Freightliner Locomotive test with Union Pacific!

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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
  • Power Haul PH37ACi Freightliner 70012 was revived for testing in March after being stored for a few years. This unit was famous for being dropped upon delivery to the UK and returned to GE where it was repaired and kept for testing. It was the first time tested with UP locomotives.
    #unionpacific #freightliner #wabtec #powerhaul #erie #test #testing
    Stay tuned! it will be testing more in 2024!

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  • @TheCyberSalvager
    @TheCyberSalvager 6 місяців тому +411

    It's quite mind-blowing seeing a UK-spec locomotive running with US ones. I would imagine a lot of this was done when the class 66s were first brought out as well. It also goes to show the difference between the UK and US loading gauges.

    • @22pcirish
      @22pcirish 6 місяців тому +31

      Thanks to the AAR system, the UK classes 66,67 and 70 can run happily in multiple with any American loco!

    • @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire
      @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire 6 місяців тому +11

      @@22pcirish The Class 73/9s can happily work with the Total Operations Processing System class 66s.

    • @charlesburgoyne-probyn6044
      @charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 6 місяців тому +6

      ​@@22pcirishnot quite as the coupling format are incompatible

    • @22pcirish
      @22pcirish 6 місяців тому +14

      @@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 Easily changed. We do use the standard US knuckle coupler here too.

    • @charlesburgoyne-probyn6044
      @charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 6 місяців тому +5

      @@22pcirish UK specimens of Janney coupler are centered at 3'6" draught and are 3/4 size version of what's used in north America

  • @whatxd_hello7
    @whatxd_hello7 6 місяців тому +179

    It's crazy how the British loco look so small compared to the US, truly a man and a giant

    • @abloogywoogywoo
      @abloogywoogywoo 6 місяців тому +7

      Its as long as the US locos, just shorter. ^^

    • @seymoarsalvage
      @seymoarsalvage 6 місяців тому +7

      Loading gauge

    • @digimaks
      @digimaks 6 місяців тому +12

      European sizing. They have far shorter and less weight-intensive trains. Both - US and RUssian locomotives are the biggest machines on the railroads in the world. Both countries are dragging largest freight loads.

    • @maingear7452
      @maingear7452 6 місяців тому +7

      Have to account for their tunnels

    • @billybellend1155
      @billybellend1155 6 місяців тому +8

      @@digimaks
      What about Australia?

  • @dave6695
    @dave6695 6 місяців тому +117

    The UK Freightliner unit shows just how much tighter (aka: restrictive) the UK loading gauge is.

    • @DistanceNsVeterans
      @DistanceNsVeterans 6 місяців тому +19

      Also add to that American Locomotives locomotives Are pure Giants.

    • @canadiantrainperson
      @canadiantrainperson 6 місяців тому +7

      @@DistanceNsVeteransEhhhh, quite long, but visit North America, and you'll see that our locos are much taller and bigger overall.

    • @DistanceNsVeterans
      @DistanceNsVeterans 6 місяців тому +10

      @@canadiantrainperson That's What I mean, American Locomotives Are pure giants, I'm too a American.

    • @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire
      @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire 6 місяців тому +4

      @@DistanceNsVeterans In Great Britain the Total Operations Processing System Class 70 is considered a large loco, we do have some very small locos and multiple units on the mainline for example some units are 2.59m wide and 2.8m tall and have coaches of 15m in length.

    • @DistanceNsVeterans
      @DistanceNsVeterans 6 місяців тому

      @@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire To consider that Most of the diesel are at heights of 12ft, while The steam most of their steam locomotives are 13ft in Britain.

  • @70rrsteve51
    @70rrsteve51 6 місяців тому +54

    Another example of the adage “there’s a prototype for everything”.

  • @christopherpearson4489
    @christopherpearson4489 6 місяців тому +8

    it is a shame that we in britain now buy our locomotives from abroad we were once one of of the greatest builders of locomotives for the world

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 6 місяців тому +2

      The US is in the same boat for passenger rolling stock. Mostly because our main passenger rolling stock builders either went out of business (Pullman) or are now foreign owned due to repeated mergers (Budd who were bought out by Bombardier who was then bought out by Alstom). The busiest locomotive/rolling stock factory in the US now is the Siemens factory in California.

  • @durhsy414
    @durhsy414 6 місяців тому +22

    Incredible to see 012 in action & living after that horrendous visit to England.

    • @we1330
      @we1330 6 місяців тому +5

      It didn't reach England, only managed Wales! ;).

    • @OfficialSEIC2K6
      @OfficialSEIC2K6 6 місяців тому

      Who didn't do their job properly?

    • @olly5764
      @olly5764 6 місяців тому +1

      It never went to England

    • @we1330
      @we1330 6 місяців тому

      @@olly5764 Correct, it got as far as Newport, Wales.

    • @kristoffermangila
      @kristoffermangila 6 місяців тому

      @@OfficialSEIC2K6 the crane maintenance crew and the operator, they didn't check the slings that carried the locomotive, thus it ruptured during the lift and the locomotive fell back to the cargo ship, bending its frame. Result, one unusable locomotive and one cargo ship going to an unscheduled drydock due to the damage to the hold.

  • @jps1179
    @jps1179 6 місяців тому +1

    So 70012 was returned to GE thru Norfolk va via a roro ship. We called it the banana loco. The rig was on a British truck and trailer with a British driver. He drove off the ship to the rail head where 70012 was loaded onto a flat car for transport to Ohio. Never thought it was still here!

