Taking my two year old son to the NRM on our way up to the Lake District this coming September. He’s train obsessed and has never seen a full sized locomotive. He also loves watching your videos with me, lots of ‘Oooo’, ‘aaahhh’ and ‘Woooww’ when we watch them. Thank you Sam!
haha that'd be amazing! Still not at the level where I could top a professional manufacturer... still way below the likes of those, at least with FDM ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
After a couple of years of watching your videos and deliberating, I finally bought my first OO gauge setup yesterday. I'm no good at CAD but I love the idea of making your own models like this one. Exceptional work!
You are absolutely brilliant! The Loco looks absolutely stunning and I think you have done excellently in bringing such an obscure model to life! Keep up the great work ^^
That is some fantastic work. Arranging the motor vertically seems a brilliant idea. Seeing a gap under the boiler on the prototype was very cool because you can see both of the coupling rods moving when the loco is in motion.
The timing on releasing this video is impeccable Sam, a video from curator with a camera at the NRM just went up in the last couple of weeks actually showcasing the very same engine. And shows some of its history before arriving at the NRM.
I have a question for Sam, when you went to the NRM did the Q1 class loco have its tender connected? because the last time I went, the tender was decatched and was outside, I was confused but I almost immediately took a picture of the full cab. now with that out of the way, nice video sam!
I didn't happen to notice - I'm pretty sure it had it's tender when I went a few months back, but can't remember whether it was connected! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Ooh, finally I have a chance to share my daily trivia! I live a 20-minute drive away from Barrow, where she was based, and according to the local museum, the old 'Indian Red' livery Coppernob carried contained local iron ore, although when they restored her, they didn't take this into account, which is why you can see varying shades of red on the loco in real life!
Oh, I love this! I have a 3D printer, I just need to know what bits to order - other than the loco wheels. I'm not sure you gave a part number for the bearings and the motor and its gears. But I guess that comes later. I think my son would love to get involved with the painting. I'm wondering about fitting a very small wired DCC decoder at the front of the smokebox. Thanks so much for doing this. Next thing to do is maybe do a tutorial or two on how to do all this in Sketchup. Thanks again!
I would also like to know what motors are used as I have not yet found a suitable motor to power my 3d printed model. As for bushings, I guess they are something like 2mm bronze bushings from aliexpress.
That's incredible Sam, your previous designs are amazing but wow this seems like a massive leap forward. Your choice of subject is fantastic too, It's a cute litte engine. Can't wait to see you paint and assemble it, I bet it'll look lovely when its done. Great work Sam, thanks for showing us.
I'm glad you made an Era 1 locomotive that has the motor in the locomotive and not the tender I'd really like to see you make a variation of your model to look like number 25 on the same page. Some other suggestions for future 3D printed projects I have are all items that are in the NRM collection: Queen Adelaide's coach, Grand Junction Railway Mail Car, Bodmin and Wadebridge 2nd class coach, (these coaches could look nice with the Old Coppernob) NER 1001 class, North Eastern Railway "Aerolite", North Eastern Railway bo-bo electric, and NER M1 class 4-4-0
Sam, I dont want to sound selfish but for your next 3d printed locomotive project please consider some irish broad gauge stuff as we have less ready to run models than coppernob has wheels. Coppernob looks fabulous though.
Brilliant Sam, I wonder if crow I almost said it looks like the locomotive on the seal of my city, but on closer look that loco is a 2-2--0. I do have a photo of a 2-2-2 built in Lowell in the1830's or 40's. But both have the same boiler and firebox design. Our first locomotive was built by Stephenson in England.
Looks great Sam! If it’s not too late to make one small suggestion, if your cut-outs at the bottom of the firebox for wheel clearance followed the curve of the wheel instead of being square, they would be completely hidden by the splashers. Also, if you tapered the splashers slightly so that the outward-facing sides were smaller and the inward-facing sides were the same as they currently are, it might give them more of the illusion of scale while accommodating the oversized flanges. That might be something worth trying, but it would be a matter of finding the right compromise where the sides of the splashers look as good as possible but the taper of the tops isn’t too noticeable. Ok, that was two suggestions! Anyway, I’m really enjoying your 3D printing adventures.
You're absolutely right Richard - this didn't occur to me until it was too late, but a curved cutout would have been so much better! The good news is it's very hard to spot with the rest of the detail fitted! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
On Shapeways, Newmans Miniatures has Coppernob and a Tender. Shapeways will print this and deliver to your door. I have been quite happy with the prints I've received so far. (NOT a paid endorsement, just a happy customer)
Really impressive work Sam. The design process and such an iconic locomotive too. Best of luck with the "production" version, hope it goes well and looking forward to the video.
Lovely piece of work Sam. It’ll be interesting to see this next to your first locomotive attempt once it’s all finished. Very much looking forward to the next installment. Well done 👍 Rob
Very interesting. I don't have any intention of getting into 3D printing, but this design process is quite engaging in itself. And it's quite impressive to see that the prototype ran so well right away. I'm looking forward to seeing the more detailed modelling stages as they become physical. I'm a little surprised that you've designed things with 3D printed hand rails - I would have thought that those parts would be weak done that way (unless made chunky), so I would have expected you to use wire of some sort. But then I don't have any experience with fine 3D printed parts.
