The ACOG is one of the best all-around combat optics ever produced. They have been around for 30 years and will still be around in another 30 years. Most of the ACOG haters have never used one - not really. The clarity and field of view are unparalleled. The eye relief is blown out of proportion, in my opinion. You simply cannot compare the image quality, clarity, field of view, and bdc to any 3x/5x magnifier and most lpvo's set at the 4x level. And don't get me started on the durability. Hands down, one of the toughest optics ever made. Are they for everyone? No. But in my opinion, they are excellent for their intended purpose. Paired with a quality offset red dot, you have a fast, reliable, and effective package that is capable out to 600 yards.
One of my favorite channels out there. I personally have the TA01 and totally love it. Yes it has some things that aren't ideal but at the end of the day if I had to take one rifle out the door with me into the "end of times"... It would be my pick for a variety of reasons. Stay safe and keep up the great content.
One day the nostalgia from the ACOG will warrant its purchase with me again. If you havent seen the ACSS Aurora variant and reticle, it bring modernity and more range capabilities to the mix. Awesome video btw
yep, it's probably my favorite optic of all time. And dang, that reticle is exactly what I imaged a redesigned one should be... Might need send mine it for a overhaul.
I disagree. Trijicon has come out with models like the TA50 that weigh less than 6oz. Most variable optic scopes are going to be around a pound, sometimes more, not including the mount. You still get clear optics and a fair compromise between multiple ranges all at a little weight.
The ACOG for the lower powered magnified optics available today is in its own tier IMO. You covered it well as to why it is such a great optic and solution for many different platforms and uses. Agree on the higher powered magnification LPVOs available today (4 years later even more options now) being superior for most cases/uses in terms of functionality and improving your rifle. I'll always have an ACOG on a build, have spent a lot of time behind that optic. The piggyback RMR is a gamechanger and certainly extends the use of that optic for most. Great shit man, gonna be deep diving some more!
Just getting a new Bren 2 in 556 and you made me feel much better going out and buying an LPVO instead of duplicating the ACOG on my SCAR Heavy. Thanks, great video
I used an ACOG on my M4 for 13 months my second Afghanistan deployment. I loved it. Had an aimpoit red dot my first deployment that i didnt like nearly as much. Identifying shit at 300 meters is a game changer
Honestly the limitations of the small obj diameter on LPVOs and the inherent obstacle of increasingly insane zoom ratios (a 1-8x has the same zoom ratio as a 3-24x....) that degrade image resolution unless you dump like Credo 1-8x28 or NF money into the problem, means to me the ACOG will always have a place as the best general purpose optic. No it can't do 1x type CQB that well or go beyond 4x, but neither can LPVOs really.
A Credo 1-8 is going for what a ACOG sells for, As well as a 1-8 VCOG on sale. Would handily be better than a ACOG at CQB, retain the advantages of a ACOG at range, and go out more than 4X. Cool if a TA31 works for you...But the optic with notoriously crap eye relief is not for everyone(especially when the 1-8 credo/vcog have such great eye relief). And the TA31 requires the most training compared to a LPVO or a red dot.
@@tv321123 the credo 1-8x28 goes for $250-300 more as base cost, not including the mount which is another $80-200 It's also nearly a pound heavier when said mount is installed The credo has a place but it's on a DMR imo There are lighter LPVOs like the tango MSR 1-6 that offer a sidegrade to an ACOG in exchange for weight but the huge FOV, light weight, batteryless operation, and light transmission in itself offers a bigger advantage than 2x more zoom.
@@tv321123 I have the trijicon 1-8 and while I love it on my AR10, it’s an absolute pig. Put an offset on the acog and you have a very handy and versatile setup going with not much downsides. Idk about this training issue you talk about. The acog was made to be dummy proof with an intuitive bdc/ranging reticle. The credo has an moa/mil crosshair reticle set up for dialing which requires way more training to effectively use.
