i know he is an incredible talent that has much to discover and mature. i honetsly don't know why people criticize him so much. sure he doesn't interpret certain things the way we'd like but he is able to play anything in any way, his interpretations will either be adjusted for the public over time or accepted by the public over time. maturity is the key.
I'm currently an architecture student, and one important thing I've learned in my training is that when it comes to style, art, nothing is ever "wrong" or "bad" if you have a conscious reason for doing what you do. I think the same applies to music. If the artist has a conscious interpretation and a control, you may disagree with that interpretation, but it is deserving of respect.
Really?? What if I have a "conscious reason" to change what Beethoven wrote. Let's say I have reason to change the opening notes of Beethoven 5th symphony to G# G# G# E. Why? because G G G Eb annoys me terribly. I lose sleep thinking about such awful notes. That's OK with you? Architecture ("frozen music") is a bit different when one is creating a building. A building is not brought to life by others (interpreted) - once it has been built it is up there no matter how we think of it. A piece of music is quite different - it requires others to construct it and put it up on the block. Perhaps that's what you meant?
@curiousassortment Sure, go ahead and change the notes if you want to. What's the harm? Of course, others may not want to listen to your version. Thanks for a laugh by the way. I wrote this twelve years ago, apparently, at a very different time in my life. I have since completed architecture school, practiced for six years and have now returned to school for a different career.
@sashkoo89 There are 2 people in our brain when we play the piano. One is the scientist, who thinks "This should be played louder, smaller, faster, slower". The other is the artist, who plays by heart and plays freely emotionally.
Instead of fighting to decide who's better, why don't you take your own conclusions and enjoy the music? Both Kempff and Barenboim are awesome musicians.
I don't know why it is that some pianists (including Barenboim) omit one of the the little F/trill-E motif repetitions at m.46 (1:51), miscounting the number of repetitions. I suspect here it's just a performance mistake due to nerves or something because he plays it correctly later on when it's in the tonic key.
Lol. People always engaged in such silly debates about which performance is "better". I wouldn't dare say "better," but my I prefer the interpretation of Idil Biret on this sonata, and she was a student of Kempff and worked on the sonatas with him. She is the only one, I feel, that does the second movement justice, as well as the third.
@feanor22 No don't nor do. The thinking comes up to the mind naturally without being censored. We, everyone enjoys the music, and each has different thought in mind.
tempest sonata is not op 32 n 2 but op 31 n 2, sonata 17. title is wrong and the piece played in this video until 1:12 is not 3rd moviment of sonata tempest, but 2nd.
@sashkoo89 i'm pretty sure if he DID go out on an exam with this one (though i don't see any possible circumstance where he would have to do that), he would play it the way the judges or examiners would want to hear it, but i do prefer kempff's version of it this piece
@umbyronco85 yes its true if you compare he than ladygaga, i think lady gaga earn more with a single, but he spoke about " economic crisis , i don't know if he can spoke about it.
I can play this too, but claiming that you can play this better than a professional pianist who has dedicated their life to mastering piano is absolutely ridiculous
Especially barenboim who learned all 32 beethoven sonata never understood why he recieves so much hate hes my second favorite pianist right behind murray periaha
Kempff's version is way more passionate and more flowing than Barenboim's. There is still something I like in this one though. I think it is the impetuosity.
@sashkoo89 Well......if music is only limited by stiff and meaningless rules and loses its intrinsic meaning of touching people and as an auditory art.......what is left then?
The best Beethoven sonta 17th the tempest 1.Gilels 2.Kempff 3.Maria Grinberg 4.Richter 5.Gould 6.Byron Janis Both Barenboim and Grigory Sokolov plays this a finale too slow tempo.You are correct the flow is missing with Barenboim
@mrpolaroid123 It never ceases to amaze me what idiots comment on piano videos. I merely said I /preferred/ it to be played a certain way. Jesus Christ. You people will pick any comment that you don't agree with apart and always say the same things..."so and so is the greatest and no one can touch them..." "did you hear the composer himself play it?" I never said anything about it /having/ to be played a certain way. People with their straw men never cease to amaze me.
@mrpolaroid123 That doesn't make me a hypocrite. I said your statement was wrong, not the interpretation or a certain preference was wrong. Someone should work on their reading comprehension skills.
Barenboim can play the piano quite well, but just listen to any masterclass that he does. His manner is intimidating, and he is often condescending to the participants. He is not encouraging at all.
Seriously this is in no way can be compared with Kamff. And I spent 2 hours watching him giving a masterclass on this piece. What a waste of time lllll
i know he is an incredible talent that has much to discover and mature. i honetsly don't know why people criticize him so much. sure he doesn't interpret certain things the way we'd like but he is able to play anything in any way, his interpretations will either be adjusted for the public over time or accepted by the public over time. maturity is the key.
I'm currently an architecture student, and one important thing I've learned in my training is that when it comes to style, art, nothing is ever "wrong" or "bad" if you have a conscious reason for doing what you do. I think the same applies to music. If the artist has a conscious interpretation and a control, you may disagree with that interpretation, but it is deserving of respect.
Right. Are you now an architect?
Really?? What if I have a "conscious reason" to change what Beethoven wrote. Let's say I have reason to change the opening notes of Beethoven 5th symphony to G# G# G# E. Why? because G G G Eb annoys me terribly. I lose sleep thinking about such awful notes. That's OK with you? Architecture ("frozen music") is a bit different when one is creating a building. A building is not brought to life by others (interpreted) - once it has been built it is up there no matter how we think of it. A piece of music is quite different - it requires others to construct it and put it up on the block. Perhaps that's what you meant?
