@scrusociety the video you are talking about is Dragon Ball Super Rap Cypher "Tournament of Power" / Daddyphatsnaps ft Rustage Fabvl at the 7 minute mark in the video. You called it
The only person that has an excuse from U6 is Kale because as the Legendary Super Saiyan the transformation should come easy. Z Broly mastered it as a kid
21:21 But when u really think about Destructo Disc stopped being valid since Perfect Cell. So from that point on the Destructo Disc stopped being useful then. On the plus side, the Destructo Disc can cut through the strongest matter they have which the Z Sword failed to do in the Buu Saga
@potatosalad3655 Cell ate that shit straight to the back of the neck when Krillin used it on him after absorbing 18, thing literally just shattered on him like glass, later when Cell used it, Gohan caught it and then proceeded to crush it So yeah it stopped working way back then
@@amarijackson1200 bro we don't even know how Kid Trunks got Super Saiyan, he just casually transformed while training with Vegeta and then he tells Vegeta that Goten can do it too, and speaking of Goten, he unlocked Super Saiyan during a sparring session with Chichi
They stop using kaioken because they have SSJ and if they tried to mix it they would die you have to claim to use kaioken and SSJ is a rage form so it would kill him he explained SSB is KI control so he can use Kaioken with it and that’s why goku stop using kaioken until this
Sure it would be hard but the real reason is they forgot but it would've been the same thing as when he used super kaioken it just would've ruined powerscaling
It also doesn’t make sense because if you can’t mix SSJ and Kaioken together, then you shouldn’t be able to mix SSB and Kaioken either because SSB is literally SSJ + God Ki or more specifically SSJ + SSG.
He never combines kaioken with super saiyan because super saiyan makes him emotionally unstable, but blue is the opposite it requires him to be in complete control.
When they found out Frost was cheating they gave piccolo the win but Vegeta ask piccolo to give up his win so Vegeta could fight him ( that 💩 pissed me off )
Okay okay, the ki blast spam dosnt ALWAYS fail. It's at least at a 2 wins out of 90 loses. It offed future goahan and piccolo was smart in using it against 17.
@the7edge7 yeah I know, someone asked me to try finding 3 times that ki spamming worked and I have a hard time finding a third. 1st is future gohan. Second is 17 and 18 against that universe 6 tobot
Dragonball Super and the manga in particular has corrected a lot of the transformation stuff. Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan. They've all got unique transformations that are suited to them and their personality/backstory
Cabba going Ssj was pretty in line with how other characters got it, he was angry and being pushed to his breaking point when he needed to protect others (he didn't know vegeta was bluffing). The awful transformation you mean is later with caulifla because as he's mentioning going ssj he mentions the back tingle (he probably didn't even know what exactly he was talking about he was just describing how he felt) then she goes along and gets a bullshit freebie transformation. When trying to get kale to go ssj he still does mention the anger trigger
One thing I think about with Caulifla, Cabba & Kale’s transformations is we don’t really know what they went threw. They just kinda showed up got a general backstory on the differences between u6 & u7 saiyans. Only thing I can think that made it easy for her is the lil bit of character they did show of her. She was a gang leader and rowdy, idk what “level” or what kinda training they had but idk if Goten and Trunks can use SSJ as a play thing I ain’t gonna trip bout the tingly backs…just need them more fleshed out cause the anime didn’t let it cook enough
And I meant to add her being the way she is made it easier for her to tap into that anger. Cabba was timid and respectful but he’s noble so his people being threatened set him off. Kale is shy and a glazer so her getting in her feelings set her off…now why she ended up being female Broly I can only explain with toys/games lol I like her controlled form though.
