It is the quality of the D/C within your Hi-Fi units that matters, and that is the function of a good power supply within those units, which is there to iron out any wall outlet irregularities. In addition, the large smoothing capacitors act as a stable reservoir to supply a low impedance D/C supply, which protects against voltage droop when loud audio transients take place. A power regenerator produces an excellent result in terms of a good 60hz sine wave output from a bad A/C wall outlet, and by the same token, your amplifier can produce an excellent result from the same bad A/C wall outlet.
Well, it is not that easy at all. AC to our homes come with lots of noises, distortions and also residual DC current (more and more these days). Residual DC can cause occasional "buzzing" in the system because toroidal power transformers have very low DC resistance at their inputs and any DC input present will cause very high currents to occur. I recommend reading article "Dirty AC Power: Getting It Out of Your (Audio/Video) System" by Roger Sheker for better understanding. Or maybe Paul will explain in some future video what Power Plant actually do and how just transformers and capacitors cannot get rid of all the "dirt" in AC line.
Hi, it´s Michal from Prague. Thanks so much for the explanation. I should have known that you guys will implement proof of the mains output quality into the Power Plant itself :)
Designers os quality audio equipment are well aware of shortcomings in mains supplies and design power supplies to handle any issues. If your system sounds better with a Power Plant then you have either very dirty mains or poorly designed/faulty equipment.
Audio Science Review measured THD+N and a few other tests on various amplifiers with and without the PS Audio regenerator and found no difference with and without it , Amir then fed the amplifiers a really distorted and noisy sinewave and once again the THD+N and his other measurements did not change. I was not surprised by this as the input to the power transformer on a Carver "magnetic field coil " amplifier is a chopped and nasty looking partial sine wave out of a triac that keeps his voltage rails constant regardless of load which tells me the input line sine wave does not make any measurable or audible difference on a good amplifier.
Well, that is simply not true. Go have another look. It is why we build in a THD analyzer and scope. So people can see the truth. Bear in mind, the changes are limited to 1kHz and below.
Paul, my comment was in regards to what appears to be misleading commenters. Will you be comprehensively testing performance at 1khz and far above and publishing those results? Also, I am quite curious to have the opportunity to retest with some additional chassis benefits to see if far greater benefits could result. Wishing the Best. Thank You.
@@davidcross890 The regulation and lowering of distortion is limited to 1kHz and below. So, no, we won't be raising that higher as there would be no benefit. We publish now, on the website, the unit's specs and, as I mentioned, we build in to every unit its own THD analyzer and scope so you can check yourself.
Amir from audioscience did measurements and published them. Unfortunately Paul is not doing the same. I like Paul but his power plants don't add anything to better sound.
Amir measured the noise and totally misunderstood the reasons why the Power Plant is valuable. It's the tight voltage regulation under dynamic conditions that makes it valuable for what it does. Had he known that and measured that, it would have been a different story. Seems sometimes like Amir is more interested in poking fun at stuff than understanding its purpose, but then that's ok.
@@octaverecordsanddsdstudios1285 -- Don't PS Audio products include adequately "tight voltage regulation" for all the DC rails supplying their audio circuitry? If they do, why would regulating the incoming AC mains voltage be advantageous?
@@editorjuno Our low level products do, of course. Not power amps. Power amps are almost never regulated (their output stages). Moreover, one of the benefits of tight regulation of the voltage is the lowering of impedance - essentially shortening the length of wire connecting your system to the mains. Impedance is reduced by a factor of about 100.
@@octaverecordsanddsdstudios1285 -- Pardon me, but that sounds absurd. That "length of wire connecting your system to the mains" -- the AC cord-- is only the last meter or so of a circuit likely to include anywhere from 10-100 times that length stretching from the outlet to the service panel over ordinary 12 or 14 AWG Romex or some such -- not to mention the additional cabling out to the nearest pole-mounted step-down transformer. If rigorously regulated DC to an amplifier's output stage is all that beneficial to SQ, why not build the necessary regulation into the amp itself? If I were the customer, I'd resent shelling out $65k for a pair of your wondrous and already ponderous BHK mono power amps only to be told I need another device with a hefty 4-figure price tag in order to overcome a missing, aurally significant power supply capability.
@@editorjuno Well, understood, Bruce but welcome to the world of high-performance audio. Couple of points to consider. Regulating the output stage of a big power amp would likely double the price of the power amp. It isn't as easy as it sounds. Secondly, the only way to lower impedance as I mentioned is by active means and that is, unfortunately, just expensive.
