Dealing with emotions in my brain whilst keeping a poker face. Because I'm worried that my response will be misunderstood or out of place. We have a couple of oddballs in the family so there is definitely a genetic component to my schizotypal. But as a child I was neglected emotionally, probably contributing to it. I can remember hiding under the tablecloths at children's parties, staring at the other kids, wanting to join in the fun but somehow not being able too. As a teenager I was made fun of and teased relentlessly being called a weirdo/nerd/freak. So I was actually turned against very often. Being classified as highly gifted I nevertheless failed to make a longstanding success of anything. As soon as I start mastering something I loose interest and pursue something different. Also, in the work and academic environment I struggle to get along with people. I feel out of place, not belonging. Apparently my give away is my speech. The way I talk slowly and the precise language and pronunciation I use, which I was not aware of until pointed out. Anyway, it is good to know I'm not totally alone in this and also not a total nutcase.
I love how consistently this stuff leads to finding relatable, fascinating, thoughtful people, and I think it makes it easier to wear the nerdy and weird tags with pride! I think you may have just shined a light on something I still have to work on with my psychologist, that being the "language impairment" side of this, because even though I think I am articulate there is something askew with how I am communicating with people. I feel like some of this ends up being a hodgepodge of things we can adjust for and things we can't, as well as fighting what I want to describe as an emotional temperament where I expect not to belong. Then there is like a stew of the ADHD problem of not sticking to certain things and the avolition that I think sometimes haunts the Schizotypal side, and maybe they are usually mixed together in different combinations. I am still sorting some of this out myself, but I think we deserve to give ourselves a bit of peace and to feel good about ourselves, so the journey continues! Great thoughts for people to reflect on, thank you!
@@Hinsoog I totally have issues with what I call logically. I know what I am saying is articulate and logical (at least to me) but sometimes people look at me with this strange gaze like I just stepped off of a time machine from some other century. I think that I think faster than the words I am able to use to express myself which means no one else understands me either. I know now that when people just sort of look at me after something I have said, I'm probably not being as logical as I think I am. I suppose that is the type of 'language impairment' you are talking about...or maybe not?
@@catherinemccarty2307 Yeah, absolutely! In fact, the more I think about it, the more I feel like I have already identified this "language impairment" as Schizotypal, because I think there is an expectation with Schizotypal that sometimes the things said are so overly abstract or so obscurely intellectual-seeming that the listener/reader is then basically left to "decode" what was communicated to them, and of course that's the case for me. I feel like I at least partially dealt with this in the past when I realized that I'm not the most considerate of my readers when I leave them a little too adrift in whatever it was I was trying to communicate, so then it's like I have to take extra special care to "logically" (maybe bringing it full circle with your use of the word) step through ideas for proper consumption. It's a little hilarious that I think I'm at risk of doing it while just trying to describe the issue, heheh. So I feel like this comes pretty close to settling the issue as something that fits better on the schizophrenia-spectrum side of things, but, it's still a little messy because I can imagine someone with Autism Spectrum Disorder getting so wound up about a special interest that their monologue about it leaves their listener/reader bewildered. So maybe it's just another thing that overlaps in a curious way, but I think we basically uncovered something that makes more sense in the schizophrenia-spectrum category. Fascinating stuff, thank you for this opportunity to shine a light on it!
this need so many more views dude. you are doing an amazing job. i wish we could hang out. you are one of the only male people ive been able to say that about.
Oof thank you, it's easy to forget that some of us are getting something out of it, and though sometimes I think its existence is giving me some kind of complex I'm glad it's out there. On the Schizotypal subreddit every now and then someone will express an interest in meetups, but it would be complicated, because you could conceivably have the people who would be basically vibrating with anxiety, someone like me cackling about something insane, and some guy describing the process of removing organs from an abdomen for no clear reason, all right in a row. And then I think most of us have really, really damaged attachment styles, so you could have extremely anxious attachment types mixing with avoidant attachment styles and deeply Schizoid people. One of the defining traits of Schizotypal is to be very uncomfortable being close to other people, and it seems like if the other person was Schizotypal then it could be a safe way to explore, but who knows what the reality of the situation would actually be. That said, I don't think I would subject someone with a healthy attachment style with a relationship to myself, so it's like like-minded people search for compatibility in each other anyways.