@@Echo-nn8dtKale was relatively acceptable, Cabba was too, but Caulifla was easily one of the stupidest transformation sequences possible. It doesn’t matter what these Saiyans have gone through, as they’re clearly shown to have been content enough with how things went down(assuming there is some form of Trauma or tragic past to boot) to leave them at base form and never go up from there. The back tingle is absolutely B.S, as it took whether the emotional trauma in the moment, or having built up over a long, long period of time to transform and trigger things. Even Goten and Trunks make more sense than the U6 Saiyans, as they’re born with the cells of Saiyans that might as well have SSJ as their base forms. It took them muuuch less stress to trigger anything, with Goten’s trigger being his Mom suddenly whooping his ass.
They are literally in a tournament for their universe. That plus Vegeta giving cabba the work and saying he's gonna go blow up his planet and not to mention cabba was already strong and been through the military. That's what helped him turn.
How do people always forget about when goku used his feet against piccolos dad to launch him self with the super dragon fist or the punch when you seen the mighty ozaru through his chest?
Goku also bended the kamehameha. I feel all the practitioners have a different style or proficiency with it. Gohan with the one hand both future and current. In Buu saga his was yellow as well. They called it gohans electric kamehameha. Goten with the mispronunciation of the technique yet still gets it to work. Roshi with the full power kamehameha when he gets buff. Goku innovated it and made it so viable that he can simply use it in every scenario.
Cabba actually unlocked it through a need and rage unlike Caulifla who looked at a transformation that called for a greater need and treated it like a toy. She is who you should be mad at, atleast Kale and Cabba are cool but Caulifla sucks
Goku might have upgraded the Kamehameha to the next lvl but there was something spectacular about Roshi's final Kamehameha. Gokus looks like violent waves with how much raw power he is able to put into it. While Roshi had a almost perfect beam showing his ki control mastery. For being just a human it still was one of my most favorites for the nostalgia. A minor detail but its still cool to see their differences.
You missed the part Scru that Kaioken multiplies your current strength depending on the kaioken your using. And since Goku is using his God form, it's multiplying that. That's a lot for his body to handle, plus he was trying to fuse the 2 power ups completely
Gohan transformed without anyone dying and so did vegeta. Gohan transformed from imagining cell dupping everyone and vegeta just got mad that goku was ahead of him
This is the last time Hit was relevant because, they introduced Jiren and Hit went to the back of the line. Universe 11 exposed the weakness in Hit’s time skip
4:46 Yeah…unless he can pull a BLACK out his bum…DEAD 14:31 Trunks had a VERY good reason! He just walked through the ruined City, saw Gohan DEAD then in his state of (loss for words) yelled out in a super Sayan rage
14:22 Scru I agree with you 100% but we all gotta remember Cabba from "Universe 6" is not from Goku and Vegeta Came From And in his defense we don't know his backstory all too well shit maybe he did train alot,maybe he did go through some hardships we just don't know that yet bc he's just a side character in the cast 😂😂😂😂
I always thought Goku couldn't to Kaio-ken(?) while in normal SSJ because it was the same energy (like how he couldn't be SSj1 and SSj2 at the same time). But with the god ki, he could use that and his mortal energy at the same time, which is probably why it messed him all up.
They are DIFFERENT sayains from a DIFFERENT universe. How they get super sayain is gonna be DIFFERENT. It's not gonna be the same as goku or vegeta. 2 to totally different universes in that aspect
13:16 nah what you're talking about is when Goku taught the female Saiyan's how to turn into a super Saiyan and I feel you man I hate the way they learned lol
the reason why goku stopped using the kaioken was cuz super saiyan was just better in every way without the strain on ur stamina that the kaioken gives u. Super Saiyan was all buff and no drawback... however, as to why King Kai didnt teach the humans that shit is beyond me
Caulifia going Super Saiyan was the 1st time that it kinda became BS. They was talking about feeling a tingling sensation in your back. Cabba was ok bcuz u have no clue to how strong he was beforehand and he actually got it by fighting unlike Caulifia.
It's because of the tournament of power kale and kefla being able to transform easily with a tingle in their back. The logic is that trunks and goten the mutations gained from being half or less saiyans allows easy transforming reasons why Gohan could transform easier. The good saiyan of sadalah have more s cells I bet and good hearted saiyans are know for getting the transformation faster also.
