Does Losers Queue Actually Exist?
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a hard reset of ranked would be amazing especially for those of us with decade old accounts
Yes please. I only play 1 acc since season 1(I was bronze then now hardstuck plat). It sucks ass that my acc is basically doomed cause its so old and I could probably ezmode get dia if I made new acc. Just look at neace first korea acc and then second korea acc.
@@vegardkjrberg1929atleast in NA, getting diamond a joke bro no way you blaming your mmr when faced with kids who drool when spellcasting
interesting for 10-15 games where you can smurf? riot skill recognizing system is too good right now. i got 4 new "hard reseted" accounts this season and im playing in 10 games vs diamond+ on all of them exactly like on my main from season 2 so. Nothing will change for more then a day for 99.9% of players.
@@vegardkjrberg1929 Get out of your own head buddy, neace wants a hard reset because of the inactive accounts that dont lose MMR if you are playing and your hardstuck its not because your MMR is stopping you its because thats the level that you are playing at. MMR can make it harder to climb sure, but it will only make it harder for a short amount of time until it adjusts. MMR does not cause people to be hardstuck, getting in your own head, ego and delusion on the other hand does. I can say it more nicely but its a hard truth for some people so.
It wouldn’t make a difference and everyone would be crying about unfair matchmaking.
I wouldn't doubt that it exists solely from the FACT that it exists in other games.
Blizzard owns a patent for the program in Overwatch. Losers queue HARD exists in Overwatch.
A dude made it his life to research it and posted his results on Twitter. And in his studies he had multiple different accounts from every region, across every rank. And every single time those accounts, on a basis per matches played, would then receive deadweight teammates.
They were given games so statistically stacked against that it was not logically fair at all.
And no, it wasn't a "oh x name onetrick unlucky". It was intentionally putting bought acc players and underdog lobbies.
So why would I doubt a vastly more popular and older game wouldn't incorporate this system to dopamine farm their players?
The issue is how much more deep League is so logically its hard to tell. Overwatch is literally made for morons, so the experiments weren't required to be more than they were.
Losers que is 100% real. This season alone after about 180 games I had a 74% winrate gaining only 18lp losing 28. 74% in almost 200 games... games were mostly cooperative, semi competitive, but a nice and steady climb. One game from diamond I was matched with somebody who saw my 18 game winstreak and ran it and then quit the game trying to force my loss. I said some bad words before he left, telling him what a loser he was. I GET CHAT RESTRICTED LOL. AND THEN FOR LIKE 10 GAMES IN A ROW I GET TEAMS WITH ALMOST EVERY PLAYER ON 5+ GAME LOSS STREAKS. In the next 100ish games I went from a 74% winrate at 200 to like a 54% winrate, IN THE SAME ELO AND AFTER MY CHAMPION WAS GIVEN A BUFF. Isn't that convenient? Every season on my main account it's basically the same scenario. Lp gains don't match my winrate and then the very obvious forced losses.
People who deny Losers que exists are literally ignorant of all the facts. Riot has a losers que to keep the players in the rank grind.
Delusional take with no proof.
as a survivor of season one's 1200 morass. I actually would like to see a hard reset. It would definitely be interesting.
explain yourself, i want to understand the season 1 incident
You ancient one… Do you draw your energy from the dark realm?
Yeah a full MMR reset every year or two would be interesting. Those who are actually good will quickly blast out of 1200 (or whatever number they set the default value at) and the trash will plummet, but those that have actively worked on their skills won't be held down by their previous years of being trash.
also got a season 1 account. hard stuck bronze.
As one of the 5 of the round table as well, we have discussed this many times.
"It doesn't exist" , then shows how in fact it exists...
All he did was explain the concept of MMR lmao. That's not losers queue, that's a standard ranked matchmaking system.
literally tho lmao he actually explained how losers que works
Except he didn't, he explained the system and why people take it as LosersQ, instead of them matching you up with higher elo ppl to lose, they are just limit testing you when you are doing good, they aren't griefing you putting trolls, afks or bots in your matches, if you lose you just aren't in that skill level yet
@outeaux they absolutely will queue you with trolls and tilted players until you lose. I've been playing ranked online games since the dawn of time and no other game will crush you with insurmountable odds over and over like league does. Then you can avoid playing on the account for a few weeks and come back and suddenly you're not playing on the cold team vs a very hot team anymore. People saying losers queue doesn't exist is like when people said that Twitter doesn't censor conservatives and then elon bought it and released the receipts showing that's exactly what was happening but on an even worse scale than imagined by even the most aggressive conspiracy theorists. Don't believe it if you don't want to. Can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. I've had like 60 accounts in league since season 1 and have tens of thousands of hours played through the years. I've had losers queue with and against people I am factually better than and it doesn't matter. I've defied losers queue before and eventually it will find ragequitters and people with currently poor internet connects. If the game wants you to lose, you will lose and will continue to do so if you refuse to accept reality and keep queuing in ignorance
@@outeaux losers queue is good for business. That's all you need to know. If you still don't think it exists, God help you
This was a really good coaching for this player... you went over exactly what he needed. But he needs to watch more of your coachings, this is something you go over alot.
