UPDATE: This is how the railroad reported this accident to the Federal Railroad Administration - NS TRAIN 732G108 WAS STOPPED DUE TO PENALTY BRAKE APPLICATION FROM PTC, AFTER RECOVERING ENGINEER ON NS TRAIN 732G108 WAS UNABLE TO MOVE TRAIN. HE THEN ASKED FOR NS TRAIN 283G110 TOO INSPECT THE DP ENGINES. PRIOR TO GETTING TO THE ENGINES CREW STRUCK TWO DERAIL CARS IN NS TRAIN 732G108. THE LEAD ENGINE UNCOUPLED FROM NS TRAIN 283G110 CONTINUED NORTH AND STOPPED WHEN STRIKING THE LEAD ENGINE OF NS TRAIN 29AG108. Cause: E85C Bottom outlet car door open
Southbound NS 732 was passing a signal at Lindale, GA around 4:15 am when PTC put the train into emergency. This caused one or more coal hoppers in the middle of the train between the front end and the mid train DPUs to bunch up and derail. Northbound 283 ran into the derailed coal hopper throwing coal all over the locomotives and tearing the brake lines and chains off the lead unit. The lead unit then continued on unable to stop and ran into 29A head on at Rome, GA. The crew were able to radio the crew of 29A in time for them to exit their locomotive. The crew of 283 then jumped from their train moving between 25 and 30mph suffering broken bones and other injuries. The two damaged units were then backed into the siding while the site was cleaned up.
PTC and DPU’s that just about explains it all right there. Damn ! I hope them guys recover fully. Thats why they need more than one on a train . I hope you a$$holes in management are smart enough to figure that out. Your not only just risking crews now but whole communities. And I’ve noticed they are increasing train length and speed on slop freight. That shit will catch up with them also.
Jumping off a locomotive moving at 25 to 30 mph on to a heavily ballasted Right of Way is going to end up hurting you no matter which way you try to look at it. Actually I am a bit surprised that the crew were not able to kill the locomotive and it's mate???
Rome, GA resident here, thank you for this report...the aerial footage is helpful in understanding what is going on. I'm not a railfan, just interested in trains and how they move about my community, so your explanation is appreciated.
You'd be scared out of your mind if you knew what chemicals moved through your town. Look up PIH, TIH cars. Could have been much worse. Example: had locomotives run into the side of a loaded LPG car, there would be an immediate incineration zone of 3,000 feet! We won't even go into what chlorine or Anhydrous Ammonia would have done to your town. You probably don't want to know... 😮
@@rxrcond4life hey, I know chemicals move through here...we have several chemical-heavy industries here. I live 1.5 miles from the nearest rails, which is better than a lot of people. Just kind of a reality in any town that has rails going through it.
@@ventilate4267 Many years of training/teaching/1st responder stuff. Conductors must know every haz mat, position in train, placement restrictions, what chemicals can be placed where and have yards if haz mat instructions with in case of a derailment. Conductor is in charge as incident commander until relieved by one in authority such as fireman. Does not include police...
I live in Rome specifically a mile away from the the place the two locomotives collided. I recall around 4:15 - 4:30am i heard a loud boom, i didn't know until i got up for work saturday that this had happened.
Came back to this video after seeing a video surface from one of the crew members of the train that got struck head on. The video shows the single BNSF locomotive running red light in cab at a steady pace past the worker, and then slamming into their train. Thanks for the clear explanation, crazy to see with all the things we've done to modernize railroading, runaway trains are still a risk. read through the comments and glad to hear no one was onboard during the collision, hoping for a quick recovery for the crew that jumped.
Hope the crew is out with no injuries. Thank you for your great footage and this up to date report. I love trains. They haul so much freight and the crews work around the clock.
By golly you can see the brake rigging ripped out of the pistons in steal pictures. That's absolutely amazing. I'm not sure I would have thought that would happen without tearing big holes or scrapes on fuel tank
Excellent channel. No self aggrandizing, just plain old reporting. When I see a channel that has a minute or more of titles, I just turn it off. Keep up the good work.
We can’t wait to hear additional info about this since it involved two (2) different Class I’s. Communication and Timing is Critical on the Railroad. Thanks Charlie. 👍
@@yankeesforlife24 You have no way of knowing anyone was fatigued. And even if they were, it sure sounds like this was a failure of equipment and not that of a crew
I appreciate your report because living in conway, Ar i wouldnt hear anything about this until much later. Keep up the goodworkyou do reporting on these derailments and other rail happenings that occur👍
I just saw a video that the second crew took when the runaway locomotive collided with their train. The lone locomotive flew by without any lights and the you hear a BANG!!
they are all good, lead engine knuckle came apart after hitting the coal car that jumped track idk why, but it ripped all the brake rods off and chains the left side and with air lines cut off no air could supply the other side making them useless and no chains means no hand brakes either.....and if i remember correctly when it goes into emergency the dynamics cut out
I was wondering how it could “break free” without going into emergency and kept on going. That explains it! Man, that’s the worst bad luck an engineer could possibly have! Damn!
It probably depends on the railroad as far as the pneumatic brake application disabling the dynamic brakes. One class 1 that I know of has disabled that feature on most of its locomotives, the big road units for sure. You might know the guy as Uncle Pete. The dynamics work 100% of the time, unless there’s something wrong with them and the crew had to disable them manually.
