SPIDER-MAN HOMECOMING ISN'T AS BAD AS I REMEMBER...
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We have a lot of problems with MCU Spidey, but a few years removed from it are we able to find more to enjoy than we could back when it was first released? We can't help that we grew up with Tobey, and even Andrew to a point, but perhaps Tom will surprise us upon rewatch… or does Iron Man's looming shadow over this franchise make him the ultimate villain?
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#spiderman #homecoming #irondiaper
I gotta say, this version of aunt may make more sense to me than any other version. peter is a high schooler, I could never imagine an aunt being the same age as a grandmother (as I come from a very young family) and Marissa tomei is still 50 or something, so it is actually very realistic casting for her
The casting is fine, the fact that her most prominent character trait is her looks that's weird
Old people are not realistic?
@@poolgoldworldwild2163 not realistic in a lot of cases for a teenager to have an aunt may who looks/is in her late 60's/early 70's. that's more of a grandmother/great aunt age
@@lilliealicea8002 the word you're looking for is likely, not realistic. Maybe Uncle Ben and Peter's father have a big age gap? Getting bitten by a radioactive spider is also unlikely.
@@poolgoldworldwild2163 I'm pretty sure you understand what I meant. Most high schoolers don't have an aunt in their 70's. And while, yes, I understand that it is not out of the ordinary for there to be atypical ages in families (I'm 22 years older than my baby brother, so someday I will be that incredibly old aunt if my he ends up having kids lmao) it is also not out of the ordinary for there to be young aunts (and Marisa isn't even that, she's in her 50's, normal aunt age).
rant** these movies were another adaptation/iteration of the original comics, and I think we should retire this idea that adaptations of popular characters have to fit the exact original depiction. just like we have fairy tales told in various different ways, superhero stories should be allowed to be interpreted and molded by whoever borrows them. this version wasn't perfect, but they switched some things up and I think this was a fun switch. It's okay if not everyone enjoys it, luckily, there are other adaptations to watch
I lost my shit when Jake called Trick or treaters Halloween Getters lmao this is the stuff I think is gold!
right up there with "Halloween-Christmas"
Should’ve called them Halloweiners
The PMI dudes reporting on Amazing Spider-Man news in 2012 is why I first followed the channel. Great to have the OG dudes talkin Spider-Man again.
same here!
Those were the days
Real ones remember when they threw on the spiderman mask to show the viewers spoilers were being discussed and that they can listen in again when he took it off.
Dude same
Who remembers on #ShownTell when they argued about Age of Ultron😂 that was funny!
My 3 Dads. Back together again. A Christmas miracle.
hey ur the easter egg guy
@@YahhSirio him appearing here is an easter egg
I watched your videos when I was like 9 years old and I am 20 now. Love your stuff man
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“Imagine getting cast as Spider-Man and never being Spider-Man.”
It’s like that time a guy was cast as Bruce Wayne but never was Batman
American Psycho?
What, the Bruce Wayne from Joker?
@@HugoGojibiter Bruce Wayne from Gotham also. They had a different actor play Batman in the final episode of the series where Batman actually shows up
@@Girintina the kid still wore the suit in the final shot. So not exactly true
@@Girintina
Imagine playing Clark Kent for 7 years but never putting on the costume.
I think the over Iron-Man-isation was done on purpose early on in the film to help further the ultimate point made by the ending where he’s stripped all the way back to his homemade suit; Peter is a better, more effective Spider-Man when he’s doing it by himself. Another thing I think that adds to that is that he almost always fails when he’s using the Stark Tech Suit. On the Ferry he can’t keep it together, he can’t stop the bomb going off at the monument and he almost drowned in the first chase entirely because of the Stark Tech
Exactly that’s why I love these movies causes it really shows how much of a kid he is trying too build up too being the Spider-Man we all love
Stark Tech also saved him on the ferry
@@pulsxn how familiar are you with the character?
Just because that’s what they were trying to do doesn’t mean it turned out good.
@@pulsxn absolutely not lol. It’s like Disney channel made a Spider-Man movie. It’s really bad. You like it cause you’re young and it has Spider-Man in it lol
Tony should have given him access to code and as many parts as he wanted, and let him make his own gear. That's exactly what Tony did. It would have made the arc more cohesive if Tony thought he was using the code inappropriately instead of just giving a teenager a super weapon and complaining that he hasn't learned how to use it.
That’s why he kept those things locked, because he didn’t think Peter was ready for them yet. But he hacked in and got them anyways, If you watch till the end, when he got the suit back, he took those things out of the base suit, so Peter could just do his own thing.
But at the same time, it would’ve been interesting for it to have been a thing of instead of giving him a super suit from the jump, he gives him the resources to build new gear for himself from the ground-up, and Peter basically ends up going mad with power in a way of he keeps making himself stronger through technology, and it would be shown through Peter’s eyes as finally being able to live like his hero. Like maybe he starts seeming more like a dick through the movie, and his change in behavior ends up mirroring Tony’s before he made the suit to begin with, and that’s what leads Tony to take it away because he feels like he’s corrupting the kid and needs to let him be humbled again to set him back on the right path
You mean what he does in the sequal? Make his own suit.
@@raymondfisheriii791 that just sounds like the Symbiote "Black Suit" arc but with technology instead of alien goo. You would have had fans going "they cheated us out of a Venom arc to shove in more Iron Man!!"
Spider-Erection was always my worst fear in high school
It has 8 eyes instead of 1
As long as there is no pre-web fluid.
Omg I thought this comment was bad enough, but the replies are much worse
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Even though MCU spiderman is my favorite spiderman, I've always found the critiques people give it very accurate. Not necessarily towards the movies themselves but towards the MCU as a whole. I will say this, I personally found Peter's home made suit (the one with the vest and goggle eyes) to be more realistic than the other two. Like if you're not familiar with sewing you will not be able to put together a skin tight spandex suit with spider web details, it's just impossible. So peter putting on blue joggers, a red vest and weird goggles that help him focus feels more like what an actual high school kid would do and what materials he would have access to.
love the homemade suit!