@@caseyf2453 I agree about the weight handling. I have both a set up with a 1-8X VCOG, A TA31, and a few TA33s for a reason. At least IMO despite the excellent field of view, and good handling of the TA31, I just can't agree it's the 'best all around' with it's worse than G33 magnifier eye relief. I've handed my TA31 set up to experienced shooters, including a marine that was deployed with a M16 & iron sights; and most of them immediately hate having to shove there face a inch away from the optic. It has a reputation for bruising eyes and hitting glasses for a reason as well as making shooting from difficult positions infinitely harder. And a FFP reticle requires the same little amount of little training the basic acog reticle dose(with the benifit of the entire zoom range)...That is the point of the FFP optic, the hit points are consistent across the magnification range. And why the Army and marines are issuing FFP optics to regular troops(and the SFP to army special forces). At least IMO. The great eye relief is worth the sacrifice of the weight, of the VCOG/CREDO or the field of view TA33, for a 'best general purpose optic'
I bought my first ACOG just about 15 years ago, but it sat in the safe for probably half of that time as I moved through mid and high end LPVOs. A couple weeks back I put it on a 12” SBR and shot out to 500yds and instantly fell back in love with the ACOG. The simplicity, effective BDC (I need to zero at 50 for the SBR, but the rest lines up nicely) I think you are right, there are better “do everything” options… but if you want a light weight rifle that can reach out to 4/5/600 yards than this really shines.
Man with how strong the competition has gotten, im curious how the ACOG fairs in 2023. Seems like for the cost the PA 5x, vortex, and vector paragon micro prisms is worth a shake. Perhaps comparing and contrasting for us would be worth the time
I can tell you from my personal experience (which might not be worth much) I have owned several PA prisms, vortex spitfire gens 1 and 2, and ACOGs. The PA offerings are very competitive for the money. Glass isn't as clear, and they are not nearly as bright as the fi-optic ACOG models, but still very good for the price point. The spitfires have VERY unforgiving eye relief compared even to the acog, they are Chinese made and cost more than the PA models. Also, their adjustments are very coarse (I had one, could have been defective, but a brand new Spitfire G2 5x that was adjusting at like 5moa per click, no joke. All in, the PA is great but if shot side by side the ACOG you know where the money went. They are a great compromise if you are set on going prismatic but don't want to shill out the cash, IMHO.
LPVOs are way over hyped. Sure you gain magnification, but....the weight. They're chunky. And who the hell goes from 1x to 6x enough to matter. The ACOG will be with us for quite a while yet.
I started doing run and gun biathlons this year (2024), and my ACSS Aurora ACOG has been my go-to carbine optic. I absolutely love LPVOs for their feature set and capabilities, but the ACOG is hands-down simpler to use while on the clock during/under stress at least compared to mil-dot/MOA scopes. The fact that I have less task-saturation during a stage where I'm already physically and mentally exhausted from running 8+ miles is a GIANT plus. I believe the eye-relief problem is blown out of proportion, and can be easily mitigated with some dedicated training. I never have to turn the optic on or off, I never have to worry about dialing elevation for a target or returning that dial to zero, it's a lightning fast transition to the top-mounted secondary, and the unit is durable as hell. Insert comment on "get-gud" topics that we've all heard before - at the end of the day, the best optic is always going to be the one you train with.
I am ordering the M4 ACOG RCO M150 from optics planet. I know the bullet drop reticle is calibrated for 62 grain bullets from the 14.5" barrel, but if I shoot slower 77 grain bullets how badly do you think that will affect say the 300 400 and 500 stadia accuracy? So small I won't be able to notice or significant? I have read in various blogs that I could just do a 100 yard zero with the point of impact about 1.2" high and that should help a lot.
the ta31 with the primary arms acss reticle is probably one of the best combat optics of all time. don't think itll be beat anytime soon. for me, i probably won't buy one because with my arm length and how i have my length of pull, the eye relief of the acog would require i scrunch my neck down to get proper eye relief and that's just not comfortable for me, nor feasible for extended shooting periods without neck strain and pain.
I respect the review, I think its a different world adding a piggyback or offset red dot. I think that eliminates the close range issues, allowing the acogh to shine from 50-500. Yea at distance its starts to slack but out to 500 its fast compared to messing with a lpvo but its not as pwoerful. Thoughts on piggyback?
If I were to spend around the $1k mark - it's tough to choose between the acog and an LPVO such as the Eotech Vudu. My main draw back of the acog is the eye relief (this is what I hear). Apparently you need to get your eye extremely close.