  • @GeoffreyBOULTON-v9k
    @GeoffreyBOULTON-v9k 6 місяців тому +2

    the difference in size between the locos is crazy

  • @terrier_productions
    @terrier_productions 6 місяців тому +14

    TBH I forget how small our trains are compared the American’s.

    • @Talesfromtherails8277
      @Talesfromtherails8277 6 місяців тому +1

      Lol

    • @paulw.woodring7304
      @paulw.woodring7304 6 місяців тому +1

      @ZillaJr0527ProductionsCan you imagine how big they would be if the U. S. had adopted the Erie Six-foot gauge, or the UK the original Great Western Seven-foot gauge?

    • @paulw.woodring7304
      @paulw.woodring7304 6 місяців тому +2

      @ZillaJr0527ProductionsLook them up. Not a secret. Before the 1880s there were several different mainline gauges in use in the U. S. That partly hampered moving men and supplies in the American South during the Civil War. The Erie RR had about the widest U. S. gauge. The famed British engineer and inventor Isambard Kingdom Brunel was Chief Engineer of the Great Western Ry. and had it built to a broad gauge of 7' 1/4", for purposes of stability, capacity and speed. After his death in 1859, Great Britain mandated that all mainline railways be conformed to the common standard gauge of 56.5". But imagine what could have been done in terms of speed and equipment size if a broader gauge had been adopted generally!

  • @johnsmart964
    @johnsmart964 6 місяців тому +2

    It is like a narrow gauge locomotive with standard gauge wheels. Many of them are now in G & W Orange colour scheme.

    • @camerar1
      @camerar1 6 місяців тому

      Actually, none have been repainted into G&W Orange. Some were delivered to Colas Rail, which wear a different yellow, orange and black scheme.

    • @johnsmart964
      @johnsmart964 6 місяців тому

      @@camerar1 Thank you, sir for that important information, it is the other great American locomotive at work with Freightliner, the class 66 which is receiving the orange paint scheme. Thank you for the correction, no doubt they will get around to repainting them in orange as time marches forward. I am surprised that no British railroad has wanted to buy that class 70 as it seems to be in good enough condition and they have been reengining old locomotives with modern American ones.

  • @Belleville197
    @Belleville197 6 місяців тому +2

    It's amazing how thoroughly committed the UK has always been to the ugliest locomotive designs possible.
    Considering that North America was settled by various people from mostly Great Britain and Germany, I struggle to understand how railroad equipment evolved so differently here.
    Australia also adopted many North American designs for much of their rolling stock.
    Even eastern European countries have adopted freight car truck designs similar to the Barber S2 standard we see everywhere in North America.
    I'm really perplexed about these stark differences in design, despite similar ancestral backgrounds.
    Perhaps there's something to be said about how the natural environment subconsciously influences how people think.

  • @farflungtraveler
    @farflungtraveler 6 місяців тому +2

    It really shows that our American locomotives can easily dwarf British ones.

  • @TaylorMMontgomery
    @TaylorMMontgomery 6 місяців тому +3

    why do the UK locos have such funky lighting set ups?

    • @Dan-Athema
      @Dan-Athema 6 місяців тому +2

      The lights designate what type of train it is, e.g express passenger, passenger or freight etc

  • @markvogel5872
    @markvogel5872 6 місяців тому +1

    That's a cool thing to see!

  • @TheRealDandyes1997
    @TheRealDandyes1997 6 місяців тому +8

    so strange to see UK train pulling US Trains :O

  • @DKS225
    @DKS225 6 місяців тому

    70012 was being unloaded at Newport when it fell back into the cargo hold from a height of about 20 feet.

    • @EE12CSVT
      @EE12CSVT 6 місяців тому

      It fell onto the concrete of the dockside

  • @pietjebell
    @pietjebell 6 місяців тому +2

    Awesome Railfan video 👍👍👍👍👍🚂

  • @simongleaden2864
    @simongleaden2864 6 місяців тому +1

    As a British railway fan I'm afraid to say that the Class 70 has to be the ugliest diesel locomotive ever to operate on British railways. When you compare it with the classic, clean lines of the Brush Type 4 Class 47 it looks horrible alongside it.

  • @Trek001
    @Trek001 6 місяців тому +1

    Surprised they've kept it in the colours for FL - you would have thought it would have been repainted into something special

    • @loganbaileysfunwithtrains606
      @loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 6 місяців тому

      More shocked it was left in that paint given there’s a semi truck manufacturer named Freightliner in North America, seems like copy write infringement on the name

    • @petec2583
      @petec2583 6 місяців тому

      Makes it even cooler IMO that it's running around over there in Freightliner livery

  • @Nate0493
    @Nate0493 6 місяців тому +2

    Good to see it back, wonder if there’s plans to finally bring it back over?

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 6 місяців тому

      I'm not aware of any plans to bring it back to the UK. GE are using it as a testbed, presumably so they can test any potential modifications to the UK fleet.

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  6 місяців тому +8

      They already built a replacement for it years ago. It helps to research locomotive tech for the UK here.

    • @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire
      @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire 6 місяців тому

      @@stephankoenig5481 Which loco was built to replace it because I can't find the replacement for it.

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  6 місяців тому +1

      @@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire It was the last one in the class i was told.

    • @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire
      @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire 6 місяців тому +1

      @@stephankoenig5481 Just wondering because there are 37 members of the class including 70012, with 30 members being ordered by Freightliner and 7 being ordered by Colas Railfreight. With what I could see is there was no replacement built for 70012.