That's excellent, I don't have a printer as yet, but I'm tempted to get one to make this little gem. I'm already working on how to use copper tape to get the finish on the "knob".
That is amazing Sam , you make it all look and sound relatively simple . One way to improve the general running and slow speed running would be to use a gear tower to reduce the overall gearing of the loco , the motor would have to be hidden in the boiler and the gear tower in the firebox where you currently have the motor . It really does look superb though and I can not wait to see the completed loco . I would definitely buy one from you if you made them to sell as I live in west Cumbria where the FR operated .
Thanks very much Dave - a gear tower would absolutely have been preferable, but in this case incorporating one into the boiler would've added complexity and reduced the space for weight in the boiler... so I decided to simplify as much as possible. These won't be for sale unfortunately, but I am planning to make the designs available for free! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
What a fantastic sketchup model, well done I know how much patience you need to create a 3D model like that and then to make it actually work well that is pure genius! This is a very elegant locomotive and I think dates back to about 1845, the Indian Red paint work on the real thing is beautiful the splashers remind me of mud guards on cars in the 1920's. well done
haha thank you so much - I absolutely love the challenge - such fun! You're right about the mud guards too - that's exactly what they look like! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think this model other than the few compromises here and there looks to be fairly accurate and as we've seen with the prototype it should run pretty well so I think you've got a good locomotive going for ya
Lovely video, I love seeing how you're models have improved so far!! Bit of a fun fact, but the large "coppernob" on the rear isn't a dome, but actually part of the firebox! Early locos like that had large "Haystack" style fireboxes to help make more heat
Great work there Sam. If I had known you wanted / needed some full lenght side shots of Copperknob I could have sent you some, about 20 years ago she was displayed in one of the side galleries and on full view side on so I took a load of piccies of her. But never mind youve done a fine enough job anyway, Also when it comes to painting, decorating, to get a good copper effect for the firebox have you considered using gold leaf to cover the fire box and then give it a light brown wash over the top to dull it down a bit, then varnish over the lot to seal it in. Its a trick some old modelers used back in the 70's and the results can be very effective. Or I've just noticed you can get copper leaf sheets... which will be a lot less hassle.
Thanks very much Jon - ahh that would've been very handy actually - thanks for the kind offer! Gold leaf would be excellent actually - great idea! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Very impressive, Sam! With the inside of the boiler available (at least in principle) due to the location of the motor there might be room for a small DCC decoder and keep-alive module. My experience with a couple of small diesels suggests that DCC can make a huge difference in low speed performance provided you choose a good decoder like those from TCS. In any case, your work is great and you should be very proud. I hope you did OK with the recent heat wave over there as it was a big news item here in the US. Cheers from Wisconsin!
You are a marvel, this is excellent, in the near future I feel you will produce more fine scale models, loads of support and respect. Rodge David kidderminster uk 🇬🇧 x
Cracking project Sam. Well, in all fairness, scaling down a model does trick the eyes anyway when it comes to accurate scale. Hence, as long as she looks credibly recognisable as per prototype no one will compare with a ruler at hand, lol. Is there by any chance room left for a capacitor somewhere Sam? Perhaps in the tender, although that would require some wires of course. Excellent work. We can’t wait to see the final result. Cheers.
Awesome to see your skills in 3d printing still are improving Sam, will you ever try printing some modular buildings or try making a action feature set i think you will enjoy the challenge, always great to see what you can achieve.
As the trade does lost wax cast brass handrail knobs and etch brass small components, and even finer model on this brilliant basis could be created. Lovely stuff
It's most likely the drawing that based on what the designer meant the loco to be, and the loco was then built differently as was common practice in the days of steam, finding 2 engines that are 100 percent identical is almost impossible as there was always something different, the closer you get to the end of steam the smaller the variation (this is even more prominent on traction engines as they were a lot more slapdash in comparison because they were built for farmers).
Looks like it's going to be another beautiful looking 3D printed loco, great work! I don't know much about electroplating, but I'm wondering now, would it be possible to make more details (or possibly even bigger things like the running plate) on a 3D printed loco have more metal work by electroplating them?
Speaking of furness railway ‘old coppernob’, you should try and make a Furness Railway K2 class locomotive and after you‘re finished with it you should put a Edward face on it from Thomas and friends! (Specifically a hornby Edward face)
I know there are 3D scanning devices that can take 3D pictures of objects and then you can import then 3D print them. I wonder if there are some larger versions of them that could scan an entire train. A friend of mine works for Autodesk and for practice and testing his skills I gave him an object that broke into a few pieces. He 3D scanned them, then used CAD/Fusion to piece them back together and 3D printed a new part.
