Something I also noticed is the fact that the descendant has control over the energies of the void without limitations, an example is the fact that he uses Magmarion's power without him knowing since he says: "How did you get this power?"; which suggests that he just decided to use this power.
Eclipse may isnt actually a thing in the lore + she is featless, no statements or feats. Gameplay mechanics arent a way to judge the powerlevels or scaling. Chaos June would no diff her.
5:53 you forgot to add one thing , May didn't get power after getting kidnapped by titan. She already had those powers , it was mentioned in SF3's epilogue that May was a shadow demon like Lynx and other ones. Shadow loved her because she didn't have any evil mind like others and she left her immortality (LYNX Even mocked her after he lost to her by saying, how did it feel like after throwing away her demon power and immortality just for a life of a mortal).
Vaya, nunca dude que proximus pudiera vencer a Shadow, pero no pensé que Stranger sería más débil, aunque con tus argumentos tiene mucho sentido. TOTALMENTE DE ACUERDO, GRAN VIDEO😊😊
Stranger tendría muchas posibilidades de derrotar a Shadow, si tan solo fuera una persona real, no solo una mera posibilidad de existencia. Todavía mostró mucho para alguien que ni siquiera está vivo. Tenía un gran potencial, pero las probabilidades estaban en su contra desde el momento en que apareció en el mundo. Triste pero inspirador
I just wish that sf4 was after sf3, and the only way for that to happen was if shadow mind overcame descendant and managed to control him. Or descendant went insane, pretended to be shadow mind and forced everyone to fight
@@The_Gaming_Dragonpor eso SF4 es un universo alternativo, una forma de limpiarse las manos y tener la libertad de hacer cosas locas y meter personajes variados sin dañar la historia original, y por eso creo que SF4 o SFA nunca será secuela directa de SF3
Let me told you about Xiang Tzu i am Not English Guy so try to understand will Xiang Tzu born in Dynasty He lost his Parents in Teenag He Grow up in Master galan,s school Galan trand him When he Decided to participate in Tournament for dynasty but Master galan Brin Proximus to Tournament because June said so He Decided to Fight in the tournament for Heralds He did it but he lose against Proximus When Emperor Know that he Became angry And he Banned 🚫 Xaing tzu In Dynasty with the help of Emperor,s Adopted Daughter Kibo he Go to herald he Learn So much about Heralds style but then A Famous Doctor Azuma Fight with him Xaing tzu Defeat Him with disrespecting Azuma Report to him and He is Banned in Heralds too then he go to Legion where he meet Millennium wolf he Give him training to control Fire but Millennium Wolf is the leader of a Group who want to kill the King and become Independent Will Sarge Attack on their place Millennium wolf escape but Xiang tzu Was arrested he try hard to explain but sarge didn't Give him chance to explain that's the Story of Xiang tzu I wish you will Make new Video on it
I have studied everything you said many times this makes me more sad, because some people just have advantages in life, you can't out perform with hard work alone. Xiang Tzu went through all of what you said and still lost to Proximus As told in the video hard work will help you but not against someone who works just as hard as you but is also lucky or talented His story is very inspiring and tragic at the same time, I'll definitely make a video about him
I think that Proximus is Half Demon and Half Human because Proximus can easily control shadow mind without being turned into a Shadow against his will due to his demon side and He’s Human because he can express his emotions in a human way and looks human.
or maybe he inherited Shadow's potential Shadow also showed how he could fuse with it ( possibly due to defeating Titan ) without harming himself or going insane it was also mentioned directly that the only reason Proximus can control armorwalker is because he's Shadow's son
Agreed. These nostalgic sf2 fanboys need a reality check. This paragraph will explain stranger's powers and talk about his scaling. When stranger travels through worlds and time half a billion times and creates a half a billion copies of himself which have consciousness of their own, which fight and make stranger surpass shadow, and boosting his historical importance index way above shadow's. This means that stranger's will power is now the strongest in the entire verse. Everything goes according to his plan. Although stranger was never affected by shadow's historical importance index, he was simply beyond time, existed as a probability of existence, even inside the void when the world had been destroyed and everyone had died. He alone managed to bypass it and go above and beyond, surpassing shadow and his historical importance index. When he made shadow mind create a world just how stranger wished it. Shadow mind couldn't break his will. His will power made his historical importance so high that he simply wished shadow to not exist, by using reality warping, he switched places of shadow and may, such that shadow was the one who died instead of may...and shadow was erased. That's how strong stranger's will power was. He bent the entire world before his historical importance index. Even opened the gates, and destroyed and wiped out the entire world, and no one could stop him...and despite that, he still lives. Stranger is still alive and got what he wanted, due to his will power being so strong. His historical importance index is basically overpowered. Cutting the fabric of reality, being 4D feat, it is destroying a 4D structure, we saw this in epilogue battle in how he swings the sword in the air with his brute force, cut opening the fabric of reality. The fabric of reality is 4D because 3D is the space, and 1D is the time as well, a 4D structure was destoyed, making that feat itself universe+. And this is to be known that the historical importance index isn't a cloak, that one can wear and remove anytime. It's a part of his identity, a part of his self. Lynx states stranger to be stronger than fate itself. Stranger is well resistant to any manipulation of fate. Stranger broke the ongoing prophecy that mnemos had seen where the chosen hero beats stranger. But that prophecy was broken. And stranger never died. No matter the odds, someone would eventually save him before he dies. The vast power of historical importance index. It is the reality manipulation which stranger uses. The world will drive to his will by changing the course of history. Its what makes the world to actually come to a sense. He will get what he wants by the end of the day. Anyone who can drive the world into bending the world to his will by changing the course of history, someone who can survive existential eraser all because of will power, will also make the world suppress itself. Some notable feats of the historical importance index - Reality manipulation - Fate manipulation - Changing the course of history - Bending the world to his will - Surviving existential erasure - Reality warping So yes, shadow is dead as per stranger's ability to control reality, due to possessing the highest historical importance index. Lynx mentions stranger to be stronger than time itself. Stranger's mere presence was distorting time itself...when itu mentions "When the master took control of this world, the time itself became distorted. Turning into some ball of thread". And within those shadow threads, hundreds, thousands of people are trapped...between worlds and time. That included shadow and the real itu. Where we find them in marcus's plane ans fight them...They were stuck in that for 2000 years or so, as the real itu claims it to be. Transcend time can have other examples, it means going across, completely through, being beyond. It can include moving from one dimension to another, moving from one spacetime to another, teleportation, transcending a specific spatial dimension but not all possible spatial dimensions). Stranger can do all of that. He transcends time. Any character that transcends through space, time is extra dimensional, 5D, low 1-C. Anyone who can alter time, has the powers to suppress time itself. Another notable feat of stranger is that he simply broke the chains of time, he isn't tied with time, he isn't bound to it, he is above and beyond it, he is stronger than it. Heck, there's a direct statement in sf3 by kibo directly stating stranger to be beyond time itself. We have a clear statement for it, the feats are mentioned above. He even wrote the manuscript, freed the ancients, disguised as the liberator. You might wonder how old even is stranger? He was even the master of indigo when he disguised himself as the liberator. Indigo is the sister of Mnemos. Mnemos, ancient, also helped shadow in sf2. In sf3, he is said to be 11 thousand years old, you can say indigo would also be around there since she is the sister of mnemos. It would just mean that stranger had been there all along from the beginning as indigo said that stranger changed his absolute future. This should pretty much put stranger to low complex multiversal, 5D, as for now. One more thing i'd like to add here. Stranger heavily underestimated proximus in the epilogue battle. Stranger is holding back in the epilogue fight. He underestimated Proximus which is why he was holding back against proximus. If we look at it right in the fight scenario. Stranger had every possible advantage against proximus in the fight in every single scenario. But he was choosing to hold back. He could fly which he didn't. His entire strength could push the armour walker down to the ground (armour walker itself was bigger than titan), but he didn't choose to use his immense strength in the battle like it was nothing. He had the shield (similar to moira's amulet but blue - you could see this when you shot the rockets), but he chose to not use it in the fight. He could stop the flow of time and finish proximus, but he chose to cut the world and the fabric of reality by putting a cut in the air. He could easily defeat proximus that way. Including those feats which are mentioned above. And therefore stranger mentions to him in the fox hunt cameo that he underestimated him. Stranger says "I have to tell you this. I underestimated you. That was my mistake, and I apologize for it.". Shadow doesnt even come anywhere near to all of that.
Quiero dar mi opinión sobre Stranger y su pelea contra proximus, creo que la razón por la que Stranger podía volar en el primer asalto (cuando luchamos con el robot gigante) es porque tenía a la mente sombria dentro de él (parecido a lo que hizo Shadow cuando peleamos contra él), cómo la mente sombria podía volar, él también podía, pero luego extrae a la mente sombría de su cuerpo para convertirla en su arma, por eso ya no vuela en el segundo asaltó. No creo que se contuviera, si subestimó a Proximus al principio, pero luego pelea en serio.
