenced criticism. However Farid does accidently point out a serious weakness of the Arabic language. He shows three Arabic words with distinct meanings that differ only by two tiny marks. His claim is that Dr. Nasser got the wrong one. Those marks could easily be flyspecks or drops from a pre-ballpoint pen. The meaning of an entire passage could be changed by an inadvertent speck. Languages based on the Greek, Latin or Cyrillic alphabet have weaknesses but not that one. An undotted i is still an i.
Yes, this is excellent. Many non-Muslims and/or ex-Muslims will read academic works by such scholars, however, I found that basically no Muslim makes an effort to ever do so. Therefore, a video like this (if they can sit through it!) can be very informative for them, as well as others interested in such topics.
I love this academic interview AP. This is exactly how things go with my interviews in Judaism and Christianity. I hope a trend develops allowing more people to have critical discussions on this topic more often.
@Derek. What is your position on Jesus Christ? Was he historical or fictional? I want you to be consistent because I came across one of your videos with the title of 'how Romans invented Christianity'. I can't remember the title clearly but it is related to this title I have just written above. Also, what are your reasons for leaving Christianity?
@@philipscorn9006 @Philips Corn and I've written underneath that video that if he so sure Shady Nasser is a charlatan then let's arrange a live debate with him & Shady and I'll contribute towards the cost. As expected Farid hasn't replied back so that just shows you who is the charlatan.
@@adamnasser2995 it someone has made an error then they have made an error and we have to accept that regardless of who they are. Having said that, I can assure you Farid won't have the backbone to debate Shady Nasser because all that will happen is Shady will own up to his mistakes, get that out of the way and then tear Farid to pieces.
Apostate Prophet brings a scholar on islam, the scholar looks to be a native Arabic speaker, the scholar graduated from Harvard, the scholar **teaches** and studies Islam at Harvard, the scholar probably knows Islam inside and out. What will the muslims say? "This guy is not fit to talk about Islam, it needs to be a sheikh", of course. Just you guys wait... At this point, I'm starting to think AP is just giving us more to work with; since muslims don't really listen to him, he brings the best scholars, critics and questioners of the Quran to his channel in order to a) introduce us to their content, if they have it, and b) load us with cutting edge knowlege from specialists about the Quran, Islam and Muhammad. And that's pretty swell of him.
It's like people are in a court room and the one being judged is Islam. Then someone brings a detective to show the evidence he has related to Islam and people start complaining "take this guy outta here, it's only fair if we listen to his lawyer"
Sadly most Muslims will hate Prof. Nasser for speaking about the Quran this way. Today's Muslim apologists portray the Quran as a flawless product when it is clear from academia that it is not. At least Muslim scholars in the past were humble enough to admit that they did the best they could to compile the 'word of God'.
Every religion is depending upon belief, not reality. If they question about reality religion will crumble. So don't try to dig for reality in religion. Religion is not science.
RECIPE FOR ISLAM Take a dollop of Judaism add a fraction of Christianity a large measure of paganism . Put in blender ....out comes mush. Serve liberally
Why would a deity who is supposed to be the creator of the whole universe create a religion that is so un-universal (is that even a word?), a religion that would be so hard for people to understand and follow, unless you live in the 7th century Arabia. Here is what I mean: Why would the creator of the universe start a religion in a language that is spoken by less than 10% of the world’s population AND THEN make it a law that the book he dictated to an illiterate merchant turned warlord shall never ever be translated to any other language? Why would the creator of the universe make everybody face Mecca when praying. Doesn’t he know that the earth is round, and we will one day become a space-faring nation? Why would the creator of the universe make it an obligation for all Muslims to visit an obscure shire in the middle of the desert at least once in a lifetime? Couldn’t he foresee the logistical problems it will make? And the deaths that it will cause (Stampedes happen almost every other year. In 2015, 2144 people died due to a massive stampede)? Wouldn’t Allah know how hard it would be for Asians for example to grow a beard? (Yes, a beard is recommended in the Hadith)? Wouldn’t Allah know how impractical the Hijab would be in other climates? Why doesn’t Allah appreciate the diverse cultures of humankind? Why would Allah feel the need to apply a common denominator to all Muslims, and then choosing pre-Islamic customs as the common denominator? Questions needed to be answered or shouldn’t even have to be questioned if Allah was really a real God .
Using a book to transmit information for a divine being is so hilariously inefficient and stupid it should automatically dismiss any religion that puts that forward.
@@BillRevis well that should apply only to Islam that claims their book is directly given from heaven to Mohamed / the direct word of Allah . The Bible has no such statement but divine inspiration. The Bible is this case is in a better state than Islam which claims that Quran is the literal word of Allah .
@@whoisnext9837 The Bible is said to be the Word of God revealed through both historical writing and through inspiration and example. No part of the book can be wrong because it has been compiled using divine guidance from God. Just like the Qur'an, the Bible cannot be challenged and is regarded as flawless, unique and undeniable. Look at Young Earth Creationists, Ultra-Orthodox Jews etc. They are every bit unbending as hardline Islamists.
@@dulcettones5536 The Islamic belief about revelations and the Christian one are completely different! The Bible can be said to be the word of God because of the following reasons. Through it God speaks to human beings through his son, Jesus Christ.(Heb 1:1-2) All scripture was inspired by God .(2 Timothy 3:16) The human authors/writes were under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Unlike the Quran which Muslims claim that it is sent directly from heavens to Mohamed and there is no evidence that Allah really sent a book ! The probability of the Quran being written by Mohamed exceeds the other hypothesis since there is no historical , archaeological or even witnesses that support Mohamed claim about Allah’s revelations!
@tom hamad Every word in your comment is wrong , deceptive and promote of propaganda! One thing can destroy your whole argument: Where in the Quran it says that other followers of religions will enter paradise ? It’s purely known in Islamic belief that only Muslims ( not guaranteed too ) will enter jannah. Do you want some troubling verses about Allah’s justice ?
I always knew the Quran was fraudulent from the first verse. Surah Al-Fatihah(الفاتحة) 1:1 In the Name of Allah-the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful. If Allah is talking why does he have to refer to himself as in the name of Allah🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 A clear error in the book
@@yousafzai8547 Go ahead prove me wrong Abdool. Your Allah has a shin by the way "I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "Our Lord Allah will lay bare His Shin, and then all the Believers, men and women, will prostrate themselves before Him..." Sahih al-Bukhari 4919🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@yousafzai8547 Why is it stupid? Explain please! It's really bizarre that Allah praises himself.. It's very immodest, and we know that you Muslims you value modesty..
Uh-oh! This is going to be damaging. Edit: I also did an analysis on the supposed ‘preservation’ of the Qur’aan on my channel. It includes all the relevant information that one needs to know about concerning this topic. The conclusion? A devastating one.
As another modern Islamic scholar (Dr Y Qadhi) said ""THE MOMENT WE DO A DEEP DIVE THINGS GET VERY AWKWARD"" with reference to the SIN (Standard Islamic Narrative) He couldn't be more right.
Arabs created Quran from compilations of Pre-Islamic Arabic literature derived from Biblical stories, ideas & popular folklore of 7th century middle-east. Arab empire invented Islam as a tool for imperialism.
@@roshlew6994 I couldn't agree more as Islam like other Abrahamic religions was created by emperors, kings, leaders and warlords to be used as a ""political tool"" to unite and control the masses and to ensure that the leadership have absolute control of political and economic power.
I wish he could talk more about how the theories and ideas about the Quran evolved over time. Also about the dark period between when the Quran supposedly was compiled and later scholars trying to understand. For example he uses LOL, you wouldn’t expect people in 1950 to under it but you would expect some inference of it in 2050. Not a lot of people talk about why it seemed like muslim scholars were rediscovering Islam 200 years later, not building upon prior knowledge. I don’t think warfare is a sufficient answer.
I would think, based on what I gather, because not many people knew how to write Arabic, grammatical Arabic wasn't standardized either. It reminds me of a UA-cam clip I saw where it was mentioned that it was common for households to have 3 shakers, one for salt, one for pepper, and the third one was a mystery. Because no one decided to write it down, now people aren't sure what was in that third shaker, so info can get lost pretty easily.
It was not written by Mohamed.. he just translated it from Syriac books who were Christian Arab books which were at the possession of waraqa bnu nawfal his teacher then Mohamed got an idea of declaring himself officially a prophet when he was very sure of himself thus after going to Medina there he invented that aggressive part of Qur'an contrary to the first verses he recited in Mecca
Absolutely brilliant interview Ridvan. Dr Nasser is actually more forthcoming on specific positions than I've seen in other interviews. Liked the short answer long answer approach. As dawahganda types love to mislead and misuse context.
A Harvard liar. The channel Farid Responds already has a response to this guys lies about the Quran. Horrible example of “Harvard scholarship “. His lies and mistakes are easily refuted simply by following his citations and how mentions thing that simply are not there in the sources he quoted etc etc. He is basically using Harvard as a brand to fool people into thinking he did some real research when in fact he is simply making things up. Furthermore, shame on the Harvard PhD committee for not being thorough in its investigation. Clearly they have an agenda.
@@snf321gotti6 Huh? Pikachu literally admitted that s 3 x slav3ry and pedophililia is halal. What are you talking about?😂 Tell me you're crying Jihadi tears without telling me you're crying Jihadi tears🤣
@@proudexmuslim3719 I believe the Moron associate of yours was asking for an example of one Muslim apologist who graduated from Harvard . Thanks for being dumb.
@@snf321gotti6 I didn't ask for nothing you lil goosey. Seems like the too informed Islamists did not see the video of Pikachu openly admitting that pedophililia and s 3 x slav3ry is "beautiful". Or maybe you're just a butthurt Abdool🤣💀 #crymejihaditears
If you really want to see an Islamic community which is friendly and peaceful, come, visit my country Indonesia 😂 not quite "Islamic" by middle east standard, but still it is a country with Muslim majority, a handful of them have transnational, radical view of Islam, sometimes terrible terrorists managed to attack, but in overall we are a peaceful society ❤
@tom hamad You must be fond of pedophilia as Muhammad, the "best example" of Islam, is the pedophile priest of Islam and the Quran sanctions pedophilia as "marriage" in 33:49 and 65:4. So shameful and disgusting.
