Not to correct the goat, but you did explain ankle technique a little wrong. Check out Marthyn for some insane double bass explanations, but to do the ankle technique away from the kit correctly, you do NOT lift your heel up then tap your toe. This activates the shin muscle in the front of your leg. And its why doing this away from the kit for an extended period if time will start feel like burning on your shin. The movement is qctually like lifting the heel up, then placing it back down. The beat on your kick drum will come from your heel going up instead of when it hits the ground. This action contracts you calf muscle instead of your shin muscle, and the quick contraction then release is what forms the basis of the technique. Only practice ankle technique away from the kit WITHOUT a reference to a beat, it can confuse you when you get to the kit and the beat happens at a different part of the movement than when it did away from the kit. This part of the explanation is what helped me actually learn the ankle technique, for a while I was stuck only stomping or moving my ankle from the shin contraction.
Thomas Lang, James Payne, JoJo Mayer, the list of drummers who would disagree with your advice (who give tutorials online for free, or in-person lessons, or clinics) continue. I've taken lessons from james payne in person, and also taken the drum technique academy; Marthyn's techniques are based on tension and targeting a triggered pad, while often not even caring about the metronome. HIs training video for the 170bpm workout has errors in it which is weird that he wouldn't re-record something that takes 3 minutes. It's odd. There's errors in this training video iteslf (I could timestamp them if you want) - but Marthyn's techniques aren't better than the control or logic presented in this one.
I agree with @midinerd … I bought both the bass drum mastery from Marthyn and double bass course from James Payne 2 years later… I must admit that the Marthyns way did not work for me at all and I just kept being frustrated… But the James way you gain the control over at lower tempos which makes you more confident when going faster, etc… So in conclusion, you must train both shin and calf to have full control over your ankles…
I started practicing the Marthyn's method wrong, by pushing or stomping the heel to the plate basically and creating the sound that way because I practiced it bad away from the drum , and like you said, yo get used to making a "bass drum sound" when your ankle hit the floor. I watch Marthyn's explaining what you did like 3 months of practice, now I can't get rid of that motion😢
Great information. I'm still trying to get my heel,toe down fully. This always comes in handy. Make sure you get on the list everyone. Gabe is an amazing teacher. You can not go wrong. This is my second year in, and I love it. Can not wait to see you play in KC. Hope I can get front row.
I just got my first drum kit, V drums. and I've been watching your "training" videos I transcribe your drum notes and take them to practice with. Last night I was using your "3 best beginner exercises" video. Last night I felt like I was smashing or mashing the kick pedal and thought I'd watch a kick pedal technique today, and boom you were the first to pop up. But yes, someone is using your techniques, please know that. Peace...
Glad it’s not just me that finds slower tempos much more fatiguing. If I get warmed up and go for say 190bpm I find it comfortable and can do it for ages. If I drop to say 150-160 it’s so brutally hard!
@@DrumBeatsOnline No problem friend. I joined you last year, but haven't been able to get too far since my wife got deathly ill right after. So I'm still at level 1. But love your lessons. I wanted to tell you HOW IMPRESSED I WAS TO see you take up RDavidR, on his request to record a song for him. Even though you're so swamped you still took that little job on. That's why I joined you. See, you never know what a small job can lead to. Bless you friend.
Bro has seen James Payne videos... Seriously the main missing element is the startg motion, since ankle muscles are weaker, the goal is not to be pushing the pedalboard with full power each time, but just giving a little energy boost at each movement What you actually want to do is a full leg motion for the first stroke and then using the ankle to keep the movement going doing the movement off the pedal, and without spring help to dévelop the motion And it's totally possible to use ankle technique for double kick
I like it, I started doing something similar with my electric kit at home, since it had a single kick pedal and my acoustic kit thats in the bands space has my double pedal (joys of living in an apartment) good stuff Gabe, tell the guys in Iprevail to book a show near Dayton Ohio so I can finally see you live lol
Hey broo Pls help me to set my bassdrum foot pedal. I have been keeping the tension very love and was so easy to kick fast in control. Recently I increased the tension and it it is difficult. Broo what shoul I do, do I want to continue or what pls bruh
lately i’ve been feeling like my right foot is just super weak and playing sequences of 3 or 4 has been so difficult. im not sure if it’s a speed thing or a control thing :(
Why do you leave that toe stop thing on your pedal? Can you show us less talented folks, how to do the heel/toe combo double but even. So it's not da-da pause, da-da pause, but da-da no pause even space da-da.
its always a good day when Gabe posts
I wanted to try to come up with a new witty response this week, but I couldn't think of anything. #staytrue
Me too haha
Not to correct the goat, but you did explain ankle technique a little wrong. Check out Marthyn for some insane double bass explanations, but to do the ankle technique away from the kit correctly, you do NOT lift your heel up then tap your toe. This activates the shin muscle in the front of your leg. And its why doing this away from the kit for an extended period if time will start feel like burning on your shin. The movement is qctually like lifting the heel up, then placing it back down. The beat on your kick drum will come from your heel going up instead of when it hits the ground. This action contracts you calf muscle instead of your shin muscle, and the quick contraction then release is what forms the basis of the technique. Only practice ankle technique away from the kit WITHOUT a reference to a beat, it can confuse you when you get to the kit and the beat happens at a different part of the movement than when it did away from the kit. This part of the explanation is what helped me actually learn the ankle technique, for a while I was stuck only stomping or moving my ankle from the shin contraction.