Yeah it's interesting! I have seen some people consider Bipolar to be on a similar scale with schizoaffective since it appears that there may be a link between them with rapid cycling. There was a discussion on r/Schizotypal with an idea by Go_On_Swan that suggested that maybe there could be like two versions of Schizotypal, one that is like a Diet schizophrenia, and one that is like a Diet schizoaffective, and that seems like a great way to think about it to me! It's great to hear from you, thank you! 😊
@@Hinsoog I had no idea one could have ASD and Stpd! I read that they can't be diagnosed together, but clearly they can be since you have been diagnosed with both.
@@LadyBug-ky6qu So I am tempted to bury you in text about why they are different enough but also overlap enough in a way that it makes sense that they probably shouldn't be diagnosed together (like two different flavors of "social disconnectedness" where Schizotypal is a little more likely to float off the earth in abstraction, have Ideas of Reference, and have attachment style damage and high trait neuroticism, etc. though I am sure autism spectrum people have a sort of paranoid ideation and so forth too just going through life feeling different), but, if we want to use the ICD as the authority, technically "Asperger's Syndrome" is only a "Type 2 Exclude" for Schizotypal, meaning that they are indeed separate conditions, but the patient may still have both at the same time.
Thank you! It's a fun coincidence that you write this just as they are releasing a new album. Plus if anyone reading is interested, Heilung just did some stuff for Senua's Saga: Hellblade II, which is such a perfect match.
I am glad to hear that you found your diagnosis "kind of exciting." About eight years ago when I got my diagnosis, I felt good about it. All my life I've been struggling with issues especially related to being around people; I always liked to be alone, but felt very embarrassed that others thought it as odd. So, I went to a NAMI meeting. I was going to do their program. We were all discussing our mental illnesses, and I was so excited that I proudly mentioned mine (dysthymia with AvPD and SPD); they thought that this was very strange. They were not very accepting, and the one woman in charge was actually mean; no empathy (she suffered from major depressive disorder). The guy asked me: "What are you doing here?" Although, he seemed genuinely interested, I felt dumbfounded. I could not answer his question. I stopped the program after three visits.
Wow, that's fascinating! Thank you for sharing, because I expect something similar could happen to me, and I can even picture some enthusiasm in telling them about Schizotypal. Maybe it could work if I considered myself also playing the role of therapist, because the thing that's a little vexing about imagining that is I can imagine the beginnings of working with the topic, like forming strategies for not feeling suffocated by an intimate relationship and so forth, which also seems extremely related to stuff depressed people could like to discuss, like feeling comfortable approaching a relationship at all in some cases, like the paralyzing psychic weight of certain types of relationships just has to relate them somehow. This even fits some of my expectations of depressed people, because the most fiercely depressed people I have ever meet seem almost immediately agitated by people. Jeeze, NAMI fail. Though I am definitely intrigued to find out that they have groups in my state. Thank you!
Schizotypal doesn't seem to be recognized in my state of Connecticut, I discovered schizotypal in 2015 and been chasing after doctors and none of them brung it up, I was misdiagnosed as "schizoaffective" but I don't hear voices, and my moods aren't random, it's usually a reaction to the environment, I think I'm just spiritual and my paranoia usually has evidence so it's probably pseudo paranoia. I'm at this point to where I'm probably not schizotypal or schizoanything anymore, I don't believe it's health anxiety, because doctors never denied me having schizotypal, health anxiety is like, you go to doctors, they say "no", and you're still chasing them, for me, it's like, mental health doctors don't confirm or deny me having schizotypal, they don't say anything AT ALL. I just think I'm right about ghosts, the afterlife, and maybe extraterrestrials, I'm pretty confident in my beliefs, so maybe I'm just delusional, I can be talked out of my beliefs, but not usually, the only label I relate to is "multiple complex developmental disorder", I made a video reading the traits of it on Wikipedia. I'm at this point where I have no label and honestly, I don't care, I don't have labels for other things too, like no political or religious label or anything really.
