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@@christophersmith9074 Only when you're doing a full secondary build, which you shouldn't. Preussen is an overall better package when you're doing a full-gun build or even a hybrid. People really underestimate 457mm guns with a 21-second reload (it gets even lower with CQC).
@@dafencjusz I don’t know about you but I did not play the German tech tree for a it’s guns I have yami for that and I’m working on Montana don’t get me Rong I have Pruessen too but I’d still play 2ndary of the guns
I was thinking exactly the same thing between thunderer and st. vincent HE shell damage and penetration difference until i realize the shell type is not same. One is saying 457mm HE MkII, other is saying 457mm HE MkIIa. So it’s similar to soviet cruiser gun differences like nevsky-donskoi or donskoi-tallinn. Same caliber soviet guns but fire chance, AP and HE damage per shell is different for each.
Because the intended role for St.Vincent is leaning toward flanking and/or ambush enemy with good maneuverability like the Incomparable. Not to be DPM based battleship and commiting arson. WG just overdo it too much on everything else that it has good range ( 20km-ish. As far as Preussen ), fast rudder and acceleration ( For maneuver in close quater battle. Where it supposed to be )
@@volknetai.3690 yeah but HE shells are still punching and they are starting fires like the enemy ships were soaked into gasoline before the battle. I know this is not a ship to be designed as an HE spammer, but it fits in that role too because of stupidly high fire chance percentage per shell.
@@volknetai.3690 ship is ugly tho, i can’t stand to see the ship in the match so i don’t play it in usual. guess they didn’t overdo it when it comes to beauty. hull shape, superstructure and armament locations are making it look like a freak that just bounced out through the circus door.
this is exactly the reason I didnt want things like airship escort in randoms. In those sorts of modes the german bbs are way more fun and useful. There is absolutely no fing way I would take a preussen or gk into randoms on SEA in the hope I get that mode. Incomp, whilst the guns are fun is also a major issue in randoms given the number of CVs, non-existent AA, plus CV and sub spotting making your conceal useless - you just get focussed and flattened. St Vincent on the other hand is just friggin awesome and have always loved bourgogne - even though the guns dont overmatch.
I think Republic is one of my favorite shops. You can harass like crazy, have the opportunity to hit a lot of sides you shouldn't have the reload for, etc
IMO, you've a good speed, a good range, but guns lack of power and accuracy. Plus you've no radar or boost, that makes Republique really boring to play. It's an old design, that still works, but are far from being really fun to play (a bit similar to sniper yamato/montana).
RE: Columbo: aww Flolo, you don't need to apologize like 'well this is only my opinion...' It's objectively a terrible ship. Horrible dispersion, horrible reload time, bad concealment, bad range, mediocre speed. The only thing that stands out about it as above average is the armor, but German and Russian have better plus C.C. has a low HP pool. Okay, sure, you can get funny 26k SAP volleys on angled ships very rarely and only at the start of the match before superstructures are de-saturated. That's not a very good niche to occupy. I'd love to learn about the mental gymnasium someone would have to construct to argue in this ships favor. RE: StVincent. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking with its citadel design. Many of the other ships in its techtree line (ESPECIALLY the tier 9 Duncan) have very large, very vulnerable citadels, so they at least have SOME shortcoming. Vincent does not, leaving it as you said: A ship with tremendous strengths and no real weaknesses.
Problem I have with most of these ships is the overpens. Republique should curb stomp a broadside BB or CA. But even with a perfect midships shot I get ether over pens or normal pens. Same with Montana.
I just came back to the game after a several month break and wondering if I should bother grinding to the Bungo? Also, I might do something wild and get Lauria with steel instead of the Bourgogne. Or maybe Mecklenburg for satisfying accuracy even though Flamu doesn't like it. I have the Jean Bart and the Republique, I feel that's enough with French BB's.
I like incomp concept but I swear it's like a jb get 2/6 salvos all day I had one good ap salvo at range with mecklenburg citadeling a bb then never again
Honestly, the only thing I don't really agree with is conquerer, it's not about the damage you put out, yeah its insane, but mostly healable, it's about the amount of punishment you can take, I not rarely Tank 5 enemy ships for 10 minutes or longer while my team kills their team. Yes you don't have the gun power to just smack the living hell out of your opponents, but when you have 4 million potential combined with a consistent 200k and yes I know mostly he and fires. It's still a great contribution
idk what youa re talking about .... GK easy secondary farm.... like 3 years ago xD and still now. But Thunderer S .... dude i dont see any Thunderers anymore .. maybe because this think can fuck everything with HE but it gets fucked by every big AP gun. Once you dont angle like a crazy, you get smacked xD
Battleship. It used the same hull, same amour as the Montana. The main difference is that it's superstructure turn into a flight deck. (tho for some reasons, the citadel sit lower compare to Montana)
I'd be curious to see where you rate the BBs from best to worst. That would probably provide a better representation of your thoughts than the tier list format.
St-Vincent torpedoes are really the least argument explaining its power. Low speed, only 1 torpedo per side, stupid launch angles and average to low range. I mean St-Vincent is broken due to its accuracy and high chance of burning target, combined with ok reload time, good tankyness, ok life pool and the super-heal. But torpedoes... comon, it sucks. Its unusual to be at 5 or 6 km from an ennemies, the only range where torpedo is efficient.
Unfortunately, in the current meta you need to have at least 30mm overmatch to make it into A. And Montana has also that little rudder speed problem that WG refuse to acknowledge, which makes Monty painful against subs, CVs and basically any sort of torpedo threat. Still a very good ship tho
@sukuren I'd disagree there. The AP slaps and the HE is incredibly useful for dd killing and bow in targets. This argument is just a classic case of a player who has no clue what Mecklenberg can do. How is legitimately one of the best cruiser killers (if not the best) NOT battle impact...