On another railfan site the word was that both crews are a little banged up from bailing out. According to the word there, the coal train went into EMERGENCY for some reason and two hoppers near the rear derailed. The intermodal sideswiped those hoppers. I do NOT know why but apparently the lead locomotive of the intermodal became a runaway (no brakes) and collided head on with the NS unit at about 25 or so MPH. NONE of this is official and is subject being 150% wrong, it is only what I had picked up from another site. But according to that site there were NO DEATHS or life threatening injuries in either crew, broken or bruised ribs and arm / wrist injuries consistent with jumping from a locomotive.
the no brakes part is accurate, 6746’s brake cylinders were sheared off as seen in the beginning, which meant the emergency application did absolutely nothing.
Your pretty close. Storms were giving the signals issues and the signal in front of the coal train dropped on the crew. PTC put the train in emergency and that pushed two hoppers off the track. The intermodal train side swiped the coal hoppers shearing off the brake cylinder and brake rigging for the handbrake. This also caused a dynamic brake failure somehow and the rest is history.
Storms was giving the signals issues. So they no damn well the machine broke down ! And why. That's just how deceitful the big wheels are. FRA needs to step up and do their job !
@@rc391995 Its not uncommon to see heavy rains affect the signals. Just the other day PTC showed an intermediate signal dropping from a clear to a restricting and back at the block ahead of us. The railroads only want to make money and cut everything down to bare bones to increase profits. They have no interest in fixing the infrastructure until they absolutely have to. It's situations like in this video as to why we are not budging in negotiations and will likely end up in a strike.
I think you should strike. The very fact the signals are dropping out by no means make it acceptable. I saw this crap coming as they was putting the hardware in for this stuff. I've logged several hundred miles as a conductor and have switched an untold amount of cars although I was mainly and most of the time a yard duck. But been sent out to retrieve dog laws quite a bunch. Not that all that matters but im very accustomed to their practices and stood nose to nose with the top executives more than once. They want to intimidate with you with fear. I'd die first before I would allow them to see me sweat . just sayin .Ain't my first rodeo. Hope you get what yoh guys deserve more help and more money. I don't think you will be able to strike long. Here's one you likely won't understand if your in the union don't ever vote republican. Ronald Reagan screwed over the unions for a life time . Google it you don't have to believe me .
Thankfully everyone is ok. I live in Rome and had to go pretty far out of the way to get around this to the other side 😅. I just knew something bad had happened.
the lead bnsf motor got loose when the rear left pilot was bent upwards in the initial collision with the coal cars forcing the coupler cut lever up, essentially the locomotive pulled it's own pin, during the brake away, the mu hoses separated of course, the main reservoir hose valve open exhausted all the air that it would need to slow the engine with the independent brake. Also being in emergency the engineer couldn't recover the trainline, that valve also open plus the ripped off brake cylinders. publicly the question remains as to why the signal dropped on the coal train resulting in ptc forcing its emergency application. the dpu units must likely caused the detailed cars in the curve.
From personal experience. The signal may not have even dropped. Seen and had it happen plenty of times, PTC just freaks out because of a communication issue.
@@osrr6422 exactly, and with DPUs, they dont immediately stop pushing just because the head end went into emergency. Depending on how far the dpus were from the head end, they could have kept pushing for up to 10 seconds after the head end went into emergency. Non railroaders dont understand that the dpus are a few seconds behind the lead commands, and in the event of a brakepipe interruption, it could be a few seconds for all the brake valves to dump from head to rear, meaning the leaders can be on their side digging up rocks, and the dpu still pushing for a few more seconds. Basically ive said the same thing 3 times here , 3 different ways lol. So for everyone else... that could be the reason why cars derailed after a PTC braking enforcememnt.
I think we can take a sigh of relief that the anti-climbs on the locomotives did their job and kept the units from going into the cabs and crushing the crew
These two locomotives involved in the head-on collision were seen being moved on flatcars on the 1/20-1/21 video from Virtual Railfan past the Virginia Museum of Transportation cameras in Roanoke.
This was all caused by PTC - it threw the train into emergency! "NS 732 went into emergency when a signal dropped out on the crew, PTC doesn’t understand that so it throws the train into emergency, thus derailing 2 coal hoppers. NS 283 hit them and the lead engine broke free and was unable to stop and hit NS 29A head on around 4:15 this morning"
@@duluthdepot6355 Thanks, now the question is what kind of engineered solution would solve that kind of issue? Or is this kind of incident so rare that it is cheaper to accept the losses when it happens? Even if it is a school bus full of kids?
Its starts with PTC. Any time a train gets in emergency you don't know what's going to take place . and when you got several DPU's going it just compounds the problem . The train going into emergency sure isn't a pleasant experience . that's a last resort measure. Some engineers won't swipe the gauge for an automobile on the crossing till after they've hit the automobile. Some won't even do it then and I don't blame them. Its all in according to the make up of train speed weight and terrain. Lots if factors come into play dynamic forces lateral pressure. I've seen more times than I can count on my fingers and toes the results of emergency brake applications. It ain't pretty !!!
BNSF ES44C4 #6746 & NS D940CW #9867 were involved in a derailment and head-on collision in Rome, Georgia which I recreated at the g scale New River Gorge National Park and Preserve in Fayetteville, West Virginia not far from Ansted where my uncle Greg lives.