It's a fascinating perspective, and actually you mentioned something that I think could be aspirational for people not at peace with their label, and it's that you can be talked out of your beliefs which is one of the things I've read can define Schizotypal since you can update your perspective with new information whereas full delusions are rigid and impenetrable. In fact I'd argue that in some cases if some Schizotypal people get used to protecting against getting carried away with various ideas I think it can eventually produce quite a rational mind with various pillars of rationality to grip onto or flesh out producing a person more fluid in digesting perspectives than many neurotypical people. It's sort of funny that the way I sometimes try to make Schizotypal seem like some kind of mysterious superpower is a bit symptomatic of me, but that said, I respect and admire your kicking of this label habit. I think one potential benefit for the Schizotypal and Autism Spectrum Disorder labels is I have seen it give some comfort to people who have felt weird or alien in the world for various reasons and then they feel less alone to discover stuff like this that almost seems to come with a reminder to keep an eye out for pitfalls such as risks associated with isolation, paranoid ideation, and so on, though I think I have caught myself using it as excuse for indulging in solitude more often than I should. Thank you for the great perspective!
What if you get visions and they always become true. They say its part of schizotypical but since there isnt enough information what if some of the stuff is related to being quite psychic or spiritually aware/gifted if it can be proven
Well it would be exciting if anything related to that was proven, I feel like many of us have some sense of romance about our intuition, and it would be thrilling if the relationship consciousness has on reality has any of the power so many suspect it has. But if this sort of thing starts causing issues beyond the sense curiosity and romance, I feel like the key is to look into "confirmation bias," which is a huge human problem where, for example, if someone is invested in some idea or is actively looking for it enough, it's possible to keep finding evidence of the idea and strengthen it even if it's not true. It's such a big problem that I think it's why falsifiability is so important in the scientific method, so that it guarantees that helpful or accurate ideas move forward and we don't lose progress on things that we have made impossible to disprove even if they aren't true. That said, intuition can guide us into all sorts of things, and it's always possible to uncover something new, so I think it makes sense to the wonder alive.
I appreciate that! I think I am basically nice, I just come across as weird to whatever number of people and put energy into securing quite a bit of alone time, which I think inadvertently translates as coldness to some personalities. Thank you for the kind words, I feel like I can sense warmth in you.
@@Hinsoogits ok. you seem very introspective and understanding. i think i can relate to you somewhat. i have also been called weird for my behaviour and cold and rejecting because i prefer to be alone. i do not have schizotypal personality disorder but i suspect i have AVPD. i feel very uncomfortable around others and avoid being around them because i fear embarrassment and rejection... so i guess i can understand people perceiving me as cold. Thank you for making this video and sharing your thoughts.
Hey, I still watch some of your videos by the way! Yep, I will make more, though I have run into an obstacle I am still sort of resolving I can show you with a link to the subreddit below if you're curious. I think that is only a partial explanation though, because some salvos of depression have been launched at me recently, and mindfulness meditation is sort of keeping me above the depression waters, but it's a little iffy. I will get there. Here is a conceptual obstacle I mentioned: www.reddit.com/r/Schizotypal/comments/yxgc5z/possible_problem_with_this_diagnosiss_use_and/?context=3
@@Hinsoog awww I’m flattered!! I’m glad you still enjoy my vids! I feel the quality has tanked lately lmao and I’m glad you’re still making videos! I find them so interesting. I’ve even shown a bunch of my friends them haha But your post is something the cluster b community struggle with a lot too. It’s hard drawing a line in terms of gate keeping. I have a nasty habit of dismissing anyone who’s not diagnosed. And in some cases that’s super damaging cause of the misinformation present in even clinicians, and some people may not have the resources to get one. And the issues of functioning. Some people are so messed up they can’t go a day without flipping out. Some can’t hold down a job and rely on their parents. Meanwhile some are doctors, CEOs, investors etc etc how messed up does your life have to be to be a disorder? Personally I think it comes down to personal suffering. Am I suffering because of these tendencies? Do I feel a need to get treatment and help to deal with it? Nobody can tell anyone how much they suffer. So I think if there’s any desire to get help then it qualifies. @healnpd told me an interesting thing. In psychoanalysis there’s three levels of functioning for all personality disorders. Neurotic, borderline(not the disorder), and psychotic. For example if you’re in the neurotic level of functioning you can hold down a job, your symptoms aren’t impacting your relationships to a super extreme degree etc. But you’re still gonna have very symptomatic moments. And you can delve back into borderline and psychotic functioning and vise versa. Everyone has different levels of severity. It’s the nature of the thing, it’s a spectrum. But that doesn’t mean someone shouldn’t be included in getting support and understanding just cause their life isn’t a complete wreck lmao I hope all that made sense and have a little clarity haha I hope everything works out for you man!