@curiousassortment Sure, go ahead and change the notes if you want to. What's the harm? Of course, others may not want to listen to your version.
Thanks for a laugh by the way. I wrote this twelve years ago, apparently, at a very different time in my life. I have since completed architecture school, practiced for six years and have now returned to school for a different career.
@@arbierstein Glad we could laugh at this.
CHE GRANDE PADRONANZA DI SE QUANTO E CHIARISSIMO PER IL SPETTATORE IL SUO MESSAGGIO ARTISTICO.......BELLISSIMO...
Bravissimo Maestro Daniel Barenboim !!!!!
I LIKE HIM, he has a great talent and he was one of Lang Lang's teacher!! So this is one more reason to tell he's incredible!!
I've always loved how this piece ends.
It ends peacefully
Bravo. love the tempest sonata. Just ordered the dvd which contains all the Beethoven sonatas by Barenboim. Can't wait till it arrives.
omg listen to that 3rd mov.!! a swiss timer, those notes so clear...respect
I like how he highlights the form by returning to his original tempo on each refrain.
Gracias maestro Baremboim.!!!Siempre maravilloso!!!
@sashkoo89 There are 2 people in our brain when we play the piano. One is the scientist, who thinks "This should be played louder, smaller, faster, slower". The other is the artist, who plays by heart and plays freely emotionally.
i thought this meant to be played much faster, but i think this speed works just as great
wonderful *_*
bardzo swietnie!!!!!!
7:58 wauwww I felt that
1:09
Instead of fighting to decide who's better, why don't you take your own conclusions and enjoy the music?
Both Kempff and Barenboim are awesome musicians.
Great
he's Barenboim!
I don't know why it is that some pianists (including Barenboim) omit one of the the little F/trill-E motif repetitions at m.46 (1:51), miscounting the number of repetitions. I suspect here it's just a performance mistake due to nerves or something because he plays it correctly later on when it's in the tonic key.
amazing.
I can not imagine how Beethoven came to conceive of such notes
Lol. People always engaged in such silly debates about which performance is "better". I wouldn't dare say "better," but my I prefer the interpretation of Idil Biret on this sonata, and she was a student of Kempff and worked on the sonatas with him. She is the only one, I feel, that does the second movement justice, as well as the third.
@feanor22
No don't nor do.
The thinking comes up to the mind naturally without being censored.
We, everyone enjoys the music, and each has different thought in mind.
tempest sonata is not op 32 n 2 but op 31 n 2, sonata 17. title is wrong and the piece played in this video until 1:12 is not 3rd moviment of sonata tempest, but 2nd.
@mrpolaroid123 Wrong. Especially when it comes to certain eras of music, and the annotations as well as the intentions of the composer.
@sashkoo89 i'm pretty sure if he DID go out on an exam with this one (though i don't see any possible circumstance where he would have to do that), he would play it the way the judges or examiners would want to hear it, but i do prefer kempff's version of it this piece
@mrpolaroid123 ad populum?
1:10
@umbyronco85 yes its true if you compare he than ladygaga, i think lady gaga earn more with a single, but he spoke about " economic crisis , i don't know if he can spoke about it.
I can play this too, but claiming that you can play this better than a professional pianist who has dedicated their life to mastering piano is absolutely ridiculous
Especially barenboim who learned all 32 beethoven sonata never understood why he recieves so much hate hes my second favorite pianist right behind murray periaha
And hes pretty dam good for 84
80.000 euros the price of Baremboim at the first of SCALA DI MILANO. O.o
Kempff's version is way more passionate and more flowing than Barenboim's. There is still something I like in this one though. I think it is the impetuosity.
I disagree generally i do like kempff slightly more then barenboim this one i just loved butcto each there own
@sashkoo89 Well......if music is only limited by stiff and meaningless rules and loses its intrinsic meaning of touching people and as an auditory art.......what is left then?
The best Beethoven sonta 17th the tempest 1.Gilels 2.Kempff 3.Maria Grinberg 4.Richter 5.Gould 6.Byron Janis Both Barenboim and Grigory Sokolov plays this a finale too slow tempo.You are correct the flow is missing with Barenboim
@mrpolaroid123 It never ceases to amaze me what idiots comment on piano videos. I merely said I /preferred/ it to be played a certain way. Jesus Christ. You people will pick any comment that you don't agree with apart and always say the same things..."so and so is the greatest and no one can touch them..." "did you hear the composer himself play it?" I never said anything about it /having/ to be played a certain way. People with their straw men never cease to amaze me.
Kempff's version is so much better. So much more flowing and lyrical and and passionate otherwordly.
why does he play so jerky?Like at 7:40. Like technique is getting in the way of Rhythmic playing? Or is it his way or trying to be musical?
Kempff*
@mrpolaroid123 That doesn't make me a hypocrite. I said your statement was wrong, not the interpretation or a certain preference was wrong. Someone should work on their reading comprehension skills.
quite sure a sweatdrop.
that's not sth like Hammerklavier 3rd mov anyway.
sometimes people take these interpretations and preferences too literally and end up saying stupid things like "Lang Lang is a clown"
32 no 2 is not tempest sonata
its 31 no 2
read what I replied to.
Bloom effect? The music is radiant as it is... silly editing.
Barenboim can play the piano quite well, but just listen to any masterclass that he does. His manner is intimidating, and he is often condescending to the participants. He is not encouraging at all.
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he is LOL.
Seriously this is in no way can be compared with Kamff. And I spent 2 hours watching him giving a masterclass on this piece. What a waste of time lllll
not the best interpretation.