Composition and bla bla of the time only in Arabia where language hadn't developed. But greeks and Egyptians wrote well composed books 1000s years before
Also no one is saying saying they came with it from their ass. They say that it evolved from Christian and Judeac sects. Like quran isn't Arabic, it's Aramaic meaning book of prayer. Like these letters mean something in syriac prayers of Christian or judeochrosotan sects of the time
The guy is a pathetic apologist. The way he believes and justifies contradictions is pathetic. Not all Muslims. 95% of Muslims etc etc etc Matter of fact is we have a huge swath who believe it is unadulterated inspired etc etc it all boils down they think it came down and there are errors
The reason it is pathetic is because when you cover up fascist movements and ideologies, you'll inevitable be the victim of them. You know they kill people who think, who discuss these like himself. Thats the danger
That dude is such a clown lmao, after Ridwan last interview with that near eastern scholar he made a video talking about how AP “edited” it to “deceive” viewers. Such a cope
In his book Twenty Three Years, Iranian scholar Ali Dashti admits the truth about the Qur’an: The Qur’an contains sentences which are incomplete and not fully intelligible without the aid of commentaries; foreign words, unfamiliar Arabic words, and words used with other than the normal meaning; Adjectives and verbs inflected without observance of the concords of gender and number; illogically and ungrammatically applied pronouns which sometimes have no referent; and predicates which in rhymed passages are often remote from the subjects. These and other such aberrations in the language have given scope to critics who deny the Qor’an’s eloquence
Was the Prophet of Islam an Atheist? Yes the heading will certainly raise some eyebrows but bear with me and please be open minded as I present to you an unconventional but certainly probable exposition on Muhammed, the final Prophet. According to Muslims, Muhammed was a 7th century Arab who received revelations from God through an angel intermediary over a period of 23 years, thus forming the basis of the Quran - a scripture containing all the revelations. But this is where we run into problems. When you open the Quran and read these supposed revelations (from an ALL knowing powerful God) you discover the following irregularities and discrepancies. 1.Verses originating from myths and legends (Syriac Legend of Alexander and The 7 Sleepers of Ephesus ) 2. Verses originating from rejected apocryphal biblical and gnostic sources (The Infancy Gospel of Thomas) 3. Verses lifted straight from the bible (Universe created in 6 days, Camel through the Eye of a needle) 4. Verses that seem to serve the personal whims and fancies of Muhammed (who he can marry, which wife he can spend more time with etc). 5. Verses that keeps repeating immoral intercouse with married female captives.(4:24, 23:1, 70:29, 33:50 etc) 6. Verses that undermines the status of women. (beat them, testimony is worth less than than that of a man, 4 months seclusion) 7. Verses that are confusing and strange (3.7 basically says the entire Qur'an is unclear and if try to understand it you have a disease. 3:81) 8. Verses that places a bizarre emphasis on sexual pleasure for men (and Jinn) in the afterlife (55:56). 9. Verses that provide zero context or explanation (Who is Abu Lahab?) 10. Verses that repeatedly confirm the inspiration, preservation, authority and authenticity of the 7th century bible even though Muslims insist it's been corrupted from the 1st century (3.3, 5:47, 7:157 etc) 11. Verses that are completely wrong on how it depicts science, biology and cosmology. (All alleged scientific "miracles" can be easily refuted using Quran itself) 12. Verses that challenge the reader to its Divinity even though the same challenge can be applied to any book in history. 13. Verses mostly end with a threat of punishment or humiliation for the individual who doesn't submit. 14. Verses that practically copy and paste it's laws from the Jewish Talmud and other scriptures. 15. Verses that has nothing new to say so just repeats the same thing over and over again. 16. Verses that quote biblical characters as if they're 7th century Arabs. 17. Verses that are contradictory (no compulsion in religion vs fight those that those who don't believe) 18. Verses that start and end abruptly, arranged haphazardly and gives no context. 19. Verses that have zero benefit for mankind and if removed affects nothing. 20. Verses that are different to other versions of Qur'an so not perfectly preserved (Hafs vs Warsh) .....and many more. Looking at these issues objectively - one thing becomes absolutely clear - the Quran could NOT have come from an All Knowing and Perfect Divine Source but rather a human/s making standard fallable errors, taking many years to perfect it, but still falling short. >>>So what type of human scribe is this? If this author believed in some kind of Deity or Higher Power that judged him according to his actions, he would NOT be as brazen, confident, arrogant, shameless, narcissistic, fearless and determined enough to fabricate this entire verse revelation fallacy. He'll be far too afraid of the repercussions, yes? Therefore the ONLY conclusion that one can draw is that the author/s of the Quran MUST have been an atheist or at the very least agnostic with zero accountability or culpability for his elaborate campaign.( Notice how the Quran keeps saying - "there is no blame on you" for immoral verses such as 23:1-6, 33:50 and 70:29-30. >>>Now why is the Qur'an essentially a book that implores people to believe in a God that he personally did not believe in? Muhammed noticed one thing that with the Jews, Christians and Pagans and all other groups, that motivated his campaign. The ONLY thing guaranteed to get a large amount of people to follow a single cause is through belief in some type of supernatural Deity that can't be seen or heard. It's the belief/faith that He/It is there that matters. And then proceed to make up countless promises of eternal bliss if you submit to this Deity or a torturous eternal punishment if you don't. How do you think the Christian missionaries managed to spread a complex 3in1 belief that no one understands so rapidly? >>>What was his end game - if not to begin a new religion? Belief in "Allah" is just the deception. The ultimate goal was subjugation and control to get people to submit to your will on the pretext of being a Prophet where you have access to vast amounts of wealth (jizya) and assets (war booty) and copious amounts of sex slaves but do it on the pretext of a Divine instruction. This is what "Allah wants" but ultimately it's me who gets it. (His own child bride Ayesha even declared - your "Lord" rushes to fulfill your desires). Wow. Over the next next few hundred years Muhammads status was honed, shaped manipulated and fabricated into the "best of creations" where he has now achieved an almost God like status, occupying a position closer to your average Muslim than his/her own mother. I'd say he was something of a 7th century religious cult leader many of whom typically still practise their "craft" today.
Oh yes, that professor is such a thorn in our side! A professor who thinks that 95% of us Muslims do not believe that the Koran is the DIRECT word of God. We are laughing at you. Only you don't realize that :)
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@@khattab3910 your holy book is full of grammar errors...
@@khattab3910 You don't even understand what the guy says : 3:58 "You want to believe it's the word of God, it's the word of God; you don't want to believe in that, it's not" Do you understand now ? I will not type all the discussion for you..
@tom hamad You can find and download authentic quran and tafsirs from islamic websites of saudi and jordan kingdoms. Read your books before you talk about your religion.
@tom hamad Islam is about to take a massive hit. Do you have any idea how much of the “Muslim” youth are secretly apostates? If I didn’t dislike Islam I might have felt bad for you.
@@abubaytnighan6480 Try to study the San'a and Birmingham manuscripts of Muhammad's contemporaries and also the Ottoman manuscripts in Turkey. Very different from the Bible which does not have a contemporary manuscript of Jesus.
@@panduwilantara3070 bruh the Quranic manuscripts prove the book was corrupted. Do you just say the opposite and walk away without research? + you don’t need to go far to see different versions of the Quran. You can look up multiple versions online now. Muslims just ignore them and say it’s qiraat
So, is Dr Nasser a believing Muslim? If all Muslims were like this, I would like them so much more lol. Secular academia has been doing deep analysis & textual criticism of the Bible, as a historical text, for hundreds of years. It’s sad that the same critical lense is so discouraged when it comes to the Quran.
@@khalid2733 How arrogant are you? What can you do that God will find pleasure? God is complete. He has everything he wants or ever wants. You are nothing to God. Nothing you do matters to God. Let me repeat. You are not that important.
1. Dialect 2. Old Arabic are NOT the same as Modern Arabic 3. Qur'an was written years after Muhammad died 4. Original Qur'an was burned 5. Depend on reciting which could potentially change
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 1 Peter 2:24 KJV
Ooh, I like this guy. Yes. Academics, historians, and scientists have no business with god. We work with evidence not faith. Faith belongs to the theologians.
But faith must be based on something tangible or else it's just blind faith. Jesus for example performed many miracles in public before asking strangers to trust him. The apostles saw Jesus resurrected and their willingness to die or be tortured to death over that claim is what allowed Christianity to expand, otherwise it would have died with Jesus ( if faking the resurrection of a publicly executed leader was so easy, we would have countless successful examples yet we only have one if you want to consider Jesus case a fake).
Dr Nasser is a heavy weight scholar, my thanks to him for taking the time! 🙏 Amazing that you got him on your channel AP! 👏 I am listening to the conversation now with great enthusiasm.
Anti Muslim here, but at 52:40 you are trying to put words into his mouth. This is a linguistics issue. He says that grammatical error can only be considered error by the standardized rules of arabic grammar which only came into being 200 year AFTER the quran. In short there are no errors in quran AS FAR AS GRAMMER IS CONCERNED. Its called dialectal variations of a unstandardized language. Thats exactly why arabic was later standardized in the first place to eliminate these dialectal variations
Sonnet is unique ,patriarch sonnet is more unique ,Shakespeare sonnet is also .So ,this kind of uniqueness does not mean any thing . The Hebrew bible also ryhme based especialy the the revelation of Jhon and many parts of the bible in Hebrew are poetic .Dr.Naseer is really honest ,he says what he knews .
As I was sipping my coffee was pondering how come AP hasn’t put anything damaging to Islam and behold allah delivered again using the Apostate Prophet :)
@@Liam-wp7fu ce n'est pas pour moi mais j'ai des amis qui ne comprennent pas et qui me disent qu'il y a quelque temps c'était traduit, maintenant ce n'est plus le cas.
According to the Sunni Muslims, the Qur'an is uncreated, which means that it has always existed. Since the physical, the "earthly" Qur'an was composed after the death of Muhammad, how do we know that the order of the surahs in the earthly Qur'an is the same than in the Heavenly Qur'an ?
There have never been any incident in which any of the Companions reciting in any order that violated the order of the verses showed to us by the Prophet (saws).
the Quran is arranged as it is now would be that this is how Allah wanted it to be. Before his death, the Angel Gabriel visited the Prophet to go over the Quran and tell him to place which parts where and in what order.
@@RG-107 "the Angel Gabriel visited the Prophet to go over the Quran" There must be a solid source, a hadith, about that otherwise it's like quoting a novel of Karen Armstrong. Here's a hadith that contradicts your claim: Narrated Zaid bin Thabit: " _Abu Bakr said (to me), `Umar has come to my and said, 'A great number of Qaris of the Holy Qur'an were killed on the day of the battle of Al-Yamama, and I am afraid that the casualties among the Qaris of the Qur'an may increase on other battle-fields whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I consider it advisable that you (Abu Bakr) should have the Qur'an collected.' I said, 'How dare I do something which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do?'_ " Sahih al-Bukhari 7191
I found particularly interesting Dr Nasser's answers on how literary asthetics have differed over time and the speech of god nuances (I assume he talks with Khalil Andani at Harvard who talks about the latter issue on Twitter). Shady has done very interesting work on the canonization process. His first book focused on how certain readings became shadhdh (non-canonical) and the second published last year explores what we can learn from Ibn Mujahid's book of the seven readings. Of course, certain bozo apologists try to paint him as some kind of polemicist in disguise, but I hope it's clear from his manner in this interview that his work is concerned with questions of academic interest. Other academics certainly admire and appreciate his work.
I'd already heard it and have seen these attack points all before. Here are a couple of responses on reddit to Farid's video: 1 of 2: "The general consensus on Aasim: trustworthy but bad retention. Weak on unique transmissions. There's a compilation of opinions on him here, and even on the page that Farid displayed [2:09] they're calling him 'unretentive' 'dismissed'."
2 of 2: "On the al Tabari one Nasser admitted the mistake and corrected himself in his second book p. 107. Tabari did criticise the maaliki reading, but it was maalaka that he said was against consensus so that's the only bit on the screenshot page that Nasser got wrong. Sure, it's a mistake (van Putten guessed Nasser may have used the edition with the typo there), but the overall point stands whereby Nasser gives numerous examples of Tabari criticising variants that became canonical. Nasser did make some mistakes about Ibn Attiyah, and the biography entries for Qunbul (Farid himself found that there's at least one edition of the source with the same mistake, albeit not the edition Shady cited) and Ibn Dhakwan. He wrote two massive books, so while he should have done better, it's going to have some mistakes. Neither Farid nor his friends have been able to address the reports on other readers and transmitters, so it barely affects the point Nasser is making. Nasser was essentially correct that Asim was often weakened, as van Putten confirmed when this came up before, but Nasser explicitly says that he is only listing negative reports and explains why afterwards. It's part of his theory on why tawatur became so important, that this aspect of hadith methodology wasn't wholey viable for the readers and transmitters. Nasser even explicitly states right after the list that he has been selective and most reports for each reader say they were trustworthy, which you'd never guess from Farid's hatchet job. But Farid loves to straw man people. And as for the ahruf hadith stuff - another straw man as Dr Hishami pointed out after confirming with Nasser himself. Nasser carefully explains in the book that he is not seeking to establish its authenticity or otherwise, but rather he is interested in when it was starting to circulate widely. Van Putten also backed him against Farid on this (except for on the Ubayy version). Incidentally, Van Putten has also called out Farid in the past for a dishonest misreading Ibn al Jazari."
Harvard Professor...what would he know? Next time get someone with some proper qualifications to speak on this subject. Someone like Muhammed Hijab for example.
Indeed. I love listening to that H.i.j.a.b. l.u.n.a.t.i.c. and his h.a.l.f.-a.-m.o.r.o.n. friend, A.l.i. D.a.w.a.h. . Christian Prince ripped those two apart while everyone laughed at them.
He has many many talks along these lines at conferences that have been posted, and has talked with other people on these topics. He does not seem very concerned. I love listening to him, a true academic!
There's a video by some random guy criticizing the professor. Funnily the viewers believe him more than a Harvard scholar who has spent years studying the Quran. Shows how stupid some people can be
As a Muslim I appreciate Professor Shady for what he does and his writings. There is no point in hiding historical issues/controversies when the goal is to seek the truth. You can really tell the sincerity in Shady when he talks about the topics he does.
