that was strange, not a war dance, the way they interpreted that pricks behaviour was uncoordinated, it looked like he was acting like a child. she was nt the right type of victim. i really wish i could catch one of these assholes and destroy them. 😡🤬😈
Maartjie Tamboezer was 15 years old in 1986, she'd be 48 years old now. Such a tragedy for the women who were killed and also for those who were attacked and raped.
Maartje Tamboezer and Alison Lock both killed by the same people. Looking back now you can see the similarities both on bicycles near railway lines, uncanny how they were spoken about one after the other on crimewatch. Personally I think Crimewatch went down hill in the last 3 or 4 years before it was axed. The constructions seemed more detailed in the older episodes and it was more about flashy studios and gimmicks at the end of it's life
Society was changing. Technology had meant that crimes that would have taken up a lot of time on crimewatch could now be solved much more easily. If you watch it now, it's very different because crime is very different. Murders are very often solved within a day or two because of CCTV, mobile phone records and DNA. Today's crimewatch tends to feature crimes like online fraud or domestic violence - the kind of stuff where there aren't any witnesses appeals needed.
@@zeddeka well I agree that technology and society has changed, however that last series of crimewatch inside that ridiculous porta cabin was so awful. I think they deliberately made it bad so they could axe it and claim "lower viewing figures" Making something crap isn't down to changing society
@@zeddeka really? Wow sounds pretty boring. I did see a newer episode where the presenters were with the fire brigade and lifeboat station.....wtf have they got to do with crime?!
I agree… Jeremy Vine standing hunched over in a car park somewhere on an outside broadcast and probably the most miserable presenter of them all, Tina Daheley as his sidekick. It was almost like they were running it into the ground. Shame because I still believe there’s an audience for this sort of show of an evening. Not the stupid Crimewatch Roadshow they shove on mid mornings now and then.
A sign of the times that the caravan owner didn't push to find out why, in her opinion, a 12-year-old boy was traveling alone. How could she let him stay in the caravan without knowing anything about him or trying to find out where he came from. Again, a sign of the times? Most people these days would be quite concerned if a 12-year-old turned up alone asking to stay in their caravan park.
@@Harry-fk5of Yes totally ... so very very sad a case that touches my heart .. she must have though dear god where are his family are people looking for him? or even called the police to ask for advice ..
@@mkfloyd9131 more than that - the police believe the gang was much bigger and traced men to Aberdeen, Wales, Newcastle and Durham but couldn't get enough evidence
'The war dance' WTF?!?! Sinister or what! Don't know how anyone can say the new crimewatch reconstructions were more disturbing than these. Adding music and effects just made the whole thing tacky and all about the production and not the subject or appeal.
This war dance is getting me. I'm trying to find where they got that name from because i only know it as a mocking gesture from childhood. Nah, nah , nah , nah nah. Creepy as fk.
The Tamboezer killing which we now know was perpetretated by two rapists and the details of their horrific crimes makes watching these Crimewatch episodes a very somber experience. It was a great show, delivered professionally and needed at the time sadly
Crimewatch was so good at the reconstructions back then. Funny looking at the programmes now when viewers would write in to the programme. Pre-internet, social media and email etc. everything must have taken so long! There's an almost wholesome feel to the programme where the hosts talk to the viewer like they really are friends. So much has changed in that way but violent crime hasn't.
A puzzling aspect of the Maartje Tamboezer case is the timeline from her leaving home to the abduction. The timings in the reconstruction are clearly out since we now know that Maartje in fact passed Duffy and Mulcahy on the cinder path on her outward journey and they set the ‘trap’ on the basis that she would be coming back the same way. She did return some 10 minutes later but it is a mystery where she went to before returning since there were no witnesses from the point of her leaving The St and joining the cinder path - we must assume that she changed her mind about going to the sweet shop for whatever reason and decided to return home. It is revealing how safe she must have felt cycling there that she returned to the cinder path even in the knowledge that two unknown men were in the vicinity. The ‘war dance’ man is almost certainly Mulcahy as is the man leaving the fields and running to the station. In his evidence for the second Old Bailey trial, Duffy confirmed that he returned to the station without passing anyone.
We are here watching a programme about some horrible, nasty, atrocious people/acts & I am astounded at the amount of unnecessary, nasty comments & replies on so many of the uploads. Really is unbelievable.
2 missing girls, train stations and bicycles do u think they had linked the crimes at this point it’s chilling knowing that the same people committed both crimes
Ryan Davies recently read an excellent book on the cases called A Dangerous Place. According to that they effectively started to link the two cases that night, as the two lead detectives discussed similarities.
The Swift case is the saddest because he was trying to getaway which made him alone and then unwittingly befriended weirdos. How was he to understand that sadist predators wanted to abuse and murder him. No friends, just on drift autopilot. Sad mad world.
They say murder victims are often a reflection of the society they lived in. So many vulnerable kids from unhappy homes, with no emotional roots. Made them so vulnerable. Still a problem we're struggling to deal with now.
He left his sister's home where he was safe and stole £75. He put himself in danger and mixed with gays, according to this. He was young, but it was his own fault. He should have stayed at home.
@@treasurehunteruk9718 Rotten comment (not the first I've seen from you on these vids 🙄). We all made errors of judgement when we were young, but Jason was in no way to blame for his death. Don't forget your humanity - these are real people and there's a chance that their loved ones might read these comments.
@@hihowareyouthen He was 14 and old enough to know right from wrong. I knew stealing was wrong when I was in junior school. He had a sister who lovingly provided him with a home, so he thanks her by stealing £75 and sneaking off the minute she leaves the house. Look what James Bulger's killers were capable of doing at 10. Fourteen is way past the age of responsibility. I was at school with kids who were under age drinking in graveyards, and stealing from sweet shops for a thrill, but I never did it. I knew it was wrong and chose not to. It is unfortunate he got mixed up with the wrong people, but I can't see how it was anyone else's fault but his own.
