really great comparision and musecore 4 is next level.... one thing everyone here should understand is..... the value of having..... "the knowledge of orchestrating the piece" if u really master notating each and very finer details properly for instance 1. voicing of chords (harmony) 2.dynamics 3.articulations 4.RIGHT BALaNCE and automation ANYONE CAN ACHIEVE THE SOUND ALMOST 95% to the real orchestra but the 5% is always almost hard to achiEve but 95/100 just by ur computer is pretty oosum and game changer... in anyones programming career all d best for all the orchestraters and million thanks to the musecore 4 team happy composing all god bless
Balancing a score for orchestra is one thing, but balancing the sounds and dynamics in a software like Musescore quiet another - how do you do that?? I get soooo frustrated. The saxophones are way too dominating as well as the E flat clarinet in Muse sounds, for instance, unless you do something about it, of course. When it comes to articulations, were I have put a slur over a group of notes marked with staccato dots, the older version played them staccato, while Musescore 4 plays them mezzo-staccato, as it should. However, when it comes to Muse sounds, all of a sudden, it plays them staccatissimo for some instruments and staccato for others! - What???
Sometimes there isn't hardly a difference. Though whenever I hear the Muse Sounds version, it definitely reminds me of real musicians playing that same piece of music. Very nice comparison you've made.
Everyone knows that a top orchestra always sounds better. But a top orchestra costs a lot of money, and everyone who works around it also costs a lot of money. Fortunately, Midi is getting better and better because, apart from money, everything to convert for an orchestra, including the score printout, conductor, ProTools and reloading, takes a lot of time. Since film budgets are getting smaller and smaller, Midi is sometimes the best solution.
I'm pretty sure Musescore doesn't even use MIDI for Musesounds, and instead uses its own way to play the music. I think this is why you can't use Musesounds in a DAW
With Muse Sounds, it is necessary to over-notate dynamics and articulations. If you add very detailed dynamic markings, hairpins, accents, slurs etc even where the are not in the original score, you can start to get closer to the way a real musician would contour a line.
The BBC orch sounds fluid and blended as the score indicates. The MuseScore version has really detailed separation of the sounds of the sections, which...ironically in once bar or two sound even better than the orchestra, but the overall balance still goes to the orchestra as the string sounds are strong and melodic and have a fluidity that the samples simply from this bank cannot bring out. SF Appassionata and EW or Vienna strings might make a serious difference here though along with a little better mixing and balance of the elements.
Awesome video! Thanks! I'd comment that the real performance is much more blended and smooth so to speak. Excellent either way. Impressive MS4 sounds though (for free).
After listening to a couple of these comparisons, and after suffering years of aural and mental abuse at the hands of Finale, this may be the year I finally ditch Finale.
@@maxwellkowal3065 i agree with you. Im not saying that MS4 sounds arent good. They are amazing. Im just pointing out that the trumpet sounds attrocious. And if one tries to play staccato melodies on the violin it doesnt really work too well
It's still extremely impressive, but it won't sound as good as a real orchestra anytime soon. They need to work on the blending on instruments a bit, but it's a massive improvement from MS3.
Having only listed to the first 30 seconds, they flute sounds real but not played in an appropriate manner for the piece. The rest of the orchestra sounds appropriate but not mixed well. It would be interesting to see musescore simulate the audio as if it were in a concert hall, though perhaps that’s best left to other programs.
Balance is well out between woodwind (far too loud) and other sections. Probably a bit too dry. But a decent effort. Still sounds a little bit artificial. You have to play orchestral samples with such infinite care to keep the illusion going.
The imbalance issue is a continuing major issue with Muse Sounds, and it effects more than just the woodwinds. The viola section and viola solo are much quieter than the other strings, oboe is too quiet even at triple forte, and flutes are too loud (and the piccolo in particular - it still sounds loud and clear even when playing at triple piano). Another major issue I've noticed is that because only two dynamic layers were used with pitched percussive instruments like the vibraphone or harp, there is a sudden change in loudness and timbre between mf and f dynamics that renders dynamic changes useless in those instruments (I use to use a VST for those).
@@sergeip2002 Do you have any tips for how to make the Muse sounds more balanced in a score? I only know three methods: 1. Changing on the Mixer for general adjustments 2. Faking with the wrong dynamic mark (i.d. marking an invisible mf, when you mean p, for instance.) 3. Marking a group of notes and changing the velocity so that they will be played louder or softer.
really great comparision and musecore 4 is next level....
one thing everyone here should understand is.....
the value of having.....
"the knowledge of orchestrating the piece"
if u really master notating each and very finer details properly for instance
1. voicing of chords (harmony)
2.dynamics
3.articulations
4.RIGHT BALaNCE and automation
ANYONE CAN ACHIEVE THE SOUND ALMOST 95% to the real orchestra but the 5% is always almost hard to achiEve but 95/100 just by ur computer is pretty oosum and game changer... in anyones programming career
all d best for all the orchestraters and million thanks to the musecore 4 team
happy composing all
god bless
Balancing a score for orchestra is one thing, but balancing the sounds and dynamics in a software like Musescore quiet another - how do you do that?? I get soooo frustrated. The saxophones are way too dominating as well as the E flat clarinet in Muse sounds, for instance, unless you do something about it, of course.
When it comes to articulations, were I have put a slur over a group of notes marked with staccato dots, the older version played them staccato, while Musescore 4 plays them mezzo-staccato, as it should. However, when it comes to Muse sounds, all of a sudden, it plays them staccatissimo for some instruments and staccato for others! - What???
tq for pinning my comment sir... means a lot
Sometimes there isn't hardly a difference. Though whenever I hear the Muse Sounds version, it definitely reminds me of real musicians playing that same piece of music. Very nice comparison you've made.
