The Pittsburgh Penguins Are Broken.
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- Опубліковано 3 бер 2024
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Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin & The Pittsburgh Penguins are in one right now. We discuss how the oldest team in the NHL has fell well short of expectations & what may need to come next.
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Hey we won our Cups and dominated hockey for awhile. It all comes to a end at some point.
Yeah, that's my take.
It's painful watching them now --- especially the litany of late blown leads.
But, hey, we've been luckier than most hockey fans may ever be in their lifetime: 3 rings in a 10-year period.
I keep saying this. Sid, Malkin, and Letang won us three cups. Sid is still playing at a high level, and he wants Malkin and Letang around. If they want to be around and finish their careers as Pens and not have to worry about all the outside stuff that comes with going to a new franchise like moving your family and stuff, they've earned it. That run of back to back cups was the best time of my sports fan life, and I'm all for letting these guys dictate their own terms to finish things up. If they want to leave, they can request a trade. If they want to stay, let's watch em ride off into the sunset. They'll all be in the HoF and in the rafters with Lemieux, Jagr, and Briere one day.
yeah. tampas got like 2-3 more years before they go down the same path as pittsburgh does
Amen to that. Had to accept that reality as a 21 year old Wings fan in 2016 that I was lucky to watch my team in the playoffs for my entire life and 4 cup wins (only 2 I actually remember lol) Rebuilds have to come some time.
Hey no doubt! As a Canucks fan we just have the “end” part!😂
3 cups in 17 years is alot to be proud of! Some teams dream of winning one.
The Pens haven't won a series since 2017! They're old and they don't have many prospects. They need to begin a complete rebuild!
Pittsburgh is in a really tough spot. Either sell your core to properly fund the upcoming rebuild, or enjoy the time you've got with the guys and then fall into a Detroit-esque rebuild.
With the Erik Karlsson trade, they’re already committed to going the way of Detroit. Selling isn’t an option with their first round pick gone, and even if it’s within the protected range this year, it becomes unprotected in next year’s draft.
Resigning LeTang and Geno did that. It looked to me like mercy contracts for their loyalty to the team. Geno hasn't done jack for three years. LeTang regularly gets his doors blown off by younger, faster forwards.
This just means the road back will likely be much longer than D Towns rebuild.
@@darksaga80 Spot on. The only reason I can think of why they resigned Malkin is loyalty and past glory, neither of which brings wins to the column. He has zero trade value and not much more on the ice either. The team's offense is slow, defense is hideous and goaltending is average at best.
The only way they could speed up their rebuild is sell the one player they have that other teams would pile up on - Crosby.
Absolutely. Hawks fan here and they did the exact same thing after the 2015 Cup. Reward players past their prime with contracts which they didn't deserve.@@darksaga80
They are going to just be bad until Crosby retires. If they offloaded the contracts of Malkin and Crosby, they would be able to not only get great return in the sale of those guys, but also get loads of cap space to play with. Instead, they'll just fail because everyone that isn't a Pens fan know that they only sell tickets when they have superstars. They've almost lost their franchise multiple times and every time they were on the verge.... well how about that.... they get all the top players the NHL can get them. Then they sell tickets...... until those players are gone....... then they almost lose their franchise.... rinse and repeat.
Dubas made a bet that he could squeeze out the last bit of Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Karlsson to make one last run. He's gonna lose. It was high-risk from the start.
B-hawks fan here, SB tried this a few years ago(keeping the vetss for waaayyyy too long) and it didn't end well. It is a young mans game.
It was a loser bet from the start. I was hoping he was coming in to trade all the old players, instead he doubled down and signed a bunch of old players.
@@thebigpicture2032I don’t think the owner is willing to rebuild as long as Crosby is still 1C worthy
My bet would be Pittsburgh made him try to do this as a condition for the job. If acquiring Karlsson could not make the team win, then he has to have full permission to start gutting the team.
@@clandon9624correct. This is why they are not yet thinking in a true rebuild manner.
Dont feel sorry for Pens and Crosby. They've achieved incredible things throughout the years many franchises only could have dreamed of.
Especially Crosby. He is, was, and always will be a superstar. Soon, we will see McDavid getting old as well and new young guys taking his place. That's just unstoppable marching of time.
Yes but they are pro athletes. No matter how many they win, the elite of the elite, mindsets only men like Sid have, he will always want another one. And watching him show the world just how good he still is, knowing how much he’s given the league, you can’t help but think the NHL is better when the Pens are winning and on TV in April, May, and June. Yes we knew Dubas was walking them into a trap, but as a hockey fan it still sucks to watch
I have more respect for Crosby. As he's actually lifted the cup before. Conner will never know that feeling if he stays on the Oilers.
cringe @@iambiglucas
True. And they did it all for the most fairweather fanbase in sports. A fact that will play out once again.
@@nonokayakjackum no, sorry but many Pens fans stick through the harder times, as well as the amazing times. I know I have had faith in them through most of this season, even when they haven't looked very good.
