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Your analysis on Gojo was 100% right, though I do believe infinite void would also hit Maki or Toji, since I understood it floods the whole domain with infinite information, but as you said it doesn't really matter. But what about Mahoraga and Rika? No thoughts on them? I was excited for them cuz they seem like some of the strongest cursed spirits around.
The thing is, even with CE, most JJK fights tend to devolve into fistfights and they're pretty much the best at fistfights. So the only thing different about them is how they rely a lot on cursed tools really.
Lmaoooooooo nope he doesn’t. Plus 3 fingers sukuna can use domain so. Btw half finger sukuna > never coming back character and plot device toji, 3 fingers sukuna > trash 0 CE user in SPEED.
@@fucku9849 you realize the only reason sukuna wins is cuz of his domain right and you don’t think toji nor maki could see and react these blades with their sensory abilities
I think Sukuna would have respect for Toji being the strongest with no curse energy, and maybe even more respect when he finds out he's Megamei's Dad. He'll give 6 to 8 finger Sukuna a good fight but idk if he survive his domain he might end up like he did when gojo hit him with the hollow purple
Kenjaku stated jogo to be 8 or 9 fingers strong, so imo jogo is 6 to 7 fingers strong because Kenjaku was being generous with his statement. So toji might give 7 to 8 fingers sukuna a decent fight (not saying he'd win)
With the way how Toji fights I guess he needs some preparation against some of the disaster curse like Jogo but overall he can solo any Curse with his ability.
Given how he fought Geto he can work with the situation hes put in on the fly without issue Gojo was just a special case due to the fact he had the six eyes and infinity which is why Toji was so cautious in his approach
Jogo wouldn't survive any hit from toji with a cursed tool especially playful cloud. The data book said that jogo would have died if he recieved the hits hanami did during yujis and todos beat down
@@make-a-wish2224 yes but that just means that jogo would get folded in one or two playful cloud stikes since both maki and toji are way faster and stronger than todo and yuji. I mean maki dodged mach 3 naoya mid air and casually smashed him to the ground with one punch. The only reason he didn't take damage was because she had no tools at that moment with cursed energy
Jogo's domain is an interesting case because I don't think the immense heat of the domain counts as a "sure hit" effect and therefore would probably still affect toji and maki
@@poguman1872 they cant be hit by the sure hit but obviously the environmental part of the domain still effects them, we know this because in Dagon's domain even when the sure hit was countered by Megumi the characters could still interact with the ocean and island in his domain, this means that the heat in Jogo's domain must also effect Maki and Toji as well
@@Dell-ol6hbthe famous heat who burn absolutely no one hein toji lui fait la misère dans son domain il sera même encore plus dans la merde que s'il était dehors, isoh sur toutes les flammes qu'il envoie il le chope en 2 spi car soyons sérieux hormis Sukuna Gojo et allez soyons gentil Yuta Yuki Kenjaku et Kashimo personne ne rivalise avec sa vitesse.
@natvik6155that was the effect of gojo's infinity when he held on to yuji or else the sure effect would hhave killed yuji please guys be paying attention to detail before speaking , it just makes this harder
actually the "you're not my type"-thing is the correct response for the split mouth women because she gets confused and it allows you to escape like that is how the story of the split mouth women goes
They got absolutely destroyed. Toji is weaker than Year 2 Gojo, who himself is weaker than Year 3 Gojo who’s weaker than JJK0. And JJK 0 Gojo is relative to JJK0 Rika and JJK0 Geto
@@tylermcelfresh9875 Gojo himself said he’d have to risk his life to stop Rika if she rampaged. Geto said he had a 30% chance of beating Gojo and Jujutsu Tech without Rika and 99% of defeating Gojo and the Jujutsu world with Rika, with Gojo literally saying in the scene directly before that Geto wouldn’t start a fight he can’t win. That and Geto was able to figure that Miguel would be able to stall Gojo long enough, so he understands exactly how strong Gojo is
@@jocoolshow Gojo said "I would have risked my life to stop her" to the elders so as to say that there was no danger there when she went rampage. And Geto didnt know how strong rika was before he fought yuta so he didn't really know if he could take gojo with her. During the fight when he sees her ability he says smth like "She is constantly evolving, I want her even more". But truly, Toji is weaker than hidden inventory awakened Gojo, and Rika might be on same scale. But jjk0 Gojo is leagues above anyone. Shortly said, Kenjaku, Gojo, and Yuta are sure wins against toji/maki. Yuki might win but Geto gets outscaled hard, he didn't really get that much stronger after hidden inventory, maybe more experienced
Looking back at it now Jogo definitely did not "eat" a red. Gojo was simply holding back. Jogo took no visible damage from Red while 20f Sukuna just took one to the face and we can see his face is bloodied. No way Jogo is more durable than 20f Sukuna.
I really believe yuta is on their level probably wouldn’t beat them but is comparable and wouldn’t get washed in seconds or one shot like everyone else
@@cringegoblin5227 Yuta is probably weaker than Kenjaku and Yuki. And he’s confirmed by the author to be weaker than Hakari. So it’s either all of them are on that tier or Yuta isn’t the only one there
@@jocoolshow "Confirmed by the author" Its litterally the opposite. Yuta says himself "If Hakari is on a roll, he is stronger than me". Counters: Maki disagrees and it would be in character for Yuta to be humble. The narrator (The best information source) says that he is only second to Gojo (Considering Sukuna exists, he probably meant Sorcerers but that would include Hakari). It also could be that he means if Hakari enters with a Roll on like he did against Kashimo. Yuta in general got stronger after that. Not only did Rika get stronger, but he also got Uro's CT and Dhruv's CT. There is more to point for Yuta than Hakari.
Anyone else notice that the inverted spear of heaven when the blade is put back together William Afton style in theory it kinda looks like the trident 20 finger Sukuna holds in the art Gege made of him, also that’d match the lore of the trident like weapon his real world counter part uses😊
Maki kept up in speed with 15 Finger Sukuna, but if he wasn't being held back in the power of his strength and techniques, I dont think she's beating him at all. But I think that shows that they both could probably handle the lesser 3 Finger Sukuna here. I hadn't realized how slightly old this video was until I saw the comments and really saw the evidence they brought up in the Sukuna section.
Isn't it already proven that Sukuna's domain can hit Maki or Toji because his domain destroied everything in a 140m radius in Shibuja even the buildings that obviously don't have cursed energy
@@frederminoke4301 malevolent shrine unlike most domains isnt a closed domain meaning unless toji stabbed the shrine itself it wouldnt be nullified which cleave and dismantle will kill him many times over before he could reach it
@@shadowboi8620 considering it hit most if not all shibuya all at once near instantly i font think there fast enough and that requires them to know he's going to pull out the domain before he even gets his fingers in position to summon it
This comment is just here for algorithm support, but I will say this was a good one. I like the way you guys interact like you have been boys forever talking about JJK in school. That's not common outside of comedy podcasts. Keep it going boys much love.
@@musahahmed420that doesn't matter? He still wouldn't get hit. He still had his barrier. He was considered the strongest back then, still. Which I HIGHLY doubt would be the case if he couldn't deal with domains lmao.
@@bobdylan1968I think you have a slight misconception about his infinity. The infinity can be broken through by mean of a domain expansion or a domain amplification. That's why when Gojo and Sakuna fight, Gojo had to fall back on simple domain to protect himself from sakuna's domain expansion's sure hit effect. If teen Gojo knew simple domain (which he should) he's still losing in the speed and streangth department by the other curses. So as the previous guy said, Gojo pre awakening loses to the disaster curses.
I appreciate this video it's very interesting I think the biggest difference between toji and maki is the mindset they have when it comes to fighting. I feel like toji is a bit more methodical in the way he approaches fighting the would be the biggest difference at the point. Toji's "fight science" was on point. I'm hoping we see Maki start to make plans like toji it's dope to see another op heavenly restriction user.