I just had a 14 win streak from silver 3 to gold 4. It ended but Im still doing well so far.
Nice dude. What role do you play?
@@star0809felWHY DO YOU CARE , LEAVE HIM ALONE
Same. Did pretty well playing top but it is getting bored so switching to mid.
Last season I came back from a 2 year break with high diamond mmr when I hadn't played. Bro when I tell you I got shit on every game for a long time lol I almost quit the game again because it wasn't fun for me even... Eventually I made it back to high diamond but afk accounts should 100% lose mmr
you cant guard a invade if your team ignores 6+ pings and throws the fight on invade, however thats great tips i will be using regarding level 1 invades.
If the noobies ignore your pings, there's nothing you can do about it. But if you don't ping at all, then you're at fault for not warning the noobies that it was going to happen. It doesn't matter if they ignore or not, it matters that you ping.
Not pinging is your misplay, but seeing the pings and ignoring them is your teammates' misplay. Solo queue is about minimizing YOUR misplays and not giving a shit about your teammates' problems.
Definitely true for MMR resets. After a sweaty S3 (gold/plat) I quit. I came back to see if the game is fun, and was matched at the same rank. I consider myself iron now...I don't even know what's happening. We won but I lost real hard.
I am kinda on both sides on this discussion... I think losersQ is not real, but i am a gold / plat player who probably will win more in gold than in bronze. I am currently Queing up for flexQ (bronze 1 placement games) and it feels like soloQ in plat is easier. I always thought i rather be up against good enemies with a good team than bad enemies and a bad team. I feel like if everyone is good i can be the deciding factor, but if everyone is bad it simply a coinflip. i ping them not to go to baron, but they will still do it and get aced, moments like these often are not in my control and that makes the game so much harder.
This is a solid coaching session.
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I’ll win like 10 games in a row then get matched with ragers, inters, griefing, purposefully losing, and going afk. I don’t mind playing against hard opponents.
But when I play against a Smurf and 3 plats on enemy team and 2 brand new accounts, 1 silver and the 4th person is raging, afk, griefing, or literally afk runs into the tower cuz he’s on a 8 game lose streak. That’s the shit that bothers me.
I don’t mind the enemy team getting stacked, but the enemy team getting Stacked AND my team is trolling or griefing is bs
7:00 Strong argument for poro or the like. Helps to micromanage a lot of that information. Enemy cooldowns used ect. kill and respawn times, ult cd's ect.
The talk around minute 8:00 to 9:00 about the invading.. now the next level is to ward the bush stroke in mid where you're supposed to go from behind the wall. Now you see the person going inside that bush with absolutely no vision and nobody around. Now you pull him in from outside of the wall, being Blitzcrank. I don't know yet what will really be the next level after that ;) but mindgames can be funny and/or finding solutions to problems.. So you best stick to your end of the wall if you're going to follow Neace's advice here, because it can backfire.. Even if Blitz DOESN'T pull you, they can group up from both sides and start invading you (with the vision from said ward), forcing often at least a free Flash wasted on you, if not First Blood kill.
I think what separates Neace from other coaches that he remembers that this is a game and people want to have fun.
When the client said that "I just bought the skin and was watching myself dance at tower" Neace just kinda laughed with him.
I feel like other coaches want to be like Gordon Ramsey or something and would've had an over-the-top "OH MY GOD, Are you kidding me??? You're not taking this seriously???? You'll be stuck in this ELO forever if you don't watch your attitude!!" But Neace knew that the guy liked the skin and just went "nice."
I dont think that's true at all ... i have a coach i work with and we cut up all the time having fun with the game.
thanks to that piece of "run mid to spot invades" advice making its' way around ive just started randomly firing my q into the bush as blitzcrank now. Shits hilarious
I've learned win streaks and loss streaks are more based on mindset, for me personally. It's hard to quantify but essentially I get loss streaks from anxiety about being perfect in the game, and win streaks from staying calm and analyzing just enough of the game state to win.