The price of 3 cups. We all knew this was coming, and Pens fans are probably pretty happy with how the past 19 years have gone
Yes I am content but now you best believe I criticize this rebuild haha
More worried for the future now that mario is no longer an owner
@@TechTokOffical What? When did Mario cease to be an owner?
@@gordonhuskin7337 Mario is no longer majority owner, he still has partial ownership yes but the majority owner is Fenway Sports Group, which, is a company that does have winning in their interest since it sells jerseys and tickets etc
@TechTokOffical: Exactly. 2nd year with new owners and 2nd year we miss playoffs.
Success comes at a price. It happened to Detroit and Chicago and the same will probably happen to pens. The cycle of life is so beautiful.
'The Pittsburgh Penguins Are Old' would be a more accurate title IMO
Old doesn’t always mean bad!
Because 36 yo Crosby doesn't carry the team?
With that logic, the Sabres should be dominating the league
Crosby is plus 13 with 63 points letang is plus 11 with 37 points it clearly has nothing to do with the old guys lol
@@rogerpowers3891 ooooOOOO!!!! 🙂🙂 🙂 🙂!
Just wanna say that this analysis is better than anything shown on TV. It's just really damn good and I love your videos so much. Go Canucks 🙏
i’m a penguins fan, but this just goes to show that no matter how good you are, you have to have a good team. not just good players. also the fact that they’re the oldest team in the show
Oldest? Is that not the Capitals? And they're not that bad.
exactly.
@@philippebergeron5821Pens were founded in 1967, Caps weren’t founded until 74.
So we can agree that when we discuss championships, the Crosby/Ovechkin debate is closer than it appears? It WAS a team game all along... huh
@@jebfullinwider4379 nah Sid still better than Ovi
My only hope at this point is for Crosby to get as many points as he can by seasons end. His effort needs to be rewarded somehow dude.
Crosby a team player
@@earthquakkejake9894 True, but there ain't much team there.
If he plays until 40, there is a possibility of becoming 2nd on the all time scoring list.
As a Pens fan I feel extremely fortunate to grow up watching the Lemieux and Jagr eras and now the Sid era.
We’ve been lucky to have such franchise superstars. What a journey it’s been since the 80’s.
As a Pens, it probably would be much less frustrating if Sid and the main core were gone. But Sid is having a great season and it’s going to be down the drain as soon as possible with how the rest of the team is playing. Hextall gave Dubas an absolute tire fire and one big trade won’t fix it. Sullivan can’t be a good coach with a team this slow and giving the same stale quotes after every loss. And the biggest pouring of salt to the wound is that it’s gonna be a while until they can draft a good prospect pool, Rutherford and Hextall traded too much draft picks to “win now”. At least Dubas was smart enough to top 10 protect the pick sent to SJ for Karlsson.
Dubas and smart don’t belong in the same sentence.
@@WW3_Soonwe’re well aware of the moves Dubas has tried in Toronto, Hextall was just so bad that Dubas was considered an upgrade. The extensions to Carter, Geno, and Letang are just scratching the surface.
Everyone complains so much about Sullivan. It reminds me of Carey Price. All the fans would dog Price and call him overrated, and every year the players would vote him best goalie in the NHL. By a wide margin. Now, Pens fans all want Sullivan gone, and I get that coaches are usually first ones to pay when things aren't going well, but anyone around hockey talks about how smart Sullivan is. The lineup definitely doesn't fit his style. I guess that could set him up for a firing. But it's doubtful that anyone could win with this lineup. But then again, things didn't look good when Sullivan got the job, either.
I don't know if there's a better guy for the Pens stars than Sullivan. Clearly he's still got the touch with Sid. But maybe it's time.
Hextall... what a mistake going for a lifetime Flyer. Glad Cutter Gauthier gave it back to them haha.
@@chrisg7731 yeah, that’s why I mentioned the slow team. His strategies tend to be speed oriented, it’s how the back to back cups happened. But the current team is old and slow. He could coach a team like Colorado and torch the league probably.
@@quix9556 Right, and you know Sullivan will be unemployed for 5 mins before going to a much better fit for him. He's a great coach. He's not going to quit the Pens. I know change needs to happen sometimes, but it would really be tough to stomach to see him go elsewhere and, as you said, torch the league. That's what the fans who want Sullivan gone want to see? It just feels like lose-lose.
It's never been more over for them. Also, let's be real. They should've started rebuilding after blowing that series against the Rangers in 2022.
Actually it should have started after that Montreal 'playoff' debacle.
To be fair, they should've won that Rangers series. That Trouba hit to Sid's head changed the whole series. I fucking hate that team. They were the way better team until Sid got hurt, and then the Rangers pounced, to their credit. Series could've easily ended in 5, and the Rangers went to the conference finals that year, right? They were no joke. Pens deserved that series.
I still believe that that Ian Cole for Derrick Brassard trade sank the Sullivan-era Pens. That was a disaster and they've won one series since. Rutherford giveth, and Rutherford taketh away.