But then somehow he designs webshooters? Lol
@@jaycue7641 designing technological equipment is probably much easier for a kid like Peter than designing a suit
@@jaycue7641 a smart kid constructing a piece of tech doesn’t mean he just becomes a top tier fashion designer
@@jaycue7641 It's established that Peter and Ned like to mess around with tech and know a thing or two about electronics. We also know Peter is very smart (the math contest). It's more realistic a geeky smart kid like Peter would figure out how to build web shooters than know how to sew a skin tight spandex body suit with spider web detailing.
I actually never thought homecoming was bad. I quite liked it
Same
It's not, it's very good
I wasn’t a fan personally, it’s probably one of my least favourite Spider-Man movies. But they really made up for it with Far From Home imo
@@julianjpantoja4603 I think so too
@@BigPurp9 Oh I loved Far From Home, that is personally my favourite Spiderman film.
People really blow the whole Tony thing out of proportion. Like I get he’s in the movies a bit “too much” (even though he only has fifteen minutes of screen time in this movie and even less in FFH), but the whole point of these first few movies is that he doesn’t need Tony or any of his fancy gadgets to be an effective Spider-Man. Peter even says it himself in Homecoming that a lot of the stuff Stark put in the suit is unnecessary. That and the fact that both movies end with him fighting the villain with only tech he made for himself. (Yes I count the suit he made at the end of FFH as his own suit, he designed it it should be counted as his.) Even before Tony showed up he was acting as an effective vigilante and was making his own web fluid which is something both Spider-Men before him couldn’t do in their movies. Andrew bought his off of Oscorp Amazon and Tobey could just squirt his out like milk. Tom’s is the only one who made it by himself. He’s way more independent than people give him credit for in the MCU they just keep regurgitating the same Twitter threads they see that make it seem otherwise. Sorry to type an entire manifesto, btw. I just really like this movie and this Spider-Man. I’m a super huge fan of the channel.
Yeah! Like that’s, the theme of the movie. People are like “damn if peter’s nothing without the suit then it should be in the movie” as if that’s criticism and not the arc he goes through. That’s like saying Spider-man 1 is bad because i’m the first act peter doesn’t understand that with great power comes great responsibility
Andrew Garfield did make his own web fluid
@@coverblown21 He made his own web shooters, which is still really impressive by the way, but the actual fluid itself comes from Oscorp.
Well said. The amount of whining about Tony even after all this time is insane.
Because he's definitely way less independent than his predecessors. There's nothing wrong with that, but it just deviates from what Peter's character usually is like. He's doesn't trust as easily as he does in the MCU. People like the Fantastic 4, Tony Stark, and Nick Fury are people we highlight as "good guys", but Peter always makes sure he's not too close because he has his own life that he doesn't want disturbed, and often times he finds that their ulterior motives won't always align with what he wants. And that implicit trust he has of Tony (ooc but its another universe so who cares?) starts to create issues with other characters. Mainly the fact that MJ and Aunt May are sidelined in all the movies. MJ's just kind of there, and we don't get any deep personal moments with her and Peter. All we ever see is that they have a crush on each other. And we see it play out. Cute I guess, but they drag out this relationship that they really put 0 time into two movies, when the previous movies could establish Peters relationships in one. Aunt May doesn't really do anything in either movies and she could've just as easily not been in the movie. I get the actress is hot, but there has never been a point in either movie where she absolutely exemplifies the character of Aunt May.
I think the MCU did really well with it's interpretation of Tony Stark, even though he's has far less hubris, and the relationship he has with spiderman is definitely interesting. But to make Spiderman this intertwined with Iron Man, they essentially had to cut out a ton of things that characterized Peter. It's like how the Harry Potter films cut out everything smart or kind that Ron Weasley says, and just assigns it to Hermione.
the thing is it was never bad, it just didn’t feel like a Spiderman movie because he’s so connected to the other movies, looking back tho this movie is a pretty accurate spooderman story
This is a lot better than the gimmicky stuff they're recommending it be replaced with.
Contained, more clever and focused on his individual powers, the coming of age struggle of dealing with authority (the voice talking to him in his suit is SUPPOSED to be annoying for him, but he then decides to use it to his advantage and not completely ignore it like a kid would.)
This is probably the most realistic Spider-Man there could be, and they used that to make it a really different and interesting Spider-Man.
@@treefingers6572 I also think people forget how young he is and i believe in the comics he's in like his senior year going off to college but this kids still just a kid, and when i saw this I kinda thought that if I was a 15 year old kid with powers some help would definetly be appreciated
Yeah, if Iron Man wasn’t as prevalent as he was, this’d be a good, solid Spidey story the whole way through.
@@supermutantsam1160 it’s a shame because we all love Iron Man, it’s just Spideyboy is his own small time hero at the beginning and that’s been missing from these films, i still enjoy them anyway
Spidermans first appearance outside of amazing fantasy was in a fantastic four crossover, spiderman has always been connected to other characters. People are just saying it doesn't feel like a spiderman movie cause the previous continuities couldn't connect to anything else
It’s such a pleasure seeing you guys together again. Just like the other comment, I came across your channel talking about The Amazing Spider-Man footage you guys saw. And you three were gushing about it. I have watched EVERY video since. Seeing you three goons together brings me back to some really good memories of my life. Sitting down with my three friends every Friday, talking comics, movies, and video games. Man…
I always thought that this film is agreeing with your point about the gadgets. In the film he has them throughout and constantly fucks up when using them but when he gets them taken away is when he’s successful meaning he doesn’t need them and that one of the main themes is that the gadgets don’t make him Spider-Man
It’s shocking how many people miss this message when the movie basically spells it out for you with “If you’re nothing without this suit, then you shouldn’t have it.” They seem to get so hung up on Peter’s relationship with Iron Man that they miss or ignore the core character arc of the film.
