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The point of the rule was not actually not to talk about fight club, but rather to make sure that people did talk about it, but only to those that might want to be in it. This club was all about breaking the rules, even its own.
Really a good rule even outside of the world in the story. Accidentally breaking the 4th wall with that one. Palahniuk doesn't even know how good he is
The one that hit me hardest was: “We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives."
@@jessewatkins5059 She was also still there at the end when he overcame his split personality, and was used as a plot device to hint to the audience that there was a discrepancy between Tyler and the protagonist earlier in the film. I think she real personally.
@@joshuacropper5041 the members of project mayhem abducted her and the men at the men's groups responded to her when she entered the group for the first time if I remember correctly. so yeah I'm with you, I think she was real.
@@imtm Hope itself was one of the Demons released from Pandora's Box, along with all the other evil in the world. Losing it feels incredibly freeing. With it, you loose your guilt, stress, expectations; it feels like someone was holding down both of your legs under water and drowning you, no matter how hard you kicked and fought. Then, all of a sudden, they let go, you break the surface and inhale the sweetest air ever. It's horrible and wonderful.
I've often thought if Fight Club was written in the present day, rather than destroy all the credit records they would probably destroy all the social media databases
ALL media, not just Social Media. Need to go after central banks(the Federal Reserve), corrupt politicians(most if not all), Council on Foreign Relations, the Education system, activist organizations(and lobbyists, usually connected), the Intelligence agencies, the alphabet agencies, and then fight the culture war to restore sanity and American individualism. Fucking hell that's a tall order.
@@Arkancide I'd prefer if all shit about politicians would've been exposed for everyone tosee. Granted it would've probably lead to more than a few revolutions, but...you can't hatch a chicken without breaking an egg. Of course, if that'd happened in real life, most likely those records would've drown in a sea of false information.
"Working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need". That line stuck with me when I saw this movie first back in 1999 and has stuck with me ever since.
You do make a good point and i agree. What i mostly took from that line is: dont be persuaded to buy things for no other reason than to buy it. Or because other people have it/say you should
@The Bandog what's wrong with being anti-capitalist? Capitalism is a broken rigged system that punishes many and rewards few It's in dire need of a reboot if not complete overhaul
@@carybeweary7209 Its the not system that punishers people. It's those who have the wealth and power in the higher class to help the lower class who don't do nearly enough to help them.
I love how fight club itself represents gaining back what men have lost. But Project Mayhem is the extreme of that extreme. In their focusing of that aggression outside of the consensual fights, they become much like they were before. They are just slaves with different clothes, and a false sense of purpose. When the Narrator shoots Tyler, he just takes back control. He becomes the middle ground of extreme aggression and extreme emasculation
Literally the entire point of the movie is how bad men hurt themselves when giving in to toxic masculinity, when lashing out in frustration against a world they feel will put no value on them if they don't meet a specific standard. There is no action the narrator takes after Durden is introduced that is healthy or helpful.
@Darryl Revok stop huffing your own farts, Chuck Palahnuk himself has stated multiple times that the entire point of the book is to underline the toxicity of putting your pride before your humanity. If destruction and violence is the only way you can break away from being a soulless drone then there is somrthing wrong with you. There's multiple reasons people don't wanna get drafted for war. Personally, I fucking hate the leaders of my country. Like you wouldn't believe. If I could piss in their IV bags, I'd drink a gallon of coffee beforehand so I have enough to drown the old gits. But especially in the US the sentiment is chiefly that it's not their business. I don't agree with that, but it has nothing to do with fear or manliness and everything to do with the persoective that There's plainly no reason to fight. In Russia, the people refusing the draft do so on moral grounds. Very good for them. To see it all as a matter of being brave or any other kind of shit is to limit a complex person's worldview for your own convenience.
And possibly gave birth to the snowflake. Seriously this is the film that empowered Hollywood to finally let loose and start lambasting men on film. It flopped, but home video and DVD sales were strong.
I recall "snowflake" from elementary school in the 1970s. But at that time "snowflake" meant that we were unique, no two are the same. The connotation of snowflakes melting at the first hint of heat came later.
@@HAL--vf6cg I always do that too. I'll try to quote a movie and then find out I'm one word off, even though the alternate word I use is a synonym for the actual word used. It's usually not the most well known movie quotes I mess up though.
Your lucky ! I watched this the 1st time when it first came out on video with my girlfriend and another couple. I was 20yrs old, high on mushrooms with no idea what I was about to watch.... I got so sucked into the movie, it spoke right to me. Later that night as my mind and mouth whirled with new ideas, she told me she would never do mushrooms with me again....and I knew it was over. 21 yrs later, today April 7th is my 43 birthday, and it's still a favorite movie. Although I'm still looking for a Real partner, so cherish yours. Cheers! Ps. Try " V for Vendetta" another personal fave !
My favorite part of Fight Club is all the subtle visual hints throughout the movie about Tyler's true identity. Like when Tyler crashes the car on purpose, but we then see "Jack" crawl out of the driver's side of the car. Or how Tyler calls a payphone with a notice that says "no incoming calls".
Also when Marla asked "Who were you talking to?" After Tyler fucked her it's implied that Jack / Tyler is talking to himself. Also, "Jack" said in his work when confronted to his boss, "Suddenly, Tyler's words come to me." And noticed in the beginning, Jack wasn't a smoker but then he starts to smoke ever since "Tyler" consumed him. And Marla implied that Jack / Tyler is getting more passive aggresive to her and she has enough of his bullshits.
One small thing I noticed is that when jack is on the phone to the detective, the detective replies to something Tyler says even tho he shouldn’t be able to hear him as he is in the background.
There are also those one-frame flashes of Tyler Durden in the office, down the alley, and another place- before they meet on the plane. I didn't discover these until I got the movie on DVD.
Another example was the scene where Tyler is in the bath tub talking about his dad. I can't remember exactly how it goes but marriage is brought up and the narrator says "You can't get married. I'm a 30 year old boy." To which Tyler responds "We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need". Notice how the narrator says Tyler can't get married but refers to himself as the 30yo boy instead of Tyler. The slip up is actually a real phenomenon with people who talk to themselves due to losing touch with reality. This is one of the few movies that get better every time you watch it.
@@Meloncholymadness Certainly, 1980s My Bodyguard starring Chris Makepeace comes to mind, O brother where art though is on my list, there's a great one on Netflix right now called Mute with Paul Rudd, anything with heart that doesn't follow the cookie cutter formula really.
@@truenews8357 Tell Burn Loot Murder and Cuntifa too, because they're far worse than both of those guys combined (Though to be fair, there are probably a lot of Incels in Antifa...)
@@redactedflinn6988 To be fair, Antifa's main stated goal isn't to be a masculine larp festival for insecure incels but ok. Right wing terrorism has consistently kills 2x or more of left wing terrorists every year but feelings matter more than facts for you it seems. Same thing with BLM and Antifa, they rarely kill anybody and the damage done my them is negligible when compared to protests in the 70s.
@@zimonslot it's good and bad. Truthfully we should all have both parents in our lives and in the house especially during the formative years. Having just one throws some things off whether it's just dad or just mom. Now of course everyone's circumstance is different, people get sick or die, maybe some sort of abuse is involved
This movie follows the main rules of filmic trascendence: - Being actually smart and controversial without going down the pretentious road. - A director that actually knows what he's doing, what he wants to do, and what message to convey. - Characters that are memorable and resonate with us no matter when, why or how.
true but it's more than that. arts in general try, or strive, to be syncretic, andt theater and cinema do it best. by "syncretic" I mean that the audience is a pyramid that is composed of layers of different cultures, beliefs, intelligence and so on. so when the audience watches a movie like this, or like "Clockwork", different people understand different parts from it. In other words, the top of the pyramid understands the existential problems within Fight Club, and the bottom of the pyramid think it is a action/fighting movie. As a form of art, it is not judging the audience, it gives something for everyone. And there are so few movies that do this, it's way harder than it appears and it's so unappreciated.
@Badachelli considering that the entire movie is a satire and that most people missed that point - even with Chuck Palanuik broadcasting this fact for decades - yeah, it's better than "smart". For an example of some of the depths of hidden gems throughout the film, lookup the history of "Paper Street" in regards to maps - it was a convention of map makers to include a fake/imaginary road called Paper Street as a means of catching out those plagiarising their content. When you combine this with the address on the business card, as well as that the number on the house itself differs from this (1B - "they only give letters to shitty basement apartments") you then realise that the whole house was nothing but a figment of "Jack's" imagination.
Funny that this movie and others like American Beauty, The Matrix and Office Space that were released in 1999, had the same themes about a male protagonist that were breaking free from the mundane white collar work and finding their own identity and freedom.
That was the entire premise of the James Bond franchise, launched when men were bound to our jobs, wives and kids and no longer able to travel the world, drink and screw exotic women.
American Beauty was the shit one of that batch. Author was probably just as leftist as the Matrix siblings but at least the Matrix kept the politics on the down low.
@@el_killorcure Sure the directors of The Matrix changed their gender and probably that's the reason why they attached such a meaning into the film. But it's certainly not originally about that, while it has really deep meaning and balancing your feminine and masculine energies are part of that. But having balanced energies/sides doesn't make one a trans, it just elevates your gender.
A hint they put in that most people miss: When Tyler drives the car off the road and it crashes upside down, Tyler gets out of the passenger side and pulls the Narrator out of the driver side.