@@chrisg7731it was Hextall lmao. We were stacked and his completely ruined everything
@@ryanlauzon177 I mean, we haven't won a series since 2018. Hextall wasn't there in 2019 or 2020. It was more than that. The Pens needed defense to beat the Caps in 2018. They were more than capable. Ian Cole was a huge part of beating them in 2016 and 2017. Brassard was not the play. That was a deflating trade for me as a fan. Maybe I make too much of it because I loved what Cole brought to the team, but we've had almost no success since he got traded. I think there's an argument to be made.
@@chriswilson6486 yes. this. they have the distinction of losing to the lowest seeded team in the history of the NHL playoffs. Should have been the wake up call.
They got their cups. They'll survive.
That’s not the point. What happened years ago has no relevance to how they are being managed, or mismanaged now.
@@kftc1980yeah, I'm a Flyers fan and I agree with you😂
@@kftc1980 Sure, but fans can still be proud of winning multiple cups and having tremendous success post salary cap. Remember, I'm speaking as a fan of the Canucks... We would die for just one cup, let alone three.
@@CanucksVidPens 3 last cups Are from salary cap era
Yep. Hard times in Pittsburgh! Before the season began I commented about the acquisition of Karrlsson was a mistake. I would NEVER have Malkin and Karrllson on the ice at the same time. NEVER!!! Both are prone to bad defences, bad effort and bad decisions. Sid, One player can’t do it all!
As a Pittsburgh native and huge Pens fan, I'm really trying to see the positive in this. It sucks that it seems like the run for the Pens is ending early, but honestly, it lasted longer than anyone could have imagined. Back to back cup appearances twice in the span of 9 years. Three of those runs ending in cups (and to be honest maybe could have been more if Sid hadn't been injured so much.) This team, for me personally, has done so much for me and given me so many memories. I wish I could meet Sid just to shake his hand and thank him. It's been a hell of a ride with this team, and I'm fully prepared to support the rebuild. I just hope it comes sooner than later, and we don't just keep beating this poor dead horse.
free crosby like the hawks free'd kane. its the right thing to do
i don't know if they wouldve won in the years crosby missed much of. They would not have gotten past the Bruins in 2011, Kings in 2012 and Blackhawks in 2013 cause they were too stacked compared to the penguins. Be glad you got 3.
@@scottstenlund433 I am so sick of you stooges saying it's the right thing to do. Crosby had a HUGE role in the resigning of Malkin and Letang. He is the reason the core three is still here. The team could be in a very different place if he wasn't adamant about keeping the trio together. I respect and love Crosby as a Pens fan and PGH native, but this delusion that Sid had nothing to do with the way the team is absolutely baffling to me. This is the bed that he made. If he wanted to be traded that'd be fine too, but this sentiment about doing the 'right' thing is so fucking annoying and disgusting.
16 straight playoff streak
16 straight playoff streak
The Penguins feel like they've been denying reality for a few years now. They're an old team, and they clearly are letting down Sidney and Karlsson by providing them with very little depth
Cap room is the reason why.
Karlsson should have never been brought on board in the first place.
@@soccerkiller3He moved a ton of bad contracts to get him. The trade was fine at worst.
@@andrewchristie2970 Sid is having a great season for his age , his stats ain't top 10 anymore but , let him , go win somewhere, why keep him on a team that is going South, for the next few seasons, rebuilding.
@@andrewchristie2970 Crosby is the best trade chip to Colorado, let him fight to win something in his final years,
sad to see crosbys legacy coming to an end. such a great player
He has at least 3 more years in him
Really well done on these tight breakdown video's, I think playing a lot of hockey makes me appreciate this more too
Interesting when you look at how many years and what the cap hits for the big 4 on the Penguins. Crosby (36 years old) has one more year , Malkin (37 years old ) has two more years, Letang (36 years old) has four more years, and Karlsson (33 years old) has 3 more years.
LeTang has had 2 strokes. Jeff Carter is 39 years old. The Pens need to begin a complete rebuild!
I’ve said it for 3 years now. EK65 needs to be bought out by a team. The only reason he broke 100 points on the sharks last year is because management told him to forget about Defense and just focus on points to get his value up. He should be a bottom 6 forward on a scoring line rather than a top 4 Dman (that’s a bit outlandish I agree I just really don’t think he brings you anything in the back end and would be more effective as a scoring winger )
Dubas was in a shit position no matter what. Stay in Toronto where Shanny won’t let you trade anything names to open up cap space. Go to Pittsburgh for money and term but suffer through at least 1 season (maybe just 2/3 of the season at this point) where Managment expects you to pull all the stops to get into the playoff one more time.