Hey Sam! awesome project!! my suggestion for the mechanism, however a bit more complex it may be, why don't you put the coreless motor in the boiler and have a few gears joining it to the driving wheels? I get its more work but with the correct gear ratios you should be able to slow it down and make it a smoother runner with the addition of more gears. The bad cogging was due to that big gear? and to join the small gears to the big gears, id suggest a design similar to the ringfield in terms of the gears itself, having them join back to back instead of the circumferences touching.
Yes that was the only other option, and I did consider it. The reason I decided not to was that this would involve splitting the bottom of the boiler, and the chassis would have to be a very odd shape indeed. This would also lead to some very thin walls on the body, as well as limited space for adding weight. The extra gears would have been awesome for performance... but I thought my method was the best compromise! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great work Sam on your prototype, it might be worth looking at what the builders of the locomotive were also making at the time for other similar locos they built. Unless the Furness Railway gave them strict specifications, manufacturers would back then as they do now use parts they've used on other builds to save money.
@@SamsTrains They also built the Great Southern and Western Railway 2-2-2 No. 36, built in 1847, now at Cork Kent railway station, Cork, Republic of Ireland. The design layout is very similar
Sam, can you do loco with an outside cylinder instead inside the cylinder in your previous projects all inside cylinder locos, also you do diesel and electric locos like British Rail Class 28, British Rail Class D16/2, British rail class 70 electric, and LNER Class ES1, and pre-group rolling stocks in oo and n gauges? Good luck Sam and nice video.
It's very impressive Sam. Considering that you can get wire hand rail kits fairly inexpensively from eBay, might it be worth replacing the 3d printed hand rails with wire? It would help add a gram or two as well.
Sam. I don't know if the cordless motor I have in mind would have enough power but that said here is my idea. Here in the states kato usa is using absolutely tiny coreless motors in their n scale fef3 4-8-4 union pacific locomotives. This motor albeit in n scale is as smooth and powerful as many of my top level locomotives with high quality 5 powers and it can easily be fitted with a small flywheel. Im thinking it should have enough power for your application
Hey there I just would like to say I'm really happy you're making these videos showing your processes of how you're doing stuff it's really cool and I appreciate that it makes for good content I have a request though I really do think you should consider creating a large Classic diesel of some kind you've only done steam engines up to this point and while I am not disappointed I think it's really cool that you're starting small and perfecting one way of doing things I would like to request that you should do some diesels of some kind but if you are trying to stick to locomotives and trying to perfect that process which I can understand and then move on to diesels I'd like you to try and do a larger locomotive perhaps a large American Freight locomotive of some kind I just think it would be interesting and prove to be the next challenging step but this is just my request and thoughts keep it up you're doing cool work can't wait until my life finally stabilizes and I have the time space and money to do this kind of experimentation myself
Wow Sam I'm so impressed by your skills it's a early era 1 locomotive those are my favourite it looks so cool. The motor solution is quite a big coincidence like me when I designed my n Gauge layout without a trackplan and got away with no problems later 😅 but seriously even in prototype stage this locomotive looks one step up again from Gladstone in my opinion due to the very innovative motor design. Can't wait until you finish it :D I have one suggestion though for the coupling maybe you can try the hornby chain coupling like the ones on Rocket and such? I think it would look a bit better than the massive nem coulings. Great work, Sam 👍
Thank you so much! Yes I got very lucky with the motor placement/gearing... I had so few options... just so glad it worked out! Yes a chain coupling would definitely be preferable - and my buffer beam design could probably support one too! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Apropos the National Railway Museum at York, I was very surprised to see when I visited some years ago as to how little consideration was given to actually making their historically significant selection of rolling stock actually viewable. It seemed to me like they were more concerned with creating a fun day out for families, for example by building a faux station platform, which unfortunately hid the running gear of the locomotive I had come to see. Many of the locos were so crammed together that it was impossible to get a clear view of their entire profiles or take a halfway decent photo. I wish that the staff and management would realize their responsibility of prioritizing the the collection first and foremost as historical objects for seriously interested visitors, instead of a kind of railway Disneyland or jam-packed storage facility.
Superb job Sam It looks great! If DCC can be installed that will vastly improve the slow running (assuming that it works with the type of motor you've installed).
I think this is probably doable. Take the pickup wires from the loco through to the tender, where they join up to the tender pickups, that goes to the decoder, then you have another pair of wires going forward from the decoder to the motor. Might even be able to squeeze a stay alive capacitor in there, but won't know until I start playing around.
This is very interesting. I've started making models from scratch myself (1/43 scale buses, but with old fashioned handcrafted technology), but watching you work I'm considering having a go at CAD and eventually 3D printing. Besides taking detailed photos and using the technical drawing, did you take any measurements of the loco at the NRM?
Awesome design Sam. Looks so realistic! Your skills with Sketchup has gotten very impressive. This would look great hauling a rake of Accurascale chaldron wagons. Funny enough, it would be a reverse to the usual price difference between loco and wagons wouldn't it! 😆
Thanks very much Pete - I really enjoy using Sketchup, just very confident with it now! The chaldrons are a very good call - I'll definitely try that! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The only thing that I’m curious about is, with the bearings being metal, couldn’t you theoretically have the pickup wires touch the outside of the front wheel bearings, that way you wouldn’t have to worry about pickup replacement down the road due to no friction on them?
