The distress I’m in right now because I cannot find an NHS dentist that will see me is actually making me want to become an NHS dentist. You know there’s a serious crisis when cavities on your front teeth and teeth grinding in your sleep until your enamel’s chipping off isn’t a dental emergency when there’s not an NHS dentist taking new patients for 40 miles.
Hi i wanted to ask if associate dentists get paid well and if it is hard to get the required amount of udc points. Is it only worth being a dentist if you open your own practice? 🙂 also would you say there is an oversaturation of dentists as many open their own practice.
Associate dentists do get paid well and you don't have to be an owner. If you decide to go into ownership, there is a large population who need dentistry so I wouldn't worry about competition.
With respect, you qualified in 2017? 1 year VT. 4 years experience? Its also worth noting that the General Dental Council (GDC) had permitted its members to use the title “Dr”, provided it is clear that it is a courtesy title only and it is not otherwise implied that they are qualified to carry out medical procedures.
Dentists were originally given the higher title of Mr (or Mrs/Miss) to differentiate that they are surgeons rather than Doctors. So dentists actually downgraded the title Mr for Dr because the general public seem to respect doctors over surgeons
I could never afford private treatment, so the quality becomes irrelevant! I am VERY lucky to have found a dentist who will take an NHS patient! Having had my 2 left third molars removed after months of intermittent but unbarable pain that was making living intolerable, those extractions are a huge relief and I have an appointment to get fillings done. The pain was so bad I considered just pulling them myself. I understand that NHS dentistry is underfunded, but to me the knowledge that such a service may not exist down the line makes me less concerned with trying to save damaged teeth and more likely to try and insist upon extraction to avoid any recurrence of toothache in future when I would possibly be forced to do the extractions myself!
As a fellow prestonian, you should be ashamed! You can do all that on the nhs! As long as your interests are fulfilled, never mind the 1000’s and 1000’s of kids and young adults growing up with bad teeth, plus the adults who are in agony, yet can’t afford to get there teeth sorted as they are struggling to put food on the table!
You can't do anything on the NHS, they pay the same for 10 fillings as for 1. Blame the government. We should at least be able to get a dental loan come off of benefits for emergencies
Because private dentists get more money yet when people work in the medical profession it's supposed to be because they care about their patients rich or poor but the reason you are all leaving is for the money all people will do is go abroad it's cheaper then here and there are better dentist abroad that charge a lot less then here my husband had a fantastic job done for 1000 euros and that was taking teeth out and putting in new teeth
@@jwillk42 please donot shame anyone without knowing the facts properly.The government has done nothing for us,They have even refused to conduct our exams ,making me and many others stranded over 3 years now.The amount of hard work,pain and tears also money I put into Dental school,was huge. You people Will abuse dentists for charging you.Half of our money we earn goes into tax,Dental materials and other things like insurance.It’s not the Dentists to blame,If NHS cared a little more into funding Dentist instead of GP’s ,so many dentists would still work there. Do remember we also need money to live by and do jobs to eat and live.
Hi! I wanted to ask If it's compulsory to start working as an associate dentist in the NHS prior to private practice? And If so, what's the minimum number of years of experiences needed before the transition into private dentistry? Thank you.
You can go straight into private dentistry from dental school. Whether a private practice will take you on straight from dental school is another thing.
Congratulations to you sir,sir i want to ask can Dental therapist study in Nigeria work in UK as a Dental therapist,if yes what are the steps required. Thanks
Hi, you would need to register with the General Dental Council and there is a process to follow. The link will give you more details on what to do. www.egdc-uk.org/Application/RouteToRegistration
Everyone chasing after money hence the shortage in NHS dentists, there’s no such thing as serving humanity for a greater cause anymore. I decided to pursue my career in dentistry so that I can work under the NHS, to me personally it doesn’t matter if I get paid for just 1 filling even if I’ve done 10, as long as I’m serving those who are in need and ultimately pleasing my creator by being selfless that’s all that matters to me. I’ve been in dentistry for over 7 years now, it’s actually really sad how money orientated everyone has become!
A higher income is 1 reason why a dentist may go private but not the only one. The great thing about the career is the flexibility to shape it however you want. It's awesome that you feel fulfilled committing yourself to NHS dentistry. I do believe it's important to have that diversity within the profession.