Those BNSF coal trains come off BNSF and onto NS in Memphis, Tennessee, before continuing on NS thru Chattanooga, Dalton, Georgia (which is a 15 minute drive from my house), and onto Atlanta and then Juliette.
I'm curious about the crew's decision to jump. Not questioning it at all, they know way more than I do! What would be the deciding factors if you knew you were going to have a head on impact like this and had time to choose about jumping or not? At what speed would you definitely jump? other than the impact deceleration, what hazards would you consider about staying on board? Thanks!
There was one on down at Taylorsville/covid, where the cars came off the tracks and near into homes I accidentally drove up on during covid and not one word was said about it.
when coming to and meeting a train, if they went or are in emergency, you "clean the guages" and then ask questions! yeah, sometimes trains don't stop short but sometimes wrecks are prevented.
Has a 30 year veteran locomotive engineer from the union pacific railroad I don’t understand how this locomotive broke free from the Locomotive consist and the PCSSwitch did not kill that locomotives motor as that is one of the major safety appliances to prevent a runaway locomotive unless someone turned the main train line air valve to close which would not allow the PCS switch to trip if that were the case this becomes sabotage and there’s a human element involved
So explain in your words just what happens when the brake cylinders are ripped out and no longer part of the engine ? What operates the brake shoes then ? I was mainly only a switch man maybe I don't have the superior knowledge of the everyday foamer !
Seen a video of the runaway engine collide with the stopped train. It was pretty crazy. Broken ribs and a busted up face other than that the crew was okay.
Hate to see this. As I commented on another video the bean counters continue to add technology and reduce work force. Is it a coincidence that we see more and more of these type of situations? I think not.
there was video of the collision on tiktok a few hours after it happened and i couldn't find it but it showed the single BNSF loco hauling ass then you hear the big bang after it leaves frame, i think BNSF cleaned the video off the platform bc i cant find it
Ok…i see where I fucked up…I thought the lead unit was of the coal train…not the intermodal….I see where the pistons got side swiped….when it said runaway I was thinking more of a crazy 8s incident with that locomotive 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I am surprised that the crew of the BNSF locomotive were not able to kill the engines. Loosing the brakes and dynamics is one half of the equation, but what about cutting out the power?
Once the intermodal train suffered a separation, the brakes would have applied in emergency and the PCS would open on the engines. That means no dynamic to slow the engine down that broke away, and no power to apply in reverse to slow it down either. With the brake cylinders ripped off, no air to apply the brakes on the runaway locomotive. Perfect storm.
Glad to hear the crew members made it out safely! Its a shame this and certainly know its always possible. Thoughts and prayers for those recovering from this from Delmar, Delaware.
Wow what a catastrophic failure. I’ll admit I’ve seen some things happen with those machines others wouldn’t believe. But it is mechanical and mechanical things fail. There is just so much safe guards built into it. You wouldn’t think all of them would fail at one time but who knows. First thing that went through my mind how does the lead locomotive break loose from its train and go 4 miles and collides with another train ? The fact that it tore apart from the rest of train should should have put the brakes on and shut the power down on the engine. Then it went through my head if it’s the lead locomotive why don’t the crew shut the thing down and stop it ? I thought they was either dead or they had come to realize things was beyond their control and they jumped. I’m glad to hear they did and hope they ain’t injured to badly but I bet they didn’t jump till the last minute. I tell you what thats not a fun thing I’ve jumped and ran like hell before . It’s not a good feeling. I mean there is so many bazar things that happened here. That distributive power thats not the best thing that ever happened to the RR either those things run by remote signal from lead locomotive and signals don’t always transmit correctly. And that could well be the cause of the derailment to start with. The old southern railway quit using them things 50 years ago because of radio signal loss and the engines in the middle started doing their own thing. Tunnels was a disaster. Lot of story going to come out of this fiasco. Runaway locomotive is something generally you see in the movie. Thats not an everyday occurrence but once again . It is mechanical and subject to failure. I hope the carriers don’t try to just lay it off on the crew. They wanting one man trains so bad right now they will say anything at this point to get what they want. If they can use this wreck to their advantage they will. But seems like from from whats going on here they might have a hard time with that one. Good luck guys if you read this. I hope you all fully recover. Some of us know exactly what you just been through !!!
Shutting down the engine doesn't stop engines, you'd know that if you were retired rail worker as you claimed in your other posts. Also the brakes were torn off as you ranted about in another post so non existent brakes won't work. More proof you are a troll.
Yes, which is it, you obviously paid shill? As you yourself said you can't brake when there are no brakes... "You should know when an engine side swipes a derailed coal train and it tears all the brake system from a locomotive the cylinders the listens the fulcrum the rods and entirely the whole brake rigging and that stuff is no longer part of the braking system there is nothing left to stop it. You need to rear here what's going on and what happened. Its either you've not read or you are an official trying to cover for the damn RR and still trying your level best to promote this one man crew foolishness. If that's what your doing your a paid shill that or you don't have a clue what your talking about . which is it ?"
Once again you lack comprehension skills . Where did I say shutting down the engines would stop them ? That's one of the most absurd thoughts that's been entertained here.