Here's the thing about Fight Club's big twist: it doesn't matter how many times or how many ways they foreshadow it because the movie's surreal and over-the-top aesthetic successfully lulls you into thinking it's all part of "the show". You don't stop and think about why he's seeing weird one-frame inserts of Tyler all the time, or why Tyler got out of the wrong side of the car after the crash, because these things don't seem out of place given the fever-dream insanity of the entire movie. I have to imagine this was intentional on the part of Fincher; he used hyper-stylized cinematography to obscure the clues he was dropping in plain sight.
@@wholetyouinhere It was intentional. In fact, there's a director's commentary where Fincher talks about how the continuity team noticed the "mistake" and were assuming they'd have to reshoot the crash scene (Most of the movie crew didn't know about the ending yet). Fincher told them never mind, he didn't want to reshoot, since he actually planned the scene that way.
"You Only Have Power Over People So Long As You Don't Take Everything Away From Them. But When You've Robbed A Man Of Everything He's No Longer In Your Power -- He's Free Again." SOLZHENITSYN
The part I liked most about the movie was the smart...they didn't assume the audience was stoopid. It's nice when corporate swab jockeys give you proper respect and make a movie that treats you right.
Very true. In some ways it was written for different audiences. I had friends who went to see it who saw it as a manly action flick more than anything, as well as female friends who saw it as a celebration of masculinity that they found almost erotic. And then there are the deeper themes of alienation and anomie that those of us raised in the same generation as Tyler felt our whole lives and that this movie finally put into words for us. Still amazed 20 years later that Fincher was given this level of creative control from a mainstream studio to make the movie he wanted, that almost perfectly captured the novel it was based on.
I saw this movie for the first time last year. I was literally mindblown that it was so on the money about what’s wrong with men’s supposed place and nature in current society. Then I got depressed when I realized that that meant it’s been over twenty years of society not listening to this sort of conscience.
I consider it primarily a cultural sickness. Cultures are tricky things to change and it can’t be done artificially. I consider personal development and outspoken honesty the simplest way to grow oneself into an opponent of such things. It requires constant iteration and improvement but so long as you can question premises, and otherwise play your own cards while getting through the system’s defenses, things will change at least locally. And that’s inclusion critical of one’s own methods rather than hollow activism etc. There’s no intellectual shortcut to engineering a better society. Such things are inevitably authoritarian. I’d be lying if I said I had an explicit game-plan, suffice to say I have faith in rugged individualism of a sufficient depth to stand firm against the motives of weak minded people as I believe to run society in the wrong direction. If you can live up to being a good man, you become an enemy of malicious people simply be securing your own life and values. Hard to say where that road leads, but I know somewhere other than where we’re headed is a risk worth taking.
@@lamontkhoza2856 you cant fix something when you dont understand the root cause, you're wasting your time playing devils advocate like this because you're far more clueless than the guy you're questioning.
@@Vihara2 I never claimed that I knew more then him bruh. You're putting words in my mouth that I never said or implied. I simply asked a question of what he would do to fix the problems.
Young me, 14, this movie was life-changing. It gets better every year as I work retail, deal with corporate bs, and feel Jack's angst all too keenly. I know this movie was targeted towards men only, but it resonates with me still. Marla is a Queen. Her flaws make her more compelling. Give me more Marla and less She-Hulk, thanks
Depends on the woman. Though my mother was less than a good parent, my wife made life bearable. No matter how shitty everything got, she made enduring it, worth it. I'll always miss her, and this shit world is twice as crappy, without her in it. A far cry from the "women" you find today.
Fun Fact: Brad Pitt's stunt double in this and a bunch of other movies, was David Leitch. You may know him as one of the creators of the John Wick franchise and also director of movies like ''Atomic Blonde'',''Deadpool 2'' or ''Hobbs & Shaw''. He's currently working on a new action movie with Brad Pitt.
Ever notice how when he calls Tyler from the pay phone, and Tyler calls him back, that as if zooms into the phone, you can clearly see the “No Incoming Calls” sticker that most pay phones in the US have, as incoming calls are blocked.
Junior year of HS, friends worked at the local theater. They invited me to their employee screening to this gem 2 days before it premiered. Knew nothing about it outside of the title. Didnt know i would be watching the most important film of my life. Paul and Matt, where ever you guys are, thanks again for takin me to this.
I put this movie on around New Years just as I do with films like Die Hard, the Christmas Carol and Elf on Christmas Day; it’s a tradition for me and the ending of Fight Club always stays with you.
Heard somewhere that the Author of the book said himself that he liked the movie better with the slight changed Fincher made to it. Can't confirm tho, but fascinating if true.
This is one of my favorite movies of all time and knew it was a masterpiece when I first watched it when I was like 10. I didn't realize that "Jack" didn't say his name the entire movie until like a decade later. My mind was blow.
As far as I know, I think I've glimpsed his name somewhere to be "Cornelius". However - I might be totally wrong... Or totally drunk now. Not sure... 🤷♂️
Roger Ebert also called John Carpernter's ''The Thing'', I quote: ''a mindless gorefest.'' I think that speaks volumes about the guy and professional movie critics in general.
@@SuperiorGamerNathan He disliked the original Blade Runner. And he wasn't fond of the Shining. But later he gave a good review? in one of his books. I dunno. He wasn't the best reviewer.
@@luchomscyfy Did you know porn comes from a ancient Greek word for "slut" making gay porn kind of an oxymoron, but just like a lot of redundant things like dry ice does not mean that it does not exist.
1 don't talk about it 2 DON'T TALK ABOUT IT 3 say stop go limp or tap out fight is over 4 only 2 guys to a fight 5 one fight at a time 6 no shirts, no shoes 7 fights will go on as long as needed 8 if this is your first time YOU HAVE TO FIGHT 😈
I remember watching this film and seeing apparitions of Brad Pitt placed throughout the film. Just random scenes where he was standing in the background. Kinda like a subliminal message. His imaginary friend. Amazing
What's really cool is that Tyler's brief appearances are not random. Tyler begins to appear at all the points in Jack's life that he is unable to cope with: his job, his insomnia, Marla and the therapy groups. This signifies Jack beginning to form a new personality to deal with all the issues in his life he can't tackle on his own.
I, also, miss movies like this. How long since we've had such a smart and almost perfect movie. This movie couldn't be made today, and that's really depressing.
"On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero." "First you have to know, not fear; know, that someday you're gonna die." Two lines that severely eroded my tolerance for other people's bullshit.
Interestingly,Marcus Aurelius writes something very similar in his Meditations: (Paraphrased)''Your life is just a moment in eternity.So what is a moment's worth?''
Those two lines right there are what we as a nation living in terror of a pandemic need to hear. If more people understood that simple fact- that we are all mortal and will eventually die- we wouldn’t be so terrified of a mere virus.
This is my 2nd favorite film of 1999, only thing is the greatest science fiction film ever made came out that same year The Matrix. Both films are in my top 10 of all time.
Jack's self beating in front of his boss was another solid foreshadowing of the dual personality. Too bad that the imagination of screenwriters today is so unimaginative and PC.
To be fair even screenwriters back then were unimaginative, Palahniuk wrote this and sold the movie rights to Hollywood. Even in the 90s Hollywood was bland and PC.
It's like that Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times". Interesting and exciting unfortunately aren't always good. Example: the last 8 months of 2020...😧
The threats we face to today are the threats that were being cultivated before we were born. We were simply blissfully unaware of the danger. Now we do know, and we do nothing.
Literally the most terrifyingly exciting thing a person can experience, along with the satisfaction of knowing a loved one will cash in on your corpse.
“We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And 're very, very pissed off." -- Tyler Durden
Edward Nortons' performances in Fight Club and American History X have, in my opinion, always been absolutely unfathomable greatness. Put simply, it doesn't just feel like he's acting. He's a human being with a well defined personality in both, and it fits him so well you sometimes forget you're watching a movie. The biggest names in acting are obvious - and they can definitely act - but I find it a tragedy that Norton never had the successes to go with his talents. Oh well.
The best story about this movie is when the executives wanted the line “I want to have your abortion!” changed. The director agreed on the condition that they couldn’t complain about it again so they changed it to “I haven’t been fucked like this since grade school!” Way to stick it to the man!
Same year 99 the Matrix conied the red pill ... And this dude said mediocre decade ... The last best music and movies before the millennials decadence.
@@TestTest-tj9io I think the mediocrity of the decade allowed for some peace and quiet, which led to some quality reflection, which in turn led to some of the greatest art our species has ever created... Couldn't have written these stories or produced these films while getting torn apart on foreign soil(s).
@@TestTest-tj9io doubt its decadence by choice, there's nothing left to do, our aims and hopes were forced on us by our parents, "get good grades and you'll get a good job etc" when not realising that all the good jobs were taken by the less qualified parents. All the housing was over priced by the grandparents still living in them. The lack of preparation for this pandemic, despite the warnings for decades of one, was because of gen x career politicians. The snowflakes of the boomer generation, the ones who didn't die in conflict during that era, the hippies, were the teachers of the millennial and zoomers. When the only thing thats left in society is coldness where your value as a person is simply just a number for taxes, then of course there are people screaming into the void of mediocrity. When each generation is taught from 5 years and onwards, to get a good job, a house, a car etc. But never anything more meaningful. The system produces workers, and as humanity merges its cultures etc, eventually it'll become more homogeneous, bland and safe... to cater to the masses and not the individual.