@@treasurehunteruk9718 A 14-year-old is still a child and needs to be watched out for, the caravan park lady was pretty useless in that regard, although I understand it was a sign of the times and people were less concerned about street kids. He needed decent adults to parent him and guide him. He needed someone to care.
Poor Jason was seriously let down by those who were supposed to be caring for him. Knowingly letting a young lad have relationships with several older man; absolutely tragic
At least close yr sister's door after stealing from her, and who ever murdered him must be1 nasty, evil cruel bastard. I'm a mother of4 and I would lose my mind if anything was2 happen2 them. Poor Jason R.I.P. sweetheart, and God bless all his family members x
cyrus Persian Who knows. Perhaps he was picked up by some one or put under pressure. Perhaps he was hiding or trying to escape them. He especially told his sister he was happy there. And he probably wanted her to know . I think he did not juststeal and run. I think he fled. so sorry for tht little boy.
@@zahria I think perhaps your right! I thought the same thing! So sad, trying to get away and running straight into the Devil himself. RIP Jason, free at last.
The road Maartje took on her bicycle, leaving her home, is called The Street, in West Horsley. The garage is today called West Horsley Motors. She would have passed the garage for a hundred meters only to then enter the path. It is amazing how little has changed of this area. The most picturesque of places, only to have the luck to find yourself in the arms of one of a serial killer.
Really a testament to how bad society was back then in many ways. Family problems were almost taken for granted and a lot of kids were almost estranged from their families and slipped through the net. There's a good crimewatch special on youtube called 'The Lost Boys' looking at how many young lads disappeared back then and fell into an underworld of vice - some of the naivety of the police officers in it is astonishing (one of them talks about how there definitely weren't any problems like that in Essex, when it turned out that Southend was a major hotspot for it). The older generation back then had gone through the war and maybe the depression before that, so they were often very desensitised to a lot of stuff. They'd also been brought up where people were genuinely ashamed about talking about a lot of stuff, so it was all brushed under the carpet. They'd also often been brought up in a society where poverty and family problems were almost the norm and where they'd been expected to grow up much more quickly than kids are now. They'd had their own traumas and so a kid running away from his family probably seemed like no big thing to a lot of them (you see it reflected now when a lot of older people call the young 'snowflakes'). Also worth noting that people could also be astonishingly naive back then - things like that just weren't discussed and people were shocked when they found out it did (ever have an older relative talk about how 'things like that didn't happen when I was young? Well, it happened in buckets, but it was all brushed under the carpet) . It's a real tragedy, and one that still happens now a great deal, but at least we're more aware of it. One of the things we tend to forget now - so much of British history is filled with really appalling trauma of one sort or another and society still carries a lot of the scars that have been passed down.
@th8257 there were also a lot of men who were organised abusers of young boys. The PIE was campaigning for recognition. People like Peter Tatchell were of the opinion that young boys could benefit from sex with older men. 😮
Why didn't anybody do anything in the times Jason Swift WAS seen? Especially that old bird Doris with the caravan, if she thought he was 12 then surely alarm bells should have gone off? Poor lad
Really a testament to how bad society was back then in many ways. Family problems were almost taken for granted and a lot of kids were almost estranged from their families and slipped through the net. There's a good crimewatch special on youtube called 'The Lost Boys' looking at how many young lads disappeared back then and fell into an underworld of vice - some of the naivety of the police officers in it is astonishing (one of them talks about how there definitely weren't any problems like that in Essex, when it turned out that Southend was a major hotspot for it). The older generation back then had gone through the war and maybe the depression before that, so they were often very desensitised to a lot of stuff. They'd also been brought up where people were genuinely ashamed about talking about a lot of stuff, so it was all brushed under the carpet. They'd also often been brought up in a society where poverty and family problems were almost the norm and where they'd been expected to grow up much more quickly than kids are now. They'd had their own traumas and so a kid running away from his family probably seemed like no big thing to a lot of them (you see it reflected now when a lot of older people call the young 'snowflakes'). Also worth noting that people could also be astonishingly naive back then - things like that just weren't discussed and people were shocked when they found out it did (ever have an older relative talk about how 'things like that didn't happen when I was young? Well, it happened in buckets, but it was all brushed under the carpet) . It's a real tragedy, and one that still happens now a great deal, but at least we're more aware of it. One of the things we tend to forget now - so much of British history is filled with really appalling trauma of one sort or another and society still carries a lot of the scars that have been passed down.
@@starchild3287 because I'm replying to different people, many of whom clearly have no memory of that era because they're too young, who are essentially asking the same thing over and over. I'm not talking to you each time. Believe it or not, you can speak to more than one person in comments sections. Personally speaking, I'd be happy if someone older than me who remembered or had an insight a time I didn't took the time to reply to explain things I couldn't possibly have any memory or understanding of. Is that really so hard to grasp? I quite like learning about things I don't have insights into. It seems some other people clearly don't.
Jees... This episode refers to victims of the Railway Killers, the Bullseye killer, Sidney Cooke, and Robert Black. The 1980s were a hell of a time for serial killers...
@@johnpaterson6741 well, technology is aiding the police with regards to serious crime. DNA technology, CCTV, smartphones etc etc all mean that it's hard murderers/ terrorists to escape justice for long. An effect of that is that crime has changed again - spree killers and suicide bombers have become more prevalent.
@@johnpaterson6741 so many issues. A lot harder to get away with that kind of crime nowadays because of advances in technology and understanding about how these things happen. Secondly, society is actually getting less violent over time. The UK had the highest level of violent crime in Europe in the 80s but not now thankfully.