If you're able, get out with your range buddies that own the optics you're looking at buying and give them a go before dropping hard-earned money. If neither the ACOG or the Vudu immediately jump out at you as the one to get, then wait, get more time behind them, and possibly consider other optics. There's nothing worse than spending 4-digit money based on YT reviews (good or bad) only to regret it after you test your buddy's optic and like it more. Try to get as much time behind different optics as you before spending coin.
Good informative video. I have a ta31 ecos with the green crosshairs and I love it. The clarity of the ACOG is awesome. I have mine sighted in for the m855 rounds as well. I figure in a shtf scenario this is the best scope to have because it doesn’t need batteries with the tritium illuminating it. Only need batteries for the rmr. These are battle tested scopes that stand the test of time. Mine has the Bible scripture on it as well which is a plus for me. I wish I had this issued to me when I was in the army (infantry 10th mountain), we didn’t have this when I was in back in the 90’s. Only open sights on our m16’s other than pac 4’s at night w/pvs 7 bravos. Again good video
Drop the ACOG n a kram mount to bring the optic back into natural eye relief distance and a red dot on top, and you have the best setup out there for a fighting rifle IMO.
If you can match up your specific load data to a reticle, the ACOG is still king for an AR shooting ball ammo. I have a standard TA31F, I’m shooting PMC M193 from a 14.5” barrel @ about 2990fps. If I zero and do my drops in YARDS(the ACOG reticle is measured in meters), it lines up almost perfectly.
dude you have an awesome channel and this video inparticular is goated. i love your environment. what a blessing to be able to shoot in such peace. im from Tn and hope to be able to find areas like this one day. and i have a couple extra acogs if you would be willing to invite lol also i have a drone for cool shots
I think it's still a very viable option, definitely my perfered do everything well and nothing great optic. There is not flipping from low to high magnification, it doesn't take batteries, and it's virtually indestructible, though I have seen one get shot off an M16A4. Maybe it's my comfort and proficiency with the ACOG but hands down the best choice for a fighting rifle that you can pick up and go with.
I would like to see the actual facts but I would think the ACOG has put more tango's in the the dirt than any other optic in the last 20yrs or so. I love mine and used with a Kram spacer I prefer it over any of my LVPOs do to you weight, clarity, durability and simplicity. No battery's, no levers or knobs and easy to use reticle. it just works. This is just my simple opinion and as always YMMV.
For anyone on the fence about an ACOG or LPVO. LPVO has some glaring drawbacks. Weight and durability of the ACOG are unmatched. Also the 1x even on the expensive LPVO's suck so much that people have been using offset RMR and leaving their LPVO fixed at x3 or x4 rendering the LPVO main selling point moot. LPVO illumination requires batteries and their POI shift at their max magnification is an issue. ACOG is all you need for mid range dominance. The ACOG keeps it simple stupid. Also practice with the bindon technique and you got yourself a solution for short range acquisition. The only downfall really is eye relief.
Just found your channel, i love the format! You sound like Alex from TFBtv. Now, can you comment on the daniel defense rifle? Would you buy another or build a rifle next time?
Thansk! If you can afford it. buying is always nice and offer a lot of piece of mind, especially if you don't shoot a lot in a short time to vet your 'build'. Even if you set it up perfectly. (My 13.7 BA barrel turned out to have a undersized gas port).
If Trijicon made an ACOG with a terrible for supersonic .300 blackout or shorter (11.5-12.5) 5.56 rifles, they'd be more useful IMO. Once you get to 14.5 and up, you might as well throw a 1-6 LPVO on there or even an MPVO
I know you didn’t ask me…but I’ve found the USMC specific A4 model (featured in this video) the best for 77 grain. The BDC is pretty spot on out of my 18” gun with 77 grain. The BDC is a little “low” on my 11.5” guns but that was just an experiment. I run red dots on those. “Mission dictates gear blah blah “
@@MrJedi5150 true, I think if the Marine corps had gone the TA11 route, they wouldn’t have so much scope bite. “Snapping in” let the guard down of many a marine lol.
An LPVO at maximum magnification isn't as good as an ACOG (less FOV, typically less glass, can't have a reticle with good bullet drop compensation like a fixed power scope) and isn't as good as a red dot at its lowest magnification (a lot of guys who run LPVOs in competitions run with an offset red dot and just leave the scope on its maximum magnification). An ACOG + red dot is better than an LPVO in pretty much every way but price.
