AWESOME Ladder Safety System with lots of great toys. I wish I had that ladder stabilizer. But it is all a bit beyond what a DIY Homeowner can assemble. AND DARN ... I was hoping the guy would demonstrate a fall with his system.
The reason nobody demonstrates a fall is because even a planned fall hurts like a son of a bitch,i was anchored to a ballast cart while replacing skylights while wearing a harness with a lanyard,the mechanical contractor whos contract was to cover & secure all new roof curbs with dual sheets of 1" plywood with metal caps got cheap and used just metal caps and no wood,i tripped & went right through a 5x6 curb ,after the lanyard broke open to slow my fall i sat upright for 25 minutes while my apprentice rigged up our buck hoist to pull me straight up through the roof curb,all said & done my back ended up with 5 herniated discs & my legs were bruised & sore as hell .
@scaryjam lol, love the 'you will hardly ever fall' ...how many times do you have to fall before you get it? I wish you luck the next time you fall and a fall restraint could have saved you. BTW my second favorite quote is " The last thing I want is some damn ropes for me to trip on while I'm that high. Even if they would catch me."...hope your family's company has a lot of insurance.
This kit is really good as I use it myself on some installs where I would feel uncomfortable on a roof in poor weather conditions.as with anything common sense should be used as I would probably not use a harness and rope on a bungalow,I always go on my gut feeling if I feel uncomfortable then I use the kit
Nice video. I always try to get a line onto a roof crawler and usually throw one all the way down to the ground on the other side if I can. One question. 7.08 Would it be better not to drape the roof ladder safety line over the top of the access ladder? If he fell at this point the load on the rope would lift the ridge hook
You are 100% correct. I've been roofing for 4 years, my dad for 25 years, my cousin for 30. None of us have ever used harnesses or any of that ridiculous stuff. Yes if you fall it might help you. But if you are careful and pay attention on the roof, you will hardly ever fall. We regularly work on steep roofs (12\12) and work two stories or more off the ground. The last thing I want is some damn ropes for me to trip on while I'm that high. Even if they would catch me.
Read your ridiculous comment " hardly ever fall".... Hardly ever means someone did ..... Yup guys have been doing roofs for years but it's not macho to put yours and someone else's life at risk..... And ask yourself , do you wanna go home and read a goodnight story to your daughter , or would you rather not be here and let someone else give your daughter a little brother cos your missus was left alone cos someone didn't get rigged up ??
The wheels could damage slates. It would be better to spread the weight.I use ladder stand off's that have pads that contact the roof slate. It becomes an issue as one when going from the ground ladder on to the roof ladder.
I to have see my number of people fall off roofs or ladders in my 15 yrs of working and most or all of them could have been prevented by the right training . I'm going up against a ex employer right now for having myself and another guy up ladders 40 feet and no fall protection and the other guy had a stroke up on the ladder . so not good to work unsafe may take time to work safe but you only have one life to loose!
Don't do the fuka !! ....if you're not going to do it safely ask yourself .....did I say love you , see you later , what's for dinner tonight darling , I'll be back home sweetie to read you a night night story, .....remember do you wanna hear daughter say love you daddy tonight ??.....
what part of the door did the instructor use to secure the middle ladder-hinge? And what was the component on the strap, a clamp? Lastly, why would the instructor put the ladder at the door which opens outward towards the ladder?
Hi Peter, The ladder is secured to an eyebolt in the wall with a ratchet strap.The house is a training structure built inside a warehouse. It would not be opened from the inside.
Interesting. Ladder rungs, however, should never to use to support a ladder or in this case a vertical lifeline. Need to put more thought into this system.
The system has been tested, independently, with 136kg test dummies and is accepted by HSE. More than 60,000 systems in use for more than 15 years and no failures. The key is controlling fall distance and therefore loads. Some rope grab / running line systems take longer to lock off than others, generating higher loads. We see around 3kN with a 136kg test mass with this system.