The UK had the highest level of violent crime in Europe during the 80s. Very high levels of unemployment being something of a factor. Interestingly, a lot of people also actually think that lead in petrol was a major underlying cause of it too because of the effect the pollution had (!)
@@zeddeka I have no doubt that it had an effect. However, many - if not most - of the crimes on crimewatch were fostered by the increasing mobility of criminals. The motorway network was largely completed by the mid 1970s. That together with rapidly increasing car ownership resulted in police forces floundering. They just weren't set up for regional/national crime. Interestingly, a prime example was the the Yorkshire ripper murders. He used the motorway network extensively. The newly amalgamated Yorkshire were unprepared. In 1985 the British police began using the HOLMES computer network which could link all forces together for the first time...
Definitely. Got a feeling they split up after the murder, Mulchacy made his way back to London somehow and I think the guy in the blue coat was Duffy who got back to town by rail? Never wanting to be seen together? All the police who investigated the cases said Mulchacy was by far the worst of the two in the commission of the crimes. He wasn't caught originally and Duffy went down for everything in 1986 and Mulchacy was free until 1999. The police always knew there were two offenders but couldn't prove it?
The Jason Swift feature upsets me a 14 year old lad on his own moving about & getting used by perverts .. i wonder what his parents were doing? i mean only 14 there his responsibility shocking case ... just sad rip ..
Like so many kids who end in similar circumstances to Jason, he came from a family that had problems. He'd spent time in care when younger and had no emotional roots. He was a lost soul looking for the love and stability he hadn't had as a kid. If you see so many of the kids who are the victims of abuse now, they almost always have exactly the same type of background. It's such a tragedy.
I googled Sir John Moores to see if I could find any information on the burglary or whether the perpetrators were caught but there's no mention of it, not even on his wikipedia. All I found was an article about his nephew, David Moores, experiencing something similar. I would have thought that with him having a high profile that it wouldn't be out of the headlines.
In the States, a war dance was something completely different. It was like an actual dance. We just called what was shown "nah nah nah nah nahhh" or a taunt from what I could remember as a kid. Anyway, newer crimewatch fan, that's why response is a couple of years in the future 😄
why did jason say he really liked staying at his sisters house, then he steals off her and goes off to essex. wish he would have stayed put, and he would never have ran into sidney cook and co.
Seems the poor lad had a kind of Oliver Twist type of existence. No emotional roots, brought up with a lot of poverty and struggles. Like we've seen in so many other cases, kids like that are so vulnerable to falling into danger.
The home invasion at the end was pretty funny. Everyone was downstairs at first then the old geezer threw such a fit n everyone ended up coming up to calm him down. I was laughing.
35:56 Very impressive lady. Highly intelligent and a good, clear communicator. One complaint however: when the anonymous caller starts by saying that it is a 'personal matter', her very first question in response should be to ascertain the *location* of the 'personal matter'. Valuable time gets wasted otherwise.
Also: she let herself down with that final question - "but, how have you come by this information?" Aside from the fact that the answer is perfectly obvious, this question effectively amounts to an accusation, with the result that the anonymous caller instantly terminates the conversation. It is striking that the caller is strangely unhurried and demonstrates no sign of tension. There was an opportunity to get more information from him.
Well if the nice lady thought Jason was12 then fuckinhell she should have informed the police about him, but like she said, she took2 him so she ain't gonna want2 get him in2 any trouble
He told the lady his parents let him travel on his own, most people wouldn't want to get involved in something like that because as far as she was concerned his parents knew he was there. In those days young kids went to places a lot on their own. My step dad was getting on the tube going across London and being left home alone with his sister when he was about 5.
Really a testament to how bad society was back then in many ways. Family problems were almost taken for granted with some parts of society and a lot of kids were almost estranged from their families and slipped through the net. There's a good crimewatch special on youtube called 'The Lost Boys' looking at how many young lads disappeared back then and fell into an underworld of vice - some of the naivety of the police officers in it is astonishing (one of them talks about how there definitely weren't any problems like that in Essex, when it turned out that Southend was a major hotspot for it). The older generation back then had gone through the war and maybe the depression before that, so they were often very desensitised to a lot of stuff. They'd also been brought up where people were genuinely ashamed about talking about a lot of stuff, so it was all brushed under the carpet. They'd also often been brought up in a society where poverty and family problems were almost the norm and where they'd been expected to grow up much more quickly than kids are now. They'd had their own traumas and so a kid running away from his family probably seemed like no big thing to a lot of them (you see it reflected now when a lot of older people call the young 'snowflakes'). Also worth noting that people could also be astonishingly naive back then - things like that just weren't discussed and people were shocked when they found out it did (ever have an older relative talk about how 'things like that didn't happen when I was young? Well, it happened in buckets, but it was all brushed under the carpet) . It's a real tragedy, and one that still happens now a great deal, but at least we're more aware of it. One of the things we tend to forget now - so much of British history is filled with really deep social problems of one sort or another and society still carries a lot of the scars that have been passed down.
Some very unpleasant comments below about Jason Swift being a 14 year old killed by 'gay men' (ignoring the fact that the two main characters of that gang had also attacked and abused women and girls). Yet, nobody seems to have commented on how 15 year old Maartje Tamboezer was a 15 year old girl killed by 'straight men'.
Some children are so hard-headed. They think they know best and their parents can't tell them a damn thing. I wouldn't have dared go against my parents.