Thanks
Thomas Lang, James Payne, JoJo Mayer, the list of drummers who would disagree with your advice (who give tutorials online for free, or in-person lessons, or clinics) continue. I've taken lessons from james payne in person, and also taken the drum technique academy; Marthyn's techniques are based on tension and targeting a triggered pad, while often not even caring about the metronome. HIs training video for the 170bpm workout has errors in it which is weird that he wouldn't re-record something that takes 3 minutes. It's odd. There's errors in this training video iteslf (I could timestamp them if you want) - but Marthyn's techniques aren't better than the control or logic presented in this one.
I agree with @midinerd … I bought both the bass drum mastery from Marthyn and double bass course from James Payne 2 years later… I must admit that the Marthyns way did not work for me at all and I just kept being frustrated… But the James way you gain the control over at lower tempos which makes you more confident when going faster, etc… So in conclusion, you must train both shin and calf to have full control over your ankles…
@emilmijatov6769 I will check that James guy, since I've been practicing Marthyn's method for almost 6 months and can't even play 130bps
I started practicing the Marthyn's method wrong, by pushing or stomping the heel to the plate basically and creating the sound that way because I practiced it bad away from the drum , and like you said, yo get used to making a "bass drum sound" when your ankle hit the floor. I watch Marthyn's explaining what you did like 3 months of practice, now I can't get rid of that motion😢
Great information. I'm still trying to get my heel,toe down fully. This always comes in handy. Make sure you get on the list everyone. Gabe is an amazing teacher. You can not go wrong. This is my second year in, and I love it. Can not wait to see you play in KC. Hope I can get front row.
Keep up the great work my friend!
Thank you Gabe for this technique
My pleasure!
Great video! The up close camera angle of the movement really helps.
I just got my first drum kit, V drums. and I've been watching your "training" videos I transcribe your drum notes and take them to practice with. Last night I was using your "3 best beginner exercises" video. Last night I felt like I was smashing or mashing the kick pedal and thought I'd watch a kick pedal technique today, and boom you were the first to pop up. But yes, someone is using your techniques, please know that. Peace...
Glad it’s not just me that finds slower tempos much more fatiguing. If I get warmed up and go for say 190bpm I find it comfortable and can do it for ages. If I drop to say 150-160 it’s so brutally hard!
You have no idea how we always await your posts mr Gabe… such an inspiration❤️
I appreciate that!
Utilizing the Kick drum at different speeds can make it settle for so many genres alone! Cheers man!
For sure!
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Hey thanks!
@@DrumBeatsOnline No problem friend. I joined you last year, but haven't been able to get too far since my wife got deathly ill right after. So I'm still at level 1. But love your lessons. I wanted to tell you HOW IMPRESSED I WAS TO see you take up RDavidR, on his request to record a song for him. Even though you're so swamped you still took that little job on. That's why I joined you. See, you never know what a small job can lead to. Bless you friend.
Bro has seen James Payne videos...
Seriously the main missing element is the startg motion, since ankle muscles are weaker, the goal is not to be pushing the pedalboard with full power each time, but just giving a little energy boost at each movement
What you actually want to do is a full leg motion for the first stroke and then using the ankle to keep the movement going
doing the movement off the pedal, and without spring help to dévelop the motion
And it's totally possible to use ankle technique for double kick
I like it, I started doing something similar with my electric kit at home, since it had a single kick pedal and my acoustic kit thats in the bands space has my double pedal (joys of living in an apartment) good stuff Gabe, tell the guys in Iprevail to book a show near Dayton Ohio so I can finally see you live lol
Hey broo
Pls help me to set my bassdrum foot pedal. I have been keeping the tension very love and was so easy to kick fast in control.
Recently I increased the tension and it it is difficult.
Broo what shoul I do, do I want to continue or what pls bruh
I liked this but I feel like my foot and all my leg start hurting hahah I'll still trying
Thanks that is exactly what I need
Hey gabe what spring tension would you say works the best for both speed and control
Good stuff!
Glad you enjoyed it
Is top of your thigh soppused to hurt or am I doing it wrong?
Thanks man for video. What eliminator pedal settings have you tried before? how did you come to the current(cams, spring footboard, chain position)?
Are those rolling glide or power glide pedals? How tight is your spring tension?
Just dropping by to say thanks for this tutorial. Take care, Gabe!
this vid is a key of success, btw man, what kind of nike shoes on you?)
Does the Academy have a notation Library, I have to see it, playing by ear is not my forte.
yo gabe thankyou so much for everthing Ilearned a lot from your vids(philippines)
Bro, can I do triple strokes with ankle technique? Pls reply bro
Those avatar is awesome 😂🔥
I always played using the lowest foot because if I use heel up the sound ends up being too loud
hey gabe can you pls help me to make my solo perfect
whats good tryna start a band who don metal and rock im a drummer and somepart guitarist only played for a year
What happened to the Falcons?
Yo Gabe,
What do you think about direct drive pedals especially with ankle tech?
I was taught the angle technique is when you basically lift your heel and bounce your foot. This seems way more physically demanding
4:01
It looks so easy but my foot always sakes 😖
Marthyns explanation is better
hello this is me from the "future", I am confused that he is using his old set, BUTT he ever said he will NEVER use it again. GABE HOW COULD YOU?!?!?!
0:42 that was actually too slow🤣🤣🤣
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lately i’ve been feeling like my right foot is just super weak and playing sequences of 3 or 4 has been so difficult. im not sure if it’s a speed thing or a control thing :(
9 min ago???
It's true!
Why do you leave that toe stop thing on your pedal?
Can you show us less talented folks, how to do the heel/toe combo double but even. So it's not da-da pause, da-da pause, but da-da no pause even space da-da.
that isnt even fast at all lmfao