But he gets them back anyway so the film basically goes against it's lesson for Peter (not that it was something he should have learnt in the first place considering he has fricken powers for six months)
@@SatchelGizmo Literally, Peter himself is like "Mr Stark really overdid it", the gadgets are never glorified and he never uses them to get out of trouble or defeat Vulture.
but then in the movies after this he's using the gadgets all the time, like...the theme of this movie doesnt even end up mattering at all.
@@dimetrodonz That’s a straight up lie. He never uses them again because Starrk takes them out of his base suit after this movie. The only suit that has these gadgets now are the Iron Spider. Which has always been a Tony invention even in the comics.
I love Homecoming (and Far From Home)! To each their own. But Tom Holland is by far my favorite Peter Parker/Spider-Man. I grew up watching the Raimi movies and saw TSAM movies. And I love them, but Tom, to me, just captured the essence of what it would be to be an actual teen thrust into being a superhero. Looking forward to you guys covering the rest of the trilogy!
This is basically my experience with the Spider-Man movies as well and I gotta say Tom's my favourite too. I love all the movies but Tom's ones I just like more than the others.
See that's the thing people focus too much on the "teen" thing when Spider-man was never a teen for that long in the main universe, NOR did he ever act like Holland's version when he was a teen, Spectacular Spider-man is what MCU Spider-man should have been like
@@giovanniluke3882 holy shit thank you. I remember in the old comics Parker being almost to college.
@@giovanniluke3882 But that isn’t objective fact, that’s how you feel, that’s what you like about Spider-Man, this isn’t the same one, he grew up in a universe where he was brought into the fold and mentored by Tony Stark, he was never going to be exactly like the comic books. To each their own, but stop disliking this movie simply because he doesn’t fit your mold on how Spider-Man should be. And take it as a new version on its own.
@@JinxeBlaq And you stop treating me like I'm saying it's a disgrace and horrible, I just don't like a lot of the things they did and feel like they could have done better, I like him in the crossover movies with the Russo brothers but it's Jon Watts and the MCU whom I don't like what they've done, Jon Watts for trying to base these films off John Hughes when he should be more INSPIRED (not do a complete page to page rewritten version of the comic) by the original material the character comes from, and MCU for continuing the exact problem I have with their movies which is unnecessary involvement from other characters in other character's solo movies, like Falcon in Ant-man, and I never said people couldn't like this version, that's just you painting me as the bad guy, I just don't like how he's been done and feel like they should have taken basic inspiration from Spectacular Spider-man
I still maintain this is the most fun MCU film. Even more than guardians, iron man etc. I really enjoy the MCU at this much more grounded level than the universe smashing avengers etc.
You know what’s funny? A lot people who hate on this movie complain that it “rides on the reputation of other MCU movies to be successful,” yet it’s the most self contained MCU movie out of the bunch. Yeah, there’s mention of people like Captain America, and Iron Man is a “significant” part, but it’s more of a Spider-Man movie than a MCU movie.
This and Ant-Man 1 for me.
Most fun MCU film definitely goes to Thor: Ragnarok. That movie’s a legit comedy.
@@fissilewhistle I didn’t love the story of ragnarok but fuck me it was funny lmao and that makes up for it
No way 😂 guardians is way more fun
The coney island bit is so well aged with spiderman 2 coming out.
I feel people are just way too harsh on Tom Holland’s Spider-Man, he’s not one of the best adaptations, but Homecoming is honestly a really good and fun movie not just another Marvel formula film. This film has actual good humor, the actors are great (especially Micheal Keaton) and Micheal Giacchino’s score is incredible as always.
@mc nasty this is an example of irrationally harsh
@mc nasty that’s a bit harsh
@@tellietubbiesgoboom if that’s harsh to you you might need to grow a pair😂
@@xreaper2451 kinda harsh don’t you think?
@mc nasty that's how I've always viewed him and I think the writers wanted peter to be: an entirely new character. he's a totally different version oof spider man and they made a lot of changes to make that clear. but then people get upset bc he isn't true to the comics. if this peter was just another rendition of the comic book peter it would be less interesting, seeing as there are already so many spider man movies
Web shooters instead of organic are really just more of a writing thing I think. With the wrist shooters they can run out mid-fight, break, etc.
yeah!
@@PrettyMuchIt highlighted by the man himself?! Today is a good day!
I also think that in most versions without Stark tech, the shooters and the web fluid show how smart he is
18:55 Anyone who thinks webshooters take away from Spider-Man is just crazy. The Webshooters show that Peter isn’t just superpowered, he’s also intelligent and can make his own gear.
Yeah even in constant early comics Peter usually uses his intelligence to solve scenarios instead of absolutely wailing on villains.
One of my favorite issues by Mark Waid Amazing Spider-Man 614 has Peter make an entire new web compound just so he can fight Electro alongside using an upgraded tracer he invented to locate him in the issue.
It comes back to the point of him being in the Stark suit. Who is he outside of just being a teenager? Quick reflexes, intelligence and strength, a trait that possesses many Heroes. Anyone could wear the gear, and with training could be just as good as him. Organic webs makes our boy different and unique. Which is important because of how it affects his ability to live a normal life.
Eh, I feel like you could easily show he's intelligent without ever having him make the web shooters, through his actions/planning/etc (I'd even argue that's a *better* way to show it). The most important reason to keep the web shooters imo is more just that there's more to do with them that way. They can break/run out of fluid, or be modified in different ways depending on what's needed. Organic web shooters really take away from that (even if they do make the spider theming more apt)
@@sosea_exe No, that’s actually the opposite. The Stark suit is like his superpowers; it’s something incredible he has that makes him powerful but it doesn’t make him unique. Like they said in their review; anyone can wear a Stark suit. Anyone can get bit by a radioactive bug.