My friend has one and it made no difference. He even admitted it makes no difference and he's keeping it just on the fact that it looks cool LOL. It's snake oil at its finest
It also depends on your amp and it’s power demand. For some it makes no to little difference for others it makes audible difference. Clean power may or may not be heard through your amp and dac. Just depends on it’s design. That is why some people say it works great while some say it makes no difference.
@@flargosa the proof in the pudding is listening to it. You are speaking very vaguely and broadly. In 2023 there is a plethora of Hi-Fi products that have extremely good Distortion levels and have a black background. If you had to put a number on it how many serious manufacturers and long-living manufacturers do you think our noisy? In my thirty years of dabbling in audio it's barely anybody nowadays.
@@ryanschipp8513 It also depends on the quality of your home power. If your home power quality has issues then a good measuring audio equipment might not sound the same with your home power. If your home power is already good then power regen might make little to no difference
If it is only a magnitude better/improvement, you should use a (fully passive) ringing choke transformer. Does a fantastic job in regenerating the AC and has a fantastic mains transient suppression.
@@UfukDirim proof that they literally pull these "letters" out of their A$$ in order to sell products. Just like the police will investigate themselves and find no wrong doing. PS Fraudio will include a screen that tells you exactly what they want you to see. So very nice of them and humanitarian and vegan and rainbow colored. Remember, the so-called "question" was, "have you got oscilloscope measurements to show us" and his answer was "well, yes" but all he did was point to a black screen that has been proven to be nothing more than a graphic art piece. Just ask Amir over at Audio Science Review. This is, in my estimation and opinion, thousands of dollars worth of door stop and just another big pair of handles to look impressive in the home of people with more money than sense. 👍
Dumb question, but doesn't your amplifier do this on its own from the way with its own capacitors etc? Also, isn't it current delivery that is also important? Sure, P20 has 2000 watts available but both watts and amps are getting pulled by things pulled into this - not so relevant maybe for a cd player but an amplifier plugged into this wants both no...and potentially in huge supply?
I am using the power plant 3, it does not solve the "DC on the mains" issue coming off the wall, I am still hearing random buzz noise off the PP3, how does PS Audio PP address such Dc leakage problems ?
@@EricBurbeck I have all the system power cable connect to the PP3 and PP3 to wall, 2 other wall sockets are empty not connected to anything. Will there still be ground loop issues ?
I've seen big bands touring the world playing live using equipment like this, not because it's Always needed, but sometimes it is. I've even seen some houses with bad enough wiring to make the light flicker when you crank the stereo. 😂 Too much money for me though...
What live sound setups typically do today is to have UPS units on all there digital gear, especially the mix consoles. The reason is that unlike older analog gear, digital products often have a reboot time. Consoles today also have operating systems, Windows, MAC, Linux, and we all know how long that takes to boot up. Can't afford even a glitch that would cause a reboot. Their power amps though are usually direct fed.
@@andydelle4509 I'm not sure how many that's using it, but I know some have shown it on rig rundown. I'm not sure if they are exactly the same either, but it's because the electric supply isn't always perfect. 🙂 Computers and glitches can be a nightmare, let's hope they have back up in airplanes as well. 🙈😂
Paul why do you continue to spew marketing terms, instead of simply doing some precise measurements to show the “perfect sine wave”? They’ve been done by audio science reviews and shows absolutely no difference to sine wave nor AC quality, if anything it’s worse.
It's hardly "worse" and definitely better. That's why we build in a THD analyzer as well as a scope on the front panel of our bigger models. Audio Science missed the whole point of the Power Plant somehow thinking it was like a power conditioner designed to filter noise. It is not. It is a dynamic voltage regulator that produces a new sine wave that is low distortion and tightly regulated.
Yeah, it "produces a new sine wave that is low distortion and tightly regulated" -- which has zero effect on the DC output of a *properly* *designed* amplifier's power supply and, absent confirmation bias, no audible benefit.
"No difference" is simply not true. The powerplant had a more uniform sinewave than the AC mains and the powerplant had lower distortion than AC mains, per the ASR review.
The audio improvement by using one of Paul’s power plants is amazing. The biggest effect it gives you is a completely black background. And I have done an A B test. System sounds kind of flat, without the power plant. I will always have one in my system going forward.
At the end of the day, that is what counts. I got the same report from someone in the DIY community whose hearing skills I respect. If power cables and dedicated lines can improve sound, I suspect the power plant has the potential to be significant. Do you still see a difference in power cables between the power plant and your electronics?
I beg to differ. My friend has one and we also did blind testing and it made no difference. Also I've got three rigs at home with no power plant in any of them and they all have an absolute black background. All you're doing is trying to justify your purchase
@@ryanschipp8513 Equally interesting. I conclude its useful in some circumstances. Let's hope they have a trial period no question return. But no justification here. I don't use them, just interested from the sidelines.
