Fantastic technology and I can't wait for it to trickle down to the rest of the market - the current price of ~$15k for this kit is a little out of my budget!
Very cool video! Those brakes are huge! Question: What happens if you use the pads for carbon ceramics on iron brake rotors? I was at a track day where a gentleman with a Audi TT RS heard noise coming from his brakes. He thought it was weird since he had carbon ceramic brakes and recently serviced them. We pulled off the wheel and the rotor appeared to be iron, and nearly completely eaten away. I wonder if he went into the parts department, got the pads for CMM rotors, then put them on his iron rotors, for whatever reason thinking he had carbon ceramic. (Edit: Looking at the pictures, the rotors were certainly iron and pretty gouged up. The pads appear to have been eaten away, and I'm thinking the pad-backing-plate rivets were eating the rotor.)
He could have been driving race pads on the street. Race pads can totally ruin your rotors in a few hundred miles if they are not brought up to racing temperature. Race pads are mostly metal and require heat to develop a metal oxide transfer film on the surface of the rotor to help protect it. In street driving the brakes, don't get hot enough for the film to form and the aggressive pads quickly eat up the rotor, literally in less than two hundred miles in some cases.
Urine information is always received well but I have to honestly say that the price for carbon ceramic routers is absolutely absurd. It is 3 times what they should cost. And what what we have always done? Is I just take a roller like the ones? I have now. On my GT? R. The J hooks and we have them cryogenically frozen and they last 4 times as long as they do if you don't do this I don't understand why people don't do that it's a simple. Thing to do it only cost a few 100 bucks to do a set of 4. And it's well worth the money because the rotor is gonna last forever. So i'm just not a a fan of the carbon ceramic and neither are several my friends it own g t s.
Hang on - One bit of info is wrong, the OEM calipers are monoblocks (front and rear) and not 2 piece. If it were 2 piece, you'd see bolts joining them and also the centre joint line.
I am going to do this exact setup. I have found the rotors, I know the pads are Brembo, but what model? Any help is appreciated. I searched the numbers that were on the pads when they were showing them, i could not find the pads.
Hi. I just put these CCM front and rear on m6 GT-R. My question is do you have to recalibrate the ABS pump including the brake sensors and pressure valve? The reason im asking this question is due to the brake pedal now is a little lower than before but when I once press the pedal again it goes right on the top.
I could not find any specs on the brakes but they look like the stock diameter but with a larger swept area. This is purely by looking at pictures of them and seeing how big they look in the wheel.
@@motoiq Monoblock refers to the construction - machined out of 1 piece of metal (the metal/aluminum block could be forged - very likely forged). The bridge, that's probably just design to add rigidity.
CCM-R has less ceramic and more carbon in the matrix. I think the GT-R stuff is CCM-R but not 100% sure. I heard the R35 stuff fits on the R34, at least in the front, but never personally tried it. I would suggest googling to see if anyone has done the swap.
Mike, Have to respectfully disagree with you - those OE front calipers definitely look like one-piece (monobloc in Brembo speak) to me. Main difference is that they have removable bridge bolts vs the forged-in bridge on the others. You also can see the small, external brake line, which you wouldn’t see on two-piece calipers.
I got this from a 2019 Japanese Nissan press release which I cant find now. I knew the stock rear brakes were monoblock for sure. Looking at pictures of the stock front calipers I don't see any bolts on the sides either so you are right. The Brembo literature calls calipers with the bridge monoblock but not the bridgeless ones which probably added to my confusion.
does brembo produce these kits for any other cars other than the gtr? and you should also mention somewhere in the video the biggest con over any other con when upgrading to ccm brakes is THE PRICE!! For most everyone, these brakes will cost more than the price/value of your car!
Great video. I have a 2020 wrx Seres white and would love if you could get a set of carbon rotors for the sti, just would be cool. I don’t know if it would be worth it but I think I would love a set, if you could have a set on an sti for 10-12k $ it would be sick. Expensive as-F but sick. Has anyone swapped gtr breaks on an sti? That would mean it could be possible with this set. But it’s oversized for a 3300 lb car. I track my car 4 weekends per year and could see myself getting into wanting these. The factory brembo breaks are great but I’m already wanting 2 pieces rotors and track pads with fluid.