What makes Peter unique is his intelligence, drive, and morality. If his spiderwebs were just another superpower, it wouldn’t add anything to his character and just be another gift he was granted. Him making his own webshooters shows he is capable beyond just his powers, that he can and always will do greatness.
I feel like organic web shooters take away from Spider-Man's character as a whole. He can pretty much never run out of organic webs, save for Spider-Man 2. (but that was a mental block)
Peter making web shooters shows his intelligence, AND it also makes each fight tense in my opinion. He can lose a web shooter, run out of webbing, or break them. Electro for example has always tried to short out his web shooters, and people have tried to crush them before.
Listen I know organic webs seem spermy but I feel like Spidey Sense (which actual spiders don’t even have) and wall climbing aren’t cool enough to be the only things he gets from a radioactive spider
@@pureorangeness so we’re just ignoring super agility and 8x strength
@@pureorangeness He also has perfect equalibruem, enhanced senses like taste and smell, and in some cases the ability to see in different light spectrums.
@@sidecharacter3193 Spider sense and wall climbing are significant to only one character in the MCU, Spiderman. Agility and Strength are not unique traits.
i’ve always seen it as a “unique” factor. if Peter can make web shooters, what’s stopping other people from making them as well? Anyone smart enough could swing around the city just like Spider Man. Spider sense and wall crawling (tons of other characters have enhanced agility and super strength so i’m not really counting those) from getting bit by a radioactive spider seems kind of lackluster, i feel like a natural web element just ties in his spidery powers better and makes web slinging unique to him. Just my opinion tho lol
19:02 funny you should mention that - in the Sam Raimi trilogy they were originally gonna have web shooters in the films but Tobey Maguire brought up that it doesn’t make sense that this kid (Peter) invents the miraculous technology and fluid while still being dirt poor instead of like…selling his technology or whatever
For 2002 that makes sense. Being poor then you'd just sell it for the money. Being poor now you have social programs to help you out and can maybe afford to keep them
Just want to say that setting up Tony as his mess cleaner early in the movie is what makes him stepping away from the tech in the final act so impactful.
I really didn’t vibe with this one. They took everything so surface level and it bugged me so much
@@nathanhills336 Ooor it could be that you have a clear bias.
@@jamman9569 Nope, I just understand the films. I like all versions of Spider-Man and yes, they did take everything in surface value
@@jamman9569 nah I think he’s not wrong to an extent
Why is it that your website is more clean, very functional, and more professional than most websites that put mad money into theirs. Props for that and also love the videos
wow hey thanks!
“Gosh I guess I have to kill Liz’s dad”
Idk why but that caught me so off guard that I snorted my drink 😂
"I can't believe they had the courage to release Morbius." Made me laugh real hard.
the classic PMI trio always brings instantaneous joy
I had a friend growing up who said he didn’t like Amazing Spider-Man as much as Raimi Spider-Man specifically because he didn’t shoot webs out of his wrists and I tried telling him that he doesn’t just produce webs but he never believed me
Actually there are a few versions that have the organic web shooters.
Damn I haven't laughed this hard in a minute. This was an absolute joy and I can't wait for more!
Honestly I think "a bag of soda" is a great way to describe this movie, at its core it's still soda so you'll enjoy it but it's just an impractical way of delivering it
wow perf
what if I drink water and it's fuck soda for life
If Eric makes a Spider-Man: Far From Home. I need him to make Taylor’s swift jokes when Jake Gyllenhaal is on the screen.
i need him to use as many all too well (10 minute version) (taylor’s version) lyrics through out the track as possible.
Broke: being excited for the OG spidermen teaming up
Woke: being excited for the OG PMI guys reuniting
Eric’s laugh makes everything. Love the series. Please keep it up
IMO, the reveal that the Vulture is Liz's dad is the best plot twist in the MCU. The seeds are planted and easy to spot when you know to look for them, but on first-viewing it caught everyone by surprise
Yes I remember how shocked everyone was when it was revealed during the theater showing.
i feel like a lot of the hatred for these movies are because it’s connected to the MCU but like what did we expect? i for one like it. and the iron man critiques just don’t make sense to me cause the whole point is that he’s coming into his own and becoming more independent. iron man was in it maybe just a tiny bit too much but he served the purpose he was meant to do. it’s not like he served no purpose and was there just to be there like “surprise its iron man”
i mean none of us HATE it, we just don't care for it as much
idk i always think it makes sense that a 15 year old has an aunt who is closer to 50 than a 80 year old lol
Facts lol
we’re less concerned with it being logical, we just prefer the older aunt may
@@PrettyMuchIt Something can be different and good?
@@Pelmite yes? what does that have to do with us personally not liking it?
@@PrettyMuchIt valid lol, y'all are def more familiar with the spider man comics than me, so my connection has just been throught he movies, im 24 so the raimi movies should be my all time favs, but i think they are tainted for me because Spider-Man 3 was the first movie that ever disappointed me, like i was 11? that shit taught me movies can be bad 😭😭
I wasn't expecting the original trio in this, the Raimi trilogy is my favorite set of commentary tracks so I need to download this as soon as possible!
Michael Keaton as The Vulture was not scary at all.
Michael Keaton as Michael Keaton was absolutely terrifying! :)
What makes this Peter so good is he fucks up beyond redemption. Peter can’t magic his way out of a situation he’s fucked up.
I get why people don't like the Iron Man Jr. suit, but I love that they take it away and Peter, using his own powers and brain, proves Tony's words wrong, he is something, someone who will stop at nothing to do the right thing. That's Spider-Man...
Yeah it’s kinda the whole point of the movie but it seemed to go right over their heads
Yeah, I still get what they're saying...
@@jarednavarrete1740 only for him to wear it again the next 4 movies he's in...
@@marveldcmaaz But he's earned it...