I think Toji and Maki can beat all cursed spirits within the series if we exclude Rika, Sukuna and the cursed spirit that Kenjaku will bring to life with the fusion between Tengen and humanity
I think if he had enough time to study and analyze their powers he could, all except maybe a full power sukuna. Sukuna in the first episode gets demolished, sukuna who killed mahoraga kills toji. Mahito would use his domain thinking it will trap toji waste power and get killed
If anything this shows just how important having sufficient and clear information is in these things. Just a few clarifications put them almost a whole tier higher. I realize also, the increased perception they have could potentially make them partially resistant to Unlimited Void's information transfer if it actually hits them, since they process so much info already, even compared to special Grades.
idk how Toji and Maki would take Jogo's fire attacks though, like presumably it would be quite strong against them since they don't have any cursed energy or anything to at least dampen the damage and they'd just have to tank it or dodge it which could be hard, depending on how their speed matches up with Jogo, though I think Jogo is definitely faster. They can regenerate pretty quickly it seems but not really quick enough to be able to handle Jogo's fire attacks I think (unless they have someone helping them to distract Jogo), though they also would win with a few strikes with a strong cursed tool so I think it could go either way but leaning more heavily in favor of Jogo. Jogo just has insanely high attack potency and his fire attacks in particular would be very hard to deal with for Toji and Maki. The war god translation for Maki goes crazy though I agree
Toji le two shot et joue avec lui après heinn il a isoh donc chacune de ses flammes ça va depop il a amplification des 5 sens corps boosté au max du max avec HR la petite chaleur ne va rien lui faire heinn si gojo six eyes on le rappelle ne voyais même pas le boug se déplacer même avant son éveil ça reste 6 eyes ton Jogo verra 3 ombres max, dagon jsais pas quoi mes couilles c'était pas Toji qu'il a affronté c'était toji bridé avec le réceptacle du petit fils a l'autre boufonne rien a avoir avec le toji prime
Ok firstly I can totally see toji of all people doing this. He is faced with Cursed spirit naoya and Naoya is saying "I am him, I am you toji I am you now" and toji just responds with some thing like "...There can only be one" and suddenly he pops up behind Naoya and we would see Naoya just fall apart after being cut in two. Also I just lobe the fact that toji and Maki together can just run through the majority of Curses, of note, that we have seen in the series and Sukuna is just big chilling at the end saying "What's good". Also when yall brought the fight against gojo I was legit thinking "Ok...if the version of Gojo who got whooped by Toji fights them then maybe". However, the second Adult Gojo was the op then I was like "Yeah nevermind the two are getting washed"
I’m like 99% sure Toji is slower then Naoya, considering Maki is slower then him and Toji is supposed to be the same as Maki, so I don’t think he’s out speeding him and cutting him in half before he can react.
3 Finger Sukuna has been a wrench in my rough idea of the scale. The only explanation would be the number of Fingers increases Cursed Energy Capacity/Output linearly or exponentially, but physical abilities increase only somewhat.
About Mahito vs Toji - Mahito thinks, that soul = body and body = soul, since his own body is made from cursed energy only. Also, since Toji doesn't have cursed energy, he'd be considered soulless by Mahito.
i do wonder if zero cursed energy heavenly restriction characters are immune to immeasurable void... it works on normal humans in shibuya, but everyone has a little bit of cursed energy no? it depends on what gojo's domain considers a target, whether it be living things or vessels of cursed energy
i think maybe not, it depends on whether IV targets conscious beings or beings with cursed energy, if it's the former then toji gets hit, but if it's the later, they can avoid the attack
It wouldn't work, here's why, Gojo's Limitless doesn't create infinity with cursed energy, it literally brings the conceptual infinity to real life, the same for his domain, it straight up overloads your brain, I don't think Toji is surviving it
@@Nick-ib3hwthe thing with infinite void is it just floods your brain with info so regardless of cursed energy as long as you have a brain it still works on you
correct me if im wrong but Jogos domain will work on Toji or maki regadless of them not having any cursed energy just because of the heat. He doesnt need the sure hit ability just the heat alone would burn both of them up.
Bruv.....2 finger Sukuna showed off hiz DE to flex....and showed no sign of exhaustion afterwardz.....same thing after 15 finger DE.....this would only imply our man's got a deep deep ass well of CE Reserve.🧐
I think the Jogo fight could go Jogo's way? But he would have to be. Desperately out of character. Because the one thing that really fucks him up is the point -- Jogo never takes fights on good terms for himself. He always just rolls up to Jujutsu Jesus and Satan respectively and is like. "Yeah ill fight on your terms!" Like even when planning Shibuya the curses were baited for Kenjaku right? But he didn't have to fight ANY of these engagements these ways. And there are so many clever ways to use his curse. Like using subsonic vibrations from the ember mosquitoes to screw up their equilibrium and nervous systems or using heat distortion to misdirect and create sight lines and avenues of attack, while also taxing their stamina - But that's not Jogo either so. Yeesh.
I think that a domain expansion from jogo automatically burns Maki and Toji simply because of the heat of the volcano, but if he can't get that off Toji has a really good chance of killing him. Maki less so.
37:56 are we not going talk about that cold ass transition the editor pulled with spilt from cleave to the spilt in the manga panel fuckin goated im putting this on tiktok with a sound frfr
@@NoOperator idk if there are enough shikigami in the verse to do a full vid on but it would be cool to debate which characters could take down Mahoraga! Thanks for the response btw love the content
@@JohnSmith-hk1fz Its stated and no its not stated to be a lie. Jogos Statement is just that he knew and than it flashes to Kenjakus Statement. Mahito supports it by stating Jogo has more CE than 3F Sukuna and more CE normally means being stronger since everyone uses CE to reinforce themselves. Also Max Meteor being able to hurt 15F Sukuna wouldnt make sense if he is below 3F Sukuna.
this is just Toji wank when all his statements and feats are only arguably stronger than 3F sukuna let alone 5 or beyond. Jogo lies between 6-8 although 8 as he said was being generous.
Toji could manage to do it if am being honest it wouldn’t be that difficult against hanami seeing as how Yuji and todo gave him a hard time. Toji could easily kill Yuji and todo in seconds so I doubt he would have a problem with hanami as well as Dagon who it’s already obvious same goes for mahito I doubt mahito can keep up in speed with toji and if toji had good tools at he’s disposal he definitely claps then when it comes to Jogo that one could go either way if am being honest Jogo is extremely powerful and is very underrated I doubt toji could make quick work of him so that one could go either way
@@explosivegrape nah I highly doubt that bro Jogo would burn him easily. Plus kururushi is a curse he’s attacks would barely effect Jogo because he’s using insects Jogo can easily heal himself but if Jogo burn him up that’s death
@@choolwe5564 Well kurourushi would just heal himself from the fire lol. Actually even if he heals himself the bugs are still gonna be inside his body.
@@explosivegrape the bugs would get burned away because he could very easily burn that section to bits without much drain and even then he has a domain expansion to guarantee hit both of them.
@@adrielcruz2736 In my first comment I said if not for domain expansion. Also he could burn the bugs but kurourushi isn’t gonna just let him Recuperate.
only thing i disagree w so far is that jogo’s durability isn’t all that. i remember seeing the author state that jogo is not taking the hits hanami took
right as I reached the end of this video when you started talking about toji losing to gojo, I got a DM from an old friend on discord who'd renamed himself to toji and changed his pfp, and the message was just "👁👄👁"
I think this still holds up pretty well. There are a couple of cursed spirits that might need to get looked at if you were to ever redo this video, like the ones we see attacking the White House. Now, while I think Jogo would lose, his domain in its nature is a super hot environment. Even if they’re not specifically targeted by Jogo’s attacks, I think they would have trouble getting around being inside a volcano
Lmfao a domain is barrier by definition. Your forgetting the floor has a barrier and it’s shown a million times it’ explaind 4 times tegan the best barrier user Reggie there’s a sukuna and higuruma narration ……there’s Barrier on the ground retard….. it’d
@@bonerpants7203 Moving out of 200 meters with over 3 times the speed of sound. It's possible especially since the domain wouldn't initially recognize them so it wouldn't immediately hit him I really wanna see someone just move out of the range of the domain to see if it's possible
@@Hello-xc6jq are you? Sure literally sukuna domain cuts everything in it doesn't matter if they have no curse everything in that 200 meter would get cut
@@GrandWelf It would, but we have to ask how precise he can get with his domain? Without a barrier, can he pick and choose the domain "touches"? Or does it wildly hit everything in his chosen area? We probably can lean a bit further with him potentially being able to avoid touching the inverted spear with his domain-cursed energy. The spear needs to make "contact" with the user or the technique. I think Sakuna can choose within his domain range what to "touch".
