All of them are top 10-12 coaches in the league, I think it’s fair to have the tie breaker be playoff success. Stefanski is an excellent coach but so are the other 3 in the division
@@ultimatescouting or it could simply be by coach of the year winnings. Play off success then Pittsburgh should be last because even though they have won superbowls in the past when was the last time Tomlin had won a playoff game? Also, it can’t strickly be on playoff success. Players have to play and whoever usually has the best QB wins which is why Lamar keeps losing in big Games ….
I’m a biased as hell browns fan, through and through. I still thought this list was super fair, but I think you downplayed Jeremiah Owusu Koramoah for the Browns. JOK last year had a monstrous season. He was catching up to Garrett on sacks at the end too. Other than that? Solid fair ranking imo :)
2:50 No. As you said Chubb is coming back off a nasty injury. You have no idea if and when he's playing and, with the exception of Adrian Peterson, it usually takes a rb almost a full season to get back to form. 16:15 Myles is definitely not the best edge rusher in the NFL. It's not even close or debatable. TJ Watt and Micha Parsons has him beat by a mile. Myles won DPOY because of that otherworldly game he had against the Colts. That was a game of legend. But during the entire season he was good to very good. He went AWOL for almost half the season.
Myles had a higher double team rate than watt with his being about 10% higher. Micah always gets shut down playing Trent Williams and the 49ers while Garret has thrown Trent. I do agree though that myles didn’t do anything in the second half though. (Micahs double team rate is the highest in the NFL)
@@williejohnson5172 Completely forgot about this one till john replied, how do you feel now since Myles beats Tj by a mile according to nfl gms, owners, scouts, coordinators, and head coaches. I believe Myles was number 1 by about 70%
@@jaxson6796 So what. More cherry-picking anecdotal pom pomming. Myles got 1 sack in his last 6 games. Didn't get #1 in any of the statistical categories not even win rate. This was a bogus stat PFF came up with to justify him being DPOY and he couldn't even get #1 in that. That 70% means nothing. They probably took it at Browns stadium. Just more Brownie sheep fodder since y'all can't quote actual meaningful statistics. But that's OK. All those coaches did was assure that the Cowboys and Steelers (twice) will destroy the Browns. You sow the wind...
Ya this makes no sense at all. Even without him owning Taylor, hes literally won coty 2x in 4 years. Wtf is this guy smoking. He also has bengals safeties ahead of clevelands which is just insane. Flat out insane.
Steelers def have a better runningback room than the ravens and a better backer core than the bengals And having the bengals safeties over the steelers is wild
Better than Derrick Henry? Not sure id agree with you there. I think Queen benefited a lot from being next to Roquan in Baltimore and won’t be as dominant as a true LB1 but I can see the argument there. Safety is close too, Minkah is obviously great but I feel like the other spot is a big hole.I appreciate you giving your thoughts!
Browns interior is wayyy better than your giving it credit for. Dalvin is great. Z can line up over the middle so can myles. And hall is gonna be a beast.
Only thing I disagree with is the D line and linebacker. How you have the browns last in most of the defensive group categories when we are the Number one defense in the league statically? The Bengals and the Steelers wasn't even in the top 10
Browns are 1 in edge, 2 in IDL, 3 in LB (at least, JOK is an insane player), agree with 1 at CB, and at safety, Browns should be 2 (no mention of Ronnie Hickman or McLeod, both very solid safeties), Steelers 3, Bengals 4…I agree with all offensive rankings, and I would rank the coaching Ravens, Browns, Steelers, Bengals. I don’t agree with ranking coaching in terms of Super Bowls…also literally the reigning coach of the year for a reason
@@ultimatescouting He's right when he says "I thought you were making a video on positions?" If you're rating the pass-rushing of the _team,_ fine. *Make* that video, make it separately & boom, you have more content for the off & mid-season. But don't confuse yourself & your own listeners. It only upsets people. Austin Ekeler is a good receiving RB? He upgrades the receiving _room,_ not the WRs as A Position.
I do agree with MOST of your assessments however at Coaching you have to consider that Cleveland has made a bold jump. If you are grading the career coaching then I understand however this assessment seems to be for the current year. I dont always agree with Stephanski however he has changed this team in a big way and Swartz was defensive coach of the year as Steph was overall Coach of the year. Not sure how you can place them last with a fourth string QB and still ending better than 2 of the teams in the AFN North and also beat the Ravens in one of the head to head games. Rank them currently not career if the players are ranked in the same manner. My opinion it should have been Harbaugh/Stephanski/ Tomlin and then Taylor. Dont blame the fact you lost your QB, So did the Browns and the Steelers didnt even have one worth keeping this year.