As someone who does 3D models. A Resin printer would be ideal for getting brilliant quality. And I could lend a hand in the designing, or at least provide pointers for modelling. For now, great job, Keep improving and you shall go very far
This just in...........Hornby to announce Furness available in shops Monday 25th July 2022 🤣 Looks great so far Sam. I think the next loco should be an O gauge Rocket or even Furness !
I think it has been said before, but you should really look into getting a resin 3d printer. I have one and it can produce very high detail models, without needing to worry about filament size. Fumes aren’t too much of an issue for me, but then again I live in a two story house and stay upstairs while the printer works downstairs.
Sam you are a genius and as a Furness resident, if you produce some of these I'd love to have one, Old Copperknob lived in a glass enclosure here at Barrow Station for many years until a german bommber decided to use it for target practice grrr.
Did you use phosphor-bronze for the pick ups? This is a naturally springy and oily metal which I find works great for pick ups. Pickups in the tender might also help running smoothly.
Yes I've tried phosphor-bronze, but struggled to find it in slim enough pieces. I've had a huge amount of success using extremely thin copper or brass wire - to the tune of 0.3 or even 0.4mm... they need to be kept clean, but they produce almost zero friction, which leads to incredibly smooth running models! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam i think it's supercool when u 3d print locos that aren't in model form or when u print some early locos it's a different feeling seeing u craft ur own
Good job on that model. Your first foray into making your completely own chassis and mechanism. When 3D printers can create surfaces that rival injection molding this realy will be a good way to produce your own models. You can make the boiler banding by painting 0.25mm styrene strips and wrap them around the boiler. Is how I've done when making boiler banding on custom models.
Hi Sam, What bearings did you use, I'm struggling to find suitable bearing in my own one, you said they were easy to find, but I've searched for brass 2mm bearings and nothing. All the best, Will
Looks great, modelling is always a comprise between authenticity and practicality. And some great left field thinking re: pickups and motor/gear placement. Looking forward to the rest of the videos about this especially the one where you put a DCC sound decoder in the boiler and speaker in the tender 😉
Great work, it really looks the part, I think you’re under selling the amount of work that has gone into that. One of the great things about 3D printing is if something is not right, you can tweak the design and go again. Finally where did you get the motor and bearings from?
Thanks so much Matt - yes it was a lot of work... but you know what it's like when you enjoy these things, doesn't really feel like work! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Taking my two year old son to the NRM on our way up to the Lake District this coming September. He’s train obsessed and has never seen a full sized locomotive.
He also loves watching your videos with me, lots of ‘Oooo’, ‘aaahhh’ and ‘Woooww’ when we watch them. Thank you Sam!
We need more manufacturers making early designs like these, they're so cool
We do!! I'd love to see this loco done as RTR :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains are you going to make a part 2
Absolutely
@@SamsTrains Hey Sam. I'd love to buy a fully built model like this from you. That is, if you could make one for me?
"You can't see the mechanism at all"
Hornby's £200 Rocket: *gEaR*
@samstrains now there is an idea - design a 3d printed rocket better than the big H's
haha that'd be amazing! Still not at the level where I could top a professional manufacturer... still way below the likes of those, at least with FDM ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I reckon Sam could easily made a better gandy dancer!
After a couple of years of watching your videos and deliberating, I finally bought my first OO gauge setup yesterday. I'm no good at CAD but I love the idea of making your own models like this one. Exceptional work!
You are absolutely brilliant! The Loco looks absolutely stunning and I think you have done excellently in bringing such an obscure model to life! Keep up the great work ^^
That is some fantastic work. Arranging the motor vertically seems a brilliant idea. Seeing a gap under the boiler on the prototype was very cool because you can see both of the coupling rods moving when the loco is in motion.
Thanks so much Trent - yes I really wanted that gap under the boiler! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The timing on releasing this video is impeccable Sam, a video from curator with a camera at the NRM just went up in the last couple of weeks actually showcasing the very same engine.
And shows some of its history before arriving at the NRM.
Ooh fantastic - I'll have to look at that video! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I watched it yesterday, twice, so watching the gestation of Sam's version was doubly fascinating. I eagerly await the final video.
I have a question for Sam, when you went to the NRM did the Q1 class loco have its tender connected? because the last time I went, the tender was decatched and was outside, I was confused but I almost immediately took a picture of the full cab. now with that out of the way, nice video sam!
The tender is still not attached, visited a few weeks ago
I didn't happen to notice - I'm pretty sure it had it's tender when I went a few months back, but can't remember whether it was connected!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The tender still is outside (visited two days ago)
@@T3ki1a_ interesting
Ooh, finally I have a chance to share my daily trivia! I live a 20-minute drive away from Barrow, where she was based, and according to the local museum, the old 'Indian Red' livery Coppernob carried contained local iron ore, although when they restored her, they didn't take this into account, which is why you can see varying shades of red on the loco in real life!
