Information war against Russia
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- There is a lot of talk about Russian information warfare but less about how the West can influence the discourse in Russia. In this video I argue that the West should not use the same tools as Russia, because we want to achieve the opposite results.
I then discuss the role that UA-cam plays in Russia, and why Russian UA-cam channels may be worth supporting.
0:00 Intro
1:04 Russian information war
2:39 Why the West can't do the same
3:48 Goals with Western information war
4:22 Preaching won't work
5:13 Provide true and relevant information
6:46 The role of UA-cam in Russia
8:34 Russian UA-cam channels
9:08 Russia tries to silence UA-camrs
10:45 Funding Russian influencers?
Links to the mentioned channels:
Maxim Katz: @Max_Katz
Michael Naki: @MackNack
Obyektiv: @Obyektiv
Alexander Plushev: @plushev
There are a lot of problems with impersonation scams right now, where people take my thumbnail picture and pretend to be me in the comments section. Typically they will ask you to contact them on another platform like Telegram or WhatsApp. Please don’t do that. It’s not actually me.
If you want to get in contact with me outside of UA-cam, then Mastodon is my preferred social media platform (@anderspuck@krigskunst.social). I'm also somewhat active on LinkedIn. You can also find my email address on my website, but please notice that I get a lot of email, and it's hard to keep up.
Thanks for that info. Got all excited for a minute! 😉
Rapportert som forsøk på å fremme terrorisme. Regner med at det er en russisk bot, og at det er ytterst treffende.
It's somehow funny, how much you 'impersonated' Peter Zeihan in this video. The only thing missing was the intro 'Hi, I'm Anders Puck Nielsen and comming to you from the beautiful countryside of XYZ today' 😂
Maxim Katz: @Max_Katz
Michael Naki: @MackNack
Obyektiv: @Obyektiv
Alexander Plushev: @plushev
Neils Orain 1420 and links
Joe Bloggs,
PERUN ,
Artur Rehi,
Paul Combat Vetran,
Vlad Vexler,
Anna from Ukraine,
Silicon Curtain, and links
Ukraine matters,
Jake Broe
INSIDE RUSSIA with Konstantin
Russian Dude
Operator Starsky
It just happened to me
I noticed the efforts to get pro-Ukrainian channels demonetized, so I donate to them every now and then.
Thanks man.
Thank you very much!
YT has gone full Putin schlong sucking mode and basically deletes most pro-UA comments within a minute, lol....
Well done. I try to give something every month. In my case I donate for drones. Even if it is only 50 bucks per month, it is a start.
From Belgium: I paypal to Terra, Madyar (jagajaga, nanaaaa.. lol), also through the "french connection": Xavier Tytelman
UA-cam ought to be ashamed for restricting this video, or limiting its exposure. This should be required viewing for every American.
Unfortunately many people in the democratic world have no idea that Russian information warfare is a thing. It is everywhere but is almost never mentioned in the media. Education about this, how it works and what to look out for could be a good start.
Democracy in the West be like "Choose between Mussolini and Thatcher". Awesome.
We hear 24/7 about Russian bots but never about hasbara trolls, "manufacturing consent", the military media complex, Assange's solitary confinement isn't talked nearly as much as Navalny's Siberian vacation, etc.
But I should fight for these corrupt oligarchs because Ukraine is somehow important and not just another Eastern European 💩hole.
heard about the demonetization due likely to Russian trolls reporting you, so sent you some superthanks. Keep up the excellent videos.
Watched it again and shared to increase visibility. Blocking all youtube ads for 30 days. Good job youtube!
From Belgium: thank you Anders ! The new quote is:"Navalny sacrificed himself for the Russian people; putin sacrificed the Russian people for himself."
Navalniy was a non factor among ordinary Russians.
@@mitchyoung93typical troll comment that doesn’t address the truth of the quote above.
