It’s like a one way contract honestly which isn’t a contract at all. I know they account for this in the terms. But I think it’s unconscionable and a violation of contract law regardless
@@iemy2949 indeed. After insurance we have to look at education. It too denies service that's paid for via taxes. Uneven quality is fraudulent and can lead to fatality. Knowledge is power
Ceo had a wife and kids? Oh the humanity. All those who died prematurely from denied coverage also had lives and families, that 30% denial rate is someones fault. Just doing your job is no excuse and just because our legal framework find the practice legal does not make it ethical. Sure do your job finding the suspect, but treat this with the same weight as any other murder. Ceo certainly wasnt worth more to society than any of us.
I'm sick of hearing about how he had a family that is grieving him. You know who else has grieving families? All the people he is responsible for the deaths of due to denying coverage. You can't seriously expect me to give a shit about his family's suffering over countless other families, especially since they have the fortune of grieving with all the blood money he brought home.
I was baffled, initially, when I heard the first comment uttered by his wife after Thompson died: "He had a full life." I thought it was a very cold reaction; he was only 50. It made more sense today when I heard that they were divorced.
Our American hero. in one fell swoop, exposed: 1 Healthcare greed/murder 2. Media cluelessness/elitism and 3 incompetence of tax-payer funded FBI and cops, who were in Georgia, not Penn, and lied to the public. saying they had his name.
Public statements evoking sympathy might be aimed at lowering the risk of viral, coalescing outrage about our broken health insurance and health care systems. Not to mention the shameful growth of the wealth divide in our country. Even if you haven't lost a loved one to denied care. There are reasons popular culture elevates Robin Hood-like figures. Reasons why certain gangsters were famously admired in the 1930's during the "great depression," why current movie heroes are so often those who destroy corrupt, greedy, villains who'd achieved privilege by betraying, exploiting, and abusing others.
"he had a wife and family" and they are fine. They have so much money that they will forever be fine. The families of those who were denied coverage will not be.
That idiot probably won’t even get the reward money because he called 911 instead of Crime Watchers. There’s just something so disappointing about a low wage employee turning in someone who made a statement against the system that oppresses him.
Leave that person alone. They are not the problem. Medical insurance executives are the problem. Their puppet lawmakers taking dark money donations are the problem. Given the circumstances, either Luigi decided to be careless because he wanted to be caught, or Luigi is a completely different person. I suspect the latter.
I was just talking with a former coworker whose wife died of an aneurism next to him in a hotel bed while he was at a conference. Upon discovering her state, he called 911 and the paramedics pronounced her dead. United Healthcare refused to cover the paramedics. $2000. Honestly, the entire concept of for profit healthcare is an historical absurdity. The fact that we don't haven't abolished the entire practice is mindboggling.
So true n now the newly elected administration wants to repeal the affordable ACA health care for many including medicare social security when most who pays their health insurance still goes to Mexico Canada to obtain medical dental care n prescriptions n the lobbyists our own government politicians including this health care for profit does not have the conscience to help their own people in America!
Why don’t you ask “what happened” to the CEO that turned him into someone willing to sanction murder for profits? That the Investor meeting proceeded even though the attendees had to maneuver around a crime scene to get there tells you all you need to know about these “parasites”.
The more you read about Brian Thompson and how UHC changed under his leadership, the less you feel sorry for him. One example being how much claim denials rose under his leadership, despite the company already making record profits.
the day blue shield stopped being a non-profit was when the industry showed itself as parasitic and not able to be redeemed. Health coverage should be done on a state level like in almost every other developed country.
that['s the problem with unregulated Reagonomics..they all have the responsibility to reform and not take bribes from lobbyists and superpacs but they go for profit over people's lives. Our politicians are just as much at fault as anyone...our politicians are corrupt our countty is an Oligarchy..time we the people did something about it
Why don't we hear about the endless list of Americans, fathers, mothers, friends, lovers, providers, caretakers, etc. who've met an untimely demise to a treatable condition because of the leadership of people like this CEO?
@@stoneneilsThe few major news stations are all run by billionaires. Nothing progressive about them when they usually prefer to protect the status quo. They cover Trump because he brings in eyeballs, which equals profit, and also Trump says and does outrageous things to receive coverage, even Joe Rogan said it on his show.
Ya'll are missing the main point. He had back surgery that went bad and he couldn't get it fixed because Health Insurance denied it. Meanwhile he is in excruciating pain and can't function as he once did.How many of you have thought of killing yourself in such pain. If he does that NOTHING CHANGES for the better. At what point did we allow insurance profit centers into our bedrooms and sterile surgical rooms.
I really hurt for him. But I had heard that his family was extremely rich. Under those circumstances, I would think that they would pay for the medical care that their son needed and sue the insurance company later. I don't understand.
Sadly, Luigi cannot be free. He is suffering. I'm not happy to say this, but it was evident during his "premiere perp walk". One reason why this is so, I hear, is because he has severe back pain.
I'm outraged and crying over the moral decline exhibited by the disinterested shrugs of the hoi polloi. It's like my fellow Americans don't even realize the tragic loss of a fine gazzilionaire who led a hellish scam taking premiums for Health Care coverage and innocently handing the money over to investors and executives. What is the world coming to?
We don’t have to celebrate someone’s murder and death but this incident has shined a light on one of the most broken and harmful aspects of life in America--the medical health insurance company and a healthcare system, the the elected people in congress who are complicit in supporting this broken system that causes medical debt, refuses access to care/medication that can lead to death. It’s not just time to rant but to elicit CHANGE. We need a movement, we need to peacefully protest and hold people accountable for decisions that are hurting the American people, despite making huge profits for the chosen few. Medicare For All!