An A B test shows nothing. You’re imagining these differences, I suggest you do a doubleBLIND test and record yourself if you can tell the difference 9/10 times. A whole suite of precise measurements has shown ps audio’s powerplants do nothing for AC quality.
@@ryanschipp8513 I agree Ryan. I've looked at the ac sine wave coming out of the wall on a scope and it looked perfect. Any imperfections or distortions would be smoothed out by the filtering capacitors in the power supplies of your audio equipment. This ac regeneration reminds me of the overpriced silver speaker wires and the overpriced interconnects etc.
Power Plant 20 was the last piece I put into my rig so after listening to the FR30 with Playback Designs chain or Clearaudio Vinyl I did know the sound of my rig very well. I can honestly say that the PP20 did make a huge difference, can think of another piece in the rig making such a big difference after adding. I didn´t expect much when we tested this but even in the first song I could hear what this thing does. The vocals or the ghostcenter was simply so much bigger then before and everything sounded more clear, not in a analytical way, the famous curtain was removed. I didn´t expect that to happen because that curtain already did fall when my Playback Designs Dac was broken-in but there is always another curtain which you cant see/hear I guess. I would always buy the PP20 and the FR30 again, I only did choose Playback Designs MPD-8 & MPT-8 for digital source and Jeff Rowland Capri 2 & 625 S2 amp combo, did find those 2 brands doing better as psaudio. Being the best in everything isn´t easy I guess
@@ryanschipp8513 ? What do you want to say with that? A product is only great if nobody ever wants to sell it? I would not sell mine ever. I would first sell some cables, after that Transport, preAmp, Amp and look for cheaper stuff before getting to that powerplant. Only my DAC and the speakers are above the PP20
@@77MovieFan That's just absurd. The way Paul talks about it he acts as if it was sent from the heavens. Based on that no one should ever want to sell one. You obviously haven't done any double blind AB testing. The first song you heard you made a huge difference? That's called placebo effect. Just because something was new in the system your mind wants you to think something sounds different.
@@ryanschipp8513 so you know my system and listening experience better as myself, interesting I had ~800hrs to listen to my system, learning what it does, how it sounds with all my fave songs. Even on that same evening when my Dealer and friend integrated his PP20 i could hear clearly what that component changed, we did listen another 3 hrs and i liked the bigger vocal image infront of me and the clarity so what are you talking about? I didnt expect that this machine could better the sound at all but it did, sadly for my money but good for overall sound of my rig. He removed it and it clearly was noticeable that the vocals or ghostspeaker was smaller again, bit less bass, loss in clarity. Ordered it directly after, had to wait 3 month... When it came i did let it burn-in and now i'm totally happy with it
@@77MovieFan my friend has a power plant and it makes no difference in a system. We tested it. It's snake oil. Obviously you were just trying to justify your purchase and are probably a PS audio fan.
Paul, you can use all the fancy jargon you want but there is no doubt the power regenerators are snake oil. My good friend Jason bought one and we listened with it in the signal path and not in the signal path. Absolutely no difference in sound. And my friend admitted it makes no difference buddy decided to keep it since it looks cool LOL. How can you sleep at night selling these things?
I bought one and it made a huge difference. Stopped a hum from My speakers. Plugged them direct into the wall and it was back. So yeah they do make a difference, but if you’ve got perfectly clean power, then it wouldn’t make much, if any difference. I still think it’s worth getting the cheapest one though to plug in everything except big amps jist for clean cable management
@@ryanschipp8513 I did. Power conditioner didn’t do much. It’s nice though so I kept it to plug TV etc into. And I have the P3 regenerator, the smallest one, which isn’t that expensive
@@ryanschipp8513 well if you can rid of hum and noise from the speakers, then I can see how it might affect the overall sound quality resulting in better imaging, clarity, bass and all that. I know that when I got a cheap LPS for my project tube phono stage it was a massive improvement over the standard power supply. Even had my wife swap them over for me and I was able to pick it every time. So yeah I think power definitely matters
And lets be clear on the scope measurements as well. What we want to see are A/B scope measurements of an audio device on it's analog output. IOW, an amp's speaker output, A DAC's analog output. The PS Power Plant does clean up the AC power sinewave and lower it's distortion. Just measuring the Power Plant AC output will show a marked improvement. But does that matter? We want to see the effects on the audio signal.
It is just a search at UA-cam away! ASR have measured it, together with many doubtful products. Audioquest has several of these products. But I always prefer listening at home, if I try new products.