Mentality is paramount. But that's more so you don't start inting after you get a 1/10 kha jg and a 1/9 aatrox top in your promos. There are sadly games you can't win. Big problem also is when a game is winnable and your team decides to surrender prematurely.
Losers queue exists but it’s unintentional. Sometimes you just get put into a game that you can’t win so you just move on to next. And I only really experience this when my mmr goes to diamond 4/ plat 1.
kinda
Not just a game... but multiple games. Climbing back and into your rank is a waste of time >:(
Recovering from 10+ losing streak aint fun. Waste of time for you to get back into ur actual tier
@@lovisericachii4503 worst when you play jungle and every lane loses before dragon even spawns 😹
@@jackson-dl9jm Or you playing a scaling jg and your team spam pin you to gank at 3 min w/o a leash... Brah I'm not even lvl 4 yet D:
@@lovisericachii4503I’m a fiddle main so I never have that issue XD full jungle clear by 3:05 at the latest looool
I remember trying to climb in wow and when I would go onto a win streak I would reach 1780 and would be matched up with people that are 2k+ and this would cause a lose streak until i started matching with people who are 1700 or 1500
Of course it exist, it's like the casino, they need to generate some addiction, and lossing is a part of creating an addiction.
i dropped from silver 2 to bronze 3. ranked matchmaking is complete horseshit.
where does he stream? i subscribed to this+main channel but didn’t get notifications for streams, does he stream somewhere off youtube or something?
He streams on Twitch
@@rexraptor1118 nuh turns out he streams on fucking facebook gaming lmao 😂
@@kyolee2782He’s still getting paid. What’s so funny
@@Brickswol lmao calm your simping down, i’m not shitting on neace. I like him, but still facebook gaming hell of a funny choice of a streaming platform
Losers queue is simply elo matchmaking combined with statistical variance. It’s possible to coin flip lose 6 games in a row.
I know losers queue doesn't exist, but boy is it hard to believe there's nothing going on with matchmaking. How do I end up with 4 afks in 4 consecutive games, one of which we actually won somehow. I was the ace in 4 of my 6 losses where I had 4 afk's in a row. It feels like I can't do much to affect this. I can grind higher elo's in chess reliable, I used to be able to climb in league, but somehow league is just harder to climb nowadays. Me playing well is no longer good enough to have a positive winrate.
Someone has to have the AFKs. You just drew the short straw for a few matches
@@Yggie42069 I know, but it feels so rough to see 80lp flush down the toilet without any control
Its always like you get few wins in row then is lose streak, you get at least 2 autofills in team and chances are 20 80
i actually learned a lot from the ball analogy
I’ve had my account since S2. I’d like a hard reset. I can hit gold on a fresh 30 account in 1/3 to 1/4 the games it will take my main account.
Loser Q is real. It's not even that the games are harder, it's that I'm lumped with bigger idiots progressively.
i have bad experience with this game, wich is probly why i suck as a player despite having played this game for close to a decade. i am currently unranked. when i tried to climb, iron never existed. for 6months i tried to get out of bronze non stop and i just couldn do it. one season i tried to see for the fun of it to see where lol would give me a ranked placement. i lost 9 out of 10 matches and i got silver. i will give my reasons for why i suck and why i belive in losers queue.
1.i am too dependent upon teams who can carry their fair share of work in the game, and in low elo, it just isnt a thing.
2.i have to do most of the job or i lose. multiple times the enemy team go all in on our inhib, and then 3 on my team go to farm lanes or jungle.
3.low elo doesent take turrets or inhibs, they rather chase 300g worth of champs and be 17/2 then be 2/8 and take inhibs.
4.when they lose, they just to do the same mistake all game and want out of the game. they also tend to flame and put others down so it kill team morale wich icreases loss rate
5.when low elo takes baron, they tend to go and farm lanes or jungle then win fights so the game can be ended.
6.nobody knows how to end wich makes most game last 40min for no reason, in wich case, its not about skill anymore that you win but luck.
7.evrybody belives different things in what makes you win wich can also be a hard reason people have a loss rate. and the more people lose in this game, the more crap makes them expect losses, wich weakens morality and jugdment calls.
8.i dont have faith in the mmr system. i have a negative win rate, and i meet players in gold elo who are able to farm 10+cs a minute or more and then have 25kills at the end of the match. and this happens all the more so after play with friends, wich makes me not want to play with my friends when its just gonna kill the quality i would love to experience about league.
