Well, given the lifetime of stars being millions or billions of years old. It's possible that the actual supernova won't happen in our lifetimes. Scientists are just hoping it does.
millions of stars have gone supernova that we still see as stars. doesn't really matter about the distance and light speed, the only way we'll really know is when we can see it
_"Can we study Betelgeuse using the James Webb telescope?"_ _"No. It's instruments are too sensitive for its intensity."_ [Hubble telescope] *_"Hey. ya guys know I ain't dead yet, right?"_*
Hubble should be "open sourced' to EVERYONE for $150/hr. I have a few "experiments" to conduct from here, as my workstation is now the same power as a 1993 SGI 10k "Infinite Reality" system , used to confab the first cable modems. But that was just a day job....
It is being observed across many EM wavelengths, including the infrared. As a matter of fact, observations in the infrared during the dimming in 2019 (in the visible spectrum) remained steady, so the dimming wasn’t in the infrared, just the visible light part of the spectrum. If I remember, Hubble does have some capability in observing in 5he near infrared.
@@GanarfGeorgie *_Innkeeper!_* A round of Pangalactic Gargleblasters for the house, and fresh horses for my men. _Wait....._ On second thought, make that polite horses. _(We've had just about enough of their sass.)_ Also, bring me a rubber band sandwich, and make it snappy.....
*@tinman1955* Not only that, you have to catch quite a lot of moles to make up a proper serving of mole-asses. I have no idea why some folks prefer mole-asses on their flapjacks.
Beetlejuice is a giant waste depository for toxic waste generated by the artificially created stars used to power the hyperloop slip stream gates to traverse the galaxy by exiting local space time and traveling outside the curvature of the 3rd dimension of our universe and local time flow is stopped while outside the confines of space time, in the foamy environment of the higs field where the multiverse can be observed and quantified, before you pop your gravity bubble and the graviton waves push you through the space time membrane , back into our own universe that we can exist in. Most universes in the multiverse lack the necessary constants and energy needed to support biological so called life. Were we to accidentally poke a hole into the wrong universe, we would evaporate into basic sub atomic particles and cease to exist. So if could give me a lift to Saturn, I can gather enough materials and deuterium from the wrings to build my own gravity slip stream to access the higs field and get back to my dimension hopefully without being pushed into the wrong universe again. I'm tired of the clown universe of evil and chaos. It was fun the first couple millennium, but its still the clown universe and I hate clowns. Get me the hell out of here. I also can make your interdimentional gravity drive operate more effectively and prevent accidental disentanglment and quantum evaporation and other types of interdimentional errors and potential fuckery that can cause unwanted non existence and cascading universal ripples and mergers with unstable universes like clown universe. So come pick me up, and then we can go back to the universe of order, harmony, and swarms of winged nympomaniac super model hookers and portable blow job maidens . You know , those hot chicks with no vocal chords and a desire to be naked every time they see a star ship land. Clown universe sucks and has none of the great stuff found in the orderly universe we were robbed from. Get me out of here
It all comes down to when Betelgeuse is producing iron. All stages of fusion release energy up to iron. Iron fusion absorbs energy and is the death of supergiant stars.
I live in coastal mountains N/W of Monterey Bay, know for great stargazing. You can see Betelgeuse in a very defined pulse/ vibration seeming to change colors. Fascinating! ⛰🌲👨🌾🇺🇸
@@Macs-l2kis right. What you’re seeing is the distortion from the earths atmosphere. That’s what they mean in the song Twinkie twinkle little star. The only telescope I know of that has software to compensate for the atmospheric distortion is the one in Hawaii. Could be more but that’s the only one I know of.
@@moceri55 I guess you're correct, but Betelgeuse DOES pulse/vibrate/change colors A LOT more prominently than any other star in the sky, as far as I can tell using my trusty binos and observing it at sea altitude near a big city, lol.
It's a star. What happens to it that we see now could well take 650 years or much longer, with various phases. Remember that other stars are in more advanced states than Betelguese, like VY Canis Majoris.
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Betelgeuse will certainly go Supernova soon. But....remember this.....to a star "soon" could be 100 million years. So don't bother sitting on your sun-lounger in the garden tonight staring at Betelgeuse .....hoping for, and waiting for the fireworks display.
I totally saw that. Think it was early February. It was most definitely pulsing to the naked eye. I watched it for like 35 minutes convinced I was about to see a supernova lol.
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS EXPLANATION Back in November I recorded a super zoomed in video of Betelgeuse in an area with little to no light polution, in the video I acknowledge just how crazy bright it is and that it's flashing blue and red. You can even make out the bubbly effects in the video, I did not even think astronomers were studying Betelgeuse right now because the last thing NASA reported on it was that it dimmed significantly and went from being the 10th brightest star to the 20th something which was back in 2019, and now it's even brighter than it was when it was the 10th brightest star, so essentially I spotted and recorded Betelgeuse's bubbles AND the fact it got so much brighter - months before NASA even reported these things, and for that I am very proud of myself, as soon as I went inside home after making the recording, I tried as hard as I could to find any news about the stars current state but the latest studies on the star were in 2019 so I never was able to find any explanation...until now
@@MadScientist267 5 km/sec at a "Jupiter Orbit" would give you a PRECISE RPM. AND - (edited) Just to do some more math . . . . Jupiter orbits the Sun at 13 km/sec Jupiter takes 11.86 Years per orbit. Betelgeuse ROTATES slower, at 5 km/sec so 6.117 e-8 RPM Unless my calculator is broken. 🤔
@@MadScientist267 Earth rotates once a day. That's not a velocity. "Earth spins on its axis at about 1,000 miles per hour (460 m/s or 1,600 km/hr)'. Venus spins so slowly that the Sun rises in the West and sets in the East. So Mr. Scientist, how fast does Venus spin ??