@@rebeccaconlon9743 This is so true. I'm gen-x, spent my 20's in the 1990's as a slacker, bouncing between jobs and college without feeling like my boomer parents ever prepared me for anything or gave me any real direction in life because they already had everything they needed from their generation - which sacrificed so much to give it to them. We were raised by latchkey parents and teachers who were mostly leftover hippies from the 70's. When this movie came out it spoke to me and the people I knew like nothing in our experience ever had. All of the sudden there was this voice (Tyler's) telling us exactly why we felt the way we did, what the source of our anomie and apathy was. It was a huge eye-opener at the time, for the people who it seemed to be made for.
@@Raskolnikov70 look at the generational analysis of RugRats, can't remember who did it, you might find it both funny and thought provoking, it was really all about boomer parents looking after babies.
I think it's technically "Jack" since he was reading the books about the organs in first person, it's hypothesized that he was using his own first name when reading them, since later he still refers to first person reactions as "I am Jacks inner rage" "I am Jack's cold sweat" and so forth I might have butchered the quotes a little since it's from memory. The actual Fight Club book by Chuck Palahniuk also gives off the feeling that he really was just inserting his name when reading those organ books.
Yeah, Gen X cancelled by modern progressives, while they hate on us across the internet that Gen X invented, and play video games that Gen X invented. Gen X should have worn more condoms.
I remember renting it from Blockbuster knowing nothing about it, I started off a bit confused, then it seemed to all come together... Then it kicks you in the face and laughs at your missing teeth at the end. Brilliant.
" I haven't been f***ed like that since grade school." Very rarely does a movie come along that remains quotable so many years after release all the while getting even more relevant to all the bullshit going on in this world. An all time fave every adult male should see at least once.
@@alpha-cf2oi Yes. She's from England. We don't have "grade school" in any form. But it's been confirmed by the actress and the film makers that she assumed grade school went up to American highschool
I love Demolition Man but I was amazed just how much Stallone was doubled 🤣 Going back and watching the old Arnie flicks revealed much the same. Strange how they're considered action stars.
@@Blisterdude123 Who decides what is good & evil though? Society and what did Tyler say about society? "Reject the basic assumptions of civilization..." He is a guy who doesn't give a fuck about what others think about him. He follows his own moral code which is rather raw sure, but he didn't force violence to people who didn't wanted to particapate in it. It first started with the fight clubs and grew larger the more ppl flocked to the idea, the idea of rejecting a comfortable, but meaningless life. The crucial question though is, did he intentionally cultivate a cult of personalty? I don't think so, although we primarily see Tyler trough the eyes of jack and therfore don't get the whole picture of Tyler's action, it is hinted in the movie that he is more of a thread puller always on the move and one step ahead. A Cult leader would put himself more in the spotlight. He is neither good nor bad, he surely has anti social behaviour and is a sociopath but who decides that those characteristics alone automaticly make him a bad/evil person?
@@twistedmetal04 Tyler Durden is a bad person. Fight Club is about the Narrator coming out the other end of some serious psychological issues. He's a product of incredibly an incredibly self-damaging mental coping mechanism. That's literally what the story is about, the Narrator growing up and realising that, taken to excess.
Watched it last night after at least 15 years. I'm watching as Tyler Durden says "everything you own ends up owning you" i look around my nice house and cars on the drive and I'm like... yeah, never has a truer word been spoken.
I love the moment, when You first learn the truth about Tyler and then watch the movie again. It's a completely different watching experience the second time, all the hints are there, and it's just beautifully put together. One of my all-time favorites 🙌🏼 God how I miss the movies from the 90's...
This movie single handedly ended a close friendship with my best mate. We used to go to the movies all the time, but when I went to see Fight Club one Friday night, he was busy so I saw it alone and was blown away by it and had an instant connection with it. I raved about it to him, so he went off to see it mid week. When I saw him again he told me he absolutely hated it and had walked out on it well before the ending. It was weird because after that he wasnt interested in seeing movies with me anymore, and a few months later he was raving about some movie that I couldnt stand, and we realised we had somehow grown apart. I was in my 20's then and rocked the Brad Pitt look, and almost bought the red Tyler Durden jacket when it came up for auction on ebay. This is one of my most favourite movies of all time.
The first time I saw it I hated it too. My head wasn't in it and I stopped watching as well. It was a good mate who recommended it to me again and I gave it a chance. What can I say it is now definitely one of my top 5 movies.
@@TheTurinturumbar The guy is a complete opposite of an sjw, he was a young tradesman obsessed with making as much money as soon as possible by working every spare moment he had. He hated the Edward Norton character, he saw him as a loser for throwing away his career and becoming effectively homeless. He didnt like the air crash scene because of how suicidal it was. The character was the complete opposite to how he viewed life. When he found out Tyler Durden was an imaginary character he said he'd never waste his time trying to watch it again.
Your channel has truly been an outlet for me. I love your honest, crass takes on movies and video games. Hope you do more video games in the future. It's amazing how your channel has grown. Your like the Jordan Peterson of movie reviews.
This is the only movie I ever re-watched immediately after seeing it. Then I told one of my friends back then to watch it, which I seldom gave recommendations. Next time I saw him he said "you're not your fuckin' khakis" and he was hooked.
I watched it the first time when I was 19, in the middle of the night, after several drinks. It blew my mind, and it's been blown ever since. Every time I watch it it gets better, it's the most condensed movie I have ever seen, every line of dialogue is there for a reason, this movie has no filler content.
I was a projectionist at the time, and using the old two projector setup, those dots still bring a chill, if you miss them, everyone in the cinema knows you ballsed up !
another possibly dated aspect of the film along with the degaussing of video cassettes.. do movies even come on film any more? I haven't noticed the dots in years. Been wondering if they just come on a thumb drive or something today. I was a projectionist in the late 80's / early 90's too.. but we at least had the platters. Still had to splice the movies together from the little 15 min reels though.. and thake them back apart again..
@@Turk380 all films are distributed on hard drives now, end of a era, I remember making sure those dots were there good and strong over scratchings them with my little machine, and cursing you guys re spooling the reels backwards and out of order 🤣
@@grahameida7163 DUDE.. one our other guys once spooled up a reel backwards and reversed L-R, *IN THE MIDDLE OF DIE HARD II* - wasn't caught until the 1st showing to a packed house Friday night!! talk about nightmares..
The "human fat" scene was way funnier in the book. Marla had been keeping the fat in the fridge so she could use it for lip injections. Her mother was the "donor," and the boys took it to make soap, pissing off Marla...But the punch line is that Tyler had been sending chocolates to her, to later be sucked out.
Surely one of the best movies ever made. From the story to the cinematography to the performances to the soundtrack. Wildly imaginative, intense, dark, funny. It's an absolute masterpiece. The only problem is that you're hard pressed to find something to enjoy after this.
That moment when he beats Lou, not with violence or his army, but by being the guy to take the beating. It's a very Jesus moment, showing his willingness to sacrifice himself for the cause. And then he climbs on Lou and bleeds all over him, so dark, so perfect. He won what he was fighting for, even if he didn't win the fight. This is one of those movies you watch with a new friend in silence and you wait to hear their opinion before you decided if you need to throw them out and burn the number. A few years ago I wrote a paper on this movie for a college communications class, I got a D because the topic was feminism.. and I had.. "contrary opinions".
The actor playing Lou didn't know Pitt was going to do the blood thing onto him and he completely lost it... that's why it looks SO realistic in the scene. (In your paper, I hope you pointed out that feminism is NOT about, "equality"). ;)
@@SogoTX Wow, thanks for that bit of knowledge, that terror is primal! That moment changes everything about this movie. Good on that actor not to tap out but tap into it. 'You don't know where I've been Lou! ' give me chills 10/10
This movie was well before its time, and it's themes are just as relevant in 2020. "The Things you own end up owning you", is the most poignant message, which has resonated with me to this very day. ☺️💟
The dust brothers electronic soundtrack was also something new and different. It was a fantastic tone setter and communicated well The Narrator's feelings and the direction of the movie.
One of the saddest things I realized is that when older movies are released on DVD or BluRay in "remastered" versions, they take those cigarette burns out. Used to enjoy looking for them...
@@Raskolnikov70 Projectionist here - the cue marks on the print are added specifically for the big screen release by cutting holes in the production negative, so they are arguably the abberation, not the remastered version sourced from an unadulterated copy. Cigarette burns were also a largely obsolete feature by the time Fight Club called attention to them. By that time it was common practice for movies to be "built" upon arrival at the cinema, effectively taking all the individual reels and winding them together on to a single large vertical reel or a horizontal platter. This reduced the complexity of the projectionist's job at multiplex theatres, allowing them to run with smaller staff numbers. You can also use this technique to show the same print on multiple screens at once by staggering the start times by 10-20mins without fear of getting into a situation where you have more simultaneous reel changeovers to handle than you have projectionists.
@Lord Brain Older movies that were released on VHS or DVD usually left the cigarette burns in because they were made by transferring film stock that had been sent out to theaters - read Stoney Mahoney's comment below. When they do a remastered version, they do the transfer with the original master copies held by the studios (if they're still available) then digitally clean them up by removing all of the scratches or imperfections, doing color correction if necessary, basically the digital equivalent of retouching a painting. The cigarette burns always get removed because as Stoney said, they're not considered part of the original master copy of the film.