Jogo can most likely beat toji and ge can definitely beat maki. In jogo vs toji the fight could go either way but I think it's still a bit in jogo's favour because of his domain and his maximum:meteor.I mean jogo's domain is very dangerous just because of it's heat and since toji and maki don't have any cursed energy to even partly defend themeselves they will die. Toji's body is far more special though so he might last about 40 seconds in there as for about maki she might last only 10 to 15 seconds. And the maximum:meteor is ...well ultra destructive plus it's actually a flaming meteor even if you can avoid getting crushed by it it's shockwave and heat will get you. And toji and maki can't even get on top of the meteor since the meteor is super hot and is completely covered in raging flames. So jogo vs toji is like 55 percent jogo and 45 percent toji and jogo vs maki is like 70 percent jogo and 30 percent maki.
Now that I see this is a re-upload, I understand why y'all are selling Choso so short in this video. Would his potential threat change based on his showing against Kenjaku?
Personally I feel like toji would just straight up and beat most of them, given enough time and such, since the two key reasons he lost was because he didn't listen to his instincts and he didn't know about gojo's new technique, plus, with further body training, he might have been able to go even farther.
He is pretty strong, but main reason he even had a fighting chance against gojo was prep time and surprise attack, as well as having him weakened. If its a fair fight then both comabatants would need prep time and no surprise attacks. Otherwise it isn't finding out who is stronger, only is he able to assassinate them if they dont know he is coming.
@@dankrigby5621 Yeah in a head-on collision toji might be able to escape at best. But if he was given something like the prison realm then I think he could beat gojo
@@dankrigby5621 Well not really, it took geto quite a bit of planning to be able to catch gojo in the prison realm, but cause of tojis speed, he could do so easily, also if he's imprisoned his threat is indefinitely nullified until someone lets him out, effectively beating him.
I might’ve missed this in the section about 3 fingers Sukuna, but was there any mention of Mahito’s statement about Jogo’s strength being ~8-9 fingers? It just makes sense to me that think they’d be much stronger than 3F Sukuna w/o his domain.
I dont know why people keep thinking Gojos domain won't affect Maki. Yeah she has no cursed energy but in my mind Unlimited void simply releases information out within the domain, it doesn't target anything or anyone. So as long as you are a conscious being, you will be affected by the domain. That's how I interpretate it at least.
@@football360_slik kenjaku says the Only things immune to unlimited void is gojo himself and anything he touches. There's no reason to believe cursed energy is the basis for it's function. But if that's the case then fine it won't work
@@alphaife5008 A person without cursed energy appears like an inanimate object in a domain expansion. The manga has explained that. So unless the domain expansion is one that destroys everything it will not affect inanimate objects. Kenjaku was talking in general terms , he didn’t need to specify inanimate objects cos it was obvious he is talking about sorcerers. Based on what we have seen of the manga so far, Gojos unlimited void won’t affect maki or Toji because they are inanimate objects in a domain expansion. It’s like u expecting it to affect a stone. A stone can’t process the experience of unlimited void. The only domain expansion that could affect Toji/maki is Sukuna’s shrine because when it uses cleave it destroys inanimate objects as well. And it’s not a special technique like Gojos, it’s literally using a huge knife or sword to cut things. It doesn’t require a mind or cursed energy to process anything.
38:42 in this specific circumstance unless Sukuna is intimately familiar with a heavenly restriction user I dont see him just swapping to dismantling everything in time before either toji cuts him in half with a thousand yard dagger or Maki just rushes him at full speed. There should be no scenario where two comparable characters are in this scenario and sukuna can 1. React in time 2. Figure out that he needs to attack inanimate objects 2. Recast his domain/impose the rule change. They should be able to at least reach and press him before that. Though with the amp he’d get from having it open I dont see them winning the fight there either way but sukuna doesn’t get the free kill of his domain isnt barrier-less
For Sukuna's barrier-less domain, it really depends on if they have megumi with them, and how fast they could travel 200 meters in a few seconds. OR Since all Domains consider Maki and Toji as inanimate objects, does that mean Sukuna's Domain, which would use dismantle for them; could they see dismantle? because they are definitely fast enough to react to the cursed technique, but if they could just see Dismantle, then they would be able to get closer to Sukuna, but then if he uses the fire that he used against Jogo, they would both become, burnt toast. Or if Toji is able to hit Sukuna with The Inverted Spear of Heaven + The Thousand Mile Chain, since 1000 miles is a larger area, even if Sukuna used the maximum 200 meter range of his Domain, Toji could be able to hit Sukuna with The Inverted Spear of Heaven.
For that person saying Maki can beat gojo adult When you see even sukuna can't beat him easily basically that person is saying Maki can beat sukuna too
Realistically, in terms of strength, neither Maki nor Toji can overpower adult Gojo(not even close). However, if let's say Maki turned evil for some reason, she could at least give him difficulty by exploiting the affection that Gojo has for her, as she's his student. That, however, would only give a guarantee that she won't die in the fight, not assure her a win. Toji could use similar tactics by taking innocent civilian as hostages.
For the mahito fight, don’t forget that their souls and physical forms are completely detached and thus mahito changing the shap of their soul would do absolutely nothing to either of them. He has hax they are specifically designed to be immune to.
Sukuna isnt a cursed spirit, hes an evolved human who figured out how to turn himself into a cursed object and become immortal, he's only called the king of curses because he uses cursed energy and techniques the best, being the pinnacle of Jujutsu, and being more evil than actual curses
@benjaminchavez5770I think Megumis Restriction to his Cursed Energy Output would also affect, Sukunas ability to use Cursed Energy to enhance his physical abilitys
10:47 remeber, choso would only be able to use flowing red scale in his eyes, since he was already getting perspective blitz for a charcter that is way slower than maki and toji.
@@ch4rliegamingLol, a weakened 15F Sukuna who has 10% of his OG CE because Megumi is restricting it. Not to mention, Megumi's physical stats ain't the same as Yuji, so, Sukuna in Megumi's body is arguably worse than with Yuji when it comes to fighting physically. Not only that, it was a 2v1. Keeping up with someone that's being jumped is not a feat to be proud of lol.
Something modern anime is doing that I enjoy is the display of styles make fights. The concept of powerscaling is stupid af and this anime in particular shows that. Toji/maki don’t just win because they’re gods, they use timing, weapons, and maneuvering to be in the best spot to use their skills to maximum effect.
@@zangetsu5221 Yuki didn't blitz it, it's ability just doesn't work on her so it didn't do anything. She's (and her shikigami) immune to like 70% of CT because they can't target her since her mass doesn't exist. And the zero gravity isn't it's only ability. It's ability is to remove obstacles and it's implied it can do that in several ways so the chain doesn't really solve things for him
@@moxbby4585 would it’s technique work on them honestly? There’s no way to know. If it does it’s a hard fight, but I think they take it. If not they stomp
I think people fail to understand this. Jogo couldn't have survived gojo's red. Gojo didn't even throw his red like he did in the movie zero. He just let it explode in his hand and that alone threw jogo far away
@@ryerollsrye824 he can, that's why the red was smaller than the movie. But what i am trying to point is that, Gojo didn't even hit jogo with the smaller red and it didn't that much damage
he still amped it to a degree by explaining his technique so i guess its fair to say that its at least >= the red toji got hit with in hidden inventory.
@@henriquemedranosilva7142he's not though outside the memes sukuna dominated the fight my guy even in the domain clashes and gojo himself stated sukuna was holding back the entire fight
@@mrpodslolgojo is able to overwhelm 20f worth of power Sukuna hand to hand combat. While a heavily supressed 15 finger sukuna keeps up with both maki and yuji in a 2v1.
@@mrpodslol you were talking about fighting capabilities so I assumed hand to hand, and Megumi supressed Sukuna’s CE OUTPUT to approx 10%. That should absolutely include both the strength of his technique and CE reinforcement.