The Jason Swift case a real indicator of how bad a lot of society was back then, and how poverty and dysfunctional families provided a steady stream of vulnerable kids who were easy prey for paedophiles. Sadly, we're still struggling with those problems. Child abuse was going on on an industrial scale, and there have been several high profile inquiries into it in recent years. As someone said, the attitude of the public back then was a mixture of "naivety, disbelief and simply not wanting to know". London as well was a dark, sleazy place in many areas and "child prostitution" was pretty brazen in areas like Piccadilly Circus and London's larger train stations. As late as 1994 with the case of Daniel Handley, some police officers were complaining that the police and government in general simply didn't take child abuse seriously, and the lessons and intelligence learned from the Sidney Cooke gang had not been learned. The sex offenders register wasn't introduced until 1997 and before that, police often had no idea which sex offenders were in their area or what they were doing.
@@TimmyTickle totally agree. The 80s were very dark in many ways. Mass unemployment, riots, strikes, football hooliganism, a massive spike in violent crime and social attitudes that would curdle milk
And Cooke the evil c*** is still alive at 91! So wrong Why isn't he dead yet!? he had a stroke 10 years ago and is wheelchair bound good I hope he suffers for eternity!
You don't call a straight man who is attracted to young girls a heterosexual, you call him a pedo, and rightly so. So why would someone describe a man who has a predilection towards boys a homosexual and not a pedophile? Clear distinction.
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"
Its so funny how back in the 80s they could describe a witness "a fat man" with such straight faces I was nearly on the floor laughing :)
Facts before feelings. However Liberals don’t like that approach.
Am fat as fuck myself and I was laughing to
They could've at least said overweight, obese or large sized. I couldn't believe that the word Fat was allowed to be used, SMH
@yortzandatis not much to go on, is it inspector Roy Slater?
Yes, I agree it did sound so strange didn't it!!
was more freaked out by the war dance than anything else
Same I shit a brick 🤣
The Revival lol yes I was a bit freaked out a bit 😭
there has been more eerier reconstructions
that was strange, not a war dance, the way they interpreted that pricks behaviour was uncoordinated, it looked like he was acting like a child. she was nt the right type of victim. i really wish i could catch one of these assholes and destroy them. 😡🤬😈
New Zealand Hakka perhaps???
Maartjie Tamboezer was 15 years old in 1986, she'd be 48 years old now. Such a tragedy for the women who were killed and also for those who were attacked and raped.
Duffy and Mulcahy should have been hung
RIP to all their victims
@@09weenic I totally agree.
Thankfully her killers were caught and are rotting in jail……rip Maartjie 🙏🏼
Maartje Tamboezer and Alison Lock both killed by the same people. Looking back now you can see the similarities both on bicycles near railway lines, uncanny how they were spoken about one after the other on crimewatch. Personally I think Crimewatch went down hill in the last 3 or 4 years before it was axed. The constructions seemed more detailed in the older episodes and it was more about flashy studios and gimmicks at the end of it's life
Society was changing. Technology had meant that crimes that would have taken up a lot of time on crimewatch could now be solved much more easily. If you watch it now, it's very different because crime is very different. Murders are very often solved within a day or two because of CCTV, mobile phone records and DNA. Today's crimewatch tends to feature crimes like online fraud or domestic violence - the kind of stuff where there aren't any witnesses appeals needed.
@@zeddeka well I agree that technology and society has changed, however that last series of crimewatch inside that ridiculous porta cabin was so awful. I think they deliberately made it bad so they could axe it and claim "lower viewing figures" Making something crap isn't down to changing society
@@zeddeka really? Wow sounds pretty boring. I did see a newer episode where the presenters were with the fire brigade and lifeboat station.....wtf have they got to do with crime?!
@@nathaniliescutotherescue6047 quite a lot actually if you think about it
I agree… Jeremy Vine standing hunched over in a car park somewhere on an outside broadcast and probably the most miserable presenter of them all, Tina Daheley as his sidekick. It was almost like they were running it into the ground. Shame because I still believe there’s an audience for this sort of show of an evening. Not the stupid Crimewatch Roadshow they shove on mid mornings now and then.
80s security cameras seemed to give better quality images than today’s.
So true. On the most recent upload, Jan ‘87, during a robbery they feature colour cctv footage with sound!
I thought it was only me...
It really is!!
🤣🤣🤣
CCTV footage today looks like it's filmed on a potato.
Nick Ross said in a newspaper article that maartje tamboezers case haunted him for years
Why? Did he do it?
@@hmq9052😂
What kind of ignorant turd are you AGAIN? USER HMQ
He also said that he felt depressed in regard to the litany of conspiracy theories regarding Jill Dando’s murder.
Ain’t gonna lie, I missed my crime watch fix last night! Thank you for another great video 👍
Why even think about lying on such a inconsequential Sentence no wonder the country is the way it is
What’s that snowflake?
Behave yourself bawbag I'm 59
The Jason Swift story rips my heart out :( he was only a young kid so very sad .
Mine too. More worrying is the fact that 3 of the 4 monsters who killed Jason, Barry and almost certainly Mark Tildesly are free and about...
A sign of the times that the caravan owner didn't push to find out why, in her opinion, a 12-year-old boy was traveling alone. How could she let him stay in the caravan without knowing anything about him or trying to find out where he came from. Again, a sign of the times? Most people these days would be quite concerned if a 12-year-old turned up alone asking to stay in their caravan park.
@@Harry-fk5of Yes totally ... so very very sad a case that touches my heart .. she must have though dear god where are his family are people looking for him? or even called the police to ask for advice ..
@@mkfloyd9131 more than that - the police believe the gang was much bigger and traced men to Aberdeen, Wales, Newcastle and Durham but couldn't get enough evidence
@@BlytheWorld1972your avatar scares the bejeezus out of me!
Oh my that scene of the guy tying the string over the pathway gave me chills....
i bet even the actress playing Marrtjie was traumatized by the reenactment terrible
I remember it so well from the time. Made me terrified to go out on my bike.
