@@ScottishRoss27Because the Scottish government (that is soon to change) made it so. You natsis supporters already know this but keep following the failing natsis party tactics of blaming Westminster for things three snp created.
Labour will implement conscription, which is worse. Leaked docs( see mp Andrew Bridgen) reveal our men not just 18 year olds, are being sent to Ukraine by the end of this year, early next year.
Not only 18 year olds. There are many organisations throughout the world which offer voluntary work from the age of 15 or so in areas such as agriculture, care, building or countryside restoration, and so on.
Who do these politicians think they are? I will not comply my kids are going nowhere near the military and they aren't mopping up the streets for no pay either!
Compulsory yet non mandatory. Classic doublespeak. Overtly meaningless but carries a hidden message. In this case “Vote Tory if you like war and general tub thumping".
Our future generations are facing a very unstable future and have enjoyed the freedoms the strong men of the past have won for them so would you not agree that in this era we have weaker men with no clue what is knocking at their door and should at least attend basic training to wake them up, strengthen them and discipline the gangs and offer future opportunities of trades within the forces? Think carefully about what you see in this country at street level. National service goes on in other countries and they are stronger.
How do you hold the parent to account for the actions of an 18 year old? 18 year olds are adults under the law! They arejust making this up as they go along.
It's how a social credit system works (plenty on UA-cam about the one in China, which is a model we've used). The lockdowns were a training exercise so that police got a sense of how to throw their power - even knowing what they were asked to do did not make sense and was detrimental to people's well being. None of "our" forces work for us. There is no left or right in politics, merely orders from up the Zionist ideology pyramid. Think you can imagine how low we are - our white races are being erased and reserved for "the elite race" only. Feed our kids into the proxy wars such as the Ukrainian, and all the illegal immigrants will do the breeding in Europe.
@@ScottishRoss27What it should do, then, is export more to its closest large neighbour(s) and in the circumstance that they are organised into a large trading bloc or, shall we say, a common market, then England should make every effort to join and be part of that. That’d just be common sense wouldn’t it…?
Conservatives lost my vote. I'm a parent. Yes, the world is a much more dangerous place. But you need to make young people WANT to join the military. When I was a boy, programmes on the Paras and the RM were inspirational. I'm not voting to send my kids to war or public service. I'm a former police officer. Knowing what that job did to my mental health, I wouldn't encourage my kids down that route either. Been a tory my while life. Not now.
I wouldn’t worry, this is just another fantasy idea just like their plan on increasing defence spending. A royal commission takes three to five years meaning this is purely red meat for the simple minded but it’s easy to announce utter fantasies when you know you’re not going to have to deliver them.
The same armed forces they have shrunk by 20 Percent from 191 thousand in April 2010 to 152 thousand in April 2023, according to their own annual armed forces personnel statistics
@@julielawlor5482Why are you expecting anyone's children to protect you? Are you not an adult? I'm sure your children will be on the front lines protecting sunak and Blairs children though eh
@@bernardedwards8461 It's not our kids fault that you spent 15 years of your life fighting for a ruling class, that hates the people of this nation and has ruined the country. Not to mention all the dead innocent civilians in foreign nations who could not defend themselves. What have these wars accomplished anyway??... Who has benefited from all this death and destruction? We're not cowards.. We're just to smart to fall for the okey doke and send our kids to the front lines.. To die for what.. Exactly??
Most 16 to 18 year old already have a job and are standing on their own two feet.are you going to take that job away from them to go and do unpaid work.what if they are living independently without parents.
I was an apprentice at the age of 18, on a very small wage. I used to work an extra Saturday every week to make sure I had enough to pay my mother suitable rent, to make sure I could still feed myself and run a car to get to work. If you told me back then after working 6 days a week that I would also work a Sunday! I wouldn't have had the energy or dive to finish my apprenticeship. So I worry for those younger people already in employment or have a family that this will be a responsibility too far.
Prosecuting an adult for the actions of another, independent adult. That seems reasonable ! Referred criminality should be rolled out more widely. Especially to Tories.
The Tories wanted to move towards a dictatorship, but they were that incompetent, selfish and divided that they made a complete hash of it And this matter of prosecuting an adult for what an adult child has or hasn't done is indicative of their mindset They're not all quite as far gone as Liz Truss, but they're all on her path to insanity
So basically the government will tell you what to do and if you don’t comply you’ll be imprisoned, this is what Rishi is saying and hope everyone understands this.
Let me think about this for a moment… nobody shoots at me in prison, I get cheap accommodation and no food/heating bills, there are no tuition fees and the job prospects when I get out will probably be just as good as when I went in… …It might be a vote-winner among young people after all!
this woman who is now too old, but was female when she was 18, that would never have been sent to go die for her country, thinks this is a great idea...
I used to think the same but I realised they just changed the wording so we feel better about ourselves…the meaning regardless of title never changed hence why even before the last 13 years, they play with our lives and face 0 consequences in their own
The Tory party are literal fascists, look at their record, weaken the courts, check, attempt to remove human rites, check, don’t like laws, change them, check. Provide an enemy for the people, check.
How can an adult be prosecuted for the actions of another adult, will never happen. But surely the billions being spent on this could be used to make the military a more attractive employer, better pay, conditions and equipment, maybe the young folk would then want to join.
This MP doesn't have enough autonomy to think for her self she needs to go back to Tory HQ for it to think for her even for things as logically obvious as this.
