The actress who played Beyhan had done a tremendous job here...initially a shock..just cant believe and then bursting out crying..then leaving the palace...she nailed it.
I'm gonna tell you I find this series as good as anything produced in Hollywood. All of the actors in this show, except for the children of course, are EXCEPTIONAL in their rolls. This guy that plays the Sultan Suleiman fits this part so well and acts it out with amazing skill! The scenes where his son was going through the stretching of his bones?? The anguish on his face hearing his child cry out in pain took my breath. This has become my most recent binge.
I don't understand people like Ferhat Pasha, like, you were spared once and given a chance to repent, but would rather do the same crime again then beg when you get caught again, knowing full well there won't be a second chance anymore because you squandered the first one.
It feels like a display of arrogance (ironically, rather similar to how Ibrahim got in the show...) alongside of a dash of foolishness. Because, yeah, a sensible person would get that there wouldn't be a second chance, but it seems almost as if he took getting spared as a sign that such leniency was always assured to him out of being married to Beyhan.
That's the definition of the overused word "narcissist". Narcissists are usually charming, attractive people who early in life became conditioned to feel their charm is a bottomless well. The ones I've met did not believe they deserved everything -- they just thought a fair deal wasn't 50--50 but 95--5. They believe that so much that they think you believe it. The ones I've met are so sincere that they explained it to slowly on the assumption that I would see the light like solving a math problem, that I would say, "Oh yes, I see it now. I do 50% of the work and get 5%! Of course."
His social position imparted a sense of unwarranted arrogance to Ferhat Pasha, who was at his core a thief and a coward. His wife's relationship to Suleiman gave him what he thought was invincibility, and the earlier tolerance of his behaviors only reinforced the feeling that he was above the law and untouchable. He forgot the cardinal rule of brothers in law to the monarch. Never embarrass the king from whom all your fortune flows. That is especially true right after the king's special troops tried to kill him.
@@Redluna32___People of that distant time didn't haver TV or newspapers. Many of the aristocracy never even learned to read (they had scribes to do that). They didn't learn to foresee the consequences of their actions. That is one reason why a sultan stood out as a leader because he learned these skills.
What is surprising to me is that it appears Beyhan and Hatice did not seek to understand what caused such a punishment for their husands but expected the Sultan to overlook the grave corruption becase he was their sibling. Execution is extreme punishment, but lavish, entitled living at the misery of those you are supposed to be helping is extereme suffering for them. The decsion of the Sultan who was being misrepresented to these people, meant to assure them he had no part in the bad behavior of his Pasha there and of his immediate remedy to relieve that suffering along with the message of the sincerity of his disapproval of that bad behavior. I guess we could all do well to reflect on how our behavior affects those around us and seek to remedy our attitudes and avoid entitled over reach and God's intervention.
@@MemineAussi It seems Ferhat Pasha over pampered her. Giving in to her every whim which required a lot of money, hence the necessary corruption. Noble ladies at that time were totally sheltered from the outside world. Everything was provided to them and they never questioned or wondered where it all came from.
both ibrahim and ferhat got many warnings from suleiman and were spared many times , given many chances to fix up themselves , but instead they got carried away and the execution comes as a last solution , since suleiman cant turn his eyes way from their crimes , in ferhat's case , it even hurt suleiman's image since yahya effendi thought that he cover ferhat
In reality, members of Ottoman dynasty were not executed by simple strangulation as it is shown in this series. They were actually executing through process called garroting, which involved the person being tied to a wooden post with a rope being tied to a metal pole which was behind the post. The person was strangled by turning the metal pole around thus tightening the rope around person's neck. This is how Bayezid and his sons were executed. The way it is shown here is actually the way it was done during military campaigns or while being away from capital and palace when it needed to be done quickly. This is the way Mustafa and others were strangled to death.
the fact she got all her clothes and jewels from the people they were suppose to care for means nothing. her husband was a con and robber. that's what you can tell your kids!
Suleiman should have had Beyhan watch his trial. I don't blame her for being upset and not wanting to stay in the capital or with Hatice. But her anger shouldn't be solely on Suleiman her husband was spared death once and he still continued.
@@CrimsonAngelWingesI doubt it occurred to him as back them women in the Ottoman Royal Family were often kept away from such matters. There were strict rules for who could and could not have access to the women in the Sultans family and his haram. But yes it would of helped her she was educated much more than most women of the time.
Sad but i understand where Suleiman was coming from! As a king he had to keep the well being of his subjects as his highest priority and he had to dispense justice swiftly and firmly. Otherwise his administration would be weakened. Of course i understand Beyhans feelings too. She lost her husband and father of her children. Nothing could be worse for her than that.
@@WildernessGirl21 ___It depends on what cultural lens you use. "King" is a Western term. Depending how you translate it, "sultan" means "king of kings" and "king" means GOVERNOR.
Suleiman was also teaching ibrahim here, because ibrahim liked to "play sultan" too, set up his own palace and court, suleiman saw this weakness and tried to correct it but ibrahim was too corrupt.
This is actually one of those moments that's pretty dang close to the "real historical". That Hafsa actually spoke to convince Suleiman to spare the pasha in the first place, plays a big role in why some historians consider her to be Beyhan's mother to begin with (the record of Selim I's daughters is difficult to decipher). About the only thing that isn't real is the foreshadowing this serves for Hatice as it's now been proven she never actually married Ibrahim. Works well within the show, though! (Also that bit exchange around 1:09 is very telling of how Ibrahim's own poor actions will eventually be handled.)