@@Thenamelessnarcissist Wow, super great points, agreed! I LOVE the psychoanalysis framing!! Because anyone even flirting with the idea of having a personality disorder is probably at least neurotic, so it kind of takes the chains off, and then people are less likely to attempt to star in their own movie about who is the most mentally ill, heheh. It's sort of funny, because we know we have at least a couple of PhDs who frequent the Schizotypal subreddit, and some working on their Master's, so considering that some are homeless that's quite a range, heheh. Thank you for the insights, it's good to hear from you, and see you around!
Hey! Yeah I'm game for talking and probably could be a good source for playing with these ideas, because yeah, the Enneagram, personality theory, and all of this is fascinating probably for both of us! I guess the question is where talking is most comfortable, because other than forums maybe the best way is to either go to messages either on Reddit or Twitter. Here is my Reddit link: www.reddit.com/user/Hinsoog
Glad to hear someone saying that its kinda fun to do a deep dive into one's mental health. I have schizo-effective disorder and one thing I have learned along the way in a very intimate way is that you have to teach people how to treat you. Maybe not in a formal way but if you don't start expressing your needs, who else is going to tell people. Most of us don't interact with the world the same way as a 'square'. You gotta help them to understand. You might appreciate this quote from Wikkuard...I find it amusing that were all pretending to be normal when we could be insanely in interesting! Looking forward to catching up on your previous videos.
Oof, I love what you wrote, and it's the sort of thing that will definitely help someone to read! You might enjoy hearing about something really interesting that keeps happening on r/Schizotypal, we have people from all corners of the schizophrenia spectrum on there and with surprising frequency people with schizoaffective disorder tend to be some of the most relatable and vice versa (one of them told me that nearly everything I wrote seemed like it could have come from them, and I often feel the same)! Maybe we should change the name to "Outrageously Thoughtful and Sensitive Re-Order," haha! The way you frame it is really great though, because it always feels like it should be possible to sort of build out a way to keep everyone's needs met and to keep both party's feeling reassured, loved, and feeling like real partners while still basically autonomous with adequate boundaries and a sense of peace and stability, perhaps with strategies for dealing with times when one person needs quiet alone time or weathering the storms of depressive and manic phases. Such a sprawling topic! I pretty much live in my head at this point, so choose insanely interesting! 😄 Thank you!!
I’m a 31 year old lady from Canada currently going through the diagnostic process for schizotypy and autism. Once I have my diagnosis on paper I will join you in making UA-cam videos about my experience with this rare mix of disorders. ( I’m an INFJ-A and 4w5 ) ♦️
Oh nice, I will look forward to your content if you do, I feel like I've digested and enjoyed almost every morsel of content related to Schizotypal out there. I think the thing that makes the situation complicated is Schizotypal pretty much does come with a version of autism in the way that it contains a social disconnectedness, and a sort of thinking that isn't automatically anchored in the social world, which I suppose is a safeguard for neurotypical people who probably embrace social feedback as a saving grace, whereas the Schizotypal person may be bounding around in their internal world with internal frameworks that might have some loose connections or some troublesome thought patterns (whether from trauma or being neurotic enough to look so much for problems as to find them where none exist, or whatever else). I also suspect that the way people are using Autism Spectrum Disorder on the mild end might actually just be taking over the Schizotypal diagnosis in some cases , and it's not like there are a shortage of people identified with Autism Spectrum Disorder who also have damaged attachment styles or are escaping from a conventional social world in some way, so we have found quite the rabbit hole to tumble down! Enjoy your journey!
Have you studied Jung? It is the real meat behind MBTI (Jung never personally accepted MBTI). Essentially, I'd say that Jung's description of introverted intuition is very much (in its most archetypal severe form) is just like autism spectrum (mainly having extremely narrow sensory channel leading to sensory problems and misunderstandings in terms over concretizing aka failing to actually be concrete... nuanced understanding is very important here). Funnily enough, it seems to encompass some schizophrenic spectrum features too (such as being a prophet). To get breadth, you'll also need to get extraverted intuition. In essence, two opposite forces competing over the same mental space, which should be exhausting and should lead to a personal dysfunction from a normative perspective. So, what I'm saying is that stepping outside tight typological boxes is important here (I'm not negating an innate type here) as such a horseshoe person has to have serious balancing problems. As a person, Jung seemed to have both flairs but had those under control, while being an introverted thinker primarily.
