I cannot thank you enough for this video and the related ones on the NACS-to-CCS1 adapters. They are brilliantly done. You provided exactly the information I needed when I needed it. I just ordered the A2Z Typhoon Pro so I can take a trip through some remote areas of the country only serviced by Tesla Superchargers in my Rivian R1S. Thanks for the discount code!
We bought the Lectron Vortex and had the difficult to disconnect issue. We sent it back and received an updated replacement which we’ve not been able to properly test on either our BMW iX or Volvo C40. Since we plan to carry an adapter in each car we may give the A2Z a try. I like that it comes in a padded case. Thanks Tom for the valuable info!
Thanks Tom, great to see A2Z being very progressive in continual improvements to their design and your resulting review shows how good this newest version adapter really is!
Glad you posted this! I've ordered one of these new PRO models. Of course, I won't be able to use it for quite a while, but I want to be ready when my EV is finally given the Supercharger green light.
5:15 Appreciate the update. As an Ioniq 6 owner in Fargo Tesla is the major higher power network around in ND. But in the next year higher power chargers are popping up. Time I guess.
I'd really like you to see a review of either an adapter or an EVSE that is of poor quality so you can actually show us the issues of getting a cheap knockoff online.
Thanks for the review and tips. Really looking forward to using the A2Z Typhoon Pro and using the Tesla Superchargers. That will really help with my travels.
No rush here to charge at 1👀kW with an adapter. By the time they add the IONIQ 5 as a vehicles that can charge; it’ll probably have a native J3400 inlet. Hope Charge Point, EVgo and EA builds have better cable cooling. Nice video Tom💯 30:58
Stopping charging from pressing the button on the NACS handle means pressing the little dot on the Supercharger handle. That safely ends charging before unlocking the adapter.
Thanks for the review. Just got notified by Ford that my complimentary adapter has been pushed to September; originally, was May. So... ordered the A2Z Pro adapter. Used your discount code. :-)
I'm using the Original Version of the A to Z adapter (also thanks for the discount code), and I was able to pull 173KW from a St. George Utah Supercharger July 14th. I was so suprised I took a screenshot I'm happy to share, but I think it's from what they call the 10% boost that Ford BMS offers when first plugging in .. Plugged in at 3:32pm @ 51% and I the truck said I would reach 90% by 4:24pm which as you know the last 10% is the bulk of that time.. ~ edit on my 2023 Ford Lightning
I thought it odd that the two stage release trigger released the NACS cable secondarily, even though it should be disconnected first. The video shows Tom compensating by getting a good grip on the adapter to keep the connection to the car while removing the cable.
The previous version of the adapter (and the official Tesla adapter) instructed us to put the dispenser plug into adapter BEFORE plugging into the vehicle. The claim was for safety. So I don't understand why they're now instructing us to plug the adapter into the vehicle BEFORE putting the dispenser plug into the adapter? Why was it not safe in the first version of adapter but now is? I assume they've made some technical change, but would love to know the details.
I got mine as promised but yet to ever get to use it on my bolt. Now it’s 1st gen already i now feel like I’m behind. I feel like the peasant of adapters.
Hey Tom, thank you for the updated A2Z NACS adapter video. Wanted to know if A2Z would exchange the older version I have to the pro version ? The biggest issue I have with lectron is customer service is only through email and do not have an actual phone number to call.
You cannot simply return it for the new one. Tech products are always improving quickly, the same goes for smartphones, a couple months after buying one it's no longer the latest version. If it breaks, or stops working in some way, you can return it under warranty, but you can't just I want the new one so take this back.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney either way , I will try to see if they would be willing to send me the new one since GM has not open the Tesla superchargers for me to use. I will let you know what happens with A2Z once I speak to them
There are enough Electrify America chargers (most of the chargers work) at almost all Wal-Mart these days across the nation. Not sure why we do have to worry about having to go to Tesla chargers.
EA is unreliable and if you travel to/through very rural areas that are far away from interstates, you need all of the options you can get at your disposal. The EV charging network is getting pretty decent, but there are still places that you can’t really get to/from, especially during the hot Summer when EVs hit thermal capacity issues.
@@yayinternets I just completed a trip from North NJ to San Diego CA on Nissan Ariya. I was able to charge at every Wal-mart on my trip (in Oklahamo I had to rely on previously unheard Francis chargers). I agree one or two chargers were unavailable at a few locations, but majority of them were in working condition.
I disagree, maybe your neck of the woods the network is fine, but in the west it’s not even close. The EA charge stations we do have are unreliable and slow. The access to the Tesla network has been a game changer out here.
Thanks Tom for the information on the A2Z pro I will be purchasing one when VW decides to go with Tesla Chargers. Do you have any Idea when that will be?? Thanks again
I'm still new to EVs so this may be a stupid question, but what is the big reason for wanting an adapter to connect to Tesla chargers? Is it just as simple as giving yourself more options for fast charging, or is there some other advantage?
Honest question: what is wrong with the first generation adapter ? Why would they discounted it so abruptly and introduce a pre-order second gen? Seems like something was seriously wrong with the first gen.
The locking mechanism on the version 1 of the adapter was not the most intuitive, we did have to help a lot of customers with it, because many of them thought the lock was automatic and they couldn’t charge. As an EVSE company, our goal is to provide easy to use products and version 1 was not the easiest to use. A radical change was needed, we don’t like wasting time or delaying changes, this is not us. Thank you.
Tom, thank you for this video. Since the Ford Lightning and Mach E have a pin to lock the dc fast connector or adapter with a locking pin. How does the car know when to release the pin so you can remove the adapter since there is no power flowing through it because you have to disconnect the nacs cable first ? I am concerned the adapter will be stuck on the car because the locking pin wont release.