Anybody who studies for 5+ years, one of the most competitive and difficult degrees, and takes on enormous amounts of loans to do so deserves a fair return on that investment. If the NHS contract doesn't offer that then people have every right to pursue a career in private dentistry. NHS dentists offer a service but they certainly aren't a charity and shouldn't be judged for trying to earn enough to support themselves and their families by moving into private work
@@zer0projection who said the NHS is a charity. Obviously it's a service not a charity. An under funded service.that is sadly dying.there is no getting away from the fact that dentistry is money driven which with the underinvestment of the government is killing off NHS dentistry.
Oh it's fruitful otherwise he wouldn't be doing it. Period. Thanks for helping to kill off NHS dentistry and ripping off people with extortionate private fees. .
The nations dentristy is in crisis and this guy is here pontificating about the quality of his work. What a joke. The gov should legislate. No NHS patients. No licence.
Lol, ask how to come about the licence in first place. Getting licenced in the UK is no joke, if you think so, you can dedicated a decade of your life to it.
Do you even know how many years of toil it gets to become a Dentist?.Instead of blaming the dentist,why don’t you ask why Dentists have no good career prospects through NHS to support them .Why we don’t have more funding for NHS dentistry,Why so many Dentists,from overseas countries have not been given an opportunity to give there qualifying exams in last three years and are jobless at the moment .This could resolve the shortage we face.
fully agree the tax payers of this country put dentist through primary and senior schools subsidised their adult education and degree course ungrateful bar stewards and people are pulling out their own teeth. Hang your heads in shame
Dental plans where the patient pays monthly to a practice can be beneficial to both the patient and the practice. The patient will have the same dentist who will maintain their oral health and routine treatments will be covered under the plan.
So can I ask when you trained as a dentist was that funded by the NHS and tax payers money ? It’s a a shame that Tax payers money is used to put through people university and then once they graduate they go private . People should be proud to work for the NHS
Interesting perspective. There is no contract which requires you to work for the NHS after dental school. The majority of dentists are self employed and if they provide treatment under the NHS it is because they have chosen to. The environment and working conditions within NHS dentistry is limiting the quality of service dentists can provide. Forcing dentists to stay in the NHS won't benefit patients. After all the NHS only provides funding for half the population so if every dentist was providing NHS dentistry who would see the rest of the population? There is no such thing as an NHS dentist. You qualify as a dentist. You have dentists who choose to provide treatment under the NHS conditions or dentists who choose to provide treatment privately.
@@LancashireSmiles I heard lot of dentist are not taking on NHS patients because it comes down to how they are being paid . There are people taking out there own tooth because they can’t get an NHS dentist and can’t afford to pay private dental fees.
The money the government puts towards dental care under the NHS does not cover the whole population. So most times a dental practice gets to a point where they meet their NHS target. If that practice treats anymore patients under the NHS they don't get paid so practices would be treating people for free whilst having to deal with the costs of running a dental practice and paying staff.
@@LancashireSmiles yes but charging them tens of thousands of pounds also doesn't benefit them you clown!! Don't sit there and say this is about patients, this is about you getting rich, nothing more.
I would have no problem with this if your training when you were a student was funded privately. But likely it was funded by the taxpayer so you really 'owe' society. The government should mandate that those whose training was paid for by the taxpaer should serve a min of 30 years before any1's training was funded by the public to go private.
In this sense all university graduates in all field who got their degree fund public shd work in government for 30years, just to be fair and follow your line of reasoning
Id be inclined to agree if the government did actually fund our training. They do not. They offer loans that we will be paying back for the next 30+ years plus extortionate interest at levels well above inflation. We owe society nothing.
Its been decades since dentist's training was funded by the taxpayer. Boomers who got their university education for free hot handouts from the taxpayer. All degree students since the 90s (thanks Labour) have paid their own way and been left with extortionate levels of personal debt once they leave university.
The distress I’m in right now because I cannot find an NHS dentist that will see me is actually making me want to become an NHS dentist. You know there’s a serious crisis when cavities on your front teeth and teeth grinding in your sleep until your enamel’s chipping off isn’t a dental emergency when there’s not an NHS dentist taking new patients for 40 miles.
Hi i wanted to ask if associate dentists get paid well and if it is hard to get the required amount of udc points. Is it only worth being a dentist if you open your own practice? 🙂
also would you say there is an oversaturation of dentists as many open their own practice.
Associate dentists do get paid well and you don't have to be an owner. If you decide to go into ownership, there is a large population who need dentistry so I wouldn't worry about competition.
Bupa closing 85 practices this year
To make more money... To get rich quick 😜
With respect, you qualified in 2017? 1 year VT. 4 years experience? Its also worth noting that the General Dental Council (GDC) had permitted its members to use the title “Dr”, provided it is clear that it is a courtesy title only and it is not otherwise implied that they are qualified to carry out medical procedures.
