@@hfwwf At least he's honest... And it's not as if they created a toxic atmosphere like you see in a lot of clubs these days i.e Man United. They were serial winners and would only accept a manager that met the criteria. Managers are replaceable. JT, Lampard, Drogba, Cech, Ashley Cole etc weren't.
He understands this is an outdated method of media communication….. the media wants transparency and honesty from players; when a player like john obi does that, then they try to embarrass him and use his words against him. Such an outdated boring style, whoever came up with this idea needs to retire
Those lads were beasts at Chelsea so they naturally had power and Mourinho gave them enormous power that when he left they coulf not be managed with weak managers..
It’s not just the regular player power. It’s JT, the captain, Drogba, Lampard, Cech and the likes that we’re talking about. Those players bleed blue and actually are on speaking terms with Abramovich. If Abramovich can’t trust them, who have been at the club for almost 10 years at that time, who else would he trust? That group of players stayed together and had seen managers come and go, but they were still there. If they say something isn’t right, Abramovich would 100% follow them than the manager who has been there for a few months.
Look how animated Martin is getting I think Talksport is onto something here. They should get John Obi Mikel and Martin in at the same time on the show..😅
“His job is to play, regardless if he likes the manager or not” In any other situation I’d agree, but Rafa was a terrible appointment. If they changed managers all the time and still won it all, it means the players were the real talent, not the manager.
Rafa steered them to a 3rd place finish and a Europa league trophy when they were in disarray despite only taking the job on an interim basis. Yeah, terrible appointment.
I still remember what JT said to him about the dressing room bust up something along the lines of its acceptable at liverpool FC but this is Chelsea ... Captain - Leader - Legend
Jim white egging people on to say controversial stuff then reusing it to hurt the player reputation. He really is bottom of the barrel … anything to spin a story
Players power is very much present in the modern game. The Ronaldo, Messi, Neyma, Kylian Mbape, Benzema etc have that much power in today’s game. Chelsea hiring Benitez was a wrong appointment from day one. Neither the fans nor the players wanted him and it’s obvious it was never going to work. The owner and top management team of Chelsea are to be blamed for it. Those set of Chelsea players have that much power. They practically set the club on auto mode hence, any manager can come in and still win trophies. The fact that they won the champions league with a non proven manager says how much of a force the players were. Whatever they did to Benitez, he deserves it. It was a wrong appointment from day 1. It made both fans and players furious. Ofcos, being a manager, I don’t expect Mr Martin O’Niel to say otherwise. It’s what it is!
Chelsea was a beast of a club and unique with the leadership. No one messed with Roman and had relationships with the players through JT Lamps Cech etc When a coach can only survive one or two seasons a time and many key players stayed long than 7/8 years then that had to be the leadership system and it worked. The domination and success was Roman constantly changing coach’s but keeping the key players. Roman was probably one of the only owners who had real football knowledge who was involved in all aspects of the club through Buck and Marina.
@@TheMercWithMouth Abramovich were probably the first of the new breeds of billionaires with personal investment and love of football. He is a winner and had the money of course but all the top teams are now copying this with Americans and Saudis etc. Chelsea had already built the club up to regular top 6 from 1995 under Bates. This is the reason why Abramovich recognised the potential at Chelsea much attraction was many famous international players coming to Stamford Bridge before Abramovich..
@@bluecarefreeforever incorrect. There was just a top 5. This included teams that had actually won trophies. Chelsea pre 2003 had a handful of trophies. Five with one league title..Notts forest were bigger and more successful. Ra had seen the broadcast money etc and wanted a piece. At the time Chelsea were the easiest and most accessible club. His first transfer windows worth, was equivalent to £700mill today. No one is copying anyone, those who wish to buy a club do so knowing about future income guarantees. You talk about players staying on 😂which is true only because they have sell on value..managers don't, hence he went through 15 of them. I get how delusion doesn't include fact in your emotionally charged rebuttal. But Chelsea are noting without that oligarch lottery in its foundation and that's fact.
@@TheMercWithMouth You are incorrect and not following my thread at all!! 🤣🤣 I wasn’t talking about top6 as in size or worth. I was talking about position in the league table. We were in top6 between 1995 to 2002 Although as a result of the success in several cup wins and european success financially during that period Deloitte’s which is far more reliable than you I’m sure 🫣🤣 We we’re 4th largest club in 1998-1999 on the money league. generally it was only Liverpool and Man U who were bigger and before Roman we were generally 7th to 10th under European team like RM Barça Bayern Munich etc. Roman’s time though increased Deloitte’s Money League up to top 4 many years. So clearly both financially before RA and domestic cups and european success and PL table position before RA AND on the Deloitte’s Money League accepted as one of the main measures show how wrong you are and only below likes of Man U Liverpool in UK. Chelsea is one of five clubs to have won all three pre-1999 main European club competitions, and the only club to have won all three major European competitions twice. Sleep tight! 😉🤣🤣
Fans come to see players not managers. Yes we have very colorful and charismatic managers but it's easier to get rid of a manager than players so I get what he is saying.
It's amazing how everyone seems to have forgotten that Rafa Benitez finished 3rd in the league, and won the Europa league even though he was only appointed as an interim manager until the end of that season after Di Matteo was sacked, yet people say it was a disaster. What more was he was supposed to do? They were nowhere near challenging for the league title when he came in.
With that squad, he achieved the bare minimum. Chelsea lost to Swansea in the league cup semi final because he refused to drop Torres. They won the Europa League, yes, but take a look at the opposition. Chelsea weren't just favourites, they were so clear of every other team they came up against. Let's not forget the fact that Benitez also lost the Club World Cup with his awful tactics. I remember it like it was yesterday, Benitez was a terrible appointment. The worst thing Benitez did was refuse to criticise Suarez for biting Ivanovic and lied about Terry by saying he could only play 1 game a week. We saw his true colours. He didn't care about Chelsea, and we didn't want him.
