Your stance comment was a real “ah ha” moment for me. That’s what makes things click for me. Still learning it, but really made me understand it a bit more
@TheRobochicken5494 slower learning has nothing to do with processing what ppl are saying when they are talking at breakneck speeds. Actually on the contrary some of the smartest ppl talk slower and are methodical, and some of the best learners love to make sure they get every word in and digested properly. Not everyone is a chicken with its head cut off. Slow down a tad
This is by far the most comprehensive outlaw guide I've found. I'm trying to learn it and so many people speak so fast and over complicate it. I'm gonna try to apply what I've learned here. Thank you!
Im so thankful for your guide. This helped me so much and increased my dps overall with over 150k dps. Big thanks to you and keep up with your amazing guides.
First time playing Outlaw rogue, this guide was perfect bro. I appreciate it, keep going. I prefer stuff from people like you than the big guides. Real shit.
Brand new to outlaw rogue haven’t played the spec since it was called combat and this has been the most helpful video I’ve seen by far. For some reason I didn’t understand the upper hand talent until you read it aloud lol.
Thank you very much for the video. As a fellow just coming back to wow, having this info is really helpful. Now all I have to do is figure out which spec to play.
Outlaw isn't too bad as long as you follow his rotation and AVOID 3 things 1. Getting Greedy with Between the Eyes. Putting BTE on Cool down when you have Vanish or ShadowDance off CD or about to be is a huge DPS loss. 2. Saving cooldowns, with the amount of CDR you get and the way Outlaw plays you have to always be rolling your Cheapshot windows when they're available. Which is another reason why rule 1 is so important. Outlaws DPS is fluid the more consistent you can be the better you'll do. 3. Going into Vanish or ShadowDance without refreshing Blade Flurry, checking Roll the Bones or without full combo points. You have 6 seconds of stealth to use Between the Eyes, 6 Globals. Ideally you want at least 4 casts of BTE with Ace up the Sleeve procs, in each 5 is great, and 6 is risky (rule 1) but can be done after every other Vanish fairly risky free due to where CDs end up. You absolutely don't want to be wasting Globals on refreshing or building resources, unless you absolutely have to.
very well explained and a nice voice. iam from classic wow and for me its difficult to understand how to play efficient because of the amount of new skills.
Nice video. I did try this for myself and I think that is better to vanish or dance at full combo points into bte. I even used macros for vanish-bte and dance-bte. They work nicely and helps fitting in more bte in those windoes in case of procs.
I don't have the talents yet, but I think I understand now why I'm being told to stealth and vanish in combat, yet not use any of the abilities that require stealth. However, I couldn't quite keep up with the rotation and how it works. I'll probably have to get an add-on that flashes recommended spells at appropriate times and makes it easier to see the timers.
Wanted to learn outlaw, holy cow, you made this so easy man! Thank you. Now, do we press shadow dance whenever it’s available? And when we do we treat it as if we vanished correct?
Hi glad it helped! You want to use vanish first always and dance after, if vanish is about to be up id wait otherwise send it. Yes it’s treated as if you vanished
Hey man, thank you for your guide. Love the pace you explain things and not bomb the listener with too much information at once, makes it easy to follow. I wanted to start playing Outlaw, but wanted to ask what Weakaura or addon you use to show, if you should roll the bones or if the buffs are fine?
Since the re work the most BtE I got on my opener with vanish and shadow was about 10-12… huge dps gains! BtE before felt almost kind of useless now it feels like a real finisher
So Crackshot is a Talent that allows BTE have a chance to Reset the Cooldown during subterfuge window AND cast dispatch. So when Im spamming BTE getting lucky procs its also casting dispatch by itself. Does that make sense its kinda confusing
I do not I just put these videos up to help the population :) maybe eventually if I get a big enough following I will make a discord where I can help players
So if i understood it correctly we basically got 3 Rotations to learn: a) Opener (as shown in the Video) b) Any Stealth Window - > Ambush/Pistol Shot into Between the Eyes Spam c) Out of Stealth -> Sinister Strike/Ambush/Pistol Shot into Dispatch Spam and Applying/Maintaining Buffs So we never want to activate/refresh any of our Buffs like Blade Flurry or Adrenaline Rush in a stealth window?