The old Southern did not quit using DPUs. There was no such thing 50 years ago. This is brand new technology. The lead unit did break away, but the brakes were badly damaged. Hard to apply brakes if they won't work. And if you are a railroader, you would know that even if the crew shuts down their power the units can coast for miles and miles on level track
NS dodged a HUGE bullet. the westbound Amtrak had just cleared the coal train minutes before the coal train wrecked in Dismal Swamp (in Virginia) and damn lucky no other westbound train!
well no one was injured from the collision itself. the crew of one of the trains jumped out of it going 25-30mph and were injured but there were just some non serious injuries and no one required a hospital stay or surgery.
What were the Engineer and Conductor doing while the engine was on it's own heading for the head on? What about the alerter you have to push frequently or the Engine stops by itself?
Until the class I RR stop running 5-mile-long trains, this is a potential in a residential area. PSR has not been good for the costumers or the employees. This is proof that 1-to-1.5-mile train is sufficient and car slack to a minimum. I hope the employees get what they are asking for in the contract talks.
Sure hope no one was injured. Wildest thing that happened on the Powered River was a stolen loco out of North Antelope Mine. D rails had to be put down to keep the guy off the main line. Scariest thing I ever witnessed watching that loco go back and forth on the monitors at Bill Wyoming, trying so hard to get on the main.
You stated that railroads report incidents such as in this vid to the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA). So, when and if does the NTSB get involved? Or does the NTSB defer to the FRA? Or do both agencies work in tandem with one another?
I remember as a boy going to Cumberland Md trainyard with my dad and grandfather of whom worked there to see the headon that had taken the life of a female engineer. They said it took a flatnose to pretty much get her out of the engine. Not sure of that was a figure of speech or what. Chessie had a bad day that day, needless to say
UPDATE: This is how the railroad reported this accident to the Federal Railroad Administration - NS TRAIN 732G108 WAS STOPPED DUE TO PENALTY BRAKE APPLICATION FROM PTC, AFTER RECOVERING ENGINEER ON NS TRAIN 732G108 WAS UNABLE TO MOVE TRAIN. HE THEN ASKED FOR NS TRAIN 283G110 TOO INSPECT THE DP ENGINES. PRIOR TO GETTING TO THE ENGINES CREW STRUCK TWO DERAIL CARS IN NS TRAIN 732G108. THE LEAD ENGINE UNCOUPLED FROM NS TRAIN 283G110 CONTINUED NORTH AND STOPPED WHEN STRIKING THE LEAD ENGINE OF NS TRAIN 29AG108.
Cause: E85C Bottom outlet car door open
What did you do to my brother?!?!!?!
Southbound NS 732 was passing a signal at Lindale, GA around 4:15 am when PTC put the train into emergency. This caused one or more coal hoppers in the middle of the train between the front end and the mid train DPUs to bunch up and derail. Northbound 283 ran into the derailed coal hopper throwing coal all over the locomotives and tearing the brake lines and chains off the lead unit. The lead unit then continued on unable to stop and ran into 29A head on at Rome, GA. The crew were able to radio the crew of 29A in time for them to exit their locomotive. The crew of 283 then jumped from their train moving between 25 and 30mph suffering broken bones and other injuries. The two damaged units were then backed into the siding while the site was cleaned up.
PTC and DPU’s that just about explains it all right there. Damn ! I hope them guys recover fully. Thats why they need more than one on a train . I hope you a$$holes in management are smart enough to figure that out. Your not only just risking crews now but whole communities. And I’ve noticed they are increasing train length and speed on slop freight. That shit will catch up with them also.
@@rc391995 Agreed!
Jumping off a locomotive moving at 25 to 30 mph on to a heavily ballasted Right of Way is going to end up hurting you no matter which way you try to look at it. Actually I am a bit surprised that the crew were not able to kill the locomotive and it's mate???
Did you copy that word for word from hotspots? 😂
@@markfryer9880 Hitting the emergency fuel cut off has nothing to do with brakes.
The crew did make it out. Injuries, but nothing insanely severe.
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Good thing they made it out. Hope they make a swift and full recovery.
@@GeorgiaStateRailfan yes
"luckily no one was hurt-"
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Rome, GA resident here, thank you for this report...the aerial footage is helpful in understanding what is going on. I'm not a railfan, just interested in trains and how they move about my community, so your explanation is appreciated.
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You'd be scared out of your mind if you knew what chemicals moved through your town. Look up PIH, TIH cars. Could have been much worse. Example: had locomotives run into the side of a loaded LPG car, there would be an immediate incineration zone of 3,000 feet! We won't even go into what chlorine or Anhydrous Ammonia would have done to your town. You probably don't want to know... 😮
@@rxrcond4life hey, I know chemicals move through here...we have several chemical-heavy industries here. I live 1.5 miles from the nearest rails, which is better than a lot of people. Just kind of a reality in any town that has rails going through it.
@@rxrcond4life spicy science words
@@ventilate4267 Many years of training/teaching/1st responder stuff. Conductors must know every haz mat, position in train, placement restrictions, what chemicals can be placed where and have yards if haz mat instructions with in case of a derailment. Conductor is in charge as incident commander until relieved by one in authority such as fireman. Does not include police...
Hope they are doing well. What a mess. My heart goes out to the crew! 🙏♥️
Thank you for covering this with such detail. Really interesting, glad the crew was not seriously hurt.