In fact Hatice husband was executed by her father Selim Yavuz ( despite that he play a big role in his ascension to the throne just like a lot of Sultans in fact , it seems that being Vizier or Pasha was dangerous). Would have been a better write than show script I think. Yes there has been a lot of (false) speculation that Hatice was Ibrahim's wife. Maybe due to the fact that Ibrahim died strangled like a member of the dynasty (because their blood should not flow), I don't know. A yes the daughters of Selim Yavuz. One of the reasons why he won against his half brother Ahmed and his father Bayezid II (especially with the role of Hatice's husband). That's why I don't buy into the belief that Mahidevran was relieved gave birth to a daughter, she was Suleiman's concubine when he was sehzade so of course she knows how very useful a Sultana was (and I think the historic Hurrem was relieved too, Mihrimah as the Sultan's daughter would live without worrying about being strangled). Going back to the Sultan's daughters, it seems that he was very fond of Hatice daughter of his favorite Hafsa (but he was horrible when he had her husband executed no matter how much I like Selim Yavuz, he could be a terrible person even if he was one of the greatest Sultans), but also Sah daughter of the Crimean princess Ayse. But it seems he had a complicated relationship with Fatma Sultan who constantly complained to him about her husband (and since he didn't grant a divorce, I don't think they got along well). Hafsa was a good Valide (historically) and did many good things for the Ottoman Empire and neutral towards Hurrem and Mahidevran. But it would seem that when it came to her family she would put her family first like the case of Beyhan husband (understandable I would have done the same) or when it would seem that she didn't object to Suleiman taking the irresponsible decision to break the rule one concubine one son, when she should have opposed a little more (even if it would not have changed anything)
@@nesiacha3659 Yes,i also like Selim I more because he really expanded the empire for 8 years. Compared to Selim II,Mehmed III,Ibrahim I and Mustafa II whose reign was also 8 years,he was strong and powerful padishah,even though he was cruel at some point. I think that he was better than his son Suleiman I. I've seen some historians are giving the first place to Suleiman I,and the second to Selim I,but idk really. Agree about Hatice's husband,but he also executed the husbands of his other daughetrs and sisters too. Yes i agree about grand vizier position. The confusion about Ibrahim and Hatice being married was that Ibrahim married Muhsine Hatun(whose first name was Hatice)and her mother was called Hafsa Hatun(she was sister of Mihrishah Hatun-the woman who raised Ibrahim). Shah was neither daughter of Ayse Hatun(Crimean princess)or Hafsa Sultan. The mother of Shah was anonymous concubine(who lived until 1556 and died in Old Palace). It is probably that Selim married Ayse Hatun(daughter of Crimean khan)who previously was wife of his brother Sehzade Mehmed(who was governour of Kefe province). Ayse Hatun with Sehzade Mehmed had 2 children:son(also named Mehmed after his father,he was posthumus) who died as child and a daughter- Fatma Sultan. The marriage between Selim I and Ayse Hatun was political,to gain the support of Crimean khan when he rebeled against his father(something similar as Osman II with Akile Hatun and the granddaughter of Pertev Pasa,or as Mehmed II with Mukrime Hatun and Hatice Hatun). There are also some who said that this marriage didn't happened. But probably it happened. But what is sure,is that Ayse Hatun and Selim I didn't have children. Agree about Hafsa Sultan.
@@drfhgs428 Yes I think that Selim was one the best Sultans. I would really like to see what would happen if Selim Yavuz , Shah Abbas, Queen Elizabeth I, Louis XI of France , Friederich II of Prussia, Kings Catholics ( Isabel and Fernando) and Tsar Peter I or Catherine II would have do if they ruled in the same era. Probably a big fight. But still epic XD ( or epic alliance) And imagine the argue between Tsar Peter I and Selim Yavuz Tsar Peter I: My son is rebellious, a traitor and He ran away and probably will try to dethrone me. Selim I: Whats wrong with that? I dethrone my father and killed his heir. But I would do worse if my son even try to contradict myself More seriously, we have to be fair with Selim II he was too busy to repaired all the mistakes of his father. I think that Selim II was a better ruler than his father. I think that Suleiman was overrated , he made many mistakes and was one of the craftsmen of the Ottoman Empire so no he wasn't the best Sultan and he didn't choose well his viziers. I mean Ibrahim was a good diplomat but made too many mistakes, he voluntarily chose a vizier Kara Ahmed knowing that he would not be fit to take the job for Rustem to come back except that the people had to put up with it for a period, Suleiman was not able to manage an imperial treasury compared to Kosem and Murad who had to manage the state coffers in an empty way and in the end Murad filled the treasury in a spectacular way (or Turhan, reason why I consider Turhan and Kosem to be better leaders than Suleiman). He made a lot of reforms but not enough. Selim not only made strategic conquests, he was a true visionary because he knew the problems that the Ottoman Empire was going to see and did everything to overcome them, it could have worked , and he was as demanding of others as himself, and much more dutiful than his son ( Suleiman was selfish for broke all the rules of concubines which could have brought disastrous results when Selim no matter he like Hafsa refuse to do that) even if I know he could be very terrible ( but was also capable of great cruelty, just like his father he beheaded messengers and in his case it was even worse because the message was not as insulting as the one sent by the Shah to Selim if it hadn't been for Hurrem it would surely have been even worse ) I think it's because Selim Yavuz had to fight a lot more for the throne and his survival compared to his son his victory was brought to him on a silver platter (another worst example is Murad III in the easy win matter). In short I find that the three Selim are quite underestimated (Selim I, Selim II and Selim III even if the last one had a tragic end because of the Jannissaries)
@@nesiacha3659 Hahaha,true about Peter I and Selim I. Yes i agree about Selim II. It was mainly geopolitical situation-which was Suleiman's fault,and that's why some said Selim bring the downfall of the empire. While in reality,it wasn't like that. I agree about Suleiman I. I think he is overrated because of his reforms(which weren't enough,yes) and that he went on campaigns. Very true about Suleiman I and Murad III,they didn't have to fought for the throne,mainly because of their mothers(who were favourities),also they were only sons for a long time,and yes everything was brought for them on silver platter. Yes I agree about all Selims. Especially I feel sorry for Selim III.He was kind and good ruler,he wanted to end the janissaries also(before Mahmud II). But he was betrayed too by his cousins-Mustafa IV and Esma Sultan and their mother Sineperver Sultan. While he didn't have children, he still considered Mustafa and Mahmud(his little cousins)as his heirs, and even counted them as his children. Also 2 of his concubines throw themselves when the executioners had arrived, so yea it was mess. And he wasn't even strangled, he was pierced with a sword(which was the first and only case a sultan died that way). At least Mihrisah Sultan(his mother)wasn't alive that time,because after Murad and Nurbanu, it is said that Selim and Mihrishah had the second clouse mother and son bond. So yes, it sad. But in the end Mustafa IV didn't rule long(only a year),and he was executed too. Sineperver and Esma reminds me of Halime and Dilruba(show version somehow),and Esma of Mihrimah at some point.