@@el_gamepro2134No, he had been holding back the entire time which is why he also lost. Stranger does fly in round 3 at the bridge between even though he doesnt have shadow mind inside him. He is holding the world slicer in his hand and is still flying in the air even without shadow mind inside him.
Ahora hay que hacer una lista de los personajes más poderosos de shadow fight: Titan, rey de la legión, Shadow, Tenebris, etc. Y también añadir menciones honoríficas, es decir, personajes que son mencionados cómo muy poderosos pero no han tenido una aparición formal en los juegos: el coleccionista, o el libertador del vacio
Shadow was always stronger than the descendant. He never stood a chance against Shadow. However the more time travels he did more copies of him came. The one that taught mnemos and indigo was also a copy of stranger. One of his finest copies. As his copies grew stronger he did as well and then he surpassed shadow in power but shadow is not nerfed he grew even stronger
@The_Gaming_Dragon for some reason when I fail dodge Lynx's claw slap I get both poison and time bomb without lynx using range weapons But if we defeat him in eclipse mode and get his claws it's like the poison never existed.......
@@DreadHades-p9e in game mechanic that you can't obtain without mods similar to a katana from gates of shadow's which has two enchantment, if you enchant it with a different one, you'll only have a single enchantment
The answer is simple , Descendants are simply levels above Shadow. Ik this is frustrating to hear , I was annoyed with the story at first because I was a huge SF2 ever since 2016 and saw SF3 as some boring filler story but I was dead wrong. I completed Sf3 at 2023 and it was awesome
at raw strength with no plot power-ups, shadow is stronger than stranger but again, this dude made a lot of research and is quite smart, so he might deserve that "stronger" status
@@The_Gaming_Dragon btw , if you haven't played the side effect event(which is said to be a canonical event and is set to take place after Laws of Fire and Ice Adventure) Stranger is said to be Older than Shadow even though Stranger is his son. He left his copy in a time where the world is getting created , the void itself and it was Stranger(Liberator of the Mortals) himself who taught the Ancients like Mnemos and Indigo to fight. He gathered knowledge from all Multiverse all for himself to create the ultimate version of himself. Shadow never achieved this feat and since the main Character is the best version of Stranger(PLOT ARMOR) , he was able to beat Stranger. Stranger isn't actually that cruel anymore btw , he does have a soft side and did go for friendly duel with the Descendant. He even apologized for what he did in Gates plane (YES HE SURVIVED ALL OF THAT) and said he was hungry for power that time. Makes him a very well written character.
The thing is why people say "shadow got nerfed so bad" is due to the fact he beat all the eternals in the underworld. In the underworld eternals have the ability to get rid of shadow energy. And we know shadow having his whole self embodied in shadow energy at that time, and doing that takes ton of durability. Another thing is that he beated different embodiments and specifically Tenabris, which is the embodiment of the great void where all creation started which contains many universes/mulitverses, also created the rest of the eternals. Which is an insane Feat, further more if we acount for the HII (History importance index) shadow could quite literally be the most powerful man in the SF verse. He also beat architect (creator of the game) and other event bosses which could be canon or not.
underworld is non canon to SF3, if it is canon then it would be mentioned. And im specifically saying Underworld shadow. Sf2 shadow(after defeating titan) would still body stranger, let me prove it to you. Shadow defeated titan a world/universe conquerer with a count of 1000 precisely. but we aslo know that there could be 8,000,000,000 to countless and shadow did it by not travelling to 8 billion planes/unverses to copy clones of himself, but by merely existing alone is SF2. Yes there are Shadow clones from different parallel universes which come from 1000 universes, whcih could theoritaclly only be like 10-100 parralel universes but shadow destryed those guys. And stranger was struggling to surpass his HII but if shadow just travelled lets say like 100 universes his HII would sky rocket.
@@Aezro_Official This paragraph will explain stranger's powers and talk about his scaling. When stranger travels through worlds and time half a billion times and creates a half a billion copies of himself which have consciousness of their own, which fight and make stranger surpass shadow, and boosting his historical importance index way above shadow's. This means that stranger's will power is now the strongest in the entire verse. Everything goes according to his plan. Although stranger was never affected by shadow's historical importance index, he was simply beyond time, existed as a probability of existence, even inside the void when the world had been destroyed and everyone had died. He alone managed to bypass it and go above and beyond, surpassing shadow and his historical importance index. When he made shadow mind create a world just how stranger wished it. Shadow mind couldn't break his will. His will power made his historical importance so high that he simply wished shadow to not exist, by using reality warping, he switched places of shadow and may, such that shadow was the one who died instead of may...and shadow was erased. That's how strong stranger's will power was. He bent the entire world before his historical importance index. Even opened the gates, and destroyed and wiped out the entire world, and no one could stop him...and despite that, he still lives. Stranger is still alive and got what he wanted, due to his will power being so strong. His historical importance index is basically overpowered. Cutting the fabric of reality, being 4D feat, it is destroying a 4D structure, we saw this in epilogue battle in how he swings the sword in the air with his brute force, cut opening the fabric of reality. The fabric of reality is 4D because 3D is the space, and 1D is the time as well, a 4D structure was destoyed, making that feat itself universe+. And this is to be known that the historical importance index isn't a cloak, that one can wear and remove anytime. It's a part of his identity, a part of his self. Lynx states stranger to be stronger than fate itself. Stranger is well resistant to any manipulation of fate. Stranger broke the ongoing prophecy that mnemos had seen where the chosen hero beats stranger. But that prophecy was broken. And stranger never died. No matter the odds, someone would eventually save him before he dies. The vast power of historical importance index. It is the reality manipulation which stranger uses. The world will drive to his will by changing the course of history. Its what makes the world to actually come to a sense. He will get what he wants by the end of the day. Anyone who can drive the world into bending the world to his will by changing the course of history, someone who can survive existential eraser all because of will power, will also make the world suppress itself. Some notable feats of the historical importance index - Reality manipulation - Fate manipulation - Changing the course of history - Bending the world to his will - Surviving existential erasure - Reality warping So yes, shadow is dead as per stranger's ability to control reality, due to possessing the highest historical importance index. Lynx mentions stranger to be stronger than time itself. Stranger's mere presence was distorting time itself...when itu mentions "When the master took control of this world, the time itself became distorted. Turning into some ball of thread". And within those shadow threads, hundreds, thousands of people are trapped...between worlds and time. That included shadow and the real itu. Where we find them in marcus's plane ans fight them...They were stuck in that for 2000 years or so, as the real itu claims it to be. Transcend time can have other examples, it means going across, completely through, being beyond. It can include moving from one dimension to another, moving from one spacetime to another, teleportation, transcending a specific spatial dimension but not all possible spatial dimensions). Stranger can do all of that. He transcends time. Any character that transcends through space, time is extra dimensional, 5D, low 1-C. Anyone who can alter time, has the powers to suppress time itself. Another notable feat of stranger is that he simply broke the chains of time, he isn't tied with time, he isn't bound to it, he is above and beyond it, he is stronger than it. Heck, there's a direct statement in sf3 by kibo directly stating stranger to be beyond time itself. We have a clear statement for it, the feats are mentioned above. He even wrote the manuscript, freed the ancients, disguised as the liberator. You might wonder how old even is stranger? He was even the master of indigo when he disguised himself as the liberator. Indigo is the sister of Mnemos. Mnemos, ancient, also helped shadow in sf2. In sf3, he is said to be 11 thousand years old, you can say indigo would also be around there since she is the sister of mnemos. It would just mean that stranger had been there all along from the beginning as indigo said that stranger changed his absolute future. This should pretty much put stranger to low complex multiversal, 5D, as for now. One more thing i'd like to add here. Stranger heavily underestimated proximus in the epilogue battle. Stranger is holding back in the epilogue fight. He underestimated Proximus which is why he was holding back against proximus. If we look at it right in the fight scenario. Stranger had every possible advantage against proximus in the fight in every single scenario. But he was choosing to hold back. He could fly which he didn't. His entire strength could push the armour walker down to the ground (armour walker itself was bigger than titan), but he didn't choose to use his immense strength in the battle like it was nothing. He had the shield (similar to moira's amulet but blue - you could see this when you shot the rockets), but he chose to not use it in the fight. He could stop the flow of time and finish proximus, but he chose to cut the world and the fabric of reality by putting a cut in the air. He could easily defeat proximus that way. Including those feats which are mentioned above. And therefore stranger mentions to him in the fox hunt cameo that he underestimated him. Stranger says "I have to tell you this. I underestimated you. That was my mistake, and I apologize for it.". Current proximus not even close to the level of stranger. Your point is completely debunked. Titan or tenebris come nowhere close to that. And please, the term "underworld is not canon" itself is a bunch of cope. You sf2 fans use sf3 logic to scale sf2, for example the concept of void, which is introduced in sf3, is being used by fanboys of sf2 to wank tenebris. Every single underworld character is featless, apart from tenebris who only has some statements, yet no fate hax feats available. Underworld is confirmed canon by the latest events in sf3 and shades. With sensei directly claiming that he saw shadow fighting the eternals in the rift above the dojo, he caught a glimpse of the shadow from the underworld. This means that there is a timeline existing in the void where shadow fights the eternals. Void gives birth to all other countless words. All the worlds all all born in the void. Mnemos, Ishtar, Tenebris have all stated this. Therefore the shadow that fights the eternals takes place in one of the countless timelines, and it is infact canon now. Eroizek (who is the sf3 developer) did infact say that the underworld events are canon. "Stranger struggled to surpass shadow", nowhere it is stated, you just made that up. Shadow had fallen into stranger's scheme from the beginning...when stranger revealed shadow the true powers of shadow mind, he decided to cleans the world through shadow mind and create a new where may is alive. Sf2 nor your "underworld fodderdow" has any chance here. Now that the underworld timeline infact takes place in the verse as sensei states that he saw shadow fighting the eternals in another world, why didn't mnemos summon your sf2 shadow or your "underworld fodderdow" (excuse me, the term itself is so hilarious for couple of sf2 fans to deny the obvious official confirmation in the game, so i have to call it fodderdow) to beat stranger? Mnemos said it very clearly that even shadow could not cope with such power, and it only obeyed to two people in history, the desccendant and the hero, because it originally belonged to them. The historical importance index...whoever has it the highest ultimately commands the verse. Pretty much plot armour. Mnemos said it very clearly that only the descendant of shadow could match the descendant of shadow, and no one else, not even shadow. Not to mention that shadow had already died by then. Sf3 shadow is also stronger than sf2 shadow due to historical importance index. If your sf2 shadow or "underworld fodderdow" had any chance, he'd have summoned them, but he didn't. He made it very clear that only the hero can match stranger and no one else. (Which stranger was holding back against in epilogue). Your boy shadow was surpassed, like it is confirmed in the game. Don't be nostalgic to deny the facts, just accept that.