@@dzello it legit slaps Cruisers and chunks bb health insanely quick. It's not all about big guns when u have a shit ton of accurate ones that can deal with any type of target.
this game is shit always chetea Russian, Russia which had the worst ships in the world and in this game it is the best?! And compared German ships from 1930 to US Russian ships from 1950 to 1960 so 30 years later it's totally stupid, we stop play t(his game bad commander , bad promotion very bad coffre no comment ...
Flamu forgot to mention regarding S-Tier St.Vincent. If ytou use Cunningham (which you REALLY should) you also get another extra super heal after 2 kills AND faster reload after Witherer which you can get in your sleep in this ship.
After years of playing on/off I finally got enough steel to buy another ship and though I am a DD enjoyer for sure, since I already got Bourg I think I'm gonna get Incomp, happy to hear you think it's a decent ship but I'm just worried about CV spotting
Repub needs a serious accuracy buff. One shot can be a laser and the next shot has a spread that goes outside your FOV. Ive always been tempted to get the Leg mod and just play it as a “fuck it” brawler to murder DDs and cruisers with
Republique can’t brawl because armor is 32mm everywhere, meanwhile it’ll suffer from HE and SAP raw damages among with burning and floating while brawling. Also republique leg mod is underwhelming because it decreases your range too much, in some situations you have to maintain your distance to enemy nowadays no matter the ship you play. So you need range too. You will see this when you manage to get the leg mod and will be just running with regular reload mod.
I agree with what you say about Mecklen. It's for sure one of those heavily misused ships that sadly attract mostly SEA bads. It has fast and accurate shells with a huge volume, its AP is amazing at broadside cruisers--very reliably gets devstrikes but sadly 99% of the time they spam HE in spawn. Waste of a ship!
At SEA, I hate this ship so much. I'm a BB main so seeing one of these in a match means I'm pretty much expecting non stop dot damage. SEA is a long range slugfest since any aggressive movement paints a target on your back. Most of the time the enemy cv joins in as well and since your teammate will most likely kite first, you better hope that your team's long range HE spam is better than the enemy.
SEA players on average have incredibly high stats on every server when you take into account how small their region is. There's a difference between SEA spawn camping and the potatoes cruising the border on other servers- those SEA players can _aim._ And in the hands of one of them, Mecklenburg goes from a slightly annoying shell spammer to a genuinely infuriating experience that usually leaves you on multiple fires with half your health gone.
@@kagakai7729 SEA put range mod on everything and selfishly stat-pad every game. This is why SEA is the boring 20 minute every match snoozefest and why they SEA players usually leave their own server to then infest and ruin other servers with their stat-padding behaviour. No coincidence these players are the worst in CB too. They crumple under the slightest bit of pressure. Awful players that "look good" with their stat-padding.
@@Dropbare As much as I hate to admit it, it just works. Winning aggressive games with a hyper defensive server is so bad to play that unless required I just play ranked these days. Why push when the sub, cv, and every other ship with actual long range performance kills you on the spot once you are inevitably spotted one way or the other? You actively have to fight your team and the enemy team at the same time most of the time, a regular player can only take so much before they crumple under the pressure and either quit the game or go long range spam as well. Add to the fact that basic communication is pretty much impossible unless you understand at least 3-5 languages is just too much to reasonably ask.
On ASIA server, Kremlin is D tier at best. E tier probably because Preussen is much better. Everyone plays at 24km every damn game. Cruisers are almost non existent on SEA when I play (evenings) and every game has a CV, 2 subs and 4 DD's. You need a BB that can hit stuff at 24km range. Meaning Yamato is still A tier and Ohio (for me) is D tier - slow shells. But thats me a very average player with only a 53% win rate solo.
Do you know of any streamers on SEA server to watch out for? I've been seeing a 'renamed user' alias about but I don't think it was flamu because he was streaming a different game on twitch at the time
@@dkdragon0 Not a Vermont main but it's really nice to play. That alpha is amazing and the dispersion makes the long reloads count a lot. Just always plan 3 steps ahead on map movement specially if a cv or sub is ingame.
Good vid. I noticed Bungo has AP shells are LIGHTER than the HE, which NEVER happens in history or any other BB in the game (I think?). That lack of mass means pen REALLY suffers. It's going to be an HE spammer. I also think you underrate mecklen. You said "need to push to be useful." The Mecklen is better at pushing than Slava or Shika. It's pretty strong on broadsides with AP, and the accuracy makes it a major CA killer. I'd take it and Bourgogne before Incomp. Not a Monty fan when I have others more fun, but playing against them, seems like it needs to go up one tier, too.
Pretty much agree with most of the tier list. The most annoying BBs to play against are the low concealment ones. The bottom tier BBs are mostly pinatas, although they do get some deck and upper belt armor to make death slower. And some ships are just annoying to deal with even though they don't usually win games (e.g. Conq).
Personally I would rank Mecklenburg a lot higher, it is one of the few ships i get consistent good games with and one of the few ships that score 200K+ dmg very regulary. People just need to learn that just because it is lower calibre you should not use HE as the basic ammo. Load AP 70-80% of the time, it slaps hard! even angled bbs, just aim a little higher.
Great list, generally agree with everything but Imo you massively overrate the Preussen. That ship is a sidegrade of the FDG at the best of times and very similarly to Yodo with cruisers, does nothing that some other BB doesn't do way better. I genuinely think that Preussen should not be compared to normal T10 ships. But otherwise the list is great.
Incomp on SEA feels like an easy C tier. Cv's almost every game who spot you and feast on you (with its turning circle some competent cv's will kill you in two or three torp sorties with ease and 90% torp hit rate). That combined with the passive sniping and people retreating the second shells touch their hull makes it hard to get in range or use the benefits the ship has (which are disgusting if you get a no CV game with people who push).