Oh, I love this! I have a 3D printer, I just need to know what bits to order - other than the loco wheels. I'm not sure you gave a part number for the bearings and the motor and its gears. But I guess that comes later. I think my son would love to get involved with the painting. I'm wondering about fitting a very small wired DCC decoder at the front of the smokebox. Thanks so much for doing this. Next thing to do is maybe do a tutorial or two on how to do all this in Sketchup. Thanks again!
I would also like to know what motors are used as I have not yet found a suitable motor to power my 3d printed model. As for bushings, I guess they are something like 2mm bronze bushings from aliexpress.
That's incredible Sam, your previous designs are amazing but wow this seems like a massive leap forward. Your choice of subject is fantastic too, It's a cute litte engine. Can't wait to see you paint and assemble it, I bet it'll look lovely when its done. Great work Sam, thanks for showing us.
I'm glad you made an Era 1 locomotive that has the motor in the locomotive and not the tender
I'd really like to see you make a variation of your model to look like number 25 on the same page.
Some other suggestions for future 3D printed projects I have are all items that are in the NRM collection: Queen Adelaide's coach, Grand Junction Railway Mail Car, Bodmin and Wadebridge 2nd class coach, (these coaches could look nice with the Old Coppernob) NER 1001 class, North Eastern Railway "Aerolite", North Eastern Railway bo-bo electric, and NER M1 class 4-4-0
Sam, I dont want to sound selfish but for your next 3d printed locomotive project please consider some irish broad gauge stuff as we have less ready to run models than coppernob has wheels. Coppernob looks fabulous though.
Its incredible how far you have come.
I grew up in Barrow in Furness so Furness railway is related to my home town.
Superb work, Sam! Seriously, you put a smile on my face when the prototype started moving on the track, with no hickups! Thank you for sharing! 😊👏👍
Brilliant Sam, I wonder if crow
I almost said it looks like the locomotive on the seal of my city, but on closer look that loco is a 2-2--0. I do have a photo of a 2-2-2 built in Lowell in the1830's or 40's. But both have the same boiler and firebox design. Our first locomotive was built by Stephenson in England.
Thanks a lot Richard - I'll have to look into that! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looks great Sam! If it’s not too late to make one small suggestion, if your cut-outs at the bottom of the firebox for wheel clearance followed the curve of the wheel instead of being square, they would be completely hidden by the splashers.
Also, if you tapered the splashers slightly so that the outward-facing sides were smaller and the inward-facing sides were the same as they currently are, it might give them more of the illusion of scale while accommodating the oversized flanges. That might be something worth trying, but it would be a matter of finding the right compromise where the sides of the splashers look as good as possible but the taper of the tops isn’t too noticeable.
Ok, that was two suggestions! Anyway, I’m really enjoying your 3D printing adventures.
You're absolutely right Richard - this didn't occur to me until it was too late, but a curved cutout would have been so much better! The good news is it's very hard to spot with the rest of the detail fitted!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looks brilliant Sam love these vids
Thanks so much Robbie! :D
On Shapeways, Newmans Miniatures has Coppernob and a Tender. Shapeways will print this and deliver to your door. I have been quite happy with the prints I've received so far. (NOT a paid endorsement, just a happy customer)
These 3D printing videos are so informative and educational. Really inspiring to watch. Thanks Sam!
Thank you so much - that's amazing to hear :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think Elegant is the word for this project. This one is definitely the best so far. It’s going to be beautiful
I live on the Furness railway line at Arnside! Love that loco and it's history, schrapnel damage and all!
Love your 3D printing Sam, each one is better than the last.
Very good Sam!
Did you see / hear Pete Waterman's message to 3D modellers about using the correct material to avoid creep in 2 to 3 years?
Really impressive work Sam. The design process and such an iconic locomotive too. Best of luck with the "production" version, hope it goes well and looking forward to the video.
Brilliant stuff Sam, can't wait to see the results.
Lovely piece of work Sam. It’ll be interesting to see this next to your first locomotive attempt once it’s all finished. Very much looking forward to the next installment. Well done 👍
Rob
Thanks very much Robin! I'm aiming for an improvement over Gladstone if possible :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Another saga begins! Looking forward to the eventual haulage test.
Thanks David - won't be much of a puller this one!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Very interesting. I don't have any intention of getting into 3D printing, but this design process is quite engaging in itself. And it's quite impressive to see that the prototype ran so well right away. I'm looking forward to seeing the more detailed modelling stages as they become physical. I'm a little surprised that you've designed things with 3D printed hand rails - I would have thought that those parts would be weak done that way (unless made chunky), so I would have expected you to use wire of some sort. But then I don't have any experience with fine 3D printed parts.
Awesome video Sam's trains
That's excellent, I don't have a printer as yet, but I'm tempted to get one to make this little gem. I'm already working on how to use copper tape to get the finish on the "knob".
Thanks Tony - that's a very interesting idea too - love it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Yes, I'd bought it the day before for something else and then up popped your video, great sense of timing.