@The_Gaming_Dragon And finally what is your favorite and least favorite enchantment and why?? I like frenzy because instead of taking damage for it to activate like overheat successful hits on enemies increases damage And my least favorite is blood rage because I don't like the fact of loosing some health just to deal extra damage cause it certain situations like boss battle it could only make you lose
I've recently returned. A lot happened, also I regretted thinking office jobs were more profitable than having a YT channel Want to focus on other games as well. Would be glad if you have suggestions
@@Iankiambi she was a shadow demon like lynx , hermit etc. It was confirmed in Shadow fight 3's epilogue ( Mnemos tells this to player and Lynx also mentioned it). So he inherited demonic powers.
Proximus inherited May's calm manner of dealing with problems. Proximus also sometimes, if he sees something morally wrong, tends to overreact ( similar to his mom ). On the other hand Stranger doesn't really care about justice much ( similar to his dad before he met May )
@@el_gamepro2134 haciendo que las figuras negras tengan texturas?, básicamente haciendo que sea como un shadow fight 3, pero con la historia del 2, y gráficos del arena, a decir verdad desde que vi como pelea sombra en el sf3, siempre quise poder usarlo, se me hacen muy satisfactorio el combo de patadas que hace XD
@snehashisganguly5147 Outdated logic, son can be stronger than the father anyday. Just leave, you sf2 fanboys are little whiny kids who got trouble accepting to the real facts. Always day dreaming your fantasy of personal satisfaction that every argument of you nostalgic sf2 fanboys is just made up headcanons. Even underworld is confirmed canon, tenebris is predicted to be june's victim. Your argument's a joke.
Bro I want to know if a ranged weapon is of 117 gems at level 50 and I haven't purchased it yet Then what will be the total amount of gems required to max it if I am purchasing it now that means at level 52
@@Oreo_Editz but what power Shadow has in those timelines is kinda of weird like reality manipulation etc but still ended up getting thrashed by stranger. I want to ask another question in chapter I forgot the cleansing part, at that point who has more HII shadow descendant (player) or shadow? If Shadow has more why does he end up dying whilst the cleansing part still takes place?
@@Oreo_Editz And one more question: If Shadow had higher HII before, why didn't he just use HII's power for reality and fate manipulation, such as reviving May and wishing that the descendant was dead before he got the chance to become stronger than Shadow?
But i have a question, why shadow not use ancident magic?, everyone in sf3 alway use shadow enegry, should they dont know magic, but shadow know hermit secret, why shadow dont use?
Puede ser que no la usa porque no es tan fuerte, la energía de las sombras es una magia super ultra poderosa, ya que proviene del mismísimo mundo de las sombras, y además el tenía tecnología como el robot gigante, o el escudo de energía, no necesitaba usar magia antigua que es más débil que la energía de las sombras
Magic in shadow fight 2 needed the user to wear a magic amulet or necklace. The people in the world may have just simply stopped using it because shadow energy was much stronger.
all of these question are hard to explain in one sentence shadow had more than hundreds of millions of descendants at least the little girl is Moira, the daughter of the King of the Legion the black soul is Shadow mind
I want to know if sf3 is on xbox one. I saw an article that suggested the idea but I do not fully believe in it yet. Could I ask you to dive deeper on that thing and maybe do a video about it?
@@The_Gaming_Dragon thanks for responding. I did not know that there is more about it. I just saw it today and i knew that you know about sf3 a lot so thanks. I will search about it more.
@@The_Gaming_Dragonyo también recuerdo, no sé dónde, un anuncio de que el juego sería lanzado para Xbox y Playstation, pero supongo que, o era falso, o nekki no pudo cumplir con la promesa 😢
The video literally says what i said Sf3 shadow > Sf2 shadow And also says proximus and stranger > shadow What it does debunk is your silly little sf2 caps.
i played the game a very long time ago but if i remember correctly , the void room is something like an overpowered sentient supercomputer. It inhabits many Herald elders' conciousness, or something, but, most importantly, May who died.
@@andreix4025stranger - extremely difficulty Soon saitama will beat the open void, open void can destroy the whole multiverse of opm since parallel universes are introduced in opm. So the opm cosmology is a multiversal structure. Open void has power to destroy the whole multiverse. And saitama will eventually fight and beat the open void. And all saitama takes is 1 punch. Putting his physical attributes to multiverse level. I'd like to see shadow compete with that strength. Sf3 shadow could extreme difficulty because he has HII. Sf2 shadow gets obliterated against saitama.
Bro i want ask that can proximus kill shadow in his prime form become a shadow cant be killed he has no mass no lungs and has ultimate strength (underworld shadow)
@@rishitarora1199 He isn't a literal 2d shadow, developers claimed that the shadow energy from the demons destroyed his flesh and soul and it made him covered with a shadow essence which they called the shadow shell. You sf2 fans drop in the debate with no logic or knowledge, just drop here defending your fodderdow. He himself takes a deep breath after losing his body and soul in the intro. No lungs? How is he breathing then? Watch the intro again.
In my mind i think shadow himself became weak as we know shadow in shadow form could not die and did not age however as he got his physical form back he could age and possibly die shadow obviously kept his strength and i also think sensei died of old age shadow would never kill his master and i also think that if shadow kept his shadow form he would have become insanely strong even beyond titans strength and eventually he would literally be so powerful you could not even imagine his strength
seems to make sense until you realize he didn't age I explained in the video about his age, that he lived longer than two or three centuries remaining so youthful
@@The_Gaming_Dragon still in sf3 he has gray hair and often fight bare handed but also lost his ability to use magic But prime shadow is a different beast beating concepts in physical form Remember an old bare hand shadow with nothing but pants and a shield was one of the hardest challenge for sf3 main character It's just that the shadow descended is a pay to win person while shadow is a pure skill player And knowing sf3 we know how that fight will go
@@Oreo_Editz HII is irrelevant to combat. It just means that you can ensure history plays out according to your will. In Ch 7, Shadow lost to Proximus even though he still had the highest HII.
@@The_Gaming_DragonLet the fanboys bark, they always get offended if their chadow gets defeated. Its just that the nostalgic fanboys use no logic or proofs and just day dreaming some nostalgia.
@@The_Gaming_Dragon I was just curious since Proximus likes to defeat everyone. Sorry if this question was bad, so maybe May is too innocent for Proximus to fight with? if so then Maybe Proximus is also Kind which makes him a greater character than he already is.
