How the Long Night Will Unfold in the Books?

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  • Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
  • The Long Night is one of the most terrifying prophecies in A Song of Ice and Fire, but how will it actually unfold in the books? In this video, we explore how the Long Night might happen and discuss three possible solutions to the conflict. From ancient magic to key characters like Jon Snow, Daenerys Targaryen, and Bran Stark, we examine the theories that could bring an end to the darkness. Will it take an alliance of fire and ice, a forgotten weapon, or something even more mysterious to stop the White Walkers and their undead army?
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  • @awesomeaman113
    @awesomeaman113 3 дні тому +61

    Option 4: A peaceful solution is almost made, only for the others to be tricked, betrayed, and defeated by humanity.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +20

      In yet another statement of how shitty we as humans can act....yeah that checks out! 😂 Thanks for watching my awesome friend! Liam

    • @awesomeaman113
      @awesomeaman113 3 дні тому

      @@TheFandomeClips anytime

    • @clownpendotfart
      @clownpendotfart 3 дні тому +5

      "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." - Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts

    • @gladiatorgreyman1285
      @gladiatorgreyman1285 2 дні тому

      @@awesomeaman113 I’ve always thought this would be the ending. You see someone like Bran make a poor peace deal with the Others, just to have both Bran and the Others killed by someone like Jon or Dany.

  • @tabularasa7350
    @tabularasa7350 3 дні тому +41

    Got ending series was the worse ending not because it was bad, but because it destroyed what could of been the best epic series in tv history.

    • @brandonking2679
      @brandonking2679 3 дні тому +1

      Exactly….some bloody long night it was over by about 11.30

  • @HDVisionzx
    @HDVisionzx 3 дні тому +34

    I wouldn't be surprised if they did manage to achieve some type of peace agreement, but Bran with his seemingly lack of humanity now, overlooked humanity's senseless greed. In this case, Little Finger. The man causing the agreement to be voided after he tried to take advantage of it all. Both sides then have to fight till the death, leaving a bittersweet ending where humanity won, but the senseless genocide of the walkers still occurred.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +2

      That bastard is always undermining the starks so that makes a lot of sense in fairness 😂
      Thanks for watching! Liam

  • @AvalonFierce
    @AvalonFierce 3 дні тому +14

    An all out war for survival where the living win is not necessarily against the anti-war themes of the series if you make the victory phyrric and meaningless. You could make the cost of war and victory so great that Westeros itself can no longer sustain life, for example.

    • @paulchristensen7
      @paulchristensen7 3 дні тому

      And if the Others win it could show how much division and warfare between humanity paved the way for a bigger threat to swoop in. Fits the metaphor for climate change.

  • @Domanese
    @Domanese 3 дні тому +8

    Again, Im thinking a bit of options 1 and 3. I believe that the Night King needs to be replaced, and that's why the dead are coming. They seek a prince that was promised. But for that to happen said King needs to either die or pass the mantle.
    Keeping with that bittersweet vibe of humans fucking shit up further, lets get into what impressions your video gave me.
    I mentioned in the past video that something more clandestine than an all-out war is needed to deal with the Night King. Keeping to that Arya as a faceless assassin whilst the living draw the Night King out.
    They succeed... only to realize now that all of the dead are rising to attack the living. Not just by the Night Kings hand but in catastrophic fashion, every grave and every dead body in Westeros is rising. Oops.
    Bran realizes too late that the Night King keeps the dead from rising uncontrollably. The children of the forest did curse the living during that first war, and this ritual seen of the Night King being created was the means to hold said curse at bay. But Bran now knows how to create a new Night King.
    Jon Snow and Dany realize someone needs to be that magic anchor, and it has to be one with the blood of a dragon. And in a sad and bitter moment, the two rivals turned lovers have to decide who dies to become the next Night King. And more than likely, it's Jon. The prince that was promised to become the next Night King.
    Haven't gotten as far as to say what happens next, but this seems plausible. Keeping in line with the "war is bad" theme and has the bitterswet knife twist Martin is known for.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +2

      I love the idea of all the dead rising everywhere, all the pointless wars of the living coming back to bite them on the ass would be an excellent little piece of bitter irony.
      As for the Theory I do think ethier Jon or Dany will need to sacrifice themselves in some capacity.
      Thanks for watching as always buddy! Liam

  • @timothy121391332god
    @timothy121391332god 3 дні тому +7

    What’s amazing is this dropped exactly when I finished the first part. Great timing

    • @LisaAnn777
      @LisaAnn777 3 дні тому

      It was all part of the Lord of lights plan!

  • @LordBloodraven
    @LordBloodraven 3 дні тому +14

    At this point, my prediction is that the Long Night will deplete the armies of the protagonists we've been rooting for. In the aftermath, it will be a pyrrhic victory as they'll be too weakened to resist an opportunistic antagonist like Littlefinger, Cersei, or perhaps even a False Dragon. In Fire & Blood and A World of Ice & Fire, every age of peace was imperfect, often being founded after much bloodshed of good people.
    Aegon I had peace after he gave up his campaigns against Dorne that had cost so many lives, including his beloved wife.
    Jaehaerys I had the longest reign of prosperity, but it had to follow the nightmare that was Maegor's reign. He also lived so long that he created a succession crisis by outliving his heir apparent and heir presumptive.
    Even Daeron II reigned over an age of prosperity that required the death of Daemon Blackfyre and two of Daemon's sons.
    It would be entirely in keeping with Westerosi history to have an imperfect peace. With the rate things are moving, Daenerys may not arrive in Westeros in time to participate in the Long Night, finding the Iron Throne vacant, or occupied by Young Grif. She could 'peacefully' integrate herself into court at King's Landing by marrying whoever sits the Iron Throne, but may well be giving legitimacy to a 'False Dragon' who was also absent from the Battle of the Long Night.
    In chess, not every piece is critical to a grand strategy. Often times, the only pieces remaining to rule the board took little-to-no part in the endgame, simply inheriting the open space from the deceased.

    • @msmith1890
      @msmith1890 3 дні тому +2

      So the Mannis will loose his army saving the realm from the Others. Sounds like Stannis.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +2

      I really enjoyed reading your insight BR! As a fellow chess lover I enjoyed your analogy! Also good to see you in here!
      Thanks for watching mate! Liam

  • @The_Malcontented
    @The_Malcontented 3 дні тому +5

    @19:40 Imagine Bran trying to make his case to be king in THAT circumstance!

  • @scott3113
    @scott3113 3 дні тому +3

    Hot Pie is Azor Ahai. His baked goods will convince the White Walkers to a peace agreement and the living and dead will coexist contractually by way of guest right.

  • @NevG27
    @NevG27 3 дні тому +6

    Hmm, in regards to the first scenario of all out war going against George's anti-war theme, I prefer to look at the others as not an antagonist force in a typical way, but rather as an unyielding force of nature that all of humanity must band together to be able to stop. In that regards, the message is if we as humanity don't get our shit together and work as one instead of pursuing selfish goals, we're probably all gonna die.
    In that sense I dont really see a negotiation or peace ending work either, because there is no negotiation with a hurricane.
    Edit: my interpretation of a bitter sweet ending is an overall victory for the good guys (whatever that means in ASOIAF), but with huge sacrifice from the yhe characters we know and love

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      I definitely think that's a perfectly valid way of interpreting it. It has being said the others are akin to climate change.
      Bittersweet is quite a broad definition, your idea definitely fits and I have no doubt there will be some extreme sacrifice for the goodies (well the closest things to)
      Thanks for watching Nev! Liam

  • @haydenhodgson8716
    @haydenhodgson8716 3 дні тому +3

    Perfect just got home from a long day of work and now i get to rest with a bowl of ice cream with a new video. from the fandom absolutely 👏
    Thank you so much

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      Hey Hayden buddy! Good to see you as always! Hope you are well and enjoy the video! I just wanted to bring attention to a spelling error in your comment, I (and most sane people) know you mean NEW but there are idiots out there that might think your saying something offensive matey 😂
      As always thank you for tuning in buddy! Liam

    • @haydenhodgson8716
      @haydenhodgson8716 3 дні тому

      ​@TheFandomeClips ohh I didn't mean to put that. Dam keyboard. Thank you as always

  • @The_Malcontented
    @The_Malcontented 3 дні тому +3

    @1:52 I personally love the theory that ASOIAF meme pages have come up with: make hundreds of dragonglass daggers, tie them to a bunch of crows/ravens, and have the whole swarm dive-bomb the Others using Bran's warging powers (it actually makes Bran not useless FOR ONCE!) From what we've seen with Sam killing the Other, it appears getting stabbed with dragonglass is a one-hit-kill for an Other, so if 100 birds are coming at it with dragonglass all at the same time, the odds are not good for them

    • @KaiHung-wv3ul
      @KaiHung-wv3ul 3 дні тому

      This is the ASOIAF version of Legolas shooting the Ring into the volcano lol.