Hope the crew sustaining broken limbs fully recover and both crews are able to return to work.
Thanks for reporting. Glad to know everyone made it out safely with no major injuries.
My family member saw these train where he lives both him and him told me train looks bad still 😮2022
Outstanding reporting! Far superior than what we got on TV and in the news.
I live in Rome specifically a mile away from the the place the two locomotives collided. I recall around 4:15 - 4:30am i heard a loud boom, i didn't know until i got up for work saturday that this had happened.
I hope everyone is okay. 6789 seems to be an unlucky number for a machine since an SD40-2 6789 was in a head on collision in Gunter TX.
@burlingtonnorthern11 that is very true, hopefully the locomotives involved were repaired
Thanks for the coverage and photos. Great job. Lets hope and pray everyone is OK......
You have a great talent for delivering the facts. Video editing is also great. I’m very impressed. Thanks for sharing this.
Thank you for watching!
Came back to this video after seeing a video surface from one of the crew members of the train that got struck head on. The video shows the single BNSF locomotive running red light in cab at a steady pace past the worker, and then slamming into their train. Thanks for the clear explanation, crazy to see with all the things we've done to modernize railroading, runaway trains are still a risk. read through the comments and glad to hear no one was onboard during the collision, hoping for a quick recovery for the crew that jumped.
Can you share the name of the video. Not having much luck finding it.
Hope the crew is out with no injuries. Thank you for your great footage and this up to date report. I love trains. They haul so much freight and the crews work around the clock.
That looks like a miracle no one was hurt! Amen!
@@mikenodine6713 there were injuries
732, 734 and 76Z come through here on their way to Juliette. We see them all the time. I hope both crews are ok🙏 Thanks for covering this Charlie 👍
By golly you can see the brake rigging ripped out of the pistons in steal pictures. That's absolutely amazing. I'm not sure I would have thought that would happen without tearing big holes or scrapes on fuel tank
Excellent channel.
No self aggrandizing, just plain old reporting. When I see a channel that has a minute or more of titles, I just turn it off.
Keep up the good work.
Your regional journalism is outstanding
Thanks!
We just had one with our UP crew in California, two fatalities. 🙏🏾 stay safe guys.
Glad to hear that the two crews escaped with relatively minor injuries that could have been much much worse.
We can’t wait to hear additional info about this since it involved two (2) different Class I’s. Communication and Timing is Critical on the Railroad. Thanks Charlie. 👍
Would’ve they just be run through power? I didn’t know bnsf had trackage rights in Georgia
@@yankeesforlife24 correct .. just run through power
This is solely a Norfolk Southern incident. The BNSF units were pulling a NS train.
@@andyangle809 that’s what I thought these are fatigued NS crews
@@yankeesforlife24 You have no way of knowing anyone was fatigued. And even if they were, it sure sounds like this was a failure of equipment and not that of a crew
I appreciate your report because living in conway, Ar i wouldnt hear anything about this until much later. Keep up the goodworkyou do reporting on these derailments and other rail happenings that occur👍
Great use of drones to get in there tight and close....and still not trespass. Nice job!
I heard about this on a local Atlanta TV Station and was hoping you would get some video for us to see. Thank you!
Nice report well constructed thanks. Glad all are okay.
PTC could have prevented this. Oh, wait…
We all know wrecks can't happen with PTC, Right?
Railroads are in trouble.
Because conrail proved having no PTC prevented wrecks, too. Oh wait...
WOW! I live 30 mins from Rome Ga. Glad everyone survived.
I just saw a video that the second crew took when the runaway locomotive collided with their train. The lone locomotive flew by without any lights and the you hear a BANG!!
they are all good, lead engine knuckle came apart after hitting the coal car that jumped track idk why, but it ripped all the brake rods off and chains the left side and with air lines cut off no air could supply the other side making them useless and no chains means no hand brakes either.....and if i remember correctly when it goes into emergency the dynamics cut out
I was wondering how it could “break free” without going into emergency and kept on going. That explains it! Man, that’s the worst bad luck an engineer could possibly have! Damn!
Damn !
It probably depends on the railroad as far as the pneumatic brake application disabling the dynamic brakes. One class 1 that I know of has disabled that feature on most of its locomotives, the big road units for sure. You might know the guy as Uncle Pete. The dynamics work 100% of the time, unless there’s something wrong with them and the crew had to disable them manually.
On another railfan site the word was that both crews are a little banged up from bailing out. According to the word there, the coal train went into EMERGENCY for some reason and two hoppers near the rear derailed. The intermodal sideswiped those hoppers. I do NOT know why but apparently the lead locomotive of the intermodal became a runaway (no brakes) and collided head on with the NS unit at about 25 or so MPH.
NONE of this is official and is subject being 150% wrong, it is only what I had picked up from another site. But according to that site there were NO DEATHS or life threatening injuries in either crew, broken or bruised ribs and arm / wrist injuries consistent with jumping from a locomotive.
the no brakes part is accurate, 6746’s brake cylinders were sheared off as seen in the beginning, which meant the emergency application did absolutely nothing.
Your pretty close. Storms were giving the signals issues and the signal in front of the coal train dropped on the crew. PTC put the train in emergency and that pushed two hoppers off the track. The intermodal train side swiped the coal hoppers shearing off the brake cylinder and brake rigging for the handbrake. This also caused a dynamic brake failure somehow and the rest is history.