I don't see the need to point out the speed of light when talking about distance objects like this. If we see a meteorite hit the moon, it's not really necessary to mention that it happened 12 seconds ago. There's literally no way of getting information faster than light
Don't see the need to point out the speed of light for every discussion about distant objects* I don't think it needs a correction, when we see it dim or something, that's when it dims, that's when it effects us.
No, because "when" depends upon where you are. Only the speed of light (causality) is constant, so the idea of simultaniety is meaningless over such distances.
When the fusion process begins making iron, the supernova happens in a few seconds as the fusion does not generate enough energy to support the mass. Gravity always wins.
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nah, hell in our universe already exists and is much closer to Earth. A certain evil twin of ours named Venus. Surface temperatures hot enough to melt lead (800°F, 426°C) a consistent state of dim dawn brightness because of the thick yellow sulphuric acid clouds blocking sunlight almost no wind at all on the surface, meaning the heat thrives even more thousands of volcanoes across the surface its day lasts longer than its year rains sulphuric acid, but because of the extreme surface temperature, it evaporates before even touching the ground an atmospheric pressure almost 100× that of Earth's no magnetosphere so it's in a constant state of bombardment from the sun's rays if you were to step on that planet without a protective suit, you'd be crushed, scalded with every breath and badly burned all over, and would die of asphyxiation due to its atmosphere being made up of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and sulphuric acid, no oxygen. you'd be dead in seconds
It's approximately seven hundred light years away So if it does explode in the near future technically. Yes, we would know until the light gets to us But it's still close enough to where we're able to get a decent ammount of data
Is there somewhere you can somehow make so you get a notification when that SNEWS detects nutrinos? I really wanna be watching the sky when this happens. (I'm aware it could be 30 years from now)
Yes! From the official website of SNEWS, you can download the SNEWS app to get notified about the occurrence of a neutrino burst. Here's the link to that webpage: snews2.org/alert-signup/ Cheers :)
It's nearly impossible to detect Neutrinos from our own sun. Theory says they should be everywhere all the time but even then they are extraordinarily hard to detect. They tend to go right through just about everything including the detectors. In a numbers game determined by the inverse square law .. detecting Neutrinos from our sun is extremely difficult making detecting them from light years away .. well .. impossible.
@ around 01:30 ... the info regarding last Supernova visible by naked human eyes was in the 17th century is probably wrong ... last Supernova observed by naked humans eyes happened in 1987 if i'm not mistaken ...
@@Taijitu527 We only have real data on just one sun. All the others, if any others exist at all, are just tiny streams of photons. Nothing real can be learned from them other than their frequency and direction of travel. What science says about other suns is based upon what we know to be true with our sun plus a little more or less based upon computer models. There is no way to determine the shape of Betelgeuse nor whether or not it displays aggression.
@@NomadicSal Starologist? All it takes is basic physics. The only physical evidence we have from Betelgeuse is light, and not very much of it. Astronomy describes the edge of the universe in more detail than Oceanographers describe the ocean floor. We have reams of data from the ocean floor but only a tiny portion has been explored. We have next to nothing from deep space.
We've never observed a star forming. But they explode every 26 years on average. And we've observed that. So when someone says a star formed in a solar nebula. That's just an educated guess. Another interesting thing is if we count the exploded stars in our galaxy there are about 6000 years worth of dead stars.
I hear you saying that we have figured out that we can't figure it out while desperately hanging on to scientific knowledge? The only constant is change.. expect the unexpected. The only "problematic" process is prediction 💫
What I find fascinating is that supernovas apparently happen in seconds, so regardless of the time it takes it’s light to actually get here, in our sky, it would also seem to visually change in seconds to our eyes as well, even if it happened long, long ago.
Way back in the earlier days of personal computers (PCs), I found a program for the Atari that simulated motion by changing (rotating) colors on a water fall. This seems to be what is happening with Betelgeuse. With the convection of temperatures creating red-shifts/blue shifts, this has the same effect. (Basically what you had already said, but in a simpler, repeatable fashion.)
5:48 That is not the way to measure rotational speed. I don't want to do the math with Betelgeuse's unstable circumference and tge speed of the surface compared to a stationary point in space. Just tell me how long it takes to rotate once.
The models of supernova's show that a star has to go through this boiling bubbling process first before it can explode. The models just don't work to produce a supernova without this happening. Doesn't mean the models are right but that is what they show. There is still a very small risk of a gamma ray burst from a Betelgeuse supernova despite being 650 light years away. It is almost certainly not big enough to produce a gamma ray burst and its explosion poles would have to be pointed directly at Earth but there is still a one in a billion risk. You would have to be in a concrete type basement for a few hours to escape this risk and everyone in your hemisphere would be dead on the streets anyway if it happened and there would be no electronic equipment left intact (including your car and your phone and electricity) so don't worry about it. You don't want to live through a gamma ray burst.