3 Finger Sukuna, JJK0 Rika and Kurourushi clear, Mahito is probably tanking any of their non soul cutting attacks in his final form but they out stat speed him. Jogo, Dagon and maybe Hanami depending on the domain only wins if they accept their domain rules which I don’t see why they would Ganesha probably wins since Kenjaku thought it would be a good curse to fight special grade sorcerer Yuki, and any special grade sorcerer >>> Maki and Toji if Year 2 Gojo could stomp them
@@ikeking6797 It did get one shotted, but mainly because Kenjaku didn’t know Yuki’s technique, and Yuki’s technique is a massive AP buff. We don’t and probably never will know how strong it is, but the fact that he figured it was something he needed to use against a special grade despite using fodder curses for a high tier Grade 1 like Choso says alot
I honestly think looking at the fight that toji or maki could take kurourushi high extreme diff. 3 finger sukuna is so haxed. Not because his stats but I don't see literally any counter to his cursed technqiue. I could only see gojo countering it because he can see cursed energy on such a high level due to his six eyes. I think they beat ganesha cause. He was only using it to see her cused technique not because he thought would win. Also year 2 awakened gojo gives any special grade sorcerer a run for their money if we being honest.
Scaling by feats sukuna(15)>jogo=sukuna(nine)>toji=sukuna(3) So by feats jogo beats toji and maki and Toji are stated as equal don’t get me started on his Hax
@@JohnSmith-hk1fz gojo never said if he was above 3 gojo is the guy who was stated the strongest and the guy who birth changed the jujutsu world and the guy that rivals sukuna gojo is gojo kenjaku siad if I am being generous 8-9 fingers so if he wasn’t it would be around7-8 which would still beat toji and maki
@@SqueakyMcdonald I’m saying Gojo was unsure if Jogo was above 3 Fingers? And again, Jogo thought back on Kenjaku’s charitable deduction and was like “yeah… that was BS”
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The censoring is so cursed NoOp!
UA-cam age restriction sucks.💀
UA-cam fucking sucks
Your analysis on Gojo was 100% right, though I do believe infinite void would also hit Maki or Toji, since I understood it floods the whole domain with infinite information, but as you said it doesn't really matter. But what about Mahoraga and Rika? No thoughts on them? I was excited for them cuz they seem like some of the strongest cursed spirits around.
@@emixam6947 I think NoOp might just think Sukuna is a human and not a spirit. Idk about Rika tho?
@@explosivegrape I didn’t ask about Sukuna? Rika is 100% a cursed spirit
I love the fact that Maki and Toji lack the main power of JJK and like can take out a good 94% of the cas
Kenpachi in bleach
Asta
Lee in Naruto is strong
its a common trope
It's crazy lmao
Lack? I'd say defy. But yes same point.
they're literally rock lee and gai lol
The thing is, even with CE, most JJK fights tend to devolve into fistfights and they're pretty much the best at fistfights. So the only thing different about them is how they rely a lot on cursed tools really.
That fact that 3 finger sukuna takes 90% of the verse is still pretty crazy
Mostly it’s because he has dismantle and cleave which people can’t even see and he’s speed and strength are already on another level
Lmaoooooooo nope he doesn’t. Plus 3 fingers sukuna can use domain so. Btw half finger sukuna > never coming back character and plot device toji, 3 fingers sukuna > trash 0 CE user in SPEED.
@@fucku9849 In what way is he a plot device
@@fucku9849 bro hates characters with heavenly restriction
@@fucku9849 you realize the only reason sukuna wins is cuz of his domain right and you don’t think toji nor maki could see and react these blades with their sensory abilities
At the start of the manga gojo and sukuna : I am the honoured one
Now
sukuna : I am the disgraced one
Gojo : I am the sealed one
😂😂😂
OMG 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Gojo: I am the one who is sealed
Toji: im the 6ft underground one
@@make-a-wish2224 😂😭
I think Sukuna would have respect for Toji being the strongest with no curse energy, and maybe even more respect when he finds out he's Megamei's Dad. He'll give 6 to 8 finger Sukuna a good fight but idk if he survive his domain he might end up like he did when gojo hit him with the hollow purple
He'd cap at 5f. Sukuna is just a different breed.
@@make-a-wish2224 yeah sukunas Power ups after 3 fingers were insane
@@make-a-wish2224 I hope we get to see them fight 🙏
@@Dhdgcvnnnfx im pretty Sure current sukuna would just be an Overkill for maki
Kenjaku stated jogo to be 8 or 9 fingers strong, so imo jogo is 6 to 7 fingers strong because Kenjaku was being generous with his statement. So toji might give 7 to 8 fingers sukuna a decent fight (not saying he'd win)
With the way how Toji fights
I guess he needs some preparation against some of the disaster curse like Jogo but overall he can solo any Curse with his ability.
Given how he fought Geto he can work with the situation hes put in on the fly without issue Gojo was just a special case due to the fact he had the six eyes and infinity which is why Toji was so cautious in his approach
@@1stclassdork578 geto aint all that back then, jogo could take him just as easy. Bro didnt have a Domain or anything
Jogo wouldn't survive any hit from toji with a cursed tool especially playful cloud. The data book said that jogo would have died if he recieved the hits hanami did during yujis and todos beat down
@@cihanoksuz3941 im pretty Sure many characters would have died from all Them combos.
@@make-a-wish2224 yes but that just means that jogo would get folded in one or two playful cloud stikes since both maki and toji are way faster and stronger than todo and yuji. I mean maki dodged mach 3 naoya mid air and casually smashed him to the ground with one punch. The only reason he didn't take damage was because she had no tools at that moment with cursed energy
Jogo's domain is an interesting case because I don't think the immense heat of the domain counts as a "sure hit" effect and therefore would probably still affect toji and maki
they cant be hit by domains cant be targeting spiritutat heavbly restriozoid
@@poguman1872 they cant be hit by the sure hit but obviously the environmental part of the domain still effects them, we know this because in Dagon's domain even when the sure hit was countered by Megumi the characters could still interact with the ocean and island in his domain, this means that the heat in Jogo's domain must also effect Maki and Toji as well
@@Dell-ol6hbthe famous heat who burn absolutely no one hein toji lui fait la misère dans son domain il sera même encore plus dans la merde que s'il était dehors, isoh sur toutes les flammes qu'il envoie il le chope en 2 spi car soyons sérieux hormis Sukuna Gojo et allez soyons gentil Yuta Yuki Kenjaku et Kashimo personne ne rivalise avec sa vitesse.
@@poguman1872you had a stroke at the end there 😂
@natvik6155that was the effect of gojo's infinity when he held on to yuji or else the sure effect would hhave killed yuji
please guys be paying attention to detail before speaking , it just makes this harder
actually the "you're not my type"-thing is the correct response for the split mouth women because she gets confused and it allows you to escape like that is how the story of the split mouth women goes
Would love to see Toji/Maki vs the Special Grade sorcerers now that Yuki and Kenjaku actually have feats
They got absolutely destroyed. Toji is weaker than Year 2 Gojo, who himself is weaker than Year 3 Gojo who’s weaker than JJK0. And JJK 0 Gojo is relative to JJK0 Rika and JJK0 Geto
@@jocoolshow that’s not true at all
@@jocoolshow JJK0 Gojo stomps Rika and Geto lmao
@@tylermcelfresh9875 Gojo himself said he’d have to risk his life to stop Rika if she rampaged. Geto said he had a 30% chance of beating Gojo and Jujutsu Tech without Rika and 99% of defeating Gojo and the Jujutsu world with Rika, with Gojo literally saying in the scene directly before that Geto wouldn’t start a fight he can’t win.
That and Geto was able to figure that Miguel would be able to stall Gojo long enough, so he understands exactly how strong Gojo is
@@jocoolshow Gojo said "I would have risked my life to stop her" to the elders so as to say that there was no danger there when she went rampage. And Geto didnt know how strong rika was before he fought yuta so he didn't really know if he could take gojo with her. During the fight when he sees her ability he says smth like "She is constantly evolving, I want her even more". But truly, Toji is weaker than hidden inventory awakened Gojo, and Rika might be on same scale. But jjk0 Gojo is leagues above anyone.
Shortly said, Kenjaku, Gojo, and Yuta are sure wins against toji/maki. Yuki might win but Geto gets outscaled hard, he didn't really get that much stronger after hidden inventory, maybe more experienced
Looking back at it now Jogo definitely did not "eat" a red. Gojo was simply holding back.