I think if I remember correctly, it’s because that Caio Ken is a multiplier of whatever your base power is so the creator, Tama said that if Goku use Kokan and super Saiyan together, it would it will kill Goku because of the sheer strain it does to his body since it is a technique made from the gods and gods don’t have that same limitation don’t forget king Kai is a God
@scrusociety the video you are talking about is Dragon Ball Super Rap Cypher "Tournament of Power" / Daddyphatsnaps ft Rustage Fabvl at the 7 minute mark in the video. You called it
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@@chasethemaster3440nobody cares lil bro
Scru mad about the Super Saiyan back tingling. I know EXACTLY what moment he’s talking about!
Grinding keflas beam is still one of the coldest moments in anything!
My friends and I were jumping around like idiots when that came out live. So much hype.
Goku was the first one to not only make a Super Kamehameha but he also did it with his feet💯🔥🔥
The moment ur thinking about is when Caulifla went SSJ and that whole back tingle crap
Yep
The only person that has an excuse from U6 is Kale because as the Legendary Super Saiyan the transformation should come easy. Z Broly mastered it as a kid
True it does make an interesting lore that U6 also has a legendary super saiyan given U6 and U7 are twin universes
22:45 don't forget about that time in the tournament of power when he made mini Kamehameha grenades and planted them around the arena.
i think those were just ki mines
@SonGoku-777 could be. Either way, his ki control and creativity are in a different league.
How about when he would shoot it out of his feet?
I noticed a pattern in anime, where a student always upgrade his master's techniques in some way.
Super Saiyan died the moment they explained it as "a tingly feeling in your spine" or some shit like that. I will never forget how pissed I was.
21:21 But when u really think about Destructo Disc stopped being valid since Perfect Cell. So from that point on the Destructo Disc stopped being useful then. On the plus side, the Destructo Disc can cut through the strongest matter they have which the Z Sword failed to do in the Buu Saga
Uh, that keinzan on cell was anime only. It didn't happen in the manga, so not canon. He DID cut off cell Max's wing in the manga.
No character in the cannon has ever tanked it head on
They either deflect it dodge it
Or it hits at an angle and bounces off like cell max
@potatosalad3655 Cell ate that shit straight to the back of the neck when Krillin used it on him after absorbing 18, thing literally just shattered on him like glass, later when Cell used it, Gohan caught it and then proceeded to crush it
So yeah it stopped working way back then
@@Kokomi552 it's a filler scene in the anime
I'm talking about the manga
@@potatosalad3655 "filler scene"
Seriously???
I would say SSJ transformation died when kid Trunks and Goten unlocked it pretty easily in the Buu saga
Nah it died when caulifla unlocked it from a tingle in the back 😂
i was about to say this, it was kid goten and kid trunks that made super saiyan look easy to get and super made it worse
@@joshuarobinson6011I understand how they unlocked it easy tho that’s reasonable but super made it worse like you said
@@amarijackson1200 bro we don't even know how Kid Trunks got Super Saiyan, he just casually transformed while training with Vegeta and then he tells Vegeta that Goten can do it too, and speaking of Goten, he unlocked Super Saiyan during a sparring session with Chichi
They stop using kaioken because they have SSJ and if they tried to mix it they would die you have to claim to use kaioken and SSJ is a rage form so it would kill him he explained SSB is KI control so he can use Kaioken with it and that’s why goku stop using kaioken until this
It's an excuse
Sure it would be hard but the real reason is they forgot but it would've been the same thing as when he used super kaioken it just would've ruined powerscaling
It also doesn’t make sense because if you can’t mix SSJ and Kaioken together, then you shouldn’t be able to mix SSB and Kaioken either because SSB is literally SSJ + God Ki or more specifically SSJ + SSG.