I don’t see how you can criticise the Chelsea players tbh, they won everything there was to win. If it didn’t work then sure but it worked and Roman trusted the players and he was right.
they should of won more during that period for the money they were spending, they were the city of that time in terms of spending at one point nobody was even close to them fincially should of won more titles and at least been to more cl finals
That Chelsea squad had won multiple trophies. So when a new manager is brought in, You can understand that the owners side with the players. Most clubs this isn't the case. If the players have won you multiple trophies of course you'd side them over a manger who's won nothing.If the Manager been there for multiple trophies with different squads then the owners side with him. Its all relative to the situation.
Chelsea created those “player power monsters”. It was the environment fostered right from the top that created that power balance shift to the players. I don’t think it was necessarily something that was consciously grown out of the players characters .
I think it's to do with the time and changing culture. Chelsea core might have pioneered it but I believe it was inevitable. The current generations are disobedient and entitled, hence the inevitability.
I don’t think it was a player power problem per se. the core group of players were immense and had the responsibility to carry on that winning ethos Mourinho instilled in them. The problem with Benitez was that he did not communicate with his players. Did not tell them why they were dropped, how they could improve etc. The tipping point was when Rafa was fine with being knocked out of the domestic cup and he was okay with it which is where JT lost it with him. If the manager had the right mentality and direction then the players wouldn’t have a problem. Look at Ancelotti, Gus Hiddink etc
Exactly what I was thinking. The best players always had influence, and always will. O'Neill is off on one here thinking it didn't happen in teams he was in and in teams he's managed.
Yeah I don't know why Martin O'Neill is shocked cause we all knew Chelsea players had the power in the dressing room. Rafa's time at Chelsea happened during the time Martin was Sunderland manager. JT said on Mikel's podcast that he exploded at Rafa after losing to Man City in the FA Cup because Rafa said "doesn't matter we have another big game next week" and JT said "that's accepted here?"
Coming from someone who is a victim of what Mikel described. You could feel the hurt while he talked. O’Neal, go and heal 😂😂😂 We don’t mind the player power, provided they deliver results
The days of ‘SHUT UP AND DRIBBLE’ are DONE! The RESPECT and UNDERSTANDING has to be MUTUAL!!! EVERYONE making things happen in ANY INSTITUTION or INDUSTRY deserves RESPECT FIRST!
It's called leadership Jim. You should take a leaf out of his book, and grow a backbone to question corrupt organisations like the PGMOL. You forget to mention Chelsea won everything in that period. So get off your eager high horse of 'yes' or 'no' questions, and understand the context of what you are questioning.
are you honestly saying the players should try to get managers sacked if he's not playing certain players? the fact so many of you are defending the spoilt footballers blows my mind. They are players they are paid to play ball not play politics and get managers fired. being a leader on the pitch is great they are not paid to be leaders in the club itsself they are paid to kick a ball around
@@sponish0 I guess you take the view that a manager who's performing badly and making poor decisions consistently should remain and not even be questioned by players? You must be a United fan and support ETH then.
Am i saying he shouldn't be questioned? no, am i saying its not players jobs to stop trying and get managers sacked, yes. If you honestly think players purposely not trying because the manager isn't doing things how they want i can't help you. Its not players jobs to decides who stays or who doesn't thats the higher management its like a lot of you don't understand players are not there to run football clubs or make business decisions they are there to kick a ball around the decisions are made by those higher up . @@SC..28
It’s a real shame Martin is now so bitter about his time at Forest. He can’t seem to accept his football was so outdated and we were going nowhere. Maybe that’s why he’s not had a job since?…
Why are people shocked at this? It's really mad when you think about it. They're getting millions of dollars, they're the ones actually stepping across the line and representing teams. Nobody cares how much a manager scream, pisses and moans if the players don't do their job literally nothing happens. Respect Mikel for being honest about it, but people getting shocked by it is actually mad if anything it's even more relevant to the game today.
@@ubedet he's a lot better than ten Hag. Tactically he's much more clever, plus he has a far better personality, but that's difficult. I think a slug has more personality that that guy.
@@alanduncan1980 Pretty sure facts aren't considered imagination in the real world but if it makes you feel better to think Martin can manage in this day and age then by all means have at it. Let us know when he gets hired by a big club. No, actually let us know when he gets hired by ANY club ANYWHERE. I'll be waiting.
Remember they won the UCL after kicking AVB out, I think they just had strong personalities and their manager just had to have a strong personality to manage them.
The truth of the matter is Chelsea got rid of so many manager it actively undermined the manager’s authority. I am a Chelsea fan, and the landscape changed after mourinho’s sacking (the first one). I really believe players were numbed by the sackings in the end. See how players ran the show under Avram Grant when we reached the final in 2008, or even under Bobby Di Matteo (even though he was respected and one of the lads). I am very much for a player to be happy and well settled in his environment, but not at the detriment of the club and other players. I believe JT was the guardian of what Chelsea represents. But I want a manager who can take charge and have the main say. I thanked Rafa for his work, but he wasn’t the right man.
In all honesty, there's no human in the world, be it in the corporate world or in the entertainment world, who would give in their best for a boss whom they do not like. So let's stop pretending as if what Mikel said is so shameful to utter. He's being honest, what a lot of people in the media space can never boast of being.