I've served 14 years (so far) and find this just absolutely ridiculous. For a lot of the roles in the armed forces (other than cannon fodder) it takes a lot of training to be capable of the job. Often over a year's worth of training. That's why there is a return to service minimum contract period. To actually be good at your job can take years of experience on top of that. How can it possibly make sense to flood the military with incapable, inexperienced 18 year olds who likely have no desire to be there or commit to the best interests of the military. This will only burden an already stretched thin military and will be nothing but counter productive. Tory political suicide. Absolute idiots.
Same with volunteering in the NHS. You need all kinds of health and safety training, confidentiality and data protection, DBS checks, you can't even mop a floor without specific domestic infection control training. These young people will be a hazard, hanging about like spare parts, they'll need babysitting by staff who are already pushed to their limits.
This is a totally brilliant policy. It is the motivation for every young person who is eligible to vote, to go out and vote tactically to get rid of this useless government.
Talk about dumb or dumber because that's what Rishi Sunak has done to himself, for every parent that can vote will vote for any political party, rather than his failing Tory party.
This. It's amazing how everyone who like the idea is everyone it won't affect 😂 they're so pathetic. Hold a poll, names and addresses supplied, everyone who thinks it's a good idea, sign them up.
As someone who is in my mid 50s and while I have grandchildren under 18 they luckily don't live in the UK. I really couldn't be more disgusted with this plan. As for parents being prosecuted, this genuine question are there any other circumstances parents can be prosecuted solely based on the actions of their offspring who are over 18? I would add when she talks about "when you talk to anyone that joined the military the found out something about themselves" .... She didn't speak to me.... I was in the RAF over 6 years... As someone who as gone on to fairly significant management roles, the one thing I learnt was from one specific officer pretty much how to not manage anyone, other than that honestly I think paying me to sit on a beach in Spain for 6 years would have taught me as much about myself and likely been cheaper.
All European countries will be under the same rules. The decisions are made higher up the Zionist pyramid. Have you heard of the Kalergi Plan? It's not a conspiracy it is happening right now and has been for decades.
I’ve forbidden mine too…let the rf and the elites fight their own battles. Our family defended the king in past bloody battles war of the roses and more…it’s stops here.
It's digusting because 18 year olds are already given a lower minimum wage. How are they supposed to afford to move away from abusive parents, raise children, etc?.... And as an Irish person from Belfast the British army isn't popular...
How can you prosecute parents of an adult what BS. People need to break the law. My child refused to stay in education at 16 there was nothing they could do
Freedoms we take from granted? Compulsory conscription for your "freedom" , our incredible communities,our incredible country !!!! God these people are so out of touch with how people are feeling.
She acts like this is providing opportunities when those opportunities already exist. op·por·tu·ni·ty: a set of circumstances that makes it possible to do something. She thinks forcing is an "opportunity. She should learn the English language.
@@samuelgarrod8327 "And you should learn how to use speech marks." I apologize for a typo and they are not "speech marks" they are called "quotation marks". So as you can see I know what they are how to use them.
Hey that's not fair. They are trying to ban the people they want to send to the battlefield from smoking. 'Cause the smoking law they want to introduce would only impact the people who would have to do this national service stuff.
@@bernardedwards8461 I know, and weirdly I knew the gentlemen who was the brain child behind the smoking policy due to previous work. I tailored my argument to the person I was replying to.
Parent prosecuted for their legally adult children not doing something? At what age will the parents be stopped from being legally liable for their children be changed to?
4:09 Er, no. I bet the VAST majority of young adults hearing about this proposal will be absolutely terrified! Who in their right mind wouldn't be terrified of their kids being sent to war!
@@Gileseypops Perhaps, but they'd need to be signed up for (much) longer - the RAF Initial Officer Training prior to learning any actual service branch is the shortest at 24 weeks at RAF Cranwell. The Royal Navy is similar, but 30 weeks at BRNC Dartmouth. The Army is 44 weeks at RMA Sandhurst. None of the services has the training capacity to put people through Officer training just for fun only for them to complete their 52 week compulsary duration and just leave. Without any officer *branch* training they'd only be basic soldiers with nicer hats anyhow.
At 82 I was overjoyed to miss Conscription in the 60's as my many friends, acquaintances and hundreds of workmates on the railways where I was a fireman. With one exception but against him two young men I knew had gone on the Lam to avoid conscription. The US military said a year or more ago the UK Armed forces are no longer a serious force. So that was under the Tories. Labour put 2.5% into our armed forces the Tories 2% or less. This is what the Tories are trying to cover up.
The army went from 113k in 2010 to now 72k We've only got a purely defence force now. No way we can "project" power abroad like we did in Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq. Those all had roughly 40k from the army. Remembering at the time we also had 20k based in Germany.
Well rishi has successfully increased the number of people who are voting this election most 18 year olds don't want this a great way to get them voting.
18 year old are possibly already working their way through university. Why would they give up paid work to be forced to do unpaid voluntary work.how does that pay their accommodation and bills .
Admiral Alan West, former chief of the naval staff: "this idea is basically bonkers ..." Richard Dannatt, former chief of the general staff, "[the proposal is] electoral opportunism” Michael Portillo: “The way in which this policy has been produced worries me very much indeed. That is to say, I very much doubt whether it’s been thought through, and I doubt whether the armed services and all the charities that need to be involved have been consulted and are on board."