We should change the definition of abrogated in this subject. Change it to: they found the obvious contradictions which prove it is not from Allah so they removed them because there are no contradictions in the quran. 😂
Very honest from the heart calm and plain speaking and sharing by prof Nasser very rare to see from a Muslim perspective . Very much appreciate him for sharing his time and intellect
The Quran jumps around a lot because nobody back then (8th century A.D.) was writing a coherent story. Poppycock! What about the Greeks and Sumerians? What about Moses and the Prophets? Blaming the ignorance of the people for the jumble, which is the Quran, is no defense. "By Western Standards" That's nonsense. Moses wasn't a Westerner. He came from Egypt. Isaiah wasn't a Westerner but his prophecy is pretty well organized. The Sumerians weren't Westerners. The Epic of Gilgamesh is a coherent story. Holding up "the poor ignorant Arabs" as a defense for the mess, which is the Quran, is ridiculous. Was Israel a Western country? John wrote the Gospel of John. That's a coherent story. John lived in the first century A.D. Arabs who slapped together the Quran 8 or 9 centuries later couldn't tell a coherent story? Puh-lease.
Why does a god use metaphors? Even if he just wants to deliver a message by the messenger, why the god makes the art of literature? Does the god want to show his abilities to make literal art? Which one is more important to deliver the message or to make art? And Doesn't God know the faith of the Quran? Doesn't he know after many centuries this book's words will not be understood truly? So why he made mistake to send his messages. How can we imagine a God who has no ability to deliver the message to his believers, even if he creates all the universe he has no ability to send his messages truly understand???
I am Pakistani ex- Muslim, I have been searching for truth about Quranic text and stories. And now , I got all answers for everyone , like what means الم = ا ل م ، Or who wrote it , where and what it is talking about it . Where Allah name came from , Or who was Mohammed and what was his real name .
Allah is a fabricated name of Arabic ideology called Islam, my understanding of , where Allah name came from and why it is also known as moon god in Egyptian history? We have to open pages of history of Asia and Europe about 3000 years ago, what was happening in India , Pakistan , Iran, Iraq , Israel , Egypt , Greece , Italy and many other known major countries back then. And need to understand who was super power and what was role of them in known planet earth then , according to know religions books and some deeper looking in history, we find some clues. I found out emperor Rama from India was a very powerful Emperor, who was running a Continuation of a very big empir as a family kingship , for thousands and thousands years and most of kings from this empire are Hindus’ Bhagwan, like shiva , Kirisna, Manu, Buddha, Rama, Brahama etc, it might be more then 2 thousands years since Brahama ( Abraham/ Ibrahim / el / Gilgamesh seems one man story) time , Rama had 2 sons from Seeta , Lov and Kush , When Lov and Kush grew up , both became warlord as emperor Rama him self and added many far distance countries to their empire. We have historical fact , Israel was conquered by Rama’s son Lav , and known as Al - Lah in Arabic language or older language of that area and he made many shiva temples in all those countries were he went , one of that temple is Muslims Kabba with shiva idol, and shiva idol is broken many time but it has place in silver frame, and that black stone is called higra e Aswad , and going around 7 time of this black stone ( Hijjra e aswad ) , is short name of Hujj . You got it ? Higra to Hujj, it just a yearly festival of older time pagans ( Indian Hindus) , but with time some one change it to fabricated Islamic ideology. And Indian kings Purans became with added local stories and pronounced as Quran with Q .
Dr. Shady Nasser: *"THERE ARE MANY GRAMMATICAL INCONSISTENCIES IN THE QXRXN! If they were written by a Person, by a Poet, they would go after him! They would say: Oh this is wrong!"...you don't justify it! But because it's the Qxrxn, you have to justify it! It can not be wrong!"*
In his book Twenty Three Years, Iranian scholar Ali Dashti admits the truth about the Qur’an: The Qur’an contains sentences which are incomplete and not fully intelligible without the aid of commentaries; foreign words, unfamiliar Arabic words, and words used with other than the normal meaning; Adjectives and verbs inflected without observance of the concords of gender and number; illogically and ungrammatically applied pronouns which sometimes have no referent; and predicates which in rhymed passages are often remote from the subjects. These and other such aberrations in the language have given scope to critics who deny the Qor’an’s eloquence
@Apostate Prophet very nice listening to the conversation, I know you had questions, but it developed nicely. Thanks to both of you for the information.
Thank you for an interesting lesson. To hear about Islam and not have thrown down your throat. Basically I understand the fundamentalist are confused and in fact inadequately tooled to see the turmoil in themselves and revert to blaming the outside world for their inadequacy in keeping the cage door of dogma alive.
Well how would one know what the so called word of God is? How would one tell the difference? Would probably be smarter to use a more convincing way of showing yourself than word
@@TheBarser 2 method. First, one claim to received revelation from God and wrote it in a book. Second, God Himself spoke and recorded by eye witness or at least 3rd generation. Which method is valid ?
Absolutely impressive that you managed to get such a reputable scholar as Dr. Nassar on your program!! Listening attentively, taking notes and you're asking the same follow up questions that are going through my mind! Much respect to you and Dr. Nasser for agreeing to do this interview. Looking forward to seeing you have more scholars on your program! Awesome interview! My respect level for AP has significantly increased!
@@nemesis1291 that's not an opinion! it is called fact-checking you can do it yourself if you have access to the references, you will even be able to refute what shady brought and misquoted! We already heard shady's side and now it's time for his followers to hear the muslim side and be more skeptical of shady for being incompetent and ask him to respect his viewers intellect! You don't need to hear a rebuttal since all the references are being provided to check there, just do some fact checking and you will arrive at the same conclusion that shady is incompetent and a charltn!
@@nemesis1291 LOL you are the definition of fanboyism since you didn't even care about what Shady's been spoon feeding you this whole time to end up in this embarrassing situation! Now you resorted to ad hominem instead of dealing with the content, so predictable!
Even Al Razi -one of the most brilliant polymaths of the Islamic Golden Age (He lived in Persia in the 10th Century A.D. approx) is said to have pointed out the manifold errors in the Koran whether factual or grammatical- that its literary stylistics are poor and that there were loads of other writings vastly superior to it in many languages.He also pointed out the phenomenon of Muslims becoming enraged and violent if any of their beliefs were challenged!
I think he showed me that my understanding of the Koran and history is a lot more complicated than I thought it was, with varying beliefs within Islam not necessarily being right or wrong. Thank you. I think I will be slower to judge, and to think I know something. I wonder if I really know enough to get it right!
@@Hebelinahebel1 HAHAHA Video of Farid reacts. Give me a video of someone who is from HARVARD who refutes Nasser. Then I will watch... or maybe a video of Ethman refuting Nesser.
@@wandering_circles7487 You're not a honest person aren't you? Watch the Video see what Fariid had to say, then Email the "scholar" Shady Nasser and apostate prophet and ask them to refute him.
Surah Fussilat 41 : 37 prohibiting muslim to worship sky objects (sun, moon, stars) is recited by Muhammad (because he's illiterate) 3-5 years (AD 613-615) after he proclaimed as a prophet of allah in AD 610. He copied the Jews' Tanak (Bible: the Old Testament) Exodus 20 : 4, Deuteronomy 4 : 19 & 17 : 3 that Yahweh, the God of Israel that's worshiped by Abraham, Ishaq & Yakub, forbids the Israelites to worship sky objects but Q 6 : 77 muslims used to worship the moon goddess 🌙 & Q 53 : 49 Sirius the brightest star used to be Allah. William Tisdall says in his book "The Original Sources of the Qur'an - Its Origin In Pagan Legends and Mythology" during that time Muhammad followed some of Jewish's, Christian's & the Sabian belief and practices. At that time he was still befriended wth them. He had access to Jewish's, Christian's & the Sabians (ancient people of Mesopotamia (nowadays Iraq until southern Syria) scriptures. He admitted the rightful Inhibitans of Israel in the Palestinian's land (Quran 5: 20-26), Jews & Christian are good friends. They'll go to heaven., but quran 5:82 to hate the Jews but Christians are the kindest to muslim, fight & slaughter the Jews (Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Hadith 6981 & 6985), quran 5:14 to hate Christians, quran 9:29 to fight theJews & Christias, 5 : 51, 1 : 7 the Christians & Jews are the cursed ones. Muhammad ordered muslims to pray 5x/ day to curse them, the Pact of Omar in AD 717, allah turned the Jews into pigs & monkeys Q 2 : 65 & 5 : 60, 7 : 163, rats are made from the Jews Sahih Al Bukhari, book 54, Hadith 524, cut the neck & fingers of the disbelievers Q 8 : 12 & 47 : 3 - 4, to kill the non muslims Sahih Al Bukhari Vo. I, p. 13, Q 9 : 14, to wipe out non muslims Q 6 : 44 - 45 & many more. Why there are many contradictions ??? The turning point is in AD 624. Muhammad wanted to be accepted as their new prophet (the Jew were waiting for their Masiah & the Christian were waiting for the coming of Christ for the 2nd time). When they rejected him he turned against them. Muhammad quarrelled with the Jews in AD 624 in Medina. Muhammad chased, killed & expelled them out of the Arabian Peninsula.... W. Tidall, p. 39. In the same page says in the same year Muhammad performed his 1st 'Idu'l Adha. While the Jews slaughtered lambs Muhammad slaughtered 2 kids. One for his people & one for himself. Book of Dr. Daniel Alan Brubaker "Corrections in Early Qur'an Manuscripts". Dr. Dan says, "There are thousands seemingly endless deletions & insertions in the early quranic manuscripts (7th century)". Quran is just a man made book. Western & European historians are free from religious oppression, intimidation & collusion. Not like their fellow muslim historians in their muslim countries. Eventhough they don't live in muslim countries but they're still bound with their religion. By making a report which is contrary to the quran & islamic rules and agreements the muslim historian could still face death threat, eg. Salman Rushdie. Salman actually didn't make any report which is contrary with the quran. It's already there ! Q 22 : 52 (read the interpretation of the verse by Ibn Kathir, 1999 printing, vol 5, p. 441).
The turning point is in AD 624. It's explained near the end of this reply. You shouldn't rely on the quranic verses only but you've to know the time & history of Muhammad. You should know the reason(s) why this/ that verses were written & when. Read book of William St. Tisdall. I've got one. Google who's he & his achievements. Western/ European historian can investigate any historical event free of religious oppression. The reports will be published & debated in the public. If the author is lying/ making up a story he/ she could be persecuted by the government for making false statements in attempt to gain personal's interest (eg. money by selling his/ her books or famous name but by deceiving people). You can't do it the the democratic Western & European countries but you can do it muslim countries after collaborating with their imams. Surah Fussilat 41 : 37 prohibiting muslim to worship sky objects (sun, moon, stars) is recited by Muhammad (because he's illiterate) 3-5 years (AD 613-615) after he proclaimed as a prophet of allah in AD 610. He copied the Jews' Tanak (Bible: the Old Testament) Exodus 20 : 4, Deuteronomy 4 : 19 & 17 : 3 that Yahweh, the God of Israel that's worshiped by Abraham, Ishaq & Yakub, forbids the Israelites to worship sky objects but Q 6 : 77 muslims used to worship the moon goddess 🌙 & Q 53 : 49 Sirius the brightest star used to be Allah. William Tisdall says in his book "The Original Sources of the Qur'an - Its Origin In Pagan Legends and Mythology" during that time Muhammad followed some of Jewish's, Christian's & the Sabian belief and practices. At that time he was still befriended wth them. He had access to Jewish's, Christian's & the Sabians (ancient people of Mesopotamia (nowadays Iraq until Southern Syria) scriptures. Quran has many contradictions, eg. Muhammad admitted the rightful Inhibitans of Israel in the Palestinian's land (Quran 5: 20-26), Jews & Christian are good friends. They'll go to heaven but quran 5:82 to hate the Jews & the Christians are the kindest to muslim, fight & slaughter the Jews (Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Hadith 6981 & 6985), quran 5:14 to hate Christians, quran 9:29 to fight theJews & Christian, 5 : 51, 1 : 7 the Christians & Jews are the cursed ones. Muhammad ordered muslims to pray 5x/ day to curse them, the Pact of Omar in AD 717, allah turned the Jews into pigs & monkeys Q 2 : 65 & 5 : 60, 7 : 163, rats are made from the Jews Sahih Al Bukhari, book 54, Hadith 524, cut the neck & fingers of the disbelievers Q 8 : 12 & 47 : 3 - 4, to kill the non muslims Sahih Al Bukhari Vo. I, p. 13, Q 9 : 14, to wipe out non muslims Q 6 : 44 - 45 & many more. The turning point is in AD 624 in Medina. Muhammad wanted to be accepted as their new prophet (the Jew were waiting for their Masiah & the Christian were waiting for the coming of Christ for the 2nd time). When they rejected him he turned against them with sword. Muhammad quarrelled with the Jews in AD 624 in Medina. Muhammad chased, killed & expelled them out of the Arabian Peninsula.... W. Tidall, p. 39. In the same page says in the same year Muhammad performed his 1st 'Idu'l Adha. While the Jews slaughtered lambs Muhammad slaughtered 2 kids. One for his people & one for himself.