Ford and Tesla need to use A2Z to make their adapter. Second to last day of the month of my latest promised ship date from for and now pushed to September. You know “soon” …. And yet Ford practically remains silent ….. loosing the message battle.
I tested this with my Orignal A to Z adapter, the truck see the DC pins are connected & the level 2 wont communicate with the truck, it just says problem with cahrging session... but it's because the truck is looking for DC power & it's not present on the connector.. .. You can order an AC adapter but i've not tried it just know they make an AC to AC version.
Lightning owner wants to know if the Tesla adapter will be plug and charge thru the Ford network or will you need to use the Tesla app to start charging?
It works and charges you through the Ford app. You could alternately charge through the Tesla app if you wanted to, but you'd need to first turn off Plug & Charge in the Lightning.
I believe you must first have prioity update 24-PU0119-DCCHG4. "www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/priority-update-24-pu0119-dc-chg4-tesla-supercharger-network.18550/ " to get plug and charge compatibility. I have the update, but not the adapter yet.
The handshaking signals are just passed through the adapter. The Tesla charger can tell what car is connected, but it can't tell what adapter it is connected through.
I think that 2nd push down to unlock the NACS side is a confusing design. How many people are not going to watch this video or read the manual to understand you have to push a tad more?
It might be confusing but it allows for a one handed pull out of the adapter from the car. IOW, the adapter and NACS come out as one piece, then you can separate the adapter from NACS.
Don't bother with a charger adaptor. There practically no stations available to non tesla. I live near San jose, California. There are maybe 5 available stations within a 150 mile radius I can use according to the Tesla app.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Just took delivery of a WT 4 and ordered a grizzl-e 80 amp charger based on your video with ceo of grizzl-e. Can you tell me how many miles i should expect. I cant find anything from chevy stating miles per hour for the silverado ev at 80amps. Thank you Tom!!
Things have been pretty sad for my Spark EV. When I used the Magicdock and the long bar at the top clearly prevented the clasp on the car from engaging. Also, the Delta EVgo units just give error codes and alot of the Nouria Schneider Electric units will fast-fail without hesitation. Why does 50kW of DC power need to be so complicated?! 98k and I wish i had baught pretty much any gas car! Ive spoke to EvGo time and time again and they just read from their script and obviously could care less.
Unfortunately, GM has basically orphaned the Spark EV. It was a low-production compliance car, and the company doesn't provide any ongoing support to the EV charging networks to help with compatibility issues - I know this for a fact. If GM wanted to solve these problems, the charging companies would be happy to fix them, but they cannot without GM's cooperation.
On another ford topic …. Are the going stay with j1772 …. For plug in hybrid in model year 26’ …. You ask at a ford dealership and you get nothing but a blank look …. Surprised they did not say “soon” … PS I get plug in won’t have DC fast charging but going with j1127 I can’t have one charger in garage without adapter …. Joy back to another adapter
Is there really a difference to stop charging via app or screen VS the button on the handle/adapter? I don't recall any difference in delay whether I stop via screen or handle button. Or at least it doesn't feel different enough where the AC-DC converter capacitors would have time to discharge before opening the contactor. Unless it's a fraction of a second difference and that's enough. Would be interesting to learn more on that.
DONT USE THE A2Z Adapter on a Rivian. It will limp (Turtle mode) mode your truck. I just got mine and used it twice. Over heated the port… Buyer Beware!!!!
@@SCSLead As far as I know, the adapter itself gets locked, so no one would be able to steal it, but other designs won't lock the sable side, so someone could interrupt your charging session.
Last Friday I was at the Tesla Supercharger in Wisconsin Dells when a Rivian R1S and Ford Mustang Mach-E stopped to charge using the A2Z NACS to CCS1 Adapter. Both owners had trouble getting their adapter to lock so they could continue to charge. In light of the new development that you are reporting on today with the release of their Gen 2 product, I would highly recommend that A2Z reach out to their customers and offer them a free upgrade of to the new and improved Gen 2 adapter.
If someone with the 1st gen has a problem with the adapter not working, they can sens it back for a replacement in which case they will get the new one.
This maybe true but I think the onus is on A2Z to reach out to their customers whenever possible to inform them of such situations where they offer a free upgrade to an engineering defect on such a critical charging component. A lot of these EV owners are newbies to the electric vehicle world . They may think there is something wrong with them as to how they are using the adapter not that there is an engineering defect in the product.
This solves the biggest problem i have with the other adapters by default. With the other adapters, someone could unplug the NACS handle from your vehicle and cut the charging session early. With this change, if your vehicle has locked on to the adapter, the adapter will be locked on to the NACS handle in a way that can not be messed with externally.
Not really. They can just press the button to unlock it.
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Just ordered ours less than a week ago quickly went to check if it was a Pro and luckily it was. Can’t wait to receive it. Thank you for all the information you provide.
I'd be pretty pissed if I was Tesla and people were lubing my connectors because a third-party manufacturer couldn't get a clearance fit in a mold correct.
What makes you think that the variation causing the problem isn’t variation in the Tesla connectors, rather than the adapters? The adapters had to be made “looser” to accommodate the likely variation in the Tesla connectors due to age and condition.
Hey Tom just wanted to let you know I will be using your coupon code to purchase the new ccs Nacs adapter typhoon pro. Thank you very much. I appreciate you
Have used the gen 1 A2Z over a dozen times with Rivian including in 95 degree weather and in full sun and had no issues and charging at peak R1T rate around 217kw. Once you’ve used the lock a couple times it’s second nature. Like seeing a pro model, but see no reason to upgrade.
Hey Tom! Love your videos my friend as always! One quick note. Tesla supercharging can be stopped by pressing the round circle on the NACS plug (you would use this button to open the charge port on a Tesla vehicle). This is how I stop charging sessions and it works great! Now if we could get that button to open and close the charge port on other EVs the experience would be perfect 😀
Just ordered the A2Z Pro Tom. Another month push back by Ford on my free adapter so I'm going to give the A2Z a shot on my Lightning extended range to take some care free road trips. Thanks for the awesome review!