Excellent design. You are so skilled with the process and I think this one is going to be something special. ✔😊
That is amazing Sam , you make it all look and sound relatively simple . One way to improve the general running and slow speed running would be to use a gear tower to reduce the overall gearing of the loco , the motor would have to be hidden in the boiler and the gear tower in the firebox where you currently have the motor . It really does look superb though and I can not wait to see the completed loco . I would definitely buy one from you if you made them to sell as I live in west Cumbria where the FR operated .
Thanks very much Dave - a gear tower would absolutely have been preferable, but in this case incorporating one into the boiler would've added complexity and reduced the space for weight in the boiler... so I decided to simplify as much as possible. These won't be for sale unfortunately, but I am planning to make the designs available for free!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Fantastic will look amazing when she's finished
it definitely catches the character which is as important, if not more so, then 100% accuracy.
This is really good. I think you have judged well with design compromises and the model is very true to the character of the original engine.
Thanks very much Keith - I'm so glad you think so! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looking forward for your next video on this.
What a fantastic sketchup model, well done I know how much patience you need to create a 3D model like that and then to make it actually work well that is pure genius! This is a very elegant locomotive and I think dates back to about 1845, the Indian Red paint work on the real thing is beautiful the splashers remind me of mud guards on cars in the 1920's. well done
haha thank you so much - I absolutely love the challenge - such fun! You're right about the mud guards too - that's exactly what they look like!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Keep up the good work
I think this model other than the few compromises here and there looks to be fairly accurate and as we've seen with the prototype it should run pretty well so I think you've got a good locomotive going for ya
Lovely video, I love seeing how you're models have improved so far!! Bit of a fun fact, but the large "coppernob" on the rear isn't a dome, but actually part of the firebox! Early locos like that had large "Haystack" style fireboxes to help make more heat
Thank you! And appreciate the info... I've always called that a dome without really thinking about it... duly noted!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great work there Sam. If I had known you wanted / needed some full lenght side shots of Copperknob I could have sent you some, about 20 years ago she was displayed in one of the side galleries and on full view side on so I took a load of piccies of her. But never mind youve done a fine enough job anyway,
Also when it comes to painting, decorating, to get a good copper effect for the firebox have you considered using gold leaf to cover the fire box and then give it a light brown wash over the top to dull it down a bit, then varnish over the lot to seal it in. Its a trick some old modelers used back in the 70's and the results can be very effective. Or I've just noticed you can get copper leaf sheets... which will be a lot less hassle.
Thanks very much Jon - ahh that would've been very handy actually - thanks for the kind offer! Gold leaf would be excellent actually - great idea!
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This looks absolutely amazing Sam, well done mate. Seriously looking forward to seeing the end result 👍👍
Thanks so much Troy, really appreciate it! :D
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Can't wait for Part two..!! 😎
Looking amazing Sam thankyou for the video
Fantastic 1st up effort.
Fantastic work as always, Sam!
Very impressive, Sam! With the inside of the boiler available (at least in principle) due to the location of the motor there might be room for a small DCC decoder and keep-alive module. My experience with a couple of small diesels suggests that DCC can make a huge difference in low speed performance provided you choose a good decoder like those from TCS. In any case, your work is great and you should be very proud. I hope you did OK with the recent heat wave over there as it was a big news item here in the US. Cheers from Wisconsin!
I recently designed a 009 gauge body for Duncan from thomas and friends using tinkercad it went through a lot of redesigns but now it's pretty good.
That's a BEAUT!!!!! Way to go!!!!
You are a marvel, this is excellent, in the near future I feel you will produce more fine scale models, loads of support and respect. Rodge David kidderminster uk 🇬🇧 x
Great work, putting the plastic centric into the Hornby wheels will be a challenge to get them perfect, you may have to build a jig.
a O gauge version of this would look very nice
Well done Sam and a nice runner ,,,better than the big boys !!!!!!!!!! looking forward to seeing the finished model 👍👍
Cracking project Sam. Well, in all fairness, scaling down a model does trick the eyes anyway when it comes to accurate scale. Hence, as long as she looks credibly recognisable as per prototype no one will compare with a ruler at hand, lol. Is there by any chance room left for a capacitor somewhere Sam? Perhaps in the tender, although that would require some wires of course. Excellent work. We can’t wait to see the final result. Cheers.
Marvellous work, Sam.
Is the final one finished yet?
Not that I wish to appear *too* impatient . . .
Awesome to see your skills in 3d printing still are improving Sam, will you ever try printing some modular buildings or try making a action feature set i think you will enjoy the challenge, always great to see what you can achieve.
As the trade does lost wax cast brass handrail knobs and etch brass small components, and even finer model on this brilliant basis could be created. Lovely stuff
That's a fantastic idea - definitely scope for massive improvement if you're willing to use non-3d printed parts!
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Excellent sam, cant wait for the next chapter 😀👍
It's most likely the drawing that based on what the designer meant the loco to be, and the loco was then built differently as was common practice in the days of steam, finding 2 engines that are 100 percent identical is almost impossible as there was always something different, the closer you get to the end of steam the smaller the variation (this is even more prominent on traction engines as they were a lot more slapdash in comparison because they were built for farmers).