@@Ukie88obvious troll sounds like an attempt to deflect/misdirect attention 😂
'Many of you are going to die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make'-Lord Farquaad/Putin
@@DS8G10 Yes, Pootin really said that. I have the footage bookmarked somewhere. I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it myself.
Thanks for sticking with it despite UA-cam siding with the trolls. You add clarity, and that's what keeps your real audience coming back
Thank you. I am glad to hear that.
Always a pleasure to watch your Videos. Your way of thinking is many steps further than the most sleepy politicians and all these " usefull idiots" . Thanks a lot.
Greetings from Germany
A bald homosexual propagandist decided to fight Russia? Ahaha!!!
Useful idiots with Aaron Maté and Katie Harper.
people like you learn too much, seeing this periodistic duo.
The most useful idiots on earth are those who "think" like you.. Sorry, but this is a fact, not an assumption! 🤣
Your country is actively supporting a genocide in Gaza. Whatever you say on Ukraine is hypocrisy to the max.
Making a point to watch this due to it being demonetized, because that means it’s something that the Kremlin doesn’t want us to know.
Thanks!
Thanks
Thank you Anders!
Thanks for the great work!
Such an important discussion to have!
The information war against our corrupt system? Before pointing fingers, let's make sure it's not brown with 💩
Thanks for the notice Anders. I had no clue this was demonetized.
Du giver som sædvanligt fine analyser af den militære og politiske situation. Tak for det😊
Mr Nielsen, iso very much enjoy and respect your shared knowledge and perspectives! Thank you. 😊 ❤
Hey Anders wish you well. I have a burning question that I can't stop thinking about, is it inconceivable to believe Putin was behind 9/11 especially since the links to terrorism. I E Houthis Hama's Hezbollah Iran plus Stan countries 1000% increase goods from west avoiding sanctions.
A Dane, on a hill! Don't you people get vertigo at 200 metre altitude? Thanks for the great work Anders.
Don't worry, no hill in Denmark is above 200m from sea level :D
@@Klaspers Ah but the Realm....
A Dane on a hill, probably no a Danish hill. Looks more like central Germany.
@@traumflug There is plenty of places in Denmark that look like this, so it is probably in Denmark given that Anders are Danish, but yes, Germany is also a possibility.
@@Kris_Lighthawk The place looks familiar to me but it could be a hundred different places in Denmark. There's no special landmark to see so only a local would recognise it. I have found such places in Ukraine using Google Maps, it is possible but can take hours or days. In this case it's not important enough for the effort.
Anders Nielsen, Perun and William Spaniel; the holy trinity of information on Ukraine.
Also Reporting from Ukraine and Ukraine matters.
@@jean-michelvanpruyssen936”Military and history” is also good.
Ukraine matters are way way too self promoting to my taste, “i know better, what did I tell you” just the fact is 95% of what he tell/explain never happens, and the 5% that came trough, he spend the next 45min on.
_Russia-Ukraine Summarized Map Updates_ is a fantastic channel on the war. It has two-minute videos packed with detailed war info. Can't be beat.
@@jean-michelvanpruyssen936 I blocked both, because it is a lot of waffling about how the Ukraine (who I support) is always tricking and winning over those dastardly Russians (who really should get rid of Putin). They're not objective. And while they try to be factual, they also fail at that.
If I can't trust that someone is objective or factual, then their value is lost to me.
Vlad Vexler's main channel is also very good.
Thanks so much Anders. You're doing a service to the world. A really great, unique idea from a stronger thinker.
Western governments: sorry... What strategy against Russia?
UA-camrs: So here is the step-by-step strategy.
If only the russian army could fight as well as the russian bots think they can. Russia is a joke military at this point lol
Anders isn't a "youtuber", he's a researcher and analyst at the Royal Danish Defence College...
I realized that 😂 UA-cam investigators / journalist pay attention to global politics and economics more than the governments do.
@@SLENDAMANNAnd he is also a youtuber.
@@dpelpal It is a bad joke then, becase a good joke would not repeat.