What? So you only work to impress your boss because you like him 😂 most pathetic thing I've ever heard especially in football when people are paying money to come and watch them not knowing the players are going to lose on purpose, there should be some kind of fine thrown at them now even
@@dondamon4669 call it what you like. Say whatever you think is sensible. But we all know that we wouldn't ever wish to work in a toxic environment... and if the boss is toxic, then he sure will get an atmosphere that is toxic. Peace be unto you
@@dondamon4669 Maybe they don’t purposefully lose but just can’t go over 100% with their performances because either they just don’t fit the system or the coaching isn’t good enough that leads to more mistakes, etc. or maybe just as simple as not feeling the respect, ie. not given fair chances or rewards based on performances. Could be a lot of factors. Feeling frustrated at the coach because you know you all can be and do better makes sense to me. (Also managers/coaches aren’t exactly the right equivalent to the real boss. The real boss at the top will always be the owners or presidents. Managers are more akin to well, managers or chief of certain branch or division for example. They can get you fired or transferred for sure, but only at the final decision of the real boss at the top who can also just fire the managers if the whole division just doesn’t function as hoped or expected)
70% of the chelsea first team and even some important subs were national captains too. They were loyal to the Chelsea course, no coach could bend their will.
Benitez benched JT, the captain of Chelsea FC since forever. That’s not the way to treat a first 11 full of international captains. It worked for Benitez to get everyone behind the tactics but he was never a long term appointment for the fans. Mikel is right. This guy… 100% wrong. Shows how strong the players were to win season after season no matter who the manager was.
Get rid of these old farts that live in the past. Really gets boring. That chelsea team had a solid base due to players who really loved performing for the club. The Trophies speak volumes no matter the manager.
With Martin's current image of the old sage of football, people seem to forget what a bloody terror he was in his playing days. He was a gifted player who took no prisoners himself when required. Don't let his mild demeanour fool you now!
He didn't say anything of value about what Obi said about Chelsea, nor anything of value about player power in general - but managed to make himself look/sound authoritative tho...so that was nice. 😆
O'Neill didn't have to deal with player power because his managerial honours include something like 3 SPL titles, 3 or 4 Scottish cups and a league cup or 2 with Leicester back in the day... Achieved nothing in any competition of any real relevance to football other than being runner up in the UEFA Cup back in 2003. Give me a break mate.
Why is ONeill talking has if he has handled big stars. He is trying to over look it has if he has not been sacked by players. Top managers know that players dictate once they don't like your coaching style.
Oneil should check Rafa Benitez records after then and tell us which club he was able to instill his discipline… character is everything, go check his last club at Celta Vigo.
The love and support people have been showing for that Mikel interview is hilarious. Everything they always criticise current football for yet they celebrate it when it’s players and a team of the past that they liked. Hypocritical nonsense.
You gotta remember Mikel does have a podcast now also… So he was slightly playing to the gallery. For instance; He kept talking about how the players were conspiring to get Rafa out, But Rafa was only an interim manager in the first place…. He was Always leaving at the end of the season, so that didn’t make any sense to me
Exactly right. It's great when it's John Terry and Frank Lampard leading the mutiny. But the media crucified Aubameyang and labelled him a cancer in the dressing room. Even though his teammates loved him. Benitez even won them a European trophy. He wasn't a managerial nobody like Lampard twice.
The system worked, simple as. Some managers deserve the door. Like Rafa ousted JT, who 1 or 2 seasons later played every minute of a title winning season. Rafa as a managerial force was spent, and the players recognised that. I don’t particularly like it, but it worked. If more England players had had the balls, maybe they’d have ousted cappello, and won something.
Barca was run like that madrid was run like that bayern was run like that milan in their prime was run like that so player power has always been key part of success
‘The players are the most important people at a football club’ just shows the egos of players these days when it’s the fans 100% without fans football is nothing
Fans are who paid the players, but it is extremely costly to replace players. Manager will always get the kick regardless, sometime it is not even because of the manager. The cheaper and better solution is to bring in a manager that can bring the team together.
Player Power been around a Long time. Wasn`t it Player Power that got the great Brian Clough sacked from Leeds Utd after 44 days.?? Clough didn`t get off 1st base with the players after he told them their medals won under Revie were won by cheating.
There have been many occasions when the players run the dressing room. France team in 2006 that reached world cup final under Domenech, many believed the players run the dressing room, with leaders like Henry, Zidane, Thuram, Vieira, etc. However in 2010 it got to the point where Anelka got sent home and the players rebelled and refused to train
@@sponish0 I don't excuse what happened in 2010. But I don't have a problem with what happened in 2006 when France got to the final with strong characters in the team running the dressing room
tbf a world cup situation is different as its just a one tournament you need to win, its not like a club which is a business running day-today you need structure and hierarchy's for clubs@@rohithraman6488
I have always found O'Neill a bit galling. As a player, he was an annoying, snidey, charmless player. He was a negative coach and is now a pompous, patronising pundit.
Oh Martin O'Neill... Let's get a few things straight pal. 1. You were never and will never be a top coach. 2. You will never manage a top club that is still competing at the top level with superstars like John Obi Mikel, John Terry, Frank Lampard, and the likes. 3. Those players had already proven their class, so if they felt a coach wasn't good enough, or if they felt they deserved to play, then they were right to do what they did. As a matter of fact, history proves them right, especially players like John Mikel Obi and Didier Drogba who gave man of the match performances against Bayern in the Champions League final, and STILL won the EPL AGAIN with Jose Mourinho. 4. Bro, who the heck is even Martin O'Neill as a manager or coach? 😂 😂 😂 Who are you to talk? When have you ever had a level of mettle or pedigree as a coach? Please keep quiet and learn something from the star players. 5. Players are human beings, if you treat human beings with respect, they will respect you too. If Rafa Benitez had shown respect to those players instead of high handed arrogance, then perhaps they would have tolerated him. 6. A football coach is not a dictator. Players are not your slaves or lowly subjects. If you can't treat them with respect, don't come waffling about player power you silly, old man. 7. Sort out your over-bloated ego and see a therapist Mart. You need to heal. 🧡
before the video has even started Simon Jordan being the mobile phoneaholic he is, is already using his. Stop the Talksport mobile phone epidemic, quarantine everyone here, and do not let the disease spread to vulnerable people or the poor. Simon is always on his goddamn phone, i would love to know the real reason he is always glued to that phone. Maybe Netflix will make a documentary about it with such reviews saying "Visceral and Powerful" - "Edge Of Your Seat Stuff" "Simon admits what everyone already knew" - him and that mobile phone are mind-boggling. "Martin O'Neal was really furious" because he knows the truth about Simon's mobile phone....