What I learned from Western debaters on the art or debate is that they put their opinions and personal beliefs to the side and remain consistently academic the entire time. That’s what this professor is doing and it’s something most muslim debaters cannot seem to do.
True as a muslim i cannot imagine debates between muslim scholars and ex muslim atheist in mosques not even in the distant future .. priests and atheists debates in church opened a new world for me where everyone was so decent and polite .. in my journey the ex christian debates helped me more than the ex muslim movement which is all about shouting , abusing and ridiculing .
@@sumyunguy6894its a waste of time and energy when the opposing side refuses to debate rationally and logically .. and then comes the personal attack .. so its best to avoid such conversations .. common sense is something you cannot share .
Thanks to Dr. Shady Nasser for this fantastic discussion. I hope to talk to him again. I hope everyone enjoys this and can benefit from it.
The short answers are in the description, the time stamps are here for your convenience:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:11 0. Do Academics Care About Proving Divine Authorship?
00:06:12 1. Did Muhammad Have/Intend to Have a Physical Quran?
00:11:55 2. Can It Be Confirmed that Today’s Quran was Recited by Muhammad?
00:18:11 3. Can it Be Verified that the First Physical Quran is Identical to Today’s Quran?
00:20:37 4. Can it Be Proven that the Quran Was Accurately Compiled?
00:30:26 5. Was the Quran Invented by Others?
00:36:39 6. Is the Quran Miraculously Unique?
00:40:46 7. Is the Quran Objectively Inimitable?
00:46:13 8. Is the Quran Clear?
00:51:00 9.1 Is the Quran Linguistically Flawless?
00:57:50 9.2 Is the Content Flawless?
01:10:50 10. Who wrote the Quran?
Thanks for the time stamps and short answers in the description. Very helpful.
Why not Dr.Zakir Naik.We want to see you with Dr. Zakir Naik.
So 95% of Muslims do not believe that the Quran is the DIRECT word of God???? This is an absolutely false statement! And you know that yourself, Ridvan! The others here know that too! But this shows how much idea your Harvard professor has about Islam!
@@khattab3910 if the 95%figure is true then 95% of muslims are cleverer than i thought.
Of course it is man made probably written 100 years after the death of mohamhead( if he existed).
Please bring Pakistan born Canadian columnist and writer TAREK FATEH in your show....
I was going to accept islam.thanks for saving me.
What is there to " accept "? Just a radical belief system stuck in the 7th century morals of a man called mohammed
Why were you even considering that ridiculous thought?? Read the New Testament
Do you think such childish taqiyyah can brighten the image of izlam? #no way
Nobody actually gives a sh't even if your cmt is sincere.
You're too smart for Islam.
Bro... Just Research what the Founder of islam Actually DID, & Still try to tell me that he was a Man of GOD...
No matter How they try to spin it, mohammad was a Slave Trader, Caravan Robber, Adoption Abolisher, Fly Dunking, Camel Juicing, Paedoe Rapist, Murderer, who Married his Sons wife.
These aren't just random insults. ALL of these actions can be found from either the koran or SAHIH Hadiths!
Great conversation! Fighting Islam with its own sources and history is the best way forward, fighting lies by simply speaking the truth.
Archeology denies Islam time and time again
@Jack Smith oh no a smith who is Muslim and I thought we were all intelligent.
Source I just bloody told you archeology.
Proves that the moon god for example, is the most important, and most worshipped god in all of Arabia . Thousands of artifacts have been discovered from Syria, where the original Arabs came from in tribes. To the banks of the Nile, rings bracelets plates cups tools , all with the crescent moon engraved into them. Even a copper calf.
So proving that Ishmael had nothing to do with the original Arabs, and the greatest god of Arabia was the moongod. This proving "the god" (translated) al-lia and his three daughters allat manat and al-uzza were the moongod and his daughters.
Have been fighting for the past 1400 yrs and converting to islam amazed by its truth sweetness morality no stealing of others land no robbing of any kind of others wealth no spreading lies to attack small weak countries like cowards
@@sultanahamed2484 you have been reading the wrong book that's not the koran mate. Islam been built on massacre rape, racism. And land grabbing.
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The Quran says,
And if he (Muhammad SAW) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allah), We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), And then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta), (Quran 69:44-46, Muhsin Khan)
Sometime after Muhammad ate poisoned meat and was dying he exclaimed,
….Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O ‘Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.” (Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713)
It is amazing the calm clarity and knowledge of this man. The anger the malice and violence of most Islamic apologists is diametrically opposed to this. This is the difference between those who seek the truth and those who desperately try to hide it. Thanks.
C+ for effort
OMG, look at this:: Farid Vs Shady Nasser: ua-cam.com/video/SRvc6YARzRY/v-deo.html
Yeah sure both of them forgot that the prophet couldn't read or write so how could he write the book lol
@@philipscorn9006 Another Farid fanboy, copy and pasting his links for him instead of using your own brain to challenge Shady Nasser…
@@kyliereed200 What's wrong with pasting links if they're valid? My target is for the sincere people. At least I have convinced some of Apus' followers about his dishonesty.
5:20 "....and then he started to loose his creativity." = Waraqa Ibn Nawfal, Mo's "inspiration", died!
I was looking for your comment lol .
* "ran out of things to make up"
It's because he could not get out all those guests from his house untill God send surah to adress that problem. So many dishes to wash
Exactly.
Thanks to Dr Shady Nasser for answering such difficult questions honestly. Please be safe.
Wake up habub
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Sellouts
@@mohdsadiq1928 look at the panic in your behaviour, spamming the same link and text in every comment. This is very telling...
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@@mohdsadiq1928 these are not lies brother.
It was funny at the end of the interview, I could tell AP was being polite and not say his trademark phrase, "And stay away from Islam!"
OMG, look at this:: Farid Vs Shady Nasser: ua-cam.com/video/SRvc6YARzRY/v-deo.html
@@philipscorn9006 Farid the "street corner drug dealer part time IsLaM aPoLoGiST" is irrelevant. The time of dealing with the poor men apologists is over. Yes, these Farida and Hijabs are often great comedy and when I want to study how to be a con man they are outstanding sources in ad hominem fallacies, dunning Kruger & radicalism...but here on this channel not only Apostate Prophet but the community in general has moved on to actual scholars and individuals that actually want a reasonable, intelligent conversation.
@@philipscorn9006 look at the panic in your behaviour, spamming the same link and text in every comment. This is very telling...
I really hope this interview will not endanger Dr. Nasser in any way. Such are the days we live in, that one has to make a comment like this.
I'm thankful he hasn't been intimidated by the religion of peace.
He is a professor and had a job to do he doesn't care if they get rid of him later he doesn't care he just want to contribute to the facts of the world period.. honest people can't be intimidated.. you can kill the body but not the soul 😂😂😂😂
OMG, look at this:: Farid Vs Shady Nasser: ua-cam.com/video/SRvc6YARzRY/v-deo.html
Thought the same it takes courage to speak the way he spoke in this interview. In previous interviews I've seen he's much more reticent.
Many qualified historians that have discovered damaging information against Islam face threats from those who do not wish to hear it.
I think me and you could have an beneficial live stream, im an ex salafi/jihadi Muslim, i have many classical sources which show Islams madness
That would be great to watch
Were you a convert to Islam?
Do you have any videos?
Theres a Mexican guy on Abdullah Sameers channel (friendly ex-muslim) who converted to Islam, followed the Salafi school for a period and describes his ordeal in a fascinating two part video series.
Former Muslim Convert and Ex-Muslim Salafi Aboo Imraan Interview -- ua-cam.com/video/5gXBxjxa1wg/v-deo.html
PART 2: Former Muslim Convert and Ex-Muslim Salafi Aboo Imraan Interview -- ua-cam.com/video/v9zsclrMA_k/v-deo.html
@@nymgrace1227 yeah i converted back in 2014, left Islam little over a year ago
Three cheers to professor Shady Nasser. *You are truly an academic* and that is how a true academic presents to his/her own students, grounding them on *methodology* [or 'scientific' approach] not creating blind believers. Your personal beliefs are *irrelevant* but methodology. And these rules applies to all religions, faiths and beliefs. Enjoyed every second of it, brings back memories of my wonderful teachers of my college.
Edit: If anyone doing undergrad studies in humanities this is the way to approach your subject matter. Explain your terminology, set back and move out of your box, ask questions and counter questions, look for or bring primary sources to prove your claims. This a wonderful teacher / student conversation in academic level. Do not follow what your ancestors told you or your clan follows. Yes, apologists having PhDs do so, but not true academics as they guide you for your own conclusions wit myriad of counter questions forcing you to find answers. And this is no exception to Christians, Bible, Hindus, Buddhists or anyone else. Loved it!!!
OMG, look at this:: Farid Vs Shady Nasser: ua-cam.com/video/SRvc6YARzRY/v-deo.html
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Where is the debate between Nasser and Farid,in your link?
Why are you lying??
@@kingkamaro9442 No one said it was a debate. Other comments indicate that it is a criticism of Dr. Shady Nasser that Farid rushed out before this video was published.
@@markhorton3994
Then ,why did Philips name it Farid vs Nasser,or what is the point to name it like that,if this wasn't a debate???
@@kingkamaro9442 Because it is Farid attacking Dr Nasser.
It includes the usual Muslim lack of context.
It also to Farid's credit contains researched and properly referenced criticism.
However Farid does accidently point out a serious weakness of the Arabic language. He shows three Arabic words with distinct meanings that differ only by two tiny marks. His claim is that Dr. Nasser got the wrong one. Those marks could easily be flyspecks or drops from a pre-ballpoint pen. The meaning of an entire passage could be changed by an inadvertent speck.
Languages based on the Greek, Latin or Cyrillic alphabet have weaknesses but not that one. An undotted i is still an i.
It's so cool seeing academics like him and Dr Joshua Bowen be questioned on certain things here.
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Agreed, though I feel bad for Nasser because so few can compare to the suavity of Bowen 😝
OMG, look at this:: Farid Vs Shady Nasser: ua-cam.com/video/SRvc6YARzRY/v-deo.html
Yes, this is excellent. Many non-Muslims and/or ex-Muslims will read academic works by such scholars, however, I found that basically no Muslim makes an effort to ever do so. Therefore, a video like this (if they can sit through it!) can be very informative for them, as well as others interested in such topics.
One of the best Muslim ~ at lease, not in killer mode.. and as a human
I love this academic interview AP. This is exactly how things go with my interviews in Judaism and Christianity. I hope a trend develops allowing more people to have critical discussions on this topic more often.
It was a great interview Derek
@Derek. What is your position on Jesus Christ? Was he historical or fictional? I want you to be consistent because I came across one of your videos with the title of 'how Romans invented Christianity'. I can't remember the title clearly but it is related to this title I have just written above. Also, what are your reasons for leaving Christianity?
OMG, look at this:: Farid Vs Shady Nasser: ua-cam.com/video/SRvc6YARzRY/v-deo.html
@@philipscorn9006 @Philips Corn and I've written underneath that video that if he so sure Shady Nasser is a charlatan then let's arrange a live debate with him & Shady and I'll contribute towards the cost. As expected Farid hasn't replied back so that just shows you who is the charlatan.
@@adamnasser2995 it someone has made an error then they have made an error and we have to accept that regardless of who they are. Having said that, I can assure you Farid won't have the backbone to debate Shady Nasser because all that will happen is Shady will own up to his mistakes, get that out of the way and then tear Farid to pieces.
Apostate Prophet brings a scholar on islam, the scholar looks to be a native Arabic speaker, the scholar graduated from Harvard, the scholar **teaches** and studies Islam at Harvard, the scholar probably knows Islam inside and out.