Yeah digital scope that's not the same as analogue lol depends where you're measuring it from are you measuring it from the output sockets? just get an isolation transformer pushing out 130 volts and then there's no issue
Is there a difference in the quality of the output between the Power Plant 3, 12, 15, and 20 or just the total number of outlets? If I only need six outlets, is there any reason for me to think about anything beyond the Power Plant 3?
One would think there shouldn't be, but the sound quality isn't the same, the larger models allow for a bigger, more dynamic sound (as if someone took their foot off the garden hose). It's probably got more to do with the regulation (a stable low-impedance source) than the "cleanliness" (the lower distortion) of the AC. I'm not even sure the distortion is all that important apart from the flat-topping, since a well-designed power supply in the components connected to such a device is going to convert it to DC anyways. The larger models may seem like overkill, but listening to the difference, that in itself appears to be the point of the matter. Because on the face of it, using a regenerator doesn't seem to make much sense. Try to get a demo: maybe you're lucky and it doesn't make a difference sonically, and you'll save money. I've heard systems in which the difference was small, and ones where it was such that it seemed to make the price of the regenerator reasonable to non-audiophiles. I personally wouldn't buy one blind without demo.
The more ignorant people are, the more they are sure of their convictions, especially as regards audio. And especially where to admit a contrary view might lead to spending money. The PS Audio power plants do what they claim to do. If used intelligently they can improve the listening experience. The key word is “intelligently”.
I am bored with my life. I have thousands of dollars to spend to help solve my boredom issue, at least temporarily. 🤔 What should I buy to make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. 🤔
"I am bored with my life. I have thousands of dollars to spend to help solve my boredom issue, at least temporarily. 🤔 What should I buy to make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. 🤔" @David from America: You can't afford it, and you are envious of those that can. And so you illicit admiration from like-minded viewers, under the guise of invoking BS reasons that the product serves. I do not own an electrical re-generator. I wish I did. But I do not trash excellence in engineering, because the product is out of my financial reach. In fact, I praise the brilliant people for their accomplishments, and I am happy for the people that can enjoy the product. Bashing quality products will not turn your envy and your misery into joy. Perhaps for a moment when some other envy-troll joins your crying session. But then it is right back to real life where your envy controls your life.
@@NoEgg4u A re-generator is totally unnecessary for stereo systems, just like the outrageously priced silver speaker wires and the outrageously priced interconnects etc. In case you don't know, Paul is a businessman and a salesman. He is trying to make lots of money for his business by selling his overpriced and unnecessary equipment. Dinna fall for it.
It's basically acting as a UPS without battery backup, it's taking mains voltage charging up bunch of capacitors (that are low capacity batteries), and then converting it back into mains voltage but regulated so regardless the input voltage & sinewave it'll always be perfect on the output. So, basically giant UPS without battery backup feature. Nowadays, anyone can get cheap UPS that will clean up a noisy sinewave,be battery backed up, and also display all the ins and outs of everything without looking at the unit.
@@davidfromamerica1871 We hear what we want to hear and the more we spend the more we feel it sounds better. For this reason, don't forget to use very expensive cable lifters if you are a true believer in the sciences of snake oil research.
It is the quality of the D/C within your Hi-Fi units that matters, and that is the function of a good power supply within those units, which is there to iron out any wall outlet irregularities.
In addition, the large smoothing capacitors act as a stable reservoir to supply a low impedance D/C supply, which protects against voltage droop when loud audio transients take place.
A power regenerator produces an excellent result in terms of a good 60hz sine wave output from a bad A/C wall outlet, and by the same token, your amplifier can produce an excellent result from the same bad A/C wall outlet.
Well, it is not that easy at all. AC to our homes come with lots of noises, distortions and also residual DC current (more and more these days). Residual DC can cause occasional "buzzing" in the system because toroidal power transformers have very low DC resistance at their inputs and any DC input present will cause very high currents to occur. I recommend reading article "Dirty AC Power: Getting It Out of Your (Audio/Video) System" by Roger Sheker for better understanding. Or maybe Paul will explain in some future video what Power Plant actually do and how just transformers and capacitors cannot get rid of all the "dirt" in AC line.
Hi, it´s Michal from Prague. Thanks so much for the explanation. I should have known that you guys will implement proof of the mains output quality into the Power Plant itself :)
These are amusing to me; knowing the amplifier takes that AC and rectifies it to DC for the amplifier to use it to make music….
His argument is that the ac from the wall that goes into the amp is noisy and not so regulated
Designers os quality audio equipment are well aware of shortcomings in mains supplies and design power supplies to handle any issues. If your system sounds better with a Power Plant then you have either very dirty mains or poorly designed/faulty equipment.
