What are your thoughts on Joshua NOT revealing himself to Clive when he sees him at phoenix gate? I always found it so strange and odd he wouldn’t want to join forces right there
Oooh that's a good question. I never thought about it because at the time that scene happened in game I didn't know it was Joshua lol. I feel like the writers just wanted to delay the Joshua reveal more than anything-were I to justify it with story logic, I'd say either he was trying to see if Clive was safe or not first, or he was wanting to stay out of Ultima's attention for as long as possible. Ultima didn't realize how much Joshua knew about him until Joshua had to intervene at Drake's Head. Maybe Joshua wanted to operate from the shadows where possible.
@@wanderingbardgaming Its explained if you talked to one of the Undying. After connecting the dots and clues together, they realized Clive was Ifrit along with discovering his survival and his identity as Wyvern, a Branded assassin. Because of this along with him nearly killing Joshua, they planned to assassinate him , but Joshua prevented him along with him being wary of his brother and set out to find out what truly happened thus leading to his discovery of Ultima.
Besides the other arguments, there's an argument to be made in that Joshua feels that he needs to be the one that protects Clive this time. To prevent Clive of having to shoulder the burdens of others. Joshua has a mission to stop and defeat Ultima, but he really intended to do so without having to involve his brother. But he knew he needed help, so he made an attempt to have his friend Dion join his side... of course that plan failed as soon as Bahamut went berserk, and at that point there was little choice but to involve Clive. Therefore Joshua joins Clive at that point forward. Another instance that Joshua hates having to see Clive be burdened by responsibilities, can also be shown by the cutscene where he punches Clive in response to Jill giving away Shiva.
This might me an unpopular opinion, but the moment jushua was revealed to be alive, my investment in the story vanished into air. It twas no longer a story about Clive's revenge. It just felt so pointless
I can see that. Personally I wouldn’t have found a revenge-themed story to be very satisfying. So I’m glad they gave him more of an “embracing purpose” arc than a revenge one
Torgal should be number one on the list
XD the funny thing is I actually did do a Torgal video!
What are your thoughts on Joshua NOT revealing himself to Clive when he sees him at phoenix gate? I always found it so strange and odd he wouldn’t want to join forces right there
Oooh that's a good question. I never thought about it because at the time that scene happened in game I didn't know it was Joshua lol. I feel like the writers just wanted to delay the Joshua reveal more than anything-were I to justify it with story logic, I'd say either he was trying to see if Clive was safe or not first, or he was wanting to stay out of Ultima's attention for as long as possible. Ultima didn't realize how much Joshua knew about him until Joshua had to intervene at Drake's Head. Maybe Joshua wanted to operate from the shadows where possible.
@@wanderingbardgaming Its explained if you talked to one of the Undying. After connecting the dots and clues together, they realized Clive was Ifrit along with discovering his survival and his identity as Wyvern, a Branded assassin. Because of this along with him nearly killing Joshua, they planned to assassinate him , but Joshua prevented him along with him being wary of his brother and set out to find out what truly happened thus leading to his discovery of Ultima.
Besides the other arguments, there's an argument to be made in that Joshua feels that he needs to be the one that protects Clive this time. To prevent Clive of having to shoulder the burdens of others.
Joshua has a mission to stop and defeat Ultima, but he really intended to do so without having to involve his brother. But he knew he needed help, so he made an attempt to have his friend Dion join his side... of course that plan failed as soon as Bahamut went berserk, and at that point there was little choice but to involve Clive. Therefore Joshua joins Clive at that point forward.
Another instance that Joshua hates having to see Clive be burdened by responsibilities, can also be shown by the cutscene where he punches Clive in response to Jill giving away Shiva.
This might me an unpopular opinion, but the moment jushua was revealed to be alive, my investment in the story vanished into air. It twas no longer a story about Clive's revenge. It just felt so pointless
I can see that. Personally I wouldn’t have found a revenge-themed story to be very satisfying. So I’m glad they gave him more of an “embracing purpose” arc than a revenge one