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Dude GK worse than Colombo? You must be on some drugs :-) It has 12x 406mm guns with 25s reload and its pretty tanky. Yeah its not best BB ever but its not the worst.
Yahh, but it catches fire if you sneeze at it and its like they wash the decks with napalm. It seemed very overpowered when it first came out, especially with how good it's AA is. But again, everyone knows you just lob HE at it and it burns down quickly given it's smallish HP pool. Yes, the guns are accurate, but you spend most of the game managing your repair parties instead just trying to keep it from burning out by halfway through the game.
@@bmvhusky I can see your point and I very much agree you get wrecked by everything, but I don't know, she is just great IMO. You can get anywhere pretty quickly, so you can then wreck unsuspecting targets and thanks to your reload and accuracy you just don't care about rng. Even with her supposed low survivability I am very often surprised with how much potential dmg I have by the end. People just play Mecklenburg incorrectly from afar lobbing HE on BBs or/and just dying prematurely.
The database isn't updated yet, but so far it shows 120k average dmg with 5 battles in randoms which says nothing, but I've had about another 10 or more battles during the weekend with none managing less than that number and about 3 that crossed 200k which again says nothing, I am not a good player, I only have 54% winrate and I have been playing since beta, so yeah. I did use her in some of the previous ranked seasons, so my total battles could be around 50 or so. Still, from what I can muster about the ship, she is comfortable and very reliable.
The problem with colombo was it came out when the deadeye skill existed and it was balanced around that, when they removed deadeye they should have buffed its accuracy... would have put Meckleberg in D (stronger D but it's not a shiki or a slava and certainly not a Montana). Wouldn't have put Vermont in a - it doesn't worry me too much, yes the guns need respect but it burns down and eats torps so easily. I'd rank couq higher too - more fire damage overtime than thunderer - it will win in a 1 on 1 burnfest against one. St Vincent is basically the Battleship Admiral Fischer would have built had he been alive another 15 years and escaped the washington naval treaty.
Shikishima is better than legendary mod Yamato. Dispersion is slightly better (232m vs 238m at 26.6km) with a 23.8 second reload vs 30 second reload on Yamato. Couple that with significantly better AA, to the point that it can actually blunt air strikes at times and Shikishima comes off the better ship, at least in my experience.
Yes, that is my opinion. A ship that performs so well (at least for me) in ranked, cannot be just "trash" in randoms. It is perhaps not allowed to have a different opinion than yours?
Of course you are allowed to have a different opinion, the justification just made zero sense. Ranked and randoms are vastly different, especially for brawling ships like GK.
O.K. I get your point of view. Still "E" class for GK just because you don't like the ship it's unfair under my point of view. Ranked it's plenty of CVs an subs nowadays, so not that far away from randoms anymore, apart from less number of ships that can focus-fire on you at the same time. Accuracy of main guns has improved and I'm frequently getting citadels with its AP, even at long range! Anyway, as I said, this is just my opinion.
hmm. British ships on top Tier in Random ? Vincent is cool but not an S Tier for sure as it cannot carry a game like Ohio, Republique, Preussen or Thunderer. Bourgogne is an S Tier ship. imho
Bro Vincent can and does carry games it's just that the average potato player does nothing but stay at the border and spam HE like it's a conqueror..Vincent has the speed and conceal to shoot ,hide, reposition and outflank enemy ships
It’s hard to rank each ship because it depends what the match up is more often than not. Also depends on how the engagement is taking place. Cover, distance/range and are they bow in or etc
notice all the original tier 10 bbs are relatively in the same tier except yammy, and all the new gimmick bbs from new splits along with premiums are all the ones in s a and b tier
Just use free xp to get the Vermont. Kansas and Minnesota are not fun at all to play. Their guns do not perform well enough to justify a long reload and being painfully slow
@@sdmobiwan I think Iowa is just better. The 406s barely overmatch anything with either ship but it is much easier to get in a good position with Iowa.
Montana is sounding like a lot more interesting ship with the upcoming commander changes. The heals are great for sustaining fires, and while they are nowhere near British levels, you get one more of them as well as AP that deals damage like nobody's business. So slap FP, ERE, Furious and Super-Heavy AP on it, let that single fire burn forever, and enjoy huge damage output on a BB that already has a great DPM and good alpha as is. Sure, you'll be spotted from the moon, but when wouldn't you be spotted anyway these days? Probably gonna be the second best ship to utilise the "let it burn" skills after St Vincent. Gotta enjoy some old ships getting indirect buffs like this.
Schliff is good, when brick does not delete half of its hp right from the nose, or 1 volley of conq HE ends its brawl potential before it starts brawling.
No, this St. Vincent is not one of the best BBs in the game right now. I put 3 citadels into a St. Vincent with a Stalingrad at 15km when he was slightly angled. It has no way to counter a sub that you knocked half these ships down a tier for because they can't fight against them.
Why are there so many OP British BBs? I don't play much but I hoped that all nations are similarly efficient, just different styles. If I'm grinding the IJN line, I would hate to be burnt alive by British BBs simply because of lack of balance, and not difference in skill.
Vermont only has great concelment until you fire=free farm. Combine this with the awful speed means that if you don't have good trigger displine and just fire asap vermont will be painful.
A good list, I dont agree with Ohio being in B I know its sucky with the ASW Thunderer has the same shitty ASW but for me Ohio is Tier A all day with its great heal cooldown. Question I own virtually every ship in this game after 7 years of play but I havent seen anything about buy the R Lauria, how was it available and I cannot see it anywhere anymore?