  • @ronparrish6666
    @ronparrish6666 6 місяців тому

    Now I'm waiting for Thomas the train to follow them down the tracks

  • @Mauscmkwk
    @Mauscmkwk 6 місяців тому

    The scale is impressive

  • @bentullett6068
    @bentullett6068 6 місяців тому

    Suprising how small our UK locomotives look against the US ones.

  • @kieroncousins3134
    @kieroncousins3134 6 місяців тому +3

    Make no mistake class 70is a powerhouse

  • @QuadMochaMatti
    @QuadMochaMatti 6 місяців тому

    It looks odd, a bit like a brightly coloured caterpillar. Look out for the caterpillars on the tracks though, coz they'll get really squishy and super slippery, so Billy Mays will have to come out and fix it with some Hercules Hooks.

  • @robertdavies7664
    @robertdavies7664 6 місяців тому +1

    Is it possible to visit the WABTEC Works at Erie? Can 70012 be seen from a public place when it is stabled inside the Works?

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  6 місяців тому +1

      They don't do tours but it is usually seen from Franklin Avenue.

  • @StormySkyRailProductions
    @StormySkyRailProductions 6 місяців тому +2

    Very interesting catch! -Jenny

  • @GEVOlutionCPKC
    @GEVOlutionCPKC 6 місяців тому

    Amazing hunting 🔥

  • @nickclark2278
    @nickclark2278 6 місяців тому

    Looks like they’ve extended the side gangways out to the American loading gauge - to make it more compatible with platforms??

  • @fels4798
    @fels4798 6 місяців тому

    Wtf, amazing 👍

  • @lawrencenienart6287
    @lawrencenienart6287 6 місяців тому

    Did this locomotive have a GE prime mover, or was a different prime mover installed?

  • @AndreiTupolev
    @AndreiTupolev 6 місяців тому

    You can see why the Gevo engine wouldn't fit in the Class 70 and they had to use one from Jenbacher can't you

  • @mr.sir.
    @mr.sir. 6 місяців тому

    The GE triclops rides again

  • @notverydeep9726
    @notverydeep9726 6 місяців тому

    Would 70012 ever be allowed out of the test facility to haul a rail-tour (which might be referred to as a railfan trip in the US) or would it need more US specific equipment? In the UK these special passenger trains are quite popular with some UK railfans as opportunities for trips behind freight company locos are quite rare...

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  6 місяців тому +1

      It likely will stay in the plant.

    • @loganbaileysfunwithtrains606
      @loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 6 місяців тому +2

      No, it doesn’t meet regulation, doesn’t have a 3rd mounted headlight, no front anti climber to prevent an automobile or other locomotive/rolling stock from climbing into the cab space in an accident. Doesn’t have North American safety couplers, lacks PTC equipment, I’m sure it doesn’t have automatic signal displays in the cab, and it’s likely the cab doesn’t fit the safety standards of a North American style safety cab.
      It would also come down to the freight railroads allowing or disallowing the 70012 to operate an excursion train over their company’s rails and it’s likely, given the reasons above they wouldn’t allow it for liability and potential damage to the rails although that wouldn’t be an issue that’s more for steam locomotives.

    • @notverydeep9726
      @notverydeep9726 6 місяців тому

      @@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 Thanks - I suspected that this would be the case. I assume also the damage from the dockside incident means that it can't be made fit for sale to another UK operator - where several much older freight locos (class 56s and perhaps in future class 60s) are being repowered, suggesting that a lower price 'nearly new' loco would find a buyer otherwise.

    • @loganbaileysfunwithtrains606
      @loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 6 місяців тому

      @@notverydeep9726 idk about it not be able to be resold to another UK buyer, I’d assume that it’s expensive to ship a locomotive across the ocean, also it’s likely in its current configuration it doesn’t meet modern emissions standards for the UK but I don’t know

  • @sprinterofficial8457
    @sprinterofficial8457 6 місяців тому +1

    only problem with the 70 is it has a pathetic horn, if you have it a class 66 horn then that's a proper horn

    • @railvlogger1439
      @railvlogger1439 6 місяців тому +1

      You Americans love your noise.

    • @sprinterofficial8457
      @sprinterofficial8457 6 місяців тому

      @@railvlogger1439 Im British btw, but you got to have a good horn, compare the new CAF units being made in the uk to the sprinters

  • @tomoliver3177
    @tomoliver3177 6 місяців тому

    To think a class 70 is a big loco by our standards..... This video makes it look like a toy!

  • @joebliss3609
    @joebliss3609 6 місяців тому +2

    Thank God it's foreign, and not something for domestic use, cause "it's ugly"! LOL!

    • @imbethondion4572
      @imbethondion4572 6 місяців тому

      It was actually designed and built in the US. But yes, it is ugly!

  • @devernepersonal3636
    @devernepersonal3636 6 місяців тому +2

    i am so thankful that for now the British style of locomotive is not what America uses. good god a face only a mother could pretend to love.

    • @gregoryclark8217
      @gregoryclark8217 6 місяців тому +2

      The class 70 is ugly, and not typical of British locomotives. Check out a Deltic for the top notch locomotive beauty.