@@jarednavarrete1740 true but you can't tell me it doesn't undermine homecomings message at least a little bit. It's the definition of having your cake and eating it too. He might as well have just taken it at the end of homecoming if he was gonna wear it in every subsequent movie (I personally still love homecoming though)
"it takes more suspension of disbelief, you're telling me this kid made this magic fluid that helps him swing"
earlier they also said he should have whipped up a recon drone?????
they’re disconnected points
Shout out to the old gang getting back together. You guys were literally the first Patreon content I subscribed to almost 10 years ago. Now everyone has peeped game. 😂
The comment section needs to chill out. Everyone feeling personally attacked that the PMI is not 100 percent on board with this Spider-Man. Who cares. Let them have their opinion. This video is hilarious either way
People disagree because some of the stuff they said was blatantly wrong or ignorant. Like Spider-Man shouldn’t have web shooters, completely missing the message of the movie, etc that’s why people are up in arms
Jake’s comment about trick-or-treaters has serious “What month is 5?” energy. If you know, you know
😏
The fact that Eric knows what Superior Spider-Man is makes me really happy. Such a good comic run
It was
Its polarizing. I for one enjoyed it as well but understand those that dont like it
Some of my thoughts;
After having Spider-man in multiple isolated universes, it is great to se him interact with an interconnected one. While all the Stark Tech is much, it ties into his arc on how he was relying on Tony instead of just doing what he was already doing. And the suit doesn't do everything for him, it doesn't give him super strength, it doesn't give him durability, it doesn't give him reflexes, it doesn't give him spider sense. And I enjoyed Karen as she allowed for Peter to voice his thoughts out loud in a way that hasn't really been done much in live action before. It's ironic how they complained about him not expositing what's happening around him when Karen gave him someone to talk to about the situation and his life (the important stuff that isn't "I better jump off in 100 meters"). But I do wish he had a hand in developing more of the tech and they kept a consistency with it, We never see the gadgets (other than the tazer webs) again, and Karen has vanished because Peter keeps being able to talk to other people in his life about Spider-man stuff.
I have heard that Sony pushed for Tony to be more present for his star value. But I do also see the value of his presence. Peter is only a few months int his career, and while Uncle Ben isn't mentioned, the impact of his death is present just with the fact that Peter's Spider-man. And while we haven't seen the exact MCU depiction of his origin, we can assume it follows the same cues. So Peter being irresponsible with his powers resulted in Ben's death. one of the first independent choices he makes with his powers gets his guide in life killed. It makes sense that he would look for guidance in others because he needs that standard to help him do the right thing, which is whee the Avengers and Iron Man comes in. They are this golden standard he sets himself to, and he believes he needs them in his life to make sure he doesn't make the same mistake again.
Michelle Jones is a great character who basically modernizes what MJ originally represented in the comics. I've heard that due to the rights, Marvel can't entirely use the usual depictions of characters (no Harry Osborn, no Mary Jane Watson, young Aunt May, young Betty Brant, etc). And I don't feel the "My friends call me MJ" is forced. It sets the stage for the fans to understand that she's gonna be the next love interest, and it worked with the understanding that if they name dropped her as MJ earlier, the fans would either go in an uproar over her race (even though comics Liz was a white blonde who wasn't related to Adrian Toomes) or not become invested in Peter's crush on Liz. MJ is still her initials, it's just that in this case, they don't stand for Mary Jane (While the "My friends call me Gwen Stacy" joke was funny, it's hard to tell if it was just a joke or a legitimate interpretation of what the scene felt like).
I personally prefer mechanical web shooters. In the comics, Peter is a super genius, on par with Tony Stark, Hank Mccoy, etc. And it's a shame the movies never fully delve into that outside of a general passion for science. I find organic webbing both gross and confusing. How is he generating so much webbing? How much does he need to eat to make it? How does he retract the webbing like in the Raimi movies?
The comics did delve into organic webbing, and I believe it was established that he needs to eat a lot of starch to generate the webbing.
I just find the mechanical webbing to make more sense, be more practical, adds some stake (jamming up, running out of web fluid, being destroyed/damaged), allows for more of a variety of webs (nets, impact webbing, tazer webs, web balls, etc).
The donnie darko jet thing with jake gyllenhall being mysterio was such a good idea 😂😂 (21:02)
At this point I don't even know what people want spider man to be anymore. Everyone has these different ideas about him and some people are like, "We want him to be more like the comics" while some are like" we want him to be like the Raimi films" An I'm just sitting over here like, "I just enjoy these movie"
i dont think you need to worry about what other people want if you enjoy it
@@PrettyMuchIt
Oh I don’t, I just think it’s funny tbh.
I think that the criticisms are very valid, but this is absolutely one of my favorite spiderman movies
love that! we’re glad folks enjoy it regardless of what we think of it
Y’all talk like old heads who have a hard time enjoying a different take on Spider-Man doing things in different ways, like having Tony help this broke kid invent things, BUT I also think you do a good job of staying fair when talking about this version of Spider-Man, and I love that. It’s like having people who care about you teasing you when talking about something you like, but never hating on you for liking it. This was an amazing review of the movie.
really appreciate that! that’s exactly what we tried to do
@@PrettyMuchIt Your welcome, you’ve definitely got my subscription lol
I've missed you three so much! So many great memories.
I was literally just on Pretty Much It’s old videos and wondering if they would ever do a Homecoming video. Literally 30 minutes later it happened.
This is actually insane, I’m pifflygoofed rn.
I’m a HUGE Homecoming fan, but this video was still unbelievably funny and PMI’s wit never fails to slay
I’ve never understood people’s issue with Peter getting help from Iron Man, he still does all the things that Spider-Man does
I’d rather have a movie that sacrifices a couple of scenes of Peter building things in exchange for developing both him and Tony than have one that has those scenes, doesn’t have any development between them and has me asking why Tony isn’t doing anything to help the kid he dragged into the world of heroism
Cus it gives tony stark jr vibes to some people.
I dont personally have that opinnion but i think alot of people see it that way.