@@aksel487 How so? LPVO's are nowhere near as robust and weigh far more. There's no perfect optic but an ACOG covers a lot of ground and does it quite well.
MAC said in one of his recent videos, something about that he had never come across an Acog that would hold zero. And to remedy it, one would have to bash the turrets with a 2x4, to make reticle settle, or something. Anyone here had that experience?
It sounds like MAC doesn't understand parallax. And that ACOG's typically actually have really brutal parallax. And if you're not working really hard to have consistent head position, you'll have monstrous/moving groups Or he's just repeating the military adage about how most turrets don't typically track, so smacking it insured that the turrets weren't binded up, which I've heard as well
@@BrassFacts Yes, that makes sense. I own a TA01 and a TA31, had them for 6-7 years. I like them a lot, but wish they had more ER. Greetings from Norway btw. Your channel is excellent!
See this complaint a lot about ACOG’s not holding zero or getting a random flier in your group. As per the army’s technical manual for the RCO/ACOG there’s a work package that outlines “tapping the turrets” to ensure internal prism moves when adjusted. Also outlines if you over adjust the turrets where the prism starts to bind it will damage the internal mechanism. Every time I ever made adjustments I’d ensure I tapped the turrets and never had issues once. It’s a mixture of operator error and misinformation that gets spread around due to lack of knowledge on the equipment.
Never had to smack the turrets on my ACOG....so can't speak on that. What I will say is that I set my current zero about 5 months ago, and the carbine it's mounted on has been through 4 run and gun biathlons, numerous biathlon training sessions, and countless trips to the range all while being tossed around in a soft nylon rifle case. I took it out today on a training session, and the zero is still there tagging IPSCs at 400yds and beyond.
I absolutely can NOT watch a Lefty Shoot. KUDOS for you overcoming your handicap. Great scenery in your video. I CRINGE whenever I see a Lefty shoot. It is impressive that you can overcome your handicap.
Without knowing any of them, I can in fact tell you exactly which trijicon scope is which, but only through photo analysis and not because it makes any sense.
@@BrassFacts People put electrical tape on them due to the bloom I figured im getting rid of an option that seldom works, maybe on a cloudy day. Your thoughts sir?
The rugged durability of the acog is legendary. The LPVO is not even close. So for the shooter on a budget and cannot afford these prices for multiple optics I would say the ACOG TA31F is probably the best choice for me!
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The ACOG is one of the best all-around combat optics ever produced. They have been around for 30 years and will still be around in another 30 years. Most of the ACOG haters have never used one - not really. The clarity and field of view are unparalleled. The eye relief is blown out of proportion, in my opinion. You simply cannot compare the image quality, clarity, field of view, and bdc to any 3x/5x magnifier and most lpvo's set at the 4x level. And don't get me started on the durability. Hands down, one of the toughest optics ever made. Are they for everyone? No. But in my opinion, they are excellent for their intended purpose. Paired with a quality offset red dot, you have a fast, reliable, and effective package that is capable out to 600 yards.
Keep making videos man I think you’ll be surprised how big your channel gets. Going to take time, keep going brother!
Looking at this with over 120k followers.
One of my favorite channels out there. I personally have the TA01 and totally love it. Yes it has some things that aren't ideal but at the end of the day if I had to take one rifle out the door with me into the "end of times"... It would be my pick for a variety of reasons. Stay safe and keep up the great content.
One day the nostalgia from the ACOG will warrant its purchase with me again. If you havent seen the ACSS Aurora variant and reticle, it bring modernity and more range capabilities to the mix. Awesome video btw
yep, it's probably my favorite optic of all time. And dang, that reticle is exactly what I imaged a redesigned one should be... Might need send mine it for a overhaul.
@@BrassFacts Think it's worth picking an ACOG for a PTR91 18" bull barrel? Tried a Burris RT6 which was very nice but I was not really much of a fan.
@@hellcatdave1 could work if you like the acog. Only issue is head placement. You'd need a riser to comfortably hit the eyebox.
@@BrassFacts Worked perfectly. Sits pretty and doesn't have any issues with the eye relief!
I wouldn't change out my ACOG for anything!
I disagree. Trijicon has come out with models like the TA50 that weigh less than 6oz. Most variable optic scopes are going to be around a pound, sometimes more, not including the mount. You still get clear optics and a fair compromise between multiple ranges all at a little weight.