Without EK65 they’d have a lot more cap space to resign guys
Hate to see it for Crosby and just hockey as a whole, sorry Pitts management but you need a deep cleaning out of contracts to get back into the playoffs in my expert opinion (I’m and expert due to winning 19 Stanley cups in 25 year GM mode with easy trades and edited players so obviously everyone should listen to me)
lol'd at the last part. Fair points across the post (no sarcasm) to back up your decorated history xD
@@lup1up I’m glad my GM greatness has been recognized.
Sully hasn't done a bad job but it's the same team with different faces. We need a systemic change from the ground up and just don't have the time for it
We need depth players that can play a faster game. With Malkin and Letang in reduced roles ideally.
@chrismdb5686 I love Geno, and while he does perform adequate to his cap hit, he just ain't that guy anymore.
He refuses to adapt & the players arent listening when he does try
@@patientmental875 He's been working to adapt their play all season. The depth players they have do not work with this core.
@patientmental875 Sully is stubborn. What I've seen the past two years is the change comes too little too late
I feel bad for Sid. Growing up, he and the Pens were always dominant.
Can't feel too bad for him, he's got theee cups
he has 3 cups and millions. i dont feel bad for him at all. i dont feel bad for any player in the nhl. they have life by the balls.
I feel bad that he’s had so many concussions. He would be even better if they hadn’t happened.
His refusal to allow a rebuild is why they're in this mess
@@francescoxiv762yeah idk if it’s him making that decision
Great video! How long does it take you on average to make your videos? Reason I ask is because your video quality is in my mind better than anyone else on youtube and puts some of the major media to shame with the great breakdown game analysis. Bravo!
Excellent breakdown. Keep up the good work
As a Hawks fan, I feel this. The Pens right now are eerily reminiscent of the Hawks during the 2016-17 season. Father time waits for no man…..
Didn’t they win the President’s Trophy that year? I don’t think it’s quite the same
Great video love the breakdown
As a pens fan, hurts to give this vid a like, but love the structural analysis. Keep it comin!
Great video, sums it up nicely! As a lifelong 40yo pens fan that has seen 5 cup wins, Im not gonna complain. Win or lose, I’m going to enjoy watching Sid play, it’s been an absolute honor. Growing up with 66 and watching 87s entire career, we’ve been really lucky in Pittsburgh. We’ll reload and be back in the playoffs next year!
Playoffs next year? That’s ridiculous
No tears shed here 🤭
Tired of sid owning your franchise? 2 cups for an original 6 team is beyond embarrassing.
@@user-xg4uj7qh5v bust on me for loyalty & toughness, any Ranger fan can handle it 👊. When the old dogs reach the sunset, hope your organization doesn’t crumble 😉…. 💪🔵🔴⚪️💪
Crosby and the Penguins have never been the same since Game 7 of the 1st Round vs the Rangers when they lost in OT following a 3-1 lead and they imploded when it mattered the most
I feel so bad for Sid right now. He’s done so much for the Penguins and the team is letting him down.
Don't feel too bad for Sid. He's accomplished a lot in his career. Stanley Cups, Olympic golds, Hart trophy, Conn Smythe trophy, Rocket Richard trophy, Art Ross trophy and more .....
it sucks in a way but i don't feel too bad cause he's won almost everything there is to win. Multiple things he's won he's won more than once too
It’s brutal watching them!
Being I was at the Calgary game it was sad to see Sid in that state but also I’m a flames fan and I really wanted a W on Mikkas night, but this season has been frustrating for them
Pens ownership when interviewing Dubas: "Can you take what you did in Toronto and replicate the magic here?"
Dubas: "Absolutely I can!"
Wow this is an incredible breakdown. The Sabres have had to battle with a lot of the same exact problems although they are the youngest team in the league. They have been adjusting on defense but struggling on offense or vice versa each game.
What's weird is the fact that Crosby is currently having his worst points per game in his NHL career and yet he's having a great season personally. As a Flyers fan, too bad for him that the Penguins were unable to match that as a team.
Their core guys Crosby, Malkin, Letang are all in their career golden yrs. The team has to be rebuilt and it takes time to do that. They don't owe their fans anything with 16 straight playoff yrs and 3 Stanley Cups.
our problem is we started trading picks instead of keeping them knowing our star players are slowing and not gonna keep putting up consistent numbers as they get older. So problem is we need to rebuild, and start trading for picks instead of trading our own picks. Like Jake Guentzel would be a good player to trade for a pick, he has 1 year left in his contract and he could lead to a possible good prospect that could rebuild our franchise
well that's some real deep hockey psychology . Well done!
I can speak of all of us when i say the Pittsburgh Penguins we got between 2009-2017 are over
Watching the Pens play, there are far too many times where it looks like no one, on the ice, knows where they should be, or what they should be doing...even the most seasoned veterans on the team. That's coaching, and, like you said, "the message getting stale, after all these years." Sully should have been gone, after the 19-20 season. The Pens ended up in a play-in game because they limped into the season shutdown, losing eight of their last eleven games...only winning against three of the worst teams in the league.
The problems that we are seeing, now, are the same ones that we saw, then...there's just more attention on it, now, partly because of how well Sid is playing.