What will the muslims say? "This guy is not fit to talk about Islam, it needs to be a sheikh", of course. Just you guys wait...
At this point, I'm starting to think AP is just giving us more to work with; since muslims don't really listen to him, he brings the best scholars, critics and questioners of the Quran to his channel in order to a) introduce us to their content, if they have it, and b) load us with cutting edge knowlege from specialists about the Quran, Islam and Muhammad. And that's pretty swell of him.
It's like people are in a court room and the one being judged is Islam. Then someone brings a detective to show the evidence he has related to Islam and people start complaining "take this guy outta here, it's only fair if we listen to his lawyer"
@@VitorEmanuelOliver If we *only* listen to his lawyer. And the prosecution has to work only with what his lawyer says, no matter how absurd.
Why do we need a harvard scholar to tell us the qoran is a book of fiction? When common sense suffice.
@@joek8948 Since when do muslims have common sense?
Thanks Dr. Shady Nasser and AP, for this very educated information and talk. Keep going!
This is how we learn. This is the kind of discourse the whole world needs. What a pleasure to watch and listen.
Sadly most Muslims will hate Prof. Nasser for speaking about the Quran this way. Today's Muslim apologists portray the Quran as a flawless product when it is clear from academia that it is not. At least Muslim scholars in the past were humble enough to admit that they did the best they could to compile the 'word of God'.
Well how can you believe him, he doesn't even have a beard
@@bathombre9739 ....so, for you the beard give you knowledge? ...
I do not believe in you for your poor comment.
@@luissalazar6960 i THINK HE WAS BEING IRONIC!
I hope so
Every religion is depending upon
belief, not reality.
If they question about reality religion will
crumble.
So don't try to dig for reality in religion.
Religion is not science.
RECIPE FOR ISLAM
Take a dollop of Judaism add
a fraction of Christianity
a large measure of paganism .
Put in blender ....out comes mush.
Serve liberally
Serve forcefully, if needed employ terror
@@Joe-xh9pw
Hi Joe,
If only we could administer an enema !!😂😂
@@peteunsworth3158 😲😂😂
Why would a deity who is supposed to be the creator of the whole universe create a religion that is so un-universal (is that even a word?), a religion that would be so hard for people to understand and follow, unless you live in the 7th century Arabia. Here is what I mean:
Why would the creator of the universe start a religion in a language that is spoken by less than 10% of the world’s population AND THEN make it a law that the book he dictated to an illiterate merchant turned warlord shall never ever be translated to any other language?
Why would the creator of the universe make everybody face Mecca when praying. Doesn’t he know that the earth is round, and we will one day become a space-faring nation?
Why would the creator of the universe make it an obligation for all Muslims to visit an obscure shire in the middle of the desert at least once in a lifetime? Couldn’t he foresee the logistical problems it will make? And the deaths that it will cause (Stampedes happen almost every other year. In 2015, 2144 people died due to a massive stampede)?
Wouldn’t Allah know how hard it would be for Asians for example to grow a beard? (Yes, a beard is recommended in the Hadith)?
Wouldn’t Allah know how impractical the Hijab would be in other climates?
Why doesn’t Allah appreciate the diverse cultures of humankind?
Why would Allah feel the need to apply a common denominator to all Muslims, and then choosing pre-Islamic customs as the common denominator?
Questions needed to be answered or shouldn’t even have to be questioned if Allah was really a real God .
Using a book to transmit information for a divine being is so hilariously inefficient and stupid it should automatically dismiss any religion that puts that forward.
@@BillRevis well that should apply only to Islam that claims their book is directly given from heaven to Mohamed / the direct word of Allah . The Bible has no such statement but divine inspiration. The Bible is this case is in a better state than Islam which claims that Quran is the literal word of Allah .
@@whoisnext9837 The Bible is said to be the Word of God revealed through both historical writing and through inspiration and example. No part of the book can be wrong because it has been compiled using divine guidance from God.
Just like the Qur'an, the Bible cannot be challenged and is regarded as flawless, unique and undeniable.
Look at Young Earth Creationists, Ultra-Orthodox Jews etc. They are every bit unbending as hardline Islamists.
@@dulcettones5536 The Islamic belief about revelations and the Christian one are completely different! The Bible can be said to be the word of God because of the following reasons. Through it God speaks to human beings through his son, Jesus Christ.(Heb 1:1-2) All scripture was inspired by God .(2 Timothy 3:16) The human authors/writes were under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Unlike the Quran which Muslims claim that it is sent directly from heavens to Mohamed and there is no evidence that Allah really sent a book ! The probability of the Quran being written by Mohamed exceeds the other hypothesis since there is no historical , archaeological or even witnesses that support Mohamed claim about Allah’s revelations!
@tom hamad Every word in your comment is wrong , deceptive and promote of propaganda! One thing can destroy your whole argument: Where in the Quran it says that other followers of religions will enter paradise ? It’s purely known in Islamic belief that only Muslims ( not guaranteed too ) will enter jannah. Do you want some troubling verses about Allah’s justice ?
I always knew the Quran was fraudulent from the first verse.
Surah Al-Fatihah(الفاتحة) 1:1 In the Name of Allah-the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful.
If Allah is talking why does he have to refer to himself as in the name of Allah🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
A clear error in the book
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The ko-ooran is corrupted because muhummud uttered the satanic verses
@@yousafzai8547 Go ahead prove me wrong Abdool. Your Allah has a shin by the way
"I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "Our Lord Allah will lay bare His Shin, and then all the Believers, men and women, will prostrate themselves before Him..." Sahih al-Bukhari 4919🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@yousafzai8547 Why is it stupid? Explain please! It's really bizarre that Allah praises himself.. It's very immodest, and we know that you Muslims you value modesty..
@@yousafzai8547 it's not stupid, at the very least it's refuting the salafist point of view
Uh-oh! This is going to be damaging.
Edit: I also did an analysis on the supposed ‘preservation’ of the Qur’aan on my channel. It includes all the relevant information that one needs to know about concerning this topic. The conclusion? A devastating one.
Yup …
IT’s gonna leave MARK for sure
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Islams HOLES are EXPOSED...
Already is
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@@philipscorn9006
Where is the debate between Nasser and Farid?
Why are you lying?
As another modern Islamic scholar (Dr Y Qadhi) said ""THE MOMENT WE DO A DEEP DIVE THINGS GET VERY AWKWARD"" with reference to the SIN (Standard Islamic Narrative)
He couldn't be more right.
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*the standard narative has holes in it*
@@euttdsiggh2783
SIN has big holes and they getting wider and deeper.
Arabs created Quran from compilations of Pre-Islamic Arabic literature derived from Biblical stories, ideas & popular folklore of 7th century middle-east.
Arab empire invented Islam as a tool for imperialism.
@@roshlew6994
I couldn't agree more as Islam like other Abrahamic religions was created by emperors, kings, leaders and warlords to be used as a ""political tool"" to unite and control the masses and to ensure that the leadership have absolute control of political and economic power.
I wish he could talk more about how the theories and ideas about the Quran evolved over time. Also about the dark period between when the Quran supposedly was compiled and later scholars trying to understand. For example he uses LOL, you wouldn’t expect people in 1950 to under it but you would expect some inference of it in 2050. Not a lot of people talk about why it seemed like muslim scholars were rediscovering Islam 200 years later, not building upon prior knowledge. I don’t think warfare is a sufficient answer.
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I would think, based on what I gather, because not many people knew how to write Arabic, grammatical Arabic wasn't standardized either. It reminds me of a UA-cam clip I saw where it was mentioned that it was common for households to have 3 shakers, one for salt, one for pepper, and the third one was a mystery. Because no one decided to write it down, now people aren't sure what was in that third shaker, so info can get lost pretty easily.
It was not written by Mohamed.. he just translated it from Syriac books who were Christian Arab books which were at the possession of waraqa bnu nawfal his teacher then Mohamed got an idea of declaring himself officially a prophet when he was very sure of himself thus after going to Medina there he invented that aggressive part of Qur'an contrary to the first verses he recited in Mecca
Finally!!! Good work AP as always
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@@philipscorn9006 look at the panic in your behaviour, spamming the same link and text in every comment. This is very telling...
Absolutely brilliant interview Ridvan. Dr Nasser is actually more forthcoming on specific positions than I've seen in other interviews. Liked the short answer long answer approach. As dawahganda types love to mislead and misuse context.
A Harvard liar. The channel Farid Responds already has a response to this guys lies about the Quran. Horrible example of “Harvard scholarship “. His lies and mistakes are easily refuted simply by following his citations and how mentions thing that simply are not there in the sources he quoted etc etc. He is basically using Harvard as a brand to fool people into thinking he did some real research when in fact he is simply making things up. Furthermore, shame on the Harvard PhD committee for not being thorough in its investigation. Clearly they have an agenda.
@@RT-or9wd you moron...Daniel Haqique the guy who gave Apiss anxiety attack.... remember him ...yes Harvard graduate..🥸
@@snf321gotti6 Huh? Pikachu literally admitted that s 3 x slav3ry and pedophililia is halal. What are you talking about?😂 Tell me you're crying Jihadi tears without telling me you're crying Jihadi tears🤣
@@proudexmuslim3719 I believe the Moron associate of yours was asking for an example of one Muslim apologist who graduated from Harvard . Thanks for being dumb.
@@snf321gotti6 I didn't ask for nothing you lil goosey. Seems like the too informed Islamists did not see the video of Pikachu openly admitting that pedophililia and s 3 x slav3ry is "beautiful". Or maybe you're just a butthurt Abdool🤣💀 #crymejihaditears
One of the best people you've had on, i appreciate this video thanks AP
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@@philipscorn9006 i just wanted to do the same akhi🤣
@@ne3583 Hahaha, lol. Even with that his followers are still ignorant, although some are willing to see it.
@@philipscorn9006 look at the panic in your behaviour, spamming the same link and text in every comment. This is very telling...
If you really want to see an Islamic community which is friendly and peaceful, come, visit my country Indonesia 😂 not quite "Islamic" by middle east standard, but still it is a country with Muslim majority, a handful of them have transnational, radical view of Islam, sometimes terrible terrorists managed to attack, but in overall we are a peaceful society ❤
People are leaving Islam.
@tom hamad You must be fond of pedophilia as Muhammad, the "best example" of Islam, is the pedophile priest of Islam and the Quran sanctions pedophilia as "marriage" in 33:49 and 65:4. So shameful and disgusting.
@tom hamad you wanted to have relationships with Aisha aged girls and not think of it as perverted and sinful?
@Tom hamad 🤣 you are the type of Judas (not called,not chosen but a seller) or a type of a prodigal son. Hadn’t been saved 😢
In Islam paradise there are 72 Aishas waiting
@tom hamad Islam actually condones and sanctions pedophilia as "marriage" of girls as young as babies. You're either ignorant or just dumb.
Do you mind if we use clips of this?
Please do it.
@@ApostateProphet Thanks!
@@janddbackup Keep it up, Jai.
Keep it up brother 💪
@JAI Apologetics can't wait to see this when you critic. Just like the interview with Dr Bart Ehrman and Mimi!
Composition and bla bla of the time only in Arabia where language hadn't developed. But greeks and Egyptians wrote well composed books 1000s years before
Maybe all of it was waswasa devil whispers to mohd
Yea, but we're not claiming rofl and lol is bayenat or for all times or word of god
Also no one is saying saying they came with it from their ass. They say that it evolved from Christian and Judeac sects. Like quran isn't Arabic, it's Aramaic meaning book of prayer. Like these letters mean something in syriac prayers of Christian or judeochrosotan sects of the time
The guy is a pathetic apologist. The way he believes and justifies contradictions is pathetic. Not all Muslims. 95% of Muslims etc etc etc
Matter of fact is we have a huge swath who believe it is unadulterated inspired etc etc it all boils down they think it came down and there are errors
The reason it is pathetic is because when you cover up fascist movements and ideologies, you'll inevitable be the victim of them. You know they kill people who think, who discuss these like himself. Thats the danger
Can't wait for this pseudo intellectual called detective O'Neil to " debunk" the expert here and Muslims to tell us about unbiased experts lol
Hey DH’s new look is that of a homosexual sous chef ( see him in his discussion with David Wood ) this week
Which O neil?