The ACOG for the lower powered magnified optics available today is in its own tier IMO. You covered it well as to why it is such a great optic and solution for many different platforms and uses. Agree on the higher powered magnification LPVOs available today (4 years later even more options now) being superior for most cases/uses in terms of functionality and improving your rifle. I'll always have an ACOG on a build, have spent a lot of time behind that optic. The piggyback RMR is a gamechanger and certainly extends the use of that optic for most. Great shit man, gonna be deep diving some more!
No mention on durability of LVPOs compared to Acogs. Let's not dismiss the optic that dominated Iraq and Afghanistan
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Just getting a new Bren 2 in 556 and you made me feel much better going out and buying an LPVO instead of duplicating the ACOG on my SCAR Heavy. Thanks, great video
I used an ACOG on my M4 for 13 months my second Afghanistan deployment. I loved it. Had an aimpoit red dot my first deployment that i didnt like nearly as much. Identifying shit at 300 meters is a game changer
Honestly the limitations of the small obj diameter on LPVOs and the inherent obstacle of increasingly insane zoom ratios (a 1-8x has the same zoom ratio as a 3-24x....) that degrade image resolution unless you dump like Credo 1-8x28 or NF money into the problem, means to me the ACOG will always have a place as the best general purpose optic.
No it can't do 1x type CQB that well or go beyond 4x, but neither can LPVOs really.
Let's not forget the acog is generally half the weight of an lpvo and has fewer moving parts. Fewer parts, fewer things to break.
A Credo 1-8 is going for what a ACOG sells for, As well as a 1-8 VCOG on sale. Would handily be better than a ACOG at CQB, retain the advantages of a ACOG at range, and go out more than 4X. Cool if a TA31 works for you...But the optic with notoriously crap eye relief is not for everyone(especially when the 1-8 credo/vcog have such great eye relief). And the TA31 requires the most training compared to a LPVO or a red dot.
@@tv321123 the credo 1-8x28 goes for $250-300 more as base cost, not including the mount which is another $80-200
It's also nearly a pound heavier when said mount is installed
The credo has a place but it's on a DMR imo
There are lighter LPVOs like the tango MSR 1-6 that offer a sidegrade to an ACOG in exchange for weight but the huge FOV, light weight, batteryless operation, and light transmission in itself offers a bigger advantage than 2x more zoom.
@@tv321123 I have the trijicon 1-8 and while I love it on my AR10, it’s an absolute pig. Put an offset on the acog and you have a very handy and versatile setup going with not much downsides. Idk about this training issue you talk about. The acog was made to be dummy proof with an intuitive bdc/ranging reticle. The credo has an moa/mil crosshair reticle set up for dialing which requires way more training to effectively use.
@@caseyf2453 I agree about the weight handling. I have both a set up with a 1-8X VCOG, A TA31, and a few TA33s for a reason. At least IMO despite the excellent field of view, and good handling of the TA31, I just can't agree it's the 'best all around' with it's worse than G33 magnifier eye relief. I've handed my TA31 set up to experienced shooters, including a marine that was deployed with a M16 & iron sights; and most of them immediately hate having to shove there face a inch away from the optic. It has a reputation for bruising eyes and hitting glasses for a reason as well as making shooting from difficult positions infinitely harder. And a FFP reticle requires the same little amount of little training the basic acog reticle dose(with the benifit of the entire zoom range)...That is the point of the FFP optic, the hit points are consistent across the magnification range. And why the Army and marines are issuing FFP optics to regular troops(and the SFP to army special forces).
At least IMO. The great eye relief is worth the sacrifice of the weight, of the VCOG/CREDO or the field of view TA33, for a 'best general purpose optic'
I bought my first ACOG just about 15 years ago, but it sat in the safe for probably half of that time as I moved through mid and high end LPVOs.
A couple weeks back I put it on a 12” SBR and shot out to 500yds and instantly fell back in love with the ACOG. The simplicity, effective BDC (I need to zero at 50 for the SBR, but the rest lines up nicely)
I think you are right, there are better “do everything” options… but if you want a light weight rifle that can reach out to 4/5/600 yards than this really shines.
Awesome video! Thank you for doing it! I love my ACOG over my Aimpoins/EOTechs and LPVOs but that’s me.