I'm reading a lot of negative comments about the CEO and the system. It seems there are a lot of families out there that have lost family members due to being denied coverage. Makes it easy to understand people's indifference. Maybe the system needs to take a look at itself. No one group of people should have the right to decide who lives and who dies due to the costs. I have a feeling that if it were any of these top people in United Health Care...they would certainly live.
“Is a human being” the way she talks about the CEO. We don’t talk about how this leader is in charge of denying patients care many of whom who have lost their lives. When we look at the killing of Osama bin Laden we don’t say he was a human being we say he’s a terrorist. Is there a comparison that can be drawn here? Denying people care and then denying the sanctity of life I don’t know but but I can say is that that CEO is a terrible person.
Listen, you’re free to critique our healthcare system & the existence of for-profit insurance. However, denials exist in every system, especially in socialized healthcare like in Canada & NHS (UK) & the portions of US medical care that are socialized (like the VA, Medicare, Medicaid). Do you think that those “cost savers” who deny coverage in public plans should also be mowed down in broad daylight? If you don’t understand the difference in Bin Laden vs someone working in a legal industry, idk how to help you.
@ you’re missing a key difference here one is profit driven and the other is compassionate. I would rather the government deny me care for an elective surgery as opposed to that same CEO who is making billions denying care. It also matters the intentions. The intentions of the CEO are to maximize the profit for the shareholders. I’m not saying violence is ok. What I’m saying is you cannot try to humanize the CEO who is actively out there pushing aside the lives of humans to benefit himself and his shareholders
@@scarletsletter4466 the deceased was a mass murderer, who found a way to do it legally, and monetised every death to build his personal fortune. Brian Robert Thompson joined UnitedHealthcare in 2004, and was promoted to CEO in 2021, when he introduced an AI system to automate health insurance claim denials: • In 2021, just *8.7%* of medical claims were successfully denied • In 2022, that rose to *22.7%* of medical claims successfully denied • In 2023, a new record of *32%* of medical claims successfully denied Under his leadership, UnitedHealthcare's profits increased from *$12 billion in 2021* to *$16 billion in 2023.* Brian Thompson and three of his colleagues at UnitedHealthcare were under investigation for alleged fraud and insider trading at the time of his death. Fortunes built and profits made by causing disability and death to the patients his company had made a commitment to serve.
no, the media cannot tell us anything about him to make us hate him, because it was nothing about him that make us hate the Health Insurance Industry and their abuses. This is not about who he is, but about what was done to him and to many others. I don't care what he studied or what his hobbies were, but that him and his mother suffered terribly and many others continue to do so at the hands of CEO's and shareholders greed.
If this were a dictator being assassinated, The New York Times would find the time to go through the list of human rights abuses that person committed. Somehow, we always find a way to avoid addressing the deeds when they’re justified by balancing profit on an Excel sheet. Instead, they’re portrayed as a father, community member, etc. The reporter finishing this news piece, openly speculating that we might change our opinion of Lugi, totally ignores the other man’s deeds or the amount of police force brought to bear for one CEO, and so on. Good lord, The New York Times is so goddamn condescending.
So this CEO is already responsible for ruining and probably ending a lot of people's lives, and had he lived on, the irredeemable damage he would have caused to others would have substantially increased. Now in an ideal world, I think we can all agree that these types of people would be thrown in jail. But given a world wherin these people's actions, no matter how disgraceful and immoral, suscitate no legal repercussions for there actions; if you had to pick, between them merrily living out the rest of their lives, and them getting clipped, which would you pick?
2 weeks ago you spoken with Bernie Sanders and said to him that there is a lot of americans who don’t want medicare for all, that they are content with privitased healthcare and will vote against medicare for all candidate. I have question: WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE AFTER THIS HAPPENED?
There should be a long list of people, a very long list.. a statement piece of photographs of lost loved ones on display in New York for example.. I bet it would wrap around Central Park. Let the media cover that and dare to say BT was a good person or that healthcare in this country isn't a great big fat pyramid scheme.
And, the problem with our healthcare system is possibly, the one topic that could serve as a unifying stimulus, finally, in bringing the American people together on a specific topic, when politics, gender, race, etc. have separated us like never before. This is an opportunity for growth, change and understanding. Can this help us to open dialogue between people again and see we have some values and needs that we share with others. We need to hold onto this opportunity like our lives depended on it--which of course it does
Thank you for covering a little bit of the medical insurance crimes of insurance companies, which is the root of all the real issues here. More coverage on medical insurance corruption would be helpful.
@danielleremp4328 change starts with acknowledging ITS ALL CORRUPT, They are all one big club, and we only have 2 parties to keep you malleable and compliant while fighting eachother- instead of the true common enemy. NO POLITICIAN IS GONNA SAVE YOU. They are on the same team, so why don't we even the playing field some, and DO THE SAME! B4 we can't anymore!! 10:49
@@jessegpresley Health care in the U.S. greatly, greatly involves politics -- especially with our PACs and lobbyists. Worse, Trump has made many promises to various industries in exchange for their big bucks.
Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work is a 2006 non-fiction book by industrial psychologist Paul Babiak and criminal psychologist Robert D. Hare. The book describes how a workplace psychopath can take power in a business using manipulation.
Will he get convicted? Will jury deliver anonymous verdict? Every single family is affected by insurance policies, high deductible, high premiums and no cares.
The shock is real when you go online and look this story up. I don't think I ever saw a single comment from a non-official person in support of the CEO except the injunction against murder from the 10 Commandments. The media has to cover this disconnect.
Maybe Congress will grow a pair and address the Insurance companies head on… I doubt it and this will be just one man’s arc towards revenge. And for the rest of us nothing changes in the healthcare industry😢. Except Healthcare Insurance CEOs now have better security…
I want details on Luigi's health situation, his condition/injury, his treatment and its success or failure, what treatment he was denied and the bills he was made personally responsible to pay. My best guess is chronic pain is a constant feature throughout.