Great video Sam. Great project!
This is looking good so far, Sam. Can’t wait to see it when it’s finished.
Looks like it's going to be another beautiful looking 3D printed loco, great work! I don't know much about electroplating, but I'm wondering now, would it be possible to make more details (or possibly even bigger things like the running plate) on a 3D printed loco have more metal work by electroplating them?
Speaking of furness railway ‘old coppernob’, you should try and make a Furness Railway K2 class locomotive and after you‘re finished with it you should put a Edward face on it from Thomas and friends! (Specifically a hornby Edward face)
Impressive. Much enjoyed as ever.
I know there are 3D scanning devices that can take 3D pictures of objects and then you can import then 3D print them. I wonder if there are some larger versions of them that could scan an entire train. A friend of mine works for Autodesk and for practice and testing his skills I gave him an object that broke into a few pieces. He 3D scanned them, then used CAD/Fusion to piece them back together and 3D printed a new part.
Hey Sam! awesome project!! my suggestion for the mechanism, however a bit more complex it may be, why don't you put the coreless motor in the boiler and have a few gears joining it to the driving wheels? I get its more work but with the correct gear ratios you should be able to slow it down and make it a smoother runner with the addition of more gears. The bad cogging was due to that big gear? and to join the small gears to the big gears, id suggest a design similar to the ringfield in terms of the gears itself, having them join back to back instead of the circumferences touching.
Yes that was the only other option, and I did consider it. The reason I decided not to was that this would involve splitting the bottom of the boiler, and the chassis would have to be a very odd shape indeed. This would also lead to some very thin walls on the body, as well as limited space for adding weight. The extra gears would have been awesome for performance... but I thought my method was the best compromise!
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Great work Sam on your prototype, it might be worth looking at what the builders of the locomotive were also making at the time for other similar locos they built. Unless the Furness Railway gave them strict specifications, manufacturers would back then as they do now use parts they've used on other builds to save money.
That's a fantastic idea - there are some fascinating designs in that book I showed!
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@@SamsTrains They also built the Great Southern and Western Railway 2-2-2 No. 36, built in 1847, now at Cork Kent railway station, Cork, Republic of Ireland. The design layout is very similar
Sam,
can you do loco with an outside cylinder instead inside the cylinder in your previous projects all inside cylinder locos, also you do diesel and electric locos like British Rail Class 28, British Rail Class D16/2, British rail class 70 electric, and LNER Class ES1, and pre-group rolling stocks in oo and n gauges?
Good luck Sam and nice video.
It's very impressive Sam.
Considering that you can get wire hand rail kits fairly inexpensively from eBay, might it be worth replacing the 3d printed hand rails with wire? It would help add a gram or two as well.
Sam. I don't know if the cordless motor I have in mind would have enough power but that said here is my idea. Here in the states kato usa is using absolutely tiny coreless motors in their n scale fef3 4-8-4 union pacific locomotives. This motor albeit in n scale is as smooth and powerful as many of my top level locomotives with high quality 5 powers and it can easily be fitted with a small flywheel. Im thinking it should have enough power for your application
Nice job sam it looks amazing
Absolutely amazing, Sam.
Thank you Dave! :D
What will you do with the prototype
Hey there I just would like to say I'm really happy you're making these videos showing your processes of how you're doing stuff it's really cool and I appreciate that it makes for good content I have a request though I really do think you should consider creating a large Classic diesel of some kind you've only done steam engines up to this point and while I am not disappointed I think it's really cool that you're starting small and perfecting one way of doing things I would like to request that you should do some diesels of some kind but if you are trying to stick to locomotives and trying to perfect that process which I can understand and then move on to diesels I'd like you to try and do a larger locomotive perhaps a large American Freight locomotive of some kind I just think it would be interesting and prove to be the next challenging step but this is just my request and thoughts keep it up you're doing cool work can't wait until my life finally stabilizes and I have the time space and money to do this kind of experimentation myself
Wow Sam I'm so impressed by your skills it's a early era 1 locomotive those are my favourite it looks so cool. The motor solution is quite a big coincidence like me when I designed my n Gauge layout without a trackplan and got away with no problems later 😅 but seriously even in prototype stage this locomotive looks one step up again from Gladstone in my opinion due to the very innovative motor design. Can't wait until you finish it :D I have one suggestion though for the coupling maybe you can try the hornby chain coupling like the ones on Rocket and such? I think it would look a bit better than the massive nem coulings. Great work, Sam 👍
Thank you so much! Yes I got very lucky with the motor placement/gearing... I had so few options... just so glad it worked out! Yes a chain coupling would definitely be preferable - and my buffer beam design could probably support one too!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Apropos the National Railway Museum at York, I was very surprised to see when I visited some years ago as to how little consideration was given to actually making their historically significant selection of rolling stock actually viewable. It seemed to me like they were more concerned with creating a fun day out for families, for example by building a faux station platform, which unfortunately hid the running gear of the locomotive I had come to see. Many of the locos were so crammed together that it was impossible to get a clear view of their entire profiles or take a halfway decent photo. I wish that the staff and management would realize their responsibility of prioritizing the the collection first and foremost as historical objects for seriously interested visitors, instead of a kind of railway Disneyland or jam-packed storage facility.