@@a180combatbowsergamepro6 It literally would kill him he can’t handle ssj in kaioken there too different to mix
@@d-space1935 ssb is all about KI control and it’s a calm form that why he can use it
He never combines kaioken with super saiyan because super saiyan makes him emotionally unstable, but blue is the opposite it requires him to be in complete control.
Don't forget goku used the Kamehameha out his feet when him and piccolo fought raditz
also vs. piccolo in the 23 world tournament
Love how vegeta went straight to business 😂😂
We love your hard work and dedication scru. You are appreciated bro bro 🖤
Solar Flare still gets used.Krillin used it on Goku before the tournament of power if I remember right.
When they found out Frost was cheating they gave piccolo the win but Vegeta ask piccolo to give up his win so Vegeta could fight him ( that 💩 pissed me off )
Okay okay, the ki blast spam dosnt ALWAYS fail. It's at least at a 2 wins out of 90 loses.
It offed future goahan and piccolo was smart in using it against 17.
the piccolo one is its own technique. It's called Hellzone Grendade.
@the7edge7 yeah I know, someone asked me to try finding 3 times that ki spamming worked and I have a hard time finding a third. 1st is future gohan. Second is 17 and 18 against that universe 6 tobot
Dragonball Super and the manga in particular has corrected a lot of the transformation stuff. Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan. They've all got unique transformations that are suited to them and their personality/backstory
Cabba going Ssj was pretty in line with how other characters got it, he was angry and being pushed to his breaking point when he needed to protect others (he didn't know vegeta was bluffing). The awful transformation you mean is later with caulifla because as he's mentioning going ssj he mentions the back tingle (he probably didn't even know what exactly he was talking about he was just describing how he felt) then she goes along and gets a bullshit freebie transformation. When trying to get kale to go ssj he still does mention the anger trigger
One thing I think about with Caulifla, Cabba & Kale’s transformations is we don’t really know what they went threw. They just kinda showed up got a general backstory on the differences between u6 & u7 saiyans.
Only thing I can think that made it easy for her is the lil bit of character they did show of her. She was a gang leader and rowdy, idk what “level” or what kinda training they had but idk if Goten and Trunks can use SSJ as a play thing I ain’t gonna trip bout the tingly backs…just need them more fleshed out cause the anime didn’t let it cook enough
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And I meant to add her being the way she is made it easier for her to tap into that anger.
Cabba was timid and respectful but he’s noble so his people being threatened set him off.
Kale is shy and a glazer so her getting in her feelings set her off…now why she ended up being female Broly I can only explain with toys/games lol I like her controlled form though.
@@Echo-nn8dtKale was relatively acceptable, Cabba was too, but Caulifla was easily one of the stupidest transformation sequences possible. It doesn’t matter what these Saiyans have gone through, as they’re clearly shown to have been content enough with how things went down(assuming there is some form of Trauma or tragic past to boot) to leave them at base form and never go up from there. The back tingle is absolutely B.S, as it took whether the emotional trauma in the moment, or having built up over a long, long period of time to transform and trigger things. Even Goten and Trunks make more sense than the U6 Saiyans, as they’re born with the cells of Saiyans that might as well have SSJ as their base forms. It took them muuuch less stress to trigger anything, with Goten’s trigger being his Mom suddenly whooping his ass.
Different scene with the back tingle..thats the tournament of power season
“You made it a hot line, he made it a hot song!” 😂
They are literally in a tournament for their universe. That plus Vegeta giving cabba the work and saying he's gonna go blow up his planet and not to mention cabba was already strong and been through the military. That's what helped him turn.
Actually this was just a tournament for the super dragon balls, not the universe
They also stopped using Dragon Fist
I like how they brought back Goku learning other peoples moves and learning how to whoop Hits ass
About your question bout piccolo Vegeta straight up said sit down.
Krillin also came up with the scatter kamahameha. One of the cooler versions imo. It’s cool watching break it apart to rain dmg down on people.