9. i have a rough time adapting to changes. i need too much time learning evrything. and each new season it feels like i have to relearn everything wich has been one of many reasons league has given me bad experiences
10. Fogged talked about this himself and said he understood that the mmr system fucks up for low elo players and makes sure that they are unable to climb. so no matter what, an certain % of low elo players will always be low elo. it easy to argue how they all should just become good. but when this game just beats your ass every game, it just takes your ability away to see yourself become good
i get how all of this sounds like an excuse. and i take responsibility for the fact that i suck. because i abselutely do suck at this game. but this is not an excuse a supose to an observational experience i have when i play this game. and so i cant help but to belive in losers queue
Master 2 best champions in your main role and losers que will be your friend.
(i.e. master Kayn and Zed if your a jungler)
Losers queue exists and i have an account from season 2 i cant even get past f*** bronze this year
4:30 and thats the problem with "losers Q". Even if you play your best, there are 4 other players that can fuck up, and the further you drop, the more chance of having fuck up players in your team.
This is an issui that keeps prevaling till Gold 4-2 ish. After that you get people who understand the rudimentary fundamintals of the game. Dont feed, lanecontrol, warding, objectives etc.
An MMR System that is focused on Cheese Single Players cant properly work in Multiplayers games,.. or at least on low Elo.
"I was watching myself dance because I just got a new skin." Lmao #StoryOfMyLife.
Losers queue absolutely exists, but not every player that experiences frequent lose streaks is actually in the losers queue.
On one hand you've got players that lack discipline, and will change their champions or positions DAILY. They will experience lose streaks because they are too confident in flexing to other champions.
But on the other hand you have a situation that for example happens to me every season. I comfortably hit high Diamond 3/ reaching about 64% winrate. This season I was getting +33 LP in that elo. And suddenly I get absolutely tilted players in nearly every game from that point on. I was still playing my mains (Riven top, Nidalee jungle) and I started getting players that would finish the game at 2/13, or 1/8. And I don't mean one player in the game, I mean 3 other players in my team. You can't explain to me how as a 63% winrate Riven (at that time) can suddenly lose 19 games in a row in 3 weeks.
Nearly no amount of roaming, ganking, playing objectives or snowballing the game will win you these games consistently. At some point you just try to scale and force the enemy team in situations when they are most likely to commit mistakes.
Over the next 3 weeks I've slid down to Platinum III. It's not even about tilt, I take breaks and maintain a healthy mindset. And some of my friends experience the same thing.
To play this game, and not admit that there are some matchmaking tricks that keep you playing the game longer is a sign of ignorance.
Going to my diamond promos cause i got a 16 game win streak in plat and the game before promo's I'm vs 4 diamonds and a plat and my team got 2 golds and a silver, woooo I wonder how well this game going to go
Those are smurfs in higher mmrs
@@citizencj3389 Could be. My laning was good and I've had maybe 3 games in which I was behind in accordance to my enemy laner. The rest was either even or pure snowball
@@citizencj3389 Yea "smurfs" yet they play like shit and int, almost everytime. Seeing people with 15-30 games in plat/diamond is absolutely ridiculous.
Lmao its the exact opposite. If you think there is losers queue, youre ignorant of the mmr system and how it works. People like to blame something that doesnt exist to make them feel better all the time and league ranked is no different. Admit that you had a unlucky streak and stsrt working on yourself. The only constant in your losing streak is yourself.
Is it possible that a 42% winrate Iron 4 player be matched in a High silver game? Cause it just happened and I lost 31LP. Now I didn't lose against that Iron player, but against their Zed and Kayn who were shredding our mid tristana and adc thresh. 😞
Even if it does exist why does it matter... Ignorance is bliss... It's the same reason I mute my team, I get to enjoy my time playing because I'm not being flamed for everything, or at least if I am, I don't know about it so it doesn't impact me
There's not a single thing I can learn about the mmr or ranked system that matters to me... I'd say buying a new mouse pad would be a smarter investment than to spend time thinking about if you're in losers queue or not
Who cares, this is the same reason I don't check ranks and stuff before the game... For example, you could be facing a dude whos ranked higher than you, you don't look it up so you have no fear to engage because you don't respect his skill based on a preconceived notion...
Now imagine you did look up ranks before the game and see the enemy are all a higher rank, now in your own mind the game is lost and you haven't even started playing
Ignorance is bliss.
It's like playing Roulette. Suddenly you get like 10 red or 10 black in a row.
League uses engagement based matchmaking. This was confirmed when they filed their patent for their matchmaking system years ago and further confirmed with the data mine leak months ago that showed the client checking if someone was on a "streak" in order to autofill them or not. It is not solely based on MMR. MMR only serves as the base then the client checks for "behavioral data" which can mean anything from "this player has been winning too much" to "this player hasnt reported enough players" and the client will do things like autofill you or your teammate or match you with players with behavioral profiles for leaving games or feeding. Again this is not an opinion or a conspiracy theory, this is literally in their patent and further confirmed with data mine leaks.