  • @Rebel_Lord_Taron
    @Rebel_Lord_Taron 3 дні тому +5

    I think there is also a pretty good chance that there may not actually be a big glorious epic battle with the good guys winning...
    This is very well could end with the others winning or both sides being destroyed and the planet just being there to start over again on its own

  • @professorsassafras
    @professorsassafras 3 дні тому +9

    What if the night king is the prince that was promised an is actually a resurrected Ned or Rob starks and they want to punish the world for endless senseless slaughter. Can you imagine Ned Stark turning out to be the night king all along?

  • @Rebel_Lord_Taron
    @Rebel_Lord_Taron 3 дні тому +4

    Hell yeah! So awesome we get a new video today!!

  • @mrhouse2208
    @mrhouse2208 3 дні тому +5

    Banger vid as always (didn’t watch it yet)

  • @VoiceNerd
    @VoiceNerd 3 дні тому +2

    I got to be honest that was probably the best video I've seen you guys do. This speculation was for some reason a whole lot more fun than most I've seen you guys did an excellent job on this one

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      Thanks Voicenerd. We're looking into more What If and Speculation based videos in the future.
      Thanks for watching! Liam

  • @LordWyatt
    @LordWyatt 3 дні тому +2

    I think it would be interesting for Bran (and the audience through his POV) to discover the creation of the white walkers from the Children of the Forest to fight Mankind and then it backfiring so much because they sang a song of ice but were not strong enough to end it themselves with a song of fire and thus were forced to join the Humans in the final battle or they would all die.
    It would bring culmination to a problem they created, they might even go extinct with how few of them are left, and it would give enough of the leaders pause to realize their constant bickering over petty conflicts is worse than working together for a better world.
    The Realm could be turned into a unified country with seven distinct regions but now the fighting/bloodshed would become the exception not the rule.
    The world of GOT is based off of medieval history so this would essentially be the birth of their renaissance. Magic or its knowledge could be preserved in this fantasy world and possibly come into play later to advance Westeros or fight off an outside invader with the bigger stick, so to speak.
    This wouldn’t be an eternal peace of course (between forces within like Littlefinger or outside forces like Aegon the Conqueror) but it would show that the people/the world was changing. That it had changed, and they weren’t going back (and those that tried were quickly left behind and abandoned rather than thriving without competition).
    Just seems more interesting than “people killing people, then magical undead walkers, then back to killing people again”.
    Even in the history of Westeros/Essos people and technology advanced and changed over time. It’s not like the First Men, the Andals, or Aegon’s forces were armed and armored with the same technology/weapons for thousands of years.
    I think GRRM pointed out that the seasons last for years-decades rather than months so advancement would be slower.
    I don’t disagree with that but it wouldn’t be stagnant and immovable. I’d even wonder if the opposite could have been true, at least in different parts of his world.
    Sure some or most won’t fix a system that in their eyes wasn’t broken or served their interests, but I feel many would take advantage of that time such as the Valyrians or previous Empires to make their people work longer in the fields or in construction.
    We’re limited in our world for how little time we have but if we had decades from spring to fall who knows how many larger ancient monuments could’ve been made, or the walls, or cities, or again in the fields.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      Im not sure about creating them but those sneaky little leafy bastards are a piece to the puzzle I think.
      Thanks for watching as always buddy! Liam

    • @LordWyatt
      @LordWyatt 3 дні тому

      @@TheFandomeClipsBran already saw they created the White Walkers (or at least its leader with dragon-glass in his heart) but we don’t know why.
      Why would they create the walkers and then fight so hard against them by the time of ASOIAF? Unless they underestimated them, thinking they could be controlled when in reality they set off their equivalent of a Magical Nuclear Bomb that would only spiral further until no living thing was left, not even the plants.
      There’s also a connection with the sea people (they did break the land border between Essos and Westeros but failed to do so again and created the massive swamps just south of the north possibly through a song of water/seas/oceans due to their fading power).
      Wish George would finish his work or give it to passionate fans to do it for him.😅
      Also my pleasure. Very fun to watch and theorize.

  • @bleachmon1
    @bleachmon1 3 дні тому +2

    Okay so it seems that UA-cam ate my comment.
    So basically I had summed up what I thought would be a satisfying version of the third scenario playing out. I subscribe to the Bran will merge with the Night King through timey wimey bs theory. So I put forth the idea that after the Night Bran merge happens a truce is formed between the three Targaryen claimants. Faegon married to Ariadne Martel on one side and Jon and Danny on the other. The truce being that who becomes king will be decide by a great council after the white walkers are dealt with. They then get into an argument about how to deal with the WW. Faegon wants to attack and Jon wants to try and reason with Bran, being his only kin left on the stark side after some disastrous battle at Winterfel. They decide to let Jon and Danny try diplomacy, but when they leave Faegon immediately takes control of the allied army and marches on the WW.
    Jon and Danny are greeted surprisingly warmly by the Night Bran who seems more reasonable after his past and present selves merged. He explains how the last Long night ended with an agreement with house stark and offers the same deal to Jon as they are kin and Jon carries WW blood in his veins through his mother. As long as Jon’s line rules the land south of the wall there will be peace between the living and the dead. Danny is suspicious of how amiable Bran is being and insists there be a time period of peace for the realm to recover regardless of whether Jon or his heirs are king or not. Bran agrees with a satisfied smile spreading across his face.
    At the same time Faegon kills a WW with the same smile. Immediately afterwards the WW and wights depart north. So Faegon is declared king as he has “the better story”.
    Jon and Danny decide just to leave Westeros as no one believed their story of making peace with Bran. No one except for Faegon who demands to know the details of the peace agreement. They tell him to his horror and the last scene is the two arguing over whether Bran played Jon to take over Westeros later, or Faegon ensuring the safety of Jon and any children he might have by making Faegon have to unite their lines if he doesn’t want his descendants to be crushed by bran. In the end they decide it doesn’t matter as they will be long dead by then.

  • @Eh-Mungu-Nguvu-Yetu-q8p
    @Eh-Mungu-Nguvu-Yetu-q8p 3 дні тому +2

    Looks like i should rewatch part 1 has been a long week i hardly remember anything about the first video.
    Thank you guys you always make my Friday evening

  • @sinayezulu9928
    @sinayezulu9928 3 дні тому +2

    Ah another Fandome vid... Tis a good day indeed😌. Thank you guys🔥✊

  • @darkaxel1991
    @darkaxel1991 3 дні тому

    I seem to remember reading that when Craster didn't have a son to give to his gods, he'd give them livestock. I seem to remember that as being the reason Craster's sheepfold was empty when the Watch first stopped by.

  • @MagaldiMateus
    @MagaldiMateus 3 дні тому +4

    What do you mean how will it end? We know how! Stannis is the hero of light who will cast out the darkness!