Ruggiero di Lauria is strong as well but nothing more special than standard Italian BB gameplay except accurate 457mm guns with SAP. But it gets easily deleted on every range and guns are underwhelming for most of the time you’re shooting. Incomparable has a stupidly powerful concealment-speedboost-hydro-super heal-torpedo set of gimmicks and 508mm overmatch. Incomparable is basicly winning this duel.
This list has done a lot of damage in the game... the number of people who play these ships in the ranked is incredible. you have done a lot of damage in the ranked with these lists
@SpartiuS94 I guess I grade on a perspective of a high skill player so that helps it a lot in my view. The survivability and extremely reliable guns is hard to pass on
@SpartiuS94 I still take it over thunderer because it I'd SO much better against most cruisers and the survivability is night and day. As a solo Montana lets you make plays most BBs can't because they're either too soft or they have the Japanese armor hole
As a yammy main i was planning on saving up for slava once unlocking research b but should i just get leg mod instead? Currently use reload mod cuz i suck and need 1 more tech line.
Mecklenburger is a solid C because of the volume of shells it's throwing out. Just start shooting at the start and never stop, you're going to do well until a submarine shotguns you. Monty is a B class ship for sure.
Bro the one main nerf would be to nerf the speed or conceal those 2 things alone play such a vital role in keeping this ship busted if it didn't have the busted speed and conceal then it would be a fun to play and fun to fight against balanced ship and it would still be S tier then it would be great but for now it's ungodly
If you can't get around ships being in the same tier even tho one is far better then the other one, don't make a tierlist but a First place to last place. That might fit better
I pretty much agree with the list as you made it but I do think Preussen got a bad deal. Yeah the gun accuracy can be poor but that reload with 30mm overmatch plus those secondary guns make it a bit of a monster when pushing. I would have put it in C a least but that's just me.
Bungo will be ranked once I have some idea what I'm talking about. Also, REMINDER, I don't think any T10 BB is particularly weak, they can all crush ships, this is just comparing them internally to each other. And of course, just my opinion.
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I would say gk is better the Prussian because it has more guns so should hit more often but other than that idk
How dare you have an opinion, strimma guy. :madge:
@@christophersmith9074 Only when you're doing a full secondary build, which you shouldn't. Preussen is an overall better package when you're doing a full-gun build or even a hybrid. People really underestimate 457mm guns with a 21-second reload (it gets even lower with CQC).
@@dafencjusz I don’t know about you but I did not play the German tech tree for a it’s guns I have yami for that and I’m working on Montana don’t get me Rong I have Pruessen too but I’d still play 2ndary of the guns
on that Vermont clip, Flamu did more damage in one volley than the average player does in a whole match. Brick smash
Uk thats all rng carried if rng said no there he would made 0 dmg
@@aleyad2687 ok and? He still did more damage in one volley than the average player.
@@hooni2212you will never get flamu sperm bruh he has wife
@hooni2212 just saying that thats not a compliment when it not depends full on your skill
@hooni2212 and idk how bad avg is on EU but in NA i dont think 90k dmg is the avg
I was thinking exactly the same thing between thunderer and st. vincent HE shell damage and penetration difference until i realize the shell type is not same. One is saying 457mm HE MkII, other is saying 457mm HE MkIIa. So it’s similar to soviet cruiser gun differences like nevsky-donskoi or donskoi-tallinn. Same caliber soviet guns but fire chance, AP and HE damage per shell is different for each.
Because the intended role for St.Vincent is leaning toward flanking and/or ambush enemy with good maneuverability like the Incomparable. Not to be DPM based battleship and commiting arson. WG just overdo it too much on everything else that it has good range ( 20km-ish. As far as Preussen ), fast rudder and acceleration ( For maneuver in close quater battle. Where it supposed to be )
@@volknetai.3690 yeah but HE shells are still punching and they are starting fires like the enemy ships were soaked into gasoline before the battle. I know this is not a ship to be designed as an HE spammer, but it fits in that role too because of stupidly high fire chance percentage per shell.
@@sdmobiwan Yes. WG overdo that too
@@volknetai.3690 ship is ugly tho, i can’t stand to see the ship in the match so i don’t play it in usual. guess they didn’t overdo it when it comes to beauty. hull shape, superstructure and armament locations are making it look like a freak that just bounced out through the circus door.
this is exactly the reason I didnt want things like airship escort in randoms. In those sorts of modes the german bbs are way more fun and useful. There is absolutely no fing way I would take a preussen or gk into randoms on SEA in the hope I get that mode. Incomp, whilst the guns are fun is also a major issue in randoms given the number of CVs, non-existent AA, plus CV and sub spotting making your conceal useless - you just get focussed and flattened. St Vincent on the other hand is just friggin awesome and have always loved bourgogne - even though the guns dont overmatch.
I think Republic is one of my favorite shops. You can harass like crazy, have the opportunity to hit a lot of sides you shouldn't have the reload for, etc
IMO, you've a good speed, a good range, but guns lack of power and accuracy. Plus you've no radar or boost, that makes Republique really boring to play. It's an old design, that still works, but are far from being really fun to play (a bit similar to sniper yamato/montana).
You're wrong about the boost but I'll give you the rest. It's just 8% tho so it's not that crazy
RE: Columbo: aww Flolo, you don't need to apologize like 'well this is only my opinion...' It's objectively a terrible ship. Horrible dispersion, horrible reload time, bad concealment, bad range, mediocre speed. The only thing that stands out about it as above average is the armor, but German and Russian have better plus C.C. has a low HP pool. Okay, sure, you can get funny 26k SAP volleys on angled ships very rarely and only at the start of the match before superstructures are de-saturated. That's not a very good niche to occupy. I'd love to learn about the mental gymnasium someone would have to construct to argue in this ships favor.