I went with the 4X, green cross hair and red dot on top. Happy, Happy, Happy.
Man with how strong the competition has gotten, im curious how the ACOG fairs in 2023. Seems like for the cost the PA 5x, vortex, and vector paragon micro prisms is worth a shake. Perhaps comparing and contrasting for us would be worth the time
I can tell you from my personal experience (which might not be worth much) I have owned several PA prisms, vortex spitfire gens 1 and 2, and ACOGs.
The PA offerings are very competitive for the money. Glass isn't as clear, and they are not nearly as bright as the fi-optic ACOG models, but still very good for the price point.
The spitfires have VERY unforgiving eye relief compared even to the acog, they are Chinese made and cost more than the PA models. Also, their adjustments are very coarse (I had one, could have been defective, but a brand new Spitfire G2 5x that was adjusting at like 5moa per click, no joke.
All in, the PA is great but if shot side by side the ACOG you know where the money went. They are a great compromise if you are set on going prismatic but don't want to shill out the cash, IMHO.
LPVOs are way over hyped. Sure you gain magnification, but....the weight. They're chunky.
And who the hell goes from 1x to 6x enough to matter.
The ACOG will be with us for quite a while yet.
I started doing run and gun biathlons this year (2024), and my ACSS Aurora ACOG has been my go-to carbine optic. I absolutely love LPVOs for their feature set and capabilities, but the ACOG is hands-down simpler to use while on the clock during/under stress at least compared to mil-dot/MOA scopes. The fact that I have less task-saturation during a stage where I'm already physically and mentally exhausted from running 8+ miles is a GIANT plus.
I believe the eye-relief problem is blown out of proportion, and can be easily mitigated with some dedicated training. I never have to turn the optic on or off, I never have to worry about dialing elevation for a target or returning that dial to zero, it's a lightning fast transition to the top-mounted secondary, and the unit is durable as hell.
Insert comment on "get-gud" topics that we've all heard before - at the end of the day, the best optic is always going to be the one you train with.
I am ordering the M4 ACOG RCO M150 from optics planet. I know the bullet drop reticle is calibrated for 62 grain bullets from the 14.5" barrel, but if I shoot slower 77 grain bullets how badly do you think that will affect say the 300 400 and 500 stadia accuracy? So small I won't be able to notice or significant? I have read in various blogs that I could just do a 100 yard zero with the point of impact about 1.2" high and that should help a lot.
Could be. Be sure to try a ballistic calculator.
the ta31 with the primary arms acss reticle is probably one of the best combat optics of all time. don't think itll be beat anytime soon. for me, i probably won't buy one because with my arm length and how i have my length of pull, the eye relief of the acog would require i scrunch my neck down to get proper eye relief and that's just not comfortable for me, nor feasible for extended shooting periods without neck strain and pain.
Lets be honest, who uses their LPVO on any power besides 4x?
I respect the review, I think its a different world adding a piggyback or offset red dot. I think that eliminates the close range issues, allowing the acogh to shine from 50-500. Yea at distance its starts to slack but out to 500 its fast compared to messing with a lpvo but its not as pwoerful. Thoughts on piggyback?
I have a modern video on it.
ACOG + rmr.
In short. It's better, but it doesn't quite solve all the issues
Thank you for explaining what it is and is not good for instead of just saying “good” or “bad”.
Do you have any social media? You could start an insta or something I think your production value and content are good enough to warrant it.
God damn this is a solid channel
If I were to spend around the $1k mark - it's tough to choose between the acog and an LPVO such as the Eotech Vudu. My main draw back of the acog is the eye relief (this is what I hear). Apparently you need to get your eye extremely close.
correct it's about 1.5" of eye relief
If you're able, get out with your range buddies that own the optics you're looking at buying and give them a go before dropping hard-earned money. If neither the ACOG or the Vudu immediately jump out at you as the one to get, then wait, get more time behind them, and possibly consider other optics. There's nothing worse than spending 4-digit money based on YT reviews (good or bad) only to regret it after you test your buddy's optic and like it more.
Try to get as much time behind different optics as you before spending coin.
I was looking at getting a shot timer, hows that blue one? Is it much different than the one lucas from trex arms uses? I see both on amazon.