@@drfhgs428 It seems that Mustafa IV was the most hated Sultan with Ibrahim I ( and to right tittle) Yes sad for Selim III , got a lot of good idea and then die horribly ( understand better why Peter I did that with Streltsy even if the repression was horrible and maybe got too far). Agreed about Sinepver and Esma. Too bad that Peter I and Selim never meet each other it would be something. They have a lot in common, as demanding of themselves as the others, go to war for strategic reasons, visionaries, angry, hardworking, have worked hard to ensure their thrones, have definitely brought their different countries to the apogee (even if Peter I has made many more reforms , including treating blacks and whites equally and was more eccentric than Selim for a ruler). In fact Peter I is a mix between Selim Yavuz Murad IV and Mahmud II.
I think Suleiman sparing their feelings by not revealing the extents of their crimes and treachery fed in to their hate and delusions that the punishments were unjust. He graciously spared their lives and their children. Usually if you were judged to be a traitor, your whole family was punished, not only the culprit
There have been sisters and daughters of sultans that were married of to pasha’s and/or vizirs over and over. One got beheaded, on to the next. The women were used to tie capable people to their sultanate. People that think Hürrem married Mirimah to Rüstem are delusional. The bad rap those two have is thanks to the fact that complaining about a Sultan at the hight of his power was a sure way to get your life shortened: It can’t be the one god send to care for us (sultan) is bad. He must be influenced by bad people. They don’t see duplicity in it: only a weak man can be influenced to do dumb stuff. But what is the sultanate, popedom and any kingdom ruled by an autocrat: one big gaslighting party. Where everybody is supposed to love and honor that one person and explain away all their misdeeds and mistakes.
I don't think sulaman liked or enjoyed executing people I do not believe in good faith he was bloodthirsty he ordered people strangled when he felt the laws of the empire he himself for being threatened
To my astonishment I have realised that the Semendire Sancağ that Ferhat Pasha ruled is actually in my country. It is called Smederevo and has a formidable fortress to this day.
Suleiman should have had Beyhan watch his trial. I don't blame her for being upset and not wanting to stay in the capital or with Hatice. But her anger shouldn't be solely on Suleiman her husband was spared death once and he still continued.
I am an American; i have made an effort to study the different civilizations of the world through history.....The ancient Tu Chueh peoples who formed a mighty empire (Celestial or Blue Turk) north of China and then spread westwards across the Eurasian steppe. This story resonates; On the Supreme Court of the United States is a motto: "Equal Justice Under the Law"
As long as Pauly and Ralphy kept giving Tony enough cash to give Carmela Soprano some serious pocket money, she didn't get too curious about where it was coming from, either....
Ah, The good old times, When one family ruled and enjoyed all the luxurious titles and pleasure, Rest all were there to serve them, have almost no rights and their only purpose was to serve thier master.
I stayed watching the whole thing fully convinced that James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock would arrive at any moment to help them see the error of their ways.
Strange how there isn't a twinge of conscience while draping herself with silks and jewels stolen by her corrupt husband. She knew what he was. He'd already be pardoned once before.The price has to be paid.
Such a short sighted women ! And all those claiming that criminals also have a family ...pain is understandable but the inability to see the facts , blame and lash out at people trying to help and support is not understandable. She continues to be bitter towards her brother , all her life . Maybe momentarily pain overwhelms but once it subsides one can see reason and facts ...
Hat's through history are a symbolic icon of intimidation and status. It seems the more height and splendour the more intimidating to the people. It's all about power over the many by the few. This is why the many must remain disarmed. Look to those that have the most to lose to find the most wicked.
He did not see. He knew he was watching the execution and that tower is the royal place to see the courtyard. The tower's name is "Justice Tower" in Topkapı Palace, where Sultan watches the cabinet meetings from. Historically that window is called "Hünkar penceresi - Majesty's Window". In case there would be a decision which Sultan oppose, Sultan would knock the metal bars twice or close the red curtains as a sign, which also means "finish the meeting now".
It shows history for what it was. The largest, longest Islamic empire in history, the sultans were the caliphs of Islam. No burqas, no veils, no niqabs. Where did the course of Islam turn from the enlightened ottoman empire, which led the world in medicinal and scientific advances, turn in to an oppressive, violent and hateful ideology? This form of Islam was respected and honourable
Since 19th to 20th century that gave birth to Wahhabism. Don't forget the Brits took part in it in order to make the Arabs rebelled the Ottoman, so don't blame only Muslim.
You jahil, they don't wear niqab because they're inside Harem😂not because their version of Islam says niqab isn't a part of Islam. Islam is Islam, it has no version, you either follow the book or you don't.
Regardless of it's merit as drama. The sets and costumes are lush ,possibly more elegant and stylish than the west's ruling elites ? I'd be happy to wear some of their clobber .
These comments are superb entertainment by themselves. This is just a TV show folks!! Settle down!! Great series! Really excellent acting, casting, screen writing, soundtrack, and sets. Likely only generally accurate with the history and personalities, but I sure am motivated to learn more about the Ottomans. 👍👍 Still, just a TV show, folks!!
Perhaps Suleiman made few mistakes but the one´s he did make led to the demise of the Ottoman empire. Time is like a rushing spring stream, coming down from the mountains. You must flow and transform with it or snap like a twig to eventually sink to the bottom.
@@KaiHouston-m6jtowards the end yes. The death knell came when sultan Abdulhamid was deposed, the last of the great leaders of that Empire. After that, it was a matter of time. The time period this show is depicting was the golden age of the Ottoman Empire. Even western sources have nothing but begrudging admiration for Sultan Suleyman, nicknamed Kanuni (Kanun means law, borrowed from Arabs who in turned borrowed it from the Greek Canon), the reason for this nickname is because he reformed the legal system of the empire.
This is like modern times where politicians are more concerned for their power and wealth than ensuring a profitable and meaningful life for the governed people.
I have a question for Muslims or for people familiar with the Ottoman dynasty. Was Suleiman's father, Mehmet the Sultan that threw down Vlad the impailer's rebellion or am I way off on time line. If I am when does that story play out in Ottoman History? Please and Thank you.