You the guy that Christian Prince shredded a couple of days ago?
That dude is such a clown lmao, after Ridwan last interview with that near eastern scholar he made a video talking about how AP “edited” it to “deceive” viewers. Such a cope
In his book Twenty Three Years, Iranian scholar Ali Dashti admits the truth about the Qur’an:
The Qur’an contains sentences which are incomplete and not fully intelligible without the aid of commentaries; foreign words, unfamiliar Arabic words, and words used with other than the normal meaning;
Adjectives and verbs inflected without observance of the concords of gender and number; illogically and ungrammatically applied pronouns which sometimes have no referent; and predicates which in rhymed passages are often remote from the subjects. These and other such aberrations in the language have given scope to critics who deny the Qor’an’s eloquence
Was the Prophet of Islam an Atheist?
Yes the heading will certainly raise some eyebrows but bear with me and please be open minded as I present to you an unconventional but certainly probable exposition on Muhammed, the final Prophet.
According to Muslims, Muhammed was a 7th century Arab who received revelations from God through an angel intermediary over a period of 23 years, thus forming the basis of the Quran - a scripture containing all the revelations. But this is where we run into problems. When you open the Quran and read these supposed revelations (from an ALL knowing powerful God) you discover the following irregularities and discrepancies.
1.Verses originating from myths and legends (Syriac Legend of Alexander and The 7 Sleepers of Ephesus )
2. Verses originating from rejected apocryphal biblical and gnostic sources (The Infancy Gospel of Thomas)
3. Verses lifted straight from the bible (Universe created in 6 days, Camel through the Eye of a needle)
4. Verses that seem to serve the personal whims and fancies of Muhammed (who he can marry, which wife he can spend more time with etc).
5. Verses that keeps repeating immoral intercouse with married female captives.(4:24, 23:1, 70:29, 33:50 etc)
6. Verses that undermines the status of women. (beat them, testimony is worth less than than that of a man, 4 months seclusion)
7. Verses that are confusing and strange (3.7 basically says the entire Qur'an is unclear and if try to understand it you have a disease. 3:81)
8. Verses that places a bizarre emphasis on sexual pleasure for men (and Jinn) in the afterlife (55:56).
9. Verses that provide zero context or explanation (Who is Abu Lahab?)
10. Verses that repeatedly confirm the inspiration, preservation, authority and authenticity of the 7th century bible even though Muslims insist it's been corrupted from the 1st century (3.3, 5:47, 7:157 etc)
11. Verses that are completely wrong on how it depicts science, biology and cosmology. (All alleged scientific "miracles" can be easily refuted using Quran itself)
12. Verses that challenge the reader to its Divinity even though the same challenge can be applied to any book in history.
13. Verses mostly end with a threat of punishment or humiliation for the individual who doesn't submit.
14. Verses that practically copy and paste it's laws from the Jewish Talmud and other scriptures.
15. Verses that has nothing new to say so just repeats the same thing over and over again.
16. Verses that quote biblical characters as if they're 7th century Arabs.
17. Verses that are contradictory (no compulsion in religion vs fight those that those who don't believe)
18. Verses that start and end abruptly, arranged haphazardly and gives no context.
19. Verses that have zero benefit for mankind and if removed affects nothing.
20. Verses that are different to other versions of Qur'an so not perfectly preserved (Hafs vs Warsh)
.....and many more.
Looking at these issues objectively - one thing becomes absolutely clear - the Quran could NOT have come from an All Knowing and Perfect Divine Source but rather a human/s making standard fallable errors, taking many years to perfect it, but still falling short.
>>>So what type of human scribe is this?
If this author believed in some kind of Deity or Higher Power that judged him according to his actions, he would NOT be as brazen, confident, arrogant, shameless, narcissistic, fearless and determined enough to fabricate this entire verse revelation fallacy. He'll be far too afraid of the repercussions, yes?
Therefore the ONLY conclusion that one can draw is that the author/s of the Quran MUST have been an atheist or at the very least agnostic with zero accountability or culpability for his elaborate campaign.( Notice how the Quran keeps saying - "there is no blame on you" for immoral verses such as 23:1-6, 33:50 and 70:29-30.
>>>Now why is the Qur'an essentially a book that implores people to believe in a God that he personally did not believe in?
Muhammed noticed one thing that with the Jews, Christians and Pagans and all other groups, that motivated his campaign. The ONLY thing guaranteed to get a large amount of people to follow a single cause is through belief in some type of supernatural Deity that can't be seen or heard. It's the belief/faith that He/It is there that matters. And then proceed to make up countless promises of eternal bliss if you submit to this Deity or a torturous eternal punishment if you don't. How do you think the Christian missionaries managed to spread a complex 3in1 belief that no one understands so rapidly?
>>>What was his end game - if not to begin a new religion?
Belief in "Allah" is just the deception. The ultimate goal was subjugation and control to get people to submit to your will on the pretext of being a Prophet where you have access to vast amounts of wealth (jizya) and assets (war booty) and copious amounts of sex slaves but do it on the pretext of a Divine instruction. This is what "Allah wants" but ultimately it's me who gets it. (His own child bride Ayesha even declared - your "Lord" rushes to fulfill your desires). Wow.
Over the next next few hundred years Muhammads status was honed, shaped manipulated and fabricated into the "best of creations" where he has now achieved an almost God like status, occupying a position closer to your average Muslim than his/her own mother.
I'd say he was something of a 7th century religious cult leader many of whom typically still practise their "craft" today.
The abdools are are not going to like this interview. They have been told their whole life the Quran has not been modified
Oh yes, that professor is such a thorn in our side! A professor who thinks that 95% of us Muslims do not believe that the Koran is the DIRECT word of God.
We are laughing at you. Only you don't realize that :)
@@khattab3910 your holy book is full of grammar errors...
@ holy? More like holey.
@@khattab3910 Quran is plagiarism from fake sources
@@khattab3910 You don't even understand what the guy says : 3:58 "You want to believe it's the word of God, it's the word of God; you don't want to believe in that, it's not" Do you understand now ? I will not type all the discussion for you..
Thank you Dr.Nasser. Great video AP! I still agree with you, Stay Away from islam!
Allah isn't mighty enough to stop people fr leaving him and his religion.
@tom hamad
It just means more muslims migrated to us.
Migration isn't a growth.Its a change of demographic
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@tom hamad
Who care!
Your boss definitely was a cri m inal.
@tom hamad
You can find and download authentic quran and tafsirs from islamic websites of saudi and jordan kingdoms.
Read your books before you talk about your religion.
@tom hamad Islam is about to take a massive hit. Do you have any idea how much of the “Muslim” youth are secretly apostates? If I didn’t dislike Islam I might have felt bad for you.
Me: quran is false.
Islam: no
Me: Why?
Islam: because the quran says so
Everyone: 🤨
If you say quran false, can you show me the original?????
@@panduwilantara3070 no one has the original version because it never existed.
@@abubaytnighan6480 Try to study the San'a and Birmingham manuscripts of Muhammad's contemporaries and also the Ottoman manuscripts in Turkey. Very different from the Bible which does not have a contemporary manuscript of Jesus.
@@panduwilantara3070 bruh the Quranic manuscripts prove the book was corrupted. Do you just say the opposite and walk away without research? + you don’t need to go far to see different versions of the Quran. You can look up multiple versions online now. Muslims just ignore them and say it’s qiraat
@@abubaytnighan6480 That's the assumption of those of you who don't understand Arabic grammar, our scholars say the same but different dialects
So basically there are holes in the narrative:)
Great to hear somebody discuss this topic with no agenda just a pursuit of the truth. Okay .
Highly recommend watching father Zakaria petros, Dr David Wood, Hamid Abdel Samad.
Allah said he gave Muhammad a book.
Muhammad never received a book.
So, is Dr Nasser a believing Muslim? If all Muslims were like this, I would like them so much more lol. Secular academia has been doing deep analysis & textual criticism of the Bible, as a historical text, for hundreds of years. It’s sad that the same critical lense is so discouraged when it comes to the Quran.
We don't care about who likes us. We only seek the pleasure of Allaah.
@@khalid2733 How arrogant are you? What can you do that God will find pleasure? God is complete. He has everything he wants or ever wants. You are nothing to God. Nothing you do matters to God. Let me repeat. You are not that important.
@@khalid2733 How many houris do you think Allah has to play with?
@@khalid2733kinda ghei
He is lebanese 😍❤️🇱🇧✝️
Proof?
@@mohdsadiq1928 bro that's an UA-cam link😂 to an dummy😂
@@mohdsadiq1928 question is Muhammad really a pedophile?
@@mohdsadiq1928 Dumb is hazrat mohammed and Allahahahahahaha
Thank you very much for this channel and also professor Shady Nasser. Kudos to both of you👍👍👍
Dr. Shady Nasser: *"There is NO WAY to say, that the Qxrxn, as you have it today, it's exactly how the Prophet was receiting it!"*
1. Dialect
2. Old Arabic are NOT the same as Modern Arabic
3. Qur'an was written years after Muhammad died
4. Original Qur'an was burned
5. Depend on reciting which could potentially change
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1 Peter 2:24 KJV
@@scareddoglikelslamprayer615 🤢 your fiction is just as gross as there's
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@@HOPE-i6e
Know that age of birmengam quran is near 1400 years and it is similar to own quran
Ooh, I like this guy.
Yes.
Academics, historians, and scientists have no business with god. We work with evidence not faith.
Faith belongs to the theologians.
But faith must be based on something tangible or else it's just blind faith.
Jesus for example performed many miracles in public before asking strangers to trust him.
The apostles saw Jesus resurrected and their willingness to die or be tortured to death over that claim is what allowed Christianity to expand, otherwise it would have died with Jesus ( if faking the resurrection of a publicly executed leader was so easy, we would have countless successful examples yet we only have one if you want to consider Jesus case a fake).
The guy is a joke
@@el_killorcure 😂🤣😅🤣😂
@@ggvgj2079 in what way?
You do know that most of academics, historians and scientists who started most universities around the world were people of faith right?
Dr Nasser is a heavy weight scholar, my thanks to him for taking the time! 🙏 Amazing that you got him on your channel AP! 👏
I am listening to the conversation now with great enthusiasm.
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There are lots heavy weight scholars in arabic world.
But you have to have mind to question them properly
@@necmettinmutlu306 AP's questions were well thought out. And Dr Nasser was brilliant
@@Stardust475 mr nasser is not a historian
The questions must be about arabic language
@@mohdsadiq1928 look at the panic in your behaviour, spamming the same link and text in every comment. This is very telling...
Anti Muslim here, but at 52:40 you are trying to put words into his mouth. This is a linguistics issue. He says that grammatical error can only be considered error by the standardized rules of arabic grammar which only came into being 200 year AFTER the quran. In short there are no errors in quran AS FAR AS GRAMMER IS CONCERNED. Its called dialectal variations of a unstandardized language. Thats exactly why arabic was later standardized in the first place to eliminate these dialectal variations
Islam sure knows how to piss me off
What about other religion dumbass?
always waited for such scholarly discussion.Thanks AP
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Will you bring us the real Quentin Tarantino next time?
Sonnet is unique ,patriarch sonnet is more unique ,Shakespeare sonnet is also .So ,this kind of uniqueness does not mean any thing . The Hebrew bible also ryhme based especialy the the revelation of Jhon and many parts of the bible in Hebrew are poetic .Dr.Naseer is really honest ,he says what he knews .
@@mohdsadiq1928 Destroyed by how ? Because Farid said so ? Well, Muhammad became a "prophet " because Khadijah said so too !
@@mohdsadiq1928 look at the panic in your behaviour, spamming the same link and text in every comment. This is very telling...
As I was sipping my coffee was pondering how come AP hasn’t put anything damaging to Islam and behold allah delivered again using the Apostate Prophet :)
We don't understand this sentenc. Probably you should have drunk more coffee first 😎
Allah does not exist!
Allah is " the God" in Arabic. so the God delivered again. Which God? The God with no name.
@@WalterKluwers so it is not Allah
He was being sarcastic.
You must translate yours vidéos in French for another public please
Si t’as des questions sur la videos hesite pas à me demander je peut traduire pour toi
@@Liam-wp7fu ce n'est pas pour moi mais j'ai des amis qui ne comprennent pas et qui me disent qu'il y a quelque temps c'était traduit, maintenant ce n'est plus le cas.