Jogo took no visible damage from Red while 20f Sukuna just took one to the face and we can see his face is bloodied. No way Jogo is more durable than 20f Sukuna.
Probably has more to do with the host body.
Nga that was a point blank red tf
Is 19f not 20
@@tehkaifeng994 Sukuna himself said that eating his body would more than make up for 1 finger.
He's at 20f of strength
@@TheCheshireblack but it only has 19, and he may said it but that 1 finger has a part of his soul in it
1st don't compare Sukuna and Gojo to any character, they're in different Tier than rest of characters, They're Honoured One, they're walking Calamity
I really believe yuta is on their level probably wouldn’t beat them but is comparable and wouldn’t get washed in seconds or one shot like everyone else
@@cringegoblin5227 Yuta is probably weaker than Kenjaku and Yuki. And he’s confirmed by the author to be weaker than Hakari. So it’s either all of them are on that tier or Yuta isn’t the only one there
@@cringegoblin5227
Uro said sukuna is way stronger than yuta
I’d never compare Yuta to Sukuna or Gojo. He is nothing compared to them. The only ones who are actually a little comparable are Angel and Kenjaku.
@@jocoolshow
"Confirmed by the author"
Its litterally the opposite.
Yuta says himself "If Hakari is on a roll, he is stronger than me".
Counters:
Maki disagrees and it would be in character for Yuta to be humble.
The narrator (The best information source) says that he is only second to Gojo (Considering Sukuna exists, he probably meant Sorcerers but that would include Hakari).
It also could be that he means if Hakari enters with a Roll on like he did against Kashimo.
Yuta in general got stronger after that. Not only did Rika get stronger, but he also got Uro's CT and Dhruv's CT.
There is more to point for Yuta than Hakari.
My thing about sukuna's domain expansion is that it hits both cursed energy and non cursed energy things automatically so they are ultrafucked
Anyone else notice that the inverted spear of heaven when the blade is put back together William Afton style in theory it kinda looks like the trident 20 finger Sukuna holds in the art Gege made of him, also that’d match the lore of the trident like weapon his real world counter part uses😊
Yeah it gives me Lord Shiva vibe.
Maki kept up in speed with 15 Finger Sukuna, but if he wasn't being held back in the power of his strength and techniques, I dont think she's beating him at all. But I think that shows that they both could probably handle the lesser 3 Finger Sukuna here. I hadn't realized how slightly old this video was until I saw the comments and really saw the evidence they brought up in the Sukuna section.
Keeping up with someone in a 2v1 is not impressive lol, if it was a 1 on 1 maki would’ve gotten demolished
@@alex-re7zl Agreed.
Counterpoint, that's Megumis body and not Itadori (who is better in every physical stat)
maki low-diff 15 finger lets be serious Thedudeproductions. smoke more of that dubious pack you got from the dealership in thailand
@@alex-re7zl how? we saw them fight one on one during the fight and it didn't seem like Sukuna was physically superior
Isn't it already proven that Sukuna's domain can hit Maki or Toji because his domain destroied everything in a 140m radius in Shibuja even the buildings that obviously don't have cursed energy
Couldn't Toji destroy / nullify the Domain considering he has the Inverted Spear of Heaven?
@@frederminoke4301 malevolent shrine unlike most domains isnt a closed domain meaning unless toji stabbed the shrine itself it wouldnt be nullified which cleave and dismantle will kill him many times over before he could reach it
@@asuraofwrath Fair enough
@asuraofwrath Kinda late, but Couldn't Maki/Toji book it out of the domain's range before Sukuna could begin the technique?
@@shadowboi8620 considering it hit most if not all shibuya all at once near instantly i font think there fast enough and that requires them to know he's going to pull out the domain before he even gets his fingers in position to summon it
Y’all forgot Rika, she’s referred to the “queen of curses”
@@silancer2391 Mahoraga is a shikigami
@@JohnSmith-hk1fz shikigami are just curses conjured by sorcerers
@@thrillainthemanilla1409 No they are not. Nowhere has that ever been stated you are pulling that outta ur ass
@@thrillainthemanilla1409 they are said to be different
@@silancer2391 Shikigamis aren't curse spirits
I know the bleep is censoring the words "kill" and "death" but i think it's REALLY funny to think of them as censoring words like " fuck" or "shit"
Ngl that took me a while to realise lol.
good ol' susan
This comment is just here for algorithm support, but I will say this was a good one. I like the way you guys interact like you have been boys forever talking about JJK in school. That's not common outside of comedy podcasts.
Keep it going boys much love.
I'd love to see Younger Gojou run the Curse Spirit and Sorcerer gauntlet (pre and post Toji awakening if it's required).
Noted!
well if it’s pre toji he’d lose every single one he didn’t have a domain at that point
@@musahahmed420that doesn't matter? He still wouldn't get hit. He still had his barrier.
He was considered the strongest back then, still. Which I HIGHLY doubt would be the case if he couldn't deal with domains lmao.
@@bobdylan1968 we don't know how good his CE enhancement was pre-enlightenment but he could probably still easily body most of the disaster spirits
@@bobdylan1968I think you have a slight misconception about his infinity. The infinity can be broken through by mean of a domain expansion or a domain amplification. That's why when Gojo and Sakuna fight, Gojo had to fall back on simple domain to protect himself from sakuna's domain expansion's sure hit effect. If teen Gojo knew simple domain (which he should) he's still losing in the speed and streangth department by the other curses. So as the previous guy said, Gojo pre awakening loses to the disaster curses.
I feel like Sukuna wouldn't use his domain strictly out of respect for the 1v1
Sukuna has no respect
@@jschibweyvbw1165sukuna has some respect. He appreciates strength and wouldn’t rush to end a fight if he can still have fun.
this didn't age well lmao, bro is a huge fan of jumping
This has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Sukuna doesn’t respect anyone, what were you smoking?
@@Dell-ol6hbhe was just using megumi curse techniques
Gonna run it on loop while I'm sleeping so you guys get your views back.
You're a real one, thank you 🙏🏾
I appreciate this video it's very interesting I think the biggest difference between toji and maki is the mindset they have when it comes to fighting. I feel like toji is a bit more methodical in the way he approaches fighting the would be the biggest difference at the point. Toji's "fight science" was on point. I'm hoping we see Maki start to make plans like toji it's dope to see another op heavenly restriction user.
Excited to rewatch its still a BANGER
Appreciate you 🙏🏾
I think Toji and Maki can beat all cursed spirits within the series if we exclude Rika, Sukuna and the cursed spirit that Kenjaku will bring to life with the fusion between Tengen and humanity
So you think Toji and Maki could beat Kenjaku, cause you didn’t exclude him
@@thomasshepherd8909 isn't kenjaku a sorcerer?
@@absolutezer0367 Is he? I thought he was a weird brain cursed spirit.
@@absolutezer0367 I think by now he’s more a curse because he transferred himself into the brain curse
@@gggallin8279 No he's a sorcerer wtf are you talking about lmao. Same with Sukuna
I think if he had enough time to study and analyze their powers he could, all except maybe a full power sukuna. Sukuna in the first episode gets demolished, sukuna who killed mahoraga kills toji. Mahito would use his domain thinking it will trap toji waste power and get killed
Happy to rewatch since it's a great video
Appreciate you a lot 🙏🏾
If anything this shows just how important having sufficient and clear information is in these things. Just a few clarifications put them almost a whole tier higher. I realize also, the increased perception they have could potentially make them partially resistant to Unlimited Void's information transfer if it actually hits them, since they process so much info already, even compared to special Grades.
rewatching this makes me realize how similar sukuna and gilgamesh from fate is
I had not realised that until now
zashu...
Toji's like batman
With preparation, he can solo most if not all the curse users.
I think he will loss to yuta and yuki.
@@SatoruGojo-ts3ku do they seem like curses to you?