RE: StVincent. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking with its citadel design. Many of the other ships in its techtree line (ESPECIALLY the tier 9 Duncan) have very large, very vulnerable citadels, so they at least have SOME shortcoming. Vincent does not, leaving it as you said: A ship with tremendous strengths and no real weaknesses.
Whatever the rest of the video: FINALLY someone who cares for the correct colour sequence!
Problem I have with most of these ships is the overpens. Republique should curb stomp a broadside BB or CA. But even with a perfect midships shot I get ether over pens or normal pens. Same with Montana.
Make ship reviews as in the good old times!
Yes please.
I just came back to the game after a several month break and wondering if I should bother grinding to the Bungo? Also, I might do something wild and get Lauria with steel instead of the Bourgogne. Or maybe Mecklenburg for satisfying accuracy even though Flamu doesn't like it. I have the Jean Bart and the Republique, I feel that's enough with French BB's.
You be doing CCs and DDs as well? Maybe CAs/CBs and CLs separately?!
I dare not asking about SSs and CVs :D
Could you do a list of tier 10 bbs from ranked battles?
Slava is S tier on weekends, B tier on weekdays. veterans of the game know this. :P
I like incomp concept but I swear it's like a jb get 2/6 salvos all day
I had one good ap salvo at range with mecklenburg citadeling a bb then never again
Just aim higher, who needs citadels in a mecklenburg.
I watched the whole thing expecting you to switch to a rating for ranked because of the title xD
same here, title is a bit misleading
Honestly, the only thing I don't really agree with is conquerer, it's not about the damage you put out, yeah its insane, but mostly healable, it's about the amount of punishment you can take, I not rarely Tank 5 enemy ships for 10 minutes or longer while my team kills their team. Yes you don't have the gun power to just smack the living hell out of your opponents, but when you have 4 million potential combined with a consistent 200k and yes I know mostly he and fires. It's still a great contribution
poor GK, the big ship in a size of a gravity disfunction or what say YURO in his video :-)
The video calls Tier 10 Ranked tier list, but it's Random tier list
idk what youa re talking about .... GK easy secondary farm.... like 3 years ago xD and still now. But Thunderer S .... dude i dont see any Thunderers anymore .. maybe because this think can fuck everything with HE but it gets fucked by every big AP gun. Once you dont angle like a crazy, you get smacked xD
Quick question but is Louisiana a battleship or Battlecruiser?
Battleship. It used the same hull, same amour as the Montana. The main difference is that it's superstructure turn into a flight deck. (tho for some reasons, the citadel sit lower compare to Montana)
@@quocvinhnguyen2063 ah ok thanks
and tier IX dds ?
remember when GK was the trror of the seas? pepperidge farm remembers...
Never was.
Except for S and E tier, it kind of looks well balanced. A few good, many mid tier and a few bad ships.
I'd be curious to see where you rate the BBs from best to worst. That would probably provide a better representation of your thoughts than the tier list format.
St-Vincent torpedoes are really the least argument explaining its power. Low speed, only 1 torpedo per side, stupid launch angles and average to low range. I mean St-Vincent is broken due to its accuracy and high chance of burning target, combined with ok reload time, good tankyness, ok life pool and the super-heal. But torpedoes... comon, it sucks. Its unusual to be at 5 or 6 km from an ennemies, the only range where torpedo is efficient.
Montana definitely A tier at least. A solid ship all around.
Unfortunately, in the current meta you need to have at least 30mm overmatch to make it into A. And Montana has also that little rudder speed problem that WG refuse to acknowledge, which makes Monty painful against subs, CVs and basically any sort of torpedo threat. Still a very good ship tho
Thunderer is def not S-teir anymore.
montana is for me A tier
Let's do a T10 Subs tierlist - puts everything in E
GK needs to be higher then that, it's good for me in randoms
u forgot Sicilia
Hadn't come at that time...there r now some more BBs which would really mess with this ranking
the x ohio is overrated
No way Mecklen is C tier 😂 May not be tanky, but it sure dishes out more damage than any other bb.
Damage over time has significantly less value than burst, so the damage number being higher doesn't mean anything.
big pp dmg numbers vs actual battle impact carry
@sukuren I'd disagree there. The AP slaps and the HE is incredibly useful for dd killing and bow in targets. This argument is just a classic case of a player who has no clue what Mecklenberg can do. How is legitimately one of the best cruiser killers (if not the best) NOT battle impact...
@@dzello it legit slaps Cruisers and chunks bb health insanely quick. It's not all about big guns when u have a shit ton of accurate ones that can deal with any type of target.
@@harryturner9304 That's why it's not D tier.
this game is shit always chetea Russian, Russia which had the worst ships in the world and in this game it is the best?! And compared German ships from 1930 to US Russian ships from 1950 to 1960 so 30 years later it's totally stupid, we stop play t(his game bad commander , bad promotion very bad coffre no comment ...
Flamu pls fix the title of this vid, the title says it's about ranked, but in the video You say it's about randoms
Because he RANKED them in the tierlist, theyre not for ranked
I can’t decide if this is a troll post 🤔
CAN WE HAVE THE LINK TO THIS PLEASE? @flamuu
So we can make our own? Make a tweet maybe with the link and your end screenshot? thx
Are you high? Borgoune a B?
Please keep making these tierlist videos, they're fantastic!
*_Tier List Timestamps_*
0:07 Louisiana
1:44 Colombo
4:15 Shikishima
5:13 Ohio
5:51 Slava
7:16 G. Kurfürst
7:59 Incomparable
8:52 Thunderer
9:20 Bourgogne
10:49 Bungo (Unranked)
11:17 Mecklenburg
13:08 Montana
14:26 Ruggiero di Lauria
16:02 Vermont
19:28 Kremlin
21:31 Preussen
23:03 Schlieffen
24:18 Conqueror
25:10 St. Vincent
29:46 Republique
31:10 Yamato
Flamu forgot to mention regarding S-Tier St.Vincent. If ytou use Cunningham (which you REALLY should) you also get another extra super heal after 2 kills AND faster reload after Witherer which you can get in your sleep in this ship.