  • @N330AA
    @N330AA 6 місяців тому +1

    Imagine dropping a train 😂

  • @The_southern_spotter
    @The_southern_spotter 6 місяців тому

    They stole our trains !! 😂😂

  • @froggienm71
    @froggienm71 6 місяців тому +1

    That is one wussy little horn compared to the American train horns

  • @eyepicyou
    @eyepicyou 6 місяців тому

    What is a bridge car?

    • @callsignapollo_
      @callsignapollo_ 6 місяців тому

      'Coupler bridge' meaning that 809 has couplers that can link up with both AAR knuckle couplers on american diesels and the european couplers on the 012

  • @microbusss
    @microbusss 6 місяців тому +3

    really would like to know how the railway co Freightliner got away with using that name since the USA has a truck co called Freightliner thats been around since 1942!!

    • @eatonjask
      @eatonjask 6 місяців тому +5

      Trademarks are national, not international, unless the company specifically applies for the trademark in another country.

    • @marflitts
      @marflitts 6 місяців тому +2

      @@eatonjask And to add to that Freightliner trucks aren't sold in the UK.

  • @EpicRails
    @EpicRails 6 місяців тому

    I always forget our locos are *B I G*

  • @MartinAndersen-z1n
    @MartinAndersen-z1n 6 місяців тому

    Does not have the fuel capacity as u s for short line work

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 6 місяців тому

      Yes, it's designed for a country where it will never need to run more than about 300 miles on any single job.

  • @THE_flushingtoilet
    @THE_flushingtoilet 6 місяців тому +5

    0:25 that horn is way too quiet
    They should install a louder horn on this unit

    • @keystonedriving8180
      @keystonedriving8180 6 місяців тому +3

      The horn is designed for a country where road users are more inclined to respect grade crossings than those in the US.

    • @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire
      @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire 6 місяців тому +1

      @@keystonedriving8180 Also the horn has two tones to help tell the difference between Trains and Cars.

  • @Madhuntr
    @Madhuntr 6 місяців тому +198

    finally a proper real life comparison of sizes between american and Europpean locos. damn they are so much bigger

    • @audigex
      @audigex 6 місяців тому +60

      British locos are small even by European standards

    • @thechilledonion9313
      @thechilledonion9313 6 місяців тому +15

      @@audigex Yep. The Brits have narrower and smaller tunnels than the rest of Europe.

    • @digimaks
      @digimaks 6 місяців тому +5

      With exception- the Russian (East European) locomotives are also huge, compared to the rest of European fleet. Besides their rail gauge is 1540 mm. The only wider gauge is in India - it's like 2000mm or so.

    • @BobRoss-kl7oc
      @BobRoss-kl7oc 6 місяців тому +6

      @@digimaks Irish rail gauge, which is also used in Australia, is ~1600mm, bigger than Russian/Eastern European gauge

    • @SomeGuy-lw2po
      @SomeGuy-lw2po 6 місяців тому +3

      ​@thechilledonion9313 it's a real shame we didn't look at Europe all those years ago and copy their bigger loading gauge.
      Double decker trains would be very useful in this country

  • @Spookieham
    @Spookieham 6 місяців тому +47

    For the Yanks : the reason the UK loading gauge is much smaller is nearly all our routes and their bridges, tunnels, stations ( and there are countless numbers of them) were built in the middle or late 19th century so we still have to fit under, through or alongside them.

    • @the_earlybirf1170
      @the_earlybirf1170 6 місяців тому +6

      Ah it's pretty similar to why locos like the GE Genisis other more recent passenger locos have a really short height due to Amtrak's tunnel restrictions, we even made a fleet of long distance passenger cars because of those restrictions.

  • @mt5144
    @mt5144 6 місяців тому +111

    Thousands of British Rail Enthusiasts' would be in there ellements to see 70012, It was a Loco which was dropped from the Beluga Endurance ship whilst being unloaded at Newport Docks in Wales UK on 5th Jan 2011 when it was dropped when part of the lifting gear failed, causing the locomotive to fall approximately 13 to 20 ft (4 to 6 m) from the crane, back into the hold of the ship, It was the only Class 70 Loco not to be delivered to Freightliner UK & returned to GE in Erie, USA & It's so nice to see it has been rebuilt & still running the rails.

    • @dogmannz
      @dogmannz 6 місяців тому +7

      Like to know what was on the bottom of the hold to stop it going right through

    • @mt5144
      @mt5144 6 місяців тому +4

      @@dogmannz one of the Ships Crane Slings ruptured & dropped one end of 70012 approx 15ft onto the pontoon deck, shortly followed by the other end as the stress in the second sling was too much, The ship left the dock to travel to Belgium to unload its Grain it was carrying then went into dry dock for repairs to its hold, The loco left by road on a Lo-Loader trailer to Liverpool Docks to be shipped back on the "Atlantic Concert" ship to the port of Norfolk, USA then roaded back to Erie, I also believe the UK Truck Firm was also sent on the Ship holding the loco on its secure trailer.

    • @OfficialSEIC2K6
      @OfficialSEIC2K6 6 місяців тому +3

      70012 is a neat testbed Class 70. Maybe it could be preserved once retired from testbed service.

    • @1701_FyldeFlyer
      @1701_FyldeFlyer 6 місяців тому +1

      They dropped a 66 when it was being unloaded too. Someone wasnt paying attention for that to happen twice!

    • @OfficialSEIC2K6
      @OfficialSEIC2K6 6 місяців тому

      @@1701_FyldeFlyer but what happened to it after it was accidentally dropped?