The fact that Roman always chopped and changed managers.... What do you expect with JT bringing stability. He was use to success and understands the culture required to come into CFC
Mr. O'Neal has never been at the football club of Chelsea's statue. I understand where he comes from but we still never liked Rafa and neither did the players. He still cant forget that Chelsea beat his teams every time.
Martin O'Neal not been realistic nd truthful here, then got sacked after a couple of game.... only to learn a week after that certain players got him sacked 😂😂😂
O'Neil does not like it but he knows its true. A club brings in a player for 80 million+ . As a manager you gotta know keeping him happy is part of your job. Same was true at Man United after Fergie stepped down. Rio & Co gave the next managers zero chance. Ferdinand was at the end of his career too. When a decent manager would have started benching/rotating him.
People bang on about this stuff but if you look at the context the players were right on the money all the time. Mourinho and Ancelotti they never wanted out - clearly the two biggest successes - and Mourinho is a very fiery personality so plenty must have disliked him, but put up with him because he was doing well. The ones they wanted gone like Scolari, AVB, Benitez were not getting results and were alienating top players, and the ones who just let players manage themselves (Grant, Hiddink, Di Matteo) actually had the best results of all, although their periods were brief, they showed Chelsea were a team that thrived on just managing their own dressing room and being left to handle it.
nonsense mate you think players should down tools and not try if the manager isn't picking someone? they are paid to play football not play politics, if they want power to make decisions they can retire and be coaches instead
@@sponish0I didn’t mention not trying and I don’t think Mikel did either - the player power they’re talking about is having the ability to go to the owner and say they would recommend a change of coach, which I’m saying they were always right on the money with. No one mentioned not playing for the shirt, and I think that whole idea is a myth anyway, I find it very hard to believe any footballer would ever step onto a pitch and make themselves look bad by intentionally playing poorly.
lamps and terry in management you think they'd stand now for players they managing trying to get them sacked?i bet they'd think its wrong if their players did to them what they did to managers@@matthewbrock8238
Martin's right. The way they got rid of Big Phil Scolari, a World Cup Winner, was disgraceful. Also, Danny Murohy cackling like a school bully's maye as John Obi Mikel spoke was so cringe.
Almost every Chelsea player back then was the captain of his national team, they were powerful players in different aspects.
Why are people surprised at this. We all know chelsea players had the power back then. Why is everyone shocked 😂
The shock is in it being talked about so brazenly. Sorry if you missed the brief there.
@@hfwwf At least he's honest... And it's not as if they created a toxic atmosphere like you see in a lot of clubs these days i.e Man United.
They were serial winners and would only accept a manager that met the criteria. Managers are replaceable. JT, Lampard, Drogba, Cech, Ashley Cole etc weren't.
@@davidstephenson164 Exactly, I appreciate the honesty, it pushes the conversation forward.
@@hfwwf fair do's mate
@@davidstephenson164agreed... they only cared about winning and having fun
The most shocking thing about this video is simon being quiet
He understands this is an outdated method of media communication….. the media wants transparency and honesty from players; when a player like john obi does that, then they try to embarrass him and use his words against him. Such an outdated boring style, whoever came up with this idea needs to retire
@user-tn8uu2cu8g😂 You're not supposed to take all of that nonsense seriously!
"SILENT AGREEMENT "
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣!!!!
Simon knows Obi was right!!
Those lads were beasts at Chelsea so they naturally had power and Mourinho gave them enormous power that when he left they coulf not be managed with weak managers..
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Very true
Yeah right, these are players are high calibers and well proven that whenever there’s a problem, most of the time we know it’s the coach
It’s not just the regular player power. It’s JT, the captain, Drogba, Lampard, Cech and the likes that we’re talking about. Those players bleed blue and actually are on speaking terms with Abramovich. If Abramovich can’t trust them, who have been at the club for almost 10 years at that time, who else would he trust? That group of players stayed together and had seen managers come and go, but they were still there. If they say something isn’t right, Abramovich would 100% follow them than the manager who has been there for a few months.
Those players were absolute sc*m. They held their own fans in contempt.
@@lloydwaycott8178what consempt? Those players Are responsible for making one of the most succesfull Club the last 20-15 years.
lampard and terry in management now i bet they wouldn't stand for taking over a team who's players had more power than they do
@@cfcCornflakes Oh don't worry Chris, I didn't expect you to understand.
They were that powerful why was Benitez appointed in the first place if they hated him that much?
Look how animated Martin is getting I think Talksport is onto something here. They should get John Obi Mikel and Martin in at the same time on the show..😅
Give him a break
“His job is to play, regardless if he likes the manager or not”
In any other situation I’d agree, but Rafa was a terrible appointment.
If they changed managers all the time and still won it all, it means the players were the real talent, not the manager.
Rafa steered them to a 3rd place finish and a Europa league trophy when they were in disarray despite only taking the job on an interim basis. Yeah, terrible appointment.
Agreed... even rafa won
@@timmurray2945 winning is sometimes not everything
@@livinusokoz306at Chelsea it is!!!
I still remember what JT said to him about the dressing room bust up something along the lines of its acceptable at liverpool FC but this is Chelsea ... Captain - Leader - Legend
Jim white egging people on to say controversial stuff then reusing it to hurt the player reputation. He really is bottom of the barrel … anything to spin a story
He's soooo bad
The man can make a meal out of a Pot Noodle
Players power is very much present in the modern game. The Ronaldo, Messi, Neyma, Kylian Mbape, Benzema etc have that much power in today’s game. Chelsea hiring Benitez was a wrong appointment from day one. Neither the fans nor the players wanted him and it’s obvious it was never going to work. The owner and top management team of Chelsea are to be blamed for it. Those set of Chelsea players have that much power. They practically set the club on auto mode hence, any manager can come in and still win trophies. The fact that they won the champions league with a non proven manager says how much of a force the players were. Whatever they did to Benitez, he deserves it. It was a wrong appointment from day 1. It made both fans and players furious. Ofcos, being a manager, I don’t expect Mr Martin O’Niel to say otherwise. It’s what it is!