Surely a more pressing question would be considering that somebody reaching 18 has been through possibly 15years of education, why is the reactionary last ditch attempt necessary to knock/shock them into shape? It has an air of "well that clearly hasn't worked..." to it, which casts a far more concerning shadow over what's been than what's to come. Or is it because "they just didn't listen..."?
Will this include immigrants too? How can you expect anyone to fight for a country that doesn’t allow British nationalism, that considers any show of national identity to be racism.
All feels rather desperate doesnt it... the Tories are clearly out of road. Time for a change. Not sure Starmer's Labour Party represents that change but its a start.
Labour want national service also. These are orders from above not the ideas of our white collar workers. Labour's only argument was with regards to where the money was coming from. Bear in mind that the military industrial complex is receiving funding for billions by the monsters that make money from selling the bombs and other weaponry that kills innocent people, with the bonus of stealing natural resources (Rishi s father-in-law has recently received several contracts for the oil and gas that rightly belongs to Gaza - why wouldn't Rishi support Israel?). Starmer knows money is not an issue - it's an opportunity to make money!
I like how Rishi said it will look good on your UCAS application that you have done it. Well, if it is law, then all teens will be applying having done it. Therefore it is not a special addition to give a student an edge. Just an extra step to get admitted into University. National service, however, is just political self deletion. The Falklands were proof enough that a Professional Army is greater than a conscripted one.
Yes He is but I feel there's going to be a civil war in the UK 🇬🇧 if any prime minister pushing this country to WAR because it's suicide with Nuclear Weapons technology
Parental responsibility ends when the child is 18 (Children’s Act 1989). Presumably those 18 year olds will be able to defer if they go straight to University, will then leave with debt and then have to do their National Service. They literally wrote this policy on the back of an envelope.
Think they meaning no university untill you do your service .sounds like they are guiding them through their life with their arm up their backs.doesnt sound like voluntry
The "opportunity to volunteer" bit properly frames this as some function of a free and fair society. It sets the right tone. Facilitating opportunity sets the right tone. As soon as the word 'compulsion' is mentioned then eyes roll. The truth is that we just do not have sufficient trust and confidence amidst those who minister to our state in doing this in any other way save, perhaps, in the event of war with Russia or China and even then we do have to ask just what difference a bunch of 'entitled' and otherwise 'rights imbued' bunch of 18 -20 year olds is going to bring to our 'game'? Otherwise, there's qiote simply too many nods and winks and looking away taking place at high levels in our society (other countries 'straight up' with this sort of thing in terms of criminal conspiracy, racketeering or other forms of corruption) and otherwise 'lower down the food chain' we have too much 'viscious' and self interested executive decision making and this with varying degrees of reference to fact, law and evidence. In short, and as with Brexit, this will create more problems and issues than it resolves unless the design is to create a morally bankrupt and otherwise desperate and much ratcheted up authoritarian state? We properly otherwise need robust politics which work to respect and enhance and, where trespassed against, enforce our individual freedoms as a function of our democracy. Oh, and punishing one adult person for the crimes of another is the sort of nonsense talked up in North Korea. The Conservatives REALLY do want to lose this forthcoming election now don't they?
All branches of the armed forces are extremely technical today. No conscript could or would learn his job in one year, or even two. Of course, if you only want cannon fodder... (RAF 1963-1987)
Exactly! This is a grab for cannon fodder like in Ukraine. Sounds like it’s going to be on home soil too by the look of London Ireland and Sweden and Holland ect….it’s brewing here in Australia as well. Lots of knives swords and machetes being regularly used
I was an apprentice at the age of 18, on a very small wage. I used to work an extra Saturday every week to make sure I had enough to pay my mother suitable rent, to make sure I could still feed myself and run a car to get to work. If you told me back then after working 6 days a week that I would also work a Sunday! I wouldn't have had the energy or dive to finish my apprenticeship. So I worry for those younger people already in employment or have a family that this will be a responsibility too far.
So as a person unable to serve in military due to disability I am forced to volunteer without compensation. Seems discriminatory to only pay military service.
This comes after YouGov published figures that show 18-24 year olds that will definitely vote has rocketed. Of that cohort only 15% will vote Conservative. PS Mandatory volunteering is not "volunteering".
Just looked at the latest YouGov poll detailed PDF and 18-24 is 8% Con, 57% Lab, 14% Green, 10% Lib-Dem What it will do is spur them to get out and vote
Forcing 18 year olds to give up a weekend (alongside the already 5 days a week that they are working) to learn to become cannon fodder for rich people to send into wars. Nice one, Fishy Nutsak! A real vote-winner there.
The primary purpose of the armed forces is to train servicemen to operate weapons with the ultimate aim of killing people. In the event of a foreign war (e.g. Iraq / Afghanistan / Bosnia), young people signing up to what’s essentially being sold as a year’s well-being and fitness scheme, should be aware that once trained and with their year of service completed, they may the first be invited to serve alongside professional servicemen in a future war. The decision to sign up should not be taken lightly, even if the only alternative is doing something that appears less exciting in the local community.
So what Tory has a vested interest in the company who would be contracted to run this. Another easy £60 million to be made and of course their children would be exempt.
We're in UK from 14 years, I am OK with my EU settlement but was always planning to apply for my sons british passport when he is 16. Oh well not anymore..
I was in the army during the 80s training usually to defend against the Warsaw Pact No mention of conscription Tories get your coat and do one. In fact Sir Keir you do one too WEF drones
The medical examination that includes physical and mental fitness is gruelling, so if conscripts don't pass, then the military won't have them. Generally and I know this from dealing with them, a great many young people are just not fit enough to join the military, compulsory joining or otherwise. I doubt the Conservatives ever even considered that.