Audio Science Review measured THD+N and a few other tests on various amplifiers with and without the PS Audio regenerator and found no difference with and without it , Amir then fed the amplifiers a really distorted and noisy sinewave and once again the THD+N and his other measurements did not change. I was not surprised by this as the input to the power transformer on a Carver "magnetic field coil " amplifier is a chopped and nasty looking partial sine wave out of a triac that keeps his voltage rails constant regardless of load which tells me the input line sine wave does not make any measurable or audible difference on a good amplifier.
Thank you for this comment.
Well, that is simply not true. Go have another look. It is why we build in a THD analyzer and scope. So people can see the truth. Bear in mind, the changes are limited to 1kHz and below.
It's scary how seriously misleading and deficient so many of you are in your comments and assumptions regarding power and its effects on audio
Paul, my comment was in regards to what appears to be misleading commenters. Will you be comprehensively testing performance at 1khz and far above and publishing those results? Also, I am quite curious to have the opportunity to retest with some additional chassis benefits to see if far greater benefits could result. Wishing the Best. Thank You.
@@davidcross890 The regulation and lowering of distortion is limited to 1kHz and below. So, no, we won't be raising that higher as there would be no benefit. We publish now, on the website, the unit's specs and, as I mentioned, we build in to every unit its own THD analyzer and scope so you can check yourself.
Amir from audioscience did measurements and published them. Unfortunately Paul is not doing the same. I like Paul but his power plants don't add anything to better sound.
Amir measured the noise and totally misunderstood the reasons why the Power Plant is valuable. It's the tight voltage regulation under dynamic conditions that makes it valuable for what it does. Had he known that and measured that, it would have been a different story. Seems sometimes like Amir is more interested in poking fun at stuff than understanding its purpose, but then that's ok.
@@octaverecordsanddsdstudios1285 -- Don't PS Audio products include adequately "tight voltage regulation" for all the DC rails supplying their audio circuitry? If they do, why would regulating the incoming AC mains voltage be advantageous?
@@editorjuno Our low level products do, of course. Not power amps. Power amps are almost never regulated (their output stages). Moreover, one of the benefits of tight regulation of the voltage is the lowering of impedance - essentially shortening the length of wire connecting your system to the mains. Impedance is reduced by a factor of about 100.
@@octaverecordsanddsdstudios1285 -- Pardon me, but that sounds absurd. That "length of wire connecting your system to the mains" -- the AC cord-- is only the last meter or so of a circuit likely to include anywhere from 10-100 times that length stretching from the outlet to the service panel over ordinary 12 or 14 AWG Romex or some such -- not to mention the additional cabling out to the nearest pole-mounted step-down transformer. If rigorously regulated DC to an amplifier's output stage is all that beneficial to SQ, why not build the necessary regulation into the amp itself? If I were the customer, I'd resent shelling out $65k for a pair of your wondrous and already ponderous BHK mono power amps only to be told I need another device with a hefty 4-figure price tag in order to overcome a missing, aurally significant power supply capability.
@@editorjuno Well, understood, Bruce but welcome to the world of high-performance audio.
Couple of points to consider. Regulating the output stage of a big power amp would likely double the price of the power amp. It isn't as easy as it sounds. Secondly, the only way to lower impedance as I mentioned is by active means and that is, unfortunately, just expensive.
Ok, it almost perfectly works…what is the audio improvement like? Has any one done an A-B test to hear any differences?
My friend has one and it made no difference. He even admitted it makes no difference and he's keeping it just on the fact that it looks cool LOL. It's snake oil at its finest
It also depends on your amp and it’s power demand. For some it makes no to little difference for others it makes audible difference. Clean power may or may not be heard through your amp and dac. Just depends on it’s design. That is why some people say it works great while some say it makes no difference.
@@flargosa the proof in the pudding is listening to it. You are speaking very vaguely and broadly. In 2023 there is a plethora of Hi-Fi products that have extremely good Distortion levels and have a black background. If you had to put a number on it how many serious manufacturers and long-living manufacturers do you think our noisy? In my thirty years of dabbling in audio it's barely anybody nowadays.
@@ryanschipp8513 It also depends on the quality of your home power. If your home power quality has issues then a good measuring audio equipment might not sound the same with your home power. If your home power is already good then power regen might make little to no difference
@@ryanschipp8513 there is one possibility - your friend has very poor system which can not detect any good change
If it is only a magnitude better/improvement, you should use a (fully passive) ringing choke transformer. Does a fantastic job in regenerating the AC and has a fantastic mains transient suppression.
Doesn't affect the performance of anything though. It also wastes power.
Czechoslovakia hasn’t existed in over 30 years,
Very true...Czech Republic.