This video is right on. I actually saw this movie in the theater. I was part of that generation. Critical Drinker hits the nail on the head. This movie underscored how a lot of us felt on, as you put it, a much more “fundamental “ level than simple anti-capitalist propaganda. “Our war is a spiritual war. Our Great Depression is our lives” was something that rang true with a lot of people of that generation.
I was about 17 when this movie came out and it basically blew my mind. I connected with it on a level I really hadn't connected with a movie before thematically. Also, from a craft perspective, it's incredibly well done. Even all these years later it's still firmly in my top 5.
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You forgot the part where Tyler blew up "Jack's" apartment.
Yes drinker
Please do True Romance. I guarantee it will make The Drinker Recommends list
You know drinker, you should really look at other Regency films. I can see you having a great time with Heat, Brazil and Once Upon A Time In America.
Was 1999 or 1994 better year for films?
First Rule of Fight Club: Don’t talk about fight club.
Drinker: nah it’ll be fine...
BOOM!!!!
The point of the rule was not actually not to talk about fight club, but rather to make sure that people did talk about it, but only to those that might want to be in it. This club was all about breaking the rules, even its own.
...And everything was fine. :D Maybe.
Actually, it's the first TWO rules of Fight Club...
Really a good rule even outside of the world in the story. Accidentally breaking the 4th wall with that one. Palahniuk doesn't even know how good he is
I feel like this movie reverberates stronger and stronger the more time goes on.
Self fulfilling prophecy. The larger the population of nihilists, the faster the downfall accelerates
Hard to believe this book was written by a native Portlander lol!!
@@luckylepp6609 not really fight club makes more sense now than it did in the nineties considering the plight of men going on now
Do you think it's because society is changing, or that your perception of it is moving?
When will the torment and hen-pecking end?
Tyler's speech about the lost generation hits hard.
"We work jobs we hate to buy shit we don't need."
Buy less so you have to work less, retire early mate. I still buy too much shit but am in control more each year.
"You are not your fucking khakis"
@@DoesNotGiveAF I always thought he said 'car keys' which seemed a bit odd.
'Khaki's' makes a bit more sense I spose.
To impress people we don't even like
The one that hit me hardest was: “We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives."
"This is how I met Marla Singer. Marla's philosophy of life is that she might die at any moment. The tragedy, she said, is that she didn't."
Marla is also a part of the narrators psych. She isn’t real.
@@jessewatkins5059 I don't think so in this case otherwise the members of project mayhem would have been unable to physically abduct her surely.
@@joshuacropper5041 Well if she is imagined so would the abduction than
@@jessewatkins5059 She was also still there at the end when he overcame his split personality, and was used as a plot device to hint to the audience that there was a discrepancy between Tyler and the protagonist earlier in the film. I think she real personally.
@@joshuacropper5041 the members of project mayhem abducted her and the men at the men's groups responded to her when she entered the group for the first time if I remember correctly.
so yeah I'm with you, I think she was real.
“It’s only after we’ve lost everything. That we are free to do anything” - Tyler Durden
In this instance, that's Durden-as-Death-as-in-Nihilism.
Losing hope was freedom
@@imtm Hope itself was one of the Demons released from Pandora's Box, along with all the other evil in the world. Losing it feels incredibly freeing. With it, you loose your guilt, stress, expectations; it feels like someone was holding down both of your legs under water and drowning you, no matter how hard you kicked and fought. Then, all of a sudden, they let go, you break the surface and inhale the sweetest air ever. It's horrible and wonderful.
It’s true but rare that most will experience
My first tattoo when I was 18, and I don’t regret this message 🙏
I've often thought if Fight Club was written in the present day, rather than destroy all the credit records they would probably destroy all the social media databases
That’s a great point.
The EMP will take care of both
Good point but both need to go down.
ALL media, not just Social Media. Need to go after central banks(the Federal Reserve), corrupt politicians(most if not all), Council on Foreign Relations, the Education system, activist organizations(and lobbyists, usually connected), the Intelligence agencies, the alphabet agencies, and then fight the culture war to restore sanity and American individualism. Fucking hell that's a tall order.
@@Arkancide I'd prefer if all shit about politicians would've been exposed for everyone tosee.
Granted it would've probably lead to more than a few revolutions, but...you can't hatch a chicken without breaking an egg.
Of course, if that'd happened in real life, most likely those records would've drown in a sea of false information.
"Working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need". That line stuck with me when I saw this movie first back in 1999 and has stuck with me ever since.
@The Bandog fair enough, your point is well made.
You do make a good point and i agree. What i mostly took from that line is: dont be persuaded to buy things for no other reason than to buy it. Or because other people have it/say you should
@The Bandog what's wrong with being anti-capitalist? Capitalism is a broken rigged system that punishes many and rewards few
It's in dire need of a reboot if not complete overhaul
@@carybeweary7209 Its the not system that punishers people. It's those who have the wealth and power in the higher class to help the lower class who don't do nearly enough to help them.
@The Bandog I always view that line as more of a specific dig towards consumerism and materialism. .
I love how fight club itself represents gaining back what men have lost. But Project Mayhem is the extreme of that extreme. In their focusing of that aggression outside of the consensual fights, they become much like they were before. They are just slaves with different clothes, and a false sense of purpose. When the Narrator shoots Tyler, he just takes back control. He becomes the middle ground of extreme aggression and extreme emasculation
Literally the entire point of the movie is how bad men hurt themselves when giving in to toxic masculinity, when lashing out in frustration against a world they feel will put no value on them if they don't meet a specific standard. There is no action the narrator takes after Durden is introduced that is healthy or helpful.
@@chukyuniqul Toxic masculinity..🤮
@@chukyuniqul Nor was there any action the narrator took before Durden is introduce that was healthy or helpful.
@@fatal_error_3 they were far better than post durden what eve are you arguing about? Dude just needed to find himself an actual hobby.
@Darryl Revok stop huffing your own farts, Chuck Palahnuk himself has stated multiple times that the entire point of the book is to underline the toxicity of putting your pride before your humanity. If destruction and violence is the only way you can break away from being a soulless drone then there is somrthing wrong with you.
There's multiple reasons people don't wanna get drafted for war. Personally, I fucking hate the leaders of my country. Like you wouldn't believe. If I could piss in their IV bags, I'd drink a gallon of coffee beforehand so I have enough to drown the old gits. But especially in the US the sentiment is chiefly that it's not their business. I don't agree with that, but it has nothing to do with fear or manliness and everything to do with the persoective that There's plainly no reason to fight. In Russia, the people refusing the draft do so on moral grounds. Very good for them. To see it all as a matter of being brave or any other kind of shit is to limit a complex person's worldview for your own convenience.
Remember kids, this was the movie that coined the term "snowflake". That alone makes it wonderful.
And possibly gave birth to the snowflake. Seriously this is the film that empowered Hollywood to finally let loose and start lambasting men on film. It flopped, but home video and DVD sales were strong.
@@spaceodds1985 I’m so thankful it hit cult status bc it’s truly a gem
@@spaceodds1985 "NOOO MEN ARE UNDER ATTACK BY THE MEDIA!!!"
Lmao, couldn't embody a snowflake more
I recall "snowflake" from elementary school in the 1970s. But at that time "snowflake" meant that we were unique, no two are the same. The connotation of snowflakes melting at the first hint of heat came later.
@@truenews8357 Nice bait.
"I am Jack's complete lack of surprise."
I believe you have posted the most relevant comment. Period.
*complete lack of surprise, but ok
@@HAL--vf6cg I always do that too. I'll try to quote a movie and then find out I'm one word off, even though the alternate word I use is a synonym for the actual word used.
It's usually not the most well known movie quotes I mess up though.
Fixed.
Till this day I can't understand the phrase lol, sorry I'm not native english speaker
My wife saw this movie before I did. She told me to see it and it would be one of my favorite movies, she wasn't wrong. Glad I married her.
You have a good wife
Good. Now get her to cook something
@@Leo_prado So funny I forgot to laugh 😐😐
Lovely story, wish you the best👌
Your lucky ! I watched this the 1st time when it first came out on video with my girlfriend and another couple. I was 20yrs old, high on mushrooms with no idea what I was about to watch.... I got so sucked into the movie, it spoke right to me. Later that night as my mind and mouth whirled with new ideas, she told me she would never do mushrooms with me again....and I knew it was over. 21 yrs later, today April 7th is my 43 birthday, and it's still a favorite movie. Although I'm still looking for a Real partner, so cherish yours. Cheers!
Ps. Try " V for Vendetta" another personal fave !
My favorite part of Fight Club is all the subtle visual hints throughout the movie about Tyler's true identity. Like when Tyler crashes the car on purpose, but we then see "Jack" crawl out of the driver's side of the car. Or how Tyler calls a payphone with a notice that says "no incoming calls".
Or the fact they have the exact same briefcase when they meet.
Also when Marla asked "Who were you talking to?" After Tyler fucked her it's implied that Jack / Tyler is talking to himself. Also, "Jack" said in his work when confronted to his boss, "Suddenly, Tyler's words come to me." And noticed in the beginning, Jack wasn't a smoker but then he starts to smoke ever since "Tyler" consumed him.
And Marla implied that Jack / Tyler is getting more passive aggresive to her and she has enough of his bullshits.
One small thing I noticed is that when jack is on the phone to the detective, the detective replies to something Tyler says even tho he shouldn’t be able to hear him as he is in the background.