  • @VexSG
    @VexSG 6 місяців тому +72

    In the UK, Class 70s are quite the locomotive, and it is *very* clear on how restrictive the loading gauge is here than across the pond, the UP Locos make it look like a shunter train more than anything! 😂

    • @OldSchool-px1xk
      @OldSchool-px1xk 6 місяців тому +9

      make no mistake, the Freightline has nearly the same traction power like the EVO series

    • @jamesbuckner4791
      @jamesbuckner4791 6 місяців тому +2

      Nah, Pretty sure switchers are taller and heavier still

    • @sterlingodeaghaidh5086
      @sterlingodeaghaidh5086 6 місяців тому

      It's a pretty good locomotive regardless of size. The U.S is younger so most of our infrastructure was built to accommodate bigger locomotives, but I bet ya that thing could work just as much as the big boys that dominate our tracks.

  • @Cnw8701
    @Cnw8701 6 місяців тому +218

    Never thought I'd see the day when a British locomotive does the American horn sequence! That was awesome!

    • @azrailfan2717
      @azrailfan2717 6 місяців тому +3

      Same here! 😎

    • @redcliffish4390
      @redcliffish4390 6 місяців тому +12

      you won't believe what country the american horn sequence originated in ;)

    • @BNSFrailfan01
      @BNSFrailfan01 6 місяців тому +3

      @@redcliffish4390What country?

    • @tux_the_astronaut
      @tux_the_astronaut 6 місяців тому +4

      Yes its so much more quiet lol

    • @redcliffish4390
      @redcliffish4390 6 місяців тому +5

      @@BNSFrailfan01 England

  • @pacificostudios
    @pacificostudios 6 місяців тому +60

    The horn on the Class 70 is almost drowned out by the roar of the American locomotives. Son of a gun!

    • @Look_What_You_Did
      @Look_What_You_Did 6 місяців тому +1

      The US is big on noise pollution.

    • @pacificostudios
      @pacificostudios 6 місяців тому +2

      @@Look_What_You_Did - British noise standards on locos must be much stricter, because the Class 70 prime mover is 3720 HP, and the American engines are about 4000 HP each. I've noticed that the new Siemens Chargers are much quieter than the F59PH engines they replaced, despite being much more powerful.

    • @Look_What_You_Did
      @Look_What_You_Did 6 місяців тому +6

      @@pacificostudios I suspect some of that is emissions related. Some of the noise pollution differences I can understand. Much of the US rail way is wide open unpopulated. I don't know that a quieter engine is beneficial. The bell, and the horns are deafening. Oh and the rail ways are also deploying stationary horns at select crossings. So not only do you have a horn blowing down the track, but additional horns blowing perpendicular to the track. I have yet to see a horn save anybody in the US.

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 6 місяців тому

      The engine is usually the same. Example the class 66 and 67 use the same EMD 710 prime mover as US spec trains, just in a 12 cylinder variant instead of the 16 cylinder version of the SD70

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 6 місяців тому +1

      @@pacificostudiosThe Chargers have common rail injection and are of a much more modern design, hence being significantly quieter. There is also the SCR box and the DPF in the exhaust system which reduces noise further. UK locomotives aren't necessarily quieter, prime example the class 68 and its rather rowdy exhaust note, it's using a CAT C175-16 engine, which is a tier 4 engine but is using a very minimal muffler if any at all. The EMD F125 also uses the C175 engine, just in the 20 cylinder variant and is a lot quieter, nearly as quiet as the Charger

  • @BNSFrailfan01
    @BNSFrailfan01 6 місяців тому +91

    I’ve always loved how British locomotives are smaller than American locomotives, hence the odd look of having the Freightliner unit in the lead.

    • @abainbridge7762
      @abainbridge7762 6 місяців тому +15

      From a guy living in the UK, we would say how the American locos are bigger than British.🙂

    • @zodiotekgaming
      @zodiotekgaming 6 місяців тому +6

      Loading guage is different

    • @Genius_at_Work
      @Genius_at_Work 6 місяців тому +5

      @@abainbridge7762 European POV, British are a bit small and Americans are huge.

    • @abainbridge7762
      @abainbridge7762 6 місяців тому

      My comment was a joke on the POV from both sides of the Pond.🙂@@Genius_at_Work

  • @nlo114
    @nlo114 6 місяців тому +58

    That's good, 4 passes without catching fire!

    • @michianarailfan
      @michianarailfan 6 місяців тому

      Until pass number 5, where it blows up

  • @3xfaster
    @3xfaster 6 місяців тому +9

    It’s like Flying Scotsman during their USA rail tour, except the Class 70’s trying out the local gym with some American spotters.

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 6 місяців тому +2

      I could just imagine the Flying Scotsman sitting next to 4014 or 3985, the big UP locos would dwarf it.

  • @tvm73827
    @tvm73827 6 місяців тому +21

    Funny, you were distracted by the CSX consist! I would be too 😀

  • @leonkernan
    @leonkernan 6 місяців тому +50

    Reminds me of when they tested a Tasrail (Australia) locomotive in Florida before delivery.
    The roof didn't even reach the top of the next locos nose!

    • @Marci_trains
      @Marci_trains 6 місяців тому +7

      Is there a video of it? As an Aussie I’d love to see that

    • @wolfpacw
      @wolfpacw 6 місяців тому +3

      @@Marci_trains Likewise, especially a tiny little Tasrail loco!

  • @oldrunner55
    @oldrunner55 6 місяців тому +12

    I spent many a late night running engineering tests on 809 back in the 80's when it was new. I was a Measurement Specialist for Locomotive Engineering before retiring in 2000 after 35 years with GE.