@@make-a-wish2224 he said curse user not curse
Definitely not any of the Special Grades, Yuta, Yuki, Geto and Gojo are just on another level
@@SatoruGojo-ts3ku definitely since Yuta has also physical strength with Rika
This video low key gave me Seth & Swag vibes it felt good and familiar.
true. these two make a good duo
idk how Toji and Maki would take Jogo's fire attacks though, like presumably it would be quite strong against them since they don't have any cursed energy or anything to at least dampen the damage and they'd just have to tank it or dodge it which could be hard, depending on how their speed matches up with Jogo, though I think Jogo is definitely faster. They can regenerate pretty quickly it seems but not really quick enough to be able to handle Jogo's fire attacks I think (unless they have someone helping them to distract Jogo), though they also would win with a few strikes with a strong cursed tool so I think it could go either way but leaning more heavily in favor of Jogo. Jogo just has insanely high attack potency and his fire attacks in particular would be very hard to deal with for Toji and Maki. The war god translation for Maki goes crazy though I agree
Toji le two shot et joue avec lui après heinn il a isoh donc chacune de ses flammes ça va depop il a amplification des 5 sens corps boosté au max du max avec HR la petite chaleur ne va rien lui faire heinn si gojo six eyes on le rappelle ne voyais même pas le boug se déplacer même avant son éveil ça reste 6 eyes ton Jogo verra 3 ombres max, dagon jsais pas quoi mes couilles c'était pas Toji qu'il a affronté c'était toji bridé avec le réceptacle du petit fils a l'autre boufonne rien a avoir avec le toji prime
Ok firstly I can totally see toji of all people doing this. He is faced with Cursed spirit naoya and Naoya is saying "I am him, I am you toji I am you now" and toji just responds with some thing like "...There can only be one" and suddenly he pops up behind Naoya and we would see Naoya just fall apart after being cut in two. Also I just lobe the fact that toji and Maki together can just run through the majority of Curses, of note, that we have seen in the series and Sukuna is just big chilling at the end saying "What's good". Also when yall brought the fight against gojo I was legit thinking "Ok...if the version of Gojo who got whooped by Toji fights them then maybe". However, the second Adult Gojo was the op then I was like "Yeah nevermind the two are getting washed"
I’m like 99% sure Toji is slower then Naoya, considering Maki is slower then him and Toji is supposed to be the same as Maki, so I don’t think he’s out speeding him and cutting him in half before he can react.
3 Finger Sukuna has been a wrench in my rough idea of the scale. The only explanation would be the number of Fingers increases Cursed Energy Capacity/Output linearly or exponentially, but physical abilities increase only somewhat.
Take into account Itadori fighting back against Sukuna’s Soul reducing his output
@@enderking6904they never said yuji did that 💀
Pog! I saw the uncensored version, love your videos man
About Mahito vs Toji - Mahito thinks, that soul = body and body = soul, since his own body is made from cursed energy only. Also, since Toji doesn't have cursed energy, he'd be considered soulless by Mahito.
I fuckin love when a character completely deny’s the worlds rules or power system and wipes their ass with it
Pretty sure sukuna dealt with heavenly restrictions before. Especially bc of the dismantle thing in his DE
That's prolly why he has it
Watched 3 temu ads in a row. Peak content bro
i do wonder if zero cursed energy heavenly restriction characters are immune to immeasurable void... it works on normal humans in shibuya, but everyone has a little bit of cursed energy no? it depends on what gojo's domain considers a target, whether it be living things or vessels of cursed energy
Actually no.
Toji and Maki have zero cursed energy.
i think maybe not, it depends on whether IV targets conscious beings or beings with cursed energy, if it's the former then toji gets hit, but if it's the later, they can avoid the attack
It targets everything
It wouldn't work, here's why, Gojo's Limitless doesn't create infinity with cursed energy, it literally brings the conceptual infinity to real life, the same for his domain, it straight up overloads your brain, I don't think Toji is surviving it
@@Nick-ib3hwthe thing with infinite void is it just floods your brain with info so regardless of cursed energy as long as you have a brain it still works on you
28:56 Y’all got me weak clowning on Naoya 🤣🤣🤣
If maki or toji entered megumi domain. They would instantly drown because they don’t have the cursed energy to channel at their feet.
correct me if im wrong but Jogos domain will work on Toji or maki regadless of them not having any cursed energy just because of the heat. He doesnt need the sure hit ability just the heat alone would burn both of them up.
It only burns the average sorcerer. Yuji was literally fine in it
@@spacemage9453 he was protected by gojo.
@@spacemage9453 Gojo was sharing his infinity with Yuji.
@@spacemage9453yuji was fine because gojo was protecting him
@@mrepicdood9953 gojo can't do that
Bruv.....2 finger Sukuna showed off hiz DE to flex....and showed no sign of exhaustion afterwardz.....same thing after 15 finger DE.....this would only imply our man's got a deep deep ass well of CE Reserve.🧐
Literally built different!
I think the Jogo fight could go Jogo's way? But he would have to be. Desperately out of character. Because the one thing that really fucks him up is the point -- Jogo never takes fights on good terms for himself. He always just rolls up to Jujutsu Jesus and Satan respectively and is like.
"Yeah ill fight on your terms!" Like even when planning Shibuya the curses were baited for Kenjaku right?
But he didn't have to fight ANY of these engagements these ways. And there are so many clever ways to use his curse.
Like using subsonic vibrations from the ember mosquitoes to screw up their equilibrium and nervous systems or using heat distortion to misdirect and create sight lines and avenues of attack, while also taxing their stamina -
But that's not Jogo either so. Yeesh.
I think that a domain expansion from jogo automatically burns Maki and Toji simply because of the heat of the volcano, but if he can't get that off Toji has a really good chance of killing him. Maki less so.
40:06 The way this sounds out of context 💀just listen to this with eyes closed lmao
Love how anyone who hasn’t watched or read JJK would probably think maki and toji were father and daughter
30:49 I’m not done yet with the video cuz how do y’all feel about them vs the queen of curses?!?
what home?
Flyhead is probably one of the strongest curses Gojo has ever faced
37:56 are we not going talk about that cold ass transition the editor pulled with spilt from cleave to the spilt in the manga panel fuckin goated im putting this on tiktok with a sound frfr
What about Mahoraga 🤔 I guess he’s a Shikigami so it doesn’t really count but still interesting to consider
Maybe we'll do a separate video one day!!
@@NoOperator idk if there are enough shikigami in the verse to do a full vid on but it would be cool to debate which characters could take down Mahoraga!
Thanks for the response btw love the content
These videos are so fire!
If we say that Jogo is around 8 fingers and Toji beats him then why is Toji vs 3 finger Sukuna even a conversation?
Because Jogo is nowhere near 8 fingers 😂
@@JohnSmith-hk1fz Its stated and no its not stated to be a lie. Jogos Statement is just that he knew and than it flashes to Kenjakus Statement. Mahito supports it by stating Jogo has more CE than 3F Sukuna and more CE normally means being stronger since everyone uses CE to reinforce themselves.
Also Max Meteor being able to hurt 15F Sukuna wouldnt make sense if he is below 3F Sukuna.
this is just Toji wank when all his statements and feats are only arguably stronger than 3F sukuna let alone 5 or beyond. Jogo lies between 6-8 although 8 as he said was being generous.
@@fortress7493 6-7 I believe
@@Pqihtyieojn12 I'd say 5 fingers lol
Toji could manage to do it if am being honest it wouldn’t be that difficult against hanami seeing as how Yuji and todo gave him a hard time. Toji could easily kill Yuji and todo in seconds so I doubt he would have a problem with hanami as well as Dagon who it’s already obvious same goes for mahito I doubt mahito can keep up in speed with toji and if toji had good tools at he’s disposal he definitely claps then when it comes to Jogo that one could go either way if am being honest Jogo is extremely powerful and is very underrated I doubt toji could make quick work of him so that one could go either way
Ngl Jogo is probably one of the most overrated characters in JJK. Low-key kurourushi violates if not for domain expansion.
@@explosivegrape nah I highly doubt that bro Jogo would burn him easily. Plus kururushi is a curse he’s attacks would barely effect Jogo because he’s using insects Jogo can easily heal himself but if Jogo burn him up that’s death
@@choolwe5564 Well kurourushi would just heal himself from the fire lol.
Actually even if he heals himself the bugs are still gonna be inside his body.
@@explosivegrape the bugs would get burned away because he could very easily burn that section to bits without much drain and even then he has a domain expansion to guarantee hit both of them.