Since you have contacts inside Tesla, can you ask why the adapters are not being shipped for Ford vehicles? If I am not mistaken, it has been a couple of months since anyone received adapters. It's hard to tell, there's 37 pages of discussion over on the Mach e forum about this. There's a phone number on the order site that says you can call Tesla and ask about the status of your order, but from what I read, when people do they are just being told there is no update.
With the Lectron CCS to Tesla adapter, I had trouble separating the adapter from the CCS plug on an ABB fast charger at the Midwest Renewable Energy Association’s “2024 Energy Fair“ event this past June. I have informed Lectron of this issue. They informed me that they have not tested their adapter with ABB fast chargers.
So I have a Honda Prologue. Do you think I will be able to Tesla charge when GM vehicles are authorized? I ordered the Typhoon Pro using your discount code.
I also have a Prologue and about to order the A2Z Typhoon Pro. Have you received yours yet? Can you confirm that it works on Tesla Supercharger? I read that you need to set up the Tesla App Vehicle to Chevy Blazer EV. I setup the app with the Prologue, the Supercharger close to me did not show up. When I changed to Chevy Blazer EV, it did.
@@jeffthomas7383 Yes, I received the A2Z Typhoon Pro adapter. I confirmed that I can charge at the Tesla Supercharger stations available to the Chevy Blazer platform. I did just as you did: I set my vehicle to 2024 Chevy Blazer. The Supercharger down the street appears available. I went over there, plugged in, and initiated the charge in the Tesla app. I was at 32% SOC and was able to pull 130 kWh. I went to 50% in 8 minutes. One thing - make sure you read the instructions for the adapter. They specify that you plug it into the vehicle first and then plug the Tesla cable into the adapter. When finished, detach the Tesla cable first (you must click the adapter release button). After detaching the Tesla cable, you can then remove the adapter from your car.
I have the 1st version and should get my free Ford/Tesla adapter in a couple weeks. Like many of your viewers I got the A2Z because I wanted to do a long road trip and my favoured route had Tesla Chargers and nothing else (Valemont, Clearwater BC). I now go to a Tesla Charger to warm my battery while getting a coffee before going on a L2 at work. I will try plugging the adapter in first next time but I always use the disconnect button by the charging port to end the session. BTW, thanks for your videos, excepting yourself, nobody explains this stuff very well. Just wondering if you'd do OBD adapters and Apps. I have a 'Vgate iCar Pro Bluetooth 4.0' and use CarScanner on my iPhone and I use that to monitor my HV and 12v SOC and other aspects like battery temperature. Doing that I have had issues with my 12v battery and discovered I left an Air Pump plugged in my USB port in the back :D. It wasn't the scanner (which has a low power mode) but now I'm being a bit careful and now there is a 'battery protection' mode on my 12v in FordPass which seems to help. Some discussion about 12v systems might be cool.
Don't bother with an adapter. You will never find a tesla supercharger u can use it with. I live in the silicon Valley, about 40 miles from tesla headquarters and manufacturing facility. There is only 1 available supercharger within about a 200 mile radius of me (Scots Valley). Nothing in San Jose or San Francisco or any of the cities in between. There's one in placerville, but nothing in Sacramento or en route. Nothing in Tahoe either. Along i5 and i101 between sacramento and Los Angeles (400+ miles), there are none. Don't waste your money. There are many hundreds of superchargers for tesla though, but only for tesla.
Just got the new Typhoon Pro adapter today, 8/15/24. Will be using it with my Rivian. I ordered it the same day it became available to order, July 6. (Thanks for the coupon code!!) Mine indicated it shipped on 8/5/24 but in actuality, that was the date the label was made and it didn’t really leave the UPS facility until 8/9/24.The exterior box was pretty beaten up and it didn’t come in the white box you got but it was in a form fitted travel case and appears to be in good shape. It still has the exposed screws yours has-no rubber coverings as you mentioned you were told it would come with in your video. Does that mean I got a preproduction version like yours or did they decide not to cover the exposed screws? Also, the instructions have a caution note “Always safeguard the NACS to CCS1 Adapter from moisture, water, and foreign objects…”. Does this mean you shouldn’t use it in inclement weather conditions? I would hope they only mean not to expose the connection points from moisture and that it would be a sealed unit while charging. Thanks for all of your videos and reviews. They are extremely helpful.
Hello Tom, I’m a new BMW ev owner. I’m confused about using a Tesla charger. Can any non Tesla owner use the tesla chargers or does the car have to be approved?
I ordered a A2Z first of July, then saw the pro the next day. I was hoping they would ship the new version, but I just received the V1. Oh well I like the V2 design better.
Yeah, I thought about that later. But I have plugged in with the others at high SOC and still didn't see 170. But as I said, it has nothing to do with the adapter.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughneylikely because your battery was nice and cool since you had just driven from home to the Supercharger. In the heat I’ve been getting horrible speeds with the Supercharger Network. I was getting as slow as 68kW off boost. I went to an EA next and was getting 114kW off boost. I think the Supercharger cables are subpar and can’t handle the high heat where the fat bulky EA cables handle the heat much better.
Yes it cost more. In the Tesla app it shows the cost at each charging station. I have a Tesla and a GM vehicle. In the Tesla app it shows me; let’s say $0.32 cents per kilowatt but if i go into the menu “charge your non tesla” the chargers have a higher price, I’ve seen $0.49 cents average.
Nice to see A2Z updated the adapter to match feedback. I will say on my plain A2Z with my Lightning on a supercharger last month I got 172 or 174 kwh for a while. So I think it is more the supercharger software than which version of the A2Z it is. Also that my A2Z was a holy bugger to get the Tesla to plug into it. An extra 1/2mm of wiggle room would have been nice!