@@Iankiambi True that Proximus wants to defeat everyone, but that's to receive approval of other ( likely because he grew up without parents and amid the dark era of the legion ) and to prove himself, to be somebody he doesn't need to do that to May, he never sees her as a threat, nor does he feel the need he needs extra recognition, May already admires her beloved son and always supports him
5:46 that's when you lost me in your argument everyone knows that fighting skills & martial arts are acquired abilities NOT INHERITED so saying that stranger is strong because Shadow is his father make no sense at all (unless he got trained by Shadow which didn't happen) Stranger become stronger through his own efforts (and his clones) to clear some stuff I noticed in this channel the true shadow descendant between chapter 1-7.2 is Stranger not "Proximus" Proximus is Itu Plane's copy of shadow descendant as for Shadow's Descendant in epilogue it's a completely new descendant summoned by ancient's artifact from other characters memories to be the exact opposite of stranger
tolerance/talent to shadow energy is inherited Proximus and Stranger are capable of controlling Shadow mind just because they're sons of the strongest warrior think about how many characters tried to get their hands on the sphere, yet all either failed or went crazy the entire faction of heralds is built on the concept of inheriting special abilities related to shadow energy ( which in turn means strength ) and is the reason Kibo's dream of becoming a herald was crushed shadow fight 3 is not a real world, even if it were, if your parents have trained their entire lives, you'd have much more potential to muscle strength and growth than someone average
@@The_Gaming_Dragon OK we can agree that being the son of both : a powerful worrier who got his soul & flesh turned by shadow energy & a former shadow demon is an advantage But for shadow mind he was supposed to be born a part of shadow's descendant if not for the accident I would like to clarify something Stranger & Shadow's Descendant isn't different person but rather 2 faces of the same coin after epilogue the game refers to him as "shadow me" in the characters page next to adventure mode so they should have the same appearance & all other aspects except personality
@@crimsonblaze2838 but they look different in fact, nekki said themselves Stranger was never alive nor dead, he's a mere probability of existence ( how ironic that he himself called the MC that way ) after time travels sometimes clones are drastically different ( Stranger had female clones, some of his clones were entirely different, as if it was a different fate Proximus/Stranger could've gone through )
@@The_Gaming_Dragon that's why I hate multiverses thay are a headache Stranger isn't a copy he's descendant in chapter 1-7.2 since you mentioned fate haven't we forgotten another descendant? liberator is a copy of stranger but managed to be free from his destiny (stranger control) I personally think that "master of the shadow world" is descendant ture appearance (armor) because if it isn't his no body deserve it
@@djtunah28Proof? Shadow in comics only defeated lynx, hermit and butcher who are all town level. They are all xiang tzu's victim. Comic shadow is an absolute fodder in terms of scaling, he'd be placed on the same tier as xiang tzu.
@@Oreo_Editz vs battle wiki.kasabı öldürmüyor bu 1. Ayrıca sen yabancı hayranısın ama bilmediğin şey Gölgenin dayanıklılığı sonsuz olduğu. Yabancı ise öldü
@@djtunah28Stranger's durability is multiversal level due to taking in all the energies of the gates of shadows which wouldnt just kill 1 of the worlds but all its reflections and surviving, destroying the gates would only make him stronger, making it multiversal level. + shadow's durability is fodder level and has no feats of surviving anything. He almost lost to shroud the first time they fought. The wank is crazy though. Vsbattlewiki isnt even correct, it scales most of the characters incorrectly, it even scales shadow to planet level. Comic shadow only defeated lynx, hermit and butcher, he hasnt even defeated titan or tenebris or even shogun. All the guys shadow in comics defeated are all xiang tzu's victims. Comic shadow is on the same level as xiang tzu which is city level at highest.
Bueno, Shadow en ese momento tampoco tenía al robot gigante, ni a la mente sombría, Proximus era más débil, pero Shadow también. No digo que Shadow sea más fuerte, pero es para aclararlo
Not to mention that the descendant's copies in the transformation planes were stated to be unstable. Still descendant from itu's plane and marcus's plane also beat shadow.
well you might call it nonsense, but people ask me for years about this topic I can bet they will ask again and again even after this video, because it's so debatable, at least from commentator's perspective😂
Outdated logic, son can be stronger than the father anyday. Just leave, you sf2 fanboys are little whiny kids who got trouble accepting to the real facts. Always day dreaming your fantasy of personal satisfaction that every argument of you nostalgic sf2 fanboys is just made up headcanons.
Something I also noticed is the fact that the descendant has control over the energies of the void without limitations, an example is the fact that he uses Magmarion's power without him knowing since he says: "How did you get this power?"; which suggests that he just decided to use this power.
being the previous installment MC's son is really a good boost on top of being MC himself
eclipse may + shadow combined would give a strong warrior make sense 😂
insane hard work + genius level talent
Try titan and shadows power😂
@@Mathew-lx6cr titan isn't even human
and to add on top, stranger already gained power well beyond titan's and still lost to Shadow and May's son
@@The_Gaming_Dragon tru 🤔👍 thank you
Eclipse may isnt actually a thing in the lore + she is featless, no statements or feats. Gameplay mechanics arent a way to judge the powerlevels or scaling. Chaos June would no diff her.
I think you should make a video about what is HII (historical importance index) really is. It would be quite interesting.
5:53 you forgot to add one thing , May didn't get power after getting kidnapped by titan. She already had those powers , it was mentioned in SF3's epilogue that May was a shadow demon like Lynx and other ones. Shadow loved her because she didn't have any evil mind like others and she left her immortality (LYNX Even mocked her after he lost to her by saying, how did it feel like after throwing away her demon power and immortality just for a life of a mortal).
yes. and she is shadowsmith. forges shadow weapons. revealed in the Shades
@@proximus-x2o i thought in early sf2, both may and shadow found blacksmith to upgrade weapon
@@sixpathguide5539 yes, of course. i played sf2 but don't exactly remember. in shades comics they show how may and shadow meet each other
she's still somehow immortal
look at her face, nice looks for centuries old grandma
@@proximus-x2o it was also shown in sf3
the fight condition was "shadowsmith"
i want to become better, stronger. i want to beat everyone.
this is what both descendants inherited from Shadow
@@The_Gaming_Dragon and actually both descendant did they both are very powerful
7:03 Sarge is Stranger,s Teacher & Adopted Father Not only The Stranger But also Gizmo & Greta Consider him as their father & Master
Hiss hell's walk was the most terrifying thing in the whole sf universe
Vaya, nunca dude que proximus pudiera vencer a Shadow, pero no pensé que Stranger sería más débil, aunque con tus argumentos tiene mucho sentido. TOTALMENTE DE ACUERDO, GRAN VIDEO😊😊
It goes like this.
Stranger>Proximus>Shadow.
Stranger tendría muchas posibilidades de derrotar a Shadow, si tan solo fuera una persona real, no solo una mera posibilidad de existencia. Todavía mostró mucho para alguien que ni siquiera está vivo. Tenía un gran potencial, pero las probabilidades estaban en su contra desde el momento en que apareció en el mundo. Triste pero inspirador
Proximus: the one person that surpasses Shadow in greatness
Shadow himself is glad about that
I just wish that sf4 was after sf3, and the only way for that to happen was if shadow mind overcame descendant and managed to control him. Or descendant went insane, pretended to be shadow mind and forced everyone to fight
It is
or maybe they could make a normal story, not everyone fighting each other for no reason
@@The_Gaming_Dragonpor eso SF4 es un universo alternativo, una forma de limpiarse las manos y tener la libertad de hacer cosas locas y meter personajes variados sin dañar la historia original, y por eso creo que SF4 o SFA nunca será secuela directa de SF3
I have three words for you Historical Importance Index
7:15 Itu Because Both Do the same Job helping Others
both also become successful at young age
Let me told you about Xiang Tzu i am Not English Guy so try to understand will Xiang Tzu born in Dynasty He lost his Parents in Teenag He Grow up in Master galan,s school Galan trand him When he Decided to participate in Tournament for dynasty but Master galan Brin Proximus to Tournament because June said so He Decided to Fight in the tournament for Heralds He did it but he lose against Proximus When Emperor Know that he Became angry And he Banned 🚫 Xaing tzu In Dynasty with the help of Emperor,s Adopted Daughter Kibo he Go to herald he Learn So much about Heralds style but then A Famous Doctor Azuma Fight with him Xaing tzu Defeat Him with disrespecting Azuma Report to him and He is Banned in Heralds too then he go to Legion where he meet Millennium wolf he Give him training to control Fire but Millennium Wolf is the leader of a Group who want to kill the King and become Independent Will Sarge Attack on their place Millennium wolf escape but Xiang tzu Was arrested he try hard to explain but sarge didn't Give him chance to explain that's the Story of Xiang tzu
I wish you will Make new Video on it
I have studied everything you said many times
this makes me more sad, because some people just have advantages in life, you can't out perform with hard work alone. Xiang Tzu went through all of what you said and still lost to Proximus
As told in the video hard work will help you but not against someone who works just as hard as you but is also lucky or talented
His story is very inspiring and tragic at the same time, I'll definitely make a video about him
@@The_Gaming_Dragon Thank you very Much bro 💕😘
Proximus is just too Strong for Shadow to handle no matter what and too Kind for May to be scared of no matter what. Respect to Proximus for that.
I think that Proximus is Half Demon and Half Human because Proximus can easily control shadow mind without being turned into a Shadow against his will due to his demon side and He’s Human because he can express his emotions in a human way and looks human.
or maybe he inherited Shadow's potential
Shadow also showed how he could fuse with it ( possibly due to defeating Titan ) without harming himself or going insane
it was also mentioned directly that the only reason Proximus can control armorwalker is because he's Shadow's son
If you notice in the starting of SF3 SHADOW wears fhe same bandages and pants at the starting and ending of SF2 .