Bengals Fan, I basically agree with everything, including your QB take because of Health, but I think our DB Room is Top Tier. They just need the experience. CB1 CTB CB2 DJ NB1 Hilton NB2 Dax FS Stone SS Bell/Battle I think we show that we’re the best in the division this year.
Yeah I could see that room taking a huge step, CTB looked very legit and they have great versatility on the back end now that they signed Stone and Bell. As long as they stay healthy I think the bengals secondary will be excellent! Thanks for watching!
The Ravens secondary is much better. Kyle Hamilton, Marlon Humphrey, Marcus Williams, Brandon Stephens, Nate Wiggins, TJ Tampa, Arthur Maulet + they are likely to sign another vet saftey (they brought in Jamal Adams for a visit recently)
Na cleveland has 3 CB1s. Their 2 young guys could also end up being cb1 caliber. They without a doubt have the best cbs in football. And its nkt really even close
Wrong answer. Joe Burrow had one good season. One. And yet, people always think he is a great quarterback. Now, he can't stay healthy. The Ravens, well last year they couldn't beat the Chiefs. Also, they have fewer weapons...
Who are you suggesting should be above Burrow? Because Watson hasn’t played well in like 4 years and Russ is also clearly on the decline. The chiefs have nothing to do with this video either…
@@ultimatescouting Russell Wilson, Mister! Everybody SAYS Russell Wilson is on the decline. Where is the evidence of such nonsense. Russ had one bad year. One.
I understand that superbowl appearances are driving your best coaches grade but i heartedly disagree with your take on Kevin Stefanski!! He's done more with struggling offenses than any coach in the division and has 2 coach of the year wins! He beats the Bengals nearly every time they meet and with lesser players! The bengals have beaten the Browns with Stefanski twice in 4 years and one of those was at the end of 23' when the Browns rested almost all there starters! Also Tomlins "winning record" is hardly a reason to put him anything but last in the last 4 seasons! I could put harbaugh first but then the browns should be a rousing 2nd in coaching! in 2023 they had the COY and the ACOY! gimme a break! All these coaches perform poorly in the playoffs with Cinncinati being a slight bit succesful but not in 23" tHE rAVENS WERE THE ONLY TEAM IN THE afc NORTH TO NOT LOSE THERE STARTING qb AND THE bROWNS PLAYED 5 AND WENT 3-3! WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN 4-2!
Are you on something? They have TJ Watt and alex highsmith on the edge how bias can you possibly be to try arguing the browns have better edge rushers.
You need to get _some_ better info in some places. The Bengals' o-line has ranked No Higher Than 28th since they got Burrow & one often-injured RT does not upgrade them over _either_ the Steelers or Ravens. Do you think the S & R are below 25th in the league at that?
Trent Brown is such a good tackle that teams had to move their pass rushers to the other side of the ball to get pressure on the QB. (Micah Parsons for instance) Mims and Brown means we finally have depth. Doesn't sound like a bottom tier O-line.
@@diamondrg3556 Not saying those guys aren't great. But a line is like a chain, as strong as its weakest link. It may matter for the individual player that they don't allow the defender through. But it matters to the QB only _that_ they get through. 28th or worse _with_ one of those two guys implies they won't go up to #1 with only One Other guy.
@@diamondrg3556 What is this, a prayer that they'll achieve a certain rating? Joe Burrow keeps getting injured due to the lack of protection. Does 29th best mean he's safe? If you wish I'll link the other vid where they discuss how yeah, they got their RT then proceeded to leave other talented o-line players on the board while they drafted Other Things. I don't _deal in_ expressing hopes for things. I used to coach & I used to have a job where I could fire kids as young as 12 years old doing flyer routes. If I had to hope for better every time an adult-level decision crossed my path I couldn't have survived. They need to Better Protect Joe Burrow not keep putting band-aids on amputations as if they were paper cuts.
@@BillGraper why don’t they have some depth? There is no guarantee of the availability of any particular player. When determining which team did best in any particular measure, we can only,look at results, not what might have been if.