'The war dance' WTF?!?! Sinister or what! Don't know how anyone can say the new crimewatch reconstructions were more disturbing than these. Adding music and effects just made the whole thing tacky and all about the production and not the subject or appeal.
This war dance is getting me. I'm trying to find where they got that name from because i only know it as a mocking gesture from childhood. Nah, nah , nah , nah nah. Creepy as fk.
@@MM0SDK It's unlikely that was the killer though, unless I'm mistaken.
The new generation has no respect.
that was john duffy or david mulcahy that did the war dance.
@@leedummett4412 sickenning
Hey Redcard, Thank you so much for the uploads, I'm in Australia and I've never seen this, it was a fantastic program.
Loving these. Been at it solid all day. What a treat
The Tamboezer killing which we now know was perpetretated by two rapists and the details of their horrific crimes makes watching these Crimewatch episodes a very somber experience. It was a great show, delivered professionally and needed at the time sadly
Crimewatch was so good at the reconstructions back then. Funny looking at the programmes now when viewers would write in to the programme. Pre-internet, social media and email etc. everything must have taken so long! There's an almost wholesome feel to the programme where the hosts talk to the viewer like they really are friends. So much has changed in that way but violent crime hasn't.
Just looked on Google maps, the area at East Horsley seems unchanged, just the trees surrounding the fields are now a lot thicker.
A puzzling aspect of the Maartje Tamboezer case is the timeline from her leaving home to the abduction. The timings in the reconstruction are clearly out since we now know that Maartje in fact passed Duffy and Mulcahy on the cinder path on her outward journey and they set the ‘trap’ on the basis that she would be coming back the same way. She did return some 10 minutes later but it is a mystery where she went to before returning since there were no witnesses from the point of her leaving The St and joining the cinder path - we must assume that she changed her mind about going to the sweet shop for whatever reason and decided to return home. It is revealing how safe she must have felt cycling there that she returned to the cinder path even in the knowledge that two unknown men were in the vicinity.
The ‘war dance’ man is almost certainly Mulcahy as is the man leaving the fields and running to the station. In his evidence for the second Old Bailey trial, Duffy confirmed that he returned to the station without passing anyone.
We are here watching a programme about some horrible, nasty, atrocious people/acts & I am astounded at the amount of unnecessary, nasty comments & replies on so many of the uploads. Really is unbelievable.
Alison day Was another on a previous CW episode who was killed by Duffy and mulcahy
Many have said this but the Jason Swift case is very sad. Just very sad.
2 missing girls, train stations and bicycles do u think they had linked the crimes at this point it’s chilling knowing that the same people committed both crimes
Ryan Davies recently read an excellent book on the cases called A Dangerous Place. According to that they effectively started to link the two cases that night, as the two lead detectives discussed similarities.
A pathologist watching this episode did and linked the crimes for them.
And he threw a gate, apparently …
The Swift case is the saddest because he was trying to getaway which made him alone and then unwittingly befriended weirdos. How was he to understand that sadist predators wanted to abuse and murder him.
No friends, just on drift autopilot.
Sad mad world.
They say murder victims are often a reflection of the society they lived in. So many vulnerable kids from unhappy homes, with no emotional roots. Made them so vulnerable. Still a problem we're struggling to deal with now.
He left his sister's home where he was safe and stole £75. He put himself in danger and mixed with gays, according to this. He was young, but it was his own fault. He should have stayed at home.
@@treasurehunteruk9718 Rotten comment (not the first I've seen from you on these vids 🙄). We all made errors of judgement when we were young, but Jason was in no way to blame for his death. Don't forget your humanity - these are real people and there's a chance that their loved ones might read these comments.
@@hihowareyouthen He was 14 and old enough to know right from wrong. I knew stealing was wrong when I was in junior school. He had a sister who lovingly provided him with a home, so he thanks her by stealing £75 and sneaking off the minute she leaves the house. Look what James Bulger's killers were capable of doing at 10. Fourteen is way past the age of responsibility. I was at school with kids who were under age drinking in graveyards, and stealing from sweet shops for a thrill, but I never did it. I knew it was wrong and chose not to. It is unfortunate he got mixed up with the wrong people, but I can't see how it was anyone else's fault but his own.
@@treasurehunteruk9718 A 14-year-old is still a child and needs to be watched out for, the caravan park lady was pretty useless in that regard, although I understand it was a sign of the times and people were less concerned about street kids. He needed decent adults to parent him and guide him. He needed someone to care.
Happy Friday CW UK family! 🤓
Poor Jason was seriously let down by those who were supposed to be caring for him. Knowingly letting a young lad have relationships with several older man; absolutely tragic
Why won’t ceefax work on my tv?
You need a time travel dongle plugged in to the SCART socket NOT USB.
Poor Jason.
Anne Lock was another victim of the Railway killers. Duffy was acquitted but later admitted his involvement.
At least close yr sister's door after stealing from her, and who ever murdered him must be1 nasty, evil cruel bastard. I'm a mother of4 and I would lose my mind if anything was2 happen2 them. Poor Jason R.I.P. sweetheart, and God bless all his family members x
cyrus Persian Who knows. Perhaps he was picked up by some one or put under pressure.
Perhaps he was hiding or trying to escape them.
He especially told his sister he was happy there. And he probably wanted her to know .
I think he did not juststeal and run. I think he fled.
so sorry for tht little boy.
@@zahria I think perhaps your right! I thought the same thing! So sad, trying to get away and running straight into the Devil himself. RIP Jason, free at last.
He was gang-raped & murdered by Sidney Cooke & his paedophile ring, as were many other very young boys 😢💔
The road Maartje took on her bicycle, leaving her home, is called The Street, in West Horsley. The garage is today called West Horsley Motors. She would have passed the garage for a hundred meters only to then enter the path. It is amazing how little has changed of this area. The most picturesque of places, only to have the luck to find yourself in the arms of one of a serial killer.
i remember jason swift being on the news, so sad... how he was murdered will stay with me forever.