No matter how the matter is put, Russia remains a problem.
Thank you, I didn’t know there were so many decent Chanel’s from Russia.
Obrigado!
Thanks
Thank you.
Very important information given here as always. Thanks!
Brilliant information.
Did you mean "misinformation"?
Ah... one of the mentioned dark actors is around here, using the negative way. Good luck, r__x, in this community, you will probably find no one on which this works.
🇺🇦 Все Буде України! 🇺🇦
@@renx81 You are the one who is misinformed Ivan! Hope you enjoy your free speech in Moscow!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha one more potato please @renx81
Excellent video, there is nothing in it that would justify a limit on the monetization!
Thanks, Puck; I just rewatched after you posted about this video being demonetised. There’s clearly nothing hostile in the video and discussion, but I can see why this particular video would be one that the FSB would like banned. ❤
I can see why the russians would want to ban this video. Very eye opening to a simple citizen like me 👍
100%
The most powerful response to authoritarian lies is the truth. Most the Germans in the DDR watched West German TV. Voice of America and similar transmitters simply presented the same news and programming as regular western TV. THIS WAS VERY POWERFUL. I lived in Bulgaria afterwards and they were very moved by the western information they received. Most had some kind of green house on their balconies and used the metal frame as an aerial.
I agree. The truth. When the "free and democratic" West is going to talk about Gonzalo Lira - tortured and killed in Ukraine's prison for speaking the truth? When Julian Assange will be freed for speaking the truth? Or "the truth" is the truth only when it plays in West's advantage? When the truth about Covid-19 terror is Europe is going to be discussed, as governments were forced to buy vaccines in the hundreds of billions of dollars? When the truth about over 30,000 Palestinians killed in Gaza in few months will be front and center in MSM, and Israel sanctions proportionally?
I think Russians are well aware of Western propaganda and the last time we tried to "help them" in the 90s, it led to the collapse of the Russian economy, the destruction of the fabric of society and the rise of Putin. We had our chance with Russia, we wasted it with the neoliberal shock therapy.
Love your content and your unique points of views. I am learning a lot!
I check every day to see if you have generated any new content. I find your thought-provoking, respectful approach very refreshing.
he thinks and move the hands like Ursula von der Lyen.
Engaging without insults and vulgarity helps serious people take you seriously. Which is why I like Ander's approach. It is respectful, and not just mudslinging.@@skodbruger5344
Takk!
A Russian YT channel that is an abselute goldmine is 1420 by Daniil Orain. Its a small team of Russians who is against Russian imperialism just walking around making surveys on hard hitting questions. Its saddening since its a window into the state of Russia. Sometimes they get a firebrand, but usually people tend to either support the war regardless of the insane casualties against "a brother nation" or they show complete apathy stating that politics isnt for regular citizents.
Useful for a western audience, yes. And to be consumed with a sizeable grain of salt. People on the street are still threatened by Putin's regime, so they talk only in a way which doesn't get them into prison.
Yes have seen it and marvel that they can still operate, very brave of them to run their channel.
@@tangfors They are clever with the positioning of their questions, to avoid crossing lines that will get them in trouble. I have still wondered why they have not been 'noticed' and I have to conclude that the authorities probably just don't want to draw attention to it. Or alternatively, maybe it's even a Putin sanctioned psyop, because it constantly highlights just how sacred most Russians are to express themselves openly, as if to show those who do dare to speak out that they will be on their own.
Thanks for posting this. Was just about to do so myself.
Saying something agains war is a crime in Russia. Thus, if you try to ask any Russian on the street, you'll get wrong answer, because most of the people would think you are a government agent, trying to catch more people, imprison them and thus get promoted.
Yes Anders! You make a really good point. When the Navalny memorial processions began and videos of them started on UA-cam some days ago, I was surprised at how many Russians wrote in saying they had just been there and how moved they had been. UA-cam has a giant reach. I agree that’s it’s vital to support these channels, especially the Russian speaking ones. I love Maxim Katz, TV Rain.