Dentists were originally given the higher title of Mr (or Mrs/Miss) to differentiate that they are surgeons rather than Doctors. So dentists actually downgraded the title Mr for Dr because the general public seem to respect doctors over surgeons
Greed
I could never afford private treatment, so the quality becomes irrelevant! I am VERY lucky to have found a dentist who will take an NHS patient! Having had my 2 left third molars removed after months of intermittent but unbarable pain that was making living intolerable, those extractions are a huge relief and I have an appointment to get fillings done. The pain was so bad I considered just pulling them myself. I understand that NHS dentistry is underfunded, but to me the knowledge that such a service may not exist down the line makes me less concerned with trying to save damaged teeth and more likely to try and insist upon extraction to avoid any recurrence of toothache in future when I would possibly be forced to do the extractions myself!
Greed is important.
Nobody should be forced to work for free
For free. Dentists are already minted.
THEY DON'T WORK FOR FREE. THEY STILL GET PAID BUT THE PAYMENT IS EVEN MORE, WHEN THEY DO PRIVATE WORK.
As a fellow prestonian, you should be ashamed! You can do all that on the nhs! As long as your interests are fulfilled, never mind the 1000’s and 1000’s of kids and young adults growing up with bad teeth, plus the adults who are in agony, yet can’t afford to get there teeth sorted as they are struggling to put food on the table!
You can't do anything on the NHS, they pay the same for 10 fillings as for 1. Blame the government. We should at least be able to get a dental loan come off of benefits for emergencies
Amazing news! Congratulations on the change in career and even BIGGER congrats on the baby !
Thanks. She is quite energetic! Difficult keeping up with her especially after work.
Yes I bet the baby won't have any trouble accessing dental care.
Because private dentists get more money yet when people work in the medical profession it's supposed to be because they care about their patients rich or poor but the reason you are all leaving is for the money all people will do is go abroad it's cheaper then here and there are better dentist abroad that charge a lot less then here my husband had a fantastic job done for 1000 euros and that was taking teeth out and putting in new teeth
@@jwillk42 please donot shame anyone without knowing the facts properly.The government has done nothing for us,They have even refused to conduct our exams ,making me and many others stranded over 3 years now.The amount of hard work,pain and tears also money I put into Dental school,was huge. You people Will abuse dentists for charging you.Half of our money we earn goes into tax,Dental materials and other things like insurance.It’s not the Dentists to blame,If NHS cared a little more into funding Dentist instead of GP’s ,so many dentists would still work there. Do remember we also need money to live by and do jobs to eat and live.
@@jwillk42 sour grapes. I'm suffering from tooth ache. But I'm not deluded like you.
I suppose this should go for GP's, Doctors, Nurses Surgeons etc. To give people who can afford the private side of medical care.
Is there a Fixed salary in NHS
Hi! I wanted to ask If it's compulsory to start working as an associate dentist in the NHS prior to private practice? And If so, what's the minimum number of years of experiences needed before the transition into private dentistry? Thank you.
You can go straight into private dentistry from dental school. Whether a private practice will take you on straight from dental school is another thing.
Congratulations to you sir,sir i want to ask can Dental therapist study in Nigeria work in UK as a Dental therapist,if yes what are the steps required.
Thanks
Hi, you would need to register with the General Dental Council and there is a process to follow. The link will give you more details on what to do. www.egdc-uk.org/Application/RouteToRegistration
shame on you shame on you
Everyone chasing after money hence the shortage in NHS dentists, there’s no such thing as serving humanity for a greater cause anymore. I decided to pursue my career in dentistry so that I can work under the NHS, to me personally it doesn’t matter if I get paid for just 1 filling even if I’ve done 10, as long as I’m serving those who are in need and ultimately pleasing my creator by being selfless that’s all that matters to me. I’ve been in dentistry for over 7 years now, it’s actually really sad how money orientated everyone has become!
A higher income is 1 reason why a dentist may go private but not the only one. The great thing about the career is the flexibility to shape it however you want. It's awesome that you feel fulfilled committing yourself to NHS dentistry. I do believe it's important to have that diversity within the profession.
@With love Sabby. Well said.
Well said shabby, this dentist and others like him who went private are 100% chasing money
Anybody who studies for 5+ years, one of the most competitive and difficult degrees, and takes on enormous amounts of loans to do so deserves a fair return on that investment. If the NHS contract doesn't offer that then people have every right to pursue a career in private dentistry. NHS dentists offer a service but they certainly aren't a charity and shouldn't be judged for trying to earn enough to support themselves and their families by moving into private work
@@zer0projection who said the NHS is a charity. Obviously it's a service not a charity. An under funded service.that is sadly dying.there is no getting away from the fact that dentistry is money driven which with the underinvestment of the government is killing off NHS dentistry.