Exactly inside stealth windows you are spamming generators and using BTE and off GCD cooldowns. Out of stealth you explained it perfectly try to use sinister strike AS LITTLE as possible though.
What is the Roll the Bones addon that gives the roll rating or says to reroll? If you have a list of addons/weakauras available, would be much appreciated
Nice guide, few improvements I saw: u don't want to vanish on low combo points so first global should be BtE which can proc ace and u start spammin BtE, also u can finish on 5 CP in crackshot windows with BtE.
Thank you! It is on wago.io just type in the search bar RTB or Roll the bones and all of them should pop up Im not certain which one I had, but its definitely one of the first ones.
I've figured it out quite a bit, Just having a problem finding a weak aura for roll the bones man. I found one that was decent but it does extra shit I dont want like tells me when to slice and dice or blade flurry (both of which are telling me the WRONG TIMES to be popping them). I'm not some crazy lua guru that can whip up my own, If I made my own weak aura for just roll the bones id legit have to make like 20 different weak auras in a group specifically for it
Good Video only one thing i want to mention crit>vers>haste mastery isnt the thing to go for everytime its just for starting. sure you need more crit before you wanna get your vers but with best gear you go for way more vers than crit.
Hi, I loved the guide! I have a question though - I've noticed you get two arches around your character whenever u get a Hidden Opportunity proc, kinda similar to Fan the Hammer procs. Is that some addon or custom option? Cause I do get the visual indication for FtH procs, but not HO procs.
Maybe a dumb question but i have the problem withe Adrenaline Rush, when i do the opener adrenaline Rush gets me out of stealth so i cant Ambush is it cause iam not close enough to the target ?
Really great content!! Been following you for a while. I know it is not meta, but can you please do a Sub Rogue guide? I really like the playstyle, and i don't want to change bc of meta, but rn it's really hard to find a rotation guide since everyone is focused on sin/outlaw... Thanks!
Thank you very much for the explanation it's very straightforward. I would like to ask if you can link your WeakAuras and those Roll The Bones indications?
@@szaszszabolcs6906hello the outlaw roll the bones and audacity procs are not my weakauras so you can find them if just searching “roll the bones” and “audacity”
i done this rotation many times and it seems its either my gear or im doing rotation wrong. my friends are screaming in my ear and stressing me out because they think im not using between the eyes, yet i have only used BTE in stealth/SD/Vanish, and there are times i accidently use it out of stealth but i get the CD done by spending combo points. could it just be the S2 set i need to actually do dps? i am somehow doing 50-60k dps without a full 4piece but i saw a rogue in a group i was in, they have the S2 4piece and doing the same dps you are doing in the video..
hello. Whats weird is Shadowdance is not triggering subterfuge. i believe it is supposed to right? normal stealth and Vanish are triggering it. @@Genmurasaki
Is there any chance you could do this with sub? I can’t even play the game honestly lol. I’m a returning player and just had a free boost and I’m honestly overwhelmed lol Mainly rotation stuff
Hello. My BTE has no cooldown only when im opening from stealth, neither Vanish nor Shadow Dance replicate this. I thought that the Crackshot Talent was supposed to allow BTE to have no cooldown?
so vanish and ShadowDance dont reset BTE, they just create subterfuge which when ITS ON will keep BTE from resetting. This is different but took me a bit to understand and actually had to read on the WOW forum to understand the difference.
So you have to be careful to not cast BTE that one last time because if it’s on cooldown then you HAVE to wait and during this time you are having to cast Sin strike way too much.
Quick question bro, is there ever a time you're using Sinister striker? Seems like this rotation is simply 3-4 buttons but hardly ever see sinister strike being used.
Nice video. If you play loaded dice talent, for the opener you should swap Adrenaline rush and roll the bones in order to have 2 buffs instead of 1. With the 4P tier-set ideally you always roll the bones with loaded dice aura to have 3 full time buffs.
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Your stance comment was a real “ah ha” moment for me. That’s what makes things click for me. Still learning it, but really made me understand it a bit more
Finally a dude who doesn't talk 345mph while explaining.