And the NHS don't let anybody onto the wards without weeks of training and induction, DBS checks, supervision by already overworked staff etc There's literally nothing untrained 18 yr olds could do of any use at the weekend as only inpatient facilities are open and without all of the above the only thing you're qualified to do is make coffee.
Everyone should stay in and not vote for ANYONE - Then what happens. People should realise by now that NON of them give a stuff about you or the country.
Don't be silly. That won't happen so you might as well at least use your vote to get them out. Otherwise you'd better not complain about what the next government does.
@@faithpearlgenied-a5517I will continue to complain because people need to wake up and realise your vote has no actual power, you're basically signing a permission slip for future treason.
@faithpearlgenied-a5517 Free to complain as much as one likes. Who are to tell people who don't vote that they aren't allowed to complain? Where does it say that in the rule book? 😂 Spoil your ballot with a message. Tell them what you REALLY think.
18 year olds are considered adults and independent of their parents... so how can the parents be held responsible ? Nonsensical.
16 in Scots Law, why should Scots Parents face prosecution 2 years before English ones?
@@ScottishRoss27Because the Scottish government (that is soon to change) made it so.
You natsis supporters already know this but keep following the failing natsis party tactics of blaming Westminster for things three snp created.
@@ScottishRoss27you have more to worry about than that up there. With your back door sharia laws 😂
@@ScottishRoss27Scott’s keep voting snp that’s why
Exactly
The Tories have just committed political suicide.
it's on purpose so Starmer has to deal with the war
Labour will implement conscription, which is worse. Leaked docs( see mp Andrew Bridgen) reveal our men not just 18 year olds, are being sent to Ukraine by the end of this year, early next year.
There is nothing they can do to win. National Service is a gimmick that will go nowhere…
They are already dead.
Why
rich boys need to learn they must start fighting ther own wars
Exactly. They want boots for meat grinder like Ukraine
Well actually that’s the point. National service would apply to politicians children as well eventually.
@@danielwhyatt3278yeah I bet they do exactly what the lower class kids do.
It gives 18 year olds "the opportunity to volunteer"
18 year olds have that now.
Not only 18 year olds. There are many organisations throughout the world which offer voluntary work from the age of 15 or so in areas such as agriculture, care, building or countryside restoration, and so on.
In the British Army there is or was an unwritten rule among the ranks, "never volunteer" .
Pure gaslighting.
@reasontruthandlogic They could volunteer anytime. No-one needs a compulsory national service system for that
Who do these politicians think they are?
I will not comply my kids are going nowhere near the military and they aren't mopping up the streets for no pay either!
And ur the reason they have to prosecute the parents LOL I hope ur one of the first examples
You've lost your mind.
@@theundernetwork-gaming4705How can they be the first examples for something that ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN 😂 delusional freak.
@@theundernetwork-gaming4705off to the front you go
@@faithpearlgenied-a5517 how?
So basically, it is unpaid, forced work for children of poor parents.
You won’t see silver spoon kids there!
Compulsory yet non mandatory. Classic doublespeak. Overtly meaningless but carries a hidden message. In this case “Vote Tory if you like war and general tub thumping".
@@proudpict2057 I'm sure some will buy places in the army volunteers.
Our future generations are facing a very unstable future and have enjoyed the freedoms the strong men of the past have won for them so would you not agree that in this era we have weaker men with no clue what is knocking at their door and should at least attend basic training to wake them up, strengthen them and discipline the gangs and offer future opportunities of trades within the forces? Think carefully about what you see in this country at street level. National service goes on in other countries and they are stronger.
Forced cannon fodder!
How do you hold the parent to account for the actions of an 18 year old? 18 year olds are adults under the law! They arejust making this up as they go along.
16 in Scots Law, Why should Scots Parents face prosecution 2 years before English ones?
@GavlarZ
How is England's Government going to prosecute Scots Parents as English law doesn't apply here?
The tories making it up as they go along?! … no surely not!
If it doesn't apply to you, why are you complaining? You sound like a bot. @@ScottishRoss27
It's how a social credit system works (plenty on UA-cam about the one in China, which is a model we've used). The lockdowns were a training exercise so that police got a sense of how to throw their power - even knowing what they were asked to do did not make sense and was detrimental to people's well being. None of "our" forces work for us. There is no left or right in politics, merely orders from up the Zionist ideology pyramid. Think you can imagine how low we are - our white races are being erased and reserved for "the elite race" only. Feed our kids into the proxy wars such as the Ukrainian, and all the illegal immigrants will do the breeding in Europe.
Politician’s kids first!
Why not create proper well paid jobs?
They just did, for them
England has one of the worlds worst trade deficits in goods ie imports more it exports
@@ScottishRoss27What it should do, then, is export more to its closest large neighbour(s) and in the circumstance that they are organised into a large trading bloc or, shall we say, a common market, then England should make every effort to join and be part of that. That’d just be common sense wouldn’t it…?
@@jamesmorss9940you don't know what VOLUNTEER means.
Volunteers at charity shops for example, only get their bus fares paid.
why should the government be responsible for job creation?
Conservatives lost my vote. I'm a parent.
Yes, the world is a much more dangerous place. But you need to make young people WANT to join the military.
When I was a boy, programmes on the Paras and the RM were inspirational.
I'm not voting to send my kids to war or public service.