Title is "ladder restraint system" but it seems at every point the user could take a fall. What are the predicted loads on the top anchor? (ladder rung) I've tested an aluminium ladder rung for the same purpose and it deformed between 2-3kN. This is a fall arrest system attached to an anchor that wouldn't support the required loads, not good!
+Ben Kempson Hi Ben, the generic name for this type of system (not coined by us, i should add), is a ladder restraint system. This is because the ladder is restrained, not because the fall protection method is restraint. the fall protection method is fall arrest. The loads that you will see, in the event of a fall, off to the side, with a 136kg test mass is approx 3kN. This has been tested independently at SATRA, a Notified Body. The test reports are available on request. Did you test the uppermost ladder rung? We don't connect to the uppermost rung as we have, through testing, established that the uppermost rung will fail at a lower loading than rungs that are braced either side by adjacent rungs. We also use a manchroche connector, which dissipates some of the energy generated by a person falling. 80,000+ systems, in service since 1999 and never had any failures. For certain industries, aerial & satellite and cavity wall insulation, its use is mandatory in the UK. HSE have been heavily involved in the testing of the system for these industries. Try your testing again, but don't attach anything to the top rung, pass the running line over the top and attach to the third rung down, and don;t use a forged metal scaffold connector.
Interesting hows he's already at the height Eg "roof height". How did he get his ladder up their and I've never seen a roof that's got a balustrade to clip on to or to secure your ladder to. I'd like to see him start off from ground level.
He walked up the staircase. This is a training center and that part of the video demonstrates the system being used to gain access to a lower area, such as a water company entering a dry well
I wouldn't criticize someone who wanted to do all this for their own safety, but personally, I wouldn't get any work done if I pissed about like this every time I went up a ladder.
I am all in support of working safely, but there are times when it's just not necessary to abide by the rules 100% of the time........walked right into an overhead obstruction yesterday due to the blind spot created using a hard hat.....over 20 years and only thing to hit me was a brick 2 stories above and it hit my back,not my hardhat.........yes safety is good to a point, excessive focus on safety can cause injury as well. OSHA doesn't care about the injured person, its a money generating regime of job site nazis. This is so off the hook not realistic for everyday, same way the corp of engineers engage in "safety"....safety harnesses in level driven aerial platforms is nonsense and leads to more of trip hazards than anything you can save yourself from....these excessive safety procedures are a result of folks being made to do things to cover for those that just don't have basic skill sets or balance. Driving is more dangerous than working without any safety gear...commercial work is just getting ridiculous with all the mandates anymore.
Some people earn more as they can demonstrate that they work safely, winning more work with larger companies who have to engage competent contractors who provide risk assessments and method statements
I've been a painter for just on 50 years and I have never seen such poor ladder handling! That opening shot when he put it over the railing and lowered it to the ground.....you see him shuffle as he almost lost it in the video! I wouldn't be standing around anywhere near where this guy is "Safely" handling ladders and climbing them!
AWESOME Ladder Safety System with lots of great toys. I wish I had that ladder stabilizer. But it is all a bit beyond what a DIY Homeowner can assemble. AND DARN ... I was hoping the guy would demonstrate a fall with his system.
The reason nobody demonstrates a fall is because even a planned fall hurts like a son of a bitch,i was anchored to a ballast cart while replacing skylights while wearing a harness with a lanyard,the mechanical contractor whos contract was to cover & secure all new roof curbs with dual sheets of 1" plywood with metal caps got cheap and used just metal caps and no wood,i tripped & went right through a 5x6 curb ,after the lanyard broke open to slow my fall i sat upright for 25 minutes while my apprentice rigged up our buck hoist to pull me straight up through the roof curb,all said & done my back ended up with 5 herniated discs & my legs were bruised & sore as hell .
I like the idea of using ratchet straps to secure the ladder. better and more reliable than rope and knots.
Ratchet straps are great if you have someplace to bolt in an anchor point.