Martin O'Neal was really furious😂😂😂
seems U dont know much what furious is about
Martin has never managed a big club. He doesn't 'get' the top end.@@michaelwallden7261
He was offended for sure
O'Neil*
@@BabsWO'Neill* 😉
Martin O'Neal "THERE IS NO PLAYER POWER"
Also "I KEPT TABS ON ALL THE PEOPLE THAT OVERTHREW ME AND I KNOW EVERY CLUB THEY ARE AT"
This is exactly the content we want emotion realness. Shout out martin O'Neil he had receipts 😂
Chelsea was a beast of a club and unique with the leadership. No one messed with Roman and had relationships with the players through JT Lamps Cech etc When a coach can only survive one or two seasons a time and many key players stayed long than 7/8 years then that had to be the leadership system and it worked. The domination and success was Roman constantly changing coach’s but keeping the key players. Roman was probably one of the only owners who had real football knowledge who was involved in all aspects of the club through Buck and Marina.
Eh I think you’re wrong
Chelsea nothing without oligarch lottery. That's how their foundation was built.
@@TheMercWithMouth Abramovich were probably the first of the new breeds of billionaires with personal investment and love of football. He is a winner and had the money of course but all the top teams are now copying this with Americans and Saudis etc. Chelsea had already built the club up to regular top 6 from 1995 under Bates. This is the reason why Abramovich recognised the potential at Chelsea much attraction was many famous international players coming to Stamford Bridge before Abramovich..
@@bluecarefreeforever incorrect. There was just a top 5. This included teams that had actually won trophies. Chelsea pre 2003 had a handful of trophies. Five with one league title..Notts forest were bigger and more successful. Ra had seen the broadcast money etc and wanted a piece. At the time Chelsea were the easiest and most accessible club. His first transfer windows worth, was equivalent to £700mill today. No one is copying anyone, those who wish to buy a club do so knowing about future income guarantees. You talk about players staying on 😂which is true only because they have sell on value..managers don't, hence he went through 15 of them. I get how delusion doesn't include fact in your emotionally charged rebuttal. But Chelsea are noting without that oligarch lottery in its foundation and that's fact.
@@TheMercWithMouth You are incorrect and not following my thread at all!! 🤣🤣
I wasn’t talking about top6 as in size or worth.
I was talking about position in the league table. We were in top6 between 1995 to 2002 Although as a result of the success in several cup wins and european success financially during that period Deloitte’s which is far more reliable than you I’m sure 🫣🤣 We we’re 4th largest club in 1998-1999 on the money league. generally it was only Liverpool and Man U who were bigger and before Roman we were generally 7th to 10th under European team like RM Barça Bayern Munich etc. Roman’s time though increased Deloitte’s Money League up to top 4 many years.
So clearly both financially before RA and domestic cups and european success and PL table position before RA AND on the Deloitte’s Money League accepted as one of the main measures show how wrong you are and only below likes of Man U Liverpool in UK.
Chelsea is one of five clubs to have won all three pre-1999 main European club competitions, and the only club to have won all three major European competitions twice.
Sleep tight! 😉🤣🤣
Fans come to see players not managers. Yes we have very colorful and charismatic managers but it's easier to get rid of a manager than players so I get what he is saying.
It's amazing how everyone seems to have forgotten that Rafa Benitez finished 3rd in the league, and won the Europa league even though he was only appointed as an interim manager until the end of that season after Di Matteo was sacked, yet people say it was a disaster. What more was he was supposed to do? They were nowhere near challenging for the league title when he came in.
No one ever said it was a disaster
With that squad, he achieved the bare minimum. Chelsea lost to Swansea in the league cup semi final because he refused to drop Torres. They won the Europa League, yes, but take a look at the opposition. Chelsea weren't just favourites, they were so clear of every other team they came up against. Let's not forget the fact that Benitez also lost the Club World Cup with his awful tactics. I remember it like it was yesterday, Benitez was a terrible appointment.
The worst thing Benitez did was refuse to criticise Suarez for biting Ivanovic and lied about Terry by saying he could only play 1 game a week. We saw his true colours. He didn't care about Chelsea, and we didn't want him.
Shows how good that squad was. They played for themselves.
@@hermityt1i didnt realise we appeared in 3 World Club Cups. Won 2 lost one.
I don’t see how you can criticise the Chelsea players tbh, they won everything there was to win. If it didn’t work then sure but it worked and Roman trusted the players and he was right.
My friend@user-tn8uu2cu8g this is not part of the way... we should not be speaking this way in public forums.
they should of won more during that period for the money they were spending, they were the city of that time in terms of spending at one point nobody was even close to them fincially should of won more titles and at least been to more cl finals
@@sponish0won more? they were the most successful English club in that time period lol
@@darrylkemp3253 no that would be man United.
@@sponish0 no it was Chelsea go look it up 🤦
That Chelsea squad had won multiple trophies. So when a new manager is brought in, You can understand that the owners side with the players. Most clubs this isn't the case. If the players have won you multiple trophies of course you'd side them over a manger who's won nothing.If the Manager been there for multiple trophies with different squads then the owners side with him. Its all relative to the situation.
Chelsea created those “player power monsters”. It was the environment fostered right from the top that created that power balance shift to the players. I don’t think it was necessarily something that was consciously grown out of the players characters .
I think it's to do with the time and changing culture. Chelsea core might have pioneered it but I believe it was inevitable.
The current generations are disobedient and entitled, hence the inevitability.
Definitely touched a nerve here, they knew the reaction they'd get...