Really a testament to how bad society was back then in many ways. Family problems were almost taken for granted and a lot of kids were almost estranged from their families and slipped through the net. There's a good crimewatch special on youtube called 'The Lost Boys' looking at how many young lads disappeared back then and fell into an underworld of vice - some of the naivety of the police officers in it is astonishing (one of them talks about how there definitely weren't any problems like that in Essex, when it turned out that Southend was a major hotspot for it). The older generation back then had gone through the war and maybe the depression before that, so they were often very desensitised to a lot of stuff. They'd also been brought up where people were genuinely ashamed about talking about a lot of stuff, so it was all brushed under the carpet. They'd also often been brought up in a society where poverty and family problems were almost the norm and where they'd been expected to grow up much more quickly than kids are now. They'd had their own traumas and so a kid running away from his family probably seemed like no big thing to a lot of them (you see it reflected now when a lot of older people call the young 'snowflakes'). Also worth noting that people could also be astonishingly naive back then - things like that just weren't discussed and people were shocked when they found out it did (ever have an older relative talk about how 'things like that didn't happen when I was young? Well, it happened in buckets, but it was all brushed under the carpet) . It's a real tragedy, and one that still happens now a great deal, but at least we're more aware of it. One of the things we tend to forget now - so much of British history is filled with really appalling trauma of one sort or another and society still carries a lot of the scars that have been passed down.
@@zeddeka do you ever stop going on and on nothing is as bad as you’re making out i think you literally watch too many programs about crime
@@Thenorthsace 2@
@th8257 there were also a lot of men who were organised abusers of young boys. The PIE was campaigning for recognition. People like Peter Tatchell were of the opinion that young boys could benefit from sex with older men. 😮
@@Thenorthsacelol the @85257 guy is the biggest weirdo on youtube
Why didn't anybody do anything in the times Jason Swift WAS seen? Especially that old bird Doris with the caravan, if she thought he was 12 then surely alarm bells should have gone off? Poor lad
Exactly
Really a testament to how bad society was back then in many ways. Family problems were almost taken for granted and a lot of kids were almost estranged from their families and slipped through the net. There's a good crimewatch special on youtube called 'The Lost Boys' looking at how many young lads disappeared back then and fell into an underworld of vice - some of the naivety of the police officers in it is astonishing (one of them talks about how there definitely weren't any problems like that in Essex, when it turned out that Southend was a major hotspot for it). The older generation back then had gone through the war and maybe the depression before that, so they were often very desensitised to a lot of stuff. They'd also been brought up where people were genuinely ashamed about talking about a lot of stuff, so it was all brushed under the carpet. They'd also often been brought up in a society where poverty and family problems were almost the norm and where they'd been expected to grow up much more quickly than kids are now. They'd had their own traumas and so a kid running away from his family probably seemed like no big thing to a lot of them (you see it reflected now when a lot of older people call the young 'snowflakes'). Also worth noting that people could also be astonishingly naive back then - things like that just weren't discussed and people were shocked when they found out it did (ever have an older relative talk about how 'things like that didn't happen when I was young? Well, it happened in buckets, but it was all brushed under the carpet) . It's a real tragedy, and one that still happens now a great deal, but at least we're more aware of it. One of the things we tend to forget now - so much of British history is filled with really appalling trauma of one sort or another and society still carries a lot of the scars that have been passed down.
@@zeddeka why are you repeating yourself on here over and over
@@starchild3287 because I'm replying to different people, many of whom clearly have no memory of that era because they're too young, who are essentially asking the same thing over and over. I'm not talking to you each time. Believe it or not, you can speak to more than one person in comments sections. Personally speaking, I'd be happy if someone older than me who remembered or had an insight a time I didn't took the time to reply to explain things I couldn't possibly have any memory or understanding of. Is that really so hard to grasp? I quite like learning about things I don't have insights into. It seems some other people clearly don't.
@@zeddekalol you’re a weirdo
The detectives behind him were literally, waiting for your call. Brilliant!
I remember all the posters of Jason in Hackney so sad
Poor maartje such a pretty young lady with her whole life ahead of her. Those bastards
May they rest in hell
Unforgivable acts of evil by these 2 monsters
Jees... This episode refers to victims of the Railway Killers, the Bullseye killer, Sidney Cooke, and Robert Black. The 1980s were a hell of a time for serial killers...
Makes you wonder, are the police getting better at catching them, or are the killers getting better at evading detection?
@@johnpaterson6741 well, technology is aiding the police with regards to serious crime. DNA technology, CCTV, smartphones etc etc all mean that it's hard murderers/ terrorists to escape justice for long. An effect of that is that crime has changed again - spree killers and suicide bombers have become more prevalent.
@@johnpaterson6741 so many issues. A lot harder to get away with that kind of crime nowadays because of advances in technology and understanding about how these things happen. Secondly, society is actually getting less violent over time. The UK had the highest level of violent crime in Europe in the 80s but not now thankfully.
The UK had the highest level of violent crime in Europe during the 80s. Very high levels of unemployment being something of a factor. Interestingly, a lot of people also actually think that lead in petrol was a major underlying cause of it too because of the effect the pollution had (!)
@@zeddeka I have no doubt that it had an effect. However, many - if not most - of the crimes on crimewatch were fostered by the increasing mobility of criminals. The motorway network was largely completed by the mid 1970s. That together with rapidly increasing car ownership resulted in police forces floundering. They just weren't set up for regional/national crime. Interestingly, a prime example was the the Yorkshire ripper murders. He used the motorway network extensively. The newly amalgamated Yorkshire were unprepared. In 1985 the British police began using the HOLMES computer network which could link all forces together for the first time...