It makes sense in the context of the MCU, but at the same time, other iterations of spider-man have always been very independent. I feel like people have a problem with the fact that MCU spidey movies rely so much on his connection with iron man. It totally fits with the universe, because of how he was introduced, but at the same time it makes it feel like he has things too easy. One of the biggest examples I can think of is the fact that his punishment for messing up in homecoming is simply losing all the cool stark tech upgrades, which puts him on the same level as other versions of spider-man. His punishment is basically "learn to be spider-man by being spider-man", and after he learns that, he just gets all the overpowered upgrades back and never really has to go through spider-man related hardships again. Although this makes total sense because of how the character was set up, it does make him feel less independent
@@crow5326 I know that’s what they believe but I just don’t understand how they can believe it
MCU Spider-Man spends more time dealing with regular teenage drama than either of the previous ones and does just about all of the other typical Spider-Man things, the only arguments for him being “Tony Stark Jr” is that he doesn’t build all of his own stuff and gets help from Tony but not only does that make perfect sense it’s still better than the Raimi movies where he didn’t build
@@jonasquinn7977 i gues people just see it that way . I dunno what to tel you besides its not my opinion. And wel you make a good point .
@@jonasquinn7977 This doesn't excuse taking away the independence he had before in the other iterations though, and he was still 15 in a lot of them but still largely did stuff on his own, not saying MCU version can't do things on his own, but thing is he has a superhero mentor bringing him in the heroic world where he always came out as a known hero on his own, and it feels very odd to have IRON MAN of all people be the guy this Peter is obsessed with considering the relationship between them in 616 (even before Civil War), and I'm so confused on why everyone thinks he nails the high school struggle (even ignoring the fact he wasn't in high school for very long in the main comics) because we never see him running late for class or forgetting to finish an essay or something because he was busy with Spider-man duties, in fact we see him HAPPY to try and skip school because he's "above school" and only then does he walk into the principal and get detention only to walk right out of it and later get a warning as punishment, he gets off a "little" too easy compared to other versions, I get this is version was made to fit in the MCU but they tried too hard to change him from the other versions that they've taken away what made him so iconic in the first place, besides the fact he's "a teenager" which isn't good enough because even as a teen Peter never acted as gulliable and immature as Holland, they've basically made him like Ben 10, Danny Phantom and other cartoon teenage heroes
I kinda dig Marisa Tomei Aunt May. I think making her middle aged instead of inexplicably ancient given that she should be around the same age as Peter's parents makes her feel like a more down-to-earth character. The traditional Rosemary Harris Aunt May is almost like a wizard, like Gandalf or Dumbledore. She really leans into the idea that with age comes wisdom so she always knows the right thing to say even if she's completely oblivious to what's really going on in Peter's personal life and how applicable it is. Her age also makes her fragile, yet invincible. Old Aunt May can be threatened by the likes of the Goblin or Doc Ock, but you know ultimately she's going to be safe. They would never put her through anything as brutal as what happened to Marisa Tomei because it would be too horrifying to see a little old lady get the absolute shit kicked out of her. Marisa Aunt May not only feels more vulnerable because you know she's in the age range where anything can happen to her, but because she feels more fallible. Marisa May freaks out when Peter comes home late. She doesn't know if he's getting into drugs or joining a gang or if something else terrible is going on and she has no idea what to do about it. Rosemary May is never concerned about any behavior from Peter a normal person might find troubling and never misreads the situation and offers useless advice based on off-base assumptions.
that donnie darko cut scene idea thing is genius. SOMEONE DO IT PLEASE SERIOUSLY
I always enjoy your commentaries and even though I don't agree on a lot of your points regarding this film, I do enjoy hearing what you have to say about anything. Nice to be back lol
Tom Holland is a theatre kid who made it big. He was on Broadway
Ned: I'm looking at Porn
The real ultimate sacrifice, Ned truly took one for the team. A true Homie.
20:30 is actually taken directly from the comics that's why it looks so zany and weird, its literally panel from the comics :)
yes jake mentions that at 20:40!
21:19 That's actually a fantastic idea lol the Jake Gyllenhaal cinematic universe! So it goes from Homecoming and then Donnie Darko for the jet engine scene and then Nightcrawler for his media stuff and then Far From Home when he eventually transitions to cgi stuff!
idk, i guess I don't really mind the iron-man-ization of the MCU spider-man because it's the third live action iteration. I feel like when you're this many spider-men deep, you have to make some changes. do i really need to see peter re-invent a bunch of technology i've seen him create a hundred times in other forms of the franchise?
yep we said at the start now that we also have playstation spidey and spiderverse we’re cool with this just being another iteration we don’t care for as much
Man this video was a fucking nostalgia trip! I always tuned in for the RecoMondays and the PMI show every Friday. It's so wholesome seeing them come back together after they all made something of themselves doing their own thing.
I can’t believe this highlight reel left out Jakes comment about Iron Man armor being able to x-ray vision into any federal building. The full track was absolute gold, so glad you guys hopped back on the Spidey train.
Loved the video, but I can’t help feel that they are missing the overall tone of the movie. The point the movie was trying to convey is that Peter is handed all of this tech from Tony, but he’s not yet ready and hasn’t earned it because if he needs to rely solely on the suit Tony gave him in order to be Spider-Man, then he’s nothing without the suit, he’s not Spider-Man.