As a 30+ year pens fan, it seems everyone else is more concerned about this team than the actual fans. Im just enjoying watching crosby defy his age, this team has been old and slow for years now and with the moves Dubas made last off season its clear we were going down the detroit route... I know this team will be crap for at least the next 5 years but winning 3 cups with the current core and being a perennial playoff contender is more than i could ask for as a fan. I just hope the organization does right by Crosby considering how much hes done for everyone involved.
I don’t really feel like the core is the issue with Pittsburgh at all. Depth and Goaltending need to be focused on, even if they need to sell at the deadline and retain, they could pick up some picks and maybe start a semi rebuild now while keeping Crosby
I feel like Syd doesn’t want to leave Pittsburgh and he’d like to retire there, but he also knows he’s still got it enough to win a cup if the circumstances were right, so he’s in a tight spot. Not saying he wants to be traded, but I think he’s dealing with something he’s never had to before. The idea that one day the Pens core was going to get old and they were going to be bad again.
This has been apparent for some time. The only question is when are they going to realize it and rebuild?
Please do a Stankoven Video. 🙏🏼 I loved the Hintz one that you did in the playoffs.
It’s the coaching 100% even though they are old they still have a lot of talent
Letang is AWFUL defensively. My kid is a big Pens fan, so I've watched a ton of their games and he's directly responsible for a lot of goals against. Brutal. The giveaway to Kadri Saturday night was so weak. And, he got walked around/beat on the previous goal too. Just far to soft for a strong man. Can't believe he hasn't been benched or something.
Not as broken as ottawa at least
Ottawa has far more potential than Pittsburgh for the foreseeable future.
ottawa has a young team bro wait a few years
@@TranslatedAssumption he have yager pickering and blomqvist thats basically it
Well Pittsburgh was once fixed, Ottawa's been broken for awhile it's not shocking anymore
There's rumours of them going on a fire sale this trade deadline idk man. Fans r gonna throw in the towel at this point.
This is the content this channel excels at.
The ‘slow poke vector’ 😅
they are the oldest team in the league, give them a break.
Time to rebuild. Touch question is do you rebuild slowly after a few seasons of high draft picks or do you trade your top veteran players (Crosby/Malkin) and speed the process up with more picks? The Wilkes/Barre Pens are likely to make the AHL playoffs, but I don't see a lot of talent there ready to come up.
My St. Louis Blues have one Cup in about 54 years. Consider yourself lucky Pens fans. 3 Cups in the last 20 years.
0:56 funniest statement I’ve heard in a while 😂😂
Boy, you're just itching for someone to bite on this and ask who you think is better, aren't you? We get it. You like Ovechkin. No one cares.
@@chrisg7731lol. Ovi with one cup no Olympic gold. Known for his goal scoring and nothing else
@@PGHsports89 that left circle is going to be awfully lonely when Ovechkin retires. I've laid off my Ovechkin hate, but I find him so not compelling to watch. Same thing game in, game out. Monster one timer. I'll give it to him. Nothing else. Particularly defensively.
What drugs u use man
Please do a vid on the CBJ PP, it is so frustrating to watch game in game out
As a pens fan it was a matter of time I’m sorry Crosby
Knew this would happen to the Pens once they picked up Erik Karlsson. He's a curse, but as a Sharks fan, I thank you.
You Sharks fans are the worst most ungrateful fans worse than Toronto fans that man literally lead your team in points and scoring when you’re team was bottom of the league in everything and he didn’t even say a word about it either he just sucked it up and keep playing and yet you still hate on him. This how you treat every player that leaves? Lord only knows how you all reacted when Thornton and Marleau left for different teams.
@@SnitchGaang0 Hmmm, not so. Thornton and Marleau are still quite beloved in SJ. No hard feeling there. It was the Sharks that choose not to resign them, so they went to other teams. Fan wise, we understood. That's the business part of the game. Same with Pavelski, who's been great for Dallas. We still love Pavs. In fact, that one is extra difficult for fans, because we basically let Pavelski go to afford Karlsson. Those were big shoes to fill. I don't know what GM Doug Wilson was thinking.
Here's the problem with Karlsson, and this is hard to explain. He's a very good hockey player. And I don't know how this happens, but he DOES NOT make the other players, or the team around him, better. He seems to suck the success out of teams. He still puts up numbers for himself, but the team suffers. There's something broken about him as a component of a successful team. I think you'd have to be in the locker room to understand it better.
Karlsson is getting paid over $11million a year. You don't get to say sh!t about how bad your team might be when you get paid that much. In my mind, when you get paid that much, you own part of the responsibility of making that team successful. Winning games. Because of the cap, a guy who pulls in a big salary like that know he's preventing the team from signing other players who might help them win. He needs to make up that difference, but Karlsson doesn't. He's a defensive liability. Maybe there is a way to slot him into a team and make it work, but no one has cracked that code yet.