Storms was giving the signals issues. So they no damn well the machine broke down ! And why. That's just how deceitful the big wheels are. FRA needs to step up and do their job !
@@rc391995 Its not uncommon to see heavy rains affect the signals. Just the other day PTC showed an intermediate signal dropping from a clear to a restricting and back at the block ahead of us. The railroads only want to make money and cut everything down to bare bones to increase profits. They have no interest in fixing the infrastructure until they absolutely have to. It's situations like in this video as to why we are not budging in negotiations and will likely end up in a strike.
I think you should strike. The very fact the signals are dropping out by no means make it acceptable. I saw this crap coming as they was putting the hardware in for this stuff. I've logged several hundred miles as a conductor and have switched an untold amount of cars although I was mainly and most of the time a yard duck. But been sent out to retrieve dog laws quite a bunch. Not that all that matters but im very accustomed to their practices and stood nose to nose with the top executives more than once. They want to intimidate with you with fear. I'd die first before I would allow them to see me sweat . just sayin .Ain't my first rodeo. Hope you get what yoh guys deserve more help and more money. I don't think you will be able to strike long. Here's one you likely won't understand if your in the union don't ever vote republican. Ronald Reagan screwed over the unions for a life time . Google it you don't have to believe me .
Right fine job of reporting young feller. Keep up the good work, we all appreciate your due diligence. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Man... prayers to the crew and thanks to the rest out there keeping this country running
Thanks for the video! Rome, Ga is my hometown.
Itll be good to see the follow up info to this for sure.
Thankfully everyone is ok. I live in Rome and had to go pretty far out of the way to get around this to the other side 😅. I just knew something bad had happened.
the lead bnsf motor got loose when the rear left pilot was bent upwards in the initial collision with the coal cars forcing the coupler cut lever up, essentially the locomotive pulled it's own pin, during the brake away, the mu hoses separated of course, the main reservoir hose valve open exhausted all the air that it would need to slow the engine with the independent brake. Also being in emergency the engineer couldn't recover the trainline, that valve also open plus the ripped off brake cylinders. publicly the question remains as to why the signal dropped on the coal train resulting in ptc forcing its emergency application. the dpu units must likely caused the detailed cars in the curve.
From personal experience. The signal may not have even dropped. Seen and had it happen plenty of times, PTC just freaks out because of a communication issue.
@@osrr6422 exactly, and with DPUs, they dont immediately stop pushing just because the head end went into emergency. Depending on how far the dpus were from the head end, they could have kept pushing for up to 10 seconds after the head end went into emergency. Non railroaders dont understand that the dpus are a few seconds behind the lead commands, and in the event of a brakepipe interruption, it could be a few seconds for all the brake valves to dump from head to rear, meaning the leaders can be on their side digging up rocks, and the dpu still pushing for a few more seconds. Basically ive said the same thing 3 times here , 3 different ways lol. So for everyone else... that could be the reason why cars derailed after a PTC braking enforcememnt.
Well said. The only people that thinks DPU's are grand are the trespassing foamers .
I knew it wouldn’t be long until you posted a video on this
Great Video as always Brother and we'll 🙏 for the crews health.
I think we can take a sigh of relief that the anti-climbs on the locomotives did their job and kept the units from going into the cabs and crushing the crew
I think everyone jumped.
These two locomotives involved in the head-on collision were seen being moved on flatcars on the 1/20-1/21 video from Virtual Railfan past the Virginia Museum of Transportation cameras in Roanoke.
You don't hear of corn field meets anymore , thankfully.
man there has been alot of rail incidents lately
This was all caused by PTC - it threw the train into emergency! "NS 732 went into emergency when a signal dropped out on the crew, PTC doesn’t understand that so it throws the train into emergency, thus derailing 2 coal hoppers. NS 283 hit them and the lead engine broke free and was unable to stop and hit NS 29A head on around 4:15 this morning"
Yet the PTC didn't stop the runaway engine?
@@mikenodine6713 the runaway engine lost its air brakes. Supposedly the pistons were damaged/sheared off in the initial collision. PTC can’t fix that.
Wow ! I can see all that coming into play now .
@@duluthdepot6355 Thanks, now the question is what kind of engineered solution would solve that kind of issue? Or is this kind of incident so rare that it is cheaper to accept the losses when it happens? Even if it is a school bus full of kids?
Its starts with PTC. Any time a train gets in emergency you don't know what's going to take place . and when you got several DPU's going it just compounds the problem . The train going into emergency sure isn't a pleasant experience . that's a last resort measure. Some engineers won't swipe the gauge for an automobile on the crossing till after they've hit the automobile. Some won't even do it then and I don't blame them. Its all in according to the make up of train speed weight and terrain. Lots if factors come into play dynamic forces lateral pressure. I've seen more times than I can count on my fingers and toes the results of emergency brake applications. It ain't pretty !!!
BNSF ES44C4 #6746 & NS D940CW #9867 were involved in a derailment and head-on collision in Rome, Georgia which I recreated at the g scale New River Gorge National Park and Preserve in Fayetteville, West Virginia not far from Ansted where my uncle Greg lives.