@@adrielcruz2736 In my first comment I said if not for domain expansion. Also he could burn the bugs but kurourushi isn’t gonna just let him Recuperate.
only thing i disagree w so far is that jogo’s durability isn’t all that. i remember seeing the author state that jogo is not taking the hits hanami took
Great video!!! :D
I wonder what gojo did to the inverted spear of heaven
I remember in the manga someone said gojo either destroyed it or sealed it but they're not sure
right as I reached the end of this video when you started talking about toji losing to gojo, I got a DM from an old friend on discord who'd renamed himself to toji and changed his pfp, and the message was just "👁👄👁"
Lord Ganesha cursed spirit can defeat Toji/maki, but Cursed spirit have very low chance to win against Toji/maki
I think this still holds up pretty well. There are a couple of cursed spirits that might need to get looked at if you were to ever redo this video, like the ones we see attacking the White House.
Now, while I think Jogo would lose, his domain in its nature is a super hot environment. Even if they’re not specifically targeted by Jogo’s attacks, I think they would have trouble getting around being inside a volcano
Sukuna has no barriers at all in his domain
Lmfao a domain is barrier by definition. Your forgetting the floor has a barrier and it’s shown a million times it’ explaind 4 times tegan the best barrier user Reggie there’s a sukuna and higuruma narration ……there’s Barrier on the ground retard….. it’d
Bro they just can run away until out of range no?
@@Hello-xc6jq His range is pretty ridiculous. Don't think they can get out of his range faster than he can caste MS
@@bonerpants7203 Moving out of 200 meters with over 3 times the speed of sound. It's possible especially since the domain wouldn't initially recognize them so it wouldn't immediately hit him
I really wanna see someone just move out of the range of the domain to see if it's possible
@@Hello-xc6jq are you? Sure literally sukuna domain cuts everything in it doesn't matter if they have no curse everything in that 200 meter would get cut
i love the thought of the enemy throwing out a domain and these two just fucking say, no.
but with the inverted spear of heaven touches the domain, cant it cancel out ? cuzz he did that fighting geto...
It cancels out techniques not domains
@@Mavuika_Gyaru domain isnt a curse tecnique?
@@GrandWelf It would, but we have to ask how precise he can get with his domain? Without a barrier, can he pick and choose the domain "touches"? Or does it wildly hit everything in his chosen area? We probably can lean a bit further with him potentially being able to avoid touching the inverted spear with his domain-cursed energy. The spear needs to make "contact" with the user or the technique. I think Sakuna can choose within his domain range what to "touch".
@@stanleyc2978 ohhh yea, you have a point, thanks :) to clarify
the fact that we really have to go in depth in the fight maki and toji vs 3f sukuna is crazy 😂
Jogo can most likely beat toji and ge can definitely beat maki. In jogo vs toji the fight could go either way but I think it's still a bit in jogo's favour because of his domain and his maximum:meteor.I mean jogo's domain is very dangerous just because of it's heat and since toji and maki don't have any cursed energy to even partly defend themeselves they will die. Toji's body is far more special though so he might last about 40 seconds in there as for about maki she might last only 10 to 15 seconds. And the maximum:meteor is ...well ultra destructive plus it's actually a flaming meteor even if you can avoid getting crushed by it it's shockwave and heat will get you. And toji and maki can't even get on top of the meteor since the meteor is super hot and is completely covered in raging flames. So jogo vs toji is like 55 percent jogo and 45 percent toji and jogo vs maki is like 70 percent jogo and 30 percent maki.
Maki and toji don't have to walk into a barrier domain unless they choose to. That's one of the buffs they get
@@deadspacemasseffectto touch naoya she had to get in tho
cant they run away, only reason everybody didnt dodge was cause of sukuna
Now that I see this is a re-upload, I understand why y'all are selling Choso so short in this video.
Would his potential threat change based on his showing against Kenjaku?
TOJI VS YUTA ?!
Toji: looks in Nayoa’s directions briefly
Naoya: “senpai noticed me!”
Personally I feel like toji would just straight up and beat most of them, given enough time and such, since the two key reasons he lost was because he didn't listen to his instincts and he didn't know about gojo's new technique, plus, with further body training, he might have been able to go even farther.
Considering Makis body is equal to Toji, training won't help.
He is pretty strong, but main reason he even had a fighting chance against gojo was prep time and surprise attack, as well as having him weakened. If its a fair fight then both comabatants would need prep time and no surprise attacks. Otherwise it isn't finding out who is stronger, only is he able to assassinate them if they dont know he is coming.
@@dankrigby5621 Yeah in a head-on collision toji might be able to escape at best. But if he was given something like the prison realm then I think he could beat gojo
@@yesyes2736 but that would only capture him, not kill him and everybody could defeat anyone if the prison realm is included^^
@@dankrigby5621 Well not really, it took geto quite a bit of planning to be able to catch gojo in the prison realm, but cause of tojis speed, he could do so easily, also if he's imprisoned his threat is indefinitely nullified until someone lets him out, effectively beating him.
I might’ve missed this in the section about 3 fingers Sukuna, but was there any mention of Mahito’s statement about Jogo’s strength being ~8-9 fingers?
It just makes sense to me that think they’d be much stronger than 3F Sukuna w/o his domain.
1)it was a generous statement 2)Toji and maki may just be weaker than jogo 3)Toji is said relative to 3f sukuna in speed
I dont know why people keep thinking Gojos domain won't affect Maki. Yeah she has no cursed energy but in my mind Unlimited void simply releases information out within the domain, it doesn't target anything or anyone. So as long as you are a conscious being, you will be affected by the domain. That's how I interpretate it at least.
You're correct gojo himself had to use 0.2 domain specifically because he thought anymore would kill a the people in the shibuya train station
Same way as how Jogo’s domain would still somewhat affect Maki and Toji, the heat is a byproduct of the domain, not a surefire hit.
@@alphaife5008normal ppl have cursed energy. Maki and Toji don’t have cursed energy.
@@football360_slik kenjaku says the Only things immune to unlimited void is gojo himself and anything he touches. There's no reason to believe cursed energy is the basis for it's function. But if that's the case then fine it won't work
@@alphaife5008 A person without cursed energy appears like an inanimate object in a domain expansion. The manga has explained that. So unless the domain expansion is one that destroys everything it will not affect inanimate objects. Kenjaku was talking in general terms , he didn’t need to specify inanimate objects cos it was obvious he is talking about sorcerers. Based on what we have seen of the manga so far, Gojos unlimited void won’t affect maki or Toji because they are inanimate objects in a domain expansion. It’s like u expecting it to affect a stone. A stone can’t process the experience of unlimited void. The only domain expansion that could affect Toji/maki is Sukuna’s shrine because when it uses cleave it destroys inanimate objects as well. And it’s not a special technique like Gojos, it’s literally using a huge knife or sword to cut things. It doesn’t require a mind or cursed energy to process anything.
38:42 in this specific circumstance unless Sukuna is intimately familiar with a heavenly restriction user I dont see him just swapping to dismantling everything in time before either toji cuts him in half with a thousand yard dagger or Maki just rushes him at full speed. There should be no scenario where two comparable characters are in this scenario and sukuna can 1. React in time 2. Figure out that he needs to attack inanimate objects 2. Recast his domain/impose the rule change. They should be able to at least reach and press him before that. Though with the amp he’d get from having it open I dont see them winning the fight there either way but sukuna doesn’t get the free kill of his domain isnt barrier-less
For Sukuna's barrier-less domain, it really depends on if they have megumi with them, and how fast they could travel 200 meters in a few seconds.
OR
Since all Domains consider Maki and Toji as inanimate objects, does that mean Sukuna's Domain, which would use dismantle for them; could they see dismantle? because they are definitely fast enough to react to the cursed technique, but if they could just see Dismantle, then they would be able to get closer to Sukuna, but then if he uses the fire that he used against Jogo, they would both become, burnt toast. Or if Toji is able to hit Sukuna with The Inverted Spear of Heaven + The Thousand Mile Chain, since 1000 miles is a larger area, even if Sukuna used the maximum 200 meter range of his Domain, Toji could be able to hit Sukuna with The Inverted Spear of Heaven.
still a banger to rewatch!
