I think having one of these if you are wealthy as a second laptop is the best way to go about it. Figure out what you can use remotely and use the battery life
Interesting video, always like your takes as they arent a mainstream viewpoint, more the view of an enthusiast user and a lot of channels dont think like this.
I will give this one a miss then - but appreciate the work you put into it. I assume you wouldnt have an ARM laptop Leo yet, even for travelling and battery life?
Qualcomm Snapdragon has not been too bad out of the gate, for a launch product, there will always be teething issues with such a new platform - will take some time to get issues ironed out
Great work as usual. Was all the test software - other than the games - native ARM? Would your opinion change if you restricted usage to native ARM software like Office?
Seems to be so many compatibility issues and X86 issues for Qualcomm, to be fair its a tall order with all the softwware packages, but it still some way from being a main system for most people
I think you're being way too easy on it - 5 max. 1200 quid is an awful lot to spend on something that you can't be sure will run anything. The chassis looks pretty flimsy too. I wonder how long it will last before something breaks?
Performance is a bit disappointing but wonder how much of that is down to unoptimised software working on a very different architecture? Windows is inherently x86 friendly with most of Microsoft's efforts so far a bit half arsed.
Anything with native ASM code is going to be awful on this thing. Which means anything computationally intensive is going to be slow as it’s going to have to emulate.
QCOM Windows ARM laptops aren’t selling at all. Laptop buyers will buy an AMD or Intel instead. Nvidia is the only hope for Windows ARM laptops next year!
Battery life is great, but seems they still have a lot of teething issues to deal with. That said, ive had a google pixelbook for years and still use it for some things
Thanks Leo, good review, seems like one to hang fire on until at least the gen 2 laptops in 2025 or 2026 - I want to see if they continue to support it
That intro was hilarious. Maybe copilot could have used AI to fix it from spelling out the name of the actual platform its using. Thats my key takeaway
Cinebench-wise, R23 is x64-only and entirely emulated on win/arm64 via Prism. Cinebench 2024 has an arm64 version, but you need to deliberately download that -- the app cannot figure out the host arch on its own.
I am actually excited to see how things go with AI in the next two years - once they figure out how to do hands, arms and feet and eyes, it might have a chance of fooling people
Thanks Leo, I can safely say I think we should just stick with Intel and AMD for the time being unless you use office or something similar and need max battery life on the go
I like Leos reviews, always tells it like it is - just surprised that AI seems to not have developed much since they announced it. Even the copilot+ response was just voice to text from some stupid website
really not as bad as I thought, I had imagined this would be a horror story. At the end of the day if you are only using it for light case scenarios it will be fine - some general office stuff, emails., web browsing, you tube. but for similar money you might get very similar battery life from one of the new AMD CPU's. shame it wasnt compared, but with all the variables I appreciate its tricky
wrong, there are other channels who have done strenuous work on it, and it was fine - but your free to treat the current stuff like the stuff from 5 years ago. Also, many issues can be traced to the maker of the kaptop and what settings they default to for bios and whatever sku of windows they ship with. Alex Ziskind has great videos on it - and I find a lot of the coverage otherwise to be unfortunate by comparison
Good luck getting Qualcomm to open up their hardware to external software. They are notoriously secretive and laggy with drivers especially. They drove me to the iPhone after years of getting sick of their abandonware.
I almost bought a Surface, but I watched a few reviews and the apps I use are not yet fully supported so its a waste of time and money for me personally
These laptops need to be priced a fair bit less, after all there are still a lot of apps not supported and you get performance penalities for running X86 under emulation
if Qualcomm and Microsoft only care about productivity use, People will just use MacBook. With Lunar lake laptop out, Windows ARM laptop is no longer interesting because App compability suck.
Trouble is with pre compiled software it’s very hard to get the performance out. Linux on this thing would be a very different story as you can get native compiled stuff way easier.
bruh 5/10 was already too high the compatibility problem is HUGE, if you want battery and browser just get a 1/4 priced tablet + a 10$ bluetooth keyboard
X86 is such a well developed platform, using ARM is like going back in time 20 years - microsoft will hopefully continue to work with them on it, but like any new platform, its going to have problems
I returned mine cause I need my computer to run ALL my work programs. Quiet and ran cool but I got a asus s 16 ai 9 370 and I love that laptop way more. DONT GET SNAPDRAGON
Leo showing AI up - good man what a joke. Also Qualcomm while power efficient is not a system I would buy for anything serious. maybe a general house laptop for web, booking holidays, email etc. but £1200 is quite a lot
This is very expensive for what it is IMO, you can get an entry level Nvidia discrete laptop at similar pricing with a lot more power. I understand this isnt necessarily the audience, but still
Thank goodness Leo reviewed this instead of AI. Ai will never be able to replicate Leo. Ever.
Copilot 🤣
One youtube site already "borrowed" @JeffGeerling voice in they videos without his permission. All that talk was generated by AI.
@@dreschaffhausen5693 Copilot. It's the Zune of AI 😂
Joke's on you. He is AI generated
Joke's on you. He is AI generated
I'm more interested in the USB power meter than the laptop, this might be a cause for concern amongst Qualcomm marketing executives.