There are also those one-frame flashes of Tyler Durden in the office, down the alley, and another place- before they meet on the plane. I didn't discover these until I got the movie on DVD.
Another example was the scene where Tyler is in the bath tub talking about his dad. I can't remember exactly how it goes but marriage is brought up and the narrator says "You can't get married. I'm a 30 year old boy." To which Tyler responds "We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need". Notice how the narrator says Tyler can't get married but refers to himself as the 30yo boy instead of Tyler. The slip up is actually a real phenomenon with people who talk to themselves due to losing touch with reality. This is one of the few movies that get better every time you watch it.
This movie is definitely more relevant than ever today,movies like this are a rare breed.
The movie was from one book of many by one Chuck Palahniuk . .
They just broke up a fight club in NYC a few nights ago.
@@sladewilson9741 If I was in that city I'd need to join a fight club as well to deal with all that chaos right now lol.👍
Can you name some other, rare breed movies?
@@Meloncholymadness Certainly, 1980s My Bodyguard starring Chris Makepeace comes to mind, O brother where art though is on my list, there's a great one on Netflix right now called Mute with Paul Rudd, anything with heart that doesn't follow the cookie cutter formula really.
The message of this movie is more relevant in 2020 than ever before. It’s ahead of its time for sure
Tell the incels and proud boys about this movie. I think not many would be convinced but maybe some.
@@truenews8357 Tell Burn Loot Murder and Cuntifa too, because they're far worse than both of those guys combined (Though to be fair, there are probably a lot of Incels in Antifa...)
@@truenews8357 Oh good. You're one of those trolls that go from comment to comment, but have no creativity. Boring.
@@redactedflinn6988 To be fair, Antifa's main stated goal isn't to be a masculine larp festival for insecure incels but ok. Right wing terrorism has consistently kills 2x or more of left wing terrorists every year but feelings matter more than facts for you it seems. Same thing with BLM and Antifa, they rarely kill anybody and the damage done my them is negligible when compared to protests in the 70s.
@@stonebaxter Oh good, you have no argument, next.
“Let’s do an all female Fight Club remake”
Uhh...why???
“I felt like destroying something beautiful...”
Yeah, how is that one going by the way?
Their was a newspaper (can’t remember which) that did ask that. Cause you know, women always hits, and fight each other
Never gonna work, double standards is so ‘wrong’.... Jessica Chastin should be in it.
Like Hollywood could write a flawed woman
It's called "Chick Fight" and it looks fucking terrible.
The Pixies “Where Is My Mind” at the end just ties the whole movie together in a nice fucking bow.
Yeah. What an epic moment when the song reaches its peak and all the buildings blow up. Such a fantastic piece of art made there.
"We're a generation of men raised by women."
That's more true today than ever, and it shows.
"I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need"
@@TheMasterGamer21 GAAAAY!!!
Thats actually a good thing.
@@zimonslot it's good and bad. Truthfully we should all have both parents in our lives and in the house especially during the formative years. Having just one throws some things off whether it's just dad or just mom. Now of course everyone's circumstance is different, people get sick or die, maybe some sort of abuse is involved
@@Icanonlycountto4 yeah true
"Okay, now you're firing a gun at your imaginary friend. Near 400 gallons of nitroglycerin!"
This movie is absolutely perfect.
How do I see you in every comment section I look at
@@curt3019 SAME! From anime to politics to critical reviews and commentary.
Well well well if it isn't Loli. your new berserk video seems dope but I won't watch cause I want to read berserk first. love your content tho
Add to that the absolute perfection of Brad Pitt's bombastically spasmatic gestures as he yells "400 GALLONS OF NITROGLYCERIN!"
Hey AlmightyLoli
This movie follows the main rules of filmic trascendence:
- Being actually smart and controversial without going down the pretentious road.
- A director that actually knows what he's doing, what he wants to do, and what message to convey.
- Characters that are memorable and resonate with us no matter when, why or how.
It is the same with what Stanley Kubrick did with, "A Clockwork Orange"... ;)
@@SogoTX yeah.
He is one of my favorite directors too.
true but it's more than that. arts in general try, or strive, to be syncretic, andt theater and cinema do it best. by "syncretic" I mean that the audience is a pyramid that is composed of layers of different cultures, beliefs, intelligence and so on. so when the audience watches a movie like this, or like "Clockwork", different people understand different parts from it. In other words, the top of the pyramid understands the existential problems within Fight Club, and the bottom of the pyramid think it is a action/fighting movie. As a form of art, it is not judging the audience, it gives something for everyone. And there are so few movies that do this, it's way harder than it appears and it's so unappreciated.
@@alexbolog3635 very true. And also because its director is not a whiny ideologue who'll drop the -ism card when its movie doesn't get viewers.
@Badachelli considering that the entire movie is a satire and that most people missed that point - even with Chuck Palanuik broadcasting this fact for decades - yeah, it's better than "smart".
For an example of some of the depths of hidden gems throughout the film, lookup the history of "Paper Street" in regards to maps - it was a convention of map makers to include a fake/imaginary road called Paper Street as a means of catching out those plagiarising their content. When you combine this with the address on the business card, as well as that the number on the house itself differs from this (1B - "they only give letters to shitty basement apartments") you then realise that the whole house was nothing but a figment of "Jack's" imagination.
This is one of the best movies in all of the cinematic world. Well written, acted, edited, smart, creative and on and on. It is timeless.
Yup, timeless
Funny that this movie and others like American Beauty, The Matrix and Office Space that were released in 1999, had the same themes about a male protagonist that were breaking free from the mundane white collar work and finding their own identity and freedom.
That was the entire premise of the James Bond franchise, launched when men were bound to our jobs, wives and kids and no longer able to travel the world, drink and screw exotic women.
Just a coincidence. Or was it?
I don't think the protagonist of Fight Club was on a transgender bender, like apparently Neo is according to the directors "siblings"...
American Beauty was the shit one of that batch. Author was probably just as leftist as the Matrix siblings but at least the Matrix kept the politics on the down low.
@@el_killorcure Sure the directors of The Matrix changed their gender and probably that's the reason why they attached such a meaning into the film. But it's certainly not originally about that, while it has really deep meaning and balancing your feminine and masculine energies are part of that. But having balanced energies/sides doesn't make one a trans, it just elevates your gender.
A hint they put in that most people miss: When Tyler drives the car off the road and it crashes upside down, Tyler gets out of the passenger side and pulls the Narrator out of the driver side.
Here's the thing about Fight Club's big twist: it doesn't matter how many times or how many ways they foreshadow it because the movie's surreal and over-the-top aesthetic successfully lulls you into thinking it's all part of "the show". You don't stop and think about why he's seeing weird one-frame inserts of Tyler all the time, or why Tyler got out of the wrong side of the car after the crash, because these things don't seem out of place given the fever-dream insanity of the entire movie. I have to imagine this was intentional on the part of Fincher; he used hyper-stylized cinematography to obscure the clues he was dropping in plain sight.
@@wholetyouinhere It was intentional. In fact, there's a director's commentary where Fincher talks about how the continuity team noticed the "mistake" and were assuming they'd have to reshoot the crash scene (Most of the movie crew didn't know about the ending yet). Fincher told them never mind, he didn't want to reshoot, since he actually planned the scene that way.
Great catch!
Thats not the best clue in that scene. There is another much more subtle one that all the "clever" people miss.
One of the best movies EVER made. And it's still 100% relevant to this day. Nothing has changed since this movie came out.
It changed. A lot of Project Mayhem Tyler Durdans got in power all across the globe.
Things have only kept on their trajectory, and gotten worse.
The music has just got shitter
if anything the slippery slope turned into a cliff where crazy people are actively pushing people over the initial graient.
Yes, I agree. It had been going on long before this movie was made.
As Hanma Yujiro says, "Fighting is about liberating your power. That cathartic release is impossible without exerting strength"
“It’s only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to anything.” Tyler Durden
I believe we call that a man who's got nothing to lose which is the most intimidating kind of person
"You Only Have Power Over People So Long As You Don't Take Everything Away From Them. But When You've Robbed A Man Of Everything He's No Longer In Your Power -- He's Free Again."
SOLZHENITSYN
My favorite line
Thats the only way back. All of us angry keyboard warriors need to lose all our possessions, then we will be free to fight for our freedoms.
@@dezznutz3743 Yeah in theory, in practice it's just a fantasy
You've recommended this at a very strange time in our lives.
a time of strong diverse female characters.....
0:22 - 0:26 What the Critical Drinker actually does on the streets of Glasgow after a piss-up.
Almost every line from the script is quotable. And has some meaning, not just sounding cool. Exceptional.
The part I liked most about the movie was the smart...they didn't assume the audience was stoopid. It's nice when corporate swab jockeys give you proper respect and make a movie that treats you right.
So true. It took me many rewatchings to pick all the little clues along the way haha
Very true. In some ways it was written for different audiences. I had friends who went to see it who saw it as a manly action flick more than anything, as well as female friends who saw it as a celebration of masculinity that they found almost erotic. And then there are the deeper themes of alienation and anomie that those of us raised in the same generation as Tyler felt our whole lives and that this movie finally put into words for us. Still amazed 20 years later that Fincher was given this level of creative control from a mainstream studio to make the movie he wanted, that almost perfectly captured the novel it was based on.
I saw this movie for the first time last year. I was literally mindblown that it was so on the money about what’s wrong with men’s supposed place and nature in current society.