Thanks so much .
Regards the ‘war dance’ this is almost certainly David Mulcahy carrying out a recce.
Definitely. Got a feeling they split up after the murder, Mulchacy made his way back to London somehow and I think the guy in the blue coat was Duffy who got back to town by rail? Never wanting to be seen together? All the police who investigated the cases said Mulchacy was by far the worst of the two in the commission of the crimes. He wasn't caught originally and Duffy went down for everything in 1986 and Mulchacy was free until 1999. The police always knew there were two offenders but couldn't prove it?
I would say so too!
John Moores was a feisty chap! Bless him.
The Jason Swift feature upsets me a 14 year old lad on his own moving about & getting used by perverts .. i wonder what his parents were doing? i mean only 14 there his responsibility shocking case ... just sad rip ..
Also the murder of fifteen year old girl it really upsets me when children are killed in such horrific way Xx😢
@@nathaniliescu4597???
@@marthagomez3366 you heard.
i can imagine he had been a victim and trafficked much of his short life. rip i'm sorry
Like so many kids who end in similar circumstances to Jason, he came from a family that had problems. He'd spent time in care when younger and had no emotional roots. He was a lost soul looking for the love and stability he hadn't had as a kid. If you see so many of the kids who are the victims of abuse now, they almost always have exactly the same type of background. It's such a tragedy.
why is a caravan park owner letting a child stay alone! and then laughing! humans are unreal!
I googled Sir John Moores to see if I could find any information on the burglary or whether the perpetrators were caught but there's no mention of it, not even on his wikipedia. All I found was an article about his nephew, David Moores, experiencing something similar. I would have thought that with him having a high profile that it wouldn't be out of the headlines.
It was in the papers at the time. My grandma (Pat) probably still has the cut outs
8:42 Creepy as hell. "War dance" though? Never knew it was called that. Can't see any mention of it on searches.
Funny how it's often the small things that are most creepy.
In the States, a war dance was something completely different. It was like an actual dance. We just called what was shown "nah nah nah nah nahhh" or a taunt from what I could remember as a kid. Anyway, newer crimewatch fan, that's why response is a couple of years in the future 😄
It ain't scary at all, you're easily scared clearly. It's odd for sure but not scary
Is this the kid that got murdered by Sidney Cooke
Yes 😢
Poor Jason, bless him. So sad.
How creepy, two victims of the same rapist/killer bastards in separate segments
why did jason say he really liked staying at his sisters house, then he steals off her and goes off to essex. wish he would have stayed put, and he would never have ran into sidney cook and co.
He would have already know them not just bumped into them, it was stated that he hung around with older gay men.
@@Thenorthsace you are spot on. lenny smith used jason as a rent boy, and sold him on to the others.
Seems the poor lad had a kind of Oliver Twist type of existence. No emotional roots, brought up with a lot of poverty and struggles. Like we've seen in so many other cases, kids like that are so vulnerable to falling into danger.
Happy Friday everyone! 😁
35, looks more like 65.
They were downstairs watching a thriller and then they were in one :/
The home invasion at the end was pretty funny. Everyone was downstairs at first then the old geezer threw such a fit n everyone ended up coming up to calm him down. I was laughing.
35:56 Very impressive lady. Highly intelligent and a good, clear communicator. One complaint however: when the anonymous caller starts by saying that it is a 'personal matter', her very first question in response should be to ascertain the *location* of the 'personal matter'. Valuable time gets wasted otherwise.
Also: she let herself down with that final question - "but, how have you come by this information?" Aside from the fact that the answer is perfectly obvious, this question effectively amounts to an accusation, with the result that the anonymous caller instantly terminates the conversation. It is striking that the caller is strangely unhurried and demonstrates no sign of tension. There was an opportunity to get more information from him.
Sir John was a friend of my Mothers Father and he died a self made billionaire.
Cant take it with you
No such thing as self made billionaire - you make it as profits from other people's labours and work.
Billions are no good when you're dead
Yeah by ripping people off by over charging for items out of a book.
@@muls9571 No good to him now he's dead.
Well if the nice lady thought Jason was12 then fuckinhell she should have informed the police about him, but like she said, she took2 him so she ain't gonna want2 get him in2 any trouble
He told the lady his parents let him travel on his own, most people wouldn't want to get involved in something like that because as far as she was concerned his parents knew he was there. In those days young kids went to places a lot on their own. My step dad was getting on the tube going across London and being left home alone with his sister when he was about 5.
Really a testament to how bad society was back then in many ways. Family problems were almost taken for granted with some parts of society and a lot of kids were almost estranged from their families and slipped through the net. There's a good crimewatch special on youtube called 'The Lost Boys' looking at how many young lads disappeared back then and fell into an underworld of vice - some of the naivety of the police officers in it is astonishing (one of them talks about how there definitely weren't any problems like that in Essex, when it turned out that Southend was a major hotspot for it). The older generation back then had gone through the war and maybe the depression before that, so they were often very desensitised to a lot of stuff. They'd also been brought up where people were genuinely ashamed about talking about a lot of stuff, so it was all brushed under the carpet. They'd also often been brought up in a society where poverty and family problems were almost the norm and where they'd been expected to grow up much more quickly than kids are now. They'd had their own traumas and so a kid running away from his family probably seemed like no big thing to a lot of them (you see it reflected now when a lot of older people call the young 'snowflakes'). Also worth noting that people could also be astonishingly naive back then - things like that just weren't discussed and people were shocked when they found out it did (ever have an older relative talk about how 'things like that didn't happen when I was young? Well, it happened in buckets, but it was all brushed under the carpet) . It's a real tragedy, and one that still happens now a great deal, but at least we're more aware of it. One of the things we tend to forget now - so much of British history is filled with really deep social problems of one sort or another and society still carries a lot of the scars that have been passed down.