How universe 6 explained going Super Saiyan and reducing it to a “Tingling Feeling in your back”. Reduced it to a bargain sale.
22:57 don’t forget kamehameha through his feet.
NO ROSHI SLANDER
How do people always forget about when goku used his feet against piccolos dad to launch him self with the super dragon fist or the punch when you seen the mighty ozaru through his chest?
I think your forgetting Trucks and Goten just having SSJ. No work or anything and Vegeta was pissed
13:14 the time when ssj died is when goten & trunks went ssj easily 😂
Ive been saying this for years that Goku is a freaking genius when it come to battle/combat. How he got whooped by superman 3 times is beyond me.
I had to stop with you.. !!!! The ""Switch Foot Technique"" LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
priciate your uploads man
Bro they brought back both of those moves in ToP
Goku and Naruto got that one move maxed out so they can do whatever they want with it
Goku also bended the kamehameha. I feel all the practitioners have a different style or proficiency with it. Gohan with the one hand both future and current. In Buu saga his was yellow as well. They called it gohans electric kamehameha. Goten with the mispronunciation of the technique yet still gets it to work. Roshi with the full power kamehameha when he gets buff. Goku innovated it and made it so viable that he can simply use it in every scenario.
Scrus face at 24:23 😂
That shit killed me 😂
Cabba actually unlocked it through a need and rage unlike Caulifla who looked at a transformation that called for a greater need and treated it like a toy. She is who you should be mad at, atleast Kale and Cabba are cool but Caulifla sucks
Kale is their Broly so ofc shew would have had it
They did bring back solar flare, krillin brought it back and made it 100x stronger, it can now mess with someone’s senses if I remember correctly
Piccolo orange was sick and under rated
I like this guy..................
Naw bruh, when Goten and kid Trunks pull out the SSJ it starts to look like a joke.
Vegeta even said that when he saw it
gohan and goku worked their ass off for ss2
Goku might have upgraded the Kamehameha to the next lvl but there was something spectacular about Roshi's final Kamehameha. Gokus looks like violent waves with how much raw power he is able to put into it.
While Roshi had a almost perfect beam showing his ki control mastery. For being just a human it still was one of my most favorites for the nostalgia. A minor detail but its still cool to see their differences.
That back tingling in DBS was some real DBS (dumb bs). Keep in mind, Toriyama couldn't remember half of the stuff he did in DB and DBZ prior to DBS.
You missed the part Scru that Kaioken multiplies your current strength depending on the kaioken your using. And since Goku is using his God form, it's multiplying that. That's a lot for his body to handle, plus he was trying to fuse the 2 power ups completely
ki blast spam worked against zamasu
Both distructo disc and solar flare came back in the Tournament of Power and the new super hero movie
We all know Vegeta got a bad shoulder and Goku got a bad heart lmfao 😂
Goku also used the kamehameha with his feet. he used it get out the way. And he used 2 in the water as a distraction he’s mastered the wave
I really enjoyed that!!! 😂
I’m starting to get into dragon ball because of these videos thanks scru 🐐
Ki spam only worked once,
Ask Gohan....................
22:46 goku got handles with the kamehameha lol
Gohan transformed without anyone dying and so did vegeta. Gohan transformed from imagining cell dupping everyone and vegeta just got mad that goku was ahead of him
YOOOOOO ERB JUST DROPPED
7:00 i remember u sayin sum like dat frl
I mean SSJ died at goken and kid trucks, just being soooo goood and coooolll that they got it at like 7 oml
I think there was some point where king kai told him not to use kaioken with super seiyan cause it was too much for him to handle
This is the last time Hit was relevant because, they introduced Jiren and Hit went to the back of the line. Universe 11 exposed the weakness in Hit’s time skip
You could probably cheese with solar flare and a throwing knife or something since weapons don’t have a ki signature. Maybe
4:46 Yeah…unless he can pull a BLACK out his bum…DEAD
14:31 Trunks had a VERY good reason! He just walked through the ruined City, saw Gohan DEAD then in his state of (loss for words) yelled out in a super Sayan rage
don’t forget goku did a kamehameha WITH HIS FEET in the original dragon ball
lmfaooo hit fucking got roasted
14:22 Scru I agree with you 100% but we all gotta remember Cabba from "Universe 6" is not from Goku and Vegeta Came From And in his defense we don't know his backstory all too well shit maybe he did train alot,maybe he did go through some hardships we just don't know that yet bc he's just a side character in the cast 😂😂😂😂
He’s also made the kanehameha bend
Fire vid limitless II is here plz do a reaction your my GOAT!!!!!!!!!!!