Yeah the top of my house doesn’t have a nice solid steel handrail, so if I swing off to the side, the bloody ladder’s coming with me.
@scaryjam lol, love the 'you will hardly ever fall' ...how many times do you have to fall before you get it? I wish you luck the next time you fall and a fall restraint could have saved you. BTW my second favorite quote is " The last thing I want is some damn ropes for me to trip on while I'm that high. Even if they would catch me."...hope your family's company has a lot of insurance.
This kit is really good as I use it myself on some installs where I would feel uncomfortable on a roof in poor weather conditions.as with anything common sense should be used as I would probably not use a harness and rope on a bungalow,I always go on my gut feeling if I feel uncomfortable then I use the kit
Nice video. I always try to get a line onto a roof crawler and usually throw one all the way down to the ground on the other side if I can.
One question.
7.08
Would it be better not to drape the roof ladder safety line over the top of the access ladder? If he fell at this point the load on the rope would lift the ridge hook
the ridge hook would not lift coz the 2 ladders were ratchet strapped and the main ladder was secured to the house at ground level.
Good - just watching some US demonstrations and they don't seem to come near our routine requirements.
You are 100% correct. I've been roofing for 4 years, my dad for 25 years, my cousin for 30. None of us have ever used harnesses or any of that ridiculous stuff. Yes if you fall it might help you. But if you are careful and pay attention on the roof, you will hardly ever fall. We regularly work on steep roofs (12\12) and work two stories or more off the ground. The last thing I want is some damn ropes for me to trip on while I'm that high. Even if they would catch me.
Read your ridiculous comment " hardly ever fall".... Hardly ever means someone did ..... Yup guys have been doing roofs for years but it's not macho to put yours and someone else's life at risk..... And ask yourself , do you wanna go home and read a goodnight story to your daughter , or would you rather not be here and let someone else give your daughter a little brother cos your missus was left alone cos someone didn't get rigged up ??
Get it ??
The wheels could damage slates. It would be better to spread the weight.I use ladder stand off's that have pads that contact the roof slate. It becomes an issue as one when going from the ground ladder on to the roof ladder.
I to have see my number of people fall off roofs or ladders in my 15 yrs of working and most or all of them could have been prevented by the right training . I'm going up against a ex employer right now for having myself and another guy up ladders 40 feet and no fall protection and the other guy had a stroke up on the ladder . so not good to work unsafe may take time to work safe but you only have one life to loose!
And honestly it takes you only minutes to set up if you do it all the time.
The voice of experience! Not to be taken lightly! Great comment! Thanks!
2:04 Oscar nomination is in the mail.
Where can I buy attachment piece on the top of the ladder?
I don’t think it’s available if you live in the US. For some reason everything looks extremely lightweight unlike the heavy stuff you buy in the US.
If you don't have the time to do ALL of this then what do you do?
Don't do the fuka !! ....if you're not going to do it safely ask yourself .....did I say love you , see you later , what's for dinner tonight darling , I'll be back home sweetie to read you a night night story, .....remember do you wanna hear daughter say love you daddy tonight ??.....
what part of the door did the instructor use to secure the middle ladder-hinge? And what was the component on the strap, a clamp? Lastly, why would the instructor put the ladder at the door which opens outward towards the ladder?
Hi Peter, The ladder is secured to an eyebolt in the wall with a ratchet strap.The house is a training structure built inside a warehouse. It would not be opened from the inside.
and.....the 2 ladders were joined together with an "endless ratchet strap" which has been cut to a couple of feet in length
Why does everything look so lightweight? The ridge hook ladder seems to be 5lbs! Can’t find anything in the US that’s made so cheap and weightless.
What a palaver!
How did he climb there with no harnesses attached?
Interesting. Ladder rungs, however, should never to use to support a ladder or in this case a vertical lifeline. Need to put more thought into this system.