I get how one is bumped up to better competition I mean enemy team starts stomping shit when I hit “losers que”. What I don’t get is how my teams get progressively worse and more trolly. Throwing games away, legit laying on a silver platter for enemy team. This is confusing to me and what I call losers que. Not necessarily being “bumped up” to higher elo games, but getting teammates that just want to minus LP everyone one their team for no reason whatsoever
Look. This is my first season and I have played about 700 games and I have consistently gone from easy winstreaks from silver 3 to 1 game from gold promo and throwers all the way back to silver 3. I have no idea if losers queue exists, it just seams like a weird pattern that I have consistently gotten
If you care enough for a minor advantage, pay attention to your team during champ select and their previous game history because you can catch on to griefers and autofills and losing streaks that you might just want to dodge. It helps break that cycle of good team and then mentally deficient team on the verge of forever sleep. It's like the game knows and delivers you a popsicle made of shit just to see if you'll accept it.
@@revoltncock how would you do that? You can't data mine your team anymore so you can dodge the shitters. As far as I know
@@richardcoelho there is a thing called champselectspy but its very bad so I just stopped using it
If its consistent thing I would suggest it be to unconscious anxiety, and tilt. Biggest problem that people experience particularly around peaks and promotions then every game down from promotion as well.
Can't wait for 2v2v2v2 to go Live. Only need to babysit 1 clown instead of 4.
if i played the game right now i would literally be one of those platinum mmr guys which havent played in 3 years
The problem is when you get your winstreak MMR boost, go against higher ranked enemies, but your allies stay the same shitty elo you were before.
*looks in comments expecting a war*
*sees exactly 0.0000000049% of people actually talking about the title of the video*
yes its so obvious. Days when you cannot loose even when your playing pants then days when you cannot win even when your playing out of your skin.
It does exist. You can trespass it if you are better than your elo by at least a whole rank, like for example smurfers. But Riot/Tencent definitely have retention algorithms to purposefully keep you at your level. This is the case with other video games already and it is known, and league isn't outside of this. But yes, if you do improve on your gameplay, over time you should be able to climb, especially when bronze silver and there is a lot of leeway upwards. But if you are just slightly improving, you will get purposefully held back by receiving purposefully angry and toxic players, which is what losers queue is. One point where i do hard agree, though, is the hard reset. Too many people get propulsed into their last years rank after 30 games, with no effort, while most then never again touch rank. This is ridiculous. You should earn a rank, not just freely receive the one which is "presaved" because of mmr of the account.
Ur wrong btw
There must be some kind of gatekeeping as soon as you go past your MMR with your LP. 100%. I can't explain my ranked experience any other way.
I win 2 games, then get 3 Games against 2 to 3 Smurfs or Booster Duos on the enemy team, while my team is sub par at best. I win 4 to 5 Games I get 5 to 6 Games like this.
Time and time again.
As you say, you would actually have to become a Smurf at your own Elo, or at least play a large amount of Games to overcome this.
@@themanas100 wow thanks there buddy. Thanks for your detailed and long explanatory counter, which showed me the way. All the precedents in the industry account for nothing at all, when faced the the highly intellectual and wise words of Mr. TheManas "ur wrong". Impressive. Very nice.
@@themanas100funny.
That "retention algorithm" is called MMR. Nothing else is necessary to explain what players experience. But you can keep believing in the magic Chinese conspiracy algorithm, dude.
I had bronze in season 2 and 2 years ago I got into masters so, doable
Sometime in life you just gotta say
"Jesus Crist... I can't even juggle DAT DIDLO".
@6:36
idk i win one game of ranked and i face a S1 as a B4… i cant win a game cause of inting teammates or getting matched against someone wayyyy higher rank. i don’t think i’m that good but a little better than B4.
btw i have 15 ranked games played and have won 2
bruh there is most certainly losers q
It Absolutely does neace and its extremely easy to tell if you're in it or not I have a little test I do as jungler at the start of every game I do the guard ping at the entrances of my jungle and if the team stands there to watch for invades it's winners q if they stand anywhere else it's losers q out of my past 20 every game they defended invades I won every game they didn't I lost
Im gonna try that even tho im adc main :)
Bruh I would love it if mmr reset. I’ve stopped playing adc recently cuz I’m tired of dealing with that shit and now on 15w-3l as kindred jung but only gaining 18lp per win and losing 28… like wtf, rito pls
24:41 #Facts. I just wanna get Plat ;-;
i just dont understand why we have divisions when the mmr is everything the system looks at. Genuinly explain this to me please.