It's funny, there was a time in the past where I would have probably put quite a bit of energy into explaining and defending the specific order of the MBTI trait functions, including the introverted and extraverted versions, and some of the ideas definitely have value (like it makes sense to imagine INTP types with underdeveloped Fe in all its social appropriate bits and so forth), but the value of the Big Five combined with how it more neatly swallows up some of the conflicts often articulated with MBTI seem like it demystifies quite a bit of the hyper-specific stuff. Like I have seen a psychology resource suggesting that people with very high trait openness, perhaps excessively high, are at risk of "magical thinking," which is just such a lovely way to frame one of my perceived conflicts with sensors versus intuitive types, and there are lots of examples like that. I haven't formally studied Jung outside of blurbs you get in various psychology resources, but in a way it feels like I'm in the thicket of it considering the amount of psychology content I consume and the inspirations for it (like listening to a lot of Jordan Peterson content for example). So, as in Jungian psychology, I think I am circumambulating around Jung like an object being pulled in by gravity. Interesting thought about the sensory channel, I think I will definitely reflect on that a lot since it's something that can explain some of my quirks pretty well, though I think I am fittingly high in trait openness/intellectual curiosity that we would probably usually expect in intuitive types, and I have probably more than my share of moments that probably can be described as clairvoyance-like experiences, or humoring certain trains of thought as prophet-like. Fascinating stuff, thank you!
Only half way through but I'M LOVING THIS. Just hearing your thoughts on things are so interesting, and looks at it in a way I never would've thought of. I think it was really interesting how you said you can kinda tell your emotions are scrambling your thoughts, cause being cluster B it feels almost like my thoughts are emotions if that makes sense. I have my rational brain which I know is how I'm "supposed" to think, then my emotional brain which is like, my instincts and natural way of thinking. (Which I'm still not convinced is even an illegitimate way to perceive the world.) I guess it's hard to imagine my emotions like... Affecting the thoughts? Instead of my thoughts focused around emotions? If that makes sense? Regardless keep up the good work!
Thank you for the "self-esteem juice" (using your fantastic way to frame that, click on The Nameless Narcissist for insightful talk about NPD)! And I think I see what you mean! It makes me think it's at least possible that my need to separate my emotional brain as scrambled is actually putting me at risk in some ways when I'm not giving my emotions some kind of natural outlet, like I suspect it provides an advantage, but maybe I sacrifice some amount of authenticity for it. It's a great thought worth reflecting on, thank you! I just commented on one of your videos with an extremely brave theme, and I don't know how I can do the sex topic justice. Thank you again!
@@Hinsoog Howdy Hinsoog, haven't had time yet to watch your new vid cause Nameless is hosting another stream in a few. Lol. Hope you'll join us again, it was great having you there last time! 😁
@@religiohominilupus5259 Oh sweet that's good to hear, in that case I should be able to make some of them! I think Nameless has a hit on his hands with those!
24:27 - I do appreciate you not deleting and starting again! I think I'd be the same but I'm so glad to see when people don't feel the need to do this! Just shows our humanness, which is so beneficial to see more of! 👌🏾
Hey our diagnoses are similar! I have adhd-c, bipolar ii, schizotypal, OCD, PTSD, SAD and GAD. It sounds like a lot and very dramatic and intense but I can truly see elements of myself in each. If I were a pie, those diagnoses would be a slice, that’s how I understand it. Neurologist recommended a mood stabilizer and I agree.