I'm a former police officer. Knowing what that job did to my mental health, I wouldn't encourage my kids down that route either.
Been a tory my while life. Not now.
You were going to vote for them before this? Are you mad?
Unreal you took this long to come to this conclusion
I wouldn’t worry, this is just another fantasy idea just like their plan on increasing defence spending. A royal commission takes three to five years meaning this is purely red meat for the simple minded but it’s easy to announce utter fantasies when you know you’re not going to have to deliver them.
@@medievelknevil8716 be careful you don't swing my vote back....
The same armed forces they have shrunk by 20 Percent from 191 thousand in April 2010 to 152 thousand in April 2023, according to their own annual armed forces personnel statistics
Lock me up then I am not forcing my boys and my daughter to do it if they don't want to do sunak can bog off
No you want other people's children to protect you and your family. Shame on you
@@Sunrise9696-v2zI bet you’re jabbed & wore a mask.
Exactly you want everyone elses children to protect you and your children
@@julielawlor5482 will your children be ‘volunteering’?
@@julielawlor5482Why are you expecting anyone's children to protect you? Are you not an adult? I'm sure your children will be on the front lines protecting sunak and Blairs children though eh
So... Hand over our children to the front line/meat grinder or go to prison??... Just sick.
You cowardly youngsters would have OAPs man the army if you could, shame on you! I served 15 years in the infantry, so I've done my bit.
@@bernardedwards8461 It's not our kids fault that you spent 15 years of your life fighting for a ruling class, that hates the people of this nation and has ruined the country. Not to mention all the dead innocent civilians in foreign nations who could not defend themselves. What have these wars accomplished anyway??... Who has benefited from all this death and destruction? We're not cowards.. We're just to smart to fall for the okey doke and send our kids to the front lines.. To die for what.. Exactly??
@@bernardedwards8461was you forced to do so ?
How is it volunteering if it's mandatory?
Correct
How is it volunteering with threat of prosecution?
It's a contradiction isn't it.most 16 to 18 year old already have a job.
Most 16 to 18 year old already have a job and are standing on their own two feet.are you going to take that job away from them to go and do unpaid work.what if they are living independently without parents.
I was an apprentice at the age of 18, on a very small wage. I used to work an extra Saturday every week to make sure I had enough to pay my mother suitable rent, to make sure I could still feed myself and run a car to get to work. If you told me back then after working 6 days a week that I would also work a Sunday! I wouldn't have had the energy or dive to finish my apprenticeship. So I worry for those younger people already in employment or have a family that this will be a responsibility too far.
Prosecuting an adult for the actions of another, independent adult. That seems reasonable !
Referred criminality should be rolled out more widely. Especially to Tories.
The Tories wanted to move towards a dictatorship, but they were that incompetent, selfish and divided that they made a complete hash of it
And this matter of prosecuting an adult for what an adult child has or hasn't done is indicative of their mindset
They're not all quite as far gone as Liz Truss, but they're all on her path to insanity
So basically the government will tell you what to do and if you don’t comply you’ll be imprisoned, this is what Rishi is saying and hope everyone understands this.
Let me think about this for a moment… nobody shoots at me in prison, I get cheap accommodation and no food/heating bills, there are no tuition fees and the job prospects when I get out will probably be just as good as when I went in…
…It might be a vote-winner among young people after all!
Where are the prison placements for them anyway ? Planet zogg ?
Nothing new in that.
this woman who is now too old, but was female when she was 18, that would never have been sent to go die for her country, thinks this is a great idea...
Get lost. There’s no way I’m gonna let my teens attend. Not helping warmongers ! Not gonna help this country at all
Banning them from smoking but expect them to defend you 😂😂😂😂
Somebody needs to tell them, they are our servants, not our lords and masters.
I used to think the same but I realised they just changed the wording so we feel better about ourselves…the meaning regardless of title never changed hence why even before the last 13 years, they play with our lives and face 0 consequences in their own
The Tory party are literal fascists, look at their record, weaken the courts, check, attempt to remove human rites, check, don’t like laws, change them, check. Provide an enemy for the people, check.
Touchy subject for Wokers...
I have absolutely no clue who this woman is and care even less what she thinks
My children will not join the army. End of
What if they want to?
Who is going to defend Ukraine ? Or fight in Iraq, Syria or whatever other corner of the world the boys in Westminister decide needs "saving" ?
You want others children to protect your family. Shame on you
@@iaf010Neocons having a party knowing more kids are being sent to the meat grinder. Kerching !!
@neelamacwan7670 You can send your kids,every single one of them, whether they want to or not! Problem solved, Neelam!
How can an adult be prosecuted for the actions of another adult, will never happen.
But surely the billions being spent on this could be used to make the military a more attractive employer, better pay, conditions and equipment, maybe the young folk would then want to join.
This MP doesn't have enough autonomy to think for her self she needs to go back to Tory HQ for it to think for her even for things as logically obvious as this.
What a ridiculous person. All the charisma and wit of a gravel yoghurt.
Correction.
A small gravel yoghurt.
Nobody will fight fir their country because it isn't ours the boats have seen to that.
You’re too kind😂
I've served 14 years (so far) and find this just absolutely ridiculous. For a lot of the roles in the armed forces (other than cannon fodder) it takes a lot of training to be capable of the job. Often over a year's worth of training. That's why there is a return to service minimum contract period. To actually be good at your job can take years of experience on top of that. How can it possibly make sense to flood the military with incapable, inexperienced 18 year olds who likely have no desire to be there or commit to the best interests of the military. This will only burden an already stretched thin military and will be nothing but counter productive. Tory political suicide. Absolute idiots.