Man u dropped the ball on those defense rankings. Cleveland was ranked the best front 7 in the league and u have most of that front 7 last lol. Drastically under ranking JOK, a guy that was also just ranked the 6st best off ball LB in the nfl after leading the league in tfl last yr. As for the DLs, u seem to think they wont rotate in the run stopping guys in run situations and pass rush guys when facing passing situations. No idea why u wouldnt realize this but u should.
@imcold615 it's week 2, all we have to go by is last season, being it's the most recent season available dummy. But if u wanna talk history, we can. Don't think ur gonna want to go that route tho.
I have one thing, you said Myles Garrett is the best edge rusher in the league. No I would copy down the stats on TJ vs Myles over this season and their entire careers but I’m tired it proving ppl wrong. It’s 100% TJ, he’s been robbed twice of DPOY even AD himself said TJ got robbed when AD won it. Ppl say he has injury issues when he’s had one season where he missed less than half of the games. Every other season he has only missed due to minor injuries or just played through them or being rested at the end of the season. If you look at the game log for stats in the season for each player Myles only produces real numbers and really contributes every other game or every other two games, or in random orders (aka very inconsistent). TJ on the other hand gets at least 1 sack nearly every single game he plays, and if he doesn’t he has a FF, an INT, a FR, or multiple TFLs. What sucks is that occasionally in the games Myles does show up it’s a really big game for him and it gets a ton of attention like his game against the Colts this year (the proceeds to disappear for two games). He gets attention for multiple weeks, and TJs consistency in producing numbers has become a given and is not given attention bc it’s expected of him. Myles is an amazing player and is 100% #2 but he did not deserve DPOY this year. They’re making it seem like the only way they’ll give it to TJ is if he breaks the sack record again. I just wanna get this off my chest but Micah Parsons isn’t even top 5 for me he needs to shut up, not including TJ in his top 5 made me so mad. Micah or more inconsistent than Myles it’s almost as if he isn’t on the Cowboys half the time. My top 5: Tj Myles Nick Bosa Maxx Crosby Danielle hunter/trey Hendrickson
@@seansimmons6932 I never said he was. I said edge rusher, that means d-ends and outside linebackers. And this guy would’ve included tj as the best OLB if he didn’t want to combine to two positions.
Nah dudes just glazing the bengals cause he’s a bengals fan, they actually have much worse safeties and IDLs than the Browns, the Steelers are arguably worse as well. Can’t get a truly valid perspective on AFC North football from an AFC North fan
@@seansimmons6932 The Steelers don't have any Complete Rooms or filled positions anywhere. LB? I can post the link to how poorly the team did when Watt was injured. So the Entire Defense is basically meh without him. & offense? I may be Fields' Last True Believer but this receiving room is better than what others teams'? The Chargers & Pats? That's about it. O-line players usually take a year to acclimate to the NFL so what exactly do the Steelers _have?_ Davante Adams isn't getting touches precisely because he's the only real target on his team & now so is Pickens. Khan wasted resources acquiring... Quez Watkins & Van Jefferson!!?! Then he had nothing left with which to acquire Stefon Diggs for cheap? We could have had Diggs instead of Watkins & Jefferson (no way did the Bills want to trade him to that strong a conference rival for that little). Cripes, a high-end talented diva WR who _didn't_ end up on the Steelers. Is this a sign of The Apocalypse?
@@seansimmons6932 That was one of the teams I most hoped would try to get Fields. Even if they had no Real Intention of making him the starter, anything that _looked like_ a serious attempt to replace Watson would be a great PR move. But also, I think he's actually élite. so imagine him with that roster? Look at his college tape next to Caleb's ua-cam.com/video/5JO1PsupF_U/v-deo.html. Not only does Fields come closer to breaking off huge gains in rushing, count the amount of times ball placement is off by inches or miles. Fields is off by inches all of twice, making the receiver get tackled immediately. Caleb has 10+ throws often off by miles often thrown with No Pressure being brought on him at all. So what happened to him between then &* now? Did he freeze & panic like Zach Wilson? Nope. So... what? I think that Poles & Eberflus like most new coaches & GMs made up their minds that they wanted Their Picks in all key positions No Mater What & that once you make up your mind about that, well you don't wait to see how things play out. Not if you're in control of the play-calling.
kudos...for the depth of knowledge on the division..and unbiased review......let the wars begin
I appreciate it! Haha I love the AFC north rivalries
Fair break down not alot of swings and misses.