If a gamma ray dangerous enough to kill everyone on a hemisphere hit earth, being in a basement wouldn't save you. Gamma radiation is very persistent, and also if it were such a high amount of gamma radiation it would fry the ozone layer, in which case i'd advise you to stay miles underground for centuries until the ozone layer might have recovered.
You MEANT to say "something weird was happening to Betelgeuse 642 years ago, (it's 642.5 lights years away so we're watching what Betelgeuse was doing in the year 1382; it may have exploded a century ago, we just can't know yet).
I heard if you say Betelgeuse: not beetlejuice, three times. our star/sun will rapidly grow in mass and go supernova. I wouldn't try it because I like the warmth we have right now, not radioactive microwaving of our planet
As many people have stated it more than likely has already gone supernova, it is 642.5 lightyears away, a paper in 2023 had predicted between 10 and 300 years to deplete its core fuel, therefore the hope is that the light of the supernova reaches us in our life time, and something is weird happening compared to other observed stars of the same size and mass, so just enjoy the cool CGI and hope we get to see it.
when they say it happened at a particular time (jan for example), is that what is happening actually at that moment ... or did it happen x light-years ago and just reaching us in jan?
Beetlefuice began to dim so it came to be known as the great dimming of Beetlejuice… and that’s the best they got? It’s no wonder they went into astronomy, marketing was just not their specialty.
You mean something already happened on Beetlejuice since it takes 650 years for us to see or detect it. It may have gone supernova yesterday but we won’t be alive to witness it.
Just tossing it out there but wouldn’t it be entirely possible that the reason this star dims the way it does could be planets that are still rotating around it but inside it’s up layers? I mean when the sun expands and swallows all the inner rocky planets, it’s still a slow process and the planets would take a considerable amount of time to burn up. The planets would still want to orbit around it. So if that were the case, then this dimming would be the same as if the planet were outside of it. What we might be seeing are cores of this star’s planets that are still orbiting the star. They are just orbiting the star within its outer layers and when they get on the side facing earth it cause the star to dim.
Rotation is not measured in miles or kilometer per second, but in angular velocity, rpm or degrees per time. Only flatearthers measure in absolute speed.
I don't understand why people don't realise that it's in all probability part of the lifecycle of a red giant star, this is why it's dimming and brightening. Like the sun at the centre of the solar system. If anything it needs to be studied and recorded so that we can expand our knowledge of the cosmos.
There are many different estimates of the distance to Betelgeuse. I've seen everything from 450 light years up to 850 light years and they can't really tell because it's surface is unstable. From my point of view I don't care. All I want is for the wavefront of the explosion to get here before I become completely unable to go out and observe it.
Rotation is actually normally measured in 1/[time unit, preferably second]. However, space is big, and aside from neutron stars and black holes, objects in space tend to rotate quite slowly.
Here's the ChatGPT prompt that wrote this script: "Write a script on the recent behavior of the star Betelgeuse. Make it interesting and include several exciting reveals. Add in an ad for Babble in the middle."
The Betelgeuse Star Explosion was a much in the News in last Year 2023 and still people talks about it. What is really happening on the Betelgeuse, when it exlode and can we see that with only the Naked Eyes? 💫💥
If we're lucky. I sure Am hoping to get to see the final flashy photons of an uncontrolled fusion reactor, sent breakneck speed this away So Very long ago!! Yes, please! We'll have to be very, very lucky. I hope I hope I hope...
You certainly will be able to see it with the naked eye. It’s already one of the brightest stars in the sky. When it goes supernova, it will be so bright, you’ll be able to see it during the day for probably a few weeks. At night, it will be as bright as the moon.
Yes. The Hipparchos satellite (using the width..the diameter.. of earth's orbit around the sun as a baseline) placed Betelgeuse at a distance of about 724 light-years, or, more accurately, between 613 and 881 light-years, when data uncertainties are included.
@@petergibson2318 this was the new correction of the distance?...the most recent one i heard of? or an old one?...sorry for the question specification but i only trust trigonometry for the distances
Two options a neutron star or a massive white dwarf! Not enough mass to become a black hole or singularity!! It layer will shed faster then it has to absorb its escaping mass!!
People have really got to stop thinking in such reductionist material terms. With such thinking originating in the era of gaslight and so now, start to catch up to the Natural Philosophers. We are now in the 21st century of plasma physics and plasma doesn't boil, it discharges in one of three different plasma discharge modes, with stars discharging in PDM 3, arc mode. With the varying electric input from the galactic main body being variable and so giving the differences in luminosity.
Is it entirely possisble that a star could be trapped within a star? I've pondered the the notion for some time now, especially when it comes to the odd behavour of Betelgeuse.
If its spinning faster it iron rich core is being compressed and its field becoming eratic producing more eratic fusion more on one side than the other!
Day 3,648 of people saying "Something weird is happening on Betelgeuse"
Well, given the lifetime of stars being millions or billions of years old. It's possible that the actual supernova won't happen in our lifetimes. Scientists are just hoping it does.