@@motoiq that’s a shame, but there’s no way it’s worth making, the kit would cost 50% the value of a new car. And it is not that heavy. Still would be cool. Thanks for the reply.
there is a big problem with this carbon ceramic brakes, the contact surface of the disc has a thinner line of carbon fiber close to the midle. when the pad toches that carbon it wear diferently. it can actualy be seen on the pad.
Ferrari, McLaren and Aston Martin had that problem on factory brembo brakes. "Brembo Brake Flaw Problem Carbon Ceramic Ferrari, McLaren, Aston Martin" video explain
Well considering that this is a video on putting them on a 2014 GT-R! It basically bolts right on. Just the rear dust shields need to be modded. Check this out!motoiq.com/watch-massive-r35-gt-r-carbon-ceramic-brake-upgrade/
@@motoiq thank you for the reply. great info by the way. expensive. but its not bad after looking at the size of the system. do you know if there is color options for the calipers ?
I honestly watch the videos for this man's wonderful, welcoming, warm, parentally-approving smile.
We all do...
hes good
I know right
The real most interesting man in the world
Lolll
This is literally the first time I've ever seen someone explain how CCM rotors are made. Thank you, Mike!
Thanks for the knowledge Mike. Wish more people were like you in the auto industry.
MIKE! You are so enthusiastic and thank you for your delivery and knowledge.
Fantastic technology and I can't wait for it to trickle down to the rest of the market - the current price of ~$15k for this kit is a little out of my budget!
my 1st car had wheels as big as those rotors! Lol jeez Louise
Can't get enough of this series ! It really helps me get familiar with the R35
The 2020 track edition gtr in canada has the CCM brakes too
Very cool video! Those brakes are huge! Question: What happens if you use the pads for carbon ceramics on iron brake rotors? I was at a track day where a gentleman with a Audi TT RS heard noise coming from his brakes. He thought it was weird since he had carbon ceramic brakes and recently serviced them. We pulled off the wheel and the rotor appeared to be iron, and nearly completely eaten away. I wonder if he went into the parts department, got the pads for CMM rotors, then put them on his iron rotors, for whatever reason thinking he had carbon ceramic. (Edit: Looking at the pictures, the rotors were certainly iron and pretty gouged up. The pads appear to have been eaten away, and I'm thinking the pad-backing-plate rivets were eating the rotor.)
He could have been driving race pads on the street. Race pads can totally ruin your rotors in a few hundred miles if they are not brought up to racing temperature. Race pads are mostly metal and require heat to develop a metal oxide transfer film on the surface of the rotor to help protect it. In street driving the brakes, don't get hot enough for the film to form and the aggressive pads quickly eat up the rotor, literally in less than two hundred miles in some cases.
Rotors are massive. Half his chest
Who needs a house down payment when you can have better gtr brakes
Urine information is always received well but I have to honestly say that the price for carbon ceramic routers is absolutely absurd. It is 3 times what they should cost. And what what we have always done? Is I just take a roller like the ones? I have now. On my GT? R. The J hooks and we have them cryogenically frozen and they last 4 times as long as they do if you don't do this I don't understand why people don't do that it's a simple. Thing to do it only cost a few 100 bucks to do a set of 4. And it's well worth the money because the rotor is gonna last forever. So i'm just not a a fan of the carbon ceramic and neither are several my friends it own g t s.
RacingBrake offers an aftermarket CCM kit for the R35 that is 410/390mm front to rear, although they are not monoblock calipers.
The annulus seems more narrow on these with less swept area than the Nismo brakes. We do like RB's stuff though and they probably work well.
Knowledge, lost of knowledge .
Hi Mike.
Those rotors are both absurdly cool and massive. And Mike is the man.
Brakes bigger than my guy here lol
I would have actually listened at school if Mike was teaching.
He looks like hes trying to give a serious face expression but hes just in too good of a mood lmao
That G20 in the background is SICK :)
I think those brakes cost more than my entire track car!
Hang on - One bit of info is wrong, the OEM calipers are monoblocks (front and rear) and not 2 piece. If it were 2 piece, you'd see bolts joining them and also the centre joint line.
ahahhah - you're gonna get hammered on the monoblock - just seen a few comments.. hahah... great vid though.
Yeah you are right. I got messed up by Brembo's marketing terminology.
Thanks for the video Mike, I always learn something.
16-37 pounds, i think its more than 40 pound difference for all 4 rotors 🤔
It is
i Smashed that like button! shared and commented for the algorithm !