@@mikespector2 That's true. Sadly, though, with chronic pain, there is sometimes no medical answer. You just suffer. He was so young to be so afflicted.
@@danielleremp4328 intractable pain is odd. there's a correlation, for example, between autism and fibromyalgia. makes you wonder if the pain even exists to begin with
Please do some basic research before talking about topics. Ted Kaczynski was a mathematics prodigy, he was younger ever assistant professor of mathematics at the University of California. Thus this part of Luigi's statement is not alleged or anything but statement of facts about Ted
@@TexasIsACountry "harming society" is not terrorism. scaring people is terrorism, and that's what both of these terrorists accomplished with their violent actions
A perfect example of "you reap what you sow!" One all CEOs need to learn from. And if you consider that a threat, remember I live with the fear of my self, my wife and my child having ANTHING happen to us everyday be it a medical emergency or losing my job and not being able to survive. They are now feeling the fear I have felt everyday for all my adult life.
All the people that his company killed were fathers ,mothers ,daughters and sons too. They all have people that miss them too. Social murder is still murder.
If you watch shows like Forensic Files, it's obvious that police work hard to solve murders of ordinary people. The murder of a prominent person by a stranger on the street is obviously newsworthy.
No. If the victim is an attractive white female and the assailant is believed to be a black male, then the media coverage and police involvement will be the same regardless of whether or not she is wealthy -- so economic status does not always matter.
Yet another softball coverage of this topic by the New York Times. I love the Times, and this coverage is so disappointing. How about an episode on how the New York Times covered this death compared to the death of a person who couldn't afford health care prescribed by their physician? How about you cover every single one of those?
A friend of mine mentioned this to me yesterday. He said, “oh good news! They caught the guy who shot that healthcare CEO.” I was surprised how strongly he seemed to feel about it and how he would assume I agreed with him. Honestly, I hadn’t been following the story.
@@duo315 again, 11 million is a nothing number. I don't know what industry you're in, but 11 million is beginner numbers. Not something for a legacy company like NYT, but here they are. Maybe if they didn't have less social impact than a teenage tiktok user they wouldn't be in this situation. And yet here they are, with their head in the sand and utterly clueless as usual.
I love how all these outlets try and minimize the public’s disdain for the health care system. “Some felt this way” “not everyone was celebrating” I have not seen one comment upset about Brian Thompson. Everyone is on the same page. Stop trying to spin the narrative.
It was about health care but not specifically Brian Thompson. Luigi was not a client of UnitedHealthcare, there was no connection to the CEO, it could have been anyone from that business meeting.
You say people are keyed up for negative emotions when interacting with healthcare. However, when a healthcare system functions properly, there is space for gratitude and empathy. People are charged up at United Healthcare because they have behaved immorally and unempathetically
This video has misinformation, the quote about his views on Ted Kaczynski is quoting other take he found online to be interesting, using this to try to assert that this is his view is defamation.
There is six months of evidence that culprit experienced a dramatic turn in mental health after his back injury. I have heard that, in November, his parents went so far as to list him as a missing person.
I haven't seen any evidence regarding Mangioni's back or mental health and neither have you. There is plenty of evidence that his lawyers have been hard at work.
@@willowsloughdx We’re not in court. We’re speculating on YT. That said, I based my speculation on 31 years of professional experience, combined with a deep dive into whatever I could learn about him prior to this act.
18:38 "Does this investigation reveal more about the suspect to make people like him less?" If that's your goal then write nice fluff pieces on Brian, show him helping people, beatify his memory. But it sounds like the reporter instead hopes that the killer turns out to be a horrible person.
I agree. I'm baffled as to how the McDonald's worker recognized Mangione. With the knowledge that Mangione had boarded a bus out of state and that there was a $50,000 reward, the worker possibly tasked himself with carefully examining all the passengers in buses that regularly made a stop at this location.
@@danielleremp4328 I don't think it strains credulity that a McDonald's worker in rural PA would see an Italian looking guy and profile him. What's wild is that he appears to have been entirely correct.
@@danielleremp4328 yes your right, I feel sad for him I know he committed an awful crime and no one should praise him for it, I can’t help thinking he had some much to offer the world brains and beauty, i hope his eventual sentence is lighter than usual I really do
This whole thing feels like one of those podcast with no context , like ai wrote the script without any knowledge of how late stage capitalism and for profit basic need are crippling people
By all reports, Thompson was well liked by his co-workers. this is vastly different from the view of those who had policies with UnitedHealthcare. So he naturally thought "My co-workers like me. Why worry." Hence no security as he walked to his meeting. But this company is NOTORIOUS for denying much needed care. So I would say that there isn't so much contempt as out right hatred for health insurance companies. And yes Brian Thompson was heading to a meeting. But that meeting was going to be a 'pat on the back' of gee. Look how much money we've made this year. Unspoken in those sorts of meetings is all the care that is denied which is how they made so much money.
I know it's convenient to blame insurers, but ultimately this is a government policy failure. Drugmakers charing insane amount. Doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and hospital administrators make wild amount of money compared to their western peers. For profit hospital systems overbilling up the wazoo. It's just crazy. The complexity of the systems involving formulary, drug tiers, charge masters, network designs, HSA, HRA, high deductible plan, it's one patch work slapped on top of another. It's insane. I work in the industry and it's disgusting what the system has degenerated into.
Something I've realized over time is that this podcast reflects such an institutionally Democratic outlook and also why that outlook lost the election. It's unable to reflect or understand anger as an emotion that drives people. Like this entire episode seems so surprised that so many people are cheering at the CEO's death, as though it weren't a self-evident fact to everyone that healthcare sucks in America and the CEO's are causing it.