I almost cried when Suleiman said he couldn't kill Mustafa. I'll never forgive Hurren for his death. The death of an innocent man and a loving son by the orders of his own father.
Valide Sultan should have schooled her daughters that failty to their brother and sultan comes first, and that being sultan carries the heavy burden to make difficult and painful decisions.
Actually great representation of characters. Coward that believes that one pardon means he can do whatever he wants because he will be pardoned again. Insane female logic where instead of understanding why her husband was executed, she throws tantrum and is unreasonable.
Is not according to the era women lived in at that time but wouldn't have sensed his wrongdoings in that land and perhaps try to change him to save his life.
@@suegornik-bx4pw In Europe it was the opposite. Nobility was allowed to die by the sword or axe while the common people were being hanged (and usually left to swing for a while). There were of course cases where an extra-cruel way of execution was used such as boiling in hot water, being drawn and quartered or burning at the stakes (more for heretics).
What an irony. Beyhan told Hatice you will understand the pain when my brother will behead your husband. And some years later exactly that happened. And hatice took revenge by kidnapping Hurrem.
@@bozok6360pretty much all over Europe, ethnicity didn't matter, what matter were loyalty to the religion and to the dynasty. This world didn't reach the age of nation-state until 20th century. We can see French was formed by Gauls who were Romanised and Germans who were Romanised, the unifier were the Catholic Church and the dynasty. So does for Ottoman, the unifier were Islam and the Ottoman dynasty.
Oyyaram is a tamil word. ❤ That means elegant , Gracefulness and elegant must be more powerful . So also ekai - etham that's to give. Tamil is the oldest language
what exactly is magnificent about the violent gruesome depraved historical acts portrayed in this production. It is a work of art or a reflection of how naturally sadistic these people were back then😮
The actress who played Beyhan had done a tremendous job here...initially a shock..just cant believe and then bursting out crying..then leaving the palace...she nailed it.
I'm gonna tell you I find this series as good as anything produced in Hollywood. All of the actors in this show, except for the children of course, are EXCEPTIONAL in their rolls. This guy that plays the Sultan Suleiman fits this part so well and acts it out with amazing skill! The scenes where his son was going through the stretching of his bones?? The anguish on his face hearing his child cry out in pain took my breath. This has become my most recent binge.
I don't understand people like Ferhat Pasha, like, you were spared once and given a chance to repent, but would rather do the same crime again then beg when you get caught again, knowing full well there won't be a second chance anymore because you squandered the first one.
It feels like a display of arrogance (ironically, rather similar to how Ibrahim got in the show...) alongside of a dash of foolishness. Because, yeah, a sensible person would get that there wouldn't be a second chance, but it seems almost as if he took getting spared as a sign that such leniency was always assured to him out of being married to Beyhan.
That's the definition of the overused word "narcissist". Narcissists are usually charming, attractive people who early in life became conditioned to feel their charm is a bottomless well. The ones I've met did not believe they deserved everything -- they just thought a fair deal wasn't 50--50 but 95--5. They believe that so much that they think you believe it. The ones I've met are so sincere that they explained it to slowly on the assumption that I would see the light like solving a math problem, that I would say, "Oh yes, I see it now. I do 50% of the work and get 5%! Of course."
His social position imparted a sense of unwarranted arrogance to Ferhat Pasha, who was at his core a thief and a coward. His wife's relationship to Suleiman gave him what he thought was invincibility, and the earlier tolerance of his behaviors only reinforced the feeling that he was above the law and untouchable.
He forgot the cardinal rule of brothers in law to the monarch. Never embarrass the king from whom all your fortune flows. That is especially true right after the king's special troops tried to kill him.
@@Redluna32___People of that distant time didn't haver TV or newspapers. Many of the aristocracy never even learned to read (they had scribes to do that). They didn't learn to foresee the consequences of their actions. That is one reason why a sultan stood out as a leader because he learned these skills.
@@dhm7815 ___WELL SAID!
Ibrahim Pasha watched Ferhat Pasha being strangled, not realising, at the time, that he would suffer the same fate.
A year later after he executed Iskender Celebi
Inrahim pasha was lot better for caliphate then ferget pasha
I read many vizier strangled due ottoman ibrahim was not alone
What is surprising to me is that it appears Beyhan and Hatice did not seek to understand what caused such a punishment for their husands but expected the Sultan to overlook the grave corruption becase he was their sibling. Execution is extreme punishment, but lavish, entitled living at the misery of those you are supposed to be helping is extereme suffering for them. The decsion of the Sultan who was being misrepresented to these people, meant to assure them he had no part in the bad behavior of his Pasha there and of his immediate remedy to relieve that suffering along with the message of the sincerity of his disapproval of that bad behavior. I guess we could all do well to reflect on how our behavior affects those around us and seek to remedy our attitudes and avoid entitled over reach and God's intervention.
Omgoodness YES!!
Beyhan did not ask why her husband was executed. She witnessed his corruption, so she already knew why and did not need to ask.
@@MemineAussi It seems Ferhat Pasha over pampered her. Giving in to her every whim which required a lot of money, hence the necessary corruption. Noble ladies at that time were totally sheltered from the outside world. Everything was provided to them and they never questioned or wondered where it all came from.
Absolutely true!
both ibrahim and ferhat got many warnings from suleiman and were spared many times , given many chances to fix up themselves , but instead they got carried away and the execution comes as a last solution , since suleiman cant turn his eyes way from their crimes , in ferhat's case , it even hurt suleiman's image since yahya effendi thought that he cover ferhat
In reality, members of Ottoman dynasty were not executed by simple strangulation as it is shown in this series. They were actually executing through process called garroting, which involved the person being tied to a wooden post with a rope being tied to a metal pole which was behind the post. The person was strangled by turning the metal pole around thus tightening the rope around person's neck. This is how Bayezid and his sons were executed. The way it is shown here is actually the way it was done during military campaigns or while being away from capital and palace when it needed to be done quickly. This is the way Mustafa and others were strangled to death.
Rather get the ax, personally.
Garroting was still used in Spain under Franco as late as the 1970s. It’s a horrible way to die.
If you don't wear a lampshade on your head you have to wear a pumpkin, apparently.