Franchement,l’islam dévoilé. Il y a tellement des moutons francophones suivant l’islam aveuglement. Man made ideology
You can offer to do french captions for him. Try emailing him.
@@Ahmed-ef6ss Will do
Can’t tell you just how much I enjoyed this highly informative discussion!
Dude this guy is amazing!!!!!! He was pretty calm, straightforward and professional.
He canonized the five qurans. Muslims dislike him because he is truthful.
According to the Sunni Muslims, the Qur'an is uncreated, which means that it has always existed. Since the physical, the "earthly" Qur'an was composed after the death of Muhammad, how do we know that the order of the surahs in the earthly Qur'an is the same than in the Heavenly Qur'an ?
There have never been any incident in which any of the Companions reciting in any order that violated the order of the verses showed to us by the Prophet (saws).
the Quran is arranged as it is now would be that this is how Allah wanted it to be. Before his death, the Angel Gabriel visited the Prophet to go over the Quran and tell him to place which parts where and in what order.
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Why didn't jibril boy told M0 how to protect verses from being eaten by a goat?
Wasn't allan mighty enough to protect his words aka verses?
@@RG-107 "the Angel Gabriel visited the Prophet to go over the Quran" There must be a solid source, a hadith, about that otherwise it's like quoting a novel of Karen Armstrong. Here's a hadith that contradicts your claim: Narrated Zaid bin Thabit: " _Abu Bakr said (to me), `Umar has come to my and said, 'A great number of Qaris of the Holy Qur'an were killed on the day of the battle of Al-Yamama, and I am afraid that the casualties among the Qaris of the Qur'an may increase on other battle-fields whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I consider it advisable that you (Abu Bakr) should have the Qur'an collected.' I said, 'How dare I do something which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do?'_ "
Sahih al-Bukhari 7191
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"The Islamic standard narrative has holes in it". Yashir kadri 🙈🙈🙈🙈
he was very unbiased. even too soft for my taste but whatever. really liked what he said and the conversation
Here is a video where Farid Responds exposes this so called "scholar" ua-cam.com/video/SRvc6YARzRY/v-deo.html
I found particularly interesting Dr Nasser's answers on how literary asthetics have differed over time and the speech of god nuances (I assume he talks with Khalil Andani at Harvard who talks about the latter issue on Twitter). Shady has done very interesting work on the canonization process. His first book focused on how certain readings became shadhdh (non-canonical) and the second published last year explores what we can learn from Ibn Mujahid's book of the seven readings. Of course, certain bozo apologists try to paint him as some kind of polemicist in disguise, but I hope it's clear from his manner in this interview that his work is concerned with questions of academic interest. Other academics certainly admire and appreciate his work.
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I'd already heard it and have seen these attack points all before. Here are a couple of responses on reddit to Farid's video: 1 of 2: "The general consensus on Aasim: trustworthy but bad retention. Weak on unique transmissions.
There's a compilation of opinions on him here, and even on the page that Farid displayed [2:09] they're calling him 'unretentive' 'dismissed'."
2 of 2: "On the al Tabari one Nasser admitted the mistake and corrected himself in his second book p. 107. Tabari did criticise the maaliki reading, but it was maalaka that he said was against consensus so that's the only bit on the screenshot page that Nasser got wrong. Sure, it's a mistake (van Putten guessed Nasser may have used the edition with the typo there), but the overall point stands whereby Nasser gives numerous examples of Tabari criticising variants that became canonical. Nasser did make some mistakes about Ibn Attiyah, and the biography entries for Qunbul (Farid himself found that there's at least one edition of the source with the same mistake, albeit not the edition Shady cited) and Ibn Dhakwan. He wrote two massive books, so while he should have done better, it's going to have some mistakes. Neither Farid nor his friends have been able to address the reports on other readers and transmitters, so it barely affects the point Nasser is making. Nasser was essentially correct that Asim was often weakened, as van Putten confirmed when this came up before, but Nasser explicitly says that he is only listing negative reports and explains why afterwards. It's part of his theory on why tawatur became so important, that this aspect of hadith methodology wasn't wholey viable for the readers and transmitters. Nasser even explicitly states right after the list that he has been selective and most reports for each reader say they were trustworthy, which you'd never guess from Farid's hatchet job. But Farid loves to straw man people. And as for the ahruf hadith stuff - another straw man as Dr Hishami pointed out after confirming with Nasser himself. Nasser carefully explains in the book that he is not seeking to establish its authenticity or otherwise, but rather he is interested in when it was starting to circulate widely. Van Putten also backed him against Farid on this (except for on the Ubayy version). Incidentally, Van Putten has also called out Farid in the past for a dishonest misreading Ibn al Jazari."
@@adamnasser2995 You definitely didn't watch the whole video.
@@adamnasser2995 You're citing Javad Hasmi? The Muslim who believed the verses are storytales?
Harvard Professor...what would he know? Next time get someone with some proper qualifications to speak on this subject. Someone like Muhammed Hijab for example.
Indeed. I love listening to that H.i.j.a.b. l.u.n.a.t.i.c. and his h.a.l.f.-a.-m.o.r.o.n. friend, A.l.i. D.a.w.a.h. . Christian Prince ripped those two apart while everyone laughed at them.
Hijab can't run away from the holey Quran fast enough lol.
Lol
Mimi couldn’t Prophet Erhman to buy his arguments
MH? We’re after truth.
Not a childish rant.
RD
Nice conversation. We know more about islam and its book.
Thankyou bro AP🙏❤
Let's hope the best for Dr. Shady Nasser. I'm a bit concern with his safety after this video
Do you mean in regards with salafists?
May Allah protects him.
He has many many talks along these lines at conferences that have been posted, and has talked with other people on these topics. He does not seem very concerned. I love listening to him, a true academic!
Wake up habub
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@@mohdsadiq1928 look at the panic in your behaviour, spamming the same link and text in every comment. This is very telling...
Muslims : liar liar he doesn't know Arabic.
Ap Audience: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There's a video by some random guy criticizing the professor. Funnily the viewers believe him more than a Harvard scholar who has spent years studying the Quran. Shows how stupid some people can be
@@farouqomaro598 That's really stupid.
@@farouqomaro598 Watch Sherif Gaber video on the origins of the Quran.
Very eye opening.
@@R-rr1 thanks
@@farouqomaro598 put subtitles If you don't speak Arabic
As a Muslim I appreciate Professor Shady for what he does and his writings. There is no point in hiding historical issues/controversies when the goal is to seek the truth. You can really tell the sincerity in Shady when he talks about the topics he does.
This is more informative
:- ua-cam.com/video/SRvc6YARzRY/v-deo.html
I'm so glad that there are many Muslims who are willing to accept critics of Islam and listen to people why Islam is false
AP You have come a long way since I started to follow your videos 2years ago
2. Can It Be Confirmed that Today’s Quran was Recited by Muhammad?
Answer: No.
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Today's Quarn is same as 1450years back so offcourse Recited by Hazrat Muhammad صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم
ok, just listened to the opening, the "Upcoming", this guy is smart.
@@mohdsadiq1928 you destroyed yourself please note your allah didn't know about internet
Haha dnt know any interest muhammud... Create first earth not heaven
First like and comment
Thank you Dr. Shady Nasser your services are very much appreciated.
We should change the definition of abrogated in this subject. Change it to: they found the obvious contradictions which prove it is not from Allah so they removed them because there are no contradictions in the quran. 😂
Golden interview!! Thanks AP
Very honest from the heart calm and plain speaking and sharing by prof Nasser very rare to see from a Muslim perspective . Very much appreciate him for sharing his time and intellect
Thank you, stellar content.
Prof. Nasser is a gift that keeps on giving.
This guy is behind many ex muslims like me
The Quran jumps around a lot because nobody back then (8th century A.D.) was writing a coherent story. Poppycock! What about the Greeks and Sumerians? What about Moses and the Prophets? Blaming the ignorance of the people for the jumble, which is the Quran, is no defense.
"By Western Standards" That's nonsense. Moses wasn't a Westerner. He came from Egypt. Isaiah wasn't a Westerner but his prophecy is pretty well organized. The Sumerians weren't Westerners. The Epic of Gilgamesh is a coherent story. Holding up "the poor ignorant Arabs" as a defense for the mess, which is the Quran, is ridiculous.
Was Israel a Western country? John wrote the Gospel of John. That's a coherent story. John lived in the first century A.D. Arabs who slapped together the Quran 8 or 9 centuries later couldn't tell a coherent story? Puh-lease.
So many questions can only be answered by "we don't know", "it's very difficult to say", "we have no evidence."... It was the Dark Ages all right.
Islam has never been subjected to serious inquiries of academia until now. I wonder if it survive the rigors of serious inquiries.
This man is so awesome ! Wow
I love honest intellectuals. Tell the absolute truth. And let people think and reason for themselves.
Why does a god use metaphors? Even if he just wants to deliver a message by the messenger, why the god makes the art of literature? Does the god want to show his abilities to make literal art?
Which one is more important to deliver the message or to make art? And Doesn't God know the faith of the Quran? Doesn't he know after many centuries this book's words will not be understood truly? So why he made mistake to send his messages. How can we imagine a God who has no ability to deliver the message to his believers, even if he creates all the universe he has no ability to send his messages truly understand???
Watch this video, Farid Exposed Shady Hekmat Nasser ua-cam.com/video/SRvc6YARzRY/v-deo.html
Other people like Muhammad Hijab should take note this is how a debate is supposed to be. No screaming and shouting to make a point 👍🏽
This wasn't a debate but an interview.
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@@puraLusa you’re missing the big point 🤦♂️
@@saywhatithink5006 but I'm not wrong...
@@puraLusa oh you’re one of them people....
I am Pakistani ex- Muslim, I have been searching for truth about Quranic text and stories. And now , I got all answers for everyone , like what means الم = ا ل م ،
Or who wrote it , where and what it is talking about it .
Where Allah name came from ,
Or who was Mohammed and what was his real name .
Allah is a fabricated name of Arabic ideology called Islam, my understanding of , where Allah name came from and why it is also known as moon god in Egyptian history? We have to open pages of history of Asia and Europe about 3000 years ago, what was happening in India , Pakistan , Iran, Iraq , Israel , Egypt , Greece , Italy and many other known major countries back then. And need to understand who was super power and what was role of them in known planet earth then , according to know religions books and some deeper looking in history, we find some clues.
I found out emperor Rama from India was a very powerful Emperor, who was running a Continuation of a very big empir as a family kingship , for thousands and thousands years and most of kings from this empire are Hindus’ Bhagwan, like shiva , Kirisna, Manu, Buddha, Rama, Brahama etc, it might be more then 2 thousands years since Brahama ( Abraham/ Ibrahim / el / Gilgamesh seems one man story) time , Rama had 2 sons from Seeta , Lov and Kush ,
When Lov and Kush grew up , both became warlord as emperor Rama him self and added many far distance countries to their empire. We have historical fact , Israel was conquered by Rama’s son Lav , and known as Al - Lah in Arabic language or older language of that area and he made many shiva temples in all those countries were he went , one of that temple is Muslims Kabba with shiva idol, and shiva idol is broken many time but it has place in silver frame, and that black stone is called higra e Aswad , and going around 7 time of this black stone ( Hijjra e aswad ) , is short name of Hujj . You got it ? Higra to Hujj, it just a yearly festival of older time pagans ( Indian Hindus) , but with time some one change it to fabricated Islamic ideology. And Indian kings Purans became with added local stories and pronounced as Quran with Q .
Ballah,Baal,Allah
Dr. Shady Nasser: *"THERE ARE MANY GRAMMATICAL INCONSISTENCIES IN THE QXRXN! If they were written by a Person, by a Poet, they would go after him! They would say: Oh this is wrong!"...you don't justify it! But because it's the Qxrxn, you have to justify it! It can not be wrong!"*
In his book Twenty Three Years, Iranian scholar Ali Dashti admits the truth about the Qur’an:
The Qur’an contains sentences which are incomplete and not fully intelligible without the aid of commentaries; foreign words, unfamiliar Arabic words, and words used with other than the normal meaning;
Adjectives and verbs inflected without observance of the concords of gender and number; illogically and ungrammatically applied pronouns which sometimes have no referent; and predicates which in rhymed passages are often remote from the subjects. These and other such aberrations in the language have given scope to critics who deny the Qor’an’s eloquence
Dr Shady himself. How did you pull that out?? Respect.