Although not traditional to Spider-Man, it’s quite a realistic take on it since he is a high school teenager. In all other Spider-Man media, he’s always been portrayed as a teen but somehow has the mindset and mental maturity of a middle aged man. This rendition was much more based in reality in my opinion
we understand the point and just don't like it, that's all
This movie holds a special place in my memories and heart. The first time I ever saw it was when I was at a friend's birthday sleepover party in high school. We had a blanket outside on the grass after the sun set, the movie was playing from a projector. It was one of the few moments in my life that was filled with peace and enjoyment. Spider-man never fails to bring a smile to my face and warm my soul. This movie was also the first Spider-man movie I ever saw and he's my favorite superhero to this day
did you miss the entire part of the movie where peter's arc is that he doesnt need iron man, like thats the point of the movie
so we're meant to be frustrated by all the iron man shit through the entire movie? fun !
feeling so nostalgic right now, thank you
of what
@@leoochofaigh6714 started watching ericwithnok and the pmi content with mike and jake in 2012. the friday show and the reviews they used to do were my favorite youtube content ever. genuinely so inspiring and helped me through some tough times. i’ve loved everything eric and the rest have done since, but it’s amazing to see them come together again for this. i know they’ve stayed friends and all, but it’s just awesome to see them reunite for a commentary, especially for something spider-man related.
Pre end of world
@@LonelyStar747cool
18:50 hard disagree, organic webs are like the stark tech in his suit, they make him too powerful and there's no drawback. Web shooters are great for the story because they aren't guaranteed to work all the time. They can short out, run out of web fluid, a villain can break them. In any situation, Spider-man can lose his most versatile ability and be forced to improvise without it, and that's a great way to believably increase the tension in any fight. One of the biggest perks of the symbiote suit was that it made its own webs and negated that weakness. But with organic webs, he just has that automatically.
Yeah one of my favorite issues of Spider-Man is issue number 230 by Roger Stern and Peter specifically runs out of web fluid while fighting Juggernaut and has to completely switch his strategy fighting him just so he can survive.
Also Peter making his own web fluid highlights how smart he is in Marvel Comics even at the age of 15.
If you don't see the drawback in him having all of the tech in his suit, after the movie explicitly spells it out for you, I have no idea what to tell you.
@@slimerewoods5766 Read his first sentence, buddy.
People are like: "That's the point his arc in this movie is he doesn't need the stark tech."
Smash cut to Infinity War where he's literally in space receiving yet another iron suit lmaoooo
don’t even bother, the comments are a nightmare
Maybe if we were talking a friendly neighborhood Spiderman movie you would have a point but Infinity War wasn't a Spiderman movie though. It's an avengers level movie. Also even in the comics Tony is the one who makes the Iron spider suit. It makes sense especially with how much he cares for the kid. In Spidermans own movies every time he uses something Tony made it makes things worse.
@@Cameron-qe7il I get that I even like his suit in infinity war just think would've been cool if that was the first time tony made a suit for him and the surprise reveal would be much greater
@@EmperorV326 I don't think so. I think showing Tony care about him this early makes his death scene in Infinity War at the end when he couldn't protect him hit harder then if those scenes didn't exist.
I'm so happy to see this!
I think it's actually a testament to the movie's storytelling that you guys were so irked by the robot suit stuff. In a movie where Spider-Man's journey is summed up by "If you're nothing without the suit, you shouldn't have it" I think it's not a bad thing you were pissed off at him being just a dude in a special suit for most of it.
Also just did my own rewatch yesterday and thought of PMI when the Tigers sign came up. So happy you caught it and did the bit.
yeah according to a lot of comments we’re supposed to be annoyed through the whole movie bc of the stark suit? little confusing haha
@@PrettyMuchIt lol yeah so on the one hand that means the movie is good - but on the other hand, who puts on a Spider-Man movie and thinks “Boy, I hope that this pisses me off for 90% of the runtime”? The movie works to me, but to each their own. Thanks for the reply!
@@PrettyMuchIt Yeah, if he’s nothing without the suit then he shouldn’t have it. That’s why he ultimately defeats the villain using his homeade suit. You’re supposed to feel like it’s wrong for him to rely on the suit because it is wrong,and the movie agrees with you. He can’t learn that lesson if he isn’t doing it wrong from the beggining
@@hastypastry6353 yeah we just didn’t enjoy sitting through two hours of “wrong” spider-man
@@PrettyMuchItoh alright that makes sense
I feel like I'm back in the old PMI Days😭
All Spider-Man content is good content! We love a commentary repeat with the og boys!
That bag of soda line was hilarious 😂 it was the delivery!
With theater prices i’d imagine there are people sneaking in ziploc bags filled with soda at this very moment.
8:58 Instead of Peter getting a job at the Daily Bugle as a photographer,
MCU Peter just mints NFTs of Spider-Man with Ned's help.
Though I get frustrated hearing you guys dunk on this movie, I love having ypu three together again, and I now realize what I've been missing from my life for 4 years...
we dunk on lots of movies haha! also hope you saw jake, mike, & i have done lots of tracks together this year!!!
I don't like Far From Home that much, but Homecoming was actually a pretty good movie. Overrall both movies had great moments including the car scene with vulture, the spiderman lifting the rubble, the "I'm nothing without the suit" scene, and the mysterio illusion scene is amazing
so good having the boys back together, been following pmi since 2012
“Someone has to cut this in with Donnie darko!” Killed me😂
2:48 I like how everyone is humble out their views, open with them, changing some old views, and most notably, accepting other views
Listening to this masterpiece on the road to wacth the boys live on 12/15!
12:11 canonically, Peter doesn't wear underwear under the suit. He says it's because it chafes.
“If you’re nothing without this suit, then you shouldn’t have it”
Feels as though that point was kind of missed by you guys. Like I won’t say that theme of independence isn’t fully fleshed out because you can’t pretend like what you said about him just easily having these gadgets on hand doesn’t cheapen a lot of that raw characterisation from the comics and other films but you also can’t say that they don’t AT LEAST address your complaints in this very film
we don’t want ANY iron man in the movie so all of that is irrelevant to us
That’s unfair
@@PrettyMuchIt agree
@@PrettyMuchIt ahh I see. Fair enough. I guess when it all comes down to it, it’s personal preference, and if you don’t feel you’re watching a Spider-Man film with Iron Man flying around then that’s totally understandable
honestly i think the whole ironman-ification was on purpose at first, but when they realized it wasnt working they decided to make it a plot point for character development. like they definitely did not INTEND for that but it works in later movies so this ones just kinda a fun, goofy watch and not much else
The OG boys. I watched you guys back in 2011 when you were a review/news channel (when I was 14, so I grew up with you).