There is a chance the supernova already happened but the light hasn't reached earth
This guy doesn't understand galactic timescales
... but now back to the Phlegraean Fields! 😁
@@heatherflaherty3360to be fair it’s a couple hundred light years away so it might take a couple hundred years
So technicaly Betelgeuse could already have gone supernova right now and we wouldnt even know until 400 500 years from now
Or it did it hundreds of years ago and we'll see it soon
millions of stars have gone supernova that we still see as stars. doesn't really matter about the distance and light speed, the only way we'll really know is when we can see it
@@littlegirlblue9829I desperately hope that we will see it soon. I really want to see a Super Nova in my lifetime
Not necessarily. It may have already gone supernova and we’ll see it soon meaning it went supernova 400-600 years ago.
634 years to be exact.
_"Can we study Betelgeuse using the James Webb telescope?"_
_"No. It's instruments are too sensitive for its intensity."_
[Hubble telescope] *_"Hey. ya guys know I ain't dead yet, right?"_*
Hubble should be "open sourced' to EVERYONE for $150/hr. I have a few "experiments" to conduct from here, as my workstation is now the same power as a 1993 SGI 10k "Infinite Reality" system , used to confab the first cable modems. But that was just a day job....
@@htos1avyou must be joking 😂
What's needed to study it, is a big mirror and sunglasses. Webb forgot his sunglasses. What would you expect from a NASA administrator?
It is being observed across many EM wavelengths, including the infrared. As a matter of fact, observations in the infrared during the dimming in 2019 (in the visible spectrum) remained steady, so the dimming wasn’t in the infrared, just the visible light part of the spectrum. If I remember, Hubble does have some capability in observing in 5he near infrared.
Perhaps we need a spacecraft that points at Betelgeuse at all times, streaming data constantly?
“Betelgeuse is Boiling” is now the name of my new drone folk album
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice bettlej……..
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Exactly what I was thinking! 😂👍
You gotta squeeze a helluva lotta beetles to make that much Beetlejuice.
Ford Prefect's second favorite beverage, next to Pangalactic Gargleblaster!
@@GanarfGeorgie *_Innkeeper!_* A round of Pangalactic Gargleblasters for the house, and fresh horses for my men. _Wait....._ On second thought, make that polite horses. _(We've had just about enough of their sass.)_
Also, bring me a rubber band sandwich, and make it snappy.....
*@tinman1955* Not only that, you have to catch quite a lot of moles to make up a proper serving of mole-asses. I have no idea why some folks prefer mole-asses on their flapjacks.
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indeed
Actually, Betelgeuse WAS boiling. It may even have gone nova already. As it's more than 650 light years away what we're seeing happened 650 years ago.
Actually...you sound like a absolute cringey douche trying to make a point everyone already knows
It hasn't. We aliens oftern pass it. 👽
I don't think super giants go Nova
@@nighthawk0077 no, but Supernova. Thats a difference.
Beetlejuice is a giant waste depository for toxic waste generated by the artificially created stars used to power the hyperloop slip stream gates to traverse the galaxy by exiting local space time and traveling outside the curvature of the 3rd dimension of our universe and local time flow is stopped while outside the confines of space time, in the foamy environment of the higs field where the multiverse can be observed and quantified, before you pop your gravity bubble and the graviton waves push you through the space time membrane , back into our own universe that we can exist in. Most universes in the multiverse lack the necessary constants and energy needed to support biological so called life. Were we to accidentally poke a hole into the wrong universe, we would evaporate into basic sub atomic particles and cease to exist. So if could give me a lift to Saturn, I can gather enough materials and deuterium from the wrings to build my own gravity slip stream to access the higs field and get back to my dimension hopefully without being pushed into the wrong universe again. I'm tired of the clown universe of evil and chaos. It was fun the first couple millennium, but its still the clown universe and I hate clowns. Get me the hell out of here. I also can make your interdimentional gravity drive operate more effectively and prevent accidental disentanglment and quantum evaporation and other types of interdimentional errors and potential fuckery that can cause unwanted non existence and cascading universal ripples and mergers with unstable universes like clown universe. So come pick me up, and then we can go back to the universe of order, harmony, and swarms of winged nympomaniac super model hookers and portable blow job maidens . You know , those hot chicks with no vocal chords and a desire to be naked every time they see a star ship land. Clown universe sucks and has none of the great stuff found in the orderly universe we were robbed from. Get me out of here
It all comes down to when Betelgeuse is producing iron. All stages of fusion release energy up to iron. Iron fusion absorbs energy and is the death of supergiant stars.
There might have been a collision with a planet sized object heavy in iron
If I remember correctly, the iron producing phase is so fast you would say it is the beginning of the supernova, not any kind of warning of one.
@@michaelbarnard8529 Each phase of fusion the amount of time in that phase is shortened by 1/2. The fusion phase of iron lasts less than a day.
Yeah. The process is Hydrogen first then Helium to Carbon then Silicon to Iron and then Supernova.
And once it reaches iron Betelgeuse will become a neutron star after it's gone supernova.
I live in coastal mountains N/W of Monterey Bay, know for great stargazing. You can see Betelgeuse in a very defined pulse/ vibration seeming to change colors. Fascinating! ⛰🌲👨🌾🇺🇸
Yeah, what you are seeing is caused by the Earth's atmosphere.