I have a 2023 Ford Lighting and I have had some issues with the charging system (or not). I also have an EMPORIA Level 2 EV Charger that I use to charge my truck. I have the Amps set to 48amps when I originally bought it and it charged my truck with no problem. Then after some time it would not charge, I immediately thought it was the charger. After contacting and troubleshooting that system, I was sent another. And low and behold, the same problem existed. I then took my truck to the dealer to have it checked, I was told that they could not find any problems with the charging system. So, I hurried home to try out another charger, and what do you know, no change. The charger starts charging and once it hits 40amp it kicks off and starts over. Is there something that has changed in the last 2 months with Ford or is it Emporia, why can’t I go over 40amps to charge my 2023 For F150 Lighting.
When will ANY OTHER EV get Tesla access? Seems like everyone involved just put a big stop all work on this after Rivian and Ford got it very early this year. I know, everyone is saying "Soon". Well that's been said for 4 months now.
I have the original A2Z NACS to CCS1 adapter and I am happy they improved the design with the pro but also a little annoyed with how quickly it came out. Kind of feels like I just purchased a prototype, especially since I do have the issue with the NACS latch Tom talked about. On my unit the latch works thankfully but it’s very tight and a little hard to get it locked in.
Have you heard about issues where Rivian’s plugged into Tesla Wall connector there are issues where the home breakers are melting? Everything is fine when plugged into a Tesla but when a Rivian via adapter there is a noise and some are having the melting issue.
A2Z is telling me that my priority order is on hold now while some changes are being made. I originally ordered the first version that was delivered as the PRO version was being announced.
We have a Mercedes EQE SUV. What adapter can we use for NACS to CCS? Will these void our warranty? I don’t seem to be able to get an answer from Mercedes. Any Mercedes drivers out there using an adapter and what brand?
Mercedes EVs are not authorized to use Tesla Superchargers yet so no adapter will work. We're expecting it to happen sometime in the next few months, though. Any of the adapters in my video will work and are 100% safe to use, although when MB gets Supercharger access, they may have their own rules o which ones they want you to use.
Ordered the combo of the Pro and the J1772 adapter as soon as I took delivery of my MME Rally. Also requested the official adapter but that is estimated to get here in October.
One word of caution on using third party adapters. I have the original A2Z Typhoon adapter and I have used it about a dozen times with my R1T. The last time I used it, I received an error in my truck stating "Charging speed slower, Warm plug detected". I was only able to charge up to about 50kW. Ambient temperature was about 60 degrees F. I unplugged and re-started the session and I was able to charge at full speed. But then I started to get the error on both EA and RAN chargers. Initially I could just restart the session to get full speed, but eventually this stopped working and I am now only able to charge at about 50kW on all CCS chargers. My R1T is now in service being repaired. The service center did not explicitly state that it was caused by the A2Z adapter, but they told me not to use a third party adapter in the future. They stated that the repair my cost as much as $5,000. They are covering the repair under warranty for me, but I imagine that in the future they may not.
Hi Micheal, This is very unlikely that the adapter caused this. We are very interested in knowing the outcome of your situation and repairs with Rivian. Truly, this is the first time we hear something like this despite having ten’s thousands of adapters being used worldwide everyday. We have sent you an email. Thank you.
I cannot thank you enough for this video and the related ones on the NACS-to-CCS1 adapters. They are brilliantly done. You provided exactly the information I needed when I needed it. I just ordered the A2Z Typhoon Pro so I can take a trip through some remote areas of the country only serviced by Tesla Superchargers in my Rivian R1S. Thanks for the discount code!
We bought the Lectron Vortex and had the difficult to disconnect issue. We sent it back and received an updated replacement which we’ve not been able to properly test on either our BMW iX or Volvo C40. Since we plan to carry an adapter in each car we may give the A2Z a try. I like that it comes in a padded case.
Thanks Tom for the valuable info!
Thanks Tom, great to see A2Z being very progressive in continual improvements to their design and your resulting review shows how good this newest version adapter really is!
Glad you posted this! I've ordered one of these new PRO models. Of course, I won't be able to use it for quite a while, but I want to be ready when my EV is finally given the Supercharger green light.
5:15 Appreciate the update. As an Ioniq 6 owner in Fargo Tesla is the major higher power network around in ND. But in the next year higher power chargers are popping up. Time I guess.
I'd really like you to see a review of either an adapter or an EVSE that is of poor quality so you can actually show us the issues of getting a cheap knockoff online.
Thanks for the review and tips. Really looking forward to using the A2Z Typhoon Pro and using the Tesla Superchargers. That will really help with my travels.
You showed the Wet Rag "Trick". Tesla is sending the police to your house. :) :)
No rush here to charge at 1👀kW with an adapter. By the time they add the IONIQ 5 as a vehicles that can charge; it’ll probably have a native J3400 inlet. Hope Charge Point, EVgo and EA builds have better cable cooling. Nice video Tom💯 30:58
Stopping charging from pressing the button on the NACS handle means pressing the little dot on the Supercharger handle. That safely ends charging before unlocking the adapter.
Correct. I should have mentioned that
Thanks for the review. Just got notified by Ford that my complimentary adapter has been pushed to September; originally, was May. So... ordered the A2Z Pro adapter. Used your discount code. :-)
I'm using the Original Version of the A to Z adapter (also thanks for the discount code), and I was able to pull 173KW from a St. George Utah Supercharger July 14th. I was so suprised I took a screenshot I'm happy to share, but I think it's from what they call the 10% boost that Ford BMS offers when first plugging in .. Plugged in at 3:32pm @ 51% and I the truck said I would reach 90% by 4:24pm which as you know the last 10% is the bulk of that time.. ~ edit on my 2023 Ford Lightning
I just received my A2Z. Tom is right, this is heavy - you don't want to get hit with this thing.