After years of playing on/off I finally got enough steel to buy another ship and though I am a DD enjoyer for sure, since I already got Bourg I think I'm gonna get Incomp, happy to hear you think it's a decent ship but I'm just worried about CV spotting
It's fine if you know how to play around being spotted, biggest danger will always be long range gunfire
If a CV or a sub focus on you, you are perma-spotted and dead in short...
Repub needs a serious accuracy buff. One shot can be a laser and the next shot has a spread that goes outside your FOV. Ive always been tempted to get the Leg mod and just play it as a “fuck it” brawler to murder DDs and cruisers with
Republique can’t brawl because armor is 32mm everywhere, meanwhile it’ll suffer from HE and SAP raw damages among with burning and floating while brawling. Also republique leg mod is underwhelming because it decreases your range too much, in some situations you have to maintain your distance to enemy nowadays no matter the ship you play. So you need range too. You will see this when you manage to get the leg mod and will be just running with regular reload mod.
I agree with what you say about Mecklen. It's for sure one of those heavily misused ships that sadly attract mostly SEA bads. It has fast and accurate shells with a huge volume, its AP is amazing at broadside cruisers--very reliably gets devstrikes but sadly 99% of the time they spam HE in spawn. Waste of a ship!
Yeah it's sad, she is amazing when used correctly.
At SEA, I hate this ship so much. I'm a BB main so seeing one of these in a match means I'm pretty much expecting non stop dot damage. SEA is a long range slugfest since any aggressive movement paints a target on your back. Most of the time the enemy cv joins in as well and since your teammate will most likely kite first, you better hope that your team's long range HE spam is better than the enemy.
SEA players on average have incredibly high stats on every server when you take into account how small their region is. There's a difference between SEA spawn camping and the potatoes cruising the border on other servers- those SEA players can _aim._ And in the hands of one of them, Mecklenburg goes from a slightly annoying shell spammer to a genuinely infuriating experience that usually leaves you on multiple fires with half your health gone.
@@kagakai7729 SEA put range mod on everything and selfishly stat-pad every game. This is why SEA is the boring 20 minute every match snoozefest and why they SEA players usually leave their own server to then infest and ruin other servers with their stat-padding behaviour. No coincidence these players are the worst in CB too. They crumple under the slightest bit of pressure. Awful players that "look good" with their stat-padding.
@@Dropbare As much as I hate to admit it, it just works. Winning aggressive games with a hyper defensive server is so bad to play that unless required I just play ranked these days. Why push when the sub, cv, and every other ship with actual long range performance kills you on the spot once you are inevitably spotted one way or the other? You actively have to fight your team and the enemy team at the same time most of the time, a regular player can only take so much before they crumple under the pressure and either quit the game or go long range spam as well. Add to the fact that basic communication is pretty much impossible unless you understand at least 3-5 languages is just too much to reasonably ask.
On ASIA server, Kremlin is D tier at best. E tier probably because Preussen is much better. Everyone plays at 24km every damn game. Cruisers are almost non existent on SEA when I play (evenings) and every game has a CV, 2 subs and 4 DD's. You need a BB that can hit stuff at 24km range. Meaning Yamato is still A tier and Ohio (for me) is D tier - slow shells. But thats me a very average player with only a 53% win rate solo.
exactly my thought.I'm on Asia server too.But how good is vermont?I am hoping to unlock it. Is it good in SEA server?
Do you know of any streamers on SEA server to watch out for? I've been seeing a 'renamed user' alias about but I don't think it was flamu because he was streaming a different game on twitch at the time
@@jamescragg6334AF_is_short_on_water
@@jamescragg6334 Actually no. I normally only catch Flamu maybe once a month, and Statsbloke once a week. I really don't watch many streamers at all.
@@dkdragon0 Not a Vermont main but it's really nice to play. That alpha is amazing and the dispersion makes the long reloads count a lot. Just always plan 3 steps ahead on map movement specially if a cv or sub is ingame.
Good vid. I noticed Bungo has AP shells are LIGHTER than the HE, which NEVER happens in history or any other BB in the game (I think?). That lack of mass means pen REALLY suffers. It's going to be an HE spammer. I also think you underrate mecklen. You said "need to push to be useful." The Mecklen is better at pushing than Slava or Shika. It's pretty strong on broadsides with AP, and the accuracy makes it a major CA killer. I'd take it and Bourgogne before Incomp. Not a Monty fan when I have others more fun, but playing against them, seems like it needs to go up one tier, too.
Pretty much agree with most of the tier list. The most annoying BBs to play against are the low concealment ones. The bottom tier BBs are mostly pinatas, although they do get some deck and upper belt armor to make death slower. And some ships are just annoying to deal with even though they don't usually win games (e.g. Conq).
Kurfurst tier D?? I think it happens only when you don't understand how to use it lol
Personally I would rank Mecklenburg a lot higher, it is one of the few ships i get consistent good games with and one of the few ships that score 200K+ dmg very regulary. People just need to learn that just because it is lower calibre you should not use HE as the basic ammo. Load AP 70-80% of the time, it slaps hard! even angled bbs, just aim a little higher.
*_The eponyms of an Battleship's are on the bottom.... WTF?!?!?!?!??_* 👎
Flamu makes the best tier list videos ive ever seen
You dont watch much videos :)
420 dank gun GK is actually my go-to BB, buffed its heal a while back, it does really well. As a gun bb, not secondary.
