Actually that was my mistake haha.. when you do J21 in the corner you switch sides for a second... So in order to do the ice klone you need to do df1 instead of db1
theres 1 combo that i use with sub and sareena. (any string) - sareena - jump up and use dive kick - stand 4 - sareena - back 2 (x2) - 24 - ice klone - 24 - ex dive kick - 124. idk if u used this combo yet but it does 41% with 1 bar and both kameos
You could also do Any starter string, sareena - standing 4 - sareena - back 2 (x2) - 21 - ice klone - 21+ex dive kick - jump 134. it consistently does 43 to 44%
Great video, love seeing sub zero content one question tho how are you able to pull of the ice clone to freeze the opponent in mid air after doing the JF 21 combo cause when I try in training mode Sub it is not close enough so I end up doing the ice klone a couple of inches off and not freezing the opponent. I’m a fellow Sub zero main so just wanted to ask, again great vid
the thing with subzero is that you really cant buff his damage he has a string that starts with a low and one that starts with an overhead it doesnt matter if you can do 50% damage combos if you cant start them. subzero can start them anytime basically
Love the Sub-Zero knowledge you're dishing out, like a chef if I may add. What buffs you think Sub would need to be top 10 or even top 5? Keep up the grind fam👑❄
@@FAM0US-M0NSTERS- yeah... Good point buddy... They should definitely reduce the damage scaling on ex moves then we don't need the damage buff anymore... The damage will get buffed anyways
@@Real_StarK I'd rather Sub get: 12/21 gaps removed. B2 -8 (multiple characters have far more) F1 to 12 frames startup. All these changes do is allow him to take back his turn safely jailed from pokes. Like every other character does except Quan. And it makes him have less risk to use his pressure and gameplan. -8 is still punishable but they have to actually think about it and be fast. If those don't get changed make clone safe, currently it's punishable on reaction by 98% of roster and has 60 frames from Clone fully visible till SubZero can block! His Divekick is punishable on reaction with UpBlock 40 frames from start of animation to when it hits. Instant Air Divekick point blank in face is 46 frames total. Have frame by frame breakdowns on my channel. What makes Sub bad is the high risk low reward situation of his gameplan. Anyone who knows the matchup literally takes away most of his tools and leave Sub with only F12/BF2/Slide in neutral and can only use Clone/Divekick as punisher/reactionary/combos. You do poke into clone and it can work against mashers but if they don't Sub literally dies for it with 30%-50% HP lost. The fact he risks losing neutral and being at knockdown disadvantage from simply taking his turn back with D1 into jailed high string is very limiting. If I had to just choose two buffs I'd pick: Clone safe 12 & 21 jail to second hit removing Gap People don't understand Kameos have invulnerability on reversal moves and come instantly back, it's essentially a free way to punish gaps and stop pressure while giving them OKI. They don't have to spend BAR to blow up every string Sub Zero has.
@@Real_StarKI wouldn't make his B2 a Kara Throw Cancel but I would make it safe. For those who didn't read my long post, I feel Sub deserves these 3 buffs: • F1 to 12f startup. • B2 to -7/-8 on block. • remove 12 & 21 gap by making the jail to second hit. [These changes are the standard for the upper half of the roster and many characters have much much more to work with, don't feel this is unreasonable to ask for safe ways to take turn back and have his overhead be safe(-7) or almost safe(-8) because currently he's one of the only ones with a unsafe reactable 24f startup OH] The super buff I'd love requires two things: • Subs meterless Clone is safe against Johnny's EX ShadowKick. • Ice Ball is now 25 frame startup and combos from 12/21/F12 with reduced damage scaling. Bonus Change: • Slide no longer has 6 frames of forced stand animation on startup. Giving Sub the ability to counter/low profile high projectiles on reaction and not get clipped.