Idk kinda hypocritical for homie to say losers queue is not a thing then he himself goes to Korea gets hard stuck and starts crying losers queue
They could open up a ranked hard reset category where everyone has 0 mmr for 1 season to test it...... without messing with ppls other ranks...
What’s more funny is the thumbnail is losersQ. Any human with normal pattern recognition can notice losersQ. It’s not random, true randomness you can’t have predictable strings of wins and losses.
What is it with every bronze coaching wanting to get diamond lol but when you coach silver they want gold or if gold they want plat. Bronze is like fuck that 2 sessions take me to LCS boi mmr go brrrrr
Yes. It does.
I grinded to Silver 1 60lp, I am now back to Silver 4. Do not tell me Loser's queue is not real. My skill level has not changed, only the trolls in my games have been more present the moment I hit Silver 1 and that's a fact.
Na is def harder because they hard stuck your mmr
hard reset why? This season i got 4 new "hard reseted" accounts and in like 15 games i was on all of them in same div im on my main playing from season 2 playing against higher diamonds. Riot system is too good at recognizing your real div.
MMR should be thrown out of the window. If i am stronger than bronze, but bronze 3 i should keep fighting bronze 3 and get higher, not making it me harder for me to win and get to a higher rank where i belong.
If you are wining, the system whants you to loose, and if you are loosing, the system whants you to win... This is not bullshit, this is not just league, this is not theory, this is gamedesign, how to keep players playing , this is pvp queue system 101... Every pvp system is build so you can stay close to 50% winrate, no meter how good or bad you are. So in this type of game, a very good player that plays one or two games a weak will never catch-up a bad player that plays 2 to 5 games a DAY.
Promote to g3, 12 loss streak. Everybody on my team other than me avg 2-3 cs a min and rough avg kda is 2/7/3 every single game. Riot refuses to give me a decent team
I don't see what harm a hard reset would have, even if it was EVERY season. If people are actually as good as their rank they will climb.
The game has too many bots to even think about climbing and I got no patience 😒
the system is super broken rito doesnt even know it that well it's hilarious.
the thing that grabs my goat with the level 1 is afk in base or stacking vision (not covering different invade points)
Yes yes yes
If someone at Diamond rank hasn't played for years, there is no way that person is still at Diamond rank. There's decay, there's a drop-off, there's the simple fact that their mechanics suck. You're throwing out terms that a lot of us other players throw out, but you don't know what they mean.
A "smurf" is someone's other account that they're using after they hit their peak, can't win anymore, and have resorted to stomping on the low-rank players to get their jollies.
"Loser's queue" is when you get multiple games in a row where your teammates cause a game loss, typically common in low rank due to not being a good enough player to carry your 3 pushed lanes or 2 pushed lanes and blind jungler (and that last one is coming from someone who jungles but switches to top lane in hopes of getting a decent jungler). Loser's queue is usually preceded by a series of games where your team was winning.
Loser que 100% Exists! I watch all of your jungle training videos and went on a 12 game win streak an took a break for a couple of days. I came back on a weekend and lost 10 games in a row. I have pretty good mental too. I have all chats muted and only ping with teammates yet I got sooo many AFK teammates, or baby ragers/inters in my games I literally thought I was back in bronze. It made no sense going from decent/equal level games where my actions mattered and influenced the game to games where even if i played perfectly the teammates acted like they didn't want to win. An after a 10 game loss streak I started getting decent teammates and went on another win streak but by the end my elo was back where i started.....
TLDR: Loser que exists if you deny it you're ignorant of the facts lol
Yeah I hate how Neace said no with such conviction. He looks like a fucking idiot or a shill for Riot when he says idiotic stuff like that
Or maybe youre just at your own level lmao, losers queue does not exist. Its just you climbing and all of a sudden youre against much better people
@@noanfelipe4753 you're delusional lol it's in Riot's best interest to have an algorithm to maintain player retention. Other games like Overwatch have patents on a "loser que" algorithm.
3:30 I honestly do not get your point. How does the system believe he is a silver player when it knows his rank is bronze? His MMR is Indeed silver but that is because the system itself made him win the past 7 games. To really get your argument set, you have to go through the past games and review them and conclude to us if he won the games because of his superior skills, carried by others who were able to win the games for him, or matched against opponents that were literally bots. In the end, if the system tries to make you lose to drag down your MMR, it also means that the system tries to make others win to boost their MMR. It is a vicious circle.
it does exist but if you duo or you are smurfing way below your Elo you will be affected way less because you might be able to save one of those doomed games, your pick also matters if you are not on a hyper carry you will win less. it is Riot's way of balancing stuff, keeping you grinding and playing more. anyone who says it doesn't exist is delusional as hell you can see the patterns, once you start winning a lot the system literally kicks in automatically, your Queue timer will be up and your matches will be fixed to have a lower chance to win, winning some of those matches doesn't mean the system doesn't exist, it means you good enough to beat their system a couple of times.