Did it mean he didnt change clothes.
maybe he liked the design and decided to order the same pair of clothes
some people do that
Agreed.
These nostalgic sf2 fanboys need a reality check.
This paragraph will explain stranger's powers and talk about his scaling.
When stranger travels through worlds and time half a billion times and creates a half a billion copies of himself which have consciousness of their own, which fight and make stranger surpass shadow, and boosting his historical importance index way above shadow's. This means that stranger's will power is now the strongest in the entire verse. Everything goes according to his plan. Although stranger was never affected by shadow's historical importance index, he was simply beyond time, existed as a probability of existence, even inside the void when the world had been destroyed and everyone had died. He alone managed to bypass it and go above and beyond, surpassing shadow and his historical importance index. When he made shadow mind create a world just how stranger wished it. Shadow mind couldn't break his will. His will power made his historical importance so high that he simply wished shadow to not exist, by using reality warping, he switched places of shadow and may, such that shadow was the one who died instead of may...and shadow was erased.
That's how strong stranger's will power was. He bent the entire world before his historical importance index. Even opened the gates, and destroyed and wiped out the entire world, and no one could stop him...and despite that, he still lives. Stranger is still alive and got what he wanted, due to his will power being so strong. His historical importance index is basically overpowered. Cutting the fabric of reality, being 4D feat, it is destroying a 4D structure, we saw this in epilogue battle in how he swings the sword in the air with his brute force, cut opening the fabric of reality. The fabric of reality is 4D because 3D is the space, and 1D is the time as well, a 4D structure was destoyed, making that feat itself universe+. And this is to be known that the historical importance index isn't a cloak, that one can wear and remove anytime. It's a part of his identity, a part of his self.
Lynx states stranger to be stronger than fate itself. Stranger is well resistant to any manipulation of fate. Stranger broke the ongoing prophecy that mnemos had seen where the chosen hero beats stranger. But that prophecy was broken. And stranger never died. No matter the odds, someone would eventually save him before he dies. The vast power of historical importance index. It is the reality manipulation which stranger uses. The world will drive to his will by changing the course of history. Its what makes the world to actually come to a sense. He will get what he wants by the end of the day. Anyone who can drive the world into bending the world to his will by changing the course of history, someone who can survive existential eraser all because of will power, will also make the world suppress itself.
Some notable feats of the historical importance index
- Reality manipulation
- Fate manipulation
- Changing the course of history
- Bending the world to his will
- Surviving existential erasure
- Reality warping
So yes, shadow is dead as per stranger's ability to control reality, due to possessing the highest historical importance index.
Lynx mentions stranger to be stronger than time itself. Stranger's mere presence was distorting time itself...when itu mentions "When the master took control of this world, the time itself became distorted. Turning into some ball of thread". And within those shadow threads, hundreds, thousands of people are trapped...between worlds and time. That included shadow and the real itu. Where we find them in marcus's plane ans fight them...They were stuck in that for 2000 years or so, as the real itu claims it to be. Transcend time can have other examples, it means going across, completely through, being beyond. It can include moving from one dimension to another, moving from one spacetime to another, teleportation, transcending a specific spatial dimension but not all possible spatial dimensions). Stranger can do all of that. He transcends time. Any character that transcends through space, time is extra dimensional, 5D, low 1-C. Anyone who can alter time, has the powers to suppress time itself. Another notable feat of stranger is that he simply broke the chains of time, he isn't tied with time, he isn't bound to it, he is above and beyond it, he is stronger than it. Heck, there's a direct statement in sf3 by kibo directly stating stranger to be beyond time itself. We have a clear statement for it, the feats are mentioned above. He even wrote the manuscript, freed the ancients, disguised as the liberator. You might wonder how old even is stranger? He was even the master of indigo when he disguised himself as the liberator. Indigo is the sister of Mnemos. Mnemos, ancient, also helped shadow in sf2. In sf3, he is said to be 11 thousand years old, you can say indigo would also be around there since she is the sister of mnemos. It would just mean that stranger had been there all along from the beginning as indigo said that stranger changed his absolute future.
This should pretty much put stranger to low complex multiversal, 5D, as for now.
One more thing i'd like to add here.
Stranger heavily underestimated proximus in the epilogue battle.
Stranger is holding back in the epilogue fight.
He underestimated Proximus which is why he was holding back against proximus.
If we look at it right in the fight scenario.
Stranger had every possible advantage against proximus in the fight in every single scenario. But he was choosing to hold back. He could fly which he didn't. His entire strength could push the armour walker down to the ground (armour walker itself was bigger than titan), but he didn't choose to use his immense strength in the battle like it was nothing. He had the shield (similar to moira's amulet but blue - you could see this when you shot the rockets), but he chose to not use it in the fight. He could stop the flow of time and finish proximus, but he chose to cut the world and the fabric of reality by putting a cut in the air. He could easily defeat proximus that way. Including those feats which are mentioned above.
And therefore stranger mentions to him in the fox hunt cameo that he underestimated him.
Stranger says "I have to tell you this. I underestimated you. That was my mistake, and I apologize for it.".
Shadow doesnt even come anywhere near to all of that.
@@Oreo_Editz Another ass long senseless para
@@sayonroy2427That sounds like a lot of cope from an average nostalgic fanboy.
@@Oreo_Editz If everyone is interested in reading your shit . Nothing with being fanboy😂
Quiero dar mi opinión sobre Stranger y su pelea contra proximus, creo que la razón por la que Stranger podía volar en el primer asalto (cuando luchamos con el robot gigante) es porque tenía a la mente sombria dentro de él (parecido a lo que hizo Shadow cuando peleamos contra él), cómo la mente sombria podía volar, él también podía, pero luego extrae a la mente sombría de su cuerpo para convertirla en su arma, por eso ya no vuela en el segundo asaltó. No creo que se contuviera, si subestimó a Proximus al principio, pero luego pelea en serio.
@@el_gamepro2134No, he had been holding back the entire time which is why he also lost. Stranger does fly in round 3 at the bridge between even though he doesnt have shadow mind inside him. He is holding the world slicer in his hand and is still flying in the air even without shadow mind inside him.
Can you make a video on differences between eternals and demons??
maybe
Both frauds.
Ahora hay que hacer una lista de los personajes más poderosos de shadow fight: Titan, rey de la legión, Shadow, Tenebris, etc. Y también añadir menciones honoríficas, es decir, personajes que son mencionados cómo muy poderosos pero no han tenido una aparición formal en los juegos: el coleccionista, o el libertador del vacio
Suena como una gran idea
Talk about the collector, the "real dynast prince" and the void enslaver
he was defeated though
@@The_Gaming_Dragon WDYM?
@@arthurcostasouza5637 Collector was defeated in short time
He couldn't hold the power for decades, like Shadow did
Shadow was always stronger than the descendant. He never stood a chance against Shadow. However the more time travels he did more copies of him came. The one that taught mnemos and indigo was also a copy of stranger. One of his finest copies. As his copies grew stronger he did as well and then he surpassed shadow in power but shadow is not nerfed he grew even stronger
Shadow was stronger up to a certain point
Eso es lo que se dijo en el vídeo, muchos creen que Shadow estaba debilitado en SF3, pero es incorrecto, es más fuerte que en SF2
Hey @The_Gaming_Dragon. Why does lynx claws work differently from when he has and when we have it....???
what do you mean? enchantments ?
@The_Gaming_Dragon for some reason when I fail dodge Lynx's claw slap I get both poison and time bomb without lynx using range weapons
But if we defeat him in eclipse mode and get his claws it's like the poison never existed.......
@@DreadHades-p9e in game mechanic that you can't obtain without mods
similar to a katana from gates of shadow's which has two enchantment, if you enchant it with a different one, you'll only have a single enchantment
The answer is simple , Descendants are simply levels above Shadow.
Ik this is frustrating to hear , I was annoyed with the story at first because I was a huge SF2 ever since 2016 and saw SF3 as some boring filler story but I was dead wrong. I completed Sf3 at 2023 and it was awesome
at raw strength with no plot power-ups, shadow is stronger than stranger
but again, this dude made a lot of research and is quite smart, so he might deserve that "stronger" status
@@The_Gaming_Dragon btw , if you haven't played the side effect event(which is said to be a canonical event and is set to take place after Laws of Fire and Ice Adventure) Stranger is said to be Older than Shadow even though Stranger is his son. He left his copy in a time where the world is getting created , the void itself and it was Stranger(Liberator of the Mortals) himself who taught the Ancients like Mnemos and Indigo to fight. He gathered knowledge from all Multiverse all for himself to create the ultimate version of himself. Shadow never achieved this feat and since the main Character is the best version of Stranger(PLOT ARMOR) , he was able to beat Stranger. Stranger isn't actually that cruel anymore btw , he does have a soft side and did go for friendly duel with the Descendant. He even apologized for what he did in Gates plane (YES HE SURVIVED ALL OF THAT) and said he was hungry for power that time. Makes him a very well written character.