I am going to do this exact setup. I have found the rotors, I know the pads are Brembo, but what model? Any help is appreciated. I searched the numbers that were on the pads when they were showing them, i could not find the pads.
Any one for carbon ceramic rotors. The Nissan dealer to make it easy.
Here is a great video link for how the CCB rotors are made.
ua-cam.com/video/CAsafGWlSzI/v-deo.html
How does this not have 100k views minimum?
One of my favorite features on the tspec. Serious stopping power.
Hi. I just put these CCM front and rear on m6 GT-R. My question is do you have to recalibrate the ABS pump including the brake sensors and pressure valve? The reason im asking this question is due to the brake pedal now is a little lower than before but when I once press the pedal again it goes right on the top.
I think you might have gotten air into the system. If you get air in the abs valve, it takes a lot of bleeding to get it out.
to me this is very interesting, but I feel like to torture my girlfriend with it
I have a C8 Corvette, non Z51 , can CCM rotors be made for C8 Stingray, if so how much
You can get the optional ones right from GM for pretty cheap.
I have a C8 70th Anniversary Corvette 2023 , am I able to get carbon ceramic rotors for my car , if so where
From the Z06
Very informative and well done video
Love these in depth videos Mike. What are the difference between these and Spec V CCBs they initially offered
I could not find any specs on the brakes but they look like the stock diameter but with a larger swept area. This is purely by looking at pictures of them and seeing how big they look in the wheel.
that kit right there is goals fr!
Need that new quarter mile run!! Seriously my jaw dropped when I saw that horsepower number
Love that Primera P10 you can see behind Mike. I had four different Primeras over the years. Amazing cars.
The stock calipers don't look 2-piece to me
You are right they are one piece without a bridge. Brembo calls the bridged calipers monoblock and it screwed me up.
@@motoiq Monoblock refers to the construction - machined out of 1 piece of metal (the metal/aluminum block could be forged - very likely forged). The bridge, that's probably just design to add rigidity.
Stock r35 calipers also have fancy titanium pistons. They are very good calipers in their own right
Hy there ✌🏼
From France with passion and respect ⚜️🇨🇵😎
Awesome video! Do these calipers require spacers or mounting adapters? or do do these bolt directly to factory mounting points of CBA or DBA GTRs?
Yes they do
@@motoiq so they require spacers/adapters? Thank you :) I wasn't able to find any info on the kit contents and install procedure
No
Tuner Cherub always has the inside information.
What an angel.
What happened to your Trigger IQ channel? Great video. I can only imagine the price tag of that BBK
Super nice .
But they brake good on cool to?
Yes they do
super chill guy
There needs to be a motoriq in every state, let’s make it happen
Let’s not cheapen the experience.
@@RadDadisRad More money for them and better for customers, how is that bad?
He's so happy
Hi. Are these CCM brake kit will be compatible for a 2010 CBA GT-R? Thanks. Great video.
Yes, if you want to buy these brakes they will be available soon, I am selling them!
Do you need to replace the wheel hubs?
No
I like how he’s not talking to the camera. Camera is always offset.
I could listen to this guy talk for days about carbon.
0:20 ...is that it looks exactly the same after over a decade..
So what is CCM-R then? Is such an upgrade available, and if so, theoretically, does it also fit to the R34?
CCM-R has less ceramic and more carbon in the matrix. I think the GT-R stuff is CCM-R but not 100% sure. I heard the R35 stuff fits on the R34, at least in the front, but never personally tried it. I would suggest googling to see if anyone has done the swap.
$23.5k
The 2021 track also comes with the CC brakes. Not just the Nismo car.
When we shot the video, it was before that was an option in the USA.
@@motoiq Mike, check your shop emails I sent you a message. -Zo
which email? I don't see it.
Is the fluid dot4, dot5 or dot5.1? Wondering cause if it's dot4 compatible I migh use it in my motorcycle
Endless isnt clear about it but we believe it's DOT4 with a DOT 5 temp rating.
Mike, Have to respectfully disagree with you - those OE front calipers definitely look like one-piece (monobloc in Brembo speak) to me. Main difference is that they have removable bridge bolts vs the forged-in bridge on the others. You also can see the small, external brake line, which you wouldn’t see on two-piece calipers.