I think ranking Chubb over every other RB coming off a multiple ligament tear is kinda crazy
But putting chubb below any of them do to an injury is crazy too
You forgot Kicker. I have them ranked like this:
Ravens
Browns
Steelers
Bengals
Not convinced that the Ravens have degraded that much from last season. We will find out.
Never let this man rank again
Ong
He's actually spot on.
what do u disagree with???
Wow! the bias against the browns in the closing discussion on coaches is the entire video summed up
All of them are top 10-12 coaches in the league, I think it’s fair to have the tie breaker be playoff success. Stefanski is an excellent coach but so are the other 3 in the division
@@ultimatescouting or it could simply be by coach of the year winnings. Play off success then Pittsburgh should be last because even though they have won superbowls in the past when was the last time Tomlin had won a playoff game? Also, it can’t strickly be on playoff success. Players have to play and whoever usually has the best QB wins which is why Lamar keeps losing in big Games ….
@@ultimatescoutingbengals fans do not like Zac Taylor. That should tell you all you need to know
@@aarond7158 I am a bengals fan and very much do like him. He’s not the most innovative play caller but completely changed the culture of the team
I’m a biased as hell browns fan, through and through. I still thought this list was super fair, but I think you downplayed Jeremiah Owusu Koramoah for the Browns. JOK last year had a monstrous season. He was catching up to Garrett on sacks at the end too. Other than that? Solid fair ranking imo :)
2:50 No. As you said Chubb is coming back off a nasty injury. You have no idea if and when he's playing and, with the exception of Adrian Peterson, it usually takes a rb almost a full season to get back to form.
16:15 Myles is definitely not the best edge rusher in the NFL. It's not even close or debatable. TJ Watt and Micha Parsons has him beat by a mile. Myles won DPOY because of that otherworldly game he had against the Colts. That was a game of legend. But during the entire season he was good to very good. He went AWOL for almost half the season.
You crazy ass hell if you think TJ is better than Myles or Micha by a mile GTFOH bruh
Myles had a higher double team rate than watt with his being about 10% higher. Micah always gets shut down playing Trent Williams and the 49ers while Garret has thrown Trent. I do agree though that myles didn’t do anything in the second half though. (Micahs double team rate is the highest in the NFL)
He was hurt the second half of the season tho
@@williejohnson5172 Completely forgot about this one till john replied, how do you feel now since Myles beats Tj by a mile according to nfl gms, owners, scouts, coordinators, and head coaches. I believe Myles was number 1 by about 70%
@@jaxson6796 So what. More cherry-picking anecdotal pom pomming. Myles got 1 sack in his last 6 games. Didn't get #1 in any of the statistical categories not even win rate. This was a bogus stat PFF came up with to justify him being DPOY and he couldn't even get #1 in that. That 70% means nothing. They probably took it at Browns stadium. Just more Brownie sheep fodder since y'all can't quote actual meaningful statistics. But that's OK. All those coaches did was assure that the Cowboys and Steelers (twice) will destroy the Browns. You sow the wind...
ZACH TAYLOR OVER STEFANSKI IS NUTS. especially when stefanski owns him historically.
Ya this makes no sense at all. Even without him owning Taylor, hes literally won coty 2x in 4 years. Wtf is this guy smoking. He also has bengals safeties ahead of clevelands which is just insane. Flat out insane.
Steelers def have a better runningback room than the ravens and a better backer core than the bengals
And having the bengals safeties over the steelers is wild
Better than Derrick Henry? Not sure id agree with you there. I think Queen benefited a lot from being next to Roquan in Baltimore and won’t be as dominant as a true LB1 but I can see the argument there. Safety is close too, Minkah is obviously great but I feel like the other spot is a big hole.I appreciate you giving your thoughts!
Are you serious. Pitt doesn't even have the second best rb room and probably not even the third.
Browns interior is wayyy better than your giving it credit for. Dalvin is great. Z can line up over the middle so can myles. And hall is gonna be a beast.
GREAT breakdown on divisions, loved it
I appreciate it! Thanks for watching!
Only thing I disagree with is the D line and linebacker. How you have the browns last in most of the defensive group categories when we are the Number one defense in the league statically? The Bengals and the Steelers wasn't even in the top 10
steelers were def top 10
@@cjy431steelers finished 21st last year lol.