Fly head literally no difs both of them
Just be happy and BOOM! No cursed spirits
For that person saying Maki can beat gojo adult
When you see even sukuna can't beat him easily basically that person is saying Maki can beat sukuna too
Realistically, in terms of strength, neither Maki nor Toji can overpower adult Gojo(not even close).
However, if let's say Maki turned evil for some reason, she could at least give him difficulty by exploiting the affection that Gojo has for her, as she's his student.
That, however, would only give a guarantee that she won't die in the fight, not assure her a win.
Toji could use similar tactics by taking innocent civilian as hostages.
For the mahito fight, don’t forget that their souls and physical forms are completely detached and thus mahito changing the shap of their soul would do absolutely nothing to either of them.
He has hax they are specifically designed to be immune to.
they can wield soul split katana which requires you to percieve the soul so mahito would get blitzed
Sukuna isnt a cursed spirit, hes an evolved human who figured out how to turn himself into a cursed object and become immortal, he's only called the king of curses because he uses cursed energy and techniques the best, being the pinnacle of Jujutsu, and being more evil than actual curses
I enjoyed this video, however, I think you forgot to mention the tactical weapon that is the locust curse's mind.
Now with the recent developments of how Maki can keep up and hold her own with 15 finger Sukuna I think they’d be bodying all disaster grades
@benjaminchavez5770I think Megumis Restriction to his Cursed Energy Output would also affect, Sukunas ability to use Cursed Energy to enhance his physical abilitys
She was keeping up with a 10% sukuna my guy
10:47 remeber, choso would only be able to use flowing red scale in his eyes, since he was already getting perspective blitz for a charcter that is way slower than maki and toji.
The glazzin is insane. Toji and Maki start losing at Jogo arguably.
Wrong, Maki literally shocked Sukuna (Megumi), and was fighting alongside him
@@ch4rliegamingLol, a weakened 15F Sukuna who has 10% of his OG CE because Megumi is restricting it. Not to mention, Megumi's physical stats ain't the same as Yuji, so, Sukuna in Megumi's body is arguably worse than with Yuji when it comes to fighting physically. Not only that, it was a 2v1. Keeping up with someone that's being jumped is not a feat to be proud of lol.
its an extreme difficulty battle but i guess toji and maki could win
Something modern anime is doing that I enjoy is the display of styles make fights. The concept of powerscaling is stupid af and this anime in particular shows that. Toji/maki don’t just win because they’re gods, they use timing, weapons, and maneuvering to be in the best spot to use their skills to maximum effect.
With info from the newest chapter I also think it's safe to say they also lose to Ganesha
If we're giving toji the chain, then he can move in zero g. And if Yuki can blitz Ganesha, then toji and Maki should be able to as well, imo
@@zangetsu5221 Yuki didn't blitz it, it's ability just doesn't work on her so it didn't do anything. She's (and her shikigami) immune to like 70% of CT because they can't target her since her mass doesn't exist. And the zero gravity isn't it's only ability. It's ability is to remove obstacles and it's implied it can do that in several ways so the chain doesn't really solve things for him
@@moxbby4585 then just sneak on him. Not like itll sense Toji or Maki
@@moxbby4585 would it’s technique work on them honestly? There’s no way to know. If it does it’s a hard fight, but I think they take it. If not they stomp
@@zangetsu5221 first, yuki is stronger than toji/ maki.
Second, Most of technique don't effect yuki.
I can just see Toji did just whip out you glizzy my nigga to grasshopper
I think people fail to understand this. Jogo couldn't have survived gojo's red. Gojo didn't even throw his red like he did in the movie zero. He just let it explode in his hand and that alone threw jogo far away
He can probably change his ce output of red...
@@ryerollsrye824 he can, that's why the red was smaller than the movie. But what i am trying to point is that, Gojo didn't even hit jogo with the smaller red and it didn't that much damage
he still amped it to a degree by explaining his technique so i guess its fair to say that its at least >= the red toji got hit with in hidden inventory.
@@NathanTariku-m5c toji didn't get hit with red, he got hit with purple
@@sagartandurkar4229 he got hit with a red which he blocked with isoh, which still damaged him even though he nullified the effects
25:15 lip sync is insane as if Mahito is introducing himself
Gojo was so strong they had to get rid of him. The story couldn't continue till he was gone
Sukuna is stronger than Gojo but okay
@@fortress7493 sukuna is gojo's pet
@@fortress7493sakunas is kinda being carried in the fight against gojo tho
so uhh@@AKA-oi9ng
@@henriquemedranosilva7142he's not though outside the memes sukuna dominated the fight my guy even in the domain clashes and gojo himself stated sukuna was holding back the entire fight
5:53 because Toji needs money while Maki is just there for the smoke lmaooo
Toji is stated to have Gojo level fighting capablities in the Shibuya arc.
clearly not true
@@Dell-ol6hb idk nothing really disproves it
@@mrpodslolgojo is able to overwhelm 20f worth of power Sukuna hand to hand combat. While a heavily supressed 15 finger sukuna keeps up with both maki and yuji in a 2v1.
@@VanLianTheOne Maki isnt using her equipment, and only Sukunas cursed technique is supressed. His reinforcements are at full power, yeah.
@@mrpodslol you were talking about fighting capabilities so I assumed hand to hand, and Megumi supressed Sukuna’s CE OUTPUT to approx 10%. That should absolutely include both the strength of his technique and CE reinforcement.
Sukuna smacks with 3F . 15f is just overkill
Maki just fought 15 finger while holding back in the manga
3 Finger Sukuna, JJK0 Rika and Kurourushi clear, Mahito is probably tanking any of their non soul cutting attacks in his final form but they out stat speed him. Jogo, Dagon and maybe Hanami depending on the domain only wins if they accept their domain rules which I don’t see why they would
Ganesha probably wins since Kenjaku thought it would be a good curse to fight special grade sorcerer Yuki, and any special grade sorcerer >>> Maki and Toji if Year 2 Gojo could stomp them
Ganesha got one shot by Yuki, so it might not be that strong honestly
@@ikeking6797 It did get one shotted, but mainly because Kenjaku didn’t know Yuki’s technique, and Yuki’s technique is a massive AP buff. We don’t and probably never will know how strong it is, but the fact that he figured it was something he needed to use against a special grade despite using fodder curses for a high tier Grade 1 like Choso says alot
I honestly think looking at the fight that toji or maki could take kurourushi high extreme diff. 3 finger sukuna is so haxed. Not because his stats but I don't see literally any counter to his cursed technqiue. I could only see gojo countering it because he can see cursed energy on such a high level due to his six eyes.
I think they beat ganesha cause. He was only using it to see her cused technique not because he thought would win. Also year 2 awakened gojo gives any special grade sorcerer a run for their money if we being honest.
idk why but I like to listen to this while I do my homework
Scaling by feats sukuna(15)>jogo=sukuna(nine)>toji=sukuna(3)
So by feats jogo beats toji and maki and Toji are stated as equal don’t get me started on his Hax
2022 and people still think Jogo was worth 8-9 fingers 😂
@@JohnSmith-hk1fz it was stated he was 9 any proof that he ain’t didn’t think so
@@SqueakyMcdonald The fact that Kenjaku was being generous, Jogo himself doubted it and Gojo was unsure if he was above 3?
@@JohnSmith-hk1fz gojo never said if he was above 3 gojo is the guy who was stated the strongest and the guy who birth changed the jujutsu world and the guy that rivals sukuna gojo is gojo kenjaku siad if I am being generous 8-9 fingers so if he wasn’t it would be around7-8 which would still beat toji and maki
@@SqueakyMcdonald I’m saying Gojo was unsure if Jogo was above 3 Fingers? And again, Jogo thought back on Kenjaku’s charitable deduction and was like “yeah… that was BS”
Never forget Yuji’s overpowered CT- Left, Right, Goodnight
Only one that beats Toji are 15f Sukuna(or higher, 3f gets stomped and the rest we havent seen)
And rika maybe? Idk
I love that they’re just so powerful without the main power of the story itself
This is how rock Lee needed to be in Naruto
Teen Gojo loses to 3 finger Sukuna we all agree with that? Even after awakening
4:50 he says that cuz thats what youre supposed to say to the spirit in folklore if u dont wanna die