Same with volunteering in the NHS. You need all kinds of health and safety training, confidentiality and data protection, DBS checks, you can't even mop a floor without specific domestic infection control training. These young people will be a hazard, hanging about like spare parts, they'll need babysitting by staff who are already pushed to their limits.
This is a totally brilliant policy. It is the motivation for every young person who is eligible to vote, to go out and vote tactically to get rid of this useless government.
So all those inner-city youths will be able to learn how to use their guns and knives properly, great idea.
That's not the issue here. The small minority of kids like that already DO know how to use their weapons ffs.
At this stage it has got me thinking that the Tories are worried that they will get too many seats.
Sunak not parents needs prosecuting…….corrupt criminal
Talk about dumb or dumber because that's what Rishi Sunak has done to himself, for every parent that can vote will vote for any political party, rather than his failing Tory party.
tbh i think we should send the torys to do a whole year of training before people send their own kids
All those who support it, must also volunteer
This. It's amazing how everyone who like the idea is everyone it won't affect 😂 they're so pathetic. Hold a poll, names and addresses supplied, everyone who thinks it's a good idea, sign them up.
As someone who is in my mid 50s and while I have grandchildren under 18 they luckily don't live in the UK. I really couldn't be more disgusted with this plan. As for parents being prosecuted, this genuine question are there any other circumstances parents can be prosecuted solely based on the actions of their offspring who are over 18?
I would add when she talks about "when you talk to anyone that joined the military the found out something about themselves" .... She didn't speak to me.... I was in the RAF over 6 years... As someone who as gone on to fairly significant management roles, the one thing I learnt was from one specific officer pretty much how to not manage anyone, other than that honestly I think paying me to sit on a beach in Spain for 6 years would have taught me as much about myself and likely been cheaper.
Hopefully the idiot just messed up again and will be gone in the next elections.
I think he is oppressive.
This is a hateful regime.
All European countries will be under the same rules. The decisions are made higher up the Zionist pyramid. Have you heard of the Kalergi Plan? It's not a conspiracy it is happening right now and has been for decades.
War is a racket. Let the elite fight their own battles. My sons wont be fighting .
I’ve forbidden mine too…let the rf and the elites fight their own battles. Our family defended the king in past bloody battles war of the roses and more…it’s stops here.
So you’re going to prosecute an adult (parent) because another adult (18 YO) doesn’t attend? Parental responsibility ended at 18. Rishi is such a bell
You missed "end"
It's digusting because 18 year olds are already given a lower minimum wage. How are they supposed to afford to move away from abusive parents, raise children, etc?.... And as an Irish person from Belfast the British army isn't popular...
How can you prosecute parents of an adult what BS. People need to break the law. My child refused to stay in education at 16 there was nothing they could do
Good. It was ridiculous them making 18 year old adults stay in school. What they're doing now is completely unhinged.
Freedoms we take from granted? Compulsory conscription for your "freedom" , our incredible communities,our incredible country !!!! God these people are so out of touch with how people are feeling.
Not a Country
She acts like this is providing opportunities when those opportunities already exist.
op·por·tu·ni·ty: a set of circumstances that makes it possible to do something.
She thinks forcing is an "opportunity. She should learn the English language.
And you should learn how to use speech marks.
She's a trained unthinking robot like the rest.
@@samuelgarrod8327oh no, they missed 1 speech mark. It couldn't possibly be a typo and must be that they don't know how they work 😟
@@samuelgarrod8327you understood the comment though didn't you? Lol
@@samuelgarrod8327 "And you should learn how to use speech marks."
I apologize for a typo and they are not "speech marks" they are called "quotation marks". So as you can see I know what they are how to use them.
They’re trying to ban adults smoking and want kids on the battlefield. *PRIORITIES.*
Hey that's not fair.
They are trying to ban the people they want to send to the battlefield from smoking.
'Cause the smoking law they want to introduce would only impact the people who would have to do this national service stuff.
@@TheBT Smoking is more dangerous than national service and kills or injures far more people.
@@bernardedwards8461 I know, and weirdly I knew the gentlemen who was the brain child behind the smoking policy due to previous work.
I tailored my argument to the person I was replying to.
Is she saying 16 to 18 year olds will not be allowed to take a paid job.but instead be forced to accept unpaid eork called voluntary
I could’ve sworn unpaid mandatory work with the threat of punishment is slavery
Called slavery.
The armed forces have already said they cannot train or cope with national service.
I cannot believe what this woman is saying how is she allowed a platform, far far right, far far gone
Parent prosecuted for their legally adult children not doing something?
At what age will the parents be stopped from being legally liable for their children be changed to?
If they read this they will move this service to 17 years old! 😂
Prosecute if he wants a revolution..
We are about 50 years overdue for a revolution
This isn’t France 🇫🇷
4:09
Er, no.
I bet the VAST majority of young adults hearing about this proposal will be absolutely terrified!
Who in their right mind wouldn't be terrified of their kids being sent to war!
Let him send his own kids first.
Itchy Sack, the bloke who would get blisters from moving the office furniture around wants to look tough eh?
Tell you what - you can force my daughters into the armed forces after every Eton attendee and Tory party member has already signed up.
The Eton and Tory lot would be signed up as officers though...