@@throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361 throughout history mans ability to design ridiculous headwear for its leaders has outshone most other skills.
The garrote was historically used in Spain and her colonies. Was it because of Spain's Moorish heritage?
the fact she got all her clothes and jewels from the people they were suppose to care for means nothing. her husband was a con and robber. that's what you can tell your kids!
Suleiman should have had Beyhan watch his trial. I don't blame her for being upset and not wanting to stay in the capital or with Hatice. But her anger shouldn't be solely on Suleiman her husband was spared death once and he still continued.
@@CrimsonAngelWingesI doubt it occurred to him as back them women in the Ottoman Royal Family were often kept away from such matters. There were strict rules for who could and could not have access to the women in the Sultans family and his haram. But yes it would of helped her she was educated much more than most women of the time.
*You taunt and ridicule the sufferings of others. The family of the criminal are also Human beings, don't blame her.*
*How heartless are you? She lost her husband, whatever he was. The family of criminals are also Human beings, You can't understand her pain.*
@@Roseily-k1sNobody blames Beyhan, but she can't expect Süleyman to treat Ferhad as if he wasn't a criminal.
Sad but i understand where Suleiman was coming from! As a king he had to keep the well being of his subjects as his highest priority and he had to dispense justice swiftly and firmly. Otherwise his administration would be weakened. Of course i understand Beyhans feelings too. She lost her husband and father of her children. Nothing could be worse for her than that.
That's probably why sultan ahmed was laughable
Sulieman was never a king. He was a Sultan. Which is higher than a king. He MADE men kings.
@@WildernessGirl21 ___It depends on what cultural lens you use. "King" is a Western term. Depending how you translate it, "sultan" means "king of kings" and "king" means GOVERNOR.
Suleiman was also teaching ibrahim here, because ibrahim liked to "play sultan" too, set up his own palace and court, suleiman saw this weakness and tried to correct it but ibrahim was too corrupt.
This is actually one of those moments that's pretty dang close to the "real historical". That Hafsa actually spoke to convince Suleiman to spare the pasha in the first place, plays a big role in why some historians consider her to be Beyhan's mother to begin with (the record of Selim I's daughters is difficult to decipher).
About the only thing that isn't real is the foreshadowing this serves for Hatice as it's now been proven she never actually married Ibrahim. Works well within the show, though! (Also that bit exchange around 1:09 is very telling of how Ibrahim's own poor actions will eventually be handled.)
In fact Hatice husband was executed by her father Selim Yavuz ( despite that he play a big role
in his ascension to the throne just like a lot of Sultans in fact , it seems that being Vizier or Pasha was dangerous). Would have been a better write than show script I think.
Yes there has been a lot of (false) speculation that Hatice was Ibrahim's wife. Maybe due to the fact that Ibrahim died strangled like a member of the dynasty (because their blood should not flow), I don't know.
A yes the daughters of Selim Yavuz. One of the reasons why he won against his half brother Ahmed and his father Bayezid II (especially with the role of Hatice's husband). That's why I don't buy into the belief that Mahidevran was relieved gave birth to a daughter, she was Suleiman's concubine when he was sehzade so of course she knows how very useful a Sultana was (and I think the historic Hurrem was relieved too, Mihrimah as the Sultan's daughter would live without worrying about being strangled).
Going back to the Sultan's daughters, it seems that he was very fond of Hatice daughter of his favorite Hafsa (but he was horrible when he had her husband executed no matter how much I like Selim Yavuz, he could be a terrible person even if he was one of the greatest Sultans), but also Sah daughter of the Crimean princess Ayse.
But it seems he had a complicated relationship with Fatma Sultan who constantly complained to him about her husband (and since he didn't grant a divorce, I don't think they got along well).
Hafsa was a good Valide (historically) and did many good things for the Ottoman Empire and neutral towards Hurrem and Mahidevran.
But it would seem that when it came to her family she would put her family first like the case of Beyhan husband (understandable I would have done the same) or when it would seem that she didn't object to Suleiman taking the irresponsible decision to break the rule one concubine one son, when she should have opposed a little more (even if it would not have changed anything)
@@nesiacha3659 Yes,i also like Selim I more because he really expanded the empire for 8 years.
Compared to Selim II,Mehmed III,Ibrahim I and Mustafa II whose reign was also 8 years,he was strong and powerful padishah,even though he was cruel at some point.
I think that he was better than his son Suleiman I.
I've seen some historians are giving the first place to Suleiman I,and the second to Selim I,but idk really.
Agree about Hatice's husband,but he also executed the husbands of his other daughetrs and sisters too.
Yes i agree about grand vizier position.
The confusion about Ibrahim and Hatice being married was that Ibrahim married Muhsine Hatun(whose first name was Hatice)and her mother was called Hafsa Hatun(she was sister of Mihrishah Hatun-the woman who raised Ibrahim).
Shah was neither daughter of Ayse Hatun(Crimean princess)or Hafsa Sultan.
The mother of Shah was anonymous concubine(who lived until 1556 and died in Old Palace).
It is probably that Selim married Ayse Hatun(daughter of Crimean khan)who previously was wife of his brother Sehzade Mehmed(who was governour of Kefe province).
Ayse Hatun with Sehzade Mehmed had 2 children:son(also named Mehmed after his father,he was posthumus) who died as child and a daughter- Fatma Sultan.
The marriage between Selim I and Ayse Hatun was political,to gain the support of Crimean khan when he rebeled against his father(something similar as Osman II with Akile Hatun and the granddaughter of Pertev Pasa,or as Mehmed II with Mukrime Hatun and Hatice Hatun).
There are also some who said that this marriage didn't happened.
But probably it happened.
But what is sure,is that Ayse Hatun and Selim I didn't have children.
Agree about Hafsa Sultan.
@@drfhgs428 Yes I think that Selim was one the best Sultans. I would really like to see what would happen if Selim Yavuz , Shah Abbas, Queen Elizabeth I, Louis XI of France , Friederich II of Prussia, Kings Catholics ( Isabel and Fernando) and Tsar Peter I or Catherine II would have do if they ruled in the same era. Probably a big fight. But still epic XD ( or epic alliance)
And imagine the argue between Tsar Peter I and Selim Yavuz
Tsar Peter I: My son is rebellious, a traitor and He ran away and probably will try to dethrone me.