@@AnnaMariya-ks7zd yeah, him being smart is the reason he achieved all that, which is good for a character instead of just pure luck
Good video
Also both of them didn't speak and did all these amazing things lil
The thing is why people say "shadow got nerfed so bad" is due to the fact he beat all the eternals in the underworld. In the underworld eternals have the ability to get rid of shadow energy. And we know shadow having his whole self embodied in shadow energy at that time, and doing that takes ton of durability. Another thing is that he beated different embodiments and specifically Tenabris, which is the embodiment of the great void where all creation started which contains many universes/mulitverses, also created the rest of the eternals. Which is an insane Feat, further more if we acount for the HII (History importance index) shadow could quite literally be the most powerful man in the SF verse.
He also beat architect (creator of the game) and other event bosses which could be canon or not.
And proximus defeating him only shows him to be more powerful than shadow himself as he inherited all of shadow's powers. Same goes for stranger.
underworld is non canon to SF3, if it is canon then it would be mentioned. And im specifically saying Underworld shadow. Sf2 shadow(after defeating titan) would still body stranger, let me prove it to you.
Shadow defeated titan a world/universe conquerer with a count of 1000 precisely.
but we aslo know that there could be 8,000,000,000 to countless and shadow did it by not travelling to 8 billion planes/unverses to copy clones of himself, but by merely existing alone is SF2. Yes there are Shadow clones from different parallel universes which come from 1000 universes, whcih could theoritaclly only be like 10-100 parralel universes but shadow destryed those guys. And stranger was struggling to surpass his HII but if shadow just travelled lets say like 100 universes his HII would sky rocket.
but i will give credit to proximus only, stranger gets folded
@@Aezro_Official This paragraph will explain stranger's powers and talk about his scaling.
When stranger travels through worlds and time half a billion times and creates a half a billion copies of himself which have consciousness of their own, which fight and make stranger surpass shadow, and boosting his historical importance index way above shadow's. This means that stranger's will power is now the strongest in the entire verse. Everything goes according to his plan. Although stranger was never affected by shadow's historical importance index, he was simply beyond time, existed as a probability of existence, even inside the void when the world had been destroyed and everyone had died. He alone managed to bypass it and go above and beyond, surpassing shadow and his historical importance index. When he made shadow mind create a world just how stranger wished it. Shadow mind couldn't break his will. His will power made his historical importance so high that he simply wished shadow to not exist, by using reality warping, he switched places of shadow and may, such that shadow was the one who died instead of may...and shadow was erased.
That's how strong stranger's will power was. He bent the entire world before his historical importance index. Even opened the gates, and destroyed and wiped out the entire world, and no one could stop him...and despite that, he still lives. Stranger is still alive and got what he wanted, due to his will power being so strong. His historical importance index is basically overpowered. Cutting the fabric of reality, being 4D feat, it is destroying a 4D structure, we saw this in epilogue battle in how he swings the sword in the air with his brute force, cut opening the fabric of reality. The fabric of reality is 4D because 3D is the space, and 1D is the time as well, a 4D structure was destoyed, making that feat itself universe+. And this is to be known that the historical importance index isn't a cloak, that one can wear and remove anytime. It's a part of his identity, a part of his self.
Lynx states stranger to be stronger than fate itself. Stranger is well resistant to any manipulation of fate. Stranger broke the ongoing prophecy that mnemos had seen where the chosen hero beats stranger. But that prophecy was broken. And stranger never died. No matter the odds, someone would eventually save him before he dies. The vast power of historical importance index. It is the reality manipulation which stranger uses. The world will drive to his will by changing the course of history. Its what makes the world to actually come to a sense. He will get what he wants by the end of the day. Anyone who can drive the world into bending the world to his will by changing the course of history, someone who can survive existential eraser all because of will power, will also make the world suppress itself.
Some notable feats of the historical importance index
- Reality manipulation
- Fate manipulation
- Changing the course of history
- Bending the world to his will
- Surviving existential erasure
- Reality warping
So yes, shadow is dead as per stranger's ability to control reality, due to possessing the highest historical importance index.
Lynx mentions stranger to be stronger than time itself. Stranger's mere presence was distorting time itself...when itu mentions "When the master took control of this world, the time itself became distorted. Turning into some ball of thread". And within those shadow threads, hundreds, thousands of people are trapped...between worlds and time. That included shadow and the real itu. Where we find them in marcus's plane ans fight them...They were stuck in that for 2000 years or so, as the real itu claims it to be. Transcend time can have other examples, it means going across, completely through, being beyond. It can include moving from one dimension to another, moving from one spacetime to another, teleportation, transcending a specific spatial dimension but not all possible spatial dimensions). Stranger can do all of that. He transcends time. Any character that transcends through space, time is extra dimensional, 5D, low 1-C. Anyone who can alter time, has the powers to suppress time itself. Another notable feat of stranger is that he simply broke the chains of time, he isn't tied with time, he isn't bound to it, he is above and beyond it, he is stronger than it. Heck, there's a direct statement in sf3 by kibo directly stating stranger to be beyond time itself. We have a clear statement for it, the feats are mentioned above. He even wrote the manuscript, freed the ancients, disguised as the liberator. You might wonder how old even is stranger? He was even the master of indigo when he disguised himself as the liberator. Indigo is the sister of Mnemos. Mnemos, ancient, also helped shadow in sf2. In sf3, he is said to be 11 thousand years old, you can say indigo would also be around there since she is the sister of mnemos. It would just mean that stranger had been there all along from the beginning as indigo said that stranger changed his absolute future.
This should pretty much put stranger to low complex multiversal, 5D, as for now.
One more thing i'd like to add here.
Stranger heavily underestimated proximus in the epilogue battle.
Stranger is holding back in the epilogue fight.
He underestimated Proximus which is why he was holding back against proximus.
If we look at it right in the fight scenario.
Stranger had every possible advantage against proximus in the fight in every single scenario. But he was choosing to hold back. He could fly which he didn't. His entire strength could push the armour walker down to the ground (armour walker itself was bigger than titan), but he didn't choose to use his immense strength in the battle like it was nothing. He had the shield (similar to moira's amulet but blue - you could see this when you shot the rockets), but he chose to not use it in the fight. He could stop the flow of time and finish proximus, but he chose to cut the world and the fabric of reality by putting a cut in the air. He could easily defeat proximus that way. Including those feats which are mentioned above.
And therefore stranger mentions to him in the fox hunt cameo that he underestimated him.
Stranger says "I have to tell you this. I underestimated you. That was my mistake, and I apologize for it.".
Current proximus not even close to the level of stranger. Your point is completely debunked. Titan or tenebris come nowhere close to that.
And please, the term "underworld is not canon" itself is a bunch of cope. You sf2 fans use sf3 logic to scale sf2, for example the concept of void, which is introduced in sf3, is being used by fanboys of sf2 to wank tenebris. Every single underworld character is featless, apart from tenebris who only has some statements, yet no fate hax feats available.
Underworld is confirmed canon by the latest events in sf3 and shades. With sensei directly claiming that he saw shadow fighting the eternals in the rift above the dojo, he caught a glimpse of the shadow from the underworld. This means that there is a timeline existing in the void where shadow fights the eternals. Void gives birth to all other countless words. All the worlds all all born in the void. Mnemos, Ishtar, Tenebris have all stated this. Therefore the shadow that fights the eternals takes place in one of the countless timelines, and it is infact canon now. Eroizek (who is the sf3 developer) did infact say that the underworld events are canon.
"Stranger struggled to surpass shadow", nowhere it is stated, you just made that up. Shadow had fallen into stranger's scheme from the beginning...when stranger revealed shadow the true powers of shadow mind, he decided to cleans the world through shadow mind and create a new where may is alive.
Sf2 nor your "underworld fodderdow" has any chance here. Now that the underworld timeline infact takes place in the verse as sensei states that he saw shadow fighting the eternals in another world, why didn't mnemos summon your sf2 shadow or your "underworld fodderdow" (excuse me, the term itself is so hilarious for couple of sf2 fans to deny the obvious official confirmation in the game, so i have to call it fodderdow) to beat stranger? Mnemos said it very clearly that even shadow could not cope with such power, and it only obeyed to two people in history, the desccendant and the hero, because it originally belonged to them. The historical importance index...whoever has it the highest ultimately commands the verse. Pretty much plot armour. Mnemos said it very clearly that only the descendant of shadow could match the descendant of shadow, and no one else, not even shadow. Not to mention that shadow had already died by then. Sf3 shadow is also stronger than sf2 shadow due to historical importance index. If your sf2 shadow or "underworld fodderdow" had any chance, he'd have summoned them, but he didn't. He made it very clear that only the hero can match stranger and no one else. (Which stranger was holding back against in epilogue).