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +4

      😂 They have to kill off Stannis im afraid....... eventually. This is due to my working theory is the others aren't refusing to march on the wall because of its magic but because they know the Mannis is on the other side of it! Thanks for watching Mogadishu Mateus! Liam

  • @potatolord2196
    @potatolord2196 3 дні тому +4

    Jon will get a hot snow-elf wife, Stannis is secretly plotting to secure the throne for (F)Aegon, and the Others real goal is to stop all of these people from turning into horses.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      This is without a doubt the most well reasoned and Iron clad theory I have ever read my lord of spud. FFS its so obvious its basically staring us right in the face 🤦‍♂️ HOW COULD WE BE SO BLIND???
      Also thanks for watching buddy! Liam

  • @gabitza2047
    @gabitza2047 3 дні тому +3

    You gotha give it to got season 8 its a masterclass in how not to end a show

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      😂 100%. I think the issue is the story could not have resolved in the 8th season, they needed 10 at an absolute minimum. 1 season for the long night, 1 season to tackle cersei then the last season dealing with Dany having gone mad if that was the direction she was meant to go in.
      Thanks for watching Gabitza! Liam

    • @neodigremo
      @neodigremo 3 дні тому

      Lets be fair..... the wheels began to fall off from the end of S4. S7 is almost as bad, and S6 is barely a tough better with the battle of the bastards being incredibly overrated television.
      S8 was incomparably worse, but what came just before had been struggling for quite some time.

  • @The_Malcontented
    @The_Malcontented 3 дні тому +2

    @0:24 You should never give D&D the benefit of the doubt. They had all the budget they could ever need and their alleged deadline was self-imposed. HBO would have been completely down to make season 8 longer or make it a season 8 + 9 (and why wouldn't that be the case; it would have meant more money for them!) but D&D were impatient to move on to another project so they COMPLETELY RAN THE SHOW INTO THE GROUND WITH THEIR HASTE and that's how we ended-up with the travesty that is GoT season 8

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      Haha 😂 we are going a bit soft towards them that is true. Whenever I record myself praising them in any capacity my vomit reflex activates if that makes it any easier to stomach for you? 😂 thanks for watching as always mate! Liam

  • @BeteBlanc
    @BeteBlanc 3 дні тому

    The first step is properly mapping the parallels in the story and how they interact and inform each other. Most theory looks at each piece in isolation, and people seem to dislike the mapping of parallel themes and story elements.
    What are the Others, what is their point, how would they be used? GRRM leans much harder on parallels than most think, but they are in many cases very difficult to identify. However the most obvious and easy example is in fact that between Dany and Jon.
    While the details play out in unique ways, the basic underlying structure is the same. Jon marries the NW, Dany marries the Dothraki. They journey into a sea of trees/grass to an island or lonely hill (Fist/Vaes Dothrak). Their brothers are betrayed and murdered by someone that promised aid. Their leaders die as a result of conflict with their own people and they replace them. As we near the end of ADwD both are struggling to keep peace between Watch/Unsullied, Wildlings/Freedmen, Stannis/Ghiscari. Dany is forced to escape back into the grass sea, set to return to the island in it. As such something resembling this should happen with Jon in his version of the parallel. The simplest and most direct way would be for Jon to escape back into the Haunted Forest, with or on Ghost, and ending up back at his island (the Fist).
    As the side of fire in the story gains it's agency through Dany the side of ice should have agency in the story through a PoV. At this point the most likely one is Jon. This is not to say Jon will become evil. Only that he will likely have some form of reveal about the past and strike a deal for aid in his desire to regain his position of authority. How that's tinfoiled is entirely open, but a deal of sorts that sees the Wildlings at Hardhome safely passing south would make sense for the situation.
    The Others should be the counter point to Dany's dragons for some other character rather than an evil basic horde. Perhaps even with the goal of stopping Dany's invasion. The way GRRM tells a story the heroes and villains should be the PoV characters, or in their narratives.
    There are many other parallels in the story. The broken sons Jaime and Theon have identical underlying plot structures. The fisher prince narratives that give us an old/dead figure over a broken young figure on/in tower or tree (BR/Bran, LSH/Brienne, Selmy/Quentyn, Stannis/Theon). These parallels are painfully challenging to map and apply and I believe offer a better method of prediction than comparing literature.

  • @BloodravenRivers
    @BloodravenRivers 3 дні тому

    BROOOOO TYTYTY i swear i left a comment that got u to do this video! thank YOUUUUUU! awesome video dude! love your content!

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      You may have matey, we do check for suggestions and add them to our list!
      Thanks for watching! Liam

  • @The_Malcontented
    @The_Malcontented 3 дні тому

    I think even if Scenario #1 all-out war is how the story goes and there's no twist afterward, it's simply "we had no other choice but fight or die," the sheer amount of devastation and death from the war against the dead will still keep the tone of the series in-line with George's anti-war philosophy. Similar to the devastation from the War of the Five Kings shown in the series so far. Huge amounts of death, rape, pillaging, etc. etc. etc. We probably wouldn't have rape or pillaging in the war with the dead, but the amount of death being so much greater (plus the horror of seeing the dead come back in order to try to kill even more of the living) will be a horrific depiction that yes in case you had an illusions to the contrary, war is hell. Even when you win, the best you can hope for a bittersweet ending

  • @james3648
    @james3648 2 дні тому

    greta video as always! one video suggestion for the future, how about: How Littlefinger could have won the game of thrones? would love to see what you come up with

  • @dirgiseven6735
    @dirgiseven6735 3 дні тому +1

    Our is the fury our is the fury our is the fury our is the fury

  • @josephkahre9088
    @josephkahre9088 3 дні тому

    One fan theory is that love that I haven’t heard you guys talk about much is the bran is the night king idea . Him warging to the past and getting trapped in the body of the original other gives a lot of purpose to the story.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      We initially wanted to make this video about the various theories, but because we didn't feel we could bring anything new to them it felt like we would have just been stealing other peoples hard work and ideas :/ which is why its more of an opinion piece on the outcomes.
      That theory is cool though and Thom really stands by it!
      Thanks for watching! Liam

  • @OurHiltsHurt
    @OurHiltsHurt 2 дні тому

    They will never get past the wall without the help of Craster

  • @estabansidhe
    @estabansidhe 3 дні тому

    My pet personal theory - there is a throne made of thousands of swords, a dragon queen who needs a reason to burn a city down, and a recipe for valerian steel that is highly implied requires human sacrifice.
    Danny burns down kings landing to make a load of anti-white weapons.
    Bitter sweet - peace deal is signed and the message never got through.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      I like the idea of Dany inadvertently helping the cause, definitely fits the fulfilling the prohecy in an unexpected way!
      Thanks for watching Estaban! Liam