Holy crap I’m not alone. I have to watch most of these on .75 speed.
yall are some of the slower learners aye
@TheRobochicken5494 slower learning has nothing to do with processing what ppl are saying when they are talking at breakneck speeds. Actually on the contrary some of the smartest ppl talk slower and are methodical, and some of the best learners love to make sure they get every word in and digested properly. Not everyone is a chicken with its head cut off. Slow down a tad
Bahahahaha
This is by far the most comprehensive outlaw guide I've found. I'm trying to learn it and so many people speak so fast and over complicate it. I'm gonna try to apply what I've learned here. Thank you!
THIS is how you make a Rotation Guide, thank you
How are your videos always consistently the best and easiest to understand by far compared to all other guides. Natural teacher this guy
100% and he made it 11min while the rest make them 30 min and you dont understand a thing
Im so thankful for your guide. This helped me so much and increased my dps overall with over 150k dps. Big thanks to you and keep up with your amazing guides.
Best Outlaw guide I've ever seen. Thank you so much.
very well put together, thank you! returning from a 2 month break was able to put everything i learned in the vid into action fast.
Without a doubt best explaination / guide for this
Still relevant now, took my static 90k dps to 140k bro i love you
First time playing Outlaw rogue, this guide was perfect bro. I appreciate it, keep going. I prefer stuff from people like you than the big guides. Real shit.
Brand new to outlaw rogue haven’t played the spec since it was called combat and this has been the most helpful video I’ve seen by far. For some reason I didn’t understand the upper hand talent until you read it aloud lol.
Good job of simplifying for those of us who do not main rogue! Thanks. :)
Thank you very much for the video. As a fellow just coming back to wow, having this info is really helpful. Now all I have to do is figure out which spec to play.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh man! this is without a doub THEEEEEEEEEEE best guide for OL rogue ever! Thank you sir for your help!
This makes so much more sense than any other guide I've watched. Subbed man, thank you.
Outlaw isn't too bad as long as you follow his rotation and AVOID 3 things 1. Getting Greedy with Between the Eyes. Putting BTE on Cool down when you have Vanish or ShadowDance off CD or about to be is a huge DPS loss.
2. Saving cooldowns, with the amount of CDR you get and the way Outlaw plays you have to always be rolling your Cheapshot windows when they're available. Which is another reason why rule 1 is so important. Outlaws DPS is fluid the more consistent you can be the better you'll do.
3. Going into Vanish or ShadowDance without refreshing Blade Flurry, checking Roll the Bones or without full combo points. You have 6 seconds of stealth to use Between the Eyes, 6 Globals. Ideally you want at least 4 casts of BTE with Ace up the Sleeve procs, in each 5 is great, and 6 is risky (rule 1) but can be done after every other Vanish fairly risky free due to where CDs end up. You absolutely don't want to be wasting Globals on refreshing or building resources, unless you absolutely have to.
Fantastic video mate gives a proper understanding of the windows to use things will def be making a rogue to practice now
Thank you so much for this! Im a super green player and learning rogue for pvp and this helps me alot!
Great guide! Straight to the point and explained very well
very well explained and a nice voice. iam from classic wow and for me its difficult to understand how to play efficient because of the amount of new skills.
hoping you will make a video like this for the war within soon. You really helped me in DF
Nice video. I did try this for myself and I think that is better to vanish or dance at full combo points into bte. I even used macros for vanish-bte and dance-bte. They work nicely and helps fitting in more bte in those windoes in case of procs.
I don't have the talents yet, but I think I understand now why I'm being told to stealth and vanish in combat, yet not use any of the abilities that require stealth. However, I couldn't quite keep up with the rotation and how it works. I'll probably have to get an add-on that flashes recommended spells at appropriate times and makes it easier to see the timers.
Wanted to learn outlaw, holy cow, you made this so easy man! Thank you. Now, do we press shadow dance whenever it’s available? And when we do we treat it as if we vanished correct?