Nice review Leo, always honest, thanks!
Leo - never replaced by AI !!!
Thanks for another great review Leo! :)
Its a solid looking laptop, the screen looks a bit flat in the video, and its expensive for what you get
I think having one of these if you are wealthy as a second laptop is the best way to go about it. Figure out what you can use remotely and use the battery life
Got to love the battery life you get out of ARM.
Nicely done Leo 🎉
Great review Leo thank you
Not sure whether to pull the trigger on one of these or wait a bit.
Interesting video, always like your takes as they arent a mainstream viewpoint, more the view of an enthusiast user and a lot of channels dont think like this.
I will give this one a miss then - but appreciate the work you put into it. I assume you wouldnt have an ARM laptop Leo yet, even for travelling and battery life?
Qualcomm Snapdragon has not been too bad out of the gate, for a launch product, there will always be teething issues with such a new platform - will take some time to get issues ironed out
Great work as usual. Was all the test software - other than the games - native ARM? Would your opinion change if you restricted usage to native ARM software like Office?
Needs a lot more development and support to become a threat to Intel and AMD - X86 has been the industry standard for so long
Not ready yet.
I want one of those USB-C power draw dongles Intel use they are really cool.
ARM still has a lot of issues, its great to see more competition, but moving f rom the X86 platform will come with some issues
Seems to be so many compatibility issues and X86 issues for Qualcomm, to be fair its a tall order with all the softwware packages, but it still some way from being a main system for most people
I think you're being way too easy on it - 5 max. 1200 quid is an awful lot to spend on something that you can't be sure will run anything. The chassis looks pretty flimsy too. I wonder how long it will last before something breaks?
So best to think of this as a modern day descent of the Acorn Archimedes A4 laptop.
Or the laptop version of any android phone.
Its not for me, but it is good to see other companies trying to get into a very competitive market between two long standing companies
Really interested to see the power draw against the new zen 5 and the new intel whatever it was called that was demoed the other week.
Love how Qualcomm supplied performance figures for cinebencz 2024 which doesnt run on it
The arm version runs fine on arm.
What laptop do you use Leo for travelling or do you use a tablet?
A Zenbook 14 running on Intel 11th Gen
Leo
Looks good - nice simple design.. But those software issues are a deal-breaker for me
Too many issues for me still. Will take some time to sort for Qualcomm if Microsoft out the resources into it
I think the new AMD laptop range looks better overall for most people. Interested to see what Intel do soon
That GPU performance is a bit depressing is it their own core?
Good review leo - I am sick hearing about AI - its a lot of twaddle what I have seen
AI is mostly bollocks. Good at some stuff but gets tripped up by details every time. Think its been massively over hyped.
anyone know if there any way to resolve the compatibility issues with ARM software? curious to know how it would work 😁
That screen looks very dull at full brightness - likely to save battery as it would suck the battery dry quickly
Too many ads!!
Love Insyde's user friendly bios update program with Do not turn off your computer in red. Copyright 2000-2024!!!
research this - ARM is not ready for mainstream use - Apple have it worked out, but its a closed ecosystem so its been fine for them.
Doesnt look like this is ready for mainstream.
The amount of bugs look nightmarish in their drivers. Will take forever to sort out. If ever.
Performance is a bit disappointing but wonder how much of that is down to unoptimised software working on a very different architecture? Windows is inherently x86 friendly with most of Microsoft's efforts so far a bit half arsed.
Apple got it right but they have total control over the whole ecosystem from hardware to software.
Could be a really useful laptop if you spend any time travelling away from a power socket.
OMG that copilot AI just showed me a reason not to upgrade to win11.
Kind of depressing since NT has been functional on ARM since 2012.
Should be closer to £999 to be a better buy as you are going to be beta testing a lot of this stuff as you use it for them
There a lot of x86 emulation going on here which is a shame as native arm would give a much better result.
Would not touch this with a barge pole
Anything with native ASM code is going to be awful on this thing. Which means anything computationally intensive is going to be slow as it’s going to have to emulate.
Wow those benchmarks don’t look that great do they!
Oh dear, quite a few issues, even copilot looks in a beta state based on the nonsense at the start - its just (badly) reading a webpage
Surely can't be paying more than £1k for a laptop where you'll be playing a roulette on what software it can run.
If atleast there was an easy way to run android apps.
This is Why A.I bad. We need humans.
Very underwhelming in a few areas. Intel might have a chance
Its a lot of money for a laptop that cant really do any gaming.
Tell me about it! 😂
Its still not a viable platform for most people - light use cases, maybe - gamers or professionals? far too many risks - check back in a year
snapdragon meeeh
It’s not very impressive considering the hype for the last year or 2
I hate AI so much. No one asked for it but its being added to everything.
Pointless AI benchmark giving AI units. Nonsense.
Not much of a laptop for 1200 quid
I don’t know why anyone would buy this laptop. It’s not even well made by the looks of the flex and design
Wonder how these are selling, reception seems to be less than luke warm from channels ive seen reviewing them.