Two wrongs doesn’t make a right. We all need to step up and start changing things the nonviolent way. Voting for people who will actually help. And not people like the corporate stooges we have elected to most positions of power in our country.
😂 it’s the same response every time… how does voting turn out? Black people didn’t get to vote their rights into existence, women didn’t get to vote for their right to vote, and we can’t vote for our right to healthcare. Regulations are written in blood. We need to force them to give it to us.
@ That is probably because you are looking for sweet vengeance. But vigilante justice is a dangerous road to totalitarianism and terrorism. If people wouldn’t elect millionaires, billionaires and some to be trillion-airs, this crap wouldn’t be happening.
What other industry has discretion to deny services you’ve paid for? It’s straight up fraud with fatal consequences.
It’s like a one way contract honestly which isn’t a contract at all. I know they account for this in the terms. But I think it’s unconscionable and a violation of contract law regardless
@@iemy2949 indeed. After insurance we have to look at education. It too denies service that's paid for via taxes. Uneven quality is fraudulent and can lead to fatality. Knowledge is power
Pyramid scheme
It's sadism.
@@doctorberkowitzjust imagine being in the room when they are making these decisions knowing people are going to suffer or die as a result.
Ceo had a wife and kids? Oh the humanity.
All those who died prematurely from denied coverage also had lives and families, that 30% denial rate is someones fault. Just doing your job is no excuse and just because our legal framework find the practice legal does not make it ethical. Sure do your job finding the suspect, but treat this with the same weight as any other murder. Ceo certainly wasnt worth more to society than any of us.
“Just following orders” was the excuse all the Nazis gave at Nuremberg. All but one were convicted
That is reprehensible
Wow, what a bold and original take!
(Not)
Wow, what a bold and original take!
(Not)
@@sinatra222 I know! It’s crazy how basically everyone is on the same page when we’re so divided about everything else
I'm sick of hearing about how he had a family that is grieving him. You know who else has grieving families? All the people he is responsible for the deaths of due to denying coverage. You can't seriously expect me to give a shit about his family's suffering over countless other families, especially since they have the fortune of grieving with all the blood money he brought home.
I was baffled, initially, when I heard the first comment uttered by his wife after Thompson died: "He had a full life." I thought it was a very cold reaction; he was only 50. It made more sense today when I heard that they were divorced.
@@danielleremp4328 separated so she saved herself a divorce
Our American hero. in one fell swoop, exposed: 1 Healthcare greed/murder 2. Media cluelessness/elitism and 3 incompetence of tax-payer funded FBI and cops, who were in Georgia, not Penn, and lied to the public. saying they had his name.
Public statements evoking sympathy might be aimed at lowering the risk of viral, coalescing outrage about our broken health insurance and health care systems. Not to mention the shameful growth of the wealth divide in our country.
Even if you haven't lost a loved one to denied care. There are reasons popular culture elevates Robin Hood-like figures. Reasons why certain gangsters were famously admired in the 1930's during the "great depression," why current movie heroes are so often those who destroy corrupt, greedy, villains who'd achieved privilege by betraying, exploiting, and abusing others.
You forgot to add mass murderer to that list of accomplishments for Brian Thompson.
Therefore, Luigi acted in self defense and protected all of us from the enemy within and deserves a Purple Heart for his service.
"he had a wife and family" and they are fine. They have so much money that they will forever be fine. The families of those who were denied coverage will not be.
Yet 2 negatives equal a positive
oh really
Stalin had a wife and kids.
Can we address the rat problem McDonald’s has?
That idiot probably won’t even get the reward money because he called 911 instead of Crime Watchers. There’s just something so disappointing about a low wage employee turning in someone who made a statement against the system that oppresses him.
50k reward...c'mon.
Leave that person alone. They are not the problem.
Medical insurance executives are the problem. Their puppet lawmakers taking dark money donations are the problem.
Given the circumstances, either Luigi decided to be careless because he wanted to be caught, or Luigi is a completely different person. I suspect the latter.
@ You aren’t being serious? You’re siding with the rat??? You have some elitist friends? Class loyalty. You weren’t raised right.
@naomieleyles You aren’t being serious? You’re siding with the rat??? You have some elitist friends? Class loyalty. You weren’t raised right.
Story has more coverage than my insurance.
Maybe Trump should pardon him and RFK jr could hire him.
The Trump admin will do literally nothing about our F***ed up healthcare system.
Yes please.
There is some solace in thinking that all these CEOs are fearing for their lives..
Possibly "the shot heard 'round all boardrooms."
That solace goes away as they name his successor
I heard that, immediately after Thompson's killing, phones from high-profile executives were "ringing off the hook" at security firms.
We just have to keep it up. They have felt for a week what we have felt our whole lives.
How are the Sacklers doing?
I was just talking with a former coworker whose wife died of an aneurism next to him in a hotel bed while he was at a conference. Upon discovering her state, he called 911 and the paramedics pronounced her dead.
United Healthcare refused to cover the paramedics.
$2000.
Honestly, the entire concept of for profit healthcare is an historical absurdity. The fact that we don't haven't abolished the entire practice is mindboggling.
So true n now the newly elected administration wants to repeal the affordable ACA health care for many including medicare social security when most who pays their health insurance still goes to Mexico Canada to obtain medical dental care n prescriptions n the lobbyists our own government politicians including this health care for profit does not have the conscience to help their own people in America!
Why don’t you ask “what happened” to the CEO that turned him into someone willing to sanction murder for profits? That the Investor meeting proceeded even though the attendees had to maneuver around a crime scene to get there tells you all you need to know about these “parasites”.
Sympathy is out of network. That phrase really captures the situation nicely.