Then I got depressed when I realized that that meant it’s been over twenty years of society not listening to this sort of conscience.
I'm not arguing with you but what are you going to do about it? What laws do you want to be passed? What initiatives are you going to take?
I consider it primarily a cultural sickness. Cultures are tricky things to change and it can’t be done artificially. I consider personal development and outspoken honesty the simplest way to grow oneself into an opponent of such things. It requires constant iteration and improvement but so long as you can question premises, and otherwise play your own cards while getting through the system’s defenses, things will change at least locally.
And that’s inclusion critical of one’s own methods rather than hollow activism etc.
There’s no intellectual shortcut to engineering a better society. Such things are inevitably authoritarian. I’d be lying if I said I had an explicit game-plan, suffice to say I have faith in rugged individualism of a sufficient depth to stand firm against the motives of weak minded people as I believe to run society in the wrong direction.
If you can live up to being a good man, you become an enemy of malicious people simply be securing your own life and values.
Hard to say where that road leads, but I know somewhere other than where we’re headed is a risk worth taking.
*an that includes critiques of one’s own...
@@lamontkhoza2856 you cant fix something when you dont understand the root cause, you're wasting your time playing devils advocate like this because you're far more clueless than the guy you're questioning.
@@Vihara2 I never claimed that I knew more then him bruh. You're putting words in my mouth that I never said or implied. I simply asked a question of what he would do to fix the problems.
Brad Pitt: "If you could fight anyone, who would it be??"
Ed Norton: "William Shatner. I'd fight William Shatner." 😂😂😂
@CaptainAwesomesworld 60's Star Trek Shatner would make for a great fight. 🤔😂 They could play that Trek fight music in the background. 😂😂😂
I'd fight me.
And have done after one too many bleach cocktails.
Haha, the next answer is "My Dad," which William Shatner and Patrick Stewart were to a lot of kids.
@@Dr_Robodaz Clone fight!!! 😂😂
@@EyeInTheSky982 .
*Knee to the stomach*
*Double fist to the back*
Young me, 14, this movie was life-changing. It gets better every year as I work retail, deal with corporate bs, and feel Jack's angst all too keenly. I know this movie was targeted towards men only, but it resonates with me still.
Marla is a Queen. Her flaws make her more compelling. Give me more Marla and less She-Hulk, thanks
"We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is what we need." Tyler
Depends on the woman.
Though my mother was less than a good parent, my wife made life bearable.
No matter how shitty everything got, she made enduring it, worth it.
I'll always miss her, and this shit world is twice as crappy, without her in it.
A far cry from the "women" you find today.
Not really, they should add to your life, not be the reason for you to live it. That's dangerous otherwise.
Nah, it'll be fine.
tyler og mgtow lol
He was the bad guy. He was _wrong._
Fun Fact: Brad Pitt's stunt double in this and a bunch of other movies, was David Leitch. You may know him as one of the creators of the John Wick franchise and also director of movies like ''Atomic Blonde'',''Deadpool 2'' or ''Hobbs & Shaw''.
He's currently working on a new action movie with Brad Pitt.
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“The Critical Drinker.” Is Will Jordan’s, “Tyler Durden.”
@I Tried This At Home The third rule: You do not talk about Captain Marvel (2019)!
Spot on!!
Is Critical Drinker building an army?
I buy the book, and I support The Critical Drinker.
@@markparkinson6947 4th rule: Kurtzman deserves death
Ever notice how when he calls Tyler from the pay phone, and Tyler calls him back, that as if zooms into the phone, you can clearly see the “No Incoming Calls” sticker that most pay phones in the US have, as incoming calls are blocked.
Junior year of HS, friends worked at the local theater. They invited me to their employee screening to this gem 2 days before it premiered. Knew nothing about it outside of the title. Didnt know i would be watching the most important film of my life. Paul and Matt, where ever you guys are, thanks again for takin me to this.
I put this movie on around New Years just as I do with films like Die Hard, the Christmas Carol and Elf on Christmas Day; it’s a tradition for me and the ending of Fight Club always stays with you.
Never thought of it like that before but goddamn it you're right
Fun fact: This is probably the only really interesting movie that takes place in Delaware.
"Hi...I'm in...Delaware..." O_O
@@theshipoffools My condolences.
@@theshipoffools excellent!
but does it, really?
Other than Hunter Biden's home movies?
One of the rare instances where I am never sure whether the book or movie is better. And the answer is: Yes.
Heard somewhere that the Author of the book said himself that he liked the movie better with the slight changed Fincher made to it. Can't confirm tho, but fascinating if true.
@@PemaMendez990 yes, he said it on Joe Rogan's podcast
I must have watched this 20 times before I realised you never actually get his name... I am Jack's complete lack of observation.
Even in the credits Edward Norton is listed as "The Narrator".
This is one of my favorite movies of all time and knew it was a masterpiece when I first watched it when I was like 10. I didn't realize that "Jack" didn't say his name the entire movie until like a decade later. My mind was blow.
That’s the point. We are all jack. You are Jack, I’m jack, whoever needs it at the time is Jack.
As far as I know, I think I've glimpsed his name somewhere to be "Cornelius". However - I might be totally wrong... Or totally drunk now. Not sure... 🤷♂️
Jack IS Tyler Durden...
Ebert called this movie "macho-porn" I don't think he knew how much that complimented the film and its message.
Porn never was a bad thing. It's necessary in fact.
Roger Ebert also called John Carpernter's ''The Thing'', I quote: ''a mindless gorefest.''
I think that speaks volumes about the guy and professional movie critics in general.
@@SuperiorGamerNathan He disliked the original Blade Runner. And he wasn't fond of the Shining. But later he gave a good review? in one of his books. I dunno. He wasn't the best reviewer.
Well, for those that read the book, Fight Club has nothing to do with fighting.
@@luchomscyfy Did you know porn comes from a ancient Greek word for "slut" making gay porn kind of an oxymoron, but just like a lot of redundant things like dry ice does not mean that it does not exist.
"I'm so old, I don't even remember the first rule of Fight club" - Brad Pitt
"Exactly sir."
1 don't talk about it
2 DON'T TALK ABOUT IT
3 say stop go limp or tap out fight is over
4 only 2 guys to a fight
5 one fight at a time
6 no shirts, no shoes
7 fights will go on as long as needed
8 if this is your first time YOU HAVE TO FIGHT
😈
His first rule should have been "don't marry Angelina Jolie". That woman ruined him.
I remember watching this film and seeing apparitions of Brad Pitt placed throughout the film. Just random scenes where he was standing in the background. Kinda like a subliminal message. His imaginary friend. Amazing
What's really cool is that Tyler's brief appearances are not random. Tyler begins to appear at all the points in Jack's life that he is unable to cope with: his job, his insomnia, Marla and the therapy groups. This signifies Jack beginning to form a new personality to deal with all the issues in his life he can't tackle on his own.
I, also, miss movies like this. How long since we've had such a smart and almost perfect movie.
This movie couldn't be made today, and that's really depressing.
Jocker?
Easily Parasite.
I think the coolest thing about the twist reveal is that Tyler and Jack never talk to the same person in one scene, even when they're both on screen
"On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero."
"First you have to know, not fear; know, that someday you're gonna die."
Two lines that severely eroded my tolerance for other people's bullshit.
Absolutely
"This is your life, and it's ending, one minute at a time."
Interestingly,Marcus Aurelius writes something very similar in his Meditations:
(Paraphrased)''Your life is just a moment in eternity.So what is a moment's worth?''
Lt Speirs carried the same philosophy in Band of Brothers
Those two lines right there are what we as a nation living in terror of a pandemic need to hear. If more people understood that simple fact- that we are all mortal and will eventually die- we wouldn’t be so terrified of a mere virus.
This is my 2nd favorite film of 1999, only thing is the greatest science fiction film ever made came out that same year The Matrix. Both films are in my top 10 of all time.
Those are my two favorite 90’s movies as well.
i liked Terminator 2, Se7en and Shawshank as well from the 90s
1999. The year when there were so many computers in movies….
Jack's self beating in front of his boss was another solid foreshadowing of the dual personality. Too bad that the imagination of screenwriters today is so unimaginative and PC.
"it reminded me of my first fight with Tyler" - something along those lines
@@100_JAB yup! :)
To be fair even screenwriters back then were unimaginative, Palahniuk wrote this and sold the movie rights to Hollywood. Even in the 90s Hollywood was bland and PC.
@@PearlJamaholic idk man reservoir dogs and pulp fiction both came out in that decade. Maybe Tarantino and a few others like him are outliers though.
@@PearlJamaholic Making a Movie based on a book doesn’t make it unimaginative.
The Drinker: Recommends... Fight Club
Me: I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
I've been waiting 20 years to use that line.
No one talks to me though.
@@crazyjaybe sometimes in order to have an intelligent conversation one is forced to speak to himself.
@@sozo_jamma1593 I do that all the time. Everyone else are stupid.
Fight Club is one of those films that ages like a fine wine.
Hands down, this is my favourite movie of all time.
I like many other classics, but this is at the top of my DVD shelf.
Remember back in the 90s, when the biggest existential threat to mankind was nothing exciting happening in the world? Ah, those were the days.
and Fukuyama's "End of History And The Last Man". What a shit for brains that guy turned out to be.
It's like that Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times".
Interesting and exciting unfortunately aren't always good.
Example: the last 8 months of 2020...😧
@@hamyncheese Yup, that concept was so transparently stupid on its face. Like the Laffer curve.