BNSF 6746's sister unit 6745 was involved in a derailment in 2013
Look up Dechutes Junction north of bend Oregon, runaway with 7 miles of track to roll on
I'm a first-time viewer. Great job
Those BNSF coal trains come off BNSF and onto NS in Memphis, Tennessee, before continuing on NS thru Chattanooga, Dalton, Georgia (which is a 15 minute drive from my house), and onto Atlanta and then Juliette.
Train Watchers : Foamers 😊
Thanks for the video ❤️👍
This was a crazy one. Pretty cool to see the locomotives head to head, not going to lie.
Great coverage.
I'm curious about the crew's decision to jump. Not questioning it at all, they know way more than I do! What would be the deciding factors if you knew you were going to have a head on impact like this and had time to choose about jumping or not? At what speed would you definitely jump? other than the impact deceleration, what hazards would you consider about staying on board? Thanks!
Here’s to hoping the crew made it out alright!
Prayers sent
The crew is alright. They have minor injuries as they jumped off the locomotive.
@@Ttomisabeast1581967 Thanks for letting Us know!
If what I think is true what it sounds like, this is going to be a HUGE investigation and could change some things.
There was one on down at Taylorsville/covid, where the cars came off the tracks and near into homes I accidentally drove up on during covid and not one word was said about it.
😱😱 wow that hurt 🤕🤕. Like you said I hope crew ok .
Good coverage of an unfortunate incident.
wow now that I saw this were I live never heard about this now I'm a subscribed ill be Right here for train News
Man it has been a bad week for railroaders
There is a video out there of the BN unit hitting the NS
ah, this is the first runaway I’ve heard of since the CSX crazy eights incident
The runway that was near or in NASHVILLE a few years back?
@@wiseolesage No, not at all. Look up CSX Crazy 8’s incident.
I will check into that soon. Thanks!!
@@wiseolesage Mhm!
when coming to and meeting a train, if they went or are in emergency, you "clean the guages" and then ask questions! yeah, sometimes trains don't stop short but sometimes wrecks are prevented.
Has a 30 year veteran locomotive engineer from the union pacific railroad I don’t understand how this locomotive broke free from the Locomotive consist and the PCSSwitch did not kill that locomotives motor as that is one of the major safety appliances to prevent a runaway locomotive unless someone turned the main train line air valve to close which would not allow the PCS switch to trip if that were the case this becomes sabotage and there’s a human element involved
So explain in your words just what happens when the brake cylinders are ripped out and no longer part of the engine ? What operates the brake shoes then ? I was mainly only a switch man maybe I don't have the superior knowledge of the everyday foamer !
Seen a video of the runaway engine collide with the stopped train. It was pretty crazy. Broken ribs and a busted up face other than that the crew was okay.
have a link? I can't find footage anywhere.
@@MegaSuperfatguy there's no link just viewed pov future of the account.
I am not sure but I may have a video of the bnsf loco hitting the parked train
Being in Chattanooga I’ve watched many of these trains roll through- and some are probably a mile or two long and they haul ass.
Thank God that it wasn't another Graniteville, SC.
Hate to see this. As I commented on another video the bean counters continue to add technology and reduce work force. Is it a coincidence that we see more and more of these type of situations? I think not.
are we seeing more and more? I'm not trying to be a troll here, but not sure the stats bear that conclusion out.
Shill
Hate to see derailments and especially head on's. Hope everyone involved is OK!
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I am surprised there isn’t a fail safe prevent this. In many if not all passenger trains they have such a device.
Oddly enough...it is possible (but too early to tell) that the "fail safe" device actually started this unfortunate chain of events
Such a device would not have worked when the brakes get ripped off.
BNSF ES44C4 #6746 and NS D940CW #9867 were involved in a head-on collision in Rome, Georgia. Correct?
Great report! Thanks for explaining. Wondered what happened. Hauling coal across the country to charge Teslas. What a scheme.
oh my 😮 hope the train drivers are ok
I hope everyone's ok. That's insane.
there was video of the collision on tiktok a few hours after it happened and i couldn't find it but it showed the single BNSF loco hauling ass then you hear the big bang after it leaves frame, i think BNSF cleaned the video off the platform bc i cant find it
I’m trying to figure out why PTC didn’t take over and throw the locomotive into emergency? 🤷🏻♂️
When you figure it out please let the rest of us in on it !!
PTC can put a train into emergency braking....but only if the brakes work. If the brakes do not work, they do not work.
Glad you are finally catching on its only been said on here dozens of times here since this video started. Your very observant !!!
Ok…i see where I fucked up…I thought the lead unit was of the coal train…not the intermodal….I see where the pistons got side swiped….when it said runaway I was thinking more of a crazy 8s incident with that locomotive 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Better study some more.
I am surprised that the crew of the BNSF locomotive were not able to kill the engines. Loosing the brakes and dynamics is one half of the equation, but what about cutting out the power?
Once the intermodal train suffered a separation, the brakes would have applied in emergency and the PCS would open on the engines. That means no dynamic to slow the engine down that broke away, and no power to apply in reverse to slow it down either. With the brake cylinders ripped off, no air to apply the brakes on the runaway locomotive. Perfect storm.
Locomotives in motion without brakes and power can coast for miles and miles and miles on level track
Hold on where is the FRA report for NS 8099
Glad to hear the crew members made it out safely! Its a shame this and certainly know its always possible. Thoughts and prayers for those recovering from this from Delmar, Delaware.