The Pens are an aging team. Sid and Geno are great players, but adding Karlsson to "fix it" for one last shot was a mistake, just like the Sharks made. Thankfully Karlsson is gone and the Sharks are trying to rebuild. The Pens just delayed their rebuild by a year. Lets see when they wise-up.
@@glenmiller1437 You forgot about the part where they let go of Burnzie to give EK a bigger role cuz he wasn’t gelling with EK lol interested to see if that will actually happen with Letang cuz he’s old and becoming a Liability on defense as well hell we even won a cup without him by signing washed FAs and slotting forwards into defensive pairings, and we also haven’t even really given EK a shot in the top defense spot either outside of the PP so it’s hard to strictly put the blame solely on him right now but I see your point a guy making 11 million should step up especially when you have other proven players to sign like Jake or in your guys Scenario Pavs.
And Sid is Great yes but here’s the problem with Geno I’ll describe it for you like you kindly did for me with Karlsson the guy is still a great player but like Karlsson he drags the team down he tends to show up when he wants to in games hell half the time his stick isn’t even on the ice cuz he doesn’t wanna play defense or play the forecheck anymore and he simply doesn’t mesh well with his linemates and hasn’t since our Stanley cup run he literally kills every Winger we bring in Zucker,Archibald and every rookie we try to bring up, Reaves,
Horny, and now Smith and Smith is a genuine great 25 goal a year 80 point a season guy who is even a great locker room presence hell he was an AC for Vegas but he simply doesn’t wanna be a Penguin and has been holding back all year on Malkin’s line I think it’s obvious when someone of that caliber doesn’t wanna be a part of the team cuz you aren’t winning and isn’t playing the level they are supposed to be on the line with one of your “core players” and after this has happened before in the past too with previous players on that same line that you let go of then it should be clear that it’s more of that “Core players” problem than it is these new players you keep bringing in, hell Malkin probably shouldn’t have even been resigned in the offseason he carries a hefty contract as well like Karlsson but Sid is a class act and wanted him back respect to him for that.
@@SnitchGaang0 Interesting. (Ya, I did forget about Burns.) I don't watch the Pens enough to really see what Geno does, although I have seen him be kind of "moody". Sid is always focused. Always a gamer. Its got to be tough putting together a team. Lots of intangibles, matching up players for lines, players get unhappy, it's a long season. But you're right, a guy who is high paid and supposed to be a leader can't bring negativity to a team. Even if they aren't producing, they need to raise up their teammates, somehow.
Crosby is never playing a playoff game in his career ever again. It’s his own fault also he demanded that they resign his friends and Kris Letang is a big reason they are terrible now and Malkin could care less about making the playoffs. They are screwed till those 2 guys deals are up. EK also is terrible but everyone knew what a mistake that was.
Us in the Pittsburgh fan-base need to look at this through an Objective view.
If Sid goes or stays should be entirely up to him. He can retire a penguin, or try and win another cup on another team. That should be his call to make for himself. He's earned it.
This team isn't winning a cup. We shouldn't be in a win-now attitude. Last night showed just how far behind that goal they are.
The Front Office needs to cut the dead weight, and I'm talking primarily about Malkin. He's been in this "Coast around and hope his wingers play defense for him" mindset for the past 7 years now.
The Front Office also needs to not throw away draft picks. We only have 5 drafted players on our Roster. And 3 of them were drafted almost 20 years ago.
The special teams coach needs fired, for his lack of power-play knowledge and lack of formation knowledge. If they have a trap at the blue line, it's not hard to dump and chase it out. But instead we give one guy the puck and hope he gets in. There was one game we had 8 minutes on the power-play, and only spent 40 seconds in the O-zone because of this.
Mike Sullivan needs fired for the lack of locker room culture and pandering towards the players that get paid the most. It feels like Crosby is more the coach of the Penguins than it feels like Sullivan is.
The Coaching staff need to realize 3 points.
- "What a player gets paid isn't what they're worth on the ice."
Our power-play for the peak of it's drought was "Who are the highest paid players?" - "They're on the power-play." And it took a quarter of a season without scoring for them to change it for 2 games, then go right back to it.
- "Not every player is going to play cohesively with every player."
Ryan Graves and Erik Karlsson are a great match on paper, but don't work together on the ice. Their mentalities of hockey vision don't align at all.
PO Joseph and Kris Letang are both offensive defense-men. They cohere to each-other great. But they both have a tendency to pinch up. When one does it. It's fine, but when both do. It's a problem.
Marcus Petterson is our best defenseman this year. Because he can adapt to his defensive partner so well from playing with a revolving door of players before Sullivan had confidence in his ability.
This might be partially the age gap on the team. I'm sure the 35+ year olds don't celebrate the same as the 20-25 year olds do. Same goes for Leisure time, hobbies, off-ice activities.
and
- "Not every player is a swiss army knife that can fit every mold."