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  6 місяців тому

      It would need a complete overhaul but it still can run. It is more useful as a coupler bridge car for the Power Haul units

  • @IowaGrandpaTrain
    @IowaGrandpaTrain 6 місяців тому +17

    Great catch! My guess is that Wabtec is using it to test new components for possible use in the European market. The fact that they added US handrails to it suggests that it will be used more often for that purpose.

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 6 місяців тому +1

      Not sure what they would sell in Europe. Certainly not signaling gear, Wabtec refuses to make an ETCS/ERTMS system since it would be less profitable than their US only I-ETMS system. But Wabtec also keeps suing to prevent US railroads from adopting ETCS/ERTMS even though ETCS and ERTMS are open source standards that anyone can make equipment for.

    • @sterlingodeaghaidh5086
      @sterlingodeaghaidh5086 6 місяців тому +1

      @@mrvwbug4423 They do sell locomotives to the Austrailian Market, as well as GB as referenced by that unit, so its not like they are trying to venture into new territory. Also its not like they have much say in what system is used, the U.S mandated PTC on all class 1 trains, so the European system kinda cant be used anyway.

  • @doesithaveanengine
    @doesithaveanengine 6 місяців тому +35

    I was very confused for a second I was like is this America or the UK 😂

    • @cr10001
      @cr10001 6 місяців тому +2

      Could only be America, in UK the test train wouldn't get far before there was an embarrassing crunch! :)

    • @doesithaveanengine
      @doesithaveanengine 6 місяців тому

      this is very true

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 6 місяців тому +1

      The American locomotives wouldn't get far before taking out some 100+ year old brick viaduct

  • @wolfpacw
    @wolfpacw 6 місяців тому +7

    Certainly a good way to visualise the massive size difference between US and UK locomotives... Gives a rough idea how big Aussie locos (aside from the US imports to WA) would look like side by side too, wow!

  • @Martin_Trainspotter
    @Martin_Trainspotter 3 місяці тому +2

    Brutal captures! I've never seen anything like that before. It's crazy how the class 70 is smaller compared to other American locomotives.

  • @HappyJigg
    @HappyJigg 6 місяців тому +22

    I love the handrails and catwalks tacked on to the side

    • @kristoffermangila
      @kristoffermangila 6 місяців тому

      The Class 70s are built that way...

    • @TheRealAdamBussey
      @TheRealAdamBussey 6 місяців тому

      ​@kristoffermangila not quite, the one in the video has had the catwalks on the sides widened to US loading gauge it seems

  • @awesometrainsandbuses
    @awesometrainsandbuses 6 місяців тому +19

    Wow a class 70 in the United States!

  • @NW-gi1cp
    @NW-gi1cp 6 місяців тому +3

    A British train pulling an American freight train would go hard ngl

  • @Southwest_923WR
    @Southwest_923WR 6 місяців тому +13

    And the dainty little horn says;"pardon me please?"😂

    • @petec2583
      @petec2583 6 місяців тому +3

      It's so annoying how quiet they've made the horns on newer locos. Older 66s are still pretty decent but the later ones (and presumably the 70s, I don't sign them) are like why did I even bother 😂

    • @retrozmachine1189
      @retrozmachine1189 6 місяців тому +4

      More of a case that the rest of the world doesn't deafen everyone within a 10km radius. Research has shown time and time again that it's better to blow the horn occasionally so that people don't get used to it. In the event you need to actually warn someone of impending peril, that's when you go nuts with it. Same applies to many tram systems, ding ding for regular alerting, loud blaring horn for emergencies.

    • @railvlogger1439
      @railvlogger1439 6 місяців тому +3

      Trains in the UK do not sound their horns when approaching crossings.

    • @petec2583
      @petec2583 6 місяців тому +5

      @@railvlogger1439 Unless there's a whistle board or we see something potentially unsafe...

    • @Eddiecurrent2000
      @Eddiecurrent2000 6 місяців тому +3

      Actually it's saying "do you mind awfully, if you might step aside dear fellow" 😉

  • @tracynation2820
    @tracynation2820 6 місяців тому +9

    Super. I have a new reason to have foreign models on my North American themed train layout. 💙 T.E.N.

  • @jasontaylor168
    @jasontaylor168 6 місяців тому +10

    Is it me or did it sound like the two GE's were in dynamic for load testing?

  • @railworksamerica
    @railworksamerica 6 місяців тому +7

    That Freightliner being coupled to the US locos makes it looks like a MOW unit!

    • @NVRAMboi
      @NVRAMboi 4 місяці тому

      My exact thoughts as I first watched it.

  • @Fitzthesamoyed
    @Fitzthesamoyed 6 місяців тому +2

    Compared to the freightliner, those UP’s are beasts

  • @thebrummierailenthusiasts5329
    @thebrummierailenthusiasts5329 5 місяців тому +2

    I’ve got some of the class 70s in my home country and they’re now in their 15th year of service

  • @TheRailfanDan
    @TheRailfanDan 6 місяців тому +4

    What a wild thing to see this combination and makes a locomotive like this look even smaller next to what we are used to in the US.

  • @Wessexshire
    @Wessexshire 6 місяців тому +2

    Interesting to see the size differences between our gauges. Very apparent how restrictive the UK gauge actually is.
    Good catch.