Selim I: Whats wrong with that? I dethrone my father and killed his heir. But I would do worse if my son even try to contradict myself
More seriously, we have to be fair with Selim II he was too busy to repaired all the mistakes of his father. I think that Selim II was a better ruler than his father.
I think that Suleiman was overrated , he made many mistakes and was one of the craftsmen of the Ottoman Empire so no he wasn't the best Sultan and he didn't choose well his viziers. I mean Ibrahim was a good diplomat but made too many mistakes, he voluntarily chose a vizier Kara Ahmed knowing that he would not be fit to take the job for Rustem to come back except that the people had to put up with it for a period, Suleiman was not able to manage an imperial treasury compared to Kosem and Murad who had to manage the state coffers in an empty way and in the end Murad filled the treasury in a spectacular way (or Turhan, reason why I consider Turhan and Kosem to be better leaders than Suleiman).
He made a lot of reforms but not enough. Selim not only made strategic conquests, he was a true visionary because he knew the problems that the Ottoman Empire was going to see and did everything to overcome them, it could have worked , and he was as demanding of others as himself, and much more dutiful than his son ( Suleiman was selfish for broke all the rules of concubines which could have brought disastrous results when Selim no matter he like Hafsa refuse to do that) even if I know he could be very terrible ( but was also capable of great cruelty, just like his father he beheaded messengers and in his case it was even worse because the message was not as insulting as the one sent by the Shah to Selim if it hadn't been for Hurrem it would surely have been even worse )
I think it's because Selim Yavuz had to fight a lot more for the throne and his survival compared to his son his victory was brought to him on a silver platter (another worst example is Murad III in the easy win matter).
In short I find that the three Selim are quite underestimated (Selim I, Selim II and Selim III even if the last one had a tragic end because of the Jannissaries)
@@nesiacha3659 Hahaha,true about Peter I and Selim I.
Yes i agree about Selim II.
It was mainly geopolitical situation-which was Suleiman's fault,and that's why some said Selim bring the downfall of the empire.
While in reality,it wasn't like that.
I agree about Suleiman I.
I think he is overrated because of his reforms(which weren't enough,yes) and that he went on campaigns.
Very true about Suleiman I and Murad III,they didn't have to fought for the throne,mainly because of their mothers(who were favourities),also they were only sons for a long time,and yes everything was brought for them on silver platter.
Yes I agree about all Selims.
Especially I feel sorry for Selim III.He was kind and good ruler,he wanted to end the janissaries also(before Mahmud II).
But he was betrayed too by his cousins-Mustafa IV and Esma Sultan and their mother Sineperver Sultan.
While he didn't have children, he still considered Mustafa and Mahmud(his little cousins)as his heirs, and even counted them as his children. Also 2 of his concubines throw themselves when the executioners had arrived, so yea it was mess.
And he wasn't even strangled, he was pierced with a sword(which was the first and only case a sultan died that way).
At least Mihrisah Sultan(his mother)wasn't alive that time,because after Murad and Nurbanu, it is said that Selim and Mihrishah had the second clouse mother and son bond.
So yes, it sad.
But in the end Mustafa IV didn't rule long(only a year),and he was executed too.
Sineperver and Esma reminds me of Halime and Dilruba(show version somehow),and Esma of Mihrimah at some point.
@@drfhgs428 It seems that Mustafa IV was the most hated Sultan with Ibrahim I ( and to right tittle)
Yes sad for Selim III , got a lot of good idea and then die horribly ( understand better why Peter I did that with Streltsy even if the repression was horrible and maybe got too far).
Agreed about Sinepver and Esma.
Too bad that Peter I and Selim never meet each other it would be something.
They have a lot in common, as demanding of themselves as the others, go to war for strategic reasons, visionaries, angry, hardworking, have worked hard to ensure their thrones, have definitely brought their different countries to the apogee (even if Peter I has made many more reforms , including treating blacks and whites equally and was more eccentric than Selim for a ruler).
In fact Peter I is a mix between Selim Yavuz Murad IV and Mahmud II.
At 33:40, many of us already know that Hatice will feel that pain someday.
I think Suleiman sparing their feelings by not revealing the extents of their crimes and treachery fed in to their hate and delusions that the punishments were unjust. He graciously spared their lives and their children. Usually if you were judged to be a traitor, your whole family was punished, not only the culprit
There have been sisters and daughters of sultans that were married of to pasha’s and/or vizirs over and over. One got beheaded, on to the next. The women were used to tie capable people to their sultanate. People that think Hürrem married Mirimah to Rüstem are delusional. The bad rap those two have is thanks to the fact that complaining about a Sultan at the hight of his power was a sure way to get your life shortened: It can’t be the one god send to care for us (sultan) is bad. He must be influenced by bad people. They don’t see duplicity in it: only a weak man can be influenced to do dumb stuff. But what is the sultanate, popedom and any kingdom ruled by an autocrat: one big gaslighting party. Where everybody is supposed to love and honor that one person and explain away all their misdeeds and mistakes.
Ahhh Sumbul the only person who survived the whole ordeal without being stressed.
This is not the first execution that His Majesty orders
I don't think sulaman liked or enjoyed executing people I do not believe in good faith he was bloodthirsty he ordered people strangled when he felt the laws of the empire he himself for being threatened
To my astonishment I have realised that the Semendire Sancağ that Ferhat Pasha ruled is actually in my country. It is called Smederevo and has a formidable fortress to this day.
History goes as long as humanity exists. Who knows what would happen to your Smederevo fortress for the next hundreds of years.
@@terrarozza1 Next 100 are more or less predictable (50 at least), next 200 far less so.
That was the province at the time that Bali Bey's father governed.
Ok but what about dear old hubby torturing all those subjects? Plus he did it before. Is she so surprised?
Suleiman should have had Beyhan watch his trial. I don't blame her for being upset and not wanting to stay in the capital or with Hatice. But her anger shouldn't be solely on Suleiman her husband was spared death once and he still continued.