If I were you, i would not worry about reputation :D
Well done mate. Glad you feel ready to jump the chasm. May it be a fruitful decision for you, your family and indeed your lucky patients!
Thanks Martin. It is an exciting next step and I'm looking forward to the new experiences.
Oh it's fruitful otherwise he wouldn't be doing it. Period. Thanks for helping to kill off NHS dentistry and ripping off people with extortionate private fees. .
Best of luck with this new chapter !!
The nations dentristy is in crisis and this guy is here pontificating about the quality of his work. What a joke. The gov should legislate. No NHS patients. No licence.
Agreed, this guys a narcissist, obviously born with a silver spoon in his mouth, shameful.
Lol, ask how to come about the licence in first place. Getting licenced in the UK is no joke, if you think so, you can dedicated a decade of your life to it.
Do you even know how many years of toil it gets to become a Dentist?.Instead of blaming the dentist,why don’t you ask why Dentists have no good career prospects through NHS to support them .Why we don’t have more funding for NHS dentistry,Why so many Dentists,from overseas countries have not been given an opportunity to give there qualifying exams in last three years and are jobless at the moment .This could resolve the shortage we face.
@@jwillk42 lol you need to read my friend ,before commenting.
fully agree the tax payers of this country put dentist through primary and senior schools subsidised their adult education and degree course ungrateful bar stewards and people are pulling out their own teeth. Hang your heads in shame
More grease and congratulations for the bold step
Hi, do you think dental insurance is worth it for people that are unable to have an NHS dentist, but go private. What's your thoughts on this ?
Dental plans where the patient pays monthly to a practice can be beneficial to both the patient and the practice. The patient will have the same dentist who will maintain their oral health and routine treatments will be covered under the plan.
@@LancashireSmiles when people are struggling you should hang your heads in shame may God forgive you money grabbing people
@@LancashireSmiles what he's not telling you is he will charge thousands and thousands of pounds and laugh all the way to the bank.
@@philholland8288 are you a dental professional?
@@zer0projection a patient knows about dentists.
So can I ask when you trained as a dentist was that funded by the NHS and tax payers money ? It’s a a shame that Tax payers money is used to put through people university and then once they graduate they go private . People should be proud to work for the NHS
Interesting perspective.
There is no contract which requires you to work for the NHS after dental school. The majority of dentists are self employed and if they provide treatment under the NHS it is because they have chosen to. The environment and working conditions within NHS dentistry is limiting the quality of service dentists can provide. Forcing dentists to stay in the NHS won't benefit patients. After all the NHS only provides funding for half the population so if every dentist was providing NHS dentistry who would see the rest of the population?
There is no such thing as an NHS dentist. You qualify as a dentist. You have dentists who choose to provide treatment under the NHS conditions or dentists who choose to provide treatment privately.
@@LancashireSmiles I heard lot of dentist are not taking on NHS patients because it comes down to how they are being paid . There are people taking out there own tooth because they can’t get an NHS dentist and can’t afford to pay private dental fees.
The money the government puts towards dental care under the NHS does not cover the whole population. So most times a dental practice gets to a point where they meet their NHS target. If that practice treats anymore patients under the NHS they don't get paid so practices would be treating people for free whilst having to deal with the costs of running a dental practice and paying staff.
@@LancashireSmiles yes but charging them tens of thousands of pounds also doesn't benefit them you clown!! Don't sit there and say this is about patients, this is about you getting rich, nothing more.
@@LancashireSmiles there is obviously something wrong with that.
I would have no problem with this if your training when you were a student was funded privately. But likely it was funded by the taxpayer so you really 'owe' society.
The government should mandate that those whose training was paid for by the taxpaer should serve a min of 30 years before any1's training was funded by the public to go private.
In this sense all university graduates in all field who got their degree fund public shd work in government for 30years, just to be fair and follow your line of reasoning
Id be inclined to agree if the government did actually fund our training. They do not. They offer loans that we will be paying back for the next 30+ years plus extortionate interest at levels well above inflation. We owe society nothing.
Its been decades since dentist's training was funded by the taxpayer. Boomers who got their university education for free hot handouts from the taxpayer. All degree students since the 90s (thanks Labour) have paid their own way and been left with extortionate levels of personal debt once they leave university.