Hi glad it helped! You want to use vanish first always and dance after, if vanish is about to be up id wait otherwise send it. Yes it’s treated as if you vanished
Hey man, thank you for your guide. Love the pace you explain things and not bomb the listener with too much information at once, makes it easy to follow. I wanted to start playing Outlaw, but wanted to ask what Weakaura or addon you use to show, if you should roll the bones or if the buffs are fine?
Hi so sorry for the late reply I’m glad you liked the video I have my weak auras in a separate video you can find rtb tts let by searching on wagio
Real pogger guides. Easy to understand and follow. Found my love to rouge thanks to you
I just love your videos, thanks for helping me to improve at the game
Since the re work the most BtE I got on my opener with vanish and shadow was about 10-12… huge dps gains! BtE before felt almost kind of useless now it feels like a real finisher
yea its wild man and super fun
Hey! Thanks for the Guide!
Let me know pls, why is it Dispatch between BTEs in crackshot windows and how do you do that? Thx!
So Crackshot is a Talent that allows BTE have a chance to Reset the Cooldown during subterfuge window AND cast dispatch. So when Im spamming BTE getting lucky procs its also casting dispatch by itself. Does that make sense its kinda confusing
Finally someone that don't talk my ears off and makes my head spin. Great video my friend. Do you have a community discord by any chans?
I do not I just put these videos up to help the population :) maybe eventually if I get a big enough following I will make a discord where I can help players
hello friend very nice video, needed that ! is there any weakaura you use to not fail your cracked show window and get your between the eyes in cd
theres one that show a bar and makes a noise if you look at WA website search subterfuge or crackshot you should be able to find it i think.
very nicely explained, thank you very much!
So if i understood it correctly we basically got 3 Rotations to learn:
a) Opener (as shown in the Video)
b) Any Stealth Window - > Ambush/Pistol Shot into Between the Eyes Spam
c) Out of Stealth -> Sinister Strike/Ambush/Pistol Shot into Dispatch Spam and Applying/Maintaining Buffs
So we never want to activate/refresh any of our Buffs like Blade Flurry or Adrenaline Rush in a stealth window?
Yeah, from what I got, the stealth window should only be uses for BtE spamm and you should enter the stealth window with your buffs up
Exactly inside stealth windows you are spamming generators and using BTE and off GCD cooldowns. Out of stealth you explained it perfectly try to use sinister strike AS LITTLE as possible though.
What is the Roll the Bones addon that gives the roll rating or says to reroll? If you have a list of addons/weakauras available, would be much appreciated
Nice guide, few improvements I saw: u don't want to vanish on low combo points so first global should be BtE which can proc ace and u start spammin BtE, also u can finish on 5 CP in crackshot windows with BtE.
thanks, was wondering how many CP you should use on bte for crack shot windows
Depends if you have procs or not if you have no procs you just want to send the vanish, if you do have procs yea start with full CP if possible
whats the weakaura profile for rogue are you using?
Nicely done bro 👏🏻
Can u tell me what weak auras that shows you roll the bones alert pls thank you
Thank you! It is on wago.io just type in the search bar RTB or Roll the bones and all of them should pop up Im not certain which one I had, but its definitely one of the first ones.
@@Genmurasaki thanks alot
What addons u use?
Where are the cago for those?
do you maybe have an import string for your weakaura setup?
This is my question as well
Thank you for this guide! 👍🙌
Hey thanks for the vid it helped a lot, can you please link your weak aura ?
Perfect guide, speak slow and explain why u are pressing the skills. Can u say what this addon, i love this interface.
Thank you! I have been having issues trying to do single target! Aoe i was pulling 100k+ then the moment i was trying to do ST dropped to 60k 😅
Hello Would it please be possible to share your weak aura?
Where can i find that energy bar and buff tracker?? Very clean!
Great video, what addon are you using to show the combo points and cool downs of vanish etc?
Your explanations are great! Can we expect a Sub guide? I'm struggling a bit with the rotation and cd management...
i know this video is a little old but how does your sinister strike turn into ambush? great video by the way!
For outlaw yea it does and thanks!