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@user-tn8uu2cu8gyour getting really annoying, talksport is not for you.
Martin O’Neill makes it all about him. The issue was what Mikel said about Chelsea.
I don’t think it was a player power problem per se. the core group of players were immense and had the responsibility to carry on that winning ethos Mourinho instilled in them. The problem with Benitez was that he did not communicate with his players. Did not tell them why they were dropped, how they could improve etc. The tipping point was when Rafa was fine with being knocked out of the domestic cup and he was okay with it which is where JT lost it with him. If the manager had the right mentality and direction then the players wouldn’t have a problem. Look at Ancelotti, Gus Hiddink etc
It happened to Clough at Leeds United. Well before wages changed and agents were a thing.
Exactly what I was thinking. The best players always had influence, and always will. O'Neill is off on one here thinking it didn't happen in teams he was in and in teams he's managed.
Yeah I don't know why Martin O'Neill is shocked cause we all knew Chelsea players had the power in the dressing room. Rafa's time at Chelsea happened during the time Martin was Sunderland manager. JT said on Mikel's podcast that he exploded at Rafa after losing to Man City in the FA Cup because Rafa said "doesn't matter we have another big game next week" and JT said "that's accepted here?"
Coming from someone who is a victim of what Mikel described. You could feel the hurt while he talked. O’Neal, go and heal 😂😂😂
We don’t mind the player power, provided they deliver results
The days of ‘SHUT UP AND DRIBBLE’ are DONE! The RESPECT and UNDERSTANDING has to be MUTUAL!!! EVERYONE making things happen in ANY INSTITUTION or INDUSTRY deserves RESPECT FIRST!
It's called leadership Jim. You should take a leaf out of his book, and grow a backbone to question corrupt organisations like the PGMOL.
You forget to mention Chelsea won everything in that period. So get off your eager high horse of 'yes' or 'no' questions, and understand the context of what you are questioning.
are you honestly saying the players should try to get managers sacked if he's not playing certain players? the fact so many of you are defending the spoilt footballers blows my mind. They are players they are paid to play ball not play politics and get managers fired. being a leader on the pitch is great they are not paid to be leaders in the club itsself they are paid to kick a ball around
@@sponish0 I guess you take the view that a manager who's performing badly and making poor decisions consistently should remain and not even be questioned by players? You must be a United fan and support ETH then.
Am i saying he shouldn't be questioned? no, am i saying its not players jobs to stop trying and get managers sacked, yes. If you honestly think players purposely not trying because the manager isn't doing things how they want i can't help you. Its not players jobs to decides who stays or who doesn't thats the higher management its like a lot of you don't understand players are not there to run football clubs or make business decisions they are there to kick a ball around the decisions are made by those higher up . @@SC..28
It’s a real shame Martin is now so bitter about his time at Forest. He can’t seem to accept his football was so outdated and we were going nowhere. Maybe that’s why he’s not had a job since?…
He's like 78? 😂
@@KittySofttpaws🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 give the man a break
Which one of the muppets are you?
Simon smirking.
@user-tn8uu2cu8gtake your religious beliefs to a religious video. There’s time & place for that bot.
Why are people shocked at this? It's really mad when you think about it. They're getting millions of dollars, they're the ones actually stepping across the line and representing teams. Nobody cares how much a manager scream, pisses and moans if the players don't do their job literally nothing happens. Respect Mikel for being honest about it, but people getting shocked by it is actually mad if anything it's even more relevant to the game today.
Martin O'Neill is definitely not to be trifled with. Top manager! He should be managing a top club, instead of being sat there.
Are you joking
The game has passed him by. He couldn't handle a dressing room with players today much less the players of ten years ago.
@@Frank-ii2ug you have a wonderful imagination.
@@ubedet he's a lot better than ten Hag. Tactically he's much more clever, plus he has a far better personality, but that's difficult. I think a slug has more personality that that guy.
@@alanduncan1980 Pretty sure facts aren't considered imagination in the real world but if it makes you feel better to think Martin can manage in this day and age then by all means have at it. Let us know when he gets hired by a big club. No, actually let us know when he gets hired by ANY club ANYWHERE. I'll be waiting.
Most important people are the fans, not the players, players come n go at clubs!!
Martin had never managed a big team like Chelsea. I don't expect him to understand what Mikel said. He can only respond the way he did.
Martín managed Celtic, Villa and Forest, who are European Cup winners.
Remember they won the UCL after kicking AVB out, I think they just had strong personalities and their manager just had to have a strong personality to manage them.
The truth of the matter is Chelsea got rid of so many manager it actively undermined the manager’s authority. I am a Chelsea fan, and the landscape changed after mourinho’s sacking (the first one). I really believe players were numbed by the sackings in the end. See how players ran the show under Avram Grant when we reached the final in 2008, or even under Bobby Di Matteo (even though he was respected and one of the lads). I am very much for a player to be happy and well settled in his environment, but not at the detriment of the club and other players. I believe JT was the guardian of what Chelsea represents. But I want a manager who can take charge and have the main say. I thanked Rafa for his work, but he wasn’t the right man.
Detriment? The player power worked. Chelsea kept winning and winning. The core group won them the cl after getting rid of avb
In all honesty, there's no human in the world, be it in the corporate world or in the entertainment world, who would give in their best for a boss whom they do not like. So let's stop pretending as if what Mikel said is so shameful to utter. He's being honest, what a lot of people in the media space can never boast of being.
What? So you only work to impress your boss because you like him 😂 most pathetic thing I've ever heard especially in football when people are paying money to come and watch them not knowing the players are going to lose on purpose, there should be some kind of fine thrown at them now even
@@dondamon4669 call it what you like. Say whatever you think is sensible. But we all know that we wouldn't ever wish to work in a toxic environment... and if the boss is toxic, then he sure will get an atmosphere that is toxic. Peace be unto you
@@dondamon4669Depends if the boss is a budget version of Kim Jong Un🤣🤣.