You probably don't listen to classical music then
@@jasonmartinez6419 I don't always have to listen to Classical.
@@jasonmartinez6419way to gatekeep. This isn't even classical music anyway.
@@DHM91 well not at all. This is the music of early 20th century...
@@sergeip2002still classical music
Everyone knows that a top orchestra always sounds better. But a top orchestra costs a lot of money, and everyone who works around it also costs a lot of money. Fortunately, Midi is getting better and better because, apart from money, everything to convert for an orchestra, including the score printout, conductor, ProTools and reloading, takes a lot of time. Since film budgets are getting smaller and smaller, Midi is sometimes the best solution.
I'm pretty sure Musescore doesn't even use MIDI for Musesounds, and instead uses its own way to play the music.
I think this is why you can't use Musesounds in a DAW
With Muse Sounds, it is necessary to over-notate dynamics and articulations. If you add very detailed dynamic markings, hairpins, accents, slurs etc even where the are not in the original score, you can start to get closer to the way a real musician would contour a line.
well, the live sounds for musescore 4 were sampled from the BBC Orchestra, and were made in collab with Spitfire Audio
Interesting fact... How did you know that?
The BBC orch sounds fluid and blended as the score indicates. The MuseScore version has really detailed separation of the sounds of the sections, which...ironically in once bar or two sound even better than the orchestra, but the overall balance still goes to the orchestra as the string sounds are strong and melodic and have a fluidity that the samples simply from this bank cannot bring out. SF Appassionata and EW or Vienna strings might make a serious difference here though along with a little better mixing and balance of the elements.
Wow. MS4 is amazing. I couldn't tell it was not a real orchestra.
They both sound amazing, great choice of music!
I love how it sounds in MuseScore 4, but both are amazing!
The english horn sounds different but they sound different in every orchestra. Interesting comparison, thank you !
Awesome video! Thanks! I'd comment that the real performance is much more blended and smooth so to speak. Excellent either way. Impressive MS4 sounds though (for free).
LOL! I, in fact, like the Musescore version more than the real record.
if possible more pieces like this.....or musecore orchestrations .... alone tq very much... very inspiring video...
Can you linke your improved score? i would love to analyse how you made MS4 sound so amazing!
Musescore is so good it cant possibly remain free ! Huhu
But it's the only one
Yes, Musescore’s new sounds are excellent, especially considering it’s free. Rivals some of the paid orchestras at this point. Outstanding.
After listening to a couple of these comparisons, and after suffering years of aural and mental abuse at the hands of Finale, this may be the year I finally ditch Finale.
Nice try, dude!
Now put something fast, brassy, and staccato. That's the biggest weakness of this soundfont
Not really, but a little bit
yeah, the trumpets are unfortunately atrocious in MS4. But the rest is a godsend lol
@@yggdrasil7033 It's one of the best sounding woodwind MIDI playbacks I've heard
@@maxwellkowal3065 i agree with you. Im not saying that MS4 sounds arent good. They are amazing. Im just pointing out that the trumpet sounds attrocious. And if one tries to play staccato melodies on the violin it doesnt really work too well
@@yggdrasil7033 I know
Well, the Musescore version is not nearly as balanced as the real orchestra, but what do you expect?
It's still extremely impressive, but it won't sound as good as a real orchestra anytime soon. They need to work on the blending on instruments a bit, but it's a massive improvement from MS3.
You can mix the recording in musescore, they just didn't. It's very tricky to manipulate musesounds into a more realistic sound, but possible
Amazing. Very difficult to discerning sampling from true. The critical point is the " staccato" note Flavour. but No't abvious for me
Link to my next comparison: ua-cam.com/video/BetFJamE8nY/v-deo.html
WOW
There is a little bit of reverb missing in the MS version.
Have these been mixed or edited in a DAW?
Having only listed to the first 30 seconds, they flute sounds real but not played in an appropriate manner for the piece. The rest of the orchestra sounds appropriate but not mixed well. It would be interesting to see musescore simulate the audio as if it were in a concert hall, though perhaps that’s best left to other programs.
Balance is well out between woodwind (far too loud) and other sections. Probably a bit too dry. But a decent effort. Still sounds a little bit artificial. You have to play orchestral samples with such infinite care to keep the illusion going.
The imbalance issue is a continuing major issue with Muse Sounds, and it effects more than just the woodwinds. The viola section and viola solo are much quieter than the other strings, oboe is too quiet even at triple forte, and flutes are too loud (and the piccolo in particular - it still sounds loud and clear even when playing at triple piano). Another major issue I've noticed is that because only two dynamic layers were used with pitched percussive instruments like the vibraphone or harp, there is a sudden change in loudness and timbre between mf and f dynamics that renders dynamic changes useless in those instruments (I use to use a VST for those).
You do realize you cam balance this with the mixer, right?
Sounds good, but there are some balancing issues.
Of course... I'll repair it soon!
@@sergeip2002 Do you have any tips for how to make the Muse sounds more balanced in a score?
I only know three methods: 1. Changing on the Mixer for general adjustments 2. Faking with the wrong dynamic mark (i.d. marking an invisible mf, when you mean p, for instance.) 3. Marking a group of notes and changing the velocity so that they will be played louder or softer.
@@NidusFormicarum Yep, until volume automation becomes possible, balancing is a big hassle.
do you have a download to your musescore recreation of it?
Hi, does the full record exist?
Насчёт записи BBC Concert orchestra это точно есть...
А насчёт musescore не знаю...
@@sergeip2002 спасибо!
I think Musescore is anyway worth thing for amateurs like me.
Cinematic studio and eastwest have got much more depth. Especially if you use it right. ua-cam.com/video/pXCVLLFvx-0/v-deo.html
I'm not sure if cinematic studio samples were free...