Nah people just have sympathy for the victims not for the predators
The more you read about Brian Thompson and how UHC changed under his leadership, the less you feel sorry for him. One example being how much claim denials rose under his leadership, despite the company already making record profits.
"'An insult to the intelligence of the American people" --Luigi.
Well, he was sorta being hopeful there.. we did reelect tRump 2.0
Sure is! So is the NYT. "Was this... about.. healthcare?" - NYT
"What goes around, comes around." This was predictable. This is an industry that should have reformed itself 40 years ago.
the day blue shield stopped being a non-profit was when the industry showed itself as parasitic and not able to be redeemed. Health coverage should be done on a state level like in almost every other developed country.
that['s the problem with unregulated Reagonomics..they all have the responsibility to reform and not take bribes from lobbyists and superpacs but they go for profit over people's lives. Our politicians are just as much at fault as anyone...our politicians are corrupt our countty is an Oligarchy..time we the people did something about it
Congress could change it, if people would vote in their best interests.
The NYT's coverage of this event has been deeply revealing of who funds your salaries and what your priorities are. Shameful.
Wdym? Do you really expect a serious publication to celebrate political murder?
Can you elaborate? (This is not meant to be passive aggressive or trying to start an argument, I am just curious and would like to learn more)
Folks at the NYT want to keep skimming off the top of these industries for their 401ks - they don't care about normal folk
@@alexmayorov795 Not celebrate, just not pretend that this isn't revolutionary
Truth!!!!! Only tell the sob story of Brian Thompson And fail to tell the story of the Millions he chose to screw for his own profit,
Why don't we hear about the endless list of Americans, fathers, mothers, friends, lovers, providers, caretakers, etc. who've met an untimely demise to a treatable condition because of the leadership of people like this CEO?
Because your progressive channels don't cover it..instead they let Trump lead the conversation. The End.
@@stoneneilsThe few major news stations are all run by billionaires. Nothing progressive about them when they usually prefer to protect the status quo. They cover Trump because he brings in eyeballs, which equals profit, and also Trump says and does outrageous things to receive coverage, even Joe Rogan said it on his show.
“Was this about healthcare?” Is mayonnaise an instrument?” “Is this a butterfly?”
hahahah TRULY
Ya'll are missing the main point. He had back surgery that went bad and he couldn't get it fixed because Health Insurance denied it. Meanwhile he is in excruciating pain and can't function as he once did.How many of you have thought of killing yourself in such pain. If he does that NOTHING CHANGES for the better. At what point did we allow insurance profit centers into our bedrooms and sterile surgical rooms.
I really hurt for him. But I had heard that his family was extremely rich. Under those circumstances, I would think that they would pay for the medical care that their son needed and sue the insurance company later. I don't understand.
@@danielleremp4328Fabricated the part about him being denied?
He got the surgery and had complications after wards. He is from a multi mullion dollar family. Went into depression after the surgery.
Im sure he was considering unaliving himself due to pain. The path he chose, although tragic, will hopefully help this world
@@rozaucja8612 Let's hope that medicine will find a solution for his pain. A friend of his said that Mangione's pain precludes him from intimacy.
Free my boy Luigi
The dude may just revive rock n roll..maybe even punk!! Ok ok..i'll settle for 'electro punk'. Fine.
Sadly, Luigi cannot be free. He is suffering. I'm not happy to say this, but it was evident during his "premiere perp walk". One reason why this is so, I hear, is because he has severe back pain.
I'm outraged and crying over the moral decline exhibited by the disinterested shrugs of the hoi polloi. It's like my fellow Americans don't even realize the tragic loss of a fine gazzilionaire who led a hellish scam taking premiums for Health Care coverage and innocently handing the money over to investors and executives. What is the world coming to?
I don't condone violence in any form, but...
Except in this case I do lol
Violence is never the answer, full stop, but....
Me too 😂
bro has no bad angle
Every photo is literally a different random guy with a different backpack and jacket
Fit.
Those eyebrows, though.
@@peterfazio9306Shoulda thinned them out and dyed his hair. Then he wouldn't have gotten caught!
For real! He shoulda thinned out his eyebrows though and dyed his hair, then he wouldn't have gotten caught!
We don’t have to celebrate someone’s murder and death but this incident has shined a light on one of the most broken and harmful aspects of life in America--the medical health insurance company and a healthcare system, the the elected people in congress who are complicit in supporting this broken system that causes medical debt, refuses access to care/medication that can lead to death.
It’s not just time to rant but to elicit CHANGE. We need a movement, we need to peacefully protest and hold people accountable for decisions that are hurting the American people, despite making huge profits for the chosen few.
Medicare For All!
Proverbs 11:10 "When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices, and when the wicked perish there are shouts of gladness".
Well Said.
Every time another NYT article comes out about this, you get to see just how deep the rot goes.
I'm reading a lot of negative comments about the CEO and the system. It seems there are a lot of families out there that have lost family members due to being denied coverage. Makes it easy to understand people's indifference. Maybe the system needs to take a look at itself. No one group of people should have the right to decide who lives and who dies due to the costs. I have a feeling that if it were any of these top people in United Health Care...they would certainly live.
Well said. 😢
“Is a human being” the way she talks about the CEO. We don’t talk about how this leader is in charge of denying patients care many of whom who have lost their lives. When we look at the killing of Osama bin Laden we don’t say he was a human being we say he’s a terrorist. Is there a comparison that can be drawn here? Denying people care and then denying the sanctity of life I don’t know but but I can say is that that CEO is a terrible person.
a bin laden apologist? shame on you
Listen, you’re free to critique our healthcare system & the existence of for-profit insurance. However, denials exist in every system, especially in socialized healthcare like in Canada & NHS (UK) & the portions of US medical care that are socialized (like the VA, Medicare, Medicaid). Do you think that those “cost savers” who deny coverage in public plans should also be mowed down in broad daylight?