Well not many people put thought of why there Q time went from 1minute to 5 minutes while playing in pretty much same time and same elo as your prev game. And why you are on the team with 2 autofills and 2 ppl with 40% winrate while enemy has 3 ppl 60%+ .
League changes so much if you stop playing for even a few months you’re not really the rank you should be
Maybe I believe in the stalker or something, but I swear I get 2-3 wins in a row? Instantly mentally ill player on my squad, heartsteel grasp mid rek sai. 13 deaths.
Yeah, it happens, but the point of this video is that this guy said he is in loosersq, and his team trolled (which is true) but neace found a billion mistakes on his part too in just first 5 minutes of the game. Had he played the lane correctly maybe he would have been in a position where he is stronger and is able to carry his team. Trust me when i say, bellow like plat there is 0 unwinnable games. Okay, maybe u get terrible teams and at ur level some are unwinable, but if u lose 10 games in a row cuz of the team i bet u everything that if u urself played better in those games u could have won at least 3 or 4 and those games add up overtime
@@uros1270 I never get into losers que cuz I don’t allow it. If I get one, or worse two troll teams in a row, I will just go play a different game, or if I want to keep playing league, go norms or Aram. I think loser’s Q exists mostly because people get trolls and then get frustrated and go nuts instead of just putting the game down for a couple hours. Like today, win 2 in a row, get a troll lose one, just take the +25 LP in the day and be done
For many to get to diamond, it would take work.
For me to get to diamond, it would take beyond obsession.
It's called no lifing bro. I got myself to rank 15 k / 12 mil on osu! by playing the game for 12 hours a day. I used to skip school just to play osu. And low and behold I became really fucking good. With league It's all about understanding rotations and offense and defense.
the ONLY thing that would prove losers que doesnt exist is if you let a silver player destroy a diamond+ account down to gold or silver, then get any coach to climb that account.
Another proof of what losers que is is how you can get a brand new account, shoot up in rank (like how ill effortlessly get plat on a fresh account) but when im on a 10-20 game win streak or up in games to where i have a recent 80% win rate, just to go into a loss streak while also not gaining more lp is garbage, especially if my current climb is affected by fucking around at the beginning of the season, when overall win rate should have 0 affect on where you are in a climb, nobody with a 45-48% win rate should be ranked higher than me and there is no argument to it especially if theres a game im jungling and overall macro or certain actions in the game are entirely out of my control like getting invaded and nobody collapses. Theres infinite arguments to why it exists and just saying perfecting fundamentals is not always the counter argument
meanwhile your mmr games youre playing in does not always refect a climb, like going 32/4 but the next game you play youre playing against a lower rank game is also a shit rank system, if you win your last game, your next game should be the same or higher than your previous game no if ands or butts
Boosters exist. They exist to carry low elo hardstuck accounts...
come oce, this has to be the easiest server to climb. at least up to diamond it is i cant speak beyond that, it took me 2 days to get from plat4 to diamond 2, and i kid you not, it was the least tryahard expereince i have ever had
"I know so"
Why du you work at riot games?
If there's no loser's queue why do I consistently getting teams where there are multiple people that haven't played that champ in over a month? Then we get washed out and I'm like...how was I supposed to win with 2-3 people that don't even know the basic mechanics of their champ. Then that happens 5 games in a row. Hard stuck low gold Diana OTP.
Unfortunately, because you’re in low gold
And I don’t mean that in a dick way- that just sounds like low gold
hi neace i am a masters player na and i think losers' queue exists. let's discuss this topic more sometime.
I’m hard stuck bronze 1 Lee otp, literally get to 90lp then get 5 games with DCs, inters, trolls and enemy Smurf’s. I was agains a plat 1 kha jungle earlier (smurfing in bronze), we lost, he was better than me but the elo system should recognise I didn’t do too bad against him and put in silver.
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“I know so” no you don’t stop with ya bs lol you hit a decent streak they literally stick bots on ur team
Losers Q exists and it's the entire game and how it's made to be played now. Games dead people. Quality of games goes downhill with each passing year.