@@Macs-l2kis right. What you’re seeing is the distortion from the earths atmosphere. That’s what they mean in the song Twinkie twinkle little star. The only telescope I know of that has software to compensate for the atmospheric distortion is the one in Hawaii. Could be more but that’s the only one I know of.
@@moceri55 I guess you're correct, but Betelgeuse DOES pulse/vibrate/change colors A LOT more prominently than any other star in the sky, as far as I can tell using my trusty binos and observing it at sea altitude near a big city, lol.
He is my friend since childhood.. I dont want him to explode.. 😢😢 Aridra Nakshtra..
me neither. It would ruin my favorite constellation. 😢
Don't worry, in betelgeuse's place will be born countless more stars, so called "children of betelgeuse," as I like to think of it
@@arandomperson4718 You mean Beetel's juice?
@@omega311888Screw your constellation, gimme dat supernova!
You're not going to know or see it. Still 4 to 500 years further to go before we humans know for sure. But yeah, Orion's left shoulder...
Type 5 civilisations at Beetlegeese playing games with us...😂
Did someone genetically combine beetles with geese? I guess a type 5 could do that.
Don't forget that any, so called events on betelgeuse, that we observe, happed 650 years ago
Right, so saying „something weird IS happening…..“ sounds odd
For me, the "now" is defined by my position in the universe.
It's a star. What happens to it that we see now could well take 650 years or much longer, with various phases. Remember that other stars are in more advanced states than Betelguese, like VY Canis Majoris.
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Robert: Right. I was GOING to tell you they'd come.
Rosalind: But you didn't.
Robert: But I DON'T.
Rosalind: You sure that's right?
Robert: I was going to HAVE told you they'd come?
Rosalind: No.
Robert: The subjunctive?
Rosalind: That's not the subjunctive.
Robert: I don't think the syntax has been invented yet.
Rosalind: It would have had to have been.
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The important time is when will we be able to witness it. I don’t care when it actually happened.
Betelgeuse will certainly go Supernova soon.
But....remember this.....to a star "soon" could be 100 million years.
So don't bother sitting on your sun-lounger in the garden tonight staring at Betelgeuse .....hoping for, and waiting for the fireworks display.
Betelgeuse can't live for 100 million years. It's life expectancy is up in 100,000 years maximum. The star will have lived for 10 million years
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@@zrglow4450instructions…..unclear…..been stuck now…..
It was pulsing a few months ago. I just happened to be watching on a clear night.
I totally saw that. Think it was early February. It was most definitely pulsing to the naked eye. I watched it for like 35 minutes convinced I was about to see a supernova lol.
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS EXPLANATION
Back in November I recorded a super zoomed in video of Betelgeuse in an area with little to no light polution, in the video I acknowledge just how crazy bright it is and that it's flashing blue and red. You can even make out the bubbly effects in the video, I did not even think astronomers were studying Betelgeuse right now because the last thing NASA reported on it was that it dimmed significantly and went from being the 10th brightest star to the 20th something which was back in 2019, and now it's even brighter than it was when it was the 10th brightest star, so essentially I spotted and recorded Betelgeuse's bubbles AND the fact it got so much brighter - months before NASA even reported these things, and for that I am very proud of myself, as soon as I went inside home after making the recording, I tried as hard as I could to find any news about the stars current state but the latest studies on the star were in 2019 so I never was able to find any explanation...until now
@@MadScientist267
Fr they should use Footballfield/cheeseburger instead
@@YTDani75
As an aspiring Astrophysicist...
I approve of this metric.
Infact the whole world should use this.
@@MadScientist267 5 km/sec at a "Jupiter Orbit" would give you a PRECISE RPM.
AND - (edited)
Just to do some more math . . . .
Jupiter orbits the Sun at 13 km/sec
Jupiter takes 11.86 Years per orbit.
Betelgeuse ROTATES slower, at 5 km/sec
so 6.117 e-8 RPM
Unless my calculator is broken. 🤔
@@MadScientist267
I know... I'm a Student...
That was just a joke to go by...
Have a good day pal
@@MadScientist267 Earth rotates once a day. That's not a velocity.
"Earth spins on its axis at about 1,000 miles per hour (460 m/s or 1,600 km/hr)'.
Venus spins so slowly that the Sun rises in the West and sets in the East.
So Mr. Scientist, how fast does Venus spin ??
If you say Betelgeuse three times it explodes.
Love it! 🤣
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'Ahem, I believe you MEANT to say it WAS boilng....". Am I the thousandth poster? Did I win?
We measure time and events from our perspective so we say is
"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."
- Obi-Wan Kenobi
May 1977! That movie was SUCH a smash hit-it DROVE all the Mars news (and the face ) OUT of papers and tv OVERNIGHT!!!
So, if we add 700 yrs to may 1977, = 2677AD, I’ll be gone, way gone😂
*_"These aren't the comments you're looking for"_*
~~ Obi-Wonton Cannoli
@@paradisepipeco funny……
@@gregstuart9783 Alas, young Jedi..... Perhaps I have not lived in vain after all...... I appreciate the good word.
Cheers.
Imagine being one of those who is living close to this star, oh dear.
Anything that we see happening to Betelgeuse now, actually happened 600 years ago.
Correction, something weird has happened on Betelgeuse.
Approximately 600 years ago.