@@dondamon4669 Maybe they don’t purposefully lose but just can’t go over 100% with their performances because either they just don’t fit the system or the coaching isn’t good enough that leads to more mistakes, etc. or maybe just as simple as not feeling the respect, ie. not given fair chances or rewards based on performances. Could be a lot of factors. Feeling frustrated at the coach because you know you all can be and do better makes sense to me.
(Also managers/coaches aren’t exactly the right equivalent to the real boss. The real boss at the top will always be the owners or presidents. Managers are more akin to well, managers or chief of certain branch or division for example. They can get you fired or transferred for sure, but only at the final decision of the real boss at the top who can also just fire the managers if the whole division just doesn’t function as hoped or expected)
70% of the chelsea first team and even some important subs were national captains too. They were loyal to the Chelsea course, no coach could bend their will.
Benitez benched JT, the captain of Chelsea FC since forever. That’s not the way to treat a first 11 full of international captains. It worked for Benitez to get everyone behind the tactics but he was never a long term appointment for the fans. Mikel is right. This guy… 100% wrong. Shows how strong the players were to win season after season no matter who the manager was.
He had Simon clicking through his mind “real madrid??” 🤣🤣
Simon was shook for a moment, had to gather himself 😂
Get rid of these old farts that live in the past. Really gets boring. That chelsea team had a solid base due to players who really loved performing for the club. The Trophies speak volumes no matter the manager.
With Martin's current image of the old sage of football, people seem to forget what a bloody terror he was in his playing days. He was a gifted player who took no prisoners himself when required. Don't let his mild demeanour fool you now!
I don't expect Martins to understand Mikel's point. It is a big club thing. No disrespect intended please.
The trophies speak for themselves. Stop crying and complaining.
Martin O’neil channeling his inner Roy Keane, “Do me a favour!” 🤙
Martin is bang here, John Terry wanna wake up to his past behaviour before trying to get into management
Loooool he took that too personally
I love Martin O'Neal energy!!! Man came with all the receipts... Simon smirking is too funny
Does anyone else hear Roy Keane in O’Neill here? 😂😂😂
Does not sound like an emotionally stable manager. Players will pick that up really quick!
He didn't say anything of value about what Obi said about Chelsea, nor anything of value about player power in general - but managed to make himself look/sound authoritative tho...so that was nice. 😆
You cannot ignore player power in modern football. Take it or leave it.
O'Neill didn't have to deal with player power because his managerial honours include something like 3 SPL titles, 3 or 4 Scottish cups and a league cup or 2 with Leicester back in the day... Achieved nothing in any competition of any real relevance to football other than being runner up in the UEFA Cup back in 2003. Give me a break mate.
Why is ONeill talking has if he has handled big stars. He is trying to over look it has if he has not been sacked by players. Top managers know that players dictate once they don't like your coaching style.
But Chelsea's player power won many trophies
Oneil should check Rafa Benitez records after then and tell us which club he was able to instill his discipline… character is everything, go check his last club at Celta Vigo.
We needed Simon’s input here 😂
Simon loving this, specially the Real Madrid joke.
Martin we luv you 👍👍. The best
The love and support people have been showing for that Mikel interview is hilarious. Everything they always criticise current football for yet they celebrate it when it’s players and a team of the past that they liked. Hypocritical nonsense.
You gotta remember Mikel does have a podcast now also…
So he was slightly playing to the gallery.
For instance; He kept talking about how the players were conspiring to get Rafa out, But Rafa was only an interim manager in the first place….
He was Always leaving at the end of the season, so that didn’t make any sense to me
Exactly right. It's great when it's John Terry and Frank Lampard leading the mutiny. But the media crucified Aubameyang and labelled him a cancer in the dressing room.
Even though his teammates loved him. Benitez even won them a European trophy. He wasn't a managerial nobody like Lampard twice.
The system worked, simple as. Some managers deserve the door. Like Rafa ousted JT, who 1 or 2 seasons later played every minute of a title winning season. Rafa as a managerial force was spent, and the players recognised that. I don’t particularly like it, but it worked. If more England players had had the balls, maybe they’d have ousted cappello, and won something.
It’s not a now thing, Derby players did it before they won champions league, let’s be guided
@@davidg7643 So no moral backbone, no honour, no character, no principles, all okay because only winning matters. Is that how it is David.
Barca was run like that madrid was run like that bayern was run like that milan in their prime was run like that so player power has always been key part of success
Great rant. Loved it.
Loved hearing Martin’s take there.
A straight forward fella.
And what’s your point exactly Martin? Those players won everything..
‘The players are the most important people at a football club’ just shows the egos of players these days when it’s the fans 100% without fans football is nothing
Fans are who paid the players, but it is extremely costly to replace players. Manager will always get the kick regardless, sometime it is not even because of the manager. The cheaper and better solution is to bring in a manager that can bring the team together.
Player Power been around a Long time. Wasn`t it Player Power that got the great Brian Clough sacked from Leeds Utd after 44 days.?? Clough didn`t get off 1st base with the players after he told them their medals won under Revie were won by cheating.
Which big player did Martin O'Neil coach?
Rattled 😂😂😂😂
There have been many occasions when the players run the dressing room. France team in 2006 that reached world cup final under Domenech, many believed the players run the dressing room, with leaders like Henry, Zidane, Thuram, Vieira, etc. However in 2010 it got to the point where Anelka got sent home and the players rebelled and refused to train
thas not a healthy situation mate if a team is revolting when a certain player isn't playing
@@sponish0 I don't excuse what happened in 2010. But I don't have a problem with what happened in 2006 when France got to the final with strong characters in the team running the dressing room
tbf a world cup situation is different as its just a one tournament you need to win, its not like a club which is a business running day-today you need structure and hierarchy's for clubs@@rohithraman6488
To be fair to Rafa… he did win the Europa league cup that season … so he left on a high… players did play for him!