Think so far they are a bit of a curiosity and they are priced way too high,
QCOM Windows ARM laptops aren’t selling at all. Laptop buyers will buy an AMD or Intel instead. Nvidia is the only hope for Windows ARM laptops next year!
Battery life is great, but seems they still have a lot of teething issues to deal with. That said, ive had a google pixelbook for years and still use it for some things
"a lot"
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Thanks Leo, good review, seems like one to hang fire on until at least the gen 2 laptops in 2025 or 2026 - I want to see if they continue to support it
That intro was hilarious. Maybe copilot could have used AI to fix it from spelling out the name of the actual platform its using. Thats my key takeaway
Life is just so complicated now, AI can be used for the good, but so much of it right now is utter nonsense
Cinebench-wise, R23 is x64-only and entirely emulated on win/arm64 via Prism. Cinebench 2024 has an arm64 version, but you need to deliberately download that -- the app cannot figure out the host arch on its own.
People suffers because they want. use Linux mint instead.😊
I am actually excited to see how things go with AI in the next two years - once they figure out how to do hands, arms and feet and eyes, it might have a chance of fooling people
Thanks Leo, I can safely say I think we should just stick with Intel and AMD for the time being unless you use office or something similar and need max battery life on the go
Auto tune, AI, fake videos, fake everything - welcome to 2024. Can we go back in time to before I was born?
I like Leos reviews, always tells it like it is - just surprised that AI seems to not have developed much since they announced it. Even the copilot+ response was just voice to text from some stupid website
If you buy a laptop for AI just now you are mad in the head, its not even a platform yet - like Apple AI and iPhone 16’s - not even out yet
Leo - if they ever use AI to create reviews, I thiink we all need to give up and go home
Ai - wow its being pushed on even my music channels I watch - even making videos now for big bands like Queen - its sh1te too
The next year will see if AI use cases on a laptop makes even any sense. So many tech things end up as fads for the mainstream consumer
Microsoft - absolute nightmare
really not as bad as I thought, I had imagined this would be a horror story. At the end of the day if you are only using it for light case scenarios it will be fine - some general office stuff, emails., web browsing, you tube. but for similar money you might get very similar battery life from one of the new AMD CPU's. shame it wasnt compared, but with all the variables I appreciate its tricky
wrong, there are other channels who have done strenuous work on it, and it was fine - but your free to treat the current stuff like the stuff from 5 years ago. Also, many issues can be traced to the maker of the kaptop and what settings they default to for bios and whatever sku of windows they ship with.
Alex Ziskind has great videos on it - and I find a lot of the coverage otherwise to be unfortunate by comparison
I like this laptop, but its expensive and I dont think i would want to deal with the issues that Leo has reported to be honest
What a lot of crap
That bandwidth is amazing theyve got something special going on there.
Leo 5 AI 0
Good luck getting Qualcomm to open up their hardware to external software. They are notoriously secretive and laggy with drivers especially. They drove me to the iPhone after years of getting sick of their abandonware.
I almost bought a Surface, but I watched a few reviews and the apps I use are not yet fully supported so its a waste of time and money for me personally
Me too ended up buying the apple keyboard for the iPad. Glad I did that instead.
These laptops need to be priced a fair bit less, after all there are still a lot of apps not supported and you get performance penalities for running X86 under emulation
At 600 quid it would be something to consider.
Budget nowadays is 1200 squid. Good god.
For that money you can buy an apple silicon laptop.. No contest.
if Qualcomm and Microsoft only care about productivity use, People will just use MacBook. With Lunar lake laptop out, Windows ARM laptop is no longer interesting because App compability suck.
Trouble is with pre compiled software it’s very hard to get the performance out. Linux on this thing would be a very different story as you can get native compiled stuff way easier.
bruh 5/10 was already too high the compatibility problem is HUGE, if you want battery and browser just get a 1/4 priced tablet + a 10$ bluetooth keyboard
Windows on ARM still has a long way to go with software support..
agreed, id definitely wait for more software to support ARM before buying anything!
Which software that you use is not supported?
Aren't you supposed to download ARM release of CB2024 ?
So if you want a decent ARM based laptop you need to be buying Apple at the moment.
that AI demo bit at the start had me laughing my head off. A ------ R ---------- M lols
X86 is such a well developed platform, using ARM is like going back in time 20 years - microsoft will hopefully continue to work with them on it, but like any new platform, its going to have problems
I returned mine cause I need my computer to run ALL my work programs. Quiet and ran cool but I got a asus s 16 ai 9 370 and I love that laptop way more. DONT GET SNAPDRAGON
Leo showing AI up - good man what a joke. Also Qualcomm while power efficient is not a system I would buy for anything serious. maybe a general house laptop for web, booking holidays, email etc. but £1200 is quite a lot
It’s cool to see ARM laptops, nice to see Microsoft branching out of their x86 comfort zone.
So this is a purely internet device isnt it. Maybe a bit of UA-cam. Forget gaming.
This is very expensive for what it is IMO, you can get an entry level Nvidia discrete laptop at similar pricing with a lot more power. I understand this isnt necessarily the audience, but still
Luna lake is going to be quite special I think.
AI everything, I even got an email from Seasonic at the weekend saying they were making power supplies to support AI platforms.