Jake Guentzel isn't a net front presence. Evgeni Malkin isn't Alexander Ovechkin. Rickard Rakell isn't a sniper. Bryan Rust isn't a playmaker. Sidney Crosby shouldn't be a policeman. Kris Letang isn't the puck moving defense-man he used to be. John Ludvig is the hitting defense-man that Chad Ruwedel is expected to be. Reilly Smith isn't a Two-Way Forward. Ryan Graves isn't an offensive defense-man. The list drones on, but those are the main ones.
The only players currently that plays within his own playstyles is Tristian Jarry, Alex Nedeljkovic, Lars Ellers and Noel Acarriari. And two of the four are goaltenders.
Thank you for reading my thesis.
I will go back to crying into my pillow now waiting for the owners to pull the trigger and say "It's time to rebuild while we still have a great captain as our leader."
THE issue is their inept head coach that has been trying to sabotage the team since their 2nd cup run with him. Same issues year over year despite 3 gms and half the team changing 4 times...they have also changed assistants twice...only things consistant are the HC and the hall of famers, their top goal scorer and rust... who do you think the problem is? Everyone knows!!! Except people that can fire sully apparently. He even has a contract extension that hasn't even kicked in yet!!! 😢
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Think it’s time to trade away Malkin and ACTUALLY give Karlsson a chance up at the top line, Malkin literally kills every winger he plays with I think this Reilly Smith experiment finally proves that. Since Smith is a genuine good 20-25 goal 70 point a season guy who was even an AC for Vegas if he doesn’t wanna be a Penguin we really have to start telling ourselves maybe it is more Malkin then it has been our Wingers. While Karlsson I don’t think he has even been given a shot on the Top line at all this year outside of the PP, but when he’s actually been on the ice he’s been stellar making an impact in big games, in big moments, when we need him exactly why we traded for him and the dude wants to play and have a bigger role he’s voiced that but we have too much damn faith in Letang yet we fail to somehow always remember that we won a cup without him
Dubas should have never trade for Karlsson....i mean he is a great Player...but he never were what the Pens needed....that trade imo killed the Penguins completly...also Ron Hextall did his Damage too...
As a flyers fan I'm loving this season
Crosby has one secondary assist in the last 5 games while also being -8 +/-.
It's just amazing.❤
The Pens taking the "oldest team in the league" title from the Caps gives me some slight relief. As a caps fan, ive been screaming at my team to get younger for about 3 years now. Not really till this season did we really start to make movement to a slight rebuild. Hopefully you guys can do the same and set yourselves up to be in a good spot in a couple of years. Having a bunch of picks over the next few years gives you a slight relief at the end of a season without a playoffs.
“Nobody stays good forever”. - Superman.
Who would have thought that an Aged Erik Karlson was the literal opposite of what this team needed.
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Wings fan understand very well that situation, not good enough anymore/ too old to win a cup but with such an iconic core that feels just can't be traded. Very reminiscent of the end of the "Lidstrom-Zetterberg-Datsyuk" era in Detroit
I'm crying. I don't care so much about the pens. I'm all about 87 and this is hard to watch
Bad management “Dubas” assures the problem getting bigger.
Teams not terrible, but players are being asked to do more than they are capable instead of in the constraints of what they do best. The team doesn’t have a Kunitz or Hörnqvist, and that’s the kind of player or two they need.
Gut the defense, loose Petterson, Graves & Pierre Oliver Joseph. Look at moving Smith & Rakell & only trading Jake for something big, don’t trade Eller either.
Best case scenario Malkin calls it quits. We have Jeff leaving. We’ll start having room. And if we can get Crosby a good player to mentor we’ll be set. Otherwise sorry to say Crosby should dip.
Dubas is waiting for several Leafs deals to expire. I could see Dubas trying to sign or trade for Nick Robertson as part of his rebuild
As A Penguins Fan, I AM Crying In My Boots And It Was Stupid To Not Protect Fleury From Being Taken To Vegas
They still would have never one again ,with Fleury , Vegas defense was built perfect in the expansion draft, now he is 39 and a back up goalie in Minnesota.
@@JAY-zd7vubuilt perfect? They were HORRIBLE defensively. Their top pair defensemen were Nate Schmidt and Luca fucking Sbisa. Theodore and McNabb were good, but very young and not responsible yet. Vegas 2nd line was HORRIFIC defensively and the reason why they traded the entire line by the end of year 2.
The reason why everyone talked about Fleury's resurgance was because Vegas let a million and one breakaways and Fleury stopped most of them. The reason they didnt win the Cup was cause the wheels fell of Fleury against the Caps.
@@JAY-zd7vuall that being said, Fleury would not fix any of Penguins current problems
Having MAF on this team so you can continue in your personality cult worship of him would not contribute to solving any of the team's problems
@@csharp48 true
I would love to see a similar breakdown on the NJ Devils' botched season
This year was a tough situation, to start with. New GM comes in with essentially a mandate to not rebuild because of the core superstars still being together, tries to hit a home run with the Karlsson deal, strikes out, and here we are...