I like all of the spidermen, mcu, tasm, etc.
this is my favorite comment on this video
"OH, YOU JUST WATCH *ME* GO!"
Loved this reel 🥰
I'm so glad Mike didn't off himself - I fucking love you guys, SO glad to see you back together doing spidey shit
Don’t count me out just yet!!
Bro, I hate that people still say "anyone can wear the suit" when he uses his Spidey strength in this and unbreakable will to get out of the rubble, and his Spidey sense in far from home to defeat Mysterio, he's never been "Iron boy Jr" or whatever.
I’m glad they decided to finally let Peter make all his equipment in FFH. It’s a big part of the climax and I love it
Using Iron Man technology...
With iron mans theme in the background...
@@JoshuaR9763 Tony was kinda his idol, and it was confirmed that he was the child that Tony saved into Iron man 2...so it would make sense that someone who is, imo a lot alike Tony both in comics and in the films, would work like him
@@Emo_Parker it’s in the MCU. do you expect them to just pretend this movie is set completely apart? and that this type of tech doesn’t exist?
@@getouthope Why should Spider-Man use it? I don't see the other heroes needing his tech
This made my day. Love seeing the classic trio back together again ❤️
My favorite part is 22:53 “bag of soda” and the second it takes to load what he said.
When Eric said the MCU is never going to do something like in Amazing Spider-Man 2 when they killed off Gwen, I was like UMM WHAT ABOUT ENDGAME??
oh gosh i meant in a spider-man movie haha
@@PrettyMuchIt See you after No Way Home
A bag of soda lol then Eric does a Goblin impression 22:51
I know a lot of people don't like the "Tony Stark Jr" aspect but I'm personally a sucker for 'found family' tropes, especially the father-son ones, so I really liked the relationship they had. Irondad and Spiderson wholesomeness was my life a few years back lol, I remember all the fanart and text posts.
Oh yes my friend, I’m right there with you. 💖
Except it takes away from the fact Peter is supposed to be the quintessential every person. Billionaire daddy takes away from that
@@jamman9569 The relationship he has with Tony only 'takes away' part of his character if you already have an idea in your head of what he has to be like. That's not a good way of assessing a character that's supposed to be its own unique version. If this isn't your favorite version of the character then that's fine, but it works within the context of the MCU and the type of Spiderman they're trying to make. Honestly, so what if this version isn't 'faithful' to other portrayals? Accuracy is just not a priority for me as long as they do it well.
And by the way, this IS the most "quintessential every person" that the character has ever been in the films. Every action set piece is from something in his day-to-day life, like how he encountered the vulture in the suburbs because of a high school party. Just because he interacts with a billionaire doesn't mean it detracts from his character. Didn't comics spiderman also interact with the wealthy Osbornes? And yet he was still relatable, right? That's the same thing with Ironman.
That's also ignoring the fact that "Peter is supposed to be the quintessential every person" is the whole point of the movie. He gets his gear confiscated and has to solve the problem on his own, with his homemade suit, and without calling for help. I swear, some Holland Spiderman critics just cannot do basic theme and character analysis.
@@caoisekamay1175 No it takes away from the character because Peter Parker was made to be relatable and it is a core aspect of the character. If it's a core trait of the character it's absolutely a good away to assess an adaptation. Also the Osborns didn't serve as as father to Peter while providing him with groundbreaking technology and spoiling him. You did not just call Holland the prep boy an every person. Dude is one of the most privileged people in his movies and that's like the opposite of what Spider-Man is supposed to be. He doesn't suffer financial burdens, he skates by life and goes to a prep school that sends him on expensive vacations.
@@jamman9569 idk, maybe YOU don't relate to the character but a lot of people such as myself find him relatable. For example, I like that this is the first film where the villain doesn't have a personal vendetta against him or doesn't try to destroy the city, Vulture just wanted him out of the way so he could do the heist. The other spiderman films have a sort of obligation for him to do good since the entire city is usually in danger. This film shows off his humble and responsible values better imo, since even though no one was in direct harm he still sacrificed time as a normal teenager to do the right thing. Most people will not have to face a choice that could save millions of people, but we will face many choices of giving up a good time to do the right thing. That personal conflict feels relatable no matter the circumstances surrounding it. Maybe for you wealth = automatically unrelatable, but in my opinion you cannot have such surface-level understandings of a character that external factors take away from the actual development they go through.
I could address point by point how him being a 'prep boy' and going to an 'expensive' school doesn't really violate anything if the values or personality is still there, but it's obvious that you're one of those people that already have an idea of what Spiderman is 'supposed' to be and can't take any changes to the character. Again, these changes only violate stuff about the character if you're basing it off of already existing versions that you like. Listen bro: *this is a new version of the character.* It's not supposed to follow everything from the comics beat for beat. And I'm okay with that. I don't care about accuracy. If it works within the context of the universe and the version of the character they are setting up, then it doesn't matter to me. And right now, all traits and development of this specific version of spiderman have fit together well and make sense within that one context.
I actually really like the new spider man movies, but this still funny to watch
"Halloween getters" and "Candy grabbers" killed me 😂❤
Dude I just rewatched this and agree it’s not as bad I remember, however I think that’s a benefit of knowing the direction they were going in hindsight and also not having the unrealistic expectations I had when first seeing it
23:55 "my name is Gwen Black Cat Stacy" had me crying!! 😂😂😂😂😂
2:51 I'd like to imagine that he enjoyed the game so much, he lingered on the title screen for an hour until he actually started playing again
Yeah his comment hurt my soul too.
Those games are literal perfection.
I beat the story mode like twice a year since both dropped lol
This was hilarious! Really happy you’re doing commentaries with the OG’s again