#yourprayersmeannothing
Wow what a catastrophic failure. I’ll admit I’ve seen some things happen with those machines others wouldn’t believe. But it is mechanical and mechanical things fail. There is just so much safe guards built into it. You wouldn’t think all of them would fail at one time but who knows. First thing that went through my mind how does the lead locomotive break loose from its train and go 4 miles and collides with another train ? The fact that it tore apart from the rest of train should should have put the brakes on and shut the power down on the engine. Then it went through my head if it’s the lead locomotive why don’t the crew shut the thing down and stop it ? I thought they was either dead or they had come to realize things was beyond their control and they jumped. I’m glad to hear they did and hope they ain’t injured to badly but I bet they didn’t jump till the last minute. I tell you what thats not a fun thing I’ve jumped and ran like hell before . It’s not a good feeling. I mean there is so many bazar things that happened here. That distributive power thats not the best thing that ever happened to the RR either those things run by remote signal from lead locomotive and signals don’t always transmit correctly. And that could well be the cause of the derailment to start with. The old southern railway quit using them things 50 years ago because of radio signal loss and the engines in the middle started doing their own thing. Tunnels was a disaster. Lot of story going to come out of this fiasco. Runaway locomotive is something generally you see in the movie. Thats not an everyday occurrence but once again . It is mechanical and subject to failure. I hope the carriers don’t try to just lay it off on the crew. They wanting one man trains so bad right now they will say anything at this point to get what they want. If they can use this wreck to their advantage they will. But seems like from from whats going on here they might have a hard time with that one. Good luck guys if you read this. I hope you all fully recover. Some of us know exactly what you just been through !!!
Shutting down the engine doesn't stop engines, you'd know that if you were retired rail worker as you claimed in your other posts. Also the brakes were torn off as you ranted about in another post so non existent brakes won't work. More proof you are a troll.
Yes, which is it, you obviously paid shill? As you yourself said you can't brake when there are no brakes...
"You should know when an engine side swipes a derailed coal train and it tears all the brake system from a locomotive the cylinders the listens the fulcrum the rods and entirely the whole brake rigging and that stuff is no longer part of the braking system there is nothing left to stop it. You need to rear here what's going on and what happened. Its either you've not read or you are an official trying to cover for the damn RR and still trying your level best to promote this one man crew foolishness. If that's what your doing your a paid shill that or you don't have a clue what your talking about . which is it ?"
Once again you lack comprehension skills . Where did I say shutting down the engines would stop them ? That's one of the most absurd thoughts that's been entertained here.
Here kitty kitty kitty ! Come out you little sum bitch
The old Southern did not quit using DPUs. There was no such thing 50 years ago. This is brand new technology. The lead unit did break away, but the brakes were badly damaged. Hard to apply brakes if they won't work. And if you are a railroader, you would know that even if the crew shuts down their power the units can coast for miles and miles on level track
NS dodged a HUGE bullet. the westbound Amtrak had just cleared the coal train minutes before the coal train wrecked in Dismal Swamp (in Virginia) and damn lucky no other westbound train!
thankfully no one was injured!
well no one was injured from the collision itself. the crew of one of the trains jumped out of it going 25-30mph and were injured but there were just some non serious injuries and no one required a hospital stay or surgery.
Must of been a mega train! With a dp in the middle of coal cars! I work in the powder river basin!
I know this is two months old but I have footage of the collision recorded by the conductor and engineer if u want it
What were the Engineer and Conductor doing while the engine was on it's own
heading for the head on? What about the alerter you have to push frequently or
the Engine stops by itself?
Until the class I RR stop running 5-mile-long trains, this is a potential in a residential area. PSR has not been good for the costumers or the employees. This is proof that 1-to-1.5-mile train is sufficient and car slack to a minimum. I hope the employees get what they are asking for in the contract talks.
Oh but wait . There's Moore . course there always is DD special duty detective Dave will have to come by and certify your post fist
Sure hope no one was injured. Wildest thing that happened on the Powered River was a stolen loco out of North Antelope Mine. D rails had to be put down to keep the guy off the main line. Scariest thing I ever witnessed watching that loco go back and forth on the monitors at Bill Wyoming, trying so hard to get on the main.
I see these trains daily here in Sheffield AL passing through on there way east full and goin west empty
You stated that railroads report incidents such as in this vid to the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA). So, when and if does the NTSB get involved? Or does the NTSB defer to the FRA? Or do both agencies work in tandem with one another?
I think they will buff out
Me too!
The crew in Thursdays collision in California was ejected entirely out of their AC4400, let's not forget them
Great video, but I'm still at a loss of what happened......
Sending 🙏 to the crew for there Hard work
I live approximately 30 mins from this. Guess I need to turn on the news.
I got physical pain just by looking at this
God 🙏 bless everyone who was in this train wreck God will send his angels to watch over us all
I remember as a boy going to Cumberland Md trainyard with my dad and grandfather of whom worked there to see the headon that had taken the life of a female engineer. They said it took a flatnose to pretty much get her out of the engine. Not sure of that was a figure of speech or what. Chessie had a bad day that day, needless to say
I live in Rome and just hearing about this on UA-cam 😂
The locomotives are in fairly good shape