Great list, generally agree with everything but Imo you massively overrate the Preussen. That ship is a sidegrade of the FDG at the best of times and very similarly to Yodo with cruisers, does nothing that some other BB doesn't do way better. I genuinely think that Preussen should not be compared to normal T10 ships. But otherwise the list is great.
Honestly, the things that make a GK bad in randoms, impact a Schlieffen even worse and she has less forgiving Armor, HP and lomg range capabilities.
Incomp on SEA feels like an easy C tier. Cv's almost every game who spot you and feast on you (with its turning circle some competent cv's will kill you in two or three torp sorties with ease and 90% torp hit rate). That combined with the passive sniping and people retreating the second shells touch their hull makes it hard to get in range or use the benefits the ship has (which are disgusting if you get a no CV game with people who push).
100% agree with this - incomp v difficult to play on SEA. Its v v v v rare I see a no CV game and without stealth she gets smashed pretty quickly.
Flamu Thank you so much for your work. I just watched Das Boot and it was brutal. I badly needed something to calm my nerves or else I wouldn't sleep. Thank you
My man has no cliue how painfull it is to play Incomp these days since he doesnt play it what so ever.
Dude GK worse than Colombo? You must be on some drugs :-) It has 12x 406mm guns with 25s reload and its pretty tanky. Yeah its not best BB ever but its not the worst.
Kansas VIII = Cheeseburger.
Minnesota IX = Double Cheeseburger.
Vermont X = Triple Cheeseburger.
Mecklenburg is maybe a mediocre battleship, but as a pure gun platform it is very dangerous. I have probably the highest average dmg rating in her.
Yahh, but it catches fire if you sneeze at it and its like they wash the decks with napalm. It seemed very overpowered when it first came out, especially with how good it's AA is. But again, everyone knows you just lob HE at it and it burns down quickly given it's smallish HP pool. Yes, the guns are accurate, but you spend most of the game managing your repair parties instead just trying to keep it from burning out by halfway through the game.
@@bmvhusky I can see your point and I very much agree you get wrecked by everything, but I don't know, she is just great IMO. You can get anywhere pretty quickly, so you can then wreck unsuspecting targets and thanks to your reload and accuracy you just don't care about rng. Even with her supposed low survivability I am very often surprised with how much potential dmg I have by the end. People just play Mecklenburg incorrectly from afar lobbing HE on BBs or/and just dying prematurely.
The database isn't updated yet, but so far it shows 120k average dmg with 5 battles in randoms which says nothing, but I've had about another 10 or more battles during the weekend with none managing less than that number and about 3 that crossed 200k which again says nothing, I am not a good player, I only have 54% winrate and I have been playing since beta, so yeah. I did use her in some of the previous ranked seasons, so my total battles could be around 50 or so. Still, from what I can muster about the ship, she is comfortable and very reliable.
The problem with colombo was it came out when the deadeye skill existed and it was balanced around that, when they removed deadeye they should have buffed its accuracy... would have put Meckleberg in D (stronger D but it's not a shiki or a slava and certainly not a Montana). Wouldn't have put Vermont in a - it doesn't worry me too much, yes the guns need respect but it burns down and eats torps so easily. I'd rank couq higher too - more fire damage overtime than thunderer - it will win in a 1 on 1 burnfest against one.
St Vincent is basically the Battleship Admiral Fischer would have built had he been alive another 15 years and escaped the washington naval treaty.
Shikishima is better than legendary mod Yamato. Dispersion is slightly better (232m vs 238m at 26.6km) with a 23.8 second reload vs 30 second reload on Yamato. Couple that with significantly better AA, to the point that it can actually blunt air strikes at times and Shikishima comes off the better ship, at least in my experience.
But it's 3 shells. Vs 2 shells
I‘d like to play St. Vincent if it wouldn‘t be so dam ugly
Don't agree onky on Grosser Kurfurst. It is my best performing BB in ranked.
You disagree with the Random Battle tier list because a ship in it performs well for you in Ranked?
Yes, that is my opinion. A ship that performs so well (at least for me) in ranked, cannot be just "trash" in randoms. It is perhaps not allowed to have a different opinion than yours?
Of course you are allowed to have a different opinion, the justification just made zero sense. Ranked and randoms are vastly different, especially for brawling ships like GK.
O.K. I get your point of view. Still "E" class for GK just because you don't like the ship it's unfair under my point of view. Ranked it's plenty of CVs an subs nowadays, so not that far away from randoms anymore, apart from less number of ships that can focus-fire on you at the same time. Accuracy of main guns has improved and I'm frequently getting citadels with its AP, even at long range! Anyway, as I said, this is just my opinion.
ST.VINCENT S?!?! i face this one and take down with any other BB
I cant disagree more with regards to Mecklenburg. Easily A or S tier for me.
Thunderer is too weak, has hardly any armor. Slava is A Tier, no C LOL
hmm. British ships on top Tier in Random ? Vincent is cool but not an S Tier for sure as it cannot carry a game like Ohio, Republique, Preussen or Thunderer. Bourgogne is an S Tier ship. imho
Bro Vincent can and does carry games it's just that the average potato player does nothing but stay at the border and spam HE like it's a conqueror..Vincent has the speed and conceal to shoot ,hide, reposition and outflank enemy ships
It’s hard to rank each ship because it depends what the match up is more often than not.
Also depends on how the engagement is taking place. Cover, distance/range and are they bow in or etc
notice all the original tier 10 bbs are relatively in the same tier except yammy, and all the new gimmick bbs from new splits along with premiums are all the ones in s a and b tier
Well save for the Vincent the bungo is as he said not great it's middle of the pack ..mand yeh schleiffen is schlieffen
Great list Flamu, glad to see Vermont is still doing well. Still grinding on Kansas, will get there someday.