Hey just wrote to you elsewhere but wanted to mention that yeah, they are surprisingly similar! I feel like OCD in particular seems to overlap in some surprising ways. I have seen a UA-cam video about Schizotypal that wanted to suggest that Schizotypal and the Bipolar spectrum should be distinguished, but it's clear that Schizotypal often has hypomanic features.
wow... i want to say a million things right now but.. just came across ur channel after typing austism infp im a female INFP-A/ADHD, but started looking into autism (a few days ago) cause most of my friends have that, and i thought as an act of affection i would try to understand them more so i can communicate with them better, and now im giggling cause typing that out made me realize even more that its such an autistic trait to do lmaooo anyway ive been questioning my entire recently and watching ur infp vid, it was like u were reading my mind, cause i was thinking of the same that infp just have autistic traits but might not nessecarily be austistic, then watching another vid of urs and then especially this one was like wow, kinda felt.. healing of some sort to see someone with this much awareness of themselves voice it out, i could listen to you talk for hours, so ye i do want to say a million things right now but.. this might take a bit to process and read/watch more into.. i wonder if my mum and my other 2 brothers being diagnosed with schizophrenia might have something to do with how much im relating to ur schizotypal part, because im sure i dont have schizophrenia knowing what my mum and brothers went through.. but i wonder if its genetic and elements of schizotypal might be engraved in me.. hmm.. ill go back to pondering in my head for abit.. oh man, it took me almost 2 months to process things after finding out i had ADHD last year, now again i keep finding myself visiting my past memories again to try and make sense of it all.. i think that's the most exhausting part gonna need a break and go back into reading other random topics i was indulged in before i found myself diving into psychology 😭 anyway im glad i found you, you've opened my eyes and mind, and will def have this subject on a side tab that'll ill hopefully get back to in the future once my emotional energy is recharged again
I love it, thank you for the sweet response with a familiar INFP vibe that resonates with me in return, like for example, it's difficult to articulate why, but the wording of "as an act of affection" seems straight out of my own heart. I suppose one thing that's probably true of many INFP types is that they probably are rarely not welcoming of quirkiness that comes from other people, even when it comes in autistic or Schizotypal-esque flavors, and probably have a mind that's so open and thoughtful that it's easy enough to relate to those quirky traits themselves, so maybe you're like a save haven for neurodivergence. A thought I had is I think INFP types are probably generally more likely than many types to be critical of themselves in a way that they'd search for traits of the disorders inside of themselves to the point of seemingly finding them, which in my case is basically on point, but I think the fullest "personality disorder" part of Schizotypal has a vibe that's alienating to many types of people who prize normalness to an extreme, and my guess just from this is even if you had a level of quirkiness or did end up identifying with some Schizotypal traits that your INFP aura probably doesn't have the alienating element. It feels like I should say that for the sake of INFP types reading this sort of thing too who might be too self-critical, because I bet INFP types higher in trait neuroticism will look for issues to the point of finding them when they may not really be there. Thank you again for this comment!
This video is what I have been looking for ❤ . Diagnosed with OCPD,StPD (but then saying they do not want to label me now as having StPD since things are still hard to separate from my OCPD symptoms as they overlap) a suspect ASD and ADHD
Oh interesting, there are things about OCPD that are really relatable for me, but the scale of it is super off, because for example, while OCPD people are generally expected to be so overly high in trait conscientiousness that they tyrannize themselves to work super hard and be productive and industrious, and I do relate in that I feel bad that I'm not personally a workaholic, in fact I think the reality is I'm the opposite of a workaholic despite probably having a complex about it. Something you might find interesting, I was reading a therapist's post on Quora about someone with OCPD, and they admitted to feeling more powerless to help the person than they have ever felt, because the person with OCPD exhaustively studied every angle of every part of their issues in a way that was basically impenetrable to the therapist, leaving them powerless to uncover some angle that could help them. It's curious, because I think perhaps part of the therapy could have been something like exposure therapy for living with some scale of uncertainty, some scale of doubt and imperfection, and to just study the person's feverish mind manufacturing the stress of some kind of rigid chase. I have a feeling the OCPD people are some of the ones that hold themselves to such impossible standards that they tyrannize themselves to the point of psychosomatic illness, like people who get cancer early because they stress themselves to the core and don't leave themselves any other option. Just some thoughts though. Good luck on your journey, and don't be too hard on yourself!