If you don’t understand the difference in Bin Laden vs someone working in a legal industry, idk how to help you.
@ you’re missing a key difference here one is profit driven and the other is compassionate. I would rather the government deny me care for an elective surgery as opposed to that same CEO who is making billions denying care. It also matters the intentions. The intentions of the CEO are to maximize the profit for the shareholders. I’m not saying violence is ok. What I’m saying is you cannot try to humanize the CEO who is actively out there pushing aside the lives of humans to benefit himself and his shareholders
@@scarletsletter4466conflating the two is goofy af
@@scarletsletter4466 the deceased was a mass murderer, who found a way to do it legally, and monetised every death to build his personal fortune.
Brian Robert Thompson joined UnitedHealthcare in 2004, and was promoted to CEO in 2021, when he introduced an AI system to automate health insurance claim denials:
• In 2021, just *8.7%* of medical claims were successfully denied
• In 2022, that rose to *22.7%* of medical claims successfully denied
• In 2023, a new record of *32%* of medical claims successfully denied
Under his leadership, UnitedHealthcare's profits increased from *$12 billion in 2021* to *$16 billion in 2023.* Brian Thompson and three of his colleagues at UnitedHealthcare were under investigation for alleged fraud and insider trading at the time of his death.
Fortunes built and profits made by causing disability and death to the patients his company had made a commitment to serve.
no, the media cannot tell us anything about him to make us hate him, because it was nothing about him that make us hate the Health Insurance Industry and their abuses. This is not about who he is, but about what was done to him and to many others. I don't care what he studied or what his hobbies were, but that him and his mother suffered terribly and many others continue to do so at the hands of CEO's and shareholders greed.
When will we see a legitimate way/place to donate to this young man’s legal defense fund?
If this were a dictator being assassinated, The New York Times would find the time to go through the list of human rights abuses that person committed. Somehow, we always find a way to avoid addressing the deeds when they’re justified by balancing profit on an Excel sheet. Instead, they’re portrayed as a father, community member, etc. The reporter finishing this news piece, openly speculating that we might change our opinion of Lugi, totally ignores the other man’s deeds or the amount of police force brought to bear for one CEO, and so on. Good lord, The New York Times is so goddamn condescending.
So this CEO is already responsible for ruining and probably ending a lot of people's lives, and had he lived on, the irredeemable damage he would have caused to others would have substantially increased. Now in an ideal world, I think we can all agree that these types of people would be thrown in jail.
But given a world wherin these people's actions, no matter how disgraceful and immoral, suscitate no legal repercussions for there actions; if you had to pick, between them merrily living out the rest of their lives, and them getting clipped, which would you pick?
There are thousands of such individuals today in power. They should be thrown in jail.
Thompson will be replaced by someone the same.
Murdering Thompson changes nothing substantial at United other health insurance corporations.
This event has doubtless saved many lives, during the short time that insurance companies are cautious.
‘Strangely in support’ lmao out of touch as hell
I can't wait to see the protests outside the courthouse.
America needs to develop a healthcare system like we have in Australia. Commercialised healthcare is deadly.
The CEO had an investors meeting with the Devil.
cough... jury nullification... cough cough
What's that you say again?
At this point they'll have to fly in some immigrants to have an unbiased jury
2 weeks ago you spoken with Bernie Sanders and said to him that there is a lot of americans who don’t want medicare for all, that they are content with privitased healthcare and will vote against medicare for all candidate. I have question: WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE AFTER THIS HAPPENED?
On the day that Rupert Murdoch passes away, I will dance my happy dance. Murdoch has done more damage to our society than anyone else.
How many people have died from his denials? How do those families feel about that?
There should be a long list of people, a very long list.. a statement piece of photographs of lost loved ones on display in New York for example.. I bet it would wrap around Central Park. Let the media cover that and dare to say BT was a good person or that healthcare in this country isn't a great big fat pyramid scheme.
And, the problem with our healthcare system is possibly, the one topic that could serve as a unifying stimulus, finally, in bringing the American people together on a specific topic, when politics, gender, race, etc. have separated us like never before.
This is an opportunity for growth, change and understanding. Can this help us to open dialogue between people again and see we have some values and needs that we share with others.
We need to hold onto this opportunity like our lives depended on it--which of course it does
Thank you for covering a little bit of the medical insurance crimes of insurance companies, which is the root of all the real issues here. More coverage on medical insurance corruption would be helpful.
It shows political violence is going to increase…
I fear this, especially with the Trump reign looming.
This wasn't polictical so...
@@jessegpresley In that Donald Trump has made promises to industries that gave him big bucks, it's, unfortunately, political.
@danielleremp4328 change starts with acknowledging ITS ALL CORRUPT, They are all one big club, and we only have 2 parties to keep you malleable and compliant while fighting eachother- instead of the true common enemy. NO POLITICIAN IS GONNA SAVE YOU. They are on the same team, so why don't we even the playing field some, and DO THE SAME! B4 we can't anymore!! 10:49
@@jessegpresley Health care in the U.S. greatly, greatly involves politics -- especially with our PACs and lobbyists. Worse, Trump has made many promises to various industries in exchange for their big bucks.
Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work is a 2006 non-fiction book by industrial psychologist Paul Babiak and criminal psychologist Robert D. Hare. The book describes how a workplace psychopath can take power in a business using manipulation.
No one is above the law (x)
No one is above the bullet (✓)
i want to listen.
i refuse when it’s barbaro
Chilling.
This is the language of a domestic terrorist!
Will he get convicted? Will jury deliver anonymous verdict? Every single family is affected by insurance policies, high deductible, high premiums and no cares.