I've figured it out quite a bit, Just having a problem finding a weak aura for roll the bones man. I found one that was decent but it does extra shit I dont want like tells me when to slice and dice or blade flurry (both of which are telling me the WRONG TIMES to be popping them). I'm not some crazy lua guru that can whip up my own, If I made my own weak aura for just roll the bones id legit have to make like 20 different weak auras in a group specifically for it
Good Video only one thing i want to mention crit>vers>haste mastery isnt the thing to go for everytime its just for starting. sure you need more crit before you wanna get your vers but with best gear you go for way more vers than crit.
11 Min guides are crazy
cant wait to saw m+ guid video
Hi, thx for the guid:)
Could I tell pls where can I take wa for rtb? Thx
Hi, I loved the guide! I have a question though - I've noticed you get two arches around your character whenever u get a Hidden Opportunity proc, kinda similar to Fan the Hammer procs. Is that some addon or custom option? Cause I do get the visual indication for FtH procs, but not HO procs.
Maybe a dumb question but i have the problem withe Adrenaline Rush, when i do the opener adrenaline Rush gets me out of stealth so i cant Ambush is it cause iam not close enough to the target ?
Im not sure. Adrenaline rush shouldnt pull you out of stealth at all its usable in stealth.
Really great content!! Been following you for a while.
I know it is not meta, but can you please do a Sub Rogue guide? I really like the playstyle, and i don't want to change bc of meta, but rn it's really hard to find a rotation guide since everyone is focused on sin/outlaw...
Thanks!
i will definitely find some time during prog to make a subtlety guide
Very nice video. how did you add the "stealth" bar?
Thank you!
I use an add on called Bartender. I don’t use stealth bars personally I make every bar the exact same with/without stealth
@@Genmurasaki Above the CP you have a blue bar which shows the time you need to use BtE rotation.
@@marioskomodromos2680 it’s a subterfuge timer alweakaura from Zac
@@Genmurasaki Thank you!
could you please attach the import text for the talents ! thank you Great video brand new into rogue class
How is your sinister strike changing to ambush on the bar? I have been trying to figure this out for days lol
it automatically does it if youre using hidden opportunity talent
what is the addon that side winds the moves you have used??
Aren’t you supposed to rush then roll the bones because of loaded dice ?
HEy great video mate. But what is the Addon you said you used? Difficult for me to catch name / spelling
What's that Blue bar weakaura that shows when stealth benefits end?
Thank you very much for the explanation it's very straightforward. I would like to ask if you can link your WeakAuras and those Roll The Bones indications?
Nevermind, I just found your rogue UI guide. :)
@@szaszszabolcs6906hello the outlaw roll the bones and audacity procs are not my weakauras so you can find them if just searching “roll the bones” and “audacity”
Returning player here, do you have the mods you’re using please? I’ve the usual UI one but not the set up and especially the scrolling abilities
i done this rotation many times and it seems its either my gear or im doing rotation wrong. my friends are screaming in my ear and stressing me out because they think im not using between the eyes, yet i have only used BTE in stealth/SD/Vanish, and there are times i accidently use it out of stealth but i get the CD done by spending combo points. could it just be the S2 set i need to actually do dps? i am somehow doing 50-60k dps without a full 4piece but i saw a rogue in a group i was in, they have the S2 4piece and doing the same dps you are doing in the video..
Hey 👋. Any recommend Macros that we should use? Thanks
Good vid, made me wanna play rouge again
Can we do sub next? Your first sub rotation videos helped a lot! Thanks a lot!
hey bro which addons do u use. i like ur UI
Where do u get the weakaura? do you have a link?
I want your buff tracker. Link in description please. Upvote if you agree!
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Hello, great video, I would like to ask how do you keep track of Subterfuge so you won't use BTE and cooldown it?
I use a weakaura made by a guy named Zac if you type subterfuge in wagio website I’m sure you’ll find it
hello. Whats weird is Shadowdance is not triggering subterfuge. i believe it is supposed to right? normal stealth and Vanish are triggering it. @@Genmurasaki
@@ryanmvdl34 shadow dance gives stealth think of shadow dance as subterfuge. But it does trigger subterfuge after it ends
but shadowdance DOES let me cast BTE without resetting the cooldown, it doesn't doesn't trigger subterfuge icon, or trigger my weakaura.