Another indicator that Paul is istuck in 30 years ago. 😂
Who cares what it’s called. It’s an irrelevant country.
@@UfukDirim proof that they literally pull these "letters" out of their A$$ in order to sell products.
Just like the police will investigate themselves and find no wrong doing. PS Fraudio will include a screen that tells you exactly what they want you to see. So very nice of them and humanitarian and vegan and rainbow colored.
Remember, the so-called "question" was, "have you got oscilloscope measurements to show us" and his answer was "well, yes" but all he did was point to a black screen that has been proven to be nothing more than a graphic art piece. Just ask Amir over at Audio Science Review. This is, in my estimation and opinion, thousands of dollars worth of door stop and just another big pair of handles to look impressive in the home of people with more money than sense. 👍
@@UfukDirim what are the other indicators?
Dumb question, but doesn't your amplifier do this on its own from the way with its own capacitors etc? Also, isn't it current delivery that is also important? Sure, P20 has 2000 watts available but both watts and amps are getting pulled by things pulled into this - not so relevant maybe for a cd player but an amplifier plugged into this wants both no...and potentially in huge supply?
I am using the power plant 3, it does not solve the "DC on the mains" issue coming off the wall, I am still hearing random buzz noise off the PP3, how does PS Audio PP address such Dc leakage problems ?
Are you sure you don't have a ground loop or something feeding noise into the system other than the A/C power line?
@@EricBurbeck I have all the system power cable connect to the PP3 and PP3 to wall, 2 other wall sockets are empty not connected to anything. Will there still be ground loop issues ?
Here are measurements, if you are interested in the answer: ua-cam.com/video/12T7JFLGlf0/v-deo.html
I've seen big bands touring the world playing live using equipment like this, not because it's Always needed, but sometimes it is.
I've even seen some houses with bad enough wiring to make the light flicker when you crank the stereo. 😂
Too much money for me though...
What live sound setups typically do today is to have UPS units on all there digital gear, especially the mix consoles. The reason is that unlike older analog gear, digital products often have a reboot time. Consoles today also have operating systems, Windows, MAC, Linux, and we all know how long that takes to boot up. Can't afford even a glitch that would cause a reboot. Their power amps though are usually direct fed.
@@andydelle4509 I'm not sure how many that's using it, but I know some have shown it on rig rundown. I'm not sure if they are exactly the same either, but it's because the electric supply isn't always perfect. 🙂
Computers and glitches can be a nightmare, let's hope they have back up in airplanes as well. 🙈😂
I can hear the ASR heads exploding 🤯
Paul why do you continue to spew marketing terms, instead of simply doing some precise measurements to show the “perfect sine wave”? They’ve been done by audio science reviews and shows absolutely no difference to sine wave nor AC quality, if anything it’s worse.
It's hardly "worse" and definitely better. That's why we build in a THD analyzer as well as a scope on the front panel of our bigger models. Audio Science missed the whole point of the Power Plant somehow thinking it was like a power conditioner designed to filter noise. It is not. It is a dynamic voltage regulator that produces a new sine wave that is low distortion and tightly regulated.
Yeah, it "produces a new sine wave that is low distortion and tightly regulated" -- which has zero effect on the DC output of a *properly* *designed* amplifier's power supply and, absent confirmation bias, no audible benefit.
"No difference" is simply not true. The powerplant had a more uniform sinewave than the AC mains and the powerplant had lower distortion than AC mains, per the ASR review.
WELCOME!
To all the Snake Oil commenters. We knew you'd come slithering out of your holes sooner rather than later.
The audio improvement by using one of Paul’s power plants is amazing. The biggest effect it gives you is a completely black background. And I have done an A B test. System sounds kind of flat, without the power plant. I will always have one in my system going forward.
At the end of the day, that is what counts. I got the same report from someone in the DIY community whose hearing skills I respect. If power cables and dedicated lines can improve sound, I suspect the power plant has the potential to be significant. Do you still see a difference in power cables between the power plant and your electronics?
I beg to differ. My friend has one and we also did blind testing and it made no difference. Also I've got three rigs at home with no power plant in any of them and they all have an absolute black background. All you're doing is trying to justify your purchase
@@ryanschipp8513 Equally interesting. I conclude its useful in some circumstances. Let's hope they have a trial period no question return.
But no justification here. I don't use them, just interested from the sidelines.
An A B test shows nothing. You’re imagining these differences, I suggest you do a doubleBLIND test and record yourself if you can tell the difference 9/10 times.
A whole suite of precise measurements has shown ps audio’s powerplants do nothing for AC quality.