Your boy shadow was surpassed, like it is confirmed in the game. Don't be nostalgic to deny the facts, just accept that.
Yey @TheGamingDragon "Ornamental or Oriental"
oriental
@@The_Gaming_Dragon And why are the Oriental Stabers your favorite BTW my favorite is Ornamental because it makes me look like volcano😅
@@DreadHades-p9e Its combo is just really good at spamming
@The_Gaming_Dragon And finally what is your favorite and least favorite enchantment and why??
I like frenzy because instead of taking damage for it to activate like overheat successful hits on enemies increases damage
And my least favorite is blood rage because I don't like the fact of loosing some health just to deal extra damage cause it certain situations like boss battle it could only make you lose
@@DreadHades-p9e my favorite is time shift because the animation is cool, least favorite is blood rage for the same reason you told
Bro you haven't posted for like 2 months ago
I've recently returned. A lot happened, also I regretted thinking office jobs were more profitable than having a YT channel
Want to focus on other games as well. Would be glad if you have suggestions
What did Proximus inherit from May?
Affinity with shadow energy/mind probably
@@Iankiambi she was a shadow demon like lynx , hermit etc. It was confirmed in Shadow fight 3's epilogue ( Mnemos tells this to player and Lynx also mentioned it). So he inherited demonic powers.
Proximus inherited May's calm manner of dealing with problems. Proximus also sometimes, if he sees something morally wrong, tends to overreact ( similar to his mom ). On the other hand Stranger doesn't really care about justice much ( similar to his dad before he met May )
I badly want a shadow fight 2 remake
you got shades
Y como harías un remake de un juego donde los gráficos son figuras negras? Le añades más definición a las sombras?😅
@@el_gamepro2134 I meant a remake with shadow fight 3 graphics and background .
@@el_gamepro2134 haciendo que las figuras negras tengan texturas?, básicamente haciendo que sea como un shadow fight 3, pero con la historia del 2, y gráficos del arena, a decir verdad desde que vi como pelea sombra en el sf3, siempre quise poder usarlo, se me hacen muy satisfactorio el combo de patadas que hace XD
What if sly descendant existed in the game or descendant of sensai who helps the Descendant.
The descendant is obvs stronger
Shadow>>>>>> descendant any day😂
No @@snehashisganguly5147
@@snehashisganguly5147Descendants erased shadow fom every timeline still u think that shadow is stronger nice.
@@pronabchakrobortty9163 shadow is stronger any day
@snehashisganguly5147 Outdated logic, son can be stronger than the father anyday.
Just leave, you sf2 fanboys are little whiny kids who got trouble accepting to the real facts. Always day dreaming your fantasy of personal satisfaction that every argument of you nostalgic sf2 fanboys is just made up headcanons.
Even underworld is confirmed canon, tenebris is predicted to be june's victim. Your argument's a joke.
Bro I want to know if a ranged weapon is of 117 gems at level 50 and I haven't purchased it yet
Then what will be the total amount of gems required to max it if I am purchasing it now that means at level 52
idk, never counted it, but it's probably a decent amount
Sf3 let's stop shadow and his descendant
Sf2 let's be shadow
lol
There is a one misunderstanding. It is confirmed that Underworld takes place in a different timeline that sf3 never took place.
Bueno, no cambia mucho en cuanto la medición de poder
It is canon. It is now confirmed. Underworld takes place in the same timeline in canon.
@@Oreo_Editz but what power Shadow has in those timelines is kinda of weird like reality manipulation etc but still ended up getting thrashed by stranger.
I want to ask another question in chapter I forgot the cleansing part, at that point who has more HII shadow descendant (player) or shadow? If Shadow has more why does he end up dying whilst the cleansing part still takes place?
@@Oreo_Editz And one more question: If Shadow had higher HII before, why didn't he just use HII's power for reality and fate manipulation, such as reviving May and wishing that the descendant was dead before he got the chance to become stronger than Shadow?
@@sixpathguide5539i can answer that question,thats cuz underworld isn t cannon to sf 3
But i have a question, why shadow not use ancident magic?, everyone in sf3 alway use shadow enegry, should they dont know magic, but shadow know hermit secret, why shadow dont use?
Puede ser que no la usa porque no es tan fuerte, la energía de las sombras es una magia super ultra poderosa, ya que proviene del mismísimo mundo de las sombras, y además el tenía tecnología como el robot gigante, o el escudo de energía, no necesitaba usar magia antigua que es más débil que la energía de las sombras
Magic in shadow fight 2 needed the user to wear a magic amulet or necklace. The people in the world may have just simply stopped using it because shadow energy was much stronger.
@@Shades45 magic is probably shadow ability of amulet
@@Shades45 they said something similar to that ( devs of SF )
how many desendants did he have and who was the little girl at end and what is that black soul and last
all of these question are hard to explain in one sentence
shadow had more than hundreds of millions of descendants at least
the little girl is Moira, the daughter of the King of the Legion
the black soul is Shadow mind
I want to know if sf3 is on xbox one. I saw an article that suggested the idea but I do not fully believe in it yet. Could I ask you to dive deeper on that thing and maybe do a video about it?
I also saw guys making vids about it and articles, were they of no help?
@@The_Gaming_Dragon thanks for responding. I did not know that there is more about it. I just saw it today and i knew that you know about sf3 a lot so thanks. I will search about it more.
@@Morowasder I read Nekki made something similar in 2017 on xbox
idk if that's true or not
just what I found
@@The_Gaming_Dragonyo también recuerdo, no sé dónde, un anuncio de que el juego sería lanzado para Xbox y Playstation, pero supongo que, o era falso, o nekki no pudo cumplir con la promesa 😢
What if solo leveling final boss was shadow mind..
so you don't know
or you know but trying to find their similarities
@@The_Gaming_Dragon well I just collab two different concepts it's like manwha comic and mobile game
Bro made Oreo_editz cry
Lmao did you watch the full video?😂
@@ABSOLUTE_INFINITY8 yes sir,
What did you expect?
@@insectzilla673Lmao your discord for debates?
The video literally says what i said
Sf3 shadow > Sf2 shadow
And also says proximus and stranger > shadow
What it does debunk is your silly little sf2 caps.
@@Oreo_Editz which plane is Stranger the strongest in?
Is the void room in shadow fight 3 is the hermet's dojo in shadow fight 2
How? Void room is void room....hermit's dojo is just a dojo.
i played the game a very long time ago but if i remember correctly , the void room is something like an overpowered sentient supercomputer. It inhabits many Herald elders' conciousness, or something, but, most importantly, May who died.
Just to clarify one thing
Underworld isn t cannon to shadow fight 3 or anyother games that isn t shadow fight 2
Bro is unknown to all the latest infos 💀
Saitama's cosmology buff also negs shadow at this point.
@@Oreo_Editz and yet Saitama beats stranger
@@andreix4025stranger - extremely difficulty
Soon saitama will beat the open void, open void can destroy the whole multiverse of opm since parallel universes are introduced in opm. So the opm cosmology is a multiversal structure. Open void has power to destroy the whole multiverse. And saitama will eventually fight and beat the open void. And all saitama takes is 1 punch. Putting his physical attributes to multiverse level. I'd like to see shadow compete with that strength.
Sf3 shadow could extreme difficulty because he has HII.
Sf2 shadow gets obliterated against saitama.
@@Oreo_Editz hold on one sec
Saitama-mid difficullty
Bro i want ask that can proximus kill shadow in his prime form become a shadow cant be killed he has no mass no lungs and has ultimate strength (underworld shadow)
yes, proximus can create a universe from scratch
devs made him too powerful
@@The_Gaming_Dragon thanks for clarifying 😇
Shadow has lungs, idk who made that up.
@@Oreo_Editz are you mad or something have you seen your shadow have lungs
@@rishitarora1199 He isn't a literal 2d shadow, developers claimed that the shadow energy from the demons destroyed his flesh and soul and it made him covered with a shadow essence which they called the shadow shell. You sf2 fans drop in the debate with no logic or knowledge, just drop here defending your fodderdow. He himself takes a deep breath after losing his body and soul in the intro. No lungs? How is he breathing then? Watch the intro again.
In my mind i think shadow himself became weak as we know shadow in shadow form could not die and did not age however as he got his physical form back he could age and possibly die shadow obviously kept his strength and i also think sensei died of old age shadow would never kill his master and i also think that if shadow kept his shadow form he would have become insanely strong even beyond titans strength and eventually he would literally be so powerful you could not even imagine his strength
seems to make sense until you realize he didn't age
I explained in the video about his age, that he lived longer than two or three centuries remaining so youthful
Shadow ha vivido como mínimo 100 años después de SF2, no puedes decir que envejece como un humano normal
@@The_Gaming_Dragon still in sf3 he has gray hair and often fight bare handed but also lost his ability to use magic
But prime shadow is a different beast beating concepts in physical form
Remember an old bare hand shadow with nothing but pants and a shield was one of the hardest challenge for sf3 main character
It's just that the shadow descended is a pay to win person while shadow is a pure skill player
And knowing sf3 we know how that fight will go
@@04cassius-jakeShadow in sf3 has historical importance index. Sf2 would get slaughtered here.