@@Gileseypops Perhaps, but they'd need to be signed up for (much) longer - the RAF Initial Officer Training prior to learning any actual service branch is the shortest at 24 weeks at RAF Cranwell. The Royal Navy is similar, but 30 weeks at BRNC Dartmouth. The Army is 44 weeks at RMA Sandhurst. None of the services has the training capacity to put people through Officer training just for fun only for them to complete their 52 week compulsary duration and just leave. Without any officer *branch* training they'd only be basic soldiers with nicer hats anyhow.
They'll get volunteer roles at state homes and museums whilst everyone else is litter picking or cleaning police cars.
At 82 I was overjoyed to miss Conscription in the 60's as my many friends, acquaintances and hundreds of workmates on the railways where I was a fireman. With one exception but against him two young men I knew had gone on the Lam to avoid conscription. The US military said a year or more ago the UK Armed forces are no longer a serious force. So that was under the Tories. Labour put 2.5% into our armed forces the Tories 2% or less. This is what the Tories are trying to cover up.
The army went from 113k in 2010 to now 72k We've only got a purely defence force now. No way we can "project" power abroad like we did in Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq. Those all had roughly 40k from the army. Remembering at the time we also had 20k based in Germany.
Well rishi has successfully increased the number of people who are voting this election most 18 year olds don't want this a great way to get them voting.
Our politicians are idiots!
18 year old are possibly already working their way through university. Why would they give up paid work to be forced to do unpaid voluntary work.how does that pay their accommodation and bills .
Admiral Alan West, former chief of the naval staff: "this idea is basically bonkers ..."
Richard Dannatt, former chief of the general staff, "[the proposal is] electoral opportunism”
Michael Portillo: “The way in which this policy has been produced worries me very much indeed. That is to say, I very much doubt whether it’s been thought through, and I doubt whether the armed services and all the charities that need to be involved have been consulted and are on board."
I'm expecting Ant and Dec to step out giggling. This is such a 'jumping the shark' policy it's jaw dropping.
It's 24 hours to save the pound.
What planet did she beam down from 😂😂😂 she has lost her marbles 😂😂😂😂
There is no option or choice if there exists legislation to enforce compliance !
Surely a more pressing question would be considering that somebody reaching 18 has been through possibly 15years of education, why is the reactionary last ditch attempt necessary to knock/shock them into shape? It has an air of "well that clearly hasn't worked..." to it, which casts a far more concerning shadow over what's been than what's to come. Or is it because "they just didn't listen..."?
Will this include immigrants too? How can you expect anyone to fight for a country that doesn’t allow British nationalism, that considers any show of national identity to be racism.
All feels rather desperate doesnt it... the Tories are clearly out of road. Time for a change. Not sure Starmer's Labour Party represents that change but its a start.
Labour want national service also. These are orders from above not the ideas of our white collar workers. Labour's only argument was with regards to where the money was coming from. Bear in mind that the military industrial complex is receiving funding for billions by the monsters that make money from selling the bombs and other weaponry that kills innocent people, with the bonus of stealing natural resources (Rishi s father-in-law has recently received several contracts for the oil and gas that rightly belongs to Gaza - why wouldn't Rishi support Israel?). Starmer knows money is not an issue - it's an opportunity to make money!
I like how Rishi said it will look good on your UCAS application that you have done it. Well, if it is law, then all teens will be applying having done it. Therefore it is not a special addition to give a student an edge. Just an extra step to get admitted into University. National service, however, is just political self deletion. The Falklands were proof enough that a Professional Army is greater than a conscripted one.
I think the prime minister has some answering to do. Mismanagement and incompetence. is taking this country into a pointless war.
Yes He is but I feel there's going to be a civil war in the UK 🇬🇧 if any prime minister pushing this country to WAR because it's suicide with Nuclear Weapons technology
It's deliberate. War makes some people even richer.
Once a person reaches aged 18 their parents no longer have any responsibility for those childrens actions.
Parental responsibility ends when the child is 18 (Children’s Act 1989). Presumably those 18 year olds will be able to defer if they go straight to University, will then leave with debt and then have to do their National Service. They literally wrote this policy on the back of an envelope.
Think they meaning no university untill you do your service .sounds like they are guiding them through their life with their arm up their backs.doesnt sound like voluntry
The "opportunity to volunteer" bit properly frames this as some function of a free and fair society. It sets the right tone. Facilitating opportunity sets the right tone. As soon as the word 'compulsion' is mentioned then eyes roll. The truth is that we just do not have sufficient trust and confidence amidst those who minister to our state in doing this in any other way save, perhaps, in the event of war with Russia or China and even then we do have to ask just what difference a bunch of 'entitled' and otherwise 'rights imbued' bunch of 18 -20 year olds is going to bring to our 'game'? Otherwise, there's qiote simply too many nods and winks and looking away taking place at high levels in our society (other countries 'straight up' with this sort of thing in terms of criminal conspiracy, racketeering or other forms of corruption) and otherwise 'lower down the food chain' we have too much 'viscious' and self interested executive decision making and this with varying degrees of reference to fact, law and evidence. In short, and as with Brexit, this will create more problems and issues than it resolves unless the design is to create a morally bankrupt and otherwise desperate and much ratcheted up authoritarian state? We properly otherwise need robust politics which work to respect and enhance and, where trespassed against, enforce our individual freedoms as a function of our democracy. Oh, and punishing one adult person for the crimes of another is the sort of nonsense talked up in North Korea. The Conservatives REALLY do want to lose this forthcoming election now don't they?