Is nobody gonna talk about how goku's entire move-set isn't his own move
I always thought Goku couldn't to Kaio-ken(?) while in normal SSJ because it was the same energy (like how he couldn't be SSj1 and SSj2 at the same time). But with the god ki, he could use that and his mortal energy at the same time, which is probably why it messed him all up.
Honestly Cabba's super saiyan wasnt NEARLY as bad as Goten and modern Trunks. Obv don't get me started about caulifla... 💀
18:53 Well, actually. It turns out Hit can't actually do that. He needs to fight to improve.
new glorb song
They are DIFFERENT sayains from a DIFFERENT universe. How they get super sayain is gonna be DIFFERENT. It's not gonna be the same as goku or vegeta. 2 to totally different universes in that aspect
Doesnt mean its not ass lol.
I was there watching the reaction screw gave the idea
8:40 vegeta made piccolo forfeit the match bc he wanted to box frost him self
are you forgetting about how easily goten and trunks turned super saiyen just out of nowhere and that wasnt even in super that was in Z lmaoo!
ROCHI threw hands well at least dodged Jiren. Rochi is an OG
Hit doesn't freeze time he can travel through it at 10 seconds at a time.
They did bring back destructo disc and solar flare in the tournament of power if that counts for anything lol
This is facts.
13:16 nah what you're talking about is when Goku taught the female Saiyan's how to turn into a super Saiyan and I feel you man I hate the way they learned lol
No. Cabba taught them super saiyan. It was when you first meet them on Sadala.
It was one of the abridged videos
the reason why goku stopped using the kaioken was cuz super saiyan was just better in every way without the strain on ur stamina that the kaioken gives u. Super Saiyan was all buff and no drawback... however, as to why King Kai didnt teach the humans that shit is beyond me
8:38 Vegeta told him to forfit his turn and tag out if i remember correctly
4:56 that's that dokkan
21:28 and NUMBER 4. the dragon fist
I loved the universe 6 fighters
Caulifia going Super Saiyan was the 1st time that it kinda became BS. They was talking about feeling a tingling sensation in your back. Cabba was ok bcuz u have no clue to how strong he was beforehand and he actually got it by fighting unlike Caulifia.
It's because of the tournament of power kale and kefla being able to transform easily with a tingle in their back. The logic is that trunks and goten the mutations gained from being half or less saiyans allows easy transforming reasons why Gohan could transform easier. The good saiyan of sadalah have more s cells I bet and good hearted saiyans are know for getting the transformation faster also.
Bro said a Temu Freezer 😭💔😂😂
Kale and Califlower destroyed super Saiyan lore
I think if I remember correctly, it’s because that Caio Ken is a multiplier of whatever your base power is so the creator, Tama said that if Goku use Kokan and super Saiyan together, it would it will kill Goku because of the sheer strain it does to his body since it is a technique made from the gods and gods don’t have that same limitation don’t forget king Kai is a God
They stop using the disc when Cell ate it in the neck. the Writers wanted everyone to know that disc wasn't a damn thing against him.
anime only
Ur talking about when caulifla just went SSJ then SSJ2
I'm fucking crying you put GOW Ragnarok on for monaka
You forgot Goku can do the kamehameha with his feet too
Ssj2 Teen Gohan was the 1st to stop destructor disk