Excellent insight on how the information war is playing out, and who are the the most important in this battle space. Tks
Thank You.
Thank you so much for your insights, Anders. Please keep it up!
Thank you for your work.
It's important to fight russian desinformation and raise awareness of the information war.
I comment to support this channel.
Please do the same, people.
Thank you! I believe you are absolutely right.
Happy to see a video on this - I think this needs to be much more on people's mind in the election year 2024!
Very true. You don't defeat your enemy by becoming your enemy.
Almost as excited as Sunday morning when Perun drops a slideshow
Boss: Today we're going to watch an hour long slide show presentation.
Me: FML! Just drag me out behind chemical shed to be shot.
Perun: Today you're going to watch an hour long slide show presentation.
Me: Gimme five minutes Mr. Perun, and I'll be right there! I need fresh coffee, a sandwich and some cookies to be able to give you my full undivided attention, without blinking even once, for the full duration.
@@andersjjensen 👏 💯%
@@andersjjensenBars
@@andersjjensenbrilliant. Thank you. I’m glad I’m not the only one!
Love the way you break down things and inform in these videos. I didn't even realise they had access to uncensored youtube.
I really appreciate your insightful takes on these important topics, Anders. Thanks for doing what you do! 👍
In my Reddit arguments with Pro-Russian people, they often don't like anything I link to from western media sources but none of them have figured out an argument when I link to a source from Al Jazeera
😂 russians think only the west are liars but when a qatari media says the truth their minds can’t handle it
Because most western media are Ukrainian ally channels and they have been lying to you for decades.
I believe it was a Peskov interview by al Jazeera from '22 that quoted the 'Kyiv in 3 days...' inner circle officially but I can't find it..!
@@davefave4351 I just need some sort of proof that's all
@@davefave4351 I believe it was a quote from a Russian General who was improved early in the war. I remember his picture but can't remember his name. Maybe Rezantsev?
Excellent and factual analysis - as always 👍🏽
I think that we should apply this same approach internally.
Thank you
As always Anders, you make enormous sense. Many thanks.
Thank you for helping us understand things that are happening. Your work is really valuable and important ❤ 🇬🇧
Your country is supporting a genocide. Cut the BS.
As always interesting and insightful 😊
Beautiful! Finally some genuine common sense, goodness, and pragmatic ethics and morality regarding ideology, information warfare, and the infosphere. Measured, mature, objective, coherent. Thank you!
@@amalia_ag Russian propaganda has been seeking to brainwash millions around the globe for over a century. Enough.
Unless he adresses the only war that matters (class war), he's just promoting propaganda for a useless war.
A clear standpoint, informing the russians via youtube, as you described, Seems like a practical a feasable solution to counter the disinformation. At the same time the West ( i live in België ) should also be fully informed of the gravity of the current situation in Ukraine.
Thanks for the very insightful video as usual
Russia has campaigns of " Ideological Subversion " in western countries for decades. The open social media platforms have accelerated their spread of disinformation. Thanks for your insightful advice on how to have a positive influence by supporting good truthful Russian YT content providers. "Don't Give up!" Alexei Navalnay
As if the US or Israel didn't have the same programs. We see it live, about how the genocide in Gaza is hidden.
Such good and useful content. Thanks.
Keep going mate...you have my support.
I was not aware of the many Russian UA-cam channels that try to offer a balanced view of the world. Thank you for sharing this information Andres
Real, actionable, strategy! Thank you for this. I hope Congress is watching.
This video had great content and ideas I never heard before. I am sorry to hear about the demonetisation. We're with you! And should the time come to follow people of this quality of content in another video app, we'll do so. I'll do so.
UA-cam should be more careful in demonetisation of real content for its own sake.
Always looking forward to your videos!
Congrats on 150K+ subscribers, Anders!!!
Nice work. Thanks for keeping it real.
Grear clip! Many thanks!