He will be convicted. The evidence against him is extensive.
entrenched disparity (power/money/access) in society leads to revolution
The shock is real when you go online and look this story up. I don't think I ever saw a single comment from a non-official person in support of the CEO except the injunction against murder from the 10 Commandments. The media has to cover this disconnect.
They are not going to go against their elite owners.
oh media, you are so out of touch
Maybe Congress will grow a pair and address the Insurance companies head on… I doubt it and this will be just one man’s arc towards revenge. And for the rest of us nothing changes in the healthcare industry😢. Except Healthcare Insurance CEOs now have better security…
The voters could change that.
Politicians serve their political donors, not the public.
I want details on Luigi's health situation, his condition/injury, his treatment and its success or failure, what treatment he was denied and the bills he was made personally responsible to pay. My best guess is chronic pain is a constant feature throughout.
He is a rich kid. I'm sure he had no problem with medical coverage.
@@mikespector2 That's true. Sadly, though, with chronic pain, there is sometimes no medical answer. You just suffer. He was so young to be so afflicted.
@mikespector2 Who cares if you're incurious? If you've got it all figured out why are you even here?
@@danielleremp4328 intractable pain is odd. there's a correlation, for example, between autism and fibromyalgia. makes you wonder if the pain even exists to begin with
He wrote a manifesto. Was more about his mom.
Please do some basic research before talking about topics.
Ted Kaczynski was a mathematics prodigy, he was younger ever assistant professor of mathematics at the University of California. Thus this part of Luigi's statement is not alleged or anything but statement of facts about Ted
what they have in common: they're narcissists who terrorized average citizens
@@TexasIsACountry "harming society" is not terrorism. scaring people is terrorism, and that's what both of these terrorists accomplished with their violent actions
@@TexasIsACountry harming society is not terrorism. terrorism is the act of instilling fear, and that's what they both accomplished
@@TexasIsACountry who said anything about harming society
We should go for bankers next. Change is needed in this country. We’re sick and tired of corporate greed over human lives.
Not so fast! We're not near solving our Health Care mess.
@@danielleremp4328walk and chew gum
BAD REPORTER!! L.M.'s Unibomber book review you cite IS A QUOTE from another's review!! SLOPPY!!
They're all bad these days.
but he said it
@@baj5763 bot
YOU ARE CORRECT. And it’s so obvious in the original post he’s quoting someone else. It’s purposeful or at least beyond negligent to ignore that
A perfect example of "you reap what you sow!" One all CEOs need to learn from. And if you consider that a threat, remember I live with the fear of my self, my wife and my child having ANTHING happen to us everyday be it a medical emergency or losing my job and not being able to survive. They are now feeling the fear I have felt everyday for all my adult life.
It's what we all feel.
@@doctorberkowitz Well doc I am guessing you are on some ones list.
All the people that his company killed were fathers ,mothers ,daughters and sons too. They all have people that miss them too. Social murder is still murder.
insurance companies don't kill people. apparently, though, redditors kill people
So if he gets on a trial by jury and everyone on the jury has had bad experiences with the health care system...
As someone else said, we might have to import back immigrants just to assemble an unbiased jury here.
Long outstanding bills have come due now, have they not?
nope
Go fund the defendant💪🏽
His family is wealthy.
Should the attention of the media and effort of the police in murder cases be dependend on the economic status of the victim?
If you watch shows like Forensic Files, it's obvious that police work hard to solve murders of ordinary people. The murder of a prominent person by a stranger on the street is obviously newsworthy.
No. If the victim is an attractive white female and the assailant is believed to be a black male, then the media coverage and police involvement will be the same regardless of whether or not she is wealthy -- so economic status does not always matter.
No sympathy for the devil
I think Dr. Glaucomflecken 's two-minute reflection on the case is more nail on....
Correction: according to the WHO, we are still in a pandemic, though the emergency phase has ended.
I disagree with what he did but don’t let anyone tell you he’s not intelligent or gaslight him
Yet another softball coverage of this topic by the New York Times. I love the Times, and this coverage is so disappointing. How about an episode on how the New York Times covered this death compared to the death of a person who couldn't afford health care prescribed by their physician? How about you cover every single one of those?
The irony is all this fury among Americans and at the same their refusal to accept and support a single-payer health plan. What's up with that?
Is it the American voter who refuses universal coverage, or do elections, PACs and lobbyists get in the way of reform?
5:52 “People DO NOT CARE because the health insurance companies DO NOT CARE about their lives”
A friend of mine mentioned this to me yesterday. He said, “oh good news! They caught the guy who shot that healthcare CEO.” I was surprised how strongly he seemed to feel about it and how he would assume I agreed with him. Honestly, I hadn’t been following the story.
⛓️💥🆓 Free Luigi! ⛓️💥🆓
The Monopoly money is hilarious sorry.
It represents unfretted capitalism
@ playing with 🐷s is always silly too
Strangely supportive? Are you kidding me? How out of touch are you failing New York Times.
failing? they have 11 million paid subscribers.
@duo315 you need to update your census
@@yeosucarly it has the largest subscriber base of any newspaper in the country
@@duo315 And, of course, it has, in addition, worldwide circulation.
@@duo315 again, 11 million is a nothing number. I don't know what industry you're in, but 11 million is beginner numbers. Not something for a legacy company like NYT, but here they are. Maybe if they didn't have less social impact than a teenage tiktok user they wouldn't be in this situation. And yet here they are, with their head in the sand and utterly clueless as usual.
You guys make me wish for a 3x speed option for UA-cam. Soooo many unnecessary pauses…
It makes them seem.... important. ...... thoughtful ........ intelligent. they're in .... control.... of the narrative.
I love how all these outlets try and minimize the public’s disdain for the health care system. “Some felt this way” “not everyone was celebrating” I have not seen one comment upset about Brian Thompson. Everyone is on the same page. Stop trying to spin the narrative.