I am an American; i have made an effort to study the different civilizations of the world through history.....The ancient Tu Chueh peoples who formed a mighty empire (Celestial or Blue Turk) north of China and then spread westwards across the Eurasian steppe. This story resonates; On the Supreme Court of the United States is a motto: "Equal Justice Under the Law"
Gotta be tough shopping for just the right lamp shade to wear at Lighting Unlimited.
We "westerners" wear some pretty outlandish stuff too.
IN MY VIEW
I guess Ferhat Pasha's wife was either blind, dumb or left out about how her husband was cruel to his subjects and even murdered.
well yes at that home she would have been kept out of public things she probably never knew he was doing those things
She probably didn't know
As long as Pauly and Ralphy kept giving Tony enough cash to give Carmela Soprano some serious pocket money, she didn't get too curious about where it was coming from, either....
9:06 "I wouldn't."
Sure.
And did....chile
Ah,
The good old times,
When one family ruled and enjoyed all the luxurious titles and pleasure,
Rest all were there to serve them, have almost no rights and their only purpose was to serve thier master.
I stayed watching the whole thing fully convinced that James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock would arrive at any moment to help them see the error of their ways.
Very interesting. Good actors. Well played. Helps me better understand this culture.
I have to ask myself if I could comfortably live in a world ruled by men in ridiculous hats.
HATICE is stunningly gorgeous…
To my Western eyes, she is quite plain.
@@lincolnyaco5626 To my western eyes, she is quite stunning. Don't know why you have to make this a racial thing. Quite unnecessary.
HE ACTUALLY DIDN'T REMOVE HIS HEAD AS HE WAS MARRIED TO HIS SISTER SULTANA BEYAN. HE WAS STRANGELED INSTEAD SO HIS BLOOD WAS NOT SPILLED.
I’m just thinking of how painful and heartbreaking this is for his wife Beyhan
Strange how there isn't a twinge of conscience while draping herself with silks and jewels stolen by her corrupt husband. She knew what he was. He'd already be pardoned once before.The price has to be paid.
Such a short sighted women ! And all those claiming that criminals also have a family ...pain is understandable but the inability to see the facts , blame and lash out at people trying to help and support is not understandable.
She continues to be bitter towards her brother , all her life .
Maybe momentarily pain overwhelms but once it subsides one can see reason and facts ...
I can't take those hats seriously
Hat's through history are a symbolic icon of intimidation and status.
It seems the more height and splendour the more intimidating to the people.
It's all about power over the many by the few.
This is why the many must remain disarmed.
Look to those that have the most to lose to find the most wicked.
Dumpling
NO KIDDING! Those hats are riotous!
I always think of marshmallows 😂
No one can bless the actors for having to wear them
The weight on Suliman shoulders and what needed to be done had to be done. I love the looks on his face
23:26 - how could Ibrahim see Suley behind that thick grid? 🤔
Suley???
He did not see. He knew he was watching the execution and that tower is the royal place to see the courtyard. The tower's name is "Justice Tower" in Topkapı Palace, where Sultan watches the cabinet meetings from. Historically that window is called "Hünkar penceresi - Majesty's Window". In case there would be a decision which Sultan oppose, Sultan would knock the metal bars twice or close the red curtains as a sign, which also means "finish the meeting now".
I had to look up The Story of Deli Dumrul, as mentioned in the video. Fascinating read!
It shows history for what it was. The largest, longest Islamic empire in history, the sultans were the caliphs of Islam. No burqas, no veils, no niqabs. Where did the course of Islam turn from the enlightened ottoman empire, which led the world in medicinal and scientific advances, turn in to an oppressive, violent and hateful ideology? This form of Islam was respected and honourable
Revisionist movements that's what led to niqab
Indeed! What happened?
Advent of fundamentalism in the 19th century, I think.
Since 19th to 20th century that gave birth to Wahhabism. Don't forget the Brits took part in it in order to make the Arabs rebelled the Ottoman, so don't blame only Muslim.
You jahil, they don't wear niqab because they're inside Harem😂not because their version of Islam says niqab isn't a part of Islam. Islam is Islam, it has no version, you either follow the book or you don't.
Regardless of it's merit as drama. The sets and costumes are lush ,possibly more elegant and stylish than the west's ruling elites ?
I'd be happy to wear some of their clobber .
Even the daft hats are interesting !
It was a vast and very rich Empire. Don't forget that Constantinople played a huge part in European history.
These comments are superb entertainment by themselves. This is just a TV show folks!! Settle down!!
Great series! Really excellent acting, casting, screen writing, soundtrack, and sets. Likely only generally accurate with the history and personalities, but I sure am motivated to learn more about the Ottomans. 👍👍
Still, just a TV show, folks!!
Very well said.
Perhaps Suleiman made few mistakes but the one´s he did make led to the demise of the Ottoman empire. Time is like a rushing spring stream, coming down from the mountains. You must flow and transform with it or snap like a twig to eventually sink to the bottom.
TBH, the end of the Ottomans was certain to end. Historic forces were closing in too strongly for them to adjust.
@@KaiHouston-m6jtowards the end yes. The death knell came when sultan Abdulhamid was deposed, the last of the great leaders of that Empire. After that, it was a matter of time. The time period this show is depicting was the golden age of the Ottoman Empire. Even western sources have nothing but begrudging admiration for Sultan Suleyman, nicknamed Kanuni (Kanun means law, borrowed from Arabs who in turned borrowed it from the Greek Canon), the reason for this nickname is because he reformed the legal system of the empire.
@@myowngenesis I feel like killing Mustafah and Ibrahim were some of his biggest mistakes.
Beautiful series Amazing costumes and sets.Quality
This is like modern times where politicians are more concerned for their power and wealth than ensuring a profitable and meaningful life for the governed people.
He had to answer for Santino. 😆
I have a question for Muslims or for people familiar with the Ottoman dynasty. Was Suleiman's father, Mehmet the Sultan that threw down Vlad the impailer's rebellion or am I way off on time line. If I am when does that story play out in Ottoman History? Please and Thank you.
If I'm reading the family tree correctly, it was Mehmed II, Suleiman the Magnificent's great-grandfather, who caused that conflict.
@@terrib627Mehmet II was the one who conquered Constantinople.
Suleiman's father was Selim the Grim who expanded the Ottoman empire into Egypt and the Levant
Where can I see all of this; good stuff, great acting.