  • @thelateescapist8266
    @thelateescapist8266 2 дні тому

    Regarding the previous video about how the Others get past the Wall in the books, for me it's got to be the Horn of Winter.
    It's just the most logical conclusion based on what's already been laid out in the text.
    GRRM spent a lot of time establishing the Horn of winter as a viable MacGuffin. It's been at the center of significant subplots in two of the five main novels so far, and has been mentioned no less than 27 times across all published A Song of Ice and Fire books. That's only two less mentions than lightbringer, which has been mentioned a total of 29 times across all published A Song of Ice and Fire books.
    Although the exact origins and current location of the horn are still ambiguous, what is not ambiguous is what all concerned parties believe it is capable of: bringing down The Wall.
    I imagine the reason that more people don't acknowledge the Horn of Winter as the most obvious means for the Others bypassing The Wall is that it wasn't included in the show, but by the time The Wall came down in the show the storylines had already completely deviated from the books. I mean does anyone who's read the books doubt that characters like Young Griff and Lady Stoneheart will be playing major roles in the upcoming books because they were excluded from the show?
    And as for how the Others will get their hands on the Horn of Winter?
    First of all, Sam's horn, which is absolutely the best candidate for the actual Horn of Winter (why else would GRRM keep reminding us that he still has it), is currently in Old Town. Which is almost certainly due a visit from a certain crazy pirate king who's eager to kick off an apocalypse that he thinks will make him a god. And unleashing an army of ice demons on the realms of men certainly qualifies as an apocalyptic event.
    For all we know Euron could already be in cahoots with the Others, who maybe are the ones that gave him the idea that he could become a god. Kind of like how Blood Raven drew Bran north of the Wall by promising to teach him how to fly.
    And finally as to why The Wall wasn't brought down any of the previous times the horn was blown? (As in Jon when he found it at the Fist of the First Men, or Joramun in the distant past)
    Maybe the horn's magic can only be activated under specific circumstances or by a specific person or kind of person. It's a magic horn after all, and magic usually has prerequisites. (Like how Bran has to drink weirwood paste before he can see through the weirwood trees, or how Melisandre has to have sex before she can make a shadow assassin, or how the dragonbinder horn has to be claimed by blood before it can bind a dragon to its owner)
    My personal head cannon is that the Horn of Winter can only be blown by the king beyond the Wall, who can only use it to bring down the Wall if that's what he actually wants, otherwise it does other things like "wake giants from the earth" (whatever that means).
    And if you've actually bothered to read the entirety of my ramblings, I sincerely thank you for your time and patience! 😉

  • @kratosboy5557
    @kratosboy5557 21 годину тому

    Stannis is the Mannis=Alfred the Great
    Robb Stark=Robert De Bruce
    Both absolute Giga chads

  • @donjuan9602
    @donjuan9602 3 дні тому

    I really do love this channel

  • @jeremy1860
    @jeremy1860 3 дні тому

    I'm still leaning towards the idea of the "bad guys win" angle in all this. Happy endings are the last thing I'd expect from the story at this point, and peace, even if it's a difficult one, would be a happy ending compared to the outright struggle and possible extinction of the living by the hands of the Others. Like you said, George doesn't give us what we want, and what we want is for our POV characters and everyone else to be okay by the end of this. George knows that, and so I've long suspected that that's how the story will conclude. No victory, no survival. Everyone goes. All the fighting we've seen for the Iron Throne and so forth will all have been for nothing, and the end point for all our faves is to be the losers of the Long Night :(

  • @ledanoir1239
    @ledanoir1239 3 дні тому

    The others: -Here, I revived your grandma! No need to thank m....
    The living: AAAAAHHH!

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      😂😂😂 brilliant that gave me a good chuckle, I hear all puddles wanted to do was give people a hug 🤗 thanks for watching Ledanoir! Liam

  • @Sprite8822
    @Sprite8822 2 дні тому

    I agree that option 3 is most likely. But I do wonder if there is an allegory in there that humanity should not have been fighting each other this whole time and should have been focused on the existential threat of nature (The others).

  • @chriscoates8691
    @chriscoates8691 2 дні тому

    Okay, hear me out. So, casters sons can create more others, but not a “king other”, because that requires kings blood. Therefore, the prince who was promised is the others new king. This prince hasn’t been delivered yet, because humanity has forgotten about this ancient pact, because the others life span is thousands of years old, but they remember. And since the new prince hasn’t been delivered yet, the others take it as a slight against the truce. Which the truce was already on shaky grounds due to Sam saving Gilly’s baby. But since the prince who was promised hasn’t been delivered yet, has the others in an uproar, as their current king is at the end of his life span. So, Jon may be the prince who was promised, and assuming he gets resurrected in the end, has to sacrifice himself again, but this time to save the world. Or it could be another baby of kings blood.

  • @maxkoers97
    @maxkoers97 3 дні тому

    Maybe there is not a big army of the death at all, but there could be if the Northmen are not evacuated beyond the wall. In getting the evacuation done, they ensure the death cannot amass a big enough force to overcome the living and thus stay north of the wall or even retreat to try again once the population beyond the wall increases once more. In this scenario the book deals with bringing together the people of the free North and the seven kingdoms, trying to find a new balance

  • @kylecharles4333
    @kylecharles4333 День тому

    For me I could see Jon leading a group through the dead to try and kill the Night king and die in the process only to be raised but keep his mind then assassinate him and maybe take his place with the prince becoming a king, taking the dead back to the north.

  • @professorsassafras
    @professorsassafras 3 дні тому +1

    The belrog vs the long night who wins?

  • @DarkApostleNoek
    @DarkApostleNoek 3 дні тому

    The Black Talks. They find a way to communicate with them, bring the Others to the peace talks, only to rain a Thousand Dragon Glass Arrows on them.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      😂 well the living have definitely shown themselves to be capable of such shitty behaviour.
      Thanks for watching Noek! Liam

  • @Rebel_Lord_Taron
    @Rebel_Lord_Taron 3 дні тому

    Lightbringer could always be a metaphor kind of like the pen is mightier than the sword...
    And the ink could have been nissa nissa's blood and the dawn could have been the contract or pactl that they made with the others that has been broken

  • @thelateescapist8266
    @thelateescapist8266 2 дні тому

    As for how the Long Night will end?
    I think it's going to be some version of peace with the Others. I don't think that peace is going to hinge on making sacrifices to the Others or anything like that.
    I think it will be more about finding a balance between the different spheres of civilization and magic, which I believe are connected to the seasons, which have obviously been out of balance for some time.
    When you think about it every kind of magic that's on display in A Song of Ice and Fire is connected to some naturally occurring phenomena, such as fire, ice, water, flora and fauna. So the dynamics of magic in A Song of Ice and Fire are apparently the result of an interplay between people and the natural forces of the world they live in.
    But without the balance of the seasons, these natural phenomena cannot occur or function at their natural frequencies.
    I believe this imbalance of natural and supernatural forces is a key factor in the decline of magic and the chaotic nature of the seasons. The history of Planetos indicates that humans are the cause of this imbalance. By cutting down the weirwoods and decimating the elder races the humans weakened the natural forces that likely contribute to or even create the magic of Westeros.
    The incursions of the Others seem to me like a reaction to the imbalance created by humans. The first Long Night occurred after The First Men took most of Westeros from the elder races, and is apparently the only reason humans don't control all of Westeros. It's a good bet that the first Long Night was ended by an arrangement between the First Men and the Others that satisfied the balance the First Men had compromised in the first place. And now that that arrangement seems to have been forgotten the Others have returned.
    I don't think that Azor Ahai and or the Last Hero actually defeated the Others last time around. I think they only held them at bay long enough to broker a deal.
    An imperfect deal that led to things like people being stranded north of The Wall and sacrificing babies to the Others.
    I think the ideal resolution of A Song of Ice and Fire is Bran, Jon, and Daenerys making a better deal with the Others than the First Men. After putting up one hell of a fight to keep them at bay(and to satisfy the warmongers in the fan base).
    And as for this perfect deal, I think that between the icy magic of the Others, and the fiery magic of the dragons, the balance of nature and civilization in Westeros that likely governs its magics could be achieved. Especially with someone like Jon in the mix, who can represent ice and fire (Stark and Targaryen).
    Anyway that's all I've got. And I know I got pretty deep in the Weeds on this one, so I'm genuinely appreciative if you bothered to read this whole thing. 😊

  • @Fitsthatmean27
    @Fitsthatmean27 3 дні тому

    What if the Others are actually a response to the nonsense the Euron Greyjoy's upto (godhood by massacre), and they think the only way to stop it is to turn everyone undead to stop something even worse. It's not exactly original, but I can imagine it similar to the Reapers from Mass effect. One massively cruel act to prevent an even worse one from coming. Maybe the Prince that was promised could be given to the other's because he has some even more ancient magic to go whoop Euron when toggles god mode on. Probably an obvious theory, but it does give a bittersweet ending.