2 time coach of the year in the last 4 years is the worst coach in the division? Come on man, I’d only put harbough ahead of stefanski at this point.
Browns are 1 in edge, 2 in IDL, 3 in LB (at least, JOK is an insane player), agree with 1 at CB, and at safety, Browns should be 2 (no mention of Ronnie Hickman or McLeod, both very solid safeties), Steelers 3, Bengals 4…I agree with all offensive rankings, and I would rank the coaching Ravens, Browns, Steelers, Bengals. I don’t agree with ranking coaching in terms of Super Bowls…also literally the reigning coach of the year for a reason
kid forgot tj watt exists
Bias, Arguing a team in the AFC north has a better edge than the team with TJ Watt and alex highsmith.
TJ WATT IS NOT AN EDGE RUSHER HE IS A LINEBACKER, HOW IS HE PART OF THE EDGE DISCUSSION???? Wtf
Bro Edge is DE/OLB he’s the guy the rushes the passer from the outside, he’s an Edge
@@ultimatescouting any position can rush the edge tho
@@ultimatescouting I thought you were making a video on positions
@@ultimatescouting He's right when he says "I thought you were making a video on positions?" If you're rating the pass-rushing of the _team,_ fine. *Make* that video, make it separately & boom, you have more content for the off & mid-season.
But don't confuse yourself & your own listeners. It only upsets people. Austin Ekeler is a good receiving RB? He upgrades the receiving _room,_ not the WRs as A Position.
Tj is def an edge rusher
Steelers hate is insane
He's being truthful.
@@BillGraper no
@@ORTHADOZ Only because you're a Steelers fan. I thought his rankings were pretty good.
@@BillGraper 2-0 btw hows your team doin this fine day
I do agree with MOST of your assessments however at Coaching you have to consider that Cleveland has made a bold jump. If you are grading the career coaching then I understand however this assessment seems to be for the current year. I dont always agree with Stephanski however he has changed this team in a big way and Swartz was defensive coach of the year as Steph was overall Coach of the year. Not sure how you can place them last with a fourth string QB and still ending better than 2 of the teams in the AFN North and also beat the Ravens in one of the head to head games. Rank them currently not career if the players are ranked in the same manner. My opinion it should have been Harbaugh/Stephanski/ Tomlin and then Taylor. Dont blame the fact you lost your QB, So did the Browns and the Steelers didnt even have one worth keeping this year.
Bengals Fan, I basically agree with everything, including your QB take because of Health, but I think our DB Room is Top Tier. They just need the experience.
CB1 CTB
CB2 DJ
NB1 Hilton
NB2 Dax
FS Stone
SS Bell/Battle
I think we show that we’re the best in the division this year.
Yeah I could see that room taking a huge step, CTB looked very legit and they have great versatility on the back end now that they signed Stone and Bell. As long as they stay healthy I think the bengals secondary will be excellent! Thanks for watching!
The Ravens secondary is much better. Kyle Hamilton, Marlon Humphrey, Marcus Williams, Brandon Stephens, Nate Wiggins, TJ Tampa, Arthur Maulet + they are likely to sign another vet saftey (they brought in Jamal Adams for a visit recently)
Ravens have best secondary in entire NFL.
Na cleveland has 3 CB1s. Their 2 young guys could also end up being cb1 caliber. They without a doubt have the best cbs in football. And its nkt really even close
0-2 btw lost to patriots first game btw good try though
Wrong answer. Joe Burrow had one good season. One. And yet, people always think he is a great quarterback. Now, he can't stay healthy. The Ravens, well last year they couldn't beat the Chiefs. Also, they have fewer weapons...