I thought it odd that the two stage release trigger released the NACS cable secondarily, even though it should be disconnected first. The video shows Tom compensating by getting a good grip on the adapter to keep the connection to the car while removing the cable.
The previous version of the adapter (and the official Tesla adapter) instructed us to put the dispenser plug into adapter BEFORE plugging into the vehicle. The claim was for safety.
So I don't understand why they're now instructing us to plug the adapter into the vehicle BEFORE putting the dispenser plug into the adapter? Why was it not safe in the first version of adapter but now is? I assume they've made some technical change, but would love to know the details.
I got mine as promised but yet to ever get to use it on my bolt. Now it’s 1st gen already i now feel like I’m behind. I feel like the peasant of adapters.
Hey Tom, thank you for the updated A2Z NACS adapter video. Wanted to know if A2Z would exchange the older version I have to the pro version ?
The biggest issue I have with lectron is customer service is only through email and do not have an actual phone number to call.
If you have purchased recently, I believe there's an exchange program?
You cannot simply return it for the new one. Tech products are always improving quickly, the same goes for smartphones, a couple months after buying one it's no longer the latest version. If it breaks, or stops working in some way, you can return it under warranty, but you can't just I want the new one so take this back.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney either way , I will try to see if they would be willing to send me the new one since GM has not open the Tesla superchargers for me to use. I will let you know what happens with A2Z once I speak to them
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Any idea when Hyundai and Genesis will be authorized to use Tesla SC?
J3400 needs something like apple mifi certification so that the public have an idea of the product quality
There are enough Electrify America chargers (most of the chargers work) at almost all Wal-Mart these days across the nation. Not sure why we do have to worry about having to go to Tesla chargers.
EA is unreliable and if you travel to/through very rural areas that are far away from interstates, you need all of the options you can get at your disposal.
The EV charging network is getting pretty decent, but there are still places that you can’t really get to/from, especially during the hot Summer when EVs hit thermal capacity issues.
@@yayinternets I just completed a trip from North NJ to San Diego CA on Nissan Ariya. I was able to charge at every Wal-mart on my trip (in Oklahamo I had to rely on previously unheard Francis chargers). I agree one or two chargers were unavailable at a few locations, but majority of them were in working condition.
I disagree, maybe your neck of the woods the network is fine, but in the west it’s not even close. The EA charge stations we do have are unreliable and slow. The access to the Tesla network has been a game changer out here.
Yeah I'm calling bull residue on GM getting access to teslas network.
Chevy customer service told me the adaptor will be sold through their app but, didn't know the price of it.
Thanks Tom for the information on the A2Z pro I will be purchasing one when VW decides to go with Tesla Chargers. Do you have any Idea when that will be?? Thanks again
I'm still new to EVs so this may be a stupid question, but what is the big reason for wanting an adapter to connect to Tesla chargers? Is it just as simple as giving yourself more options for fast charging, or is there some other advantage?
Can you use the Typhoon pro or any ccs1/nacs adapter with level 2 charging?
No. None will
Dose this only work with Ford or Will this work with an Ioniq 5 or do I have to wait till Hyundai rolls their adapter out?
You have to wait
Will it work on bmw i4?
Honest question: what is wrong with the first generation adapter ? Why would they discounted it so abruptly and introduce a pre-order second gen? Seems like something was seriously wrong with the first gen.
The locking mechanism on the version 1 of the adapter was not the most intuitive, we did have to help a lot of customers with it, because many of them thought the lock was automatic and they couldn’t charge. As an EVSE company, our goal is to provide easy to use products and version 1 was not the easiest to use. A radical change was needed, we don’t like wasting time or delaying changes, this is not us.
Thank you.
Is it possible to charge a Taycan with these adaptors with a Tesla supercharger?
Looks like a good option, now I just have to wait until I can use a VW in a super charger…
Tom, thank you for this video. Since the Ford Lightning and Mach E have a pin to lock the dc fast connector or adapter with a locking pin. How does the car know when to release the pin so you can remove the adapter since there is no power flowing through it because you have to disconnect the nacs cable first ? I am concerned the adapter will be stuck on the car because the locking pin wont release.
As soon as you stop charging it unlocks. On my Mach E i usually press the button next to the charge port to stop. When you do you hear it unlock.
@@RickNoppenberger Thank you.
Can these adapters be used in tandem with the ccs to chademo?
Ford and Tesla need to use A2Z to make their adapter. Second to last day of the month of my latest promised ship date from for and now pushed to September. You know “soon” …. And yet Ford practically remains silent ….. loosing the message battle.
Will this adapter serve level 2 Tesla destination chargers as well as dcfc?
No. Just dc charging.
No. None of these adapters will work on AC. If they did they would be unsafe
If not can you recommend a level2 nacs adapter
@@tjackele Lectron makes one.
I tested this with my Orignal A to Z adapter, the truck see the DC pins are connected & the level 2 wont communicate with the truck, it just says problem with cahrging session... but it's because the truck is looking for DC power & it's not present on the connector.. .. You can order an AC adapter but i've not tried it just know they make an AC to AC version.
Lectron keeps error out and it will never go over 66 percent on my rivian.
Can use for equinox ev and audi q8 etron?
Yes. Once those vehicles are Supercharger enabled, which they aren't yet.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney when then??? Can you ask those car makers????
Lightning owner wants to know if the Tesla adapter will be plug and charge thru the Ford network or will you need to use the Tesla app to start charging?
It works and charges you through the Ford app. You could alternately charge through the Tesla app if you wanted to, but you'd need to first turn off Plug & Charge in the Lightning.
I believe you must first have prioity update 24-PU0119-DCCHG4. "www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/priority-update-24-pu0119-dc-chg4-tesla-supercharger-network.18550/ " to get plug and charge compatibility. I have the update, but not the adapter yet.