@@Oreo_Editz HII is irrelevant to combat. It just means that you can ensure history plays out according to your will. In Ch 7, Shadow lost to Proximus even though he still had the highest HII.
*instantly heads to the comment section*
you just described what I do every day
Can you do 10 strongest character in sf3
would be controversial, no matter what I say
@@The_Gaming_Dragon yeah
Can you do a shadow fight powerscaling
idk, a lot of people would be angry
this one already got a lot of criticism
@@The_Gaming_Dragon Ah?dang it
@@The_Gaming_DragonLet the fanboys bark, they always get offended if their chadow gets defeated. Its just that the nostalgic fanboys use no logic or proofs and just day dreaming some nostalgia.
@@Oreo_Editz haha, will consider doing
5:03 hmm
Why doesn’t Proximus fight May?
why would he need to fight his mom?
@@The_Gaming_Dragon I was just curious since Proximus likes to defeat everyone. Sorry if this question was bad, so maybe May is too innocent for Proximus to fight with? if so then Maybe Proximus is also Kind which makes him a greater character than he already is.
@@Iankiambi True that Proximus wants to defeat everyone, but that's to receive approval of other ( likely because he grew up without parents and amid the dark era of the legion ) and to prove himself, to be somebody
he doesn't need to do that to May, he never sees her as a threat, nor does he feel the need he needs extra recognition, May already admires her beloved son and always supports him
5:46
that's when you lost me in your argument
everyone knows that fighting skills & martial arts are acquired abilities NOT INHERITED
so saying that stranger is strong because Shadow is his father make no sense at all
(unless he got trained by Shadow which didn't happen)
Stranger become stronger through his own efforts
(and his clones)
to clear some stuff I noticed in this channel
the true shadow descendant between chapter 1-7.2 is Stranger not "Proximus"
Proximus is Itu Plane's copy of shadow descendant
as for Shadow's Descendant in epilogue it's a completely new descendant summoned by ancient's artifact from other characters memories to be the exact opposite of stranger
tolerance/talent to shadow energy is inherited
Proximus and Stranger are capable of controlling Shadow mind just because they're sons of the strongest warrior
think about how many characters tried to get their hands on the sphere, yet all either failed or went crazy
the entire faction of heralds is built on the concept of inheriting special abilities related to shadow energy ( which in turn means strength ) and is the reason Kibo's dream of becoming a herald was crushed
shadow fight 3 is not a real world, even if it were, if your parents have trained their entire lives, you'd have much more potential to muscle strength and growth than someone average
@@The_Gaming_Dragon
OK we can agree that being the son of both : a powerful worrier who got his soul & flesh turned by shadow energy & a former shadow demon is an advantage
But for shadow mind he was supposed to be born a part of shadow's descendant if not for the accident
I would like to clarify something
Stranger & Shadow's Descendant isn't different person but rather 2 faces of the same coin after epilogue the game refers to him as "shadow me" in the characters page next to adventure mode so they should have the same appearance & all other aspects except personality
@@crimsonblaze2838 but they look different
in fact, nekki said themselves Stranger was never alive nor dead, he's a mere probability of existence ( how ironic that he himself called the MC that way )
after time travels sometimes clones are drastically different ( Stranger had female clones, some of his clones were entirely different, as if it was a different fate Proximus/Stranger could've gone through )
@@The_Gaming_Dragon
that's why I hate multiverses thay are a headache
Stranger isn't a copy he's descendant in chapter 1-7.2
since you mentioned fate haven't we forgotten another descendant?
liberator is a copy of stranger but managed to be free from his destiny
(stranger control)
I personally think that "master of the shadow world" is descendant ture appearance (armor) because if it isn't his no body deserve it
@@crimsonblaze2838 truth is nekki themselves made the plot too complex, and some things don't even make sense
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If Stranger is real descendant of Shadow then who is protagonist/player/main character/Proximus? Please make a video on this topic.😅
nah, Proximus is the real one, as it turns out
@@The_Gaming_Dragon So Stranger wasn't son of Shadow and May ?
@@RehanAnsari-w8g he is a copy of Proximus
not sure that you can tell he isn't their son, since he's a copy
Is he still alive?
shadow or stranger?
But if sf3 shadow fighting his descendant with all his equipment
Who would win
Cuál equipo? Puedes ponerle el quipo que quieras a Shadow y a Proximus también, no tiene sentido
@@el_gamepro2134 english?
Still descendant would win. Because the story would progress the same. And the plot.
@@Oreo_Editz wow
So you watch this channel like me huh?
I mean with his amour and his helmet and his weapons
Çizgi roman Gölge > Gölgenin Çocuğu (Yabancı) , Gölge zihin, Gölgenin çocuğu
Comic shadow is a city level fodder. No feats.
@@Oreo_Editz ben senin videolsrındsda tartışmıştık. Tier : Evren Seviyesi+
Gölgenin çocuğu : 8-C en yüksek High 3-A
@@djtunah28Proof?
Shadow in comics only defeated lynx, hermit and butcher who are all town level. They are all xiang tzu's victim. Comic shadow is an absolute fodder in terms of scaling, he'd be placed on the same tier as xiang tzu.
@@Oreo_Editz vs battle wiki.kasabı öldürmüyor bu 1. Ayrıca sen yabancı hayranısın ama bilmediğin şey Gölgenin dayanıklılığı sonsuz olduğu. Yabancı ise öldü
@@djtunah28Stranger's durability is multiversal level due to taking in all the energies of the gates of shadows which wouldnt just kill 1 of the worlds but all its reflections and surviving, destroying the gates would only make him stronger, making it multiversal level. + shadow's durability is fodder level and has no feats of surviving anything. He almost lost to shroud the first time they fought. The wank is crazy though. Vsbattlewiki isnt even correct, it scales most of the characters incorrectly, it even scales shadow to planet level.
Comic shadow only defeated lynx, hermit and butcher, he hasnt even defeated titan or tenebris or even shogun. All the guys shadow in comics defeated are all xiang tzu's victims. Comic shadow is on the same level as xiang tzu which is city level at highest.
Ok it was good to learn these but what about ITU and the real life player Dont take it as a joke think about it i am an OG
Itu and the real life player? real life player
Shadow couldn’t even beat proxima in Itu’s plane. A weaker version of the original proxima. It’s not even close
Bueno, Shadow en ese momento tampoco tenía al robot gigante, ni a la mente sombría, Proximus era más débil, pero Shadow también. No digo que Shadow sea más fuerte, pero es para aclararlo
He was trying not powerful
yeah, that's what I was talking about at the conclusion
Not to mention that the descendant's copies in the transformation planes were stated to be unstable. Still descendant from itu's plane and marcus's plane also beat shadow.
@@Oreo_Editz shadow was not trying
😂ha ha comparing son with his father. Nonsense
Just like your comment
True. stranger negs Shadow
well you might call it nonsense, but people ask me for years about this topic
I can bet they will ask again and again even after this video, because it's so debatable, at least from commentator's perspective😂
@@PEEKAEDITZ wtf is true abt that. I never intended to say that stranger negs shadow
@@funnychannel5068 We got an offended hopeless fellow here
Shadowwwww >>>>> his sons ( father is always a father)
Outdated logic, son can be stronger than the father anyday.
Just leave, you sf2 fanboys are little whiny kids who got trouble accepting to the real facts. Always day dreaming your fantasy of personal satisfaction that every argument of you nostalgic sf2 fanboys is just made up headcanons.
Argumentos: Fanboy
@@el_gamepro2134 it's fact 😂😂😂
@@el_gamepro2134 shadows sf2 journeys ( forget sf shades sf2 is enough) >>>>≥> descendant
@@snehashisganguly5147haven't played sf3 yet?
Shadow, lost shadow is stronger he would of use magic/shades and his son would be dead plus he was testing 🎉
Oreo get his ass
@@CoCAinE4kIdzz uni reverus
@@CoCAinE4kIdzz guko is weak
@@CoCAinE4kIdzz haha, don't start a war here
First.pin me.I liked my own comment because no one else did 😢😢😢
WTF worst powerscaling ever
Porque no gano quien tú querías, supongo 😂
Shadow fanboys really need a reality check, lol.
@@Oreo_Editz we can Debate
@@Christian-qq5sxNo need for a debate. Sf3 shadow is stronger than sf2 shadow. I'd just need 1 scan to cancel out all your claims.
@@Oreo_Editz no it's base From shadow not shadow with full shadow Powers lmao
Is the void room in shadow fight 3 is the hermet's dojo in shadow fight 2
nah, void room was built by heralds
@@The_Gaming_Dragon why are not uploading
@@What_do_you_mean_jake I've returned yesterday to UA-cam
will take some time to get to know what video to make