The system has been tested, independently, with 136kg test dummies and is accepted by HSE. More than 60,000 systems in use for more than 15 years and no failures. The key is controlling fall distance and therefore loads. Some rope grab / running line systems take longer to lock off than others, generating higher loads. We see around 3kN with a 136kg test mass with this system.
Why did you go there? I think you need to take tools, it changes a lot. How will the assistant get there?
Title is "ladder restraint system" but it seems at every point the user could take a fall. What are the predicted loads on the top anchor? (ladder rung) I've tested an aluminium ladder rung for the same purpose and it deformed between 2-3kN. This is a fall arrest system attached to an anchor that wouldn't support the required loads, not good!
+Ben Kempson
Hi Ben, the generic name for this type of system (not coined by us, i should add), is a ladder restraint system. This is because the ladder is restrained, not because the fall protection method is restraint. the fall protection method is fall arrest. The loads that you will see, in the event of a fall, off to the side, with a 136kg test mass is approx 3kN. This has been tested independently at SATRA, a Notified Body. The test reports are available on request. Did you test the uppermost ladder rung? We don't connect to the uppermost rung as we have, through testing, established that the uppermost rung will fail at a lower loading than rungs that are braced either side by adjacent rungs. We also use a manchroche connector, which dissipates some of the energy generated by a person falling. 80,000+ systems, in service since 1999 and never had any failures. For certain industries, aerial & satellite and cavity wall insulation, its use is mandatory in the UK. HSE have been heavily involved in the testing of the system for these industries.
Try your testing again, but don't attach anything to the top rung, pass the running line over the top and attach to the third rung down, and don;t use a forged metal scaffold connector.
Interesting hows he's already at the height Eg "roof height". How did he get his ladder up their and I've never seen a roof that's got a balustrade to clip on to or to secure your ladder to. I'd like to see him start off from ground level.
He walked up the staircase. This is a training center and that part of the video demonstrates the system being used to gain access to a lower area, such as a water company entering a dry well
''Excuse me miss can I just drill a hole into your house''
Way to much work in framing custom homes in scottsdale az I never knew what a harness was hahah
Damn! You sure he's not a combat paratrooper?? It's something they're not telling us here. I think he's secretly training to takeout Kim Jung Un.
i could have changed a tile on that roof and been in the pub , by the time he got his harness fitted !! lol
I wouldn't criticize someone who wanted to do all this for their own safety, but personally, I wouldn't get any work done if I pissed about like this every time I went up a ladder.
I am all in support of working safely, but there are times when it's just not necessary to abide by the rules 100% of the time........walked right into an overhead obstruction yesterday due to the blind spot created using a hard hat.....over 20 years and only thing to hit me was a brick 2 stories above and it hit my back,not my hardhat.........yes safety is good to a point, excessive focus on safety can cause injury as well. OSHA doesn't care about the injured person, its a money generating regime of job site nazis. This is so off the hook not realistic for everyday, same way the corp of engineers engage in "safety"....safety harnesses in level driven aerial platforms is nonsense and leads to more of trip hazards than anything you can save yourself from....these excessive safety procedures are a result of folks being made to do things to cover for those that just don't have basic skill sets or balance. Driving is more dangerous than working without any safety gear...commercial work is just getting ridiculous with all the mandates anymore.
You harness has experienced a fall. By rights you must tag as no good and buy new equipment!
I wouldn't earn a penny messing about like this. I am all for safety but really!
Some people earn more as they can demonstrate that they work safely, winning more work with larger companies who have to engage competent contractors who provide risk assessments and method statements
and on a price i will..... never win a job!
the best thing working up hight is haveing a piss of the roof lol
Ridiculous
Frustrated mountaineer. Just get on with it man !
Not practical at all.....
I've been a painter for just on 50 years and I have never seen such poor ladder handling! That opening shot when he put it over the railing and lowered it to the ground.....you see him shuffle as he almost lost it in the video! I wouldn't be standing around anywhere near where this guy is "Safely" handling ladders and climbing them!