  • @kratosboy5557
    @kratosboy5557 21 годину тому

    Alfred “the Fairly alright”

  • @clownpendotfart
    @clownpendotfart 3 дні тому

    The anti-war message of the books is how the civil war in westeros (which most of the text has been devoted to) undermined their ability to respond to collective threats like the Others (who really do hate all life, per GRRM's pitch letter in 1993). He hasn't put the Others on the page much because they're not complex characters comparable to the Lannisters.
    GRRM said he wanted the ending to be bittersweet... explicitly citing what Tolkien did in Lord of the Rings in comparison. That did NOT end with any revelation that Sauron or Saruman had peaceful intentions, nor was there any pact/peace between the two sides. The baddies really were completely defeated in a giant war won by destroying a sort of magical MacGuffin.
    The Others aren't ghouls, just consuming what's already dead. They kill Waymar Royce, and laugh while they do so. If that's not representative GRRM wouldn't have written that, or the later attack by the Others at the Fist of the First Men.

  • @GaryGillKeeper
    @GaryGillKeeper 2 дні тому

    The others want either Jon for his Statk blood or Lady Stoneheart to be the new ice queen. Both are already dead, so both might have to go (Caitlyn is going to hate being stuck with Jon for eternity)

  • @bluephoenix6067
    @bluephoenix6067 3 дні тому

    So, i know its a bit silly, but i am kinda hoping for a "fairy tale"-ish ending of asoiaf. At least with Jon. Obviously assuming he comes back, and I'd prefer that the other Stark children live, but whatever my main focus is Jon.
    (I also only say this as someone half way through the books myself, so bear with me)
    Firstly, Jon is the Prince that is Promised, and through whatever means (barring baby sacrifice) the Others no longer exist as a problem. Everybody celebrates. "Hell yeah! We did it! More importantly, Jon did it. He brought us here. If not for him, all would be lost. He should be king!" Everybody agrees. Its unanimous, paralleling him to Aragorn. Unlike lotr:
    Jon refuses.
    He never wanted power, once he was in charge of the Watch, he tried getting two (historically hostile) groups together, and it al.ost immediately got him a mutiny and several stab wounds. So he walks away, shouting "by the gods, pick someone else!"
    So they sit there, wonder who should rule them. Someone power hungry steps forward and is immediately shot down. "You seriously think you're as good as Jon? No? Then sit the hell back down." So they come to another unanimous agreement, with no one worthy willing to take the throne, then it shall sit empty until Jon or someone of similar character comes to take it. Or alternatively, they decide that the iron throne, a symbol of greed, ambition, unchecked power, conquest, murder, and death, maybe shouldn't exist as a seat of power any longer (possibly literally destroyed like say by dragon fire *cough cough*). Either way, the seven kingdoms become truly independent again, and are free from the often tyrannical seat of power above them, but also free to declare wars and plot against their former "allies" like the days before Aegon.
    Would also accept Jon taking the throne only to be sooner or later taken out by some power hungry menace. The Others may no longer be a problem, but the Game continues.
    Also a small part of me thinks it'll be a bit funny for "He subverts fantasy tropes." GRRM to instead go against what people expect of him for the conclusion. I just feel like there's a limit to where "real world-ism and trope subversion" can turn into narrative dissatisfaction, even if well built and well written.
    Though i suppose i just want that bittersweet ending to land favoring the sweet side.

  • @The_Malcontented
    @The_Malcontented 3 дні тому

    "King Aragorn, what is your policy on religion?
    Gandalf, who is in the room and is a literal angel who has been sent to Middle Earth by Eru Illuvatar for the SECOND time: Bruh"

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      😂

    • @Jwsponky
      @Jwsponky 3 дні тому +1

      I was just coming down to comment to that effect. Also the numerous elves who, unless I am mistaken, are ancient even by their species' standard and witnessed the creation of the world.

  • @WoodstockProd
    @WoodstockProd 2 дні тому

    I think the Walkers might not necessarily want babies so much as they do just new members of their species. Castor always sent them his male children because he’s a real piece of work who wanted to keep his daughters around so he could… Well you know. I think there’s a possibility that in the event of a ceasefire, the Walkers could be given adults to be converted, either people willing and consenting or possibly on the more bitter side, dangerous criminals who would normally take the black

  • @paulchristensen7
    @paulchristensen7 3 дні тому

    Honestly I would prefer an ending where the Others win than one where Dany goes crazy and Bran becomes king.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      As would we all Paul.......as would we all.....
      Thanks for watching! Liam

  • @Hugin.Muninn
    @Hugin.Muninn 3 дні тому

    I hope he goes for some sort of peace agreement with the others.
    It sounds a lot more interesting than victory through an all-out war.
    Perhaps instead of the living continuing to sacrifice babys, Perhaps "the chosen one" must sacrifice themselves

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      That seems to be the prevailing theroy. The Prince who was promised is a line of weasel wording. It never states who the Prince is promised to.
      Thanks for watching! Liam

  • @billberndtson
    @billberndtson 3 дні тому

    07:16 Mollymauk Tealeaf is a great example of this.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      Had to Google who that was 😂
      Thanks for watching Bill! Liam

    • @billberndtson
      @billberndtson 3 дні тому

      @@TheFandomeClips Some of your fans might know :) ty for looking it up. :D

  • @msmith1890
    @msmith1890 3 дні тому

    What if both sides ended up destroying eachother so much that they both must agree to a ceasefire for survival?

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      I'm not sure if that would be a bit too much of a downer ending. Reminds me of the build up to WW2 where it was less about keeping the peace for peace and more about both sides just trying to catch their breath to resume the war.
      But your idea is a grounded way to get to that point of cease fire!
      Thanks for watching Msmith! Liam

  • @paelon
    @paelon 16 годин тому

    strong belwas gets up and rolls through the undead like leto 2 falling off his platform DONE. think people will hate that ending as much as the show?

  • @JonathanVegaa
    @JonathanVegaa 3 дні тому +2

    Jon Marries the Night King?

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      Anything is possible Jonathan.........anything except the winds of winter being released in our lifetime!
      Thanks for watching! Liam