Just use free xp to get the Vermont. Kansas and Minnesota are not fun at all to play. Their guns do not perform well enough to justify a long reload and being painfully slow
@@jsmith6145 minnesota can acceptable because of special american dispersion mod usage
@@sdmobiwan I think Iowa is just better. The 406s barely overmatch anything with either ship but it is much easier to get in a good position with Iowa.
HELL YEAH! ANOTHER TIERLIST VIDEO! This has been a long time coming!
y dont really like ST vincent wtf S tier?
wermont is beter for me
Montana is sounding like a lot more interesting ship with the upcoming commander changes. The heals are great for sustaining fires, and while they are nowhere near British levels, you get one more of them as well as AP that deals damage like nobody's business. So slap FP, ERE, Furious and Super-Heavy AP on it, let that single fire burn forever, and enjoy huge damage output on a BB that already has a great DPM and good alpha as is. Sure, you'll be spotted from the moon, but when wouldn't you be spotted anyway these days? Probably gonna be the second best ship to utilise the "let it burn" skills after St Vincent.
Gotta enjoy some old ships getting indirect buffs like this.
Thunderer has almost the same good heal. Lower cooldown. Much more reliable guns and capable of overmatching 30 mm.
@@Joakico Oh yeah Thunderer with Furious build might be pretty great as well.
British, the absolute undisputed best? Silly.
Ohio is easily A or S tier. Incomp maybe B.
Not putting Bourgogne into S is something else. And putting it even into B is straight up heresy!
Don't do Randoms because constant toxicity of players...they just can't shut their traps and play the game....but I get cits like crazy with Borg.
I really dont like the Tier list.
Ohio is A
GK is B
Bourgogne is S
Thunderer is E because boring
Kremlin A
Schlieffen S
And so on
Schliff is good, when brick does not delete half of its hp right from the nose, or 1 volley of conq HE ends its brawl potential before it starts brawling.
@@Korovkin_Pavel if u safe ur HP for late game schlieffen fucks every BB in CQC
Move Colombo into F tier. TIA ;)
Please make a playlist for all the tier 11 battleships
No, this St. Vincent is not one of the best BBs in the game right now. I put 3 citadels into a St. Vincent with a Stalingrad at 15km when he was slightly angled. It has no way to counter a sub that you knocked half these ships down a tier for because they can't fight against them.
Why are there so many OP British BBs? I don't play much but I hoped that all nations are similarly efficient, just different styles.
If I'm grinding the IJN line, I would hate to be burnt alive by British BBs simply because of lack of balance, and not difference in skill.
Schliffen should have 4x3 283mm (910 ms shells) guns with 2.0 sigma and current accurary. Not those 421mm guns
Vermont only has great concelment until you fire=free farm. Combine this with the awful speed means that if you don't have good trigger displine and just fire asap vermont will be painful.
A good list, I dont agree with Ohio being in B I know its sucky with the ASW Thunderer has the same shitty ASW but for me Ohio is Tier A all day with its great heal cooldown. Question I own virtually every ship in this game after 7 years of play but I havent seen anything about buy the R Lauria, how was it available and I cannot see it anywhere anymore?
so i wonder should i get incomparable now or Ruggiero di Lauria later when its out
Ruggiero di Lauria is strong as well but nothing more special than standard Italian BB gameplay except accurate 457mm guns with SAP. But it gets easily deleted on every range and guns are underwhelming for most of the time you’re shooting. Incomparable has a stupidly powerful concealment-speedboost-hydro-super heal-torpedo set of gimmicks and 508mm overmatch. Incomparable is basicly winning this duel.
@@sdmobiwan Lauria is actually quite tanky when angled. I wouldn't underestimate the survivability of this ship.
the ohio recieved better
This list has done a lot of damage in the game... the number of people who play these ships in the ranked is incredible. you have done a lot of damage in the ranked with these lists
Montana at C remains criminally underrated. Still my go to BB
@SpartiuS94 I guess I grade on a perspective of a high skill player so that helps it a lot in my view. The survivability and extremely reliable guns is hard to pass on
@SpartiuS94 I still take it over thunderer because it I'd SO much better against most cruisers and the survivability is night and day. As a solo Montana lets you make plays most BBs can't because they're either too soft or they have the Japanese armor hole
As a yammy main i was planning on saving up for slava once unlocking research b but should i just get leg mod instead? Currently use reload mod cuz i suck and need 1 more tech line.
Typical British bias lmao
Mecklenburger is a solid C because of the volume of shells it's throwing out. Just start shooting at the start and never stop, you're going to do well until a submarine shotguns you.
Monty is a B class ship for sure.
Whaaat montana in C🤣
Looking at this, I find it kinda funny that the nation that actually built one of these ships, only has 2 tier x, while others have 4.
I would like a list of the best ships to kill subs with. Take care and know that I enjoy your work.
St.Vincent is so broken I can't believe they didn't nerf it. She deserves at least 5 nerfs guns, citadel protection, consealment, HE and speed
Bro the one main nerf would be to nerf the speed or conceal those 2 things alone play such a vital role in keeping this ship busted if it didn't have the busted speed and conceal then it would be a fun to play and fun to fight against balanced ship and it would still be S tier then it would be great but for now it's ungodly
If you can't get around ships being in the same tier even tho one is far better then the other one, don't make a tierlist but a First place to last place. That might fit better
I remeber when I got Slava there was so much hate for this ship, my karma went from 20 to zero.
Nice tier list, but Im still gonna pick the Ohio as my first RB ship, they all say is one or the best battleship in the game.
I pretty much agree with the list as you made it but I do think Preussen got a bad deal. Yeah the gun accuracy can be poor but that reload with 30mm overmatch plus those secondary guns make it a bit of a monster when pushing. I would have put it in C a least but that's just me.
You could just put in one row for each ship? Or, just put every ship in one row, Flamu?