Good informative video. I have a ta31 ecos with the green crosshairs and I love it. The clarity of the ACOG is awesome. I have mine sighted in for the m855 rounds as well. I figure in a shtf scenario this is the best scope to have because it doesn’t need batteries with the tritium illuminating it. Only need batteries for the rmr. These are battle tested scopes that stand the test of time. Mine has the Bible scripture on it as well which is a plus for me. I wish I had this issued to me when I was in the army (infantry 10th mountain), we didn’t have this when I was in back in the 90’s. Only open sights on our m16’s other than pac 4’s at night w/pvs 7 bravos. Again good video
Drop the ACOG n a kram mount to bring the optic back into natural eye relief distance and a red dot on top, and you have the best setup out there for a fighting rifle IMO.
Great honest review.
If you can match up your specific load data to a reticle, the ACOG is still king for an AR shooting ball ammo.
I have a standard TA31F, I’m shooting PMC M193 from a 14.5” barrel @ about 2990fps. If I zero and do my drops in YARDS(the ACOG reticle is measured in meters), it lines up almost perfectly.
dude you have an awesome channel and this video inparticular is goated. i love your environment. what a blessing to be able to shoot in such peace. im from Tn and hope to be able to find areas like this one day. and i have a couple extra acogs if you would be willing to invite lol also i have a drone for cool shots
I think it's still a very viable option, definitely my perfered do everything well and nothing great optic. There is not flipping from low to high magnification, it doesn't take batteries, and it's virtually indestructible, though I have seen one get shot off an M16A4. Maybe it's my comfort and proficiency with the ACOG but hands down the best choice for a fighting rifle that you can pick up and go with.
I would like to see the actual facts but I would think the ACOG has put more tango's in the the dirt than any other optic in the last 20yrs or so. I love mine and used with a Kram spacer I prefer it over any of my LVPOs do to you weight, clarity, durability and simplicity. No battery's, no levers or knobs and easy to use reticle. it just works. This is just my simple opinion and as always YMMV.
For anyone on the fence about an ACOG or LPVO. LPVO has some glaring drawbacks. Weight and durability of the ACOG are unmatched. Also the 1x even on the expensive LPVO's suck so much that people have been using offset RMR and leaving their LPVO fixed at x3 or x4 rendering the LPVO main selling point moot. LPVO illumination requires batteries and their POI shift at their max magnification is an issue. ACOG is all you need for mid range dominance. The ACOG keeps it simple stupid. Also practice with the bindon technique and you got yourself a solution for short range acquisition. The only downfall really is eye relief.
Which backpack are you running in this video? I like how it looks
Is acog good for home defense? I like the fact that I never have to worry bout batteries other than sending it in after a decade for repair.
there are 1.5x models.
Personally most red dots that a worth a shit have a battery life measured in years. I would just get those.
@@BrassFacts thank you
Just found your channel, i love the format! You sound like Alex from TFBtv. Now, can you comment on the daniel defense rifle? Would you buy another or build a rifle next time?
Thansk!
If you can afford it. buying is always nice and offer a lot of piece of mind, especially if you don't shoot a lot in a short time to vet your 'build'. Even if you set it up perfectly. (My 13.7 BA barrel turned out to have a undersized gas port).
where'd you grab that backpack from?
what's the (rucksack) you were wearing in this video????
grey ghost something or another. I've had it for a long time. "Gipsy" rings a bell
If Trijicon made an ACOG with a terrible for supersonic .300 blackout or shorter (11.5-12.5) 5.56 rifles, they'd be more useful IMO. Once you get to 14.5 and up, you might as well throw a 1-6 LPVO on there or even an MPVO
I shoot alot of 77 grain ammo. What's the best acog for that.?
I know you didn’t ask me…but I’ve found the USMC specific A4 model (featured in this video) the best for 77 grain. The BDC is pretty spot on out of my 18” gun with 77 grain. The BDC is a little “low” on my 11.5” guns but that was just an experiment. I run red dots on those. “Mission dictates gear blah blah “
Tape one of those little marking glow sticks to the fiber optic part if your tritium runs out. Or there’s a clamp on illumination system you can get
Very good video 👍
Thoughts on the TA11?
I second this question.