I don't see the need to point out the speed of light when talking about distance objects like this. If we see a meteorite hit the moon, it's not really necessary to mention that it happened 12 seconds ago. There's literally no way of getting information faster than light
Don't see the need to point out the speed of light for every discussion about distant objects* I don't think it needs a correction, when we see it dim or something, that's when it dims, that's when it effects us.
No, because "when" depends upon where you are. Only the speed of light (causality) is constant, so the idea of simultaniety is meaningless over such distances.
@@taylorlatch2635 short sighted view 🤔😉😂
*_"Betelgeuse Is Boiling"_* is my favorite Tennessee Williams play.
When the fusion process begins making iron, the supernova happens in a few seconds as the fusion does not generate enough energy to support the mass. Gravity always wins.
main sequence stars with iron in them usually become a black hole. Betelgeuse is a supergiant, so this comment makes so much sense.
Time always win!
The track you play from 3:40 to 8:40 is my absolute fave of your background music. I wish I knew the name and artist because I'd love to find it and listen to it without any narration.
Tim Burton's viral marketing for Beetlejuice Beetlejuice (Out on September 6) has started
In some cultures Betelgeus was a Hell dimension. When it explodes you could thonk of it as "the gates of Hell being thrown wide"
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nah, hell in our universe already exists and is much closer to Earth.
A certain evil twin of ours named Venus.
Surface temperatures hot enough to melt lead (800°F, 426°C)
a consistent state of dim dawn brightness because of the thick yellow sulphuric acid clouds blocking sunlight
almost no wind at all on the surface, meaning the heat thrives even more
thousands of volcanoes across the surface
its day lasts longer than its year
rains sulphuric acid, but because of the extreme surface temperature, it evaporates before even touching the ground
an atmospheric pressure almost 100× that of Earth's
no magnetosphere so it's in a constant state of bombardment from the sun's rays
if you were to step on that planet without a protective suit, you'd be crushed, scalded with every breath and badly burned all over, and would die of asphyxiation due to its atmosphere being made up of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and sulphuric acid, no oxygen. you'd be dead in seconds
It's deathbed,lol, maybe 500,000 years from now, these distances and time scales are so vast.
did it already die but we dont know yet?
That light that reach us is hundreds and hundreds of years old...so quite possibly.
It's approximately seven hundred light years away So if it does explode in the near future technically. Yes, we would know until the light gets to us But it's still close enough to where we're able to get a decent ammount of data
Damn... I remember the good old days when Ford, Zaphod and I used to star surf on Betelgeuse... I hope they are alright wherever they are...
42.
Well, he's getting a sequel...ofc he would be boiling with anticipation...or anger depending on how the sequel goes
Nobody has laughed at me when I say that I love my shovel ever since the ones that did went missing.
Great content and presentation. 🇦🇺 😊
I thought you said penetration
If the star explodes and Orion loses one shoulder, it would look like Pushpa.
At least it isnt one of the stars in the belt!
The animation at 2:22 was interesting and I've never seen tat before. Was that a real simulation of what Betelgeuse is like?
Supernova simulation of the dust being thrown out.
Is there somewhere you can somehow make so you get a notification when that SNEWS detects nutrinos? I really wanna be watching the sky when this happens. (I'm aware it could be 30 years from now)
Yes! From the official website of SNEWS, you can download the SNEWS app to get notified about the occurrence of a neutrino burst. Here's the link to that webpage:
snews2.org/alert-signup/
Cheers :)
@@TheSecretsoftheUniverse Thank you very much!
@@TheSecretsoftheUniverse is there one for android?
Sameee!!!
It's nearly impossible to detect Neutrinos from our own sun. Theory says they should be everywhere all the time but even then they are extraordinarily hard to detect. They tend to go right through just about everything including the detectors.
In a numbers game determined by the inverse square law .. detecting Neutrinos from our sun is extremely difficult making detecting them from light years away .. well .. impossible.
@ around 01:30 ... the info regarding last Supernova visible by naked human eyes was in the 17th century is probably wrong ... last Supernova observed by naked humans eyes happened in 1987 if i'm not mistaken ...
Betelgeuse never fails to keep us on our toes! Can't wait to see what this weirdness is all about!
All starts 'boil' on their surfaces. Even Sol boils on the surface.
Yea but not in a way it starts getting Irregular shape and in a Agressive way
@@Taijitu527 We only have real data on just one sun. All the others, if any others exist at all, are just tiny streams of photons. Nothing real can be learned from them other than their frequency and direction of travel.
What science says about other suns is based upon what we know to be true with our sun plus a little more or less based upon computer models. There is no way to determine the shape of Betelgeuse nor whether or not it displays aggression.
@@Deploracle ok
@@Deploracleoh nice? What school did you go to to get your starologist degree
@@NomadicSal Starologist?
All it takes is basic physics. The only physical evidence we have from Betelgeuse is light, and not very much of it.
Astronomy describes the edge of the universe in more detail than Oceanographers describe the ocean floor. We have reams of data from the ocean floor but only a tiny portion has been explored. We have next to nothing from deep space.
Anyone else stare at it for more than 30s, trying to will it to go?
All the time
It’s the aliens building a Dyson sphere 👽
Lol. That's around KIC 8462852
We've never observed a star forming. But they explode every 26 years on average. And we've observed that. So when someone says a star formed in a solar nebula. That's just an educated guess. Another interesting thing is if we count the exploded stars in our galaxy there are about 6000 years worth of dead stars.