@@ryanschipp8513 I agree Ryan. I've looked at the ac sine wave coming out of the wall on a scope and it looked perfect. Any imperfections or distortions would be smoothed out by the filtering capacitors in the power supplies of your audio equipment. This ac regeneration reminds me of the overpriced silver speaker wires and the overpriced interconnects etc.
Does it have a popcorn setting?
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Power Plant 20 was the last piece I put into my rig so after listening to the FR30 with Playback Designs chain or Clearaudio Vinyl I did know the sound of my rig very well.
I can honestly say that the PP20 did make a huge difference, can think of another piece in the rig making such a big difference after adding.
I didn´t expect much when we tested this but even in the first song I could hear what this thing does. The vocals or the ghostcenter was simply so much bigger then before and everything sounded more clear, not in a analytical way, the famous curtain was removed. I didn´t expect that to happen because that curtain already did fall when my Playback Designs Dac was broken-in but there is always another curtain which you cant see/hear I guess.
I would always buy the PP20 and the FR30 again, I only did choose Playback Designs MPD-8 & MPT-8 for digital source and Jeff Rowland Capri 2 & 625 S2 amp combo, did find those 2 brands doing better as psaudio. Being the best in everything isn´t easy I guess
So if these things are so great why are there three of them on audiogon for sale right now?
@@ryanschipp8513 ?
What do you want to say with that? A product is only great if nobody ever wants to sell it? I would not sell mine ever.
I would first sell some cables, after that Transport, preAmp, Amp and look for cheaper stuff before getting to that powerplant. Only my DAC and the speakers are above the PP20
@@77MovieFan That's just absurd. The way Paul talks about it he acts as if it was sent from the heavens. Based on that no one should ever want to sell one. You obviously haven't done any double blind AB testing. The first song you heard you made a huge difference? That's called placebo effect. Just because something was new in the system your mind wants you to think something sounds different.
@@ryanschipp8513 so you know my system and listening experience better as myself, interesting
I had ~800hrs to listen to my system, learning what it does, how it sounds with all my fave songs. Even on that same evening when my Dealer and friend integrated his PP20 i could hear clearly what that component changed, we did listen another 3 hrs and i liked the bigger vocal image infront of me and the clarity so what are you talking about?
I didnt expect that this machine could better the sound at all but it did, sadly for my money but good for overall sound of my rig. He removed it and it clearly was noticeable that the vocals or ghostspeaker was smaller again, bit less bass, loss in clarity. Ordered it directly after, had to wait 3 month... When it came i did let it burn-in and now i'm totally happy with it
@@77MovieFan my friend has a power plant and it makes no difference in a system. We tested it. It's snake oil. Obviously you were just trying to justify your purchase and are probably a PS audio fan.
PS Audio gear looks like 90s PC hardware.
The need for a regenerator will depend on the hi-fi system and the house's electrical system. Most people don't need a regen.
Hi Paul. Do"s PS Audio still produce the Dectet AC Power Conditioner .? Best regards from Denmark - Europe... Alf Agerup
Paul, you can use all the fancy jargon you want but there is no doubt the power regenerators are snake oil. My good friend Jason bought one and we listened with it in the signal path and not in the signal path. Absolutely no difference in sound. And my friend admitted it makes no difference buddy decided to keep it since it looks cool LOL. How can you sleep at night selling these things?
I bought one and it made a huge difference. Stopped a hum from
My speakers. Plugged them direct into the wall and it was back. So yeah they do make a difference, but if you’ve got perfectly clean power, then it wouldn’t make much, if any difference. I still think it’s worth getting the cheapest one though to plug in everything except big amps jist for clean cable management
@@Obsessioncardetailing this sounds much more reasonable. Others are saying Imaging, soundstage, vocals, are all improved. That's a bunch of malarkey
@@Obsessioncardetailing but maybe you should have tried $500 power conditioner before dropping thousands on Paul's trinket.
@@ryanschipp8513 I did. Power conditioner didn’t do much. It’s nice though so I kept it to plug TV etc into. And I have the P3 regenerator, the smallest one, which isn’t that expensive
@@ryanschipp8513 well if you can rid of hum and noise from the speakers, then I can see how it might affect the overall sound quality resulting in better imaging, clarity, bass and all that.
I know that when I got a cheap LPS for my project tube phono stage it was a massive improvement over the standard power supply. Even had my wife swap them over for me and I was able to pick it every time. So yeah I think power definitely matters
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Sweet, I'll email you my address and I will expect my scope in what, a couple weeks? Thank you so much!
The writer asked to see oscilloscope measurements...and you just blither on instead of simply turning the unit on and showing him????????