  • @animaltvi9515
    @animaltvi9515 6 місяців тому +1

    Just goes to show not everything has to be big. It still has 3,600 hp . . Never really understood why american ones have to be so big and heavy. Don't really have a huge HP difference over ours.

  • @donovanferrari761
    @donovanferrari761 6 місяців тому +1

    Those European locomotives look and sound pretty wimpy. Even the horn sounds sad.

  • @ffjsb
    @ffjsb 6 місяців тому +1

    Looks like it was built to haul freight at Disneyland...

  • @kieranstravels
    @kieranstravels 6 місяців тому +3

    It's so weird to see one of these alonfside the massive US locos! I see some of it's siblings regularly on the West Coast Main Line here.

  • @TheMichaelWilcock2016Railways
    @TheMichaelWilcock2016Railways 6 місяців тому +1

    ua-cam.com/video/_41zepPH6is/v-deo.html this is the loco leaving Wales on 21.06.2011

  • @modeltrainsandtracks
    @modeltrainsandtracks 6 місяців тому +6

    Definitely needs a new horn if anyone plans to really run it in the US!

    • @thebigtrainguy
      @thebigtrainguy 6 місяців тому +2

      I like the current horn though, if the US ran these, I wish they would actually keep the horn

    • @davidty2006
      @davidty2006 6 місяців тому

      nothing wrong with the 2 tone.

    • @KCSRailstudios
      @KCSRailstudios 6 місяців тому

      @@thebigtrainguyit’s too quiet. In the US trains are required to be heard at least 15 seconds before crossing a railroad crossing. Hence the loud 5-chime K5La’s and K5HL’s our locomotives have

  • @Tom-Lahaye
    @Tom-Lahaye 6 місяців тому +8

    Amazing the difference in the height of the locomotives, but this is already a thing when we see a class 66 next to other locomotives on the continent of Europe where the loading gauge is also taller and wider than in the UK.
    The UK loading gauge is 3,5ft lower than the US standard for non excess height vehicles.
    The older loading gauge for locomotives in Continental Europe to which locomotives are mostly built sits in the middle between the UK and US.
    The latest loading gauge in Europe used for freight vehicles and double decker passenger stock is somewhat similar to AAR plate C, depending on country the width can be between 2" narrower up to 2" wider than the 10'8" in the AAR specifications. Locomotives stick to the older dimensions so that they can run on all lines, including those not rebuilt to newer standards.
    Except for the Betuweroute in the Netherlands, a newly built freight line which has an allowed height similar to AAR plate H of 20'2", no lines in Europe are suited for double stack containers.
    This was done with the expection that a new route between Europe and China would be built to these standards.
    With the current political situation this plan has be halted, the chance that we ever see double stacked trains on this line is nil. For use internally in Europe it would make no sense as rebuilding the old connecting routes is just too expensive, tunnels, bridges and overhead electric lines all need to be raised in height.

    • @detroitdieselseries5071
      @detroitdieselseries5071 6 місяців тому

      Could a SD40-2 run on European rails like in Germany or Poland?

    • @AB-eh9uh
      @AB-eh9uh 6 місяців тому +1

      US market SD40 2 would likely be too wide & close to the height limit for the German loading gauge, although a UK class 59 (closely based on US SD 40 2) was based in Germany for working heavy freight consist’s until a few years ago - I realise that’s not exactly what you asked though!

    • @Tom-Lahaye
      @Tom-Lahaye 6 місяців тому +1

      @@detroitdieselseries5071 On most European railways the width of the SD40-2 is just too wide. In Sweden and the Netherlands the wider loading gauge can accommodate the width, although in both countries the allowed height falls just a couple of inches short.
      On the lines with Russian 5' gauge in Eastern Europe it's not a problem, in Estonia there are former UP GE C30-7 and C36-7s running. The Russian loading gauge is the highest and widest in the world.
      The SP ML4000 locomotives however did do test runs in Germany, but they used a line which had a greater allowance for width and height than the German standards, also dimensions of these locomotives were kept within these tolerances, so the had the tucked in top part of the cabs and were slightly lower than other US locomotives, horns and hand rails were not fitted on the roof and also cab steps were not fitted during testing in Germany.

    • @detroitdieselseries5071
      @detroitdieselseries5071 6 місяців тому

      @@Tom-Lahaye I know a 2TE10 engine went on polish rails from Lithuania to Ukraine recently

    • @Tom-Lahaye
      @Tom-Lahaye 6 місяців тому +1

      @@detroitdieselseries5071 Poland and Slovakia have lines built at Russian 5ft gauge which cross the borders into former Soviet Union territory, here these locomotives can run, there also was a line trough Poland to Berlin on standard gauge of 4'8 1/2" which could accommodate the Russian passenger coaches, the bogies would be swapped from broad gauge to standard gauge where both gauges met.

  • @bradleymcwilliams6348
    @bradleymcwilliams6348 6 місяців тому +12

    That thing is tiny. What's it got in it, a Briggs and Stratton?

    • @Goofyboi2002
      @Goofyboi2002 6 місяців тому +1

      I was going to say-

    • @EE12CSVT
      @EE12CSVT 6 місяців тому +9

      A GE P616 at 3,690 hp

    • @ronparrish6666
      @ronparrish6666 6 місяців тому +2

      Old Tecumseh

    • @FrenchmansFlats51
      @FrenchmansFlats51 6 місяців тому +2

      ill tell ya waht

    • @AndreiTupolev
      @AndreiTupolev 6 місяців тому +5

      3600 hp 16 cyl. Actually made by GE's subsidiary Jenbacher in Austria. See, you can get 3000 hp + without needing to weigh 250 tons! 🤠

  • @Greatdome99
    @Greatdome99 6 місяців тому +1

    That is easily the ugliest locomotive in existence. "A camel is a horse designed by a committee."