The threats we face to today are the threats that were being cultivated before we were born. We were simply blissfully unaware of the danger. Now we do know, and we do nothing.
Exciting times SUCK. I'm TIRED of living through history this way!
His name is Will Jordan. When drunk, a writer has no name.
Ten bucks says it's a pen name bro
@@Pərfectchāøs His real name is Critical Drinker
@@bucknasty69 it always will be.
"We have just lost cabin pressure." I so want to use that line someday.
Life insurance pays off triple if you die on a business trip.
One day when autonomous vehicles are normal and traveling at 600 mph, you will surely have the chance
Uh, yeah, that's not a weird thing to want to happen to you at all. I really hope you're not a flight attendant. Lol
Literally the most terrifyingly exciting thing a person can experience, along with the satisfaction of knowing a loved one will cash in on your corpse.
I used the Marla line "your the worst thing thats ever happened to me" when my ex and I parted ways.:-)
Great piece of trivia...MTV's movie awards gave fight club the "best fight scene"award for Jack against himself in the office scene...😃👌
“We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And 're very, very pissed off." -- Tyler Durden
Uttered by Brad Pitt, a millionaire movie god and potential rock star.
@@steveouk90126 No. It was uttered by Tyler Durden; the character Pitt was depicting.
My favorite line from the movie, right there.
I fucking love that line, I believed that lie but I’m waking up to live in the real world
@@callmeej8399 Did you have on "ah ha!" moment or was it a slow series of realisations?
If this was made today we’d get a crap snl skit claiming white male rage.
😂😭
there was plenty of that when it came out. check out roger ebert's review.
Instead, we got the MadTV sketch, Fight Like a Girl Club
@@hoorayimhelping3978 He was a hack. Ebert wouldn't know a good movie if it dug him up, turned him in his grave, and buried him again.
But THIS IS white male rage. It's a commentary on it along with other themes, lmao.
Edward Nortons' performances in Fight Club and American History X have, in my opinion, always been absolutely unfathomable greatness. Put simply, it doesn't just feel like he's acting. He's a human being with a well defined personality in both, and it fits him so well you sometimes forget you're watching a movie. The biggest names in acting are obvious - and they can definitely act - but I find it a tragedy that Norton never had the successes to go with his talents. Oh well.
I completely agree. The insane difference between those two characters reminds me of Hal and Walter White.
The best story about this movie is when the executives wanted the line “I want to have your abortion!” changed. The director agreed on the condition that they couldn’t complain about it again so they changed it to “I haven’t been fucked like this since grade school!”
Way to stick it to the man!
Second line is better anyway. First one had been a throwaway black humor joke for a while. Second was, as far as I know, new and unique.
Cheers to the origin of the term "snowflake".
Same year 99 the Matrix conied the red pill ... And this dude said mediocre decade ... The last best music and movies before the millennials decadence.
@@TestTest-tj9io I think the mediocrity of the decade allowed for some peace and quiet, which led to some quality reflection, which in turn led to some of the greatest art our species has ever created... Couldn't have written these stories or produced these films while getting torn apart on foreign soil(s).
@@TestTest-tj9io doubt its decadence by choice, there's nothing left to do, our aims and hopes were forced on us by our parents, "get good grades and you'll get a good job etc" when not realising that all the good jobs were taken by the less qualified parents. All the housing was over priced by the grandparents still living in them. The lack of preparation for this pandemic, despite the warnings for decades of one, was because of gen x career politicians. The snowflakes of the boomer generation, the ones who didn't die in conflict during that era, the hippies, were the teachers of the millennial and zoomers. When the only thing thats left in society is coldness where your value as a person is simply just a number for taxes, then of course there are people screaming into the void of mediocrity. When each generation is taught from 5 years and onwards, to get a good job, a house, a car etc. But never anything more meaningful. The system produces workers, and as humanity merges its cultures etc, eventually it'll become more homogeneous, bland and safe... to cater to the masses and not the individual.
@@rebeccaconlon9743 This is so true. I'm gen-x, spent my 20's in the 1990's as a slacker, bouncing between jobs and college without feeling like my boomer parents ever prepared me for anything or gave me any real direction in life because they already had everything they needed from their generation - which sacrificed so much to give it to them. We were raised by latchkey parents and teachers who were mostly leftover hippies from the 70's.
When this movie came out it spoke to me and the people I knew like nothing in our experience ever had. All of the sudden there was this voice (Tyler's) telling us exactly why we felt the way we did, what the source of our anomie and apathy was. It was a huge eye-opener at the time, for the people who it seemed to be made for.
@@Raskolnikov70 look at the generational analysis of RugRats, can't remember who did it, you might find it both funny and thought provoking, it was really all about boomer parents looking after babies.
Wow, never realized Edward Norton’s character was unnamed. My whole life has been nothing but lies.
He is credited as the narrator of the film. He actually doesn't have a character title.
What did you think the characters name was?
@@dread9030 Jasper
Dread cornealeus, Rupert, maybe one of those silly names he gives each night.
I think it's technically "Jack" since he was reading the books about the organs in first person, it's hypothesized that he was using his own first name when reading them, since later he still refers to first person reactions as "I am Jacks inner rage" "I am Jack's cold sweat" and so forth I might have butchered the quotes a little since it's from memory. The actual Fight Club book by Chuck Palahniuk also gives off the feeling that he really was just inserting his name when reading those organ books.
The middle children of history.
Truly, gen X is forgotten.
Nah,they're the second-eldest generation now-I'd like to think that they'd mellowed out by now,y'think?
Sharon Spears-mandeville yes and no.
You are not anymore, you have the biggest economic depression in history and a new revolution is coming
Yeah, Gen X cancelled by modern progressives, while they hate on us across the internet that Gen X invented, and play video games that Gen X invented. Gen X should have worn more condoms.
I remember renting it from Blockbuster knowing nothing about it, I started off a bit confused, then it seemed to all come together... Then it kicks you in the face and laughs at your missing teeth at the end. Brilliant.
Same here.
" I haven't been f***ed like that since grade school." Very rarely does a movie come along that remains quotable so many years after release all the while getting even more relevant to all the bullshit going on in this world. An all time fave every adult male should see at least once.
And that was actually a replacement line. The original line from the novel was, “I wanna have your abortion.”
But I'm pretty sure the country she's from, gradeschool would include high-school. So the actress didn't know what she said until later.
@@larrybrander9116 lol no
@@alpha-cf2oi Yes. She's from England. We don't have "grade school" in any form. But it's been confirmed by the actress and the film makers that she assumed grade school went up to American highschool
It’s not just men who love this movie.
'Raised on the end of a mediocre decade'
Dude, if I could go back to the 90's I would do so without a second thought...
Same!
Same here man, I was born in 95. If the 90s were medicore what do you call the current era we live in lol ?
I'd say the 90's were the last great decade.
Same here. I was born at the tail end of 84. Saw and remember the 90s very well and I wish I could go back.
I would too, but 80's would be my first choice.
This and Demolition Man were grave portents of the future.
I love Demolition Man but I was amazed just how much Stallone was doubled 🤣 Going back and watching the old Arnie flicks revealed much the same. Strange how they're considered action stars.
Indeed ! I was just telling some friends about Demolition Man a couple of months ago, and how it reflected 2020 eerily well.
@@LethalShadow 2020? This has been brewing since 2013.
I feel like every man reaches a point in his life where this story hits them completely.
The concerning thought is that some of them miss the point of the story and don't seem to realise Tyler Durden is the 'bad guy'.
@@Blisterdude123 Who decides what is good & evil though? Society and what did Tyler say about society? "Reject the basic assumptions of civilization..."
He is a guy who doesn't give a fuck about what others think about him. He follows his own moral code which is rather raw sure, but he didn't force violence to people who didn't wanted to particapate in it. It first started with the fight clubs and grew larger the more ppl flocked to the idea, the idea of rejecting a comfortable, but meaningless life.
The crucial question though is, did he intentionally cultivate a cult of personalty? I don't think so, although we primarily see Tyler trough the eyes of jack and therfore don't get the whole picture of Tyler's action, it is hinted in the movie that he is more of a thread puller always on the move and one step ahead. A Cult leader would put himself more in the spotlight.
He is neither good nor bad, he surely has anti social behaviour and is a sociopath but who decides that those characteristics alone automaticly make him a bad/evil person?
@@twistedmetal04 Tyler Durden is a bad person. Fight Club is about the Narrator coming out the other end of some serious psychological issues. He's a product of incredibly an incredibly self-damaging mental coping mechanism. That's literally what the story is about, the Narrator growing up and realising that, taken to excess.
Watched it last night after at least 15 years. I'm watching as Tyler Durden says "everything you own ends up owning you" i look around my nice house and cars on the drive and I'm like... yeah, never has a truer word been spoken.
Two years later… have you changed?
This is like saying the drinker recommends alcohol. It's basically a given.
Absolutely
I try and use the quote "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone is zero." as much as possible
my get to work heavy metal playlist on my ipod is "i am jacks infinite rage"
"The things you own end up owning you." - the wisest thing I've ever heard.
I love the moment, when You first learn the truth about Tyler and then watch the movie again. It's a completely different watching experience the second time, all the hints are there, and it's just beautifully put together. One of my all-time favorites 🙌🏼 God how I miss the movies from the 90's...