My Mach e with a2z adapter works fine with plug and pay on supercharger
New PS2 DM LR owner. Will this work for me?
I read these are not approved or certified by Tesla. If this is true, what is stopping Tesla from blocking third party adapters?
The handshaking signals are just passed through the adapter. The Tesla charger can tell what car is connected, but it can't tell what adapter it is connected through.
I think that 2nd push down to unlock the NACS side is a confusing design. How many people are not going to watch this video or read the manual to understand you have to push a tad more?
It's in the owner's manual...
It might be confusing but it allows for a one handed pull out of the adapter from the car. IOW, the adapter and NACS come out as one piece, then you can separate the adapter from NACS.
Anyone know if or when Mercedes will have access to Tesla Superchargers?
They will, but there's no clear timeline for when.
Don't bother with a charger adaptor. There practically no stations available to non tesla. I live near San jose, California. There are maybe 5 available stations within a 150 mile radius I can use according to the Tesla app.
So this adapter is not approved for Audi?
It's not officially "approved" for any automaker. Audi vehicles aren't compatible with Tesla Superchargers yet, so no adapter will work with Audi EVs
Will it work on the new Chevy EV equinox
It will once Chevrolet opens up Supercharger access - which should be very soon
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Just took delivery of a WT 4 and ordered a grizzl-e 80 amp charger based on your video with ceo of grizzl-e. Can you tell me how many miles i should expect. I cant find anything from chevy stating miles per hour for the silverado ev at 80amps. Thank you Tom!!
Things have been pretty sad for my Spark EV. When I used the Magicdock and the long bar at the top clearly prevented the clasp on the car from engaging. Also, the Delta EVgo units just give error codes and alot of the Nouria Schneider Electric units will fast-fail without hesitation. Why does 50kW of DC power need to be so complicated?! 98k and I wish i had baught pretty much any gas car! Ive spoke to EvGo time and time again and they just read from their script and obviously could care less.
Unfortunately, GM has basically orphaned the Spark EV. It was a low-production compliance car, and the company doesn't provide any ongoing support to the EV charging networks to help with compatibility issues - I know this for a fact. If GM wanted to solve these problems, the charging companies would be happy to fix them, but they cannot without GM's cooperation.
On another ford topic …. Are the going stay with j1772 …. For plug in hybrid in model year 26’ …. You ask at a ford dealership and you get nothing but a blank look …. Surprised they did not say “soon” … PS I get plug in won’t have DC fast charging but going with j1127 I can’t have one charger in garage without adapter …. Joy back to another adapter
Is there really a difference to stop charging via app or screen VS the button on the handle/adapter? I don't recall any difference in delay whether I stop via screen or handle button. Or at least it doesn't feel different enough where the AC-DC converter capacitors would have time to discharge before opening the contactor.
Unless it's a fraction of a second difference and that's enough. Would be interesting to learn more on that.
Still not approved to use on ford trucks .
Tesla does not want a wet rag on handle and claims wet rag does not improve charge speed. Thoughts?
DONT USE THE A2Z Adapter on a Rivian. It will limp (Turtle mode) mode your truck. I just got mine and used it twice. Over heated the port… Buyer Beware!!!!
So it's "Karen proof"? (as in, someone else can't disconnect the supercharger cable from the adapter if the car is locked)
If so, great!
I had not heard of this before and hope it is true. Every time I've used my A2Z adapter, I've stayed with the truck to make sure it wasn't stolen.
@@SCSLead As far as I know, the adapter itself gets locked, so no one would be able to steal it, but other designs won't lock the sable side, so someone could interrupt your charging session.
@@surturiel Correct
I'd suggest it's possibly Karen-resistant.
Last Friday I was at the Tesla Supercharger in Wisconsin Dells when a Rivian R1S and Ford Mustang Mach-E stopped to charge using the A2Z NACS to CCS1 Adapter. Both owners had trouble getting their adapter to lock so they could continue to charge.
In light of the new development that you are reporting on today with the release of their Gen 2 product, I would highly recommend that A2Z reach out to their customers and offer them a free upgrade of to the new and improved Gen 2 adapter.
Lol
If someone with the 1st gen has a problem with the adapter not working, they can sens it back for a replacement in which case they will get the new one.
This maybe true but I think the onus is on A2Z to reach out to their customers whenever possible to inform them of such situations where they offer a free upgrade to an engineering defect on such a critical charging component.
A lot of these EV owners are newbies to the electric vehicle world . They may think there is something wrong with them as to how they are using the adapter not that there is an engineering defect in the product.
This solves the biggest problem i have with the other adapters by default. With the other adapters, someone could unplug the NACS handle from your vehicle and cut the charging session early. With this change, if your vehicle has locked on to the adapter, the adapter will be locked on to the NACS handle in a way that can not be messed with externally.
Not really. They can just press the button to unlock it.
Just ordered ours less than a week ago quickly went to check if it was a Pro and luckily it was. Can’t wait to receive it. Thank you for all the information you provide.
I'd be pretty pissed if I was Tesla and people were lubing my connectors because a third-party manufacturer couldn't get a clearance fit in a mold correct.
I agree
What makes you think that the variation causing the problem isn’t variation in the Tesla connectors, rather than the adapters? The adapters had to be made “looser” to accommodate the likely variation in the Tesla connectors due to age and condition.
Hey Tom just wanted to let you know I will be using your coupon code to purchase the new ccs Nacs adapter typhoon pro. Thank you very much. I appreciate you
Have used the gen 1 A2Z over a dozen times with Rivian including in 95 degree weather and in full sun and had no issues and charging at peak R1T rate around 217kw. Once you’ve used the lock a couple times it’s second nature. Like seeing a pro model, but see no reason to upgrade.
A-Z should be commended for improvement of their product based on customer experiences so rapidly.