  • @Undeath9087
    @Undeath9087 3 дні тому

    Ok, I'm going to make sure I copy this comment when I'm done with it to not lose it this time.
    Saying D&D did what George will makes me physically ill, so let's not go there. As for doing the same, George might, it'd be vaguely funny to see the online reaction, but uh, no.
    10 to 20 of 1000? Makes sense. As for what the Others want... yeah, no comment because I can't say shit. Not surprised that this is the most we can say about it because it's such a mystery that I don't think George even knows yet.
    Show ending, Tywin forces Cersei to marry the Night King ending, and the ending that probably hits too close to home for me. Let's go.
    Those maybes all work. Bran's part might also be to see how they won the first time and then he uses his Greeneer abilities. This ending it very good but, and I'm still at the why it's good part btw, given how anti war George is, I doubt it'll be the end. That little part of the Red Wedding I did not know. It makes sense to have to have the deaths set in stone. The deaths of Robb and Cat were perfect and they needed to happen.
    I knew it. I knew this'd be the why it doesn't work. Goes against George's ideas. No comment on war is bad, I think you know why. Also, George not giving us what we want? Adds up with him not giving us Winds. Not gonna lie, that rug pull of "Oh, they were actually peaceful all along" is kind of... I dunno, weak? Not sure how else to put it.
    Show Jon is Azor Ahai and I will not accept any other answer. Would be a funny subversion if he does go with this though, not gonna lie.
    "You're my daughter! You will do as I command and you will marry the Night King."
    Jokes aside, yes, just skip to the thoughts because it does not work. If we're going with realism... uh, no what, not going there because if I talk about how I feel about war... moving on.
    This might work. I've seen an idea where the Great Other agreed not to attack so long as a Stark was King of Winter but when Torrhen knelt to Aegon who wanted to join the Kingdoms to fight the Others, the Others now can attack.
    Cultural misunderstanding? Heh, not gonna lie, that'd be kind of funny. I'm gonna say maybe it's a means of survival. They have only a handful of Others that exist and, in order to get what they need, they started reanimating the dead to form an army to be able to attack the living. Maybe the original Long Night was purely Others vs The Living and when the Others were beaten, their numbers were reduced so badly they never fully recovered, leaving them a fraction of what they once were, and now they have to reanimate the dead to form the army they need to attack for whatever reason they have (probably lack of resources).
    Bran being the king to communicate with the Others... know what, better than "Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?". Then again, a literal wet fart would've been better than that. You know, I really should've expected all the war talk before I went in here. Not bothered by it btw, just hits home.
    So, for the slight counterarguments to the beginning: I say the wights attack the living because they have no mind of their own. Taking a page out of the Scourge from World of Warcraft, if they aren't guided, they go off instinct and their instinct is to fight and "live". As for sadistic fucks? If we go with the Others were driven to near extinction by humanity, well, just a case of revenge. Plus, if the Others have a distorted sense of time like I said in the comment that disappeared (hate it when that happens), maybe they think this is one of the survivors who ended their race.
    Oh, continual sacrifice of babies? I mean, feels like it fits the tone, but yeah. Maybe it's just a set amount of babies that need to be given so they can repopulate their race after humanity wiped them out? Eh, maybe a bit too much, never mind.
    Also, where did you get that Jon and Night King holding hands thing?
    I vaguely remember Aragorn wiping out a bunch of orcs in his reign, so... uh, I think we know his border patrol policies.
    That last bit of Prince who was Promised? Gonna go with Jon becomes the Night King and holds the Others at bay with his force of will until it runs out. Let's go with that.
    Loved the vid, great stuff.

  • @emiliaefr
    @emiliaefr 3 дні тому

    I miss Thom in the videos 😢❤

  • @Endme264
    @Endme264 3 дні тому

    I believe when the others are gone magic will cease and the world of ice and fire will slowly shape into ours

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      Ah so a little like middle earth? Not sure George would want to pay homage but i like the idea! Thanms for watching! Liam

  • @dakotalange2858
    @dakotalange2858 3 дні тому +1

    What if Alistor Thorne was with Jon at hardhome instead of Ed as it would be way better that the lord commander and first ranger are there to broke peace (even though Thorne will kinda still be an ass) this would allow Thorne to see the dead and the mutiny would not happen, (and he wasn’t even part of it in the book), ut let’s just say he still gets stabbed by others who weren’t there, it junk there is a chance he could convince the nights watch wildling to fight together in the battle of the bastards as Ramsey is threatening to butcher them all (and should be illegal but not sure) and he’d have another seasoned commander to help him. I find this kinda funny for 1 reason house Thorne are Targaryen loyalist and Jon is a Targaryen it’d be funny as 💩 to see Thornes reaction when he finds out 😂

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      I'm still hiding out hope Thorne does find out in the books eventually 😂

  • @viperblitz11
    @viperblitz11 3 дні тому

    If we go with the view of the Others and the army of the dead as some kind of allegory to climate and natural forces, I'm thinking that the savior or hero isn't someone who will WIN the war per se, but prevent the [climate/undead] catastrophe by convincing others to set their selfish goals aside. Or, possibly, failing to do that and just having a battle for survival.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      I think you could be onto something there, I definitely think the saviour will at least try for peace, George is as much a hippie as he is a blood thirsty sadist lol.
      Thanks for watching Viper! Liam

  • @billyanderson-n1f
    @billyanderson-n1f 3 дні тому

    This video has planted so many thoughts in head it physically hurts including 1 if aria is lightbringer then her three weapons first needle and the obsidian weapon gendry makes dosent work the valkyria dagger attempted to kill bran does 2 the different nations of Essos fighting the others if Westeros falls specifically the faceless men and the shadow binders that aren't worshiping Rhollr 3 a peace could be possible if the others have become mindless and forgotten life if bran can restore those feelings maybe they could choose death restore balance to the world and seasons and end the madness through choice and acceptance not war there were more but my brain is currently leaking from overload sorry for the long comment and no punctuation

  • @The_Malcontented
    @The_Malcontented 3 дні тому

    I disagree that EVERYTHING is grey is ASOIAF. There are definitely characters who are truly evil: the Mountain, Joffrey, Ramsey, and Euron for examples. Ramsey we don't know much about before his mother brought him to Roose and Roose claimed him, but the others we have evidence that they were just always evil.
    Gregor burned-off half of his brother's face when he was 11 or 12 years old, Joffrey gutted a cat when he was a young child (BTW, cruelty to animals is one of the 3 traits of the MacDonald Triad that are generally-accepted (GENERALLY, don't @ me) as being indications of future violent mental illness,) and he would do...... something to Tommen (the ambiguity about what Joffrey did to abuse Tommen, the fact that Tommen has never been able to tell anyone about it, and the fact that when he almost finally told someone when he started to tell Jaime only to immediately shut-down when Cersei arrived..... all imply we should assume the worst.)
    And lastly EURON. It is heavily-implied that while still a young person, Euron sexually abused his brothers Aeron and Urrigon and would psychologically-torment them with that abuse as a kicker, and he killed 2 other brothers (Robin and Harlon) while young as well. There is of course raping his brother's wife, which considering Victarion's personality, he probably KNEW would lead to Victarion killing his wife, but he did it anyway, for the lolz and the evulz. And then of course there is the "planning a massive blood sacrifice, 3 of the victims of which will be his brother, the mother of his child, and said unborn child, in order to (he believes) awaken a Lovecraftian monster that will kill untold numbers more people and cause heretofore-unseen amounts of destruction and suffering."
    So yes, while totally-good people might not exist in the ASOIAF universe (anymore at least, since Ned Stark is dead,) EVIL definitely does. I think it would not be out of line with the rest of the story for an entire continent of people and groups who are various shades of grey to have to fight-against a force of ultimate evil. It has been well-established that the Others represent the antithesis of humanity and life: cold, dark, silence, death. Maybe no matter how bad humanity can get (and they can get VERY bad,) the Others are EVEN WORSE because they are NOT human, they are a supernatural evil force that humanity has forgotten about and therefore forgotten that there is something even worse out there: the antithesis to life itself: death, cold, darkness, silence.
    (I'm serious about the possibility of this, but so y'all know I realize how this sounds: this message paid for by The Money of the Servants of the Temple of the Lord of Light. The night is dark and full of terrors.)

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      You make some pretty good points mate 👍
      When I think of those characters you mentioned though I do think there is a greyness to them in the sense their evil stems from influencing factors (they aren't just born evil and act evil for the sake of it)
      Ramsey and Gregor are almost certainly both hardline on the ASPD spectrum (and so is Jofferys show iteration)
      Ramsay is likely sociopathic and his behaviour has been influenced by his upbringing and I think Gregor going by his behaviour is potentially a born Pyschopath (as in he was born with abnormal qualities in his brain that prevents the experiencing of sensations like empathy)
      Joffery in the books is a spoiled kid and the constant neglect from his father (Bobby B) had a profound impact on his need for approval (he cut open the cat thinking it would impress his father if I remember right) and to appear strong, formidable and powerful, which is why his evil acts are usually him trying to exert dominance over someone
      Euron.................Euron..........oh bollocks, yep you've got me there 😂

  • @adamcahoon6362
    @adamcahoon6362 3 дні тому

    Alt Shift X did a video some years back that theorized of an ancient pack between the starks and the white walkers that would need to be renewed to end the long night. From that I always imagined either Jon Snow or Bran Stark (probably Jon) having to give themselves up to the White Walkers as a sacrifice for humanity; possibly even becoming the Night King (we do know of a Night's king who tried to marry a white) and leading the walkers back up to the land of always winter. Then again that does clash with the idea that the wall never worked as you devised in last weeks video so maybe I'm blowing some smoke up my ass.