I also think sending Crosby elsewhere would be the best thing for him (and probably best for the team to just flush everything, get tons of picks and prospects, and rebuild), but does Crosby want to go elsewhere? He seems like the kind of guy who wants to retire a Pen rather than chase another ring.
My son has gotten into hockey big time this year. He was born when the Pens won the Cup in 2016. It sucks that his first year watching has been so rough but I'm excited for the rebuild and to see the team that he grows up cheering for. Just a shame Crosby's talent is being wasted right now.
omfg our power play this year
Malkin and Smith really needs to go
As a Pens fan, it's sad to see a marvelous season by Sidney Crosby being wasted. The core is doing what they can, depth scoring and lack of defense has sunk the Penguins this year. At this point, forget about playoffs for this year, and try to get the best return you can on Guentzel and expiring contracts. If the team is not fixed by next year, Sidney Crosby should chase one last cup in free agency because the construction of this team has failed him.
It would be epic to see Sid play at a high level next year, get moved at the deadline for a ton of picks and prospects (hopefully to a team in the east so we drain a conference rival, but obviously not the Flyers, Rangers, Caps, etc), he goes, wins a cup, comes back to the Pens, and maybe in a year or two has one more shot at the cup, maybe with 71 and/or 58. It's a long, long shot, but I'd like to believe if anyone can pull this off, it's Crosby.
How have the Devils avoided a video they have been worse and more of a let down.
They at least have a future, the Pens are finished for years to come
The Devils will get their breakdown
@@beneasler8868 LOL touché 😂
@@hockeypsychology Appreciated, more-so could you tell me what youre background music name is and where you get it from.
@@hockeypsychology Thanks, looking forward to it!
As a penguins fan true to heart you could have not said it any better. I love the pens and always will but we just are not playing at an NHL level right now. People like to hate on him being traded to the Avs but Crosby deserves another chance at a cup. The pens simply are NOT doing that
From 5:32 - 5:36 what is the website?
They had a good run, it always comes to an end, no crying over spilled milk.
Not that I am the brightest piece in the chandelier... but I saw that one coming like the slow-motion train that the Penguins are. How should making an old team even older (Karlsson) and a slow team even slower work in today's NHL? It became so athletic and fast that these two attributes simply MUST be part of the equation.
I am sorry for Sid - he is not only one of the best ever to play the game - but what a pro?!
I was at the game last night
The pens have had almost two decades of brilliant hockey, and in those years, won the stanley cup four times, it was only inevitable that they eventually would start falling off, but it has been a blast to watch nonetheless.
Is it safe to say there will be a coaching change in Pittsburgh...
4:14 Karlson should absolutely not have pinched. Both F2 and F3 are nowhere remotely at the position to back you up if you pinch. Also, you never pinch against 2 players both in forwards motion if the puck is 50/50, even if you have a player in the spot to back you up in Karlson spot in that play because there was a oiler on the ride line far side, turns into a 3v2 if you pinch with support, smart option is take a 3v3
It was a hell of a run… 06-07 through to 2022… I am old enough to remember the 90s Pens, it was the Mario era I became a fan so I have to admit I’ve been spoiled af as a fan. There is a lot on the go here, but it’s clearly not in the cards that we see Sid final years in Pittsburgh be memorable at a team level.
I'm a penguins fan and have been saying since last season we unfortunately need to start a rebuild
I blame Doofus, why sign an elite offensive Dman when you already got one in Letang, while ignoring the lack of secondary scoring, grit, or goaltending. But yeah, the analytics kid who never played hockey got the big name. Wonder what analytics told him to get Karlsson..
The Pens chances at being a good team left right along with Jim Rutherford. Malkin should have been traded AT LEAST two years ago.
People over estimate Crosby and under appreciate the Marc Andre Fleury era. There are players that you have to tell me that they are good like Crosby...constantly and there are players that are obviously good like Peter Forsberg, Pavel Datsyuk, Conner McDavid, Austin Matthews and in an historic 5 on 3 in the Stanley Cup finals, Henrik Zetterberg...and his primary victim was Crosby, twice put down on his panties and he ended the game whining at Zetterberg who handled it with maturity. Pittsburg was treated well by the league (two first overalls and one second in three years?!?) to try to keep the team afloat and not in Hamilton, they won two cups and were gifted two. Not much since then...six years of lost in first round or didn't qualify. They should have shipped Cindy off sooner to some Canadian team that would overvalue him. Maybe the Toronto 1967'ers?
I like the Dubas slow outro! Are you hinting that they could end up like the leafs! lol
I dont feel bad at all. I love crosby, but hes won everything there is to win in hockey.
Dubus set the rebuild 10 years back with the karlsson trade
Haha how. U understand how rebuild Works?
Devils did that way sooner than 10 years
Edit: Its all about management some teams like Columbus or Philly Are badly managed no good team but no balls to rebuild... But in Pens case its clear as day when they cant anymore win Make full rebuild...