@Apostate Prophet very nice listening to the conversation, I know you had questions, but it developed nicely. Thanks to both of you for the information.
Thank you for an interesting lesson.
To hear about Islam and not have thrown down your throat. Basically I understand the fundamentalist are confused and in fact inadequately tooled to see the turmoil in themselves and revert to blaming the outside world for their inadequacy in keeping the cage door of dogma alive.
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@@Hebelinahebel1 look at the panic in your behaviour, spamming the same link and text in every comment. This is very telling...
@@nemesis1291 "panic in your behaviour" lol. Im spamming the link to raise awareness. Just like you guys spamm "Jesus loves you".
If humans need to explain to us what the word of god means, it's not the word of god.
Then its not for humankind. Its for the goddess but might accidently drop to earth from 7 heaven🤭
Well how would one know what the so called word of God is? How would one tell the difference? Would probably be smarter to use a more convincing way of showing yourself than word
@@TheBarser 2 method.
First, one claim to received revelation from God and wrote it in a book.
Second, God Himself spoke and recorded by eye witness or at least 3rd generation.
Which method is valid ?
@@gardeniaa89 none of these two
@@TheBarser then im wasting time to answer you, your majesty
Imagine this planet without Quran!
You turned into a bot! Need some pork?
@@BLACK.ANGEL. Hey! We're on the same side
Without Quran I need to buy toilet paper rolls.
@@misterbig9025 I'm just joking 😉
@@BLACK.ANGEL. 😁
I am curious to know what exactly stopped you to say your good-bye note, Stay away from Islam this time?
I don't want academics to be associated with my polemical approach. They are kind enough to talk to me.
Absolutely impressive that you managed to get such a reputable scholar as Dr. Nassar on your program!! Listening attentively, taking notes and you're asking the same follow up questions that are going through my mind! Much respect to you and Dr. Nasser for agreeing to do this interview.
Looking forward to seeing you have more scholars on your program! Awesome interview! My respect level for AP has significantly increased!
He just got exposed recently ua-cam.com/video/SRvc6YARzRY/v-deo.html
@@israfilangel8062 that's no exposure, it's just a one sided opinion.
@@nemesis1291 that's not an opinion! it is called fact-checking you can do it yourself if you have access to the references, you will even be able to refute what shady brought and misquoted! We already heard shady's side and now it's time for his followers to hear the muslim side and be more skeptical of shady for being incompetent and ask him to respect his viewers intellect!
You don't need to hear a rebuttal since all the references are being provided to check there, just do some fact checking and you will arrive at the same conclusion that shady is incompetent and a charltn!
@@israfilangel8062 fanboys of Farida...
@@nemesis1291 LOL you are the definition of fanboyism since you didn't even care about what Shady's been spoon feeding you this whole time to end up in this embarrassing situation! Now you resorted to ad hominem instead of dealing with the content, so predictable!
Even Al Razi -one of the most brilliant polymaths of the Islamic Golden Age (He lived in Persia in the 10th Century A.D. approx) is said to have pointed out the manifold errors in the Koran whether factual or grammatical- that its literary stylistics are poor and that there were loads of other writings vastly superior to it in many languages.He also pointed out the phenomenon of Muslims becoming enraged and violent if any of their beliefs were challenged!
Doesn’t seem like much has changed 😅
I think he showed me that my understanding of the Koran and history is a lot more complicated than I thought it was, with varying beliefs within Islam not necessarily being right or wrong. Thank you. I think I will be slower to judge, and to think I know something. I wonder if I really know enough to get it right!
Thank you so much AP. S. Nasser is one of those who study Islamic studies who I actually believe would not lie to me unlike these "Islamic Scholars".
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Shady Nasser lies about Islam lol he is not a real scholar.
@@Hebelinahebel1 And who is your real scholar? Muhhamad Hijab? Ali Dawah? Qadhi? Naik?
LMAO.
@@Hebelinahebel1 HAHAHA
Video of Farid reacts. Give me a video of someone who is from HARVARD who refutes Nasser. Then I will watch... or maybe a video of Ethman refuting Nesser.
@@wandering_circles7487 You're not a honest person aren't you? Watch the Video see what Fariid had to say, then Email the "scholar" Shady Nasser and apostate prophet and ask them to refute him.
Here is my teachings on the Quran, "It is a book of lies, untruths and hatred."
Surah Fussilat 41 : 37 prohibiting muslim to worship sky objects (sun, moon, stars) is recited by Muhammad (because he's illiterate) 3-5 years (AD 613-615) after he proclaimed as a prophet of allah in AD 610. He copied the Jews' Tanak (Bible: the Old Testament) Exodus 20 : 4, Deuteronomy 4 : 19 & 17 : 3 that Yahweh, the God of Israel that's worshiped by Abraham, Ishaq & Yakub, forbids the Israelites to worship sky objects but Q 6 : 77 muslims used to worship the moon goddess 🌙 & Q 53 : 49 Sirius the brightest star used to be Allah.
William Tisdall says in his book "The Original Sources of the Qur'an - Its Origin In Pagan Legends and Mythology" during that time Muhammad followed some of Jewish's, Christian's & the Sabian belief and practices. At that time he was still befriended wth them. He had access to Jewish's, Christian's & the Sabians (ancient people of Mesopotamia (nowadays Iraq until southern Syria) scriptures. He admitted the rightful Inhibitans of Israel in the Palestinian's land (Quran 5: 20-26), Jews & Christian are good friends. They'll go to heaven., but quran 5:82 to hate the Jews but Christians are the kindest to muslim, fight & slaughter the Jews (Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Hadith 6981 & 6985), quran 5:14 to hate Christians, quran 9:29 to fight theJews & Christias, 5 : 51, 1 : 7 the Christians & Jews are the cursed ones. Muhammad ordered muslims to pray 5x/ day to curse them, the Pact of Omar in AD 717, allah turned the Jews into pigs & monkeys Q 2 : 65 & 5 : 60, 7 : 163, rats are made from the Jews Sahih Al Bukhari, book 54, Hadith 524, cut the neck & fingers of the disbelievers Q 8 : 12 & 47 : 3 - 4, to kill the non muslims Sahih Al Bukhari Vo. I, p. 13, Q 9 : 14, to wipe out non muslims Q 6 : 44 - 45 & many more. Why there are many contradictions ???
The turning point is in AD 624. Muhammad wanted to be accepted as their new prophet (the Jew were waiting for their Masiah & the Christian were waiting for the coming of Christ for the 2nd time). When they rejected him he turned against them. Muhammad quarrelled with the Jews in AD 624 in Medina. Muhammad chased, killed & expelled them out of the Arabian Peninsula.... W. Tidall, p. 39. In the same page says in the same year Muhammad performed his 1st 'Idu'l Adha. While the Jews slaughtered lambs Muhammad slaughtered 2 kids. One for his people & one for himself.
Book of Dr. Daniel Alan Brubaker "Corrections in Early Qur'an Manuscripts". Dr. Dan says, "There are thousands seemingly endless deletions & insertions in the early quranic manuscripts (7th century)". Quran is just a man made book.
Western & European historians are free from religious oppression, intimidation & collusion. Not like their fellow muslim historians in their muslim countries. Eventhough they don't live in muslim countries but they're still bound with their religion. By making a report which is contrary to the quran & islamic rules and agreements the muslim historian could still face death threat, eg. Salman Rushdie. Salman actually didn't make any report which is contrary with the quran. It's already there ! Q 22 : 52 (read the interpretation of the verse by Ibn Kathir, 1999 printing, vol 5, p. 441).
The turning point is in AD 624. It's explained near the end of this reply. You shouldn't rely on the quranic verses only but you've to know the time & history of Muhammad. You should know the reason(s) why this/ that verses were written & when. Read book of William St. Tisdall. I've got one. Google who's he & his achievements.
Western/ European historian can investigate any historical event free of religious oppression. The reports will be published & debated in the public. If the author is lying/ making up a story he/ she could be persecuted by the government for making false statements in attempt to gain personal's interest (eg. money by selling his/ her books or famous name but by deceiving people).
You can't do it the the democratic Western & European countries but you can do it muslim countries after collaborating with their imams.
Surah Fussilat 41 : 37 prohibiting muslim to worship sky objects (sun, moon, stars) is recited by Muhammad (because he's illiterate) 3-5 years (AD 613-615) after he proclaimed as a prophet of allah in AD 610. He copied the Jews' Tanak (Bible: the Old Testament) Exodus 20 : 4, Deuteronomy 4 : 19 & 17 : 3 that Yahweh, the God of Israel that's worshiped by Abraham, Ishaq & Yakub, forbids the Israelites to worship sky objects but Q 6 : 77 muslims used to worship the moon goddess 🌙 & Q 53 : 49 Sirius the brightest star used to be Allah.
William Tisdall says in his book "The Original Sources of the Qur'an - Its Origin In Pagan Legends and Mythology" during that time Muhammad followed some of Jewish's, Christian's & the Sabian belief and practices. At that time he was still befriended wth them. He had access to Jewish's, Christian's & the Sabians (ancient people of Mesopotamia (nowadays Iraq until Southern Syria) scriptures. Quran has many contradictions, eg. Muhammad admitted the rightful Inhibitans of Israel in the Palestinian's land (Quran 5: 20-26), Jews & Christian are good friends. They'll go to heaven but quran 5:82 to hate the Jews & the Christians are the kindest to muslim, fight & slaughter the Jews (Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Hadith 6981 & 6985), quran 5:14 to hate Christians, quran 9:29 to fight theJews & Christian, 5 : 51, 1 : 7 the Christians & Jews are the cursed ones. Muhammad ordered muslims to pray 5x/ day to curse them, the Pact of Omar in AD 717, allah turned the Jews into pigs & monkeys Q 2 : 65 & 5 : 60, 7 : 163, rats are made from the Jews Sahih Al Bukhari, book 54, Hadith 524, cut the neck & fingers of the disbelievers Q 8 : 12 & 47 : 3 - 4, to kill the non muslims Sahih Al Bukhari Vo. I, p. 13, Q 9 : 14, to wipe out non muslims Q 6 : 44 - 45 & many more.
The turning point is in AD 624 in Medina. Muhammad wanted to be accepted as their new prophet (the Jew were waiting for their Masiah & the Christian were waiting for the coming of Christ for the 2nd time). When they rejected him he turned against them with sword. Muhammad quarrelled with the Jews in AD 624 in Medina. Muhammad chased, killed & expelled them out of the Arabian Peninsula.... W. Tidall, p. 39. In the same page says in the same year Muhammad performed his 1st 'Idu'l Adha. While the Jews slaughtered lambs Muhammad slaughtered 2 kids. One for his people & one for himself.
What I learned from Western debaters on the art or debate is that they put their opinions and personal beliefs to the side and remain consistently academic the entire time. That’s what this professor is doing and it’s something most muslim debaters cannot seem to do.
True as a muslim i cannot imagine debates between muslim scholars and ex muslim atheist in mosques not even in the distant future .. priests and atheists debates in church opened a new world for me where everyone was so decent and polite .. in my journey the ex christian debates helped me more than the ex muslim movement which is all about shouting , abusing and ridiculing .
@@sadiqakhan277 do you believe islam is from God? Or are you unsure?
@@sumyunguy6894 i am very sure about my belief i dont need any argument or debate for that ..
@@sadiqakhan277 if you’re very sure why wouldn’t you want to discuss it? Wouldn’t you want to show the truth to others?
@@sumyunguy6894its a waste of time and energy when the opposing side refuses to debate rationally and logically .. and then comes the personal attack .. so its best to avoid such conversations .. common sense is something you cannot share .
Thank you for such honest video! Hope it helps the truthseekers.
Mimi Hijab with Dr Bart Erhman and Ap with Dr Shaddy Nasser; What a week..
2:25 YEAH, and this is an answer you can APPLY to the Bible as well😂 well done bro
I really like how you go for the heart if the matter.
📁 Islam 👹
|->📁 Truth 🤥
|->⚠ This folder is empty 😂
|->📁 💗 *BAN ISLAM* 🏃💨
Lol
@@nymgrace1227 True braddder and I dont need a *PhD* to RUN away from ISLAM! 🏃💨
Haha