@@zeddeka stop with this bullshit you’re making no sense repeating the same old shit over and over
When did it change from 40 mins to an hour program
The Holloway heavy weight looks like Mel Smith
ow yeah just when i couldnt find one i hadnt seen 😏
W12 8QT Now posh flats
13 friegan heffers!!!! LMAO... poor cows 🙄
The gasman smiling in the pic ..creep
20:54 all those coins and the dealer gave Jason a measly fiver?? Con man.
Remember this is 30-odd years ago. A fiver then would be worth far more in today's money.
@@Baravia yeah I suppose so.
@@Baravia Only about £20 in today's money. I too thought he was being a con man.
They were probably old tender and not british and yeah a fiver went a long way back then
He had £75 in his bin that he'd had offmans from his sisters gaff remember.
War dance?? WTF!!
The imposter gas man was 35! He must have had a hard life!
Or a hard paper round
@@TimmyTickle up hill in winter lol
Being a killer obviously aged him!
Some very unpleasant comments below about Jason Swift being a 14 year old killed by 'gay men' (ignoring the fact that the two main characters of that gang had also attacked and abused women and girls). Yet, nobody seems to have commented on how 15 year old Maartje Tamboezer was a 15 year old girl killed by 'straight men'.
Exactly
Statement of fact isn’t it why is that an issue
Thank you thank you thank you Xx
8:38 sent a chill right up my spine
Some children are so hard-headed. They think they know best and their parents can't tell them a damn thing. I wouldn't have dared go against my parents.
Scousers do the best robberies, text book
That was good of the guard 🤦♀️ oh dear. I know they didn't know then that he was the killer but what an unfortunate comment
really don't get why people think the war dance is creepy, there is much more eerier reconstructions than that
Cause it's Weird AF
I agree, it ain't scary at all. Odd yeah but not scary
@@scoot8534weird isn't scary though
The Jason Swift case a real indicator of how bad a lot of society was back then, and how poverty and dysfunctional families provided a steady stream of vulnerable kids who were easy prey for paedophiles. Sadly, we're still struggling with those problems. Child abuse was going on on an industrial scale, and there have been several high profile inquiries into it in recent years. As someone said, the attitude of the public back then was a mixture of "naivety, disbelief and simply not wanting to know". London as well was a dark, sleazy place in many areas and "child prostitution" was pretty brazen in areas like Piccadilly Circus and London's larger train stations. As late as 1994 with the case of Daniel Handley, some police officers were complaining that the police and government in general simply didn't take child abuse seriously, and the lessons and intelligence learned from the Sidney Cooke gang had not been learned. The sex offenders register wasn't introduced until 1997 and before that, police often had no idea which sex offenders were in their area or what they were doing.
I think of this whenever I hear a Thatcherite in the media (on GB News or in the Sun) talk about how everything was better in the 80s
@@TimmyTickle totally agree. The 80s were very dark in many ways. Mass unemployment, riots, strikes, football hooliganism, a massive spike in violent crime and social attitudes that would curdle milk
The housekeeper should have called the police as soon as the people entered the house
Sue top bird
'The Holloway Heavyweight'.
Or Steve Bruce, as he's known.
The Policewoman at 35:55 is so beautiful!
WPC Jacqui Johnson. She actually went on to co-present the Incident Desk section of the February 1987 edition of Crimewatch UK.
@@vhayes2257 Thank you :)
I hear Basildon or Essex and I'm never surprised... cause rough!
26.08 its Roy Slater from only fools lol
Notice the uneasy way that the detective in the Jason Swift case refers to ‘gay men’ etc.
It was John Cooper!
Hayley Cropper in John Moore’s abode? Does Roy know?
Assume it's the John Moore whom the university is named after
Anne lock was wearing a pink sweater
And
32:34 My Grandma and Grandad💙
Its great hearing people being described as fat if they are fat nowadays all the cry baby's would get in a right lather!!
In fairness, it was pretty blunt language for the time too
Call ‘em as you see ‘em.
Jason .. was murdered by filthy deprived gay men Killing a young 14 year old lad there animals , i feel so very sad for him .rip .
BlytheWorld1972 that scumbag Sidney Cooke was a paedophile not gay.
And Cooke the evil c*** is still alive at 91! So wrong Why isn't he dead yet!? he had a stroke 10 years ago and is wheelchair bound good I hope he suffers for eternity!
You don't call a straight man who is attracted to young girls a heterosexual, you call him a pedo, and rightly so. So why would someone describe a man who has a predilection towards boys a homosexual and not a pedophile? Clear distinction.
@@stephenroche4897 stupid pointless comment 😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩
@@teviottilehurst omg he is gay, get over it, she only started facts. PC Mad!
Were the thieves ever caught in connection with the burglary of Sir John Moores?
Stephen ryder might be in the “progress reports” in later episodes. Sir John died in 1993.
Fuck me port Talbot on cw lol nothing new lmfao 😂
Have you seen anything unusual.?Be Great,if the "witness"Aye I have this sore smelly growth on the end of my Bell end HAHAHAHA,it's Quite Unusual
16:58 Fud!! 😂
08:42 war dance. Freak.
Sue Cook you beauty 😍
A squirrel reserve 🐿 lol 😂 my god what they did for fun back then. Very Alan partridge
“ a fat woman “
Er Er this doesn't pass the woke test.
Idiot.
What war was that going to start?! Ner ner ne ner neee!! Clowns maybe. Lol.
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !"
Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ."
Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!"
Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..."
Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!"
Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky."
Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction."
Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"