I got this from a 2019 Japanese Nissan press release which I cant find now. I knew the stock rear brakes were monoblock for sure. Looking at pictures of the stock front calipers I don't see any bolts on the sides either so you are right. The Brembo literature calls calipers with the bridge monoblock but not the bridgeless ones which probably added to my confusion.
I swore that the GTR OEM calipers were mono block. I didn’t see and bolts holding it together.
Actually, you are right and Brembo's literature and an older Nissan google translated Japanese press release messed me up.
does brembo produce these kits for any other cars other than the gtr? and you should also mention somewhere in the video the biggest con over any other con when upgrading to ccm brakes is THE PRICE!! For most everyone, these brakes will cost more than the price/value of your car!
No they don't really have a CCM big brake upgrade kit and we do talk about the price in the video!
Great video! Do you have to replace the hubs on all wheels front and rear? I have a 2010 CBA
No they are a direct bolt in.
Learn something new every day
Great Video!! What is the name of the company that re-carbonizes the brake rotors called? Thanks again!
www.rebrake.de/en/refurbishment/
But how loud are they?,
not at all
Great video. I have a 2020 wrx Seres white and would love if you could get a set of carbon rotors for the sti, just would be cool. I don’t know if it would be worth it but I think I would love a set, if you could have a set on an sti for 10-12k $ it would be sick. Expensive as-F but sick. Has anyone swapped gtr breaks on an sti? That would mean it could be possible with this set. But it’s oversized for a 3300 lb car. I track my car 4 weekends per year and could see myself getting into wanting these. The factory brembo breaks are great but I’m already wanting 2 pieces rotors and track pads with fluid.
No one reputable to our knowledge makes a CCM conversion for the STI
@@motoiq that’s a shame, but there’s no way it’s worth making, the kit would cost 50% the value of a new car. And it is not that heavy. Still would be cool. Thanks for the reply.
How does this OE Brembo CCM from GTR Nismo compare to Endless new CCM dedicated kit for the R35 GTR?
The Endless kit is nearly $50,000 with smaller rotors.
@@motoiq I wonder how much is the OE Brembo CCM setup? Half the cost? Or $40000? And the Spec V OE CCM version Not sure if it's still available?
Can you buy this kit from Nissan directly?
Yes
I have a 350 mm Brembo braking system, can I mount the carbon ceramic discs without replacing the calipers? lancer evo x
It will require fabrication of a bracket, hat, special brake pads and finding a CCM rotor of the right size. A Z06 one might be a good starting point.
@@motoiq thank you very much for your kind reply
Love your honesty Mike
Hey Mike, Do you guys ever swap out the caliper bleed screws for Speedbleeders for quick brake bleeding at the track?
Now days with better fluids and brakes, we find that this isn't needed that much.
@@motoiq thank you for your reply!
Thanks for the good tech details!
there is a big problem with this carbon ceramic brakes, the contact surface of the disc has a thinner line of carbon fiber close to the midle. when the pad toches that carbon it wear diferently. it can actualy be seen on the pad.
Not on the OEM Brembo system
Ferrari, McLaren and Aston Martin had that problem on factory brembo brakes.
"Brembo Brake Flaw Problem Carbon Ceramic Ferrari, McLaren, Aston Martin" video explain
Better than TV.
Great review and tutorial
Massive is an understatement!
Awesome
Awesome as usual
Great video! What is needed to do fit these on the 2014 GTR?
Well considering that this is a video on putting them on a 2014 GT-R! It basically bolts right on. Just the rear dust shields need to be modded. Check this out!motoiq.com/watch-massive-r35-gt-r-carbon-ceramic-brake-upgrade/
@@motoiq thank you for replying. That’s great that you can just bolt these on. I was thinking that some spacers would be needed to clear the caliper.
Is the brake bedding process any different with ccm rotors and pads?
It doesn't need extensive bedding, just some easy driving to burnish them in at first. Then they are good to go.
@@motoiq Unless your rotors come with matching pads (pre-bedded from the factory), they will need extensive bedding for optimal performance.
@@gearheadrd5263 That's not true if you have the proper pads.
can anyone post a link for this kit. thanks
Can be gotten from Nissan.
@@motoiq thank you for the reply. great info by the way. expensive. but its not bad after looking at the size of the system. do you know if there is color options for the calipers ?
"sublimates" not "subliminates"