Who are you suggesting should be above Burrow? Because Watson hasn’t played well in like 4 years and Russ is also clearly on the decline. The chiefs have nothing to do with this video either…
@@ultimatescouting Russell Wilson, Mister! Everybody SAYS Russell Wilson is on the decline. Where is the evidence of such nonsense. Russ had one bad year. One.
russ > watson lol
I understand that superbowl appearances are driving your best coaches grade but i heartedly disagree with your take on Kevin Stefanski!! He's done more with struggling offenses than any coach in the division and has 2 coach of the year wins! He beats the Bengals nearly every time they meet and with lesser players! The bengals have beaten the Browns with Stefanski twice in 4 years and one of those was at the end of 23' when the Browns rested almost all there starters! Also Tomlins "winning record" is hardly a reason to put him anything but last in the last 4 seasons! I could put harbaugh first but then the browns should be a rousing 2nd in coaching! in 2023 they had the COY and the ACOY! gimme a break! All these coaches perform poorly in the playoffs with Cinncinati being a slight bit succesful but not in 23" tHE rAVENS WERE THE ONLY TEAM IN THE afc NORTH TO NOT LOSE THERE STARTING qb AND THE bROWNS PLAYED 5 AND WENT 3-3! WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN 4-2!
Bro put two time coty and reigning assistant coty last 🤡🤡
In what world are the Steelers edges stronger than the browns? 😂
watch the tapes kid
Are you on something? They have TJ Watt and alex highsmith on the edge how bias can you possibly be to try arguing the browns have better edge rushers.
Alotta good Olines in this division
You need to get _some_ better info in some places. The Bengals' o-line has ranked No Higher Than 28th since they got Burrow & one often-injured RT does not upgrade them over _either_ the Steelers or Ravens. Do you think the S & R are below 25th in the league at that?
Trent Brown is such a good tackle that teams had to move their pass rushers to the other side of the ball to get pressure on the QB. (Micah Parsons for instance) Mims and Brown means we finally have depth. Doesn't sound like a bottom tier O-line.
@@diamondrg3556 Not saying those guys aren't great. But a line is like a chain, as strong as its weakest link. It may matter for the individual player that they don't allow the defender through. But it matters to the QB only _that_ they get through. 28th or worse _with_ one of those two guys implies they won't go up to #1 with only One Other guy.
@@ChewsCarefully But they could get to 10? 16? 20?
We did not have Trent Brown or Mims last season. They cover our weakest point, RT.
@@diamondrg3556 What is this, a prayer that they'll achieve a certain rating? Joe Burrow keeps getting injured due to the lack of protection. Does 29th best mean he's safe? If you wish I'll link the other vid where they discuss how yeah, they got their RT then proceeded to leave other talented o-line players on the board while they drafted Other Things.
I don't _deal in_ expressing hopes for things. I used to coach & I used to have a job where I could fire kids as young as 12 years old doing flyer routes. If I had to hope for better every time an adult-level decision crossed my path I couldn't have survived. They need to Better Protect Joe Burrow not keep putting band-aids on amputations as if they were paper cuts.
Browns rushing game is better than ravens? Look at the stats last year without Derrick Henry. Ignorant analysis.
Browns were missing Chubb from week 2. No one is better than Chubb.
@@BillGraper why don’t they have some depth? There is no guarantee of the availability of any particular player. When determining which team did best in any particular measure, we can only,look at results, not what might have been if.
@@klardfarkus3891 We know that when Chubb is on the field, he's the best. He's going to be on the field at some point early in the season.
@@BillGraper of course team fans always like it guy best. Objective rankings havi Chubb fourth or fifth. Consensus gives first to Christian McCaffrey.
how many playoff games has lamar won?
how many injuries has burrow had
@@chasebell8164 how many injuries has lamar had
@@getbrainseeds Joe is injury prone 🤣😂🤣 hate it or love it
@@abdihassan328 lamar isnt injury prone? how many times has he been injured i forget???
@@getbrainseeds Joe Borre he is a 🌈🤣😂🤣
Man u dropped the ball on those defense rankings. Cleveland was ranked the best front 7 in the league and u have most of that front 7 last lol. Drastically under ranking JOK, a guy that was also just ranked the 6st best off ball LB in the nfl after leading the league in tfl last yr. As for the DLs, u seem to think they wont rotate in the run stopping guys in run situations and pass rush guys when facing passing situations. No idea why u wouldnt realize this but u should.
cope steelers defense>browns
@imcold615 bahahaha
Browns Defense finished 1st last year, steelers defense finished 19th. They aren't even close kiddo
@@kmtaran78 talking about this year buddy watch the tapes
Love how you cope with the previous years too, if we’re doing that then Steelers defense all time was 10x better than any generation of Browns defense
@imcold615 it's week 2, all we have to go by is last season, being it's the most recent season available dummy. But if u wanna talk history, we can. Don't think ur gonna want to go that route tho.