And lets be clear on the scope measurements as well. What we want to see are A/B scope measurements of an audio device on it's analog output. IOW, an amp's speaker output, A DAC's analog output.
The PS Power Plant does clean up the AC power sinewave and lower it's distortion. Just measuring the Power Plant AC output will show a marked improvement. But does that matter? We want to see the effects on the audio signal.
@@andydelle4509 there is none
It is just a search at UA-cam away! ASR have measured it, together with many doubtful products. Audioquest has several of these products. But I always prefer listening at home, if I try new products.
@@jackfalco5351 Right you are.
Copy that, Paul!
Yeah digital scope that's not the same as analogue lol depends where you're measuring it from are you measuring it from the output sockets? just get an isolation transformer pushing out 130 volts and then there's no issue
Is there a difference in the quality of the output between the Power Plant 3, 12, 15, and 20 or just the total number of outlets? If I only need six outlets, is there any reason for me to think about anything beyond the Power Plant 3?
One would think there shouldn't be, but the sound quality isn't the same, the larger models allow for a bigger, more dynamic sound (as if someone took their foot off the garden hose). It's probably got more to do with the regulation (a stable low-impedance source) than the "cleanliness" (the lower distortion) of the AC. I'm not even sure the distortion is all that important apart from the flat-topping, since a well-designed power supply in the components connected to such a device is going to convert it to DC anyways. The larger models may seem like overkill, but listening to the difference, that in itself appears to be the point of the matter. Because on the face of it, using a regenerator doesn't seem to make much sense. Try to get a demo: maybe you're lucky and it doesn't make a difference sonically, and you'll save money. I've heard systems in which the difference was small, and ones where it was such that it seemed to make the price of the regenerator reasonable to non-audiophiles. I personally wouldn't buy one blind without demo.
@@LeonFleisherFan I greatly appreciate the level-headed and thoughtful response.
The more ignorant people are, the more they are sure of their convictions, especially as regards audio. And especially where to admit a contrary view might lead to spending money. The PS Audio power plants do what they claim to do. If used intelligently they can improve the listening experience. The key word is “intelligently”.
He can not come from Czechoslovakia this country is not existing 🤔
@@clickbeetle2720 America is always a little behind if you talk about foreign countries but on the other side Czechoslovakia have a slow internet 🤣🤣🤣
I am bored with my life.
I have thousands of dollars to spend to help solve my boredom issue, at least temporarily. 🤔
What should I buy to make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. 🤔
Exactly
Hahahaha😂❤
"I am bored with my life.
I have thousands of dollars to spend to help solve my boredom issue, at least temporarily. 🤔
What should I buy to make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. 🤔"
@David from America:
You can't afford it, and you are envious of those that can. And so you illicit admiration from like-minded viewers, under the guise of invoking BS reasons that the product serves.
I do not own an electrical re-generator. I wish I did.
But I do not trash excellence in engineering, because the product is out of my financial reach. In fact, I praise the brilliant people for their accomplishments, and I am happy for the people that can enjoy the product.
Bashing quality products will not turn your envy and your misery into joy. Perhaps for a moment when some other envy-troll joins your crying session. But then it is right back to real life where your envy controls your life.
@@NoEgg4u
I just bought a McDonald’s hamburger.👍 I am feeling all warm and fuzzy inside..🤗😎
@@NoEgg4u A re-generator is totally unnecessary for stereo systems, just like the outrageously priced silver speaker wires and the outrageously priced interconnects etc. In case you don't know, Paul is a businessman and a salesman. He is trying to make lots of money for his business by selling his overpriced and unnecessary equipment. Dinna fall for it.
"so much better" ..... sigh.
ac to ac and ac to dc dc to (ac) soundwaves ??/?
It's basically acting as a UPS without battery backup, it's taking mains voltage charging up bunch of capacitors (that are low capacity batteries), and then converting it back into mains voltage but regulated so regardless the input voltage & sinewave it'll always be perfect on the output. So, basically giant UPS without battery backup feature. Nowadays, anyone can get cheap UPS that will clean up a noisy sinewave,be battery backed up, and also display all the ins and outs of everything without looking at the unit.
Audio products with poorly designed power supply circuits operating in poor power environments need a power regenerator.
It’s all about what makes you feel good. If lowering your distortion level .0005 makes you feel good..??🤔😀👍🤗😎👑
@@davidfromamerica1871 We hear what we want to hear and the more we spend the more we feel it sounds better. For this reason, don't forget to use very expensive cable lifters if you are a true believer in the sciences of snake oil research.
I may as well say it, I'm calling BS on this power regeneration supposedly improving the sound and the musical experience etc. BEE ESS
PS Audio PowerPlant total crap and snake oil