Yeah. You know when you open up with dive kick into your one bar combo if you do 1 2 after normal dive kick you get 376 damage instead of doing 2 1 which gives you 370
For the additional skins u have to go back through invasion mode and go to where u can use the cyromancer heart. Then do the fights till u fight subzero or use a ornate key for his additional palettes
By no means am i good at the game but i consider myself at least a bit above average with sub zero and when i play him on ranked its always funny how ppl rage when i beat them lol i even had multiple occasions where ppl would talk shit before the game even starts saying its a easy win because im playing sub. 😂
10:44 haha classic corner ice ball 😂 nrs please fix thi
Actually that was my mistake haha.. when you do J21 in the corner you switch sides for a second... So in order to do the ice klone you need to do df1 instead of db1
omfg that's why I keep doing the Ice Ball in the corner bruhhhh thank you!@@Real_StarK
@@kevinlonnestrom 😉
theres 1 combo that i use with sub and sareena. (any string) - sareena - jump up and use dive kick - stand 4 - sareena - back 2 (x2) - 24 - ice klone - 24 - ex dive kick - 124. idk if u used this combo yet but it does 41% with 1 bar and both kameos
You could also do Any starter string, sareena - standing 4 - sareena - back 2 (x2) - 21 - ice klone - 21+ex dive kick - jump 134. it consistently does 43 to 44%
Nice combos brothers
the corner carry goes crazy ‼️‼️
yea on my channel i got a pretty optimal combo. 61 hits 142 damage.
@@4touchdowns1game29 BRUH haha🤣
Bro must work at chipotle cause he be wrapping them boys 🔥😇
LMAOO
You’re definitely the best sub zero I’ve seen
Thanks buddy
the intro goes hard asf bro
Thanks man
That Shao player didn’t know what he was doing with Shao! I’d like to see what his actual rank was
He was at grandmasters
Great video, love seeing sub zero content one question tho how are you able to pull of the ice clone to freeze the opponent in mid air after doing the JF 21 combo cause when I try in training mode Sub it is not close enough so I end up doing the ice klone a couple of inches off and not freezing the opponent. I’m a fellow Sub zero main so just wanted to ask, again great vid
You need to connect the 2nd B2 as fast as possible so that your opponent is too high in the air...
the thing with subzero is that you really cant buff his damage
he has a string that starts with a low and one that starts with an overhead
it doesnt matter if you can do 50% damage combos if you cant start them. subzero can start them anytime basically
That's why sub zero got actual 50/50s which lead to almost 43% damage with sareena on board
I think they need to reduce scaling for deadly vapors(df4)
bro which low starting string can convert into a combo?? i just do the b2 every damn time
B3 into sareena leads to low combo starter
Idk if anyone's said it yet but your into is amazing. 🔥
Thanks dude
Love the Sub-Zero knowledge you're dishing out, like a chef if I may add. What buffs you think Sub would need to be top 10 or even top 5? Keep up the grind fam👑❄
My suggested buffs for sub are-:
1. Make his 212, 122 faster
2. Make B2 cancellable like Rain's F3 overhead into throw.
3. Damage buff like 1-2%
How about his EX moves not scale so horribly he does less damage the more he extends his combos. Nobody else has that problem
@@FAM0US-M0NSTERS- yeah... Good point buddy... They should definitely reduce the damage scaling on ex moves then we don't need the damage buff anymore... The damage will get buffed anyways
@@Real_StarK
I'd rather Sub get:
12/21 gaps removed.
B2 -8 (multiple characters have far more)
F1 to 12 frames startup.
All these changes do is allow him to take back his turn safely jailed from pokes. Like every other character does except Quan.
And it makes him have less risk to use his pressure and gameplan. -8 is still punishable but they have to actually think about it and be fast.
If those don't get changed make clone safe, currently it's punishable on reaction by 98% of roster and has 60 frames from Clone fully visible till SubZero can block!
His Divekick is punishable on reaction with UpBlock 40 frames from start of animation to when it hits. Instant Air Divekick point blank in face is 46 frames total.
Have frame by frame breakdowns on my channel.
What makes Sub bad is the high risk low reward situation of his gameplan. Anyone who knows the matchup literally takes away most of his tools and leave Sub with only F12/BF2/Slide in neutral and can only use Clone/Divekick as punisher/reactionary/combos.
You do poke into clone and it can work against mashers but if they don't Sub literally dies for it with 30%-50% HP lost.
The fact he risks losing neutral and being at knockdown disadvantage from simply taking his turn back with D1 into jailed high string is very limiting.
If I had to just choose two buffs I'd pick:
Clone safe
12 & 21 jail to second hit removing Gap
People don't understand Kameos have invulnerability on reversal moves and come instantly back, it's essentially a free way to punish gaps and stop pressure while giving them OKI. They don't have to spend BAR to blow up every string Sub Zero has.
@@Real_StarKI wouldn't make his B2 a Kara Throw Cancel but I would make it safe.
For those who didn't read my long post, I feel Sub deserves these 3 buffs:
• F1 to 12f startup.