My home-town MP. Lets hope she gets the boot soon enough.
Your country needs you 🫵 (to vote her out)
These people wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice your children for their own political and economic self interests.
Of course they would, it's what 'leaders' have always done.
probably outsource the job to Ukraine
All branches of the armed forces are extremely technical today. No conscript could or would learn his job in one year, or even two. Of course, if you only want cannon fodder...
(RAF 1963-1987)
Exactly! This is a grab for cannon fodder like in Ukraine. Sounds like it’s going to be on home soil too by the look of London Ireland and Sweden and Holland ect….it’s brewing here in Australia as well. Lots of knives swords and machetes being regularly used
What a vote winner. hahahahaha ... Sunak is a Muppet
Good thing its not happening then
I know yeah 😂
I was an apprentice at the age of 18, on a very small wage. I used to work an extra Saturday every week to make sure I had enough to pay my mother suitable rent, to make sure I could still feed myself and run a car to get to work. If you told me back then after working 6 days a week that I would also work a Sunday! I wouldn't have had the energy or dive to finish my apprenticeship. So I worry for those younger people already in employment or have a family that this will be a responsibility too far.
Community service is a criminal sanction that sits just below a prison sentence in terms of gravity.
So as a person unable to serve in military due to disability I am forced to volunteer without compensation. Seems discriminatory to only pay military service.
Coming from a bloke who didn't know that He was at a
Party. 😂
He wants to loose so badly
He really does.
This comes after YouGov published figures that show 18-24 year olds that will definitely vote has rocketed. Of that cohort only 15% will vote Conservative.
PS Mandatory volunteering is not "volunteering".
Just looked at the latest YouGov poll detailed PDF and 18-24 is 8% Con, 57% Lab, 14% Green, 10% Lib-Dem
What it will do is spur them to get out and vote
if you have a bro or sis or son or daughter of that age wouldnt you vote for anyone but tory to block this madness ?
Disgusting idea
Money money greed has no bounds
Send the jailed criminals out to the front line..
Hang on, so that will be the parents of children who refused? 🤦♂️
If they're jailed, they're literally serving the term they've been given by the law in this country for the crime. Get a grip.
Go in hands up and change sides.
Either fund the army or don't!
Forcing 18 year olds to give up a weekend (alongside the already 5 days a week that they are working) to learn to become cannon fodder for rich people to send into wars. Nice one, Fishy Nutsak! A real vote-winner there.
The number of 'Uh's and 'um's speaks volumes
A re-run of an unworkable policy, not dissimilar to Rwanda, and Leveling up.
The primary purpose of the armed forces is to train servicemen to operate weapons with the ultimate aim of killing people. In the event of a foreign war (e.g. Iraq / Afghanistan / Bosnia), young people signing up to what’s essentially being sold as a year’s well-being and fitness scheme, should be aware that once trained and with their year of service completed, they may the first be invited to serve alongside professional servicemen in a future war. The decision to sign up should not be taken lightly, even if the only alternative is doing something that appears less exciting in the local community.
national slavery or national punishment what an election pledge.
I feel like I’m a war with our own government let alone a foreign one?
Will we also see the young family members of these politicians conscripted to National Service ?
If it starts at 18 years old, then the 'draftees' are legally adults and it does not seem a reasonable law for parliament to pass.
Scotland, Wales and N Ireland Government's should get a veto on England's national service law.
So what Tory has a vested interest in the company who would be contracted to run this. Another easy £60 million to be made and of course their children would be exempt.
We're in UK from 14 years, I am OK with my EU settlement but was always planning to apply for my sons british passport when he is 16. Oh well not anymore..
What about the veterans in our streets with no support?
Ah yes, your compulsory, personal journey through life, enforced by the state. Bog off, Sunak.
“A really exciting policy.” What a freak
I was in the army during the 80s training usually to defend against the Warsaw Pact No mention of conscription Tories get your coat and do one. In fact Sir Keir you do one too WEF drones
This is insane. We don't need to go to war. We need to have more engineers and doctors to progress the UK
So they should volunteer for the compulsory service, got it
Idiotic claptrap. Former military chiefs have said it would hurt rather than improve defence and security. It's ridiculous.
The medical examination that includes physical and mental fitness is gruelling, so if conscripts don't pass, then the military won't have them. Generally and I know this from dealing with them, a great many young people are just not fit enough to join the military, compulsory joining or otherwise. I doubt the Conservatives ever even considered that.
And the NHS don't let anybody onto the wards without weeks of training and induction, DBS checks, supervision by already overworked staff etc There's literally nothing untrained 18 yr olds could do of any use at the weekend as only inpatient facilities are open and without all of the above the only thing you're qualified to do is make coffee.
How many murderers will the Tories be realizing from the full prisons in order to lock up parents ?
Everyone should stay in and not vote for ANYONE - Then what happens. People should realise by now that NON of them give a stuff about you or the country.
Don't be silly. That won't happen so you might as well at least use your vote to get them out. Otherwise you'd better not complain about what the next government does.
@@faithpearlgenied-a5517I will continue to complain because people need to wake up and realise your vote has no actual power, you're basically signing a permission slip for future treason.
@faithpearlgenied-a5517 Free to complain as much as one likes. Who are to tell people who don't vote that they aren't allowed to complain? Where does it say that in the rule book? 😂
Spoil your ballot with a message. Tell them what you REALLY think.
Preparing them for war .To fight their battles of greed.
wint happen he will be voted out even his own party are resigning and jumped ship