At first i thought the thumbnail was a delicious biscuit.
The day some 700,000 years from now when Orion the Hunter is renamed The Well Hung Hobbyhorse. (@10:50 - 11:08)
Fascinating !
I hear you saying that we have figured out that we can't figure it out while desperately hanging on to scientific knowledge? The only constant is change.. expect the unexpected. The only "problematic" process is prediction 💫
What I find fascinating is that supernovas apparently happen in seconds, so regardless of the time it takes it’s light to actually get here, in our sky, it would also seem to visually change in seconds to our eyes as well, even if it happened long, long ago.
I was simultaneously watching the video and hearing Harry Belafonte's song "Dayo" going on and on in my mind. Now that song is stuck in my mind!😊
Much better *_"Day-O"_* than with *_"Zombie Jamboree"._*
_(You might have to sleep with a light on if that happened.)_
BEETLEJUICE
BEETLEJUICE......
***BEETLEJUICE***
@@KateluvsSunandMoon
*_"Russia, Russia, RUSSIA"_*
~~ Some Republicans.....
... it's been said already... it's an old new, around 640 years old ... it may not be there as we speak ...
Way back in the earlier days of personal computers (PCs), I found a program for the Atari that simulated motion by changing (rotating) colors on a water fall. This seems to be what is happening with Betelgeuse. With the convection of temperatures creating red-shifts/blue shifts, this has the same effect. (Basically what you had already said, but in a simpler, repeatable fashion.)
5:48 That is not the way to measure rotational speed. I don't want to do the math with Betelgeuse's unstable circumference and tge speed of the surface compared to a stationary point in space. Just tell me how long it takes to rotate once.
Maybe the mass ejection was so large that's what got it spinning.
It needs to pop already, i wanna see a supernova before I die
It's spinning faster, so it's shrinking. Helium fusion is ending. It won't be long until it goes supernova.
The models of supernova's show that a star has to go through this boiling bubbling process first before it can explode. The models just don't work to produce a supernova without this happening. Doesn't mean the models are right but that is what they show. There is still a very small risk of a gamma ray burst from a Betelgeuse supernova despite being 650 light years away. It is almost certainly not big enough to produce a gamma ray burst and its explosion poles would have to be pointed directly at Earth but there is still a one in a billion risk. You would have to be in a concrete type basement for a few hours to escape this risk and everyone in your hemisphere would be dead on the streets anyway if it happened and there would be no electronic equipment left intact (including your car and your phone and electricity) so don't worry about it. You don't want to live through a gamma ray burst.
If a gamma ray dangerous enough to kill everyone on a hemisphere hit earth, being in a basement wouldn't save you. Gamma radiation is very persistent, and also if it were such a high amount of gamma radiation it would fry the ozone layer, in which case i'd advise you to stay miles underground for centuries until the ozone layer might have recovered.
So... you're basically saying that we are detecting the death of a star by SNEWS SNEWS
I Hope Ford Prefect Can Get Back in Time To Get A Clean Towel😄
He’ll be fine. He won’t panic.
You MEANT to say "something weird was happening to Betelgeuse 642 years ago, (it's 642.5 lights years away so we're watching what Betelgeuse was doing in the year 1382; it may have exploded a century ago, we just can't know yet).
So the super powerful telescopes in 1382 should have noticed it. Dang slackers of 1382.
It doesn’t matter how far away it is… what matters is what the light that is reaching us shows.
You’re nitpicking
maybe went nova hundreds of years ago 😂
so what?
may be we'll see the explosion TOMORROW
Betelgeuse has the bubble guts 😮 💨
Do we have any idea How long from (SNEWS) detecting neutrinos until we would witness visible supernova explosion? Seconds? Minutes? Hours? More?
Neutrinos would arrive a few milliseconds after the light from the supernova
What about the types of neutrinos being emitted now?
I heard if you say Betelgeuse: not beetlejuice, three times. our star/sun will rapidly grow in mass and go supernova. I wouldn't try it because I like the warmth we have right now, not radioactive microwaving of our planet
As many people have stated it more than likely has already gone supernova, it is 642.5 lightyears away, a paper in 2023 had predicted between 10 and 300 years to deplete its core fuel, therefore the hope is that the light of the supernova reaches us in our life time, and something is weird happening compared to other observed stars of the same size and mass, so just enjoy the cool CGI and hope we get to see it.
when they say it happened at a particular time (jan for example), is that what is happening actually at that moment ... or did it happen x light-years ago and just reaching us in jan?
Beetlefuice began to dim so it came to be known as the great dimming of Beetlejuice… and that’s the best they got? It’s no wonder they went into astronomy, marketing was just not their specialty.
Imagine if by any chance we discover immortality and get to witness all these cosmic events past and future it would be a spectacular display.
I’m now saying it’s due to aliens, but it’s due to aliens.
Come on!, I observed the 1987 supernova event without a telescope. 1987A is my Supernova.
You mean something already happened on Beetlejuice since it takes 650 years for us to see or detect it. It may have gone supernova yesterday but we won’t be alive to witness it.
As far away as it is, it could have already gone supernova centuries ago, but we don't know it yet.