  • @ianstuart371
    @ianstuart371 3 дні тому

    What if George Reading Riting Martin just decides to write it exactly how D&D did it?like we all spent years clowning on D&D but really whats talking so long is George is astounded that they pieced it together word for word how he was gonna do it???? Now he doesnt want to seem like hes copying them????

  • @vicecityJ305
    @vicecityJ305 3 дні тому

    What if Jon has to give the Night's King, Danys dead body so she can be his Nights Quren. Then the pack starts over

  • @warlordofbritannia
    @warlordofbritannia 3 дні тому

    I think most, if not all, of Dream will concern the Invasion. This has been building since literally the first page-not Dany or Young Griff or Jon Targ or whoever will sit the Iron Throne. The Others are portrayed as a force of nature rather than a conventional threat. How do you fight a hurricane, let alone try to negotiate? The best you can do is prepare for the storm-something the people of Westeros have utterly failed to heed.
    Here’s my whacky theory: the Others win. Westeros is reduced to a protectorate, the humans only being allowed to live to sustain the ranks. Bran is their puppet king as well as their partner as the Three Eyed Crow. Mankind must learn from their failures.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      That is bloody dark Warlord 😳 but damn if I don't love the idea. Ethier way the living really need to take at least 1 major L in the books for the others to live up to the threat they've been hyped up to be thats for sure! Thanks for watching! Liam

  • @professorsassafras
    @professorsassafras 3 дні тому +1

    Could Dany tame Smaug?

  • @thescottishnerd
    @thescottishnerd 2 дні тому

    We already now how it ends
    The real song of ice and fire was the friends we made along the way

  • @arpandey698
    @arpandey698 3 дні тому +1

    Ceasefire is the most likely scenario.

  • @MagicalMaster
    @MagicalMaster 3 дні тому

    The problem I have with grounded stories... is that they're more 'mundane' than actual reality. People want to say that reality is grounded and gritty, but it's only like that if you deliberately and blatantly ignore the downright regular miracles of all stripes that happen on the damn near regular.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      That is in fact true my arcane adept! I think maybe gritty is a more apt term for the world of ice and fire! Thanks for watching as always matey! Liam

    • @MagicalMaster
      @MagicalMaster 3 дні тому

      @@TheFandomeClips Your quite welcome, and if you want to see a seriously deep and fascinating rabbit hole, look up real life mysticism, it's hard to understand at first since all the actual records are generally crouched in story and symbolism, but if you can decipher it... it's insane and incredible stuff.
      Records that go back to when humans stopped being animals and became people, the difference between left hand and right hand magic, otherwise known as Black and White magic or the Magic of Kings and the Magic of The Gods.
      We have mystic explanations dating back thousands of years that are accurately predicting bleeding edge modern science.

  • @Ronfost89
    @Ronfost89 3 дні тому

    I hope it plays out almost exactly the same so we can all have a laugh.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      😂
      "I did it for the memes"
      -GRRM
      Thanks for watching Ron! Liam

    • @Ronfost89
      @Ronfost89 3 дні тому

      @@TheFandomeClips The content would train would never stop!

  • @robertcooper4935
    @robertcooper4935 3 дні тому

    4th! I feel like Book Stannis

  • @patrickmac777
    @patrickmac777 2 дні тому

    What if the prince that was promised was promised to the others/ww and becomes the new night's king and is a natural part of the other's life cycle and after he is sacrificed by marrying the nights Queen or whatever they return to peace for a few thousand years?

  • @reidcacaro2919
    @reidcacaro2919 2 дні тому

    George complaining about not knowing l the tax policies of Aragon also seemed like such a nit pick to me. 1 that’s not what the book was about and two you could do the same thing to his books.

  • @Bumchats
    @Bumchats 2 дні тому

    The fact no white walkers actually fought in the final battle vs the deliberately distributed valerian steel swords was absolutely shocking. We saw them so deliberately stole, gifted, made into two, etc etc and yet no single white walker encountered anybody in the battle. Just whytes vs gay dragon glass. Ridiculous!!!! It made the whole John killing one in hand to hand combat for nothing! Why Sam stole his dads blade is beyond me. Arghhhhh!!!!! Ridiculous!!!!

  • @metalhead6662
    @metalhead6662 3 дні тому +4

    OURS IS THE FURY! Stannis is the one true king!

    • @Brunotti303
      @Brunotti303 3 дні тому +2

      @@metalhead6662 FOR THE NIGHT IS DARK AND FULL OF MANNIS 🦌❤️‍🔥

  • @Nathan-yd7xd
    @Nathan-yd7xd 3 дні тому

    EPIC!

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      😂 I don't why but whenever I say that word that effect just happens.
      Thanks for watching Nathan! Liam

    • @Nathan-yd7xd
      @Nathan-yd7xd 3 дні тому

      @@TheFandomeClips Thank you 🤗 really enjoy the videos and it's a great way to keep inside the world of ASOIAF since I promised myself I would not read the books AGAIN until Winds of Winter is anounced WITH a date 😒

  • @tacticalmanatee
    @tacticalmanatee 3 дні тому

    ah, always nice to see another Indoctrination Theory connoisseur
    I think the war will end in a some sort of revelation of the entire thing being built on a misunderstanding of history and motives, and then a war resulting in the extinction of the Others. A peace treaty or negotiated peace might happen instead, but I think that'd be very hard to pull off in a satisfying way and it'd lessen the costs of the misunderstanding that caused the war in the first place.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      I absolutely loved those games. The Indoctrination Theory was the only way I could reconcile that bloody ending until the extended cut came and ruined it 😂
      I definitely agree with you about peace been an exceptionally hard thing to pull off, I think its a big part of why George seems to be struggling so much to make progress. He can't tie all his threads together beyond just having the others attack in force and rendering all the conflicts of the living as irrelevant.
      Thanks for watching as always my tactical sea mammal! Liam

  • @professorsassafras
    @professorsassafras 3 дні тому

    Boromir and faramir vs Ned Stark and faramir

    • @Ronfost89
      @Ronfost89 3 дні тому

      Boromir and Faramir win with next to no issue. Faramir would tie up Faramir, Boromir would kill Ned in like 5 seconds and then help Faramir beat Faramir.

  • @angeredgnome
    @angeredgnome 3 дні тому

    wish night king and jon became bros in the show

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      😂 your comments never fail to make me chuckle my rageful garden dwelling friend
      Thanks for watching! Liam

  • @NilsKratt
    @NilsKratt 3 дні тому

    I am that guy (this time I wasn't catched)

  • @colvamoon6962
    @colvamoon6962 3 дні тому

    I personally never liked Martin's take on how LotRs ended. He wants political depth to the story, when that isn't the moral story involved. I mean, take the Others. If they weren't just a forgotten legend, but an active threat beyond the wall for hundreds of years, the political depth would be lessened because they have an actual threat to deal with.
    And his criticism on how Aragorn would rule dont really matter because its at the end of the story. Should we spend a whole book learning about how the final ruler of Westeros governed the land?

  • @Vortexnicholas
    @Vortexnicholas 2 дні тому

    hopefully the children of the forest plays a bigger role . and we actually get to know what the others want.

  • @sinistertwister686
    @sinistertwister686 3 дні тому

    Great video! I think your idea is the closest one.
    I thought about it and yeah, the Others definitely want something aside from killing all the living. Perhaps they need humans to breed, therefore they take newborn babies as sacrifices and reanimate undead. If their species are dying out and this is a matter of survival for them.
    I think it will start with all-out war though, a great epic last stand against forces of darkness and it will fail. Surviving characters will have to retreat and look for another solution. This will give the fans what they think they want and will get the anti-war message across.