This movie single handedly ended a close friendship with my best mate. We used to go to the movies all the time, but when I went to see Fight Club one Friday night, he was busy so I saw it alone and was blown away by it and had an instant connection with it. I raved about it to him, so he went off to see it mid week. When I saw him again he told me he absolutely hated it and had walked out on it well before the ending. It was weird because after that he wasnt interested in seeing movies with me anymore, and a few months later he was raving about some movie that I couldnt stand, and we realised we had somehow grown apart. I was in my 20's then and rocked the Brad Pitt look, and almost bought the red Tyler Durden jacket when it came up for auction on ebay. This is one of my most favourite movies of all time.
The first time I saw it I hated it too. My head wasn't in it and I stopped watching as well. It was a good mate who recommended it to me again and I gave it a chance.
What can I say it is now definitely one of my top 5 movies.
My cousin wanted to rent it back in the day and I didn’t want to watch it he didn’t like the movie but it is on my top 5 favourite movie of all time
What was the other movie he was raving about that you couldn't stand? Steel Magnolias?
Did he say what he hated about it? Did he become a sjw later?
@@TheTurinturumbar The guy is a complete opposite of an sjw, he was a young tradesman obsessed with making as much money as soon as possible by working every spare moment he had. He hated the Edward Norton character, he saw him as a loser for throwing away his career and becoming effectively homeless. He didnt like the air crash scene because of how suicidal it was. The character was the complete opposite to how he viewed life. When he found out Tyler Durden was an imaginary character he said he'd never waste his time trying to watch it again.
Your channel has truly been an outlet for me. I love your honest, crass takes on movies and video games. Hope you do more video games in the future. It's amazing how your channel has grown. Your like the Jordan Peterson of movie reviews.
The soundtrack for this film also deserves a mention. The track "Finding the Bomb" has always stood out to me.
Nah, 'Stealing Fat' is way cooler.
Tom Waits's "Goin' Out West"
awesome soundtrack man!! I listen to it sometimes while working it's pretty chill
This is the only movie I ever re-watched immediately after seeing it. Then I told one of my friends back then to watch it, which I seldom gave recommendations. Next time I saw him he said "you're not your fuckin' khakis" and he was hooked.
I watched it the first time when I was 19, in the middle of the night, after several drinks. It blew my mind, and it's been blown ever since. Every time I watch it it gets better, it's the most condensed movie I have ever seen, every line of dialogue is there for a reason, this movie has no filler content.
It is only after you have lost everything, that you are free to do anything.
What my life has taught me too.
@@nhmooytis7058 Tyler had a lot of those pearls of wisdom. I think the Drinker summed it up better than I have heard before.
@@patwaters3486 yup his reviews are excellent AND funny!
Because of this movie I learned what those spots on film mean.
I was a projectionist at the time, and using the old two projector setup, those dots still bring a chill, if you miss them, everyone in the cinema knows you ballsed up !
@@grahameida7163 I could imagine :)
another possibly dated aspect of the film along with the degaussing of video cassettes.. do movies even come on film any more? I haven't noticed the dots in years. Been wondering if they just come on a thumb drive or something today. I was a projectionist in the late 80's / early 90's too.. but we at least had the platters. Still had to splice the movies together from the little 15 min reels though.. and thake them back apart again..
@@Turk380 all films are distributed on hard drives now, end of a era, I remember making sure those dots were there good and strong over scratchings them with my little machine, and cursing you guys re spooling the reels backwards and out of order 🤣
@@grahameida7163 DUDE.. one our other guys once spooled up a reel backwards and reversed L-R, *IN THE MIDDLE OF DIE HARD II* - wasn't caught until the 1st showing to a packed house Friday night!! talk about nightmares..
" we should watch this movie again sometime. " *bottle drop*
The "human fat" scene was way funnier in the book. Marla had been keeping the fat in the fridge so she could use it for lip injections. Her mother was the "donor," and the boys took it to make soap, pissing off Marla...But the punch line is that Tyler had been sending chocolates to her, to later be sucked out.
also hilariously funny and horrifying when you realize how sick fuck of a Narrator/Jack/Sebastian is when he was imagining all that shit up
Such a shame I was never able to see this thing through.
His name is Robert Paulson.
His name is Robert Paulson.
His name is Robert Paulson.
His name is Robert Paulson
His name is Robert Paulson.
Fight Club is one of the best movies of all time. I can relate.
Also: Pixies - "Where is my mind"
Surely one of the best movies ever made. From the story to the cinematography to the performances to the soundtrack. Wildly imaginative, intense, dark, funny. It's an absolute masterpiece. The only problem is that you're hard pressed to find something to enjoy after this.
That moment when he beats Lou, not with violence or his army, but by being the guy to take the beating. It's a very Jesus moment, showing his willingness to sacrifice himself for the cause. And then he climbs on Lou and bleeds all over him, so dark, so perfect. He won what he was fighting for, even if he didn't win the fight. This is one of those movies you watch with a new friend in silence and you wait to hear their opinion before you decided if you need to throw them out and burn the number. A few years ago I wrote a paper on this movie for a college communications class, I got a D because the topic was feminism.. and I had.. "contrary opinions".
Sounds like an interesting read X'D
I’d love to read it if you wouldn’t mind posting a link. Sounds interesting.
The actor playing Lou didn't know Pitt was going to do the blood thing onto him and he completely lost it... that's why it looks SO realistic in the scene.
(In your paper, I hope you pointed out that feminism is NOT about, "equality"). ;)
😅😅😅😅😅
@@SogoTX Wow, thanks for that bit of knowledge, that terror is primal! That moment changes everything about this movie. Good on that actor not to tap out but tap into it. 'You don't know where I've been Lou! ' give me chills 10/10
This movie was well before its time, and it's themes are just as relevant in 2020. "The Things you own end up owning you", is the most poignant message, which has resonated with me to this very day. ☺️💟
Imagine the Drinker in a Scottish remake of Fight Club!
I’d dig it
They should never remake fight club.
Thats just a normal Tuesday in Scotland
@James Murphy 😂
@@riograndedosulball248 😂
Maybe the real fight club was the friends we made along the way.
"You don't know where I've been, Lou"
LMFAO
One of my favorite Lin’s in cinema history: “Sticking feathers up your butt doesn’t make you a chicken.” Cinema gold.
I use that line to describe trans people.
@@butthz8850 it is the heart of the issue.
It boils down to them demanding to participate in a delusion.
Wait? What? It doesn't?
Ummm...
Ummm...
Anyone want to buy some slightly used chicken feathers? Asking for a friend.
I still use that phrase 20 years later 😆
The dust brothers electronic soundtrack was also something new and different. It was a fantastic tone setter and communicated well The Narrator's feelings and the direction of the movie.
It also sounded a lot like basic soundtrack from the matrix, surely inspired the Wachowskis.
This was a great summary. Tyler was right and by so was Thanos. It's really weird that yesterday's villains are today's hero's.
Kids today will never know the joy of spotting cigarette burns on films at the theater.
One of the saddest things I realized is that when older movies are released on DVD or BluRay in "remastered" versions, they take those cigarette burns out. Used to enjoy looking for them...
Not even a week after seeing Fight club I saw a "cigarette burn" in theater. Gave me a small chuckle
@@Raskolnikov70 Projectionist here - the cue marks on the print are added specifically for the big screen release by cutting holes in the production negative, so they are arguably the abberation, not the remastered version sourced from an unadulterated copy. Cigarette burns were also a largely obsolete feature by the time Fight Club called attention to them. By that time it was common practice for movies to be "built" upon arrival at the cinema, effectively taking all the individual reels and winding them together on to a single large vertical reel or a horizontal platter. This reduced the complexity of the projectionist's job at multiplex theatres, allowing them to run with smaller staff numbers. You can also use this technique to show the same print on multiple screens at once by staggering the start times by 10-20mins without fear of getting into a situation where you have more simultaneous reel changeovers to handle than you have projectionists.
@Lord Brain Older movies that were released on VHS or DVD usually left the cigarette burns in because they were made by transferring film stock that had been sent out to theaters - read Stoney Mahoney's comment below. When they do a remastered version, they do the transfer with the original master copies held by the studios (if they're still available) then digitally clean them up by removing all of the scratches or imperfections, doing color correction if necessary, basically the digital equivalent of retouching a painting. The cigarette burns always get removed because as Stoney said, they're not considered part of the original master copy of the film.
I've been doing mostly 80s, but some early 90s movies with the teenage kids. It's about time I take them to a late 90s masterpiece.
When I had a bad MRSA infection, it was basically like a tumor coming out of my arm. In honor of fight club, I named it Marla
Long time listener of the drinker, soon to be first time reader of will jordan... can’t wait to start with Redemption... 😀
This video is right on. I actually saw this movie in the theater. I was part of that generation. Critical Drinker hits the nail on the head. This movie underscored how a lot of us felt on, as you put it, a much more “fundamental “ level than simple anti-capitalist propaganda. “Our war is a spiritual war. Our Great Depression is our lives” was something that rang true with a lot of people of that generation.
Tyler Durden did nothing wrong.
Well... almost nothing.
@dustisdeadbodies85 he is an idea
I was about 17 when this movie came out and it basically blew my mind. I connected with it on a level I really hadn't connected with a movie before thematically. Also, from a craft perspective, it's incredibly well done. Even all these years later it's still firmly in my top 5.
Didn't appeal to me at the time. I watched it later on HBO and caught the end. My jaw was on the floor.