I have one thing, you said Myles Garrett is the best edge rusher in the league.
No
I would copy down the stats on TJ vs Myles over this season and their entire careers but I’m tired it proving ppl wrong.
It’s 100% TJ, he’s been robbed twice of DPOY even AD himself said TJ got robbed when AD won it. Ppl say he has injury issues when he’s had one season where he missed less than half of the games. Every other season he has only missed due to minor injuries or just played through them or being rested at the end of the season.
If you look at the game log for stats in the season for each player Myles only produces real numbers and really contributes every other game or every other two games, or in random orders (aka very inconsistent). TJ on the other hand gets at least 1 sack nearly every single game he plays, and if he doesn’t he has a FF, an INT, a FR, or multiple TFLs.
What sucks is that occasionally in the games Myles does show up it’s a really big game for him and it gets a ton of attention like his game against the Colts this year (the proceeds to disappear for two games). He gets attention for multiple weeks, and TJs consistency in producing numbers has become a given and is not given attention bc it’s expected of him.
Myles is an amazing player and is 100% #2 but he did not deserve DPOY this year. They’re making it seem like the only way they’ll give it to TJ is if he breaks the sack record again.
I just wanna get this off my chest but Micah Parsons isn’t even top 5 for me he needs to shut up, not including TJ in his top 5 made me so mad. Micah or more inconsistent than Myles it’s almost as if he isn’t on the Cowboys half the time.
My top 5:
Tj
Myles
Nick Bosa
Maxx Crosby
Danielle hunter/trey Hendrickson
Sorry to bust your bubble, but TJ Watt is a linebacker, not a Defensive End as many people like to say he is
@@seansimmons6932 I never said he was. I said edge rusher, that means d-ends and outside linebackers. And this guy would’ve included tj as the best OLB if he didn’t want to combine to two positions.
@@seansimmons6932 You got absolutely obliterated and are now on hushmode.
@cozm1q14 If you have to write a book to explain why TJ is better than you know he is not.😂
@@BrowniethaDawg nah I’m just mad it all summarizes to “look at the stats and watch some film”
Browns defense are so bad?
Nah dudes just glazing the bengals cause he’s a bengals fan, they actually have much worse safeties and IDLs than the Browns, the Steelers are arguably worse as well. Can’t get a truly valid perspective on AFC North football from an AFC North fan
@@seansimmons6932 The Steelers don't have any Complete Rooms or filled positions anywhere. LB? I can post the link to how poorly the team did when Watt was injured. So the Entire Defense is basically meh without him. & offense?
I may be Fields' Last True Believer but this receiving room is better than what others teams'? The Chargers & Pats? That's about it.
O-line players usually take a year to acclimate to the NFL so what exactly do the Steelers _have?_ Davante Adams isn't getting touches precisely because he's the only real target on his team & now so is Pickens. Khan wasted resources acquiring... Quez Watkins & Van Jefferson!!?! Then he had nothing left with which to acquire Stefon Diggs for cheap? We could have had Diggs instead of Watkins & Jefferson (no way did the Bills want to trade him to that strong a conference rival for that little).
Cripes, a high-end talented diva WR who _didn't_ end up on the Steelers. Is this a sign of The Apocalypse?
@@ChewsCarefully yeah I agree the Steelers are ass, glad I’m a Browns fan lmao
@@seansimmons6932 That was one of the teams I most hoped would try to get Fields. Even if they had no Real Intention of making him the starter, anything that _looked like_ a serious attempt to replace Watson would be a great PR move. But also, I think he's actually élite. so imagine him with that roster?
Look at his college tape next to Caleb's ua-cam.com/video/5JO1PsupF_U/v-deo.html. Not only does Fields come closer to breaking off huge gains in rushing, count the amount of times ball placement is off by inches or miles. Fields is off by inches all of twice, making the receiver get tackled immediately.
Caleb has 10+ throws often off by miles often thrown with No Pressure being brought on him at all. So what happened to him between then &* now? Did he freeze & panic like Zach Wilson? Nope. So... what? I think that Poles & Eberflus like most new coaches & GMs made up their minds that they wanted Their Picks in all key positions No Mater What & that once you make up your mind about that, well you don't wait to see how things play out.
Not if you're in control of the play-calling.
@@seansimmons6932 you're saying this after the cowboys put up 33 on your shitty team or after?