Let's hope it went Super Nova 649 years ago so that we can observe a Super Nova next year in our sky! Observing a Super Nova must be so cool!
Close up Images ? "Betelgeuse / Distance to Earth: 642.5 light years" Hmm . 👀
Just tossing it out there but wouldn’t it be entirely possible that the reason this star dims the way it does could be planets that are still rotating around it but inside it’s up layers? I mean when the sun expands and swallows all the inner rocky planets, it’s still a slow process and the planets would take a considerable amount of time to burn up. The planets would still want to orbit around it.
So if that were the case, then this dimming would be the same as if the planet were outside of it. What we might be seeing are cores of this star’s planets that are still orbiting the star. They are just orbiting the star within its outer layers and when they get on the side facing earth it cause the star to dim.
Of course it’s boiling, it’s a star for gosh sakes! I wouldn’t expect it to be frozen!
Rotation is not measured in miles or kilometer per second, but in angular velocity, rpm or degrees per time. Only flatearthers measure in absolute speed.
Please upload Astronomy events of May
I don't understand why people don't realise that it's in all probability part of the lifecycle of a red giant star, this is why it's dimming and brightening. Like the sun at the centre of the solar system. If anything it needs to be studied and recorded so that we can expand our knowledge of the cosmos.
There are many different estimates of the distance to Betelgeuse. I've seen everything from 450 light years up to 850 light years and they can't really tell because it's surface is unstable. From my point of view I don't care. All I want is for the wavefront of the explosion to get here before I become completely unable to go out and observe it.
My dad has dementia and calls me constantly telling me betelguese is about to explode. He finds stupid shit like this and doesn't know any better.
Thanks!
The last observable Supernova was in 1987 and not 1604 named SN 1987a seen in the large Magellanic cloud. Pictures and story are on Google.
Shouldn’t rotation be measured in degrees instead of kilometers per time unit?
Rotation is actually normally measured in 1/[time unit, preferably second]. However, space is big, and aside from neutron stars and black holes, objects in space tend to rotate quite slowly.
Our planet is spinning faster by 1 sec/ year now. Is there a correlation between the two celestial bodies undergoing similar changes at the same time?
probably not
Vogon so I can enjoy poetry in the native language.
Is it not possible for someone from my local council to "pop over" to Betelgeuse 🌟 to find out what all the fuss is about !?.
Here's the ChatGPT prompt that wrote this script: "Write a script on the recent behavior of the star Betelgeuse. Make it interesting and include several exciting reveals. Add in an ad for Babble in the middle."
Beautiful appraisal 🙏
High Five! 🙏
The Betelgeuse Star Explosion was a much in the News in last Year 2023 and still people talks about it. What is really happening on the Betelgeuse, when it exlode and can we see that with only the Naked Eyes? 💫💥
If we're lucky. I sure Am hoping to get to see the final flashy photons of an uncontrolled fusion reactor, sent breakneck speed this away So Very long ago!! Yes, please!
We'll have to be very, very lucky. I hope I hope I hope...
You certainly will be able to see it with the naked eye. It’s already one of the brightest stars in the sky. When it goes supernova, it will be so bright, you’ll be able to see it during the day for probably a few weeks. At night, it will be as bright as the moon.
Can jwst be used to find the 9th / possible black hole
All this time I thought it was spelled Beetlejuice...
have they calculated the distance of betel with trigonometry?
Yes. The Hipparchos satellite (using the width..the diameter.. of earth's orbit around the sun as a baseline) placed Betelgeuse at a distance of about 724 light-years, or, more accurately, between 613 and 881 light-years, when data uncertainties are included.
@@petergibson2318 this was the new correction of the distance?...the most recent one i heard of? or an old one?...sorry for the question specification but i only trust trigonometry for the distances
I think a star is beyond boiling already 😂
Two options a neutron star or a massive white dwarf! Not enough mass to become a black hole or singularity!! It layer will shed faster then it has to absorb its escaping mass!!
I love the wording close up ? how do you get a close up of an object 700ly away
Was finally explained by the theory....I didn't think theories proved anything!😁
This is once in an lifetime event when Beetlejuice explode to become supernova ❤❤❤
People have really got to stop thinking in such reductionist material terms. With such thinking originating in the era of gaslight and so now, start to catch up to the Natural Philosophers.
We are now in the 21st century of plasma physics and plasma doesn't boil, it discharges in one of three different plasma discharge modes, with stars discharging in PDM 3, arc mode. With the varying electric input from the galactic main body being variable and so giving the differences in luminosity.
New drinking game: take a shot for very time he says Betelgeuse or red super giant
Is it entirely possisble that a star could be trapped within a star? I've pondered the the notion for some time now, especially when it comes to the odd behavour of Betelgeuse.
I just saw the northern lights in Italy, let's hope to be so lucky to be able to see a supernova too.
I contend i have personally witnessed Betelgeuse explode every summer since childhood, all over the windshield!😅
If its spinning faster it iron rich core is being compressed and its field becoming eratic producing more eratic fusion more on one side than the other!
The rotation could be effected by the remnant of a large body (planet or star remnant) continuing to be consumed, inside of the corona.🤷🏻♂️
They can see beejuice “up close” at 650 light years away (6.4 trillion miles x 650) but can’t find the “9th planet” 12 billion miles away.