  • @marebbpc
    @marebbpc 3 дні тому

    I think with its anti war messages and how grrm writes his charaters which arent all good but also not fully bad. Morraly grey. Even the most righteous people make dark choices. The lesson is balance the both extremes. So i think its gonna be all out war, the living win, but find out the walkers need to exist for the world to function and remain in balance. And jon sacrifices himself to become the new night king. He becomes the prince that was promised/azor ahai, but not for the living for the others.

  • @Jwsponky
    @Jwsponky 3 дні тому

    I'm sorry, but what shade of grey do the Bolton's possess? Or Joffery? They seem stellar examples of there just being entirely horrible people in the franchise, just no entirely good ones.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      Books answer because the video is regarding the books.
      Roose is a pragmatist at heart, Betraying Rob was just business and at the start of the conflict you get the impression he was firmly behind Rob until he started making bad choices, as much as we hate him for betraying Rob, it's not like Rob hadn't given him a couple of good reasons to do so. Roose is also trying to be a bit better in the books now hes warden of the North.
      Ramsey is a product of his upbringing no two ways about it, as is Joffery. Joffery in the books is less of a sadistic sociopath and more of a spoiled child with deep seeded insecurities trying to live up to the legend of his father.
      None of these characters are born evil and are wholly evil, they have merely been twisted and shaped by the world around them.
      Book Euron on the other hand........... yeah that guy is evil to his very core. 😂

    • @Jwsponky
      @Jwsponky 3 дні тому

      @@TheFandomeClips Fair enough, never actually gotten around to reading the books what with the whole 'probably never going to be finished thing'. Heck, I only got into the show because a friend pitched it to me as 'Lord of the Rings, with more dragons', preying on both my enjoyment of Lord of the Rings and fondness for dragons.

  • @matthewrodriguez5798
    @matthewrodriguez5798 3 дні тому

    Khal Drogo vs Westeros when

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      Its in the works buddy, north is up first and its a gigantic video that will likely touch up to the hour mark
      Thanks for watching! Liam

  • @professorsassafras
    @professorsassafras 3 дні тому +1

    Sorry George but I'm with Tolkien on this one. I'm a Tolkien fan first. Your a good writer a very good writer but Tolkien dedicated his entire life to his work. I don't feel like I can side with someone mocking and insulting the hard work of someone who isn't around to defend himself anymore
    The point of Tolkien was not the tax policies but the messages he wanted to communicate. Ya Tolkien is winning this round George. Tolkien didn't just write stories but communicate ideas and teach morals he inspired you to do better while ya George writes good stories. You are not inspired or taught anything other than war sucks it's honestly depressing sometimes. I don't have a high opinion on people who insults someones life's work and says they are better when the opponent is no longer around to offer any defense. And unlike some people, ahem... Not mentioning any names.. at least Tolkien finished the story, he gave us the grand finally or the Lord of the rings version of the long night... So that's big talk coming from someone who couldn't even finish his own long night. Tolkien actually fought in world war two and have you read the savage blood bath that is the simerillion? It's a more history book and harder to read but man, people die in Tolkiens world left and right like flies in the first age fighting saurons boss, it's not pretty. I'm pretty sure Tolkien was well aware war sucked and he definitely gave Tolkien fans a long night and a pretty epic finally. I like George r Martin and I like game of thrones don't get me wrong, I am. But man this author needs a slice of humble pie.

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      We love GRRM here at the fandome too professor, but yeah Tolkein is the one true king of modern fantasy.
      Personally I think a big part of Georges criticism comes from a tiny bit of envy, but mainly the way his work gets compared to middle earth even though in fairness to him, they are in no way comparable.
      Thanks for watching as always! Liam

    • @professorsassafras
      @professorsassafras 3 дні тому

      @@TheFandomeClipsI completely agree..... and I'll also say Tolkien movie only fans expose themselves when saying it's not fair gandalf came back from the dead because... If you read all of Tolkiens books that's not what happened.gandalf is a spiritual being or an angel or miar and all of his wizard powers are angelic powers his real name isn't gandalf and his real form isn't an old guy he has been known to occasionally go by a different name and appear as an elf very early on in the first age. What actually happened is gandalfs physical form was destroyed by the belrog so he returned to eru illuvitar who gave him more power and sent him back to middle earth with another body so he didn't die and get resurrected in the traditional sense.

  • @msmith1890
    @msmith1890 3 дні тому

    What if the white walker/others exist as a force to create change and prevent stagnation?

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      I've seen that idea floated around. Almost like the others are less a race in their own right and more of a personified force of nature.
      We'll never know until we get those last two books though.........so I guess we're never going to know 😂
      Thanks for watching Mr Smith! Liam

    • @msmith1890
      @msmith1890 3 дні тому

      ​@@TheFandomeClipsDo you think a balrog or ring wraith be able to defeat a white walker?

  • @KorbinoHarlow
    @KorbinoHarlow 3 дні тому +1

    Trick question it wont happen because we won't have another book

  • @KBD1999
    @KBD1999 3 дні тому

    I really hope this doesn’t give Mormont ideas in the discord’s rp

  • @ComradeQuestion091
    @ComradeQuestion091 3 дні тому

    King Bran won't be King of Westeros...he'll be the invading King of Winter 😂
    Edit: Either that, or he is The Last Hero (for real this time)

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      Haha Criss/Cross 😂 thanks for watching Conrade! Liam

  • @jonaszpawlacz756
    @jonaszpawlacz756 3 дні тому

    3:17 nah, the writers confirmed it isn't

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому

      Look we all have our coping mechanisms ok? Some of us look to booze, some of us look to harder substances and some of us look to overly contrived and convoluted ways to justify an appalling final 15 minutes to what is other wise a flawless masterpiece of a trilogy!
      Do not take that from me 😭
      Oh and thanks for watching Jonaszpawlacz! Liam

    • @jonaszpawlacz756
      @jonaszpawlacz756 3 дні тому

      @@TheFandomeClips lol yeah I get you, the endings were pretty poor *and* they wrote themselves into the corner because they have to make destroy canon if they want to ever touch the Milky Way post-ME3, but that being said, the indoctrination theory has holes of its own and doesn't really fix the ending. Personally I'll just consider the happy ending mod canon until they do ME5.

  • @dakotalange2858
    @dakotalange2858 3 дні тому +2

    Dumb fanfic idea
    I want Jon to get some spiked Kestus with dragon glass and vilaryan steel studs and throw hands with the night’s king

  • @stfauth6031
    @stfauth6031 3 дні тому

    Children of the forest are pure evil and so too is the three eyed raven(Bran). Others actually helped construct the wall and the three eyed raven was actually in a prison/only refuge that the others just ignored after the others placed/merged Bloodraven into the tree. Other’s cannot actually fully kill the three eyed raven, that’s the prince that is promised part of the prophecy. Three eyed raven most likely could be the lord of light… either way it was actually the children of the forest that blew up first Hardhome as a test run and then Valyria… black goat god, lord of light and three eyed raven are all the same Evil God and the children have been at war with every other race since the first men crossed the land bridge and the first men arrived. In creating the others the children of the forest made a creature to fight the evil that is the lord of light and all invaders but it is actually the only intelligent creature that truly wants peace among all species and throughout the realm. The long night the others won the war and captured the three eyed raven taking him to the north promised to keep the evil god of light in the cold and eternal darkness of the far north. Not truly understanding that the three eyed raven will be able to change the narrative with the help from the Children of the forest. Escaping multiple generations while causing rebellions only for the others to capture, reimprison and shelter the world from the pure evil. I know this is an out there take but it goes with GRRM writing of flipping things on its head…

    • @TheFandomeClips
      @TheFandomeClips  3 дні тому +1

      Damn now that would be one hell of a rug pull mate! Thanks for watching Stfauth! Liam

    • @stfauth6031
      @stfauth6031 3 дні тому

      @@TheFandomeClips thx for the videos