Superb job Sam It looks great! If DCC can be installed that will vastly improve the slow running (assuming that it works with the type of motor you've installed).
Thanks Derek - you're right, it would be interesting to try this on DCC!
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I think this is probably doable. Take the pickup wires from the loco through to the tender, where they join up to the tender pickups, that goes to the decoder, then you have another pair of wires going forward from the decoder to the motor. Might even be able to squeeze a stay alive capacitor in there, but won't know until I start playing around.
This is very interesting. I've started making models from scratch myself (1/43 scale buses, but with old fashioned handcrafted technology), but watching you work I'm considering having a go at CAD and eventually 3D printing. Besides taking detailed photos and using the technical drawing, did you take any measurements of the loco at the NRM?
Have you heard of Sm32 narrow gauge trains?
Great Video Sam lots of work behind the scenes here how long did it take you to do
Awesome video today Sam beautiful modle
Awesome design Sam. Looks so realistic! Your skills with Sketchup has gotten very impressive. This would look great hauling a rake of Accurascale chaldron wagons. Funny enough, it would be a reverse to the usual price difference between loco and wagons wouldn't it! 😆
Thanks very much Pete - I really enjoy using Sketchup, just very confident with it now! The chaldrons are a very good call - I'll definitely try that!
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The only thing that I’m curious about is, with the bearings being metal, couldn’t you theoretically have the pickup wires touch the outside of the front wheel bearings, that way you wouldn’t have to worry about pickup replacement down the road due to no friction on them?
Hey Sam, you should try designing your own Titfield Thunderbolt Train, I bet it would look amazing with your 3D designing skills
What kind of coreless motor did you use? What are the dimensions? Where did you buy it, do you have a link? Thanks.
As someone who does 3D models. A Resin printer would be ideal for getting brilliant quality. And I could lend a hand in the designing, or at least provide pointers for modelling.
For now, great job, Keep improving and you shall go very far
This just in...........Hornby to announce Furness available in shops Monday 25th July 2022 🤣 Looks great so far Sam. I think the next loco should be an O gauge Rocket or even Furness !
I think it has been said before, but you should really look into getting a resin 3d printer. I have one and it can produce very high detail models, without needing to worry about filament size. Fumes aren’t too much of an issue for me, but then again I live in a two story house and stay upstairs while the printer works downstairs.
Sam you are a genius and as a Furness resident, if you produce some of these I'd love to have one, Old Copperknob lived in a glass enclosure here at Barrow Station for many years until a german bommber decided to use it for target practice grrr.
Did you use phosphor-bronze for the pick ups? This is a naturally springy and oily metal which I find works great for pick ups. Pickups in the tender might also help running smoothly.
Yes I've tried phosphor-bronze, but struggled to find it in slim enough pieces. I've had a huge amount of success using extremely thin copper or brass wire - to the tune of 0.3 or even 0.4mm... they need to be kept clean, but they produce almost zero friction, which leads to incredibly smooth running models!
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Should be able to haul 6 - 8 Liverpool & Manchester type 1st class carriages or a few more wagons - up a 1 in 76 gradient!
Definitely - this hauled 6 4-wheeled coaches up my gradient without any issues - might even have done a couple more!
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Hi Sam i think it's supercool when u 3d print locos that aren't in model form or when u print some early locos it's a different feeling seeing u craft ur own
Good job on that model. Your first foray into making your completely own chassis and mechanism. When 3D printers can create surfaces that rival injection molding this realy will be a good way to produce your own models.
You can make the boiler banding by painting 0.25mm styrene strips and wrap them around the boiler. Is how I've done when making boiler banding on custom models.
Hi Sam,
What bearings did you use, I'm struggling to find suitable bearing in my own one, you said they were easy to find, but I've searched for brass 2mm bearings and nothing.
All the best,
Will
Another 3D printing video, i always love these, keep up the good work, also, those ants from a few weeks ago, they are gone
Looks great, modelling is always a comprise between authenticity and practicality. And some great left field thinking re: pickups and motor/gear placement. Looking forward to the rest of the videos about this especially the one where you put a DCC sound decoder in the boiler and speaker in the tender 😉
Beautiful work, I wonder what kind of Fantasy train you would put on a Lima Class 50 chasis?
Great work, it really looks the part, I think you’re under selling the amount of work that has gone into that. One of the great things about 3D printing is if something is not right, you can tweak the design and go again. Finally where did you get the motor and bearings from?
Thanks so much Matt - yes it was a lot of work... but you know what it's like when you enjoy these things, doesn't really feel like work!
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If you are taking requests can you do the SR Z class which is a 0 8 0 tank engine
Something tells me that Sam's next 3D printed model is gonna be another old locomotive from the same era as Coppernob and Gladstone.