@@ryanmvdl34 yes exactly. Shadow dance is just like being in stealth, you can cast any ability that requires it while also letting BTE reset
Shouldn’t you use adrenaline rush before roll the bones in the opener since AR gives you a guaranteed 2 buff RTB?
If you don’t have four set yea you can but if you have four set no. If you do RTB then ADR you have three buffs perma pretty much afterwards
Hey Genesis, do you have a link to your UI
I have a video with the links 👍🏼
The wa is sick to track everythint its by far one of the cleanest ones ive seen, but i cant tell how you see if you get a pistol shot proc
Also where can I yoink it?
Top middle of my screen that little blast is pistol shot proc I will give a WA list soon
Do you have updated weakauras for tracking your buffs?
This is what im looking for perfect combo guide ! Which add ons or weak auras you using for rogue ? ^^
i have my own weak aura pack but the roll the bones and audacity procs you can find on wagio
Which weapon were you using here? It looks pretty
WOD Challenge mode weapons
Thank you! @@Genmurasaki
Oh @@Genmurasaki and one more question: when your Ambush/Audacity procs something on the sides ( ) appear on your character, what WA is that?
@@GBL97 it’s a WA called audacity you can find it on wagio
thanks g really helped :)
Taurens has some nice attack animations
Whats the name of the rotation addon your using?
Does this pretty much still apply to season 4?
I got a question do we always use and keep blade flurry on pure ST?
Correct it makes Alice and dices duration not go down aswell as helps with grand melee RTB buff when you get it
You do vod reviews man? I swear im doin the same thing and my dps is barely above the tank.
great video dude thank you
Is assasination a bit slower and more forgiving than outlaw?
I LOVE YOU IM FIRST PLAYER WOW VERY BIUTIFUL VIDEO
Great guide I have a question though, is the rotation the same for aoe?
Yes literally the same difference will be you use blade flurry off CD If you have Deft maneuvers.
absolute excellent video!
Is there any chance you could do this with sub? I can’t even play the game honestly lol. I’m a returning player and just had a free boost and I’m honestly overwhelmed lol
Mainly rotation stuff
Dude I feel you. I will eventually get to sub. Sub definitely changed the most out of all specs
@@Genmurasaki hahah yeah for sure, haha - when you have the time would be so appreciated!
i would love to have your UI and weakauras
ty man for the vid i wish if there was a writin veriosn of what u doing ):
Hello. My BTE has no cooldown only when im opening from stealth, neither Vanish nor Shadow Dance replicate this. I thought that the Crackshot Talent was supposed to allow BTE to have no cooldown?
so vanish and ShadowDance dont reset BTE, they just create subterfuge which when ITS ON will keep BTE from resetting. This is different but took me a bit to understand and actually had to read on the WOW forum to understand the difference.
@@ryanmvdl34 Correct thats why we dont really press BTE outside of Opener/vanish/Dance
Ok ty VM
So you have to be careful to not cast BTE that one last time because if it’s on cooldown then you HAVE to wait and during this time you are having to cast Sin strike way too much.
Does this mean we should use vanish before subterfuge ends and then shadow dance before subterfuge ends again?
VERY GOOD BRO
Does anyone know how to set up weak auras like his? Hate all these addons its like learning another game
you sometimes press pistol shot during crackshot windows. Is there prio about that ?
Pretty much when you have Low energy otherwise you’re using ambush. Pistol shot doesn’t cost any it allows for regen that’s why I do it.
thank you
@@Genmurasaki
Quick question bro, is there ever a time you're using Sinister striker? Seems like this rotation is simply 3-4 buttons but hardly ever see sinister strike being used.
You want to use sinister strike as little as possible it costs a lot of energy and that’s how you will eventually go oom if you get ba dprocs
Nice video. If you play loaded dice talent, for the opener you should swap Adrenaline rush and roll the bones in order to have 2 buffs instead of 1.
With the 4P tier-set ideally you always roll the bones with loaded dice aura to have 3 full time buffs.
Its the opposite! We want to roll the bones then ADR because your next roll the bones onwards will always have 3 buff.