Hey Tom! Love your videos my friend as always! One quick note. Tesla supercharging can be stopped by pressing the round circle on the NACS plug (you would use this button to open the charge port on a Tesla vehicle). This is how I stop charging sessions and it works great! Now if we could get that button to open and close the charge port on other EVs the experience would be perfect 😀
Yes, I should have mentioned that.
Just ordered the A2Z Pro Tom. Another month push back by Ford on my free adapter so I'm going to give the A2Z a shot on my Lightning extended range to take some care free road trips. Thanks for the awesome review!
Since you have contacts inside Tesla, can you ask why the adapters are not being shipped for Ford vehicles? If I am not mistaken, it has been a couple of months since anyone received adapters. It's hard to tell, there's 37 pages of discussion over on the Mach e forum about this.
There's a phone number on the order site that says you can call Tesla and ask about the status of your order, but from what I read, when people do they are just being told there is no update.
With the Lectron CCS to Tesla adapter, I had trouble separating the adapter from the CCS plug on an ABB fast charger at the Midwest Renewable Energy Association’s “2024 Energy Fair“ event this past June.
I have informed Lectron of this issue. They informed me that they have not tested their adapter with ABB fast chargers.
So I have a Honda Prologue. Do you think I will be able to Tesla charge when GM vehicles are authorized? I ordered the Typhoon Pro using your discount code.
I also have a Prologue and about to order the A2Z Typhoon Pro. Have you received yours yet? Can you confirm that it works on Tesla Supercharger? I read that you need to set up the Tesla App Vehicle to Chevy Blazer EV. I setup the app with the Prologue, the Supercharger close to me did not show up. When I changed to Chevy Blazer EV, it did.
@@jeffthomas7383 Yes, I received the A2Z Typhoon Pro adapter. I confirmed that I can charge at the Tesla Supercharger stations available to the Chevy Blazer platform. I did just as you did: I set my vehicle to 2024 Chevy Blazer. The Supercharger down the street appears available. I went over there, plugged in, and initiated the charge in the Tesla app. I was at 32% SOC and was able to pull 130 kWh. I went to 50% in 8 minutes. One thing - make sure you read the instructions for the adapter. They specify that you plug it into the vehicle first and then plug the Tesla cable into the adapter. When finished, detach the Tesla cable first (you must click the adapter release button). After detaching the Tesla cable, you can then remove the adapter from your car.
Also, any news on Volvo/Polestar date of access?
No just like no news for anyone else
By the end of 2024
I ordered it using your discount code. Thanks for the $20 off.
I have the 1st version and should get my free Ford/Tesla adapter in a couple weeks. Like many of your viewers I got the A2Z because I wanted to do a long road trip and my favoured route had Tesla Chargers and nothing else (Valemont, Clearwater BC). I now go to a Tesla Charger to warm my battery while getting a coffee before going on a L2 at work. I will try plugging the adapter in first next time but I always use the disconnect button by the charging port to end the session. BTW, thanks for your videos, excepting yourself, nobody explains this stuff very well. Just wondering if you'd do OBD adapters and Apps. I have a 'Vgate iCar Pro Bluetooth 4.0' and use CarScanner on my iPhone and I use that to monitor my HV and 12v SOC and other aspects like battery temperature. Doing that I have had issues with my 12v battery and discovered I left an Air Pump plugged in my USB port in the back :D. It wasn't the scanner (which has a low power mode) but now I'm being a bit careful and now there is a 'battery protection' mode on my 12v in FordPass which seems to help. Some discussion about 12v systems might be cool.
Tom, you are correct, the original A2Z Typhoon adapter instructions state to connect it to the NACS cable first, then insert into your charge port.
So are you saying that with this adapter, from A2Z, I can charge my 2024 Porsche Taycan using a Tesla Charger? Really?
Don't bother with an adapter. You will never find a tesla supercharger u can use it with. I live in the silicon Valley, about 40 miles from tesla headquarters and manufacturing facility. There is only 1 available supercharger within about a 200 mile radius of me (Scots Valley). Nothing in San Jose or San Francisco or any of the cities in between. There's one in placerville, but nothing in Sacramento or en route. Nothing in Tahoe either. Along i5 and i101 between sacramento and Los Angeles (400+ miles), there are none. Don't waste your money. There are many hundreds of superchargers for tesla though, but only for tesla.
Just got the new Typhoon Pro adapter today, 8/15/24. Will be using it with my Rivian. I ordered it the same day it became available to order, July 6. (Thanks for the coupon code!!) Mine indicated it shipped on 8/5/24 but in actuality, that was the date the label was made and it didn’t really leave the UPS facility until 8/9/24.The exterior box was pretty beaten up and it didn’t come in the white box you got but it was in a form fitted travel case and appears to be in good shape. It still has the exposed screws yours has-no rubber coverings as you mentioned you were told it would come with in your video. Does that mean I got a preproduction version like yours or did they decide not to cover the exposed screws? Also, the instructions have a caution note “Always safeguard the NACS to CCS1 Adapter from moisture, water, and foreign objects…”. Does this mean you shouldn’t use it in inclement weather conditions? I would hope they only mean not to expose the connection points from moisture and that it would be a sealed unit while charging.
Thanks for all of your videos and reviews. They are extremely helpful.
Hello Tom, I’m a new BMW ev owner. I’m confused about using a Tesla charger. Can any non Tesla owner use the tesla chargers or does the car have to be approved?
When is Hyundai/ Kia/Genesis get onboard and get a NACS adapter approval? In 2024 they claim the #2 seller spot in USA.
I ordered a A2Z first of July, then saw the pro the next day. I was hoping they would ship the new version, but I just received the V1. Oh well I like the V2 design better.
It is a better design, but the original one works just fine.
Much obliged.
You saw more power because you were at 45% when you started the charge because of the Ford Boost charge curve. Nothing to do with the adapter.