I almost cried when Suleiman said he couldn't kill Mustafa. I'll never forgive Hurren for his death. The death of an innocent man and a loving son by the orders of his own father.
Those hats are hilarious. They look like odd marshmallows 😅
They are marvelous creations; I have been trying to figure out their construction.
They look like styrofoam coolers to me.
@@terrib627true 😂
They remind me of huge Teeth 😂
To me they look like lampshades. :D
Someone should have told these guys that they were wearing lampshades on their heads.
I wonder what made them decide to create those hats and think, "yeah this will look great on my head". 😂
9:04 he had done
Valide Sultan should have schooled her daughters that failty to their brother and sultan comes first, and that being sultan carries the heavy burden to make difficult and painful decisions.
Actually great representation of characters. Coward that believes that one pardon means he can do whatever he wants because he will be pardoned again. Insane female logic where instead of understanding why her husband was executed, she throws tantrum and is unreasonable.
It’s tough to be a King
Nothing good happens when to much power is concentrated in to few hands.
What actually happened there in Suleiman's reign in a small town is really happening and exist in Pakistan as a whole.what a similarity.
Magnificent indeed....especially those hats😂
This is almost as if taken directly from the Prince by Machiavelli, regarding deputies.
I’ve never seen this. It’s great.
The bigger the hat, the closer to god. We do that too but with hair.
Is not according to the era women lived in at that time but wouldn't have sensed his wrongdoings in that land and perhaps try to change him to save his life.
It is easy to follow. The one with the silliest hat is the most important.
Tax on non Muslims was common for the Ottomans. It hastened their downfall.
Why did they strangle Ferat instead of beheading him? I mean he was already kneeling in front of a block made for beheading.
Royal family members all are strangled beacause their blood is not allowed to be spilled.
@@xperformxperformance8039 thanks I was wondering why. So different from royal executions in Europe at that time.
@@suegornik-bx4pw
Turkic people are more Asian than European with similar customs to Mongolians.
@@suegornik-bx4pw In Europe it was the opposite. Nobility was allowed to die by the sword or axe while the common people were being hanged (and usually left to swing for a while). There were of course cases where an extra-cruel way of execution was used such as boiling in hot water, being drawn and quartered or burning at the stakes (more for heretics).
@@xperformxperformance8039 It takes several minutes to die from strangulation, not the 20 seconds shown here.
15:46 that is so not going to go the way any of them expected it to😂
What an irony. Beyhan told Hatice you will understand the pain when my brother will behead your husband. And some years later exactly that happened. And hatice took revenge by kidnapping Hurrem.
She looks like Jacqueline Antaramian from american gods but she is Pinar Çaglar Gençtürk
Awesome hats.
20:14 Doesn't Selim say something like this in one of the future episodes ?.... I think.....?
The bloodline of Ottoman imperial family are European descent.
Sure,because a lot of the Sultans' consorts were European captives and also,Turkey is in Europe too (3% of it)
Their background does not matter. In islam ethnicity is not important.
I don't see why that matters. Like the person above me said ethnicity does not matter in islam.
They are mix. Central Asia + north Europe + east Europe + balkan9
@@bozok6360pretty much all over Europe, ethnicity didn't matter, what matter were loyalty to the religion and to the dynasty. This world didn't reach the age of nation-state until 20th century. We can see French was formed by Gauls who were Romanised and Germans who were Romanised, the unifier were the Catholic Church and the dynasty. So does for Ottoman, the unifier were Islam and the Ottoman dynasty.
What a pity that Beyhan Sultana lost her husband and her children lost their father. If he had only done what the Sultan commanded him to do.
In the background of his office there is a globe. Can anyone tell me if it fits the era?
Perhaps it would have been better if the Sultan transferred Ferhat to Istanbul in a different position
It was empire, not democratic republic :D
What do the hats signify that the men are wearing in the council?
That they really enjoy wearing funny hats.
These hats....
An abyss between arbitrary and european court system.
33:59 Hatice didn't know that was her future
I recall a similar scene from "the Godfather."
what language they speak?
Turkish, I think
Turk
5:20 - that man`s complaints sounds very much like capital*stic habits :))
The C*ommunists do the same thing, but to whole nations, not just villages.
That isn't capitalism. That is a rule of a tyrant.
Valide,Gulfem and Beyhan have their heads covered. Hatice Sultana doesn’t. Why?
What happened to Ferhat Pasha's sons? Were they also silently terminated like their father?
Nice hats
I feel badly for Beyhan.
What do the hats mean? Are they given when these men move up on status
Is the clothing period correct? If so it appears my knowledge has been tainted by hollywood .
How sad.
Beyhan has HUGE 👀
Suleiman loses relatives everytime he executes someone, or am I imagining things???
Oyyaram is a tamil word. ❤ That means elegant , Gracefulness and elegant must be more powerful .
So also ekai - etham that's to give.
Tamil is the oldest language
Very stupid not to tell the wife that the husband is going to die. Just stop with the drama already….
Magnificent
Feraht pasha. Origin
,
😮😮😮
his head is giftwrapped
Why are they wearing waste paper baskets on their heads
😮😮😢
Is this the supposed to perfect Muslim civilization that I just wanted to bring about? No thanks.
What you said doesn't make any grammatical sense
Do WHAT?
Learn to speak fool
WAY too much family drama for me! No Thank You!
Islam!
Aș dori să fie trraduse in limba romînă ,seriialele Suleiman .agnificu
l .Vă mulțumesc
Ugh
such stupid hats
The entire series is barely historically correct. There are books where the truth iis written. But it makes for lots of hours of watching.
OMG if they actually dubbed it in English there would be people that appreciate the culture more in US and other English speaking places
Isn't it? I just watched it and there are English subs here.
Aahhj sorry, you said dubbed. Of course hah.
Ibrahim pasa. Is so,so bad.He is acting like sultan.
what exactly is magnificent about the violent gruesome depraved historical acts portrayed in this production. It is a work of art or a reflection of how naturally sadistic these people were back then😮
As opposed to today where the ruler can make mistakes without consequences, and people just suffer in silence and drugs
The globe is an anachronism.
The oldest surviving globe dates back to about 1492, so no.
@@youteacher78 The map details, Teacher.