@@jeremysumrak1842 own both. I much prefer the TA-11
@@MrJedi5150 true, I think if the Marine corps had gone the TA11 route, they wouldn’t have so much scope bite. “Snapping in” let the guard down of many a marine lol.
the minecraft music really adds to the last man on earth feeling
I am wearing the same pants you were during this video
An LPVO at maximum magnification isn't as good as an ACOG (less FOV, typically less glass, can't have a reticle with good bullet drop compensation like a fixed power scope) and isn't as good as a red dot at its lowest magnification (a lot of guys who run LPVOs in competitions run with an offset red dot and just leave the scope on its maximum magnification). An ACOG + red dot is better than an LPVO in pretty much every way but price.
Except you only have 4x
300m up any LPVO eats the ACOG
@@aksel487 How so? LPVO's are nowhere near as robust and weigh far more. There's no perfect optic but an ACOG covers a lot of ground and does it quite well.
The Acog is perfect for infantry life.
MAC said in one of his recent videos, something about that he had never come across an Acog that would hold zero. And to remedy it, one would have to bash the turrets with a 2x4, to make reticle settle, or something. Anyone here had that experience?
It sounds like MAC doesn't understand parallax. And that ACOG's typically actually have really brutal parallax. And if you're not working really hard to have consistent head position, you'll have monstrous/moving groups
Or he's just repeating the military adage about how most turrets don't typically track, so smacking it insured that the turrets weren't binded up, which I've heard as well
@@BrassFacts Yes, that makes sense. I own a TA01 and a TA31, had them for 6-7 years. I like them a lot, but wish they had more ER. Greetings from Norway btw. Your channel is excellent!
See this complaint a lot about ACOG’s not holding zero or getting a random flier in your group. As per the army’s technical manual for the RCO/ACOG there’s a work package that outlines “tapping the turrets” to ensure internal prism moves when adjusted. Also outlines if you over adjust the turrets where the prism starts to bind it will damage the internal mechanism. Every time I ever made adjustments I’d ensure I tapped the turrets and never had issues once. It’s a mixture of operator error and misinformation that gets spread around due to lack of knowledge on the equipment.
All the Marines i came through with were taught to make adjustments to the zero and smash the optic with their palm a few times to make sure it sticks
Never had to smack the turrets on my ACOG....so can't speak on that. What I will say is that I set my current zero about 5 months ago, and the carbine it's mounted on has been through 4 run and gun biathlons, numerous biathlon training sessions, and countless trips to the range all while being tossed around in a soft nylon rifle case. I took it out today on a training session, and the zero is still there tagging IPSCs at 400yds and beyond.
You should let me mix your tabletop vocals
Anyone got sauce on the intro song?
Delta 34 would like to know your location
LPVO people still run an Offset dot, so what’s the appeal? It’s wildly heavier and less durable than The ACOG.
Does a bear shit in the woods?!
I absolutely can NOT watch a Lefty Shoot. KUDOS for you overcoming your handicap. Great scenery in your video. I CRINGE whenever I see a Lefty shoot. It is impressive that you can overcome your handicap.
As an ambi, I'm gonna start shooting left handed more often just for the off chance that we may cross paths on the range one day ❤
Just got a brand new one for 800
You did not consider TA11 with MUCH greater eye relief.
I did though. It's in the video. But it comes with tradeoffs. I also don't really thing the eye relief is a downside as it comes with upsides.
@@BrassFacts My apologies. You did indeed mention it. Shame on my for staying up too late and not paying attention.
@@oldrocker1970 Considering most of my gun-YT viewing is drunk at 1am. No worries. I do the same.
Without knowing any of them, I can in fact tell you exactly which trijicon scope is which, but only through photo analysis and not because it makes any sense.
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Luv me acog
Luv me rmr
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Does anyone hear have experience with TA01NSN? Without the fiber optics is it still a viable option nowadays?
optics planet has some.
Why do you want to loose the fiberoptic though? Seems to be one of the stand out features?
@@BrassFacts People put electrical tape on them due to the bloom I figured im getting rid of an option that seldom works, maybe on a cloudy day. Your thoughts sir?
@@xrmatt1010 the tape only partially dims it. It's still quite bright.
The rugged durability of the acog is legendary. The LPVO is not even close. So for the shooter on a budget and cannot afford these prices for multiple optics I would say the ACOG TA31F is probably the best choice for me!