Why not talk about his other book reviews too?
It was about health care but not specifically Brian Thompson. Luigi was not a client of UnitedHealthcare, there was no connection to the CEO, it could have been anyone from that business meeting.
It is uncomfortable how, not surprised and not uncomfortable I am with this. We live in scary times
You say people are keyed up for negative emotions when interacting with healthcare. However, when a healthcare system functions properly, there is space for gratitude and empathy. People are charged up at United Healthcare because they have behaved immorally and unempathetically
This video has misinformation, the quote about his views on Ted Kaczynski is quoting other take he found online to be interesting, using this to try to assert that this is his view is defamation.
Rich kid. The "insanity" narrative is already being deployed.
Because this trajectory of his life against this action suggests a MH defense is actually indicated.
There is six months of evidence that culprit experienced a dramatic turn in mental health after his back injury. I have heard that, in November, his parents went so far as to list him as a missing person.
I haven't seen any evidence regarding Mangioni's back or mental health and neither have you. There is plenty of evidence that his lawyers have been hard at work.
@@danielleremp4328 People are reported as missing all of the time, it doesn't mean that those people have lost their marbles.
@@willowsloughdx We’re not in court. We’re speculating on YT. That said, I based my speculation on 31 years of professional experience, combined with a deep dive into whatever I could learn about him prior to this act.
Dude will become a jailhouse lawyer.
And should
I am hopeful that he can work out for us more than the "concept of a plan" for universal health care.
mr. mangione for president!!!! felonies are not excluding!
18:38 "Does this investigation reveal more about the suspect to make people like him less?" If that's your goal then write nice fluff pieces on Brian, show him helping people, beatify his memory. But it sounds like the reporter instead hopes that the killer turns out to be a horrible person.
Why do you need to have “breaks” when recording this, can you have a break (or even a nap) and just edit it out? 😅
Every photo of this “guy” looks different.
I agree. I'm baffled as to how the McDonald's worker recognized Mangione. With the knowledge that Mangione had boarded a bus out of state and that there was a $50,000 reward, the worker possibly tasked himself with carefully examining all the passengers in buses that regularly made a stop at this location.
@@danielleremp4328 I don't think it strains credulity that a McDonald's worker in rural PA would see an Italian looking guy and profile him. What's wild is that he appears to have been entirely correct.
I agree I actually thought he looks nothing like the released photos
@@VictoriaGray-yq2gd I think that the mask may have made him stand out. Few wear masks nowadays.
@@danielleremp4328 yes your right, I feel sad for him I know he committed an awful crime and no one should praise him for it, I can’t help thinking he had some much to offer the world brains and beauty, i hope his eventual sentence is lighter than usual I really do
One guy can’t be obscenely rich unless money is not getting spent on where it is needed.
Elon Musk next!
This whole thing feels like one of those podcast with no context , like ai wrote the script without any knowledge of how late stage capitalism and for profit basic need are crippling people
Yessss
By all reports, Thompson was well liked by his co-workers. this is vastly different from the view of those who had policies with UnitedHealthcare. So he naturally thought "My co-workers like me. Why worry." Hence no security as he walked to his meeting. But this company is NOTORIOUS for denying much needed care. So I would say that there isn't so much contempt as out right hatred for health insurance companies. And yes Brian Thompson was heading to a meeting. But that meeting was going to be a 'pat on the back' of gee. Look how much money we've made this year. Unspoken in those sorts of meetings is all the care that is denied which is how they made so much money.
I know it's convenient to blame insurers, but ultimately this is a government policy failure. Drugmakers charing insane amount. Doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and hospital administrators make wild amount of money compared to their western peers. For profit hospital systems overbilling up the wazoo. It's just crazy. The complexity of the systems involving formulary, drug tiers, charge masters, network designs, HSA, HRA, high deductible plan, it's one patch work slapped on top of another. It's insane. I work in the industry and it's disgusting what the system has degenerated into.
You are correct. The whole system is a massive failure for everyone except those who directly become wealthy from it.
Thank GOD no one takes the NYT seriously anymore!!!! Complicit.
Something I've realized over time is that this podcast reflects such an institutionally Democratic outlook and also why that outlook lost the election. It's unable to reflect or understand anger as an emotion that drives people. Like this entire episode seems so surprised that so many people are cheering at the CEO's death, as though it weren't a self-evident fact to everyone that healthcare sucks in America and the CEO's are causing it.
Why was the man hunt so intense? Are they looking for other killers with the same motivation????
this video is made for someone who somehow had never heard what happened. for most people, this video offers nothing new.
Welcome to the health industry in America, the greatest country in the world 🤦🏾♂️
I mean, how many people did Brian Thompson and “his work” send to the grave early…. Yet he broke no laws… what’s wrong with this picture?
Two wrongs doesn’t make a right. We all need to step up and start changing things the nonviolent way. Voting for people who will actually help. And not people like the corporate stooges we have elected to most positions of power in our country.
😂 it’s the same response every time… how does voting turn out? Black people didn’t get to vote their rights into existence, women didn’t get to vote for their right to vote, and we can’t vote for our right to healthcare. Regulations are written in blood. We need to force them to give it to us.
I’m only seeing one wrong here
@ That is probably because you are looking for sweet vengeance. But vigilante justice is a dangerous road to totalitarianism and terrorism. If people wouldn’t elect millionaires, billionaires and some to be trillion-airs, this crap wouldn’t be happening.
Rates going to increase to pAy for security detail and punish people
Everyone gets to play dirty except the people at the bottom
I love how they try to humanize a man who kills for profit
Who was the Judas?
She keeps calling him a "valevictorian"
Obviously, she wasn't one!