• B2 to -7/-8 on block.
• remove 12 & 21 gap by making the jail to second hit.
[These changes are the standard for the upper half of the roster and many characters have much much more to work with, don't feel this is unreasonable to ask for safe ways to take turn back and have his overhead be safe(-7) or almost safe(-8) because currently he's one of the only ones with a unsafe reactable 24f startup OH]
The super buff I'd love requires two things:
• Subs meterless Clone is safe against Johnny's EX ShadowKick.
• Ice Ball is now 25 frame startup and combos from 12/21/F12 with reduced damage scaling.
Bonus Change:
• Slide no longer has 6 frames of forced stand animation on startup. Giving Sub the ability to counter/low profile high projectiles on reaction and not get clipped.
Damn dude that was fire
Best sub-zero player I’ve ever seen
It means a lot to me buddy ❤️
Thanks for watching
How u freeze them wen u got them in the air. I only get it at corner but else isa nope
You need to connect the 2nd B2 as fast as possible so that the opponent maintains maximum height for the ice klone to connect
Currently who are the top 5 most op characters in the game?
Johnny Ashrah Sindel Kenshi are top 4 imo
Kenshi
Johnny
Ashrah
Sindel (until lao kameo gets nerfed)
Raiden
@@Real_StarK Eyes on your own paper
@@darthxxo 👀
@@Real_StarK honorable mentions: mileena,shang tsung,geras(when lao gets nerfed probably geras will be top 5)
Also shang tsung >> ashrah In my opinion
I was labbing with sub and saw that if you do his 1 2 string instead of his 2 1 string after dive kick it does a little more damage
I have tried it myself and I guess 21 does more damage... But anyways I'll try it again .. thanks man
Yeah. You know when you open up with dive kick into your one bar combo if you do 1 2 after normal dive kick you get 376 damage instead of doing 2 1 which gives you 370
How did u get that golden sub zero skin?
Defeat sub zero in the left side of the klue chest in Tarkatan Colony cryomancer heart gate
@@Real_StarK thanks!
Respect sub zero drip.
Thanks buddy
I don't play MK1 but do watch alot of video this is different you are good bro
Thanks man
Especially with the damage buff, he is great now.
Still... Buff Sub-Zero
@@Real_StarK Real, Kenshi. I agree with that one.
Do you all know sikander?
That guy is also very good with subzero 🥶🥶🥶
Yeah we know sikander... He's definitely really good with sub 🙌
dude how are you getting these other colours for the new invasions skin???
For the additional skins u have to go back through invasion mode and go to where u can use the cyromancer heart. Then do the fights till u fight subzero or use a ornate key for his additional palettes
@@jdh1354 ohhh okay! thanks 🙏🏼 🎉
Exactly
bro is doing this at 210 ping JEEEEZ
I play on this ping all day haha... I am used to it now
how do you get that gold sub skin?
tarkatan camp ice wall
Tarkatan Colony... Cryomancer heart gate... On the right side of the klue chest is a sub zero boss fight
By no means am i good at the game but i consider myself at least a bit above average with sub zero and when i play him on ranked its always funny how ppl rage when i beat them lol i even had multiple occasions where ppl would talk shit before the game even starts saying its a easy win because im playing sub. 😂
They can't handle the loss from a low tier character 🤣
Big fan, I play on Xbox if you’d ever be down. Not at your level but I sure do like playing really good people
Sure man... Send me a request a we'll play together
Amazing guide can you do a sub zero guide please 😅
I'll make one soon bro... Stay tuned with the channel 😀
@@Real_StarK okay thank you
that general lost every single game 😭
But he was really good i must say.. his hit confirms were on point
Why no commentary
I don't have any mic setups bro... If I try to record with my airpods they capture the sound of the controller buttons too
Hey yo would you like to play a set against each other, I’m on ps5
I am on xbox bro
@@Real_StarK oh my bad good video though
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BI HAN THE KING OF MIXUPS? That guy has been trash at mix ups since MK Deception. MK1 Bi Han tho MWAH
Bro doesn't know about mk11 Sub-zero 💀
@@Real_StarK i mean mk11 wasn't Bi Han sooo technically they ain't wrong lmao
Y’all want to 1v1? I feel like exposing people
He needs to be nerfed.
Buff Sub-Zero 😉
@@Real_StarK There's no need! He's an easy character and he's mid.