Great segment with Martin.
6:02 Jordan having a quick shuffle while O'Neill is mid meltdown
I have always found O'Neill a bit galling. As a player, he was an annoying, snidey, charmless player. He was a negative coach and is now a pompous, patronising pundit.
At the end of the day chelsea kept winning so it didnt matter but of course ex managers and current ones hearing this would be annoyed lol
they could of won a lot more though with a different model, they defo should of won the cl between the 2005-2010 period
what 3 players is he talking about? 😂
Brilliant Martin I really enjoy you on the programme with Jim&Simon.
Oh Martin O'Neill... Let's get a few things straight pal.
1. You were never and will never be a top coach.
2. You will never manage a top club that is still competing at the top level with superstars like John Obi Mikel, John Terry, Frank Lampard, and the likes.
3. Those players had already proven their class, so if they felt a coach wasn't good enough, or if they felt they deserved to play, then they were right to do what they did.
As a matter of fact, history proves them right, especially players like John Mikel Obi and Didier Drogba who gave man of the match performances against Bayern in the Champions League final, and STILL won the EPL AGAIN with Jose Mourinho.
4. Bro, who the heck is even Martin O'Neill as a manager or coach? 😂 😂 😂 Who are you to talk? When have you ever had a level of mettle or pedigree as a coach? Please keep quiet and learn something from the star players.
5. Players are human beings, if you treat human beings with respect, they will respect you too.
If Rafa Benitez had shown respect to those players instead of high handed arrogance, then perhaps they would have tolerated him.
6. A football coach is not a dictator. Players are not your slaves or lowly subjects. If you can't treat them with respect, don't come waffling about player power you silly, old man.
7. Sort out your over-bloated ego and see a therapist Mart. You need to heal. 🧡
John Terry was the problem, as soon as he was dropped he caused trouble.
Rafa being the manager of Chelsea was the problem. Was never going to work
Can we all pray for Martin...
That he can find forgiveness in his heart for being old school and he's not employed anywhere near a football pitch...✌️
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Martin is his name mate..!!
obi is right the players are the most important part
before the video has even started Simon Jordan being the mobile phoneaholic he is, is already using his. Stop the Talksport mobile phone epidemic, quarantine everyone here, and do not let the disease spread to vulnerable people or the poor. Simon is always on his goddamn phone, i would love to know the real reason he is always glued to that phone. Maybe Netflix will make a documentary about it with such reviews saying "Visceral and Powerful" - "Edge Of Your Seat Stuff" "Simon admits what everyone already knew" - him and that mobile phone are mind-boggling. "Martin O'Neal was really furious" because he knows the truth about Simon's mobile phone....
The fact that Roman always chopped and changed managers.... What do you expect with JT bringing stability. He was use to success and understands the culture required to come into CFC
Mr. O'Neal has never been at the football club of Chelsea's statue. I understand where he comes from but we still never liked Rafa and neither did the players. He still cant forget that Chelsea beat his teams every time.
He managed Celtic, Villa and Forest, who are all European Cup winners.
The boys like Martin, he’s a good addition.
If there was no player power in those days, Chelsea would have become a mid table club after Jose left.
I wish Man Utd had such players today 😊
Martin O'Neil was full of shithousery in this interview lmao
Martin… you never went on to manage or coach Real Madrid
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No matter, if you like or dislike a certain manager your job as player is to listen to your boss.
Martin O'Neal not been realistic nd truthful here, then got sacked after a couple of game.... only to learn a week after that certain players got him sacked 😂😂😂
We were winning... That's what's important
O’Neill failed at Forest. And he’s bitter bout it.
O'Neil does not like it but he knows its true. A club brings in a player for 80 million+ . As a manager you gotta know keeping him happy is part of your job.
Same was true at Man United after Fergie stepped down.
Rio & Co gave the next managers zero chance.
Ferdinand was at the end of his career too. When a decent manager would have started benching/rotating him.
Martin is a proper football man.
Most important people at any club are the fans. Same as majority if footballers they live in a dream world
Martin O'Neill is right except we're talking about a team that could do it and then win to back it up.
People bang on about this stuff but if you look at the context the players were right on the money all the time. Mourinho and Ancelotti they never wanted out - clearly the two biggest successes - and Mourinho is a very fiery personality so plenty must have disliked him, but put up with him because he was doing well. The ones they wanted gone like Scolari, AVB, Benitez were not getting results and were alienating top players, and the ones who just let players manage themselves (Grant, Hiddink, Di Matteo) actually had the best results of all, although their periods were brief, they showed Chelsea were a team that thrived on just managing their own dressing room and being left to handle it.
nonsense mate you think players should down tools and not try if the manager isn't picking someone? they are paid to play football not play politics, if they want power to make decisions they can retire and be coaches instead
@@sponish0I didn’t mention not trying and I don’t think Mikel did either - the player power they’re talking about is having the ability to go to the owner and say they would recommend a change of coach, which I’m saying they were always right on the money with. No one mentioned not playing for the shirt, and I think that whole idea is a myth anyway, I find it very hard to believe any footballer would ever step onto a pitch and make themselves look bad by intentionally playing poorly.
lamps and terry in management you think they'd stand now for players they managing trying to get them sacked?i bet they'd think its wrong if their players did to them what they did to managers@@matthewbrock8238
Lack of player power is the reason why Martin Onel won lots of trophies as a manager. 😂
Absolutely love this from Martin O'Neill
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Hahahaha
O’Neil is a comedian 😂😂😂
Sir alex ferguson always said the most important person at the football club is the manager.
It's the truth, Rio Ferdinand told the same about David Moyes the UTD players would not accept him.
Martin's right. The way they got rid of Big Phil Scolari, a World Cup Winner, was disgraceful.
Also, Danny Murohy cackling like a school bully's maye as John Obi Mikel spoke was so cringe.
Some manager, at villa he had the fastest counter attacking team in the PL