Yeah, I thought about that later. But I have plugged in with the others at high SOC and still didn't see 170. But as I said, it has nothing to do with the adapter.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughneylikely because your battery was nice and cool since you had just driven from home to the Supercharger.
In the heat I’ve been getting horrible speeds with the Supercharger Network. I was getting as slow as 68kW off boost. I went to an EA next and was getting 114kW off boost. I think the Supercharger cables are subpar and can’t handle the high heat where the fat bulky EA cables handle the heat much better.
How much weight can can the female end on the car handle?
I would think a lot. It seats far in and is very secure
how much does Tesla bill for non Tesla usage ? does the electricity cost more
Yes it cost more. In the Tesla app it shows the cost at each charging station. I have a Tesla and a GM vehicle. In the Tesla app it shows me; let’s say $0.32 cents per kilowatt but if i go into the menu “charge your non tesla” the chargers have a higher price, I’ve seen $0.49 cents average.
I'm pretty sure you can push the white button next to the port on the truck to stop charging?
You can. The Tesla connector itself has a communication that will shut off charging safely, the other connectors and adapters don't
Would this also work with Tesla Wall Connector / Tesla Destination Charger? Thanks
No
Nice to see A2Z updated the adapter to match feedback. I will say on my plain A2Z with my Lightning on a supercharger last month I got 172 or 174 kwh for a while. So I think it is more the supercharger software than which version of the A2Z it is.
Also that my A2Z was a holy bugger to get the Tesla to plug into it. An extra 1/2mm of wiggle room would have been nice!
4:10 NIIIIICE!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:30 What preventing someone from disconnecting this cable while you are away drinking coffee?
Tom - I may be confused - the A2Z (or any adapter) won't work with say, a VW ID.4 or Ioniq 5? Even if you have a Tesla account and their app?
Correct. Not yet
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney thanks for the confirmation. Hopefully, this changes soon.
I ordered the A2Z Typhoon two weeks ago and it still has not shipped.
That's because the switch from the original Typhoon to the new Typhoon Pro
I have a 2023 Ford Lighting and I have had some issues with the charging system (or not). I also have an EMPORIA Level 2 EV Charger that I use to charge my truck. I have the Amps set to 48amps when I originally bought it and it charged my truck with no problem. Then after some time it would not charge, I immediately thought it was the charger. After contacting and troubleshooting that system, I was sent another. And low and behold, the same problem existed. I then took my truck to the dealer to have it checked, I was told that they could not find any problems with the charging system. So, I hurried home to try out another charger, and what do you know, no change. The charger starts charging and once it hits 40amp it kicks off and starts over.
Is there something that has changed in the last 2 months with Ford or is it Emporia, why can’t I go over 40amps to charge my 2023 For F150 Lighting.
When will ANY OTHER EV get Tesla access? Seems like everyone involved just put a big stop all work on this after Rivian and Ford got it very early this year. I know, everyone is saying "Soon". Well that's been said for 4 months now.
I have the original A2Z NACS to CCS1 adapter and I am happy they improved the design with the pro but also a little annoyed with how quickly it came out. Kind of feels like I just purchased a prototype, especially since I do have the issue with the NACS latch Tom talked about. On my unit the latch works thankfully but it’s very tight and a little hard to get it locked in.
Thanks! ….. Waiting for either UL certification. I’m keen to have this adaptor on hand for a cross country trip this winter!
Have you heard about issues where Rivian’s plugged into Tesla Wall connector there are issues where the home breakers are melting?
Everything is fine when plugged into a Tesla but when a Rivian via adapter there is a noise and some are having the melting issue.
A2Z is telling me that my priority order is on hold now while some changes are being made. I originally ordered the first version that was delivered as the PRO version was being announced.
We have a Mercedes EQE SUV. What adapter can we use for NACS to CCS? Will these void our warranty? I don’t seem to be able to get an answer from Mercedes. Any Mercedes drivers out there using an adapter and what brand?
Mercedes EVs are not authorized to use Tesla Superchargers yet so no adapter will work. We're expecting it to happen sometime in the next few months, though. Any of the adapters in my video will work and are 100% safe to use, although when MB gets Supercharger access, they may have their own rules o which ones they want you to use.
We are ready to do a road trip, so I guess we’re out of luck?
Ordered the combo of the Pro and the J1772 adapter as soon as I took delivery of my MME Rally.
Also requested the official adapter but that is estimated to get here in October.
Have you got any insight as to when the 500 EV vehicles from Nissan will gain access to Tesla Suoerchargers?
I am not in a hurry to get any of these adapters. Hyundai EVs aren’t likely to have SC access until next year at the earliest.
Any idea when BMW will be able to use the Tesla charging network? I'm hearing 2025
Thanks for the discount code
when will we see 2024 e-transit reviews
One word of caution on using third party adapters. I have the original A2Z Typhoon adapter and I have used it about a dozen times with my R1T. The last time I used it, I received an error in my truck stating "Charging speed slower, Warm plug detected". I was only able to charge up to about 50kW. Ambient temperature was about 60 degrees F. I unplugged and re-started the session and I was able to charge at full speed. But then I started to get the error on both EA and RAN chargers. Initially I could just restart the session to get full speed, but eventually this stopped working and I am now only able to charge at about 50kW on all CCS chargers.
My R1T is now in service being repaired. The service center did not explicitly state that it was caused by the A2Z adapter, but they told me not to use a third party adapter in the future. They stated that the repair my cost as much as $5,000. They are covering the repair under warranty for me, but I imagine that in the future they may not.
Hi Micheal,
This is very unlikely that the adapter caused this. We are very interested in knowing the outcome of your situation and repairs with Rivian. Truly, this is the first time we hear something like this despite having ten’s thousands of adapters being used worldwide everyday.
We have sent you an email.
Thank you.