    • @cameronwain1254
      @cameronwain1254 6 місяців тому

      Drivers call them "fuglies" for a reason lmao

  • @Mercmad
    @Mercmad 6 місяців тому +2

    I used to do this type of load testing back in the early 70's when working for the NZR in New Zealand. We would couple a New GE loco to a older(a lot older) EMD and pull it up a bank, with the EMD using it's dynamic brake. .On this bank was a tunnel and more than once we could induce a flashover in the traction motors on the unfortunate EMD which would light up the tunnel for brief moment. Amazing how much load can be induced this way and the new General Electric 7FDL-12 would be spewing smoke and sparks as it struggled against the EMD.We coulod get the turbo gauge to read full boost. The GE DX class were supposed to more powerful etc but they were hopelessly unreliable at first with the compressor shafts coming adrift (large shaft flailing about at 1000 RPM made a mess!) .Turbo housing bolts were the wrong grade and were failing and had to be replaced.

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  6 місяців тому

      Great memory! It seems like those kind of issues are common here too.

  • @LucasTrains1
    @LucasTrains1 6 місяців тому +2

    Imagine a Class 37 paired with some American diesels, that would be one heck of a sight with the thrash and the horns.

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 6 місяців тому

      Once you adapted the brakes, US/UK brakes connect opposite of each other.

  • @nstsyaa
    @nstsyaa 6 місяців тому +1

    Is that a B40-8W locomotive? Why does the locomotive have three glass cabs like the SD60M?

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  6 місяців тому +1

      This was the pioneer wide cab locomotive, GE's first one.

  • @s_rv.
    @s_rv. 6 місяців тому +14

    1:39 has to be the sharpest K3 i’ve ever heard

  • @lilbill6089
    @lilbill6089 6 місяців тому +7

    The little Freightshaker gets to come out and play with the big boys!

  • @Daniel-hj8el
    @Daniel-hj8el 6 місяців тому +1

    The comparison between class 70 British Freightliner locomotive and Bigger Gevos is like normal kid meeting up with Football Players☠🤣
    ALSO what are they gonna do for Frightlimer British loco. ( I never thought seeing British locomotive in US)

    • @voidjavelin23
      @voidjavelin23 6 місяців тому

      they will be kept as a test unit

  • @dgattenb
    @dgattenb 6 місяців тому +1

    The US locos were playing with the new toy ...

  • @jacobstrains-vr6uw
    @jacobstrains-vr6uw 6 місяців тому +4

    can we have her now she's fixed?

    • @brandonhurley4135
      @brandonhurley4135 6 місяців тому +1

      you guys lost that privilege to have her back, don't blame us for dropping it

    • @jacobstrains-vr6uw
      @jacobstrains-vr6uw 6 місяців тому

      @@brandonhurley4135 that was the previous guys not this current crew

  • @IESpotter
    @IESpotter 6 місяців тому

    Well thats not something you see everyday! Look at the size difference!

  • @brianrigsby7900
    @brianrigsby7900 6 місяців тому +1

    Freightliner? As in the semi builders?

    • @stephankoenig6113
      @stephankoenig6113 6 місяців тому +1

      Freightliner in this case is the Britsh rail company

  • @trainfan998
    @trainfan998 6 місяців тому +1

    I am amazed how much smaller British locomotives are compared to American locomotives.

  • @trainglen22
    @trainglen22 6 місяців тому +1

    Darn, those British locomotives are so much smaller than the B40-8W.

  • @maddisonhasley4369
    @maddisonhasley4369 6 місяців тому +5

    I never knew the UK and the US ran on the same track gauge, it's quite funny seeing those big American locos being towed by that teeny tiny Class 70, It looks so proud at the front there

    • @StartersOrders
      @StartersOrders 6 місяців тому +2

      Track gauge yes (1435mm), however the US loading gauge is basically several feet higher (nearly double in the west!) and a foot wider.

  • @chuchtinit6624
    @chuchtinit6624 6 місяців тому +1

    Awesome video! Thanks for posting this. If you get another opportunity to see it running though, could you try to catch the coupling point perpendicular as it passes? I’d love to get a better view of the buffers and 3-link on an American locomotive in use.

  • @AliGroves450
    @AliGroves450 6 місяців тому +2

    Odd seeing the Class 70's with larger GE locomotives but its not the first time I have seen it. (GE U20C/GE C30)
    I wonder if 70012 is finally heading into service in the UK?

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  6 місяців тому +8

      Its been here for over 12 years. They use it to test upgrades to other units.

    • @AliGroves450
      @AliGroves450 6 місяців тому

      @@stephankoenig5481 Alright

  • @dominichetherington2287
    @dominichetherington2287 Місяць тому

    And hopefully some company in the u.k. will persuade g.e. to to let us have it back!!!

  • @serenawatkins6875
    @serenawatkins6875 Місяць тому

    Although it's clear British locomotives are smaller, what exaggerates the look is the roof which curves massively towards the edge. Length wise, it doesn't seem to be that much shorter.

  • @alexhajnal107
    @alexhajnal107 6 місяців тому +1

    I'm guessing the UP units are providing a simulated load via their dynamic brakes?