10:25 - correction. The Duma had approved the bill in February; the Federation council did the same on March 6.
I think it's a great idea! Hopefully our leader either know or this video will become big enough for enough to notice and reach our decision makers, either directly or from pressure from below!
In short: commenting in order to hopefully please the algorithm :b
If a government needs to check out videos on youtube to make state level decisions and strategies, that country is fucked really up mate
Thank you!
I like Vlad Vexler's channels and have learned lots from him. Vlad has repeatedly talked about the need to "politicize" Russians and Russia but I can't remember him ever saying how that might be done, but perhaps I've just missed it. Anders' suggestions seem practical and useful. I'm relieved to hear some tangible strategies that could be implemented and amplified towards that end.
I used to be subscribed to Vlad Vexler, but I unsubscribed when I realised that he has a lot to say, but doesn't actually say anything. He's a philosopher, not a political analyst.
@@Clintarella Ya I get that for sure. I'm a bit fed up with his wordiness and rambling style myself. I did think he provided some insight into the situation inside Russia but then wondered what his sources are, how well connected is he?? It's also weird how slavishly devoted some folks are in his comments. "Oh Vald without your intellectual guidance I'd not be able to dress myself in the morning. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!" Hahaha Anyway it's good to listen to different voices so I'll continue to watch his stuff from time to time. Cheers.
@@dlmsarge8329Agreed, I like his insights into Russian thinking but wish his Ytbe 'Community' posts were less obtuse and cautiously worded, they're occasionally impossible to understand. And I agree with his take that we'd be wise to politicise the Russian population but yep, I've yet to hear and ideas from him as to how to do that, which would be productive.
Did Americans ever politicize themselves to the point of overthrowing Bush?
Anders you are awesome!
This question has been on my mind a lot lately. Perfect timing!
The line from Upton Sinclair, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it," applies here. But in the case of Russian trolls, the situation may be that their lives also depend on speaking with Putin's voice.
The true information that we need to provide them is one defeat after another that the Ukrainians administer to them with our aid.
I feel this is far too optimistic about how Russians can be affected by being told the truth. Sadly politicizing the Russian populace requires freezing, starving or having enough of their fathers and brothers be KIA.
They care about whether their sons and husbands will get conscripted, kept on rotation longer than they are supposed to, not paid wage arrears when killed, how their taxes are appropriated by state officials for personal gain whilst soldiers die for shoddy equipment which corrupt officials sold the parts from...
@@ThePurplePassage if they did care, the war wouldn't be so miserable for russians.
@@sashasimkin I think yoy've misunderstood me. I was talking about the general Russian population caring about Russian politics, not whether the current Russian govt cares about the population (to which I would agree with you that they do not)
I wonder if spreading doubt even with obvious lies like “Belgium exists largely ‘thanks to Russia” is a sign of desperation from Putin.
Sign of madness probably. He got used to saying whatever comes to his increasingly confused mind without being questioned.
Nah, that is just desperation of the Netherlands. 🤪
Ik, such a stupid statement
"Belgium exists."
What kind of moron would say such a thing when we all know the contrary.
When I heard it, I was like "WTF is he talking about?", but, to be honest, I didn't wait for the explanation. Garbled nonsense from the Gerontotsar is a waste of time. 😁
Who cares if Belgium exists because of Russia it's Belgium!
Heh Anders. This is a great informative blog.
You have an awesome skill to think, talk and argue with such clarity, it is so refreshing to listen to.
Thanks! Knowledge is power. Thanks for helping me understand Russia in a way that no other source does.
Im just gonna comment for reach before even watching
Some useful abstract nouns to help identify the purposes and effects of information warfare:
Hatred
Despair
Confusion
Chaos
Boredom
Distraction
and so on and so forth
Best on youtube
Thanks Anders for giving information we can use in this world of misinformation. 💛
Very well put. Best regards from Portugal
thanks anders, your videos are always very interesting
Great work my friend
commenting for the algorithm
You really know what you're talking about, I lived and worked in Russia for 5 years and you are spot on about the information climate there and the way people have been conditioned to distrust almost every source of information, and the way that leads to conspiracies and untruths becoming fairly widespread but then also disappearing equally quickly sometimes. I'm not impressed by Western efforts to influence the information space there, as you say, it seems to mostly be Russian expats who provide the best and most trusted channels which wield the most influence.