Jokes aside, ive seen accounts who litterally lose 50% more points than they win. Example, win = 10 lose = 15. As a programmer obviously I can say this is just poor coding, but at the same time its a reality for some low elo folks. Maybe not a hard reset, but it doesnt take a genius to see thats bad for business and the game's health. ANY time a fellow programmer can look at your product and identify obvious coding mistakes, youve already lost alot of respect just because youre lazy with your craft.
No it doesn't. Get good, win games.
Of course this guy isn't going to admit loser's queue exists in league. It would take away from his coaching profits. Mainstream games need people playing, if people could fairly rank up, they'd get what they want and leave the game.
It does exist... But you will climb out of it. The only complaint is that it's a waste of time .... >:(
The problem isn't that the game matches you with better players... But putting trash on your team and better players on the other.
and playing league isn't a waste of time lol?
Problem with low elo is the lack of fundamentals and tendency to int and/or go afk. If you suck in your lane you need to start farming and play safe and don’t give a 1000 gold to the enemy laner for free. Gold is the goal everything in the game is just obstacles to get gold.
The way everyone defends the concept of "Loser's queue" you'd think you all call any number of just losses or bad games "Loser's queue" as if its a conspiracy. Sometimes your wins and losses line up in a row doesn't mean there's a special queue for that. What - is a few wins in a streak then "Winner's queue?"
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silver bronze player complaining about loser's queue.. oh boy.
Idk how Neace can lose a couple games through silver-plat during his climb and still deny the existence of loser's q. I'm not trying to be a dick. Just pointing at basic facts to help us get to the clear and obvious correct conclusion here. Yes, loser's q exists. That's not a question. The question is how much you let it's existence effect you. There are some games that are unwinnable, but that doesn't change the fact that you should still approach each game with a winner's mindset if you truly want to climb.
10 games, one, or sometimes all, lanes losing, and you're getting pinged when the they were feeding and then getting ripped into as the jungle. It's hard to keep a good mental at that point.
having unwinnable games in silver-plat MMR doesn't prove the existence of losers Q
@@JamesBaleLA idk what "unwinnable" means to you. But to the rest of us it means "a game that can't be won." The opposite of winning is losing. So if there is a game where the only outcome is a loss. That's called losers queue. Not sure what's so complicated about this.
@@anthonyfaiell3263 loser’s queue implies repeated consecutive games where you’re put in unwinnable situations, not one off games. It implies riot is trying to force a certain winrate and you’re being placed on a team that is predetermined to lose against who you’re facing. It’s not the case at all. Anyone complaining about losers queue simply doesn’t want to accept that their level of play is contributing to their losses overall. You’re not in losers queue you just need to get better. Everyone has shitty games from time to time and everyone deals with bad teammates. The fact that you will lose some games doesn’t at all prove the existence of losers queue.
@@JamesBaleLA It seems to imply whatever conveniently agrees with your narrative. But let's break it down why don't we? When you play league of legends, how do you get into a game? Is it through a queue maybe? So each individual game you get into, you have to queue for. If you waited in a queue and that end result was a guaranteed loss. That is a loser's queue. A queue that ends in guaranteed loss.
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There is no implication that it has to happen multiple games in a row. The only thing that the words "losers" and "queue" imply is that you you queued into a guaranteed loss.
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If you would like to continue to defend your point, I would love to hear when you set the cutoff for the definition of losers queue games. Is it 2 games in a row? Maybe 3 games in a row? And if you happen to get unwinnable games separated by a normal game those are just isolated queues that ended in guaranteed losses... not loser's queue... Seriously, help me understand.
It does exist and many people have proof
I like how most folks in this comment section are defending the existence of Loser's Queue, meanwhile we see NEACE coaching this player who believes the same thing yet seems to not know how proper laning works. Those are one of the many kinds of people we encounter in this game -- people that dont know what they dont know, or perhaps they do know what theyre doing wrong but by now it's become a bad habit. And yall mean to tell me the algorithm is _purposely_ putting these players in your games to keep YOU down? Yall sound no better than the guy that believed there's some Matrix group stalking low elo players so they can skrim and get better.
If anything, the way NEACE put how MMR works sounds like Skill-based Matchmaking but in increments.
LOL This dude is not right. "Loser queue does not exist"... its been proven statistically that it does. This man is just a person who believe what he hears. Watch @Yasukeh if you actually want data driven intelligence instead of just an average opinion... This dude is below DIAMOND intelligence (not saying hes not great at league maybe) but content doesnt invoke intelligence and being a good person. He can do better though. I believe.
Watched 10 secs/ his intro and wont watch another video.
Neace is wrong for once, it definitely exists.