Welldone Anders one of the most important videos delivered on the Ukranian conflict thus far.
I've subscibed to Max's channel. The other three don't offer subtitles to non-russian speakers (unfortunately). Thanks for the tip.
The automated UA-cam subtitles may not be perfect but they are good enough to understand the channel
@@SarahMould On Max's video I watched they were excellent to about 3/4 way through but then disappeared. I don't know why.
I found the Russian subtitles can be changed to English in the auto translate section of the settings
With a bit of mucking around, you can send the audio feed from youtube to the microphone input of google translate - if you're sufficiently keen, it does the job.
Informative, useful and encouraging - as always. Thanks Anders.
Good suggestion. Funding these UA-cam channels is such a sensible idea, one hpoes some Western government will do it.
Logical thinking, a clear explanation, and leadership. Thank you, Mr. Nielsen.
Excellent ‘couple of thoughts’. Thanks.
I am now inclined to go ahead and financially support the few channels that you suggested, as we maybe should all do.
HOWEVER, it feels weird and a bit wrong to support channels that I don’t understand: I don’t speak russian. I have no idea what they say (I quickly browsed a few).
Here is my suggestion: let’s all go on their channels and send them this feedback: provide subtitles in English.
I can see how it might be a problem, though:
- more work, more cost, more difficult
- it might make the channels look like foreign propaganda in the eyes of the Russian public.
Any thoughts about that?
How to be practical instead of theoretical and try to help them out.
Correction: Max Catz is providing subtitles. Good. It’s quite a bit of work to follow, though 😁 … I’m used to listen to UA-cam while I do other things.
Top notch as always. Thank you
This is _phenomenal_ information to have. I instantly subscribed to all four people you linked in the discription!
Thank you.
Thanks for that. I already watch Maxim Katz but will check out the others you recommend and subscribe to them.
Also important to tell the Russians about the way they are treating their own soldiers
most of the soldiers on russian side are eastern ukrainans or siberian troops. White western russians dont care about those groups at all. Only way for them to care is have general concript and force everyone to go to MZ of SMO. Currently 1.5m make military service each year but the ukrainan force is about 300k with 300k reserve. So 1.2 m normal russians dont even serve in ukraibe area. Also russians have a much tougher way to look at life and death. Try walking ateaight into a big guy in moscow and se e whut happens...
@@mikael5938 There are still big guys in russia? I would have thought that these would be brought to Ukraine first so that two little guys could hide behind them. 😉
I suspect the soldiers are pretty aware of the situation. All it takes is a critical mass of resentment - like 1917.
@@mikael5938eastern Ukrainians?
@@robderich8533clever
Wow, thanks for the great point around misinformation to cause confusion, resignation, apathy, apoliticization or fuel for conspiracies. It feels extremely important and a great way to attack us.
Trouble is, the Russian bots are profiting from western governments lying to their own people and not giving a high value to truth, so eroding trust.
Jeg kan stadig se videoen ved at gå ind på kanalen og klikke på denne video, jeg opfordrer andre at lad videoen køre et par gange, forhåbentligt vil det påvirke algoritmen positivt.
Jeg er målløs over youtubes naivitet...
Fortsat det gode arbejde Anders!
Tænkte jeg ville gode det samme. God ide!
So do I, and Let it play.
Just got an advert,
and Let it play 😊.
Thank you Anders. I appreciate your authentic analysis 👍🏻🙏🏼.
Damaging facts should be put our there and we should give a platform to people like the Navalny types.
Information warfare is important, but remember:
Evil always wins in lies
Good wins through actions