Wow..My therapist actually asked what I really wanted out of this therapy in our last session because she said that I already know everything she knows,and what I needed to know myself,I know it is sometimes exhausting for her,and last time my Psychiatrist just straight up told me that he believe he is not helping me much,I used to discuss everything they wrote on my paper with them including the different therapy techniques and sometimes I argue with them,and I don't feel great about that but I had to because I know their purposes but there is always this feeling of believing there is nothing wrong with me,but now that I am still in my diagnostic process,I want to know my assessment results so bad that I cannot just leave.Now my therapist decided on exposure therapy and I agree to that. Another thing,my Pschiatrist and my therapist were pretty confused about my previous assessment results because I was really high on OCPD,besides StPD,but my compulsivity is really high as well to the point that they inhibit each other,they discussed and assessed me further if it could be a reaction formation and took my history further,but it is not a reaction formation so now I am a suspect ASD and ADHD.Anyway thank you,so great to hear these things from you.Take care🥂
@@wisteria1739 I just double checked my own evaluation, and it does have features of OCPD listed in there, but seems my psychologist opted not to diagnose it. But I definitely do have OCD, so there is that. This reminded me that I saw a graphic about personality disorders recently where there was a system of connecting some of them, and there was an arrow drawn from Schizoid to Schizotypal, but also from Schizoid to "Hypochondriacal." And considering that OCD can be comorbid with both Schizotypal and Schizoid, it makes me think that, just as perhaps we can often have this intense reoccurring concern with health, probably something similar happens with psych labels. Interestingly that same constellation of arrows did also lead to OCPD, but it led upwards where there was very mild severity in terms of "Borderline Personality Organization," which is a good thing for stability.
😊 Yeah I like other people with Schizotypal too. Sometimes it's just a matter of sorting out hurt feelings on occasions when the person inadvertently directs their probable impulse to be suspicious towards someone who likes them, because trust can be a complicated thing on this spectrum.
@@Hinsoog super interesting to hear that. I am currently seeing someone and I think they have some schizotypal traits. I adore them, but they are not easy to trust.
@@MAzurburg Sorry to hear that by the way. It's really a pretty big problem, putting aside the headscratcher of what or who brought on this particular trust issue, maybe you already know that trust is the foundation of a relationship/partnership, so if this continues and you really do find it hard to trust them, you should probably let them go for their sake as much as yours. Plus if they are actually Schizotypal, it's possible they just want to be alone.
Apparently Borderline and Schizotypal used to be indistinguishable from one another within psychiatry long long ago, and eventually they each came into their own disorders and BPD was a new thing. I saw it on a comment on the subreddit at one point.
Yeah I have even heard this from professionals online, this thought that there isn't anything that meaningfully distinguishes Borderline and Schizotypal. In fact, every now and then I will come across someone with Borderline online who thinks they have Autism Spectrum Disorder which has generally struck me as being more of a problem for differential diagnosis for Schizotypal, but, it seems that Borderline folks are at risk of feeling something like "social disconnectedness" too, and I often get the impression that Borderline people are getting tagged as "weird" pretty often too. The most striking one if you ask me is both of them definitely have damage done to their attachment style, and they probably both share either an anxious attachment style or a disorganized attachment style. What's more, after having either of those damaged attachment styles people in both camps still seem pretty likely to start preferring solitude (probably this is at least more likely with Schizotypal). I found out that alcoholism and addiction is very very likely to be contributing to the instability in a person with Borderline's life, but of course that's going to be the case with Schizotypal too especially since sometimes drugs are the thing that unleashes full-on schizophrenia for some people. The differences don't really even seem to stop there, because for Schizotypal sometimes there are body illusions like with formication where we'll feel insects crawling on our skin (this is one of my symptoms too), but, sure enough, sometimes people with Borderline will get crawling sensations too. One I think is interesting is the word "Borderline" was supposed to suggest that there is a "borderline" that one has to cross before entering much more severe mental illness, but if Schizotypal still at least sometimes exists as a placeholder for an adaptive end of the schizophrenia spectrum that even has merits, then in a way it also exists as a sort of "borderline" for schizophrenia. However, if Schizotypal is distinct from schizophrenia like it's supposed to be, and really isn't just a prodrome for schizophrenia (Schizotypal is expected to have a fairly stable course and may not even require antipsychotics), then you could also argue that Schizotypal is NOT "borderline" for schizophrenia nor is it borderline for much deeper mental illness, and that it's simply a way to describe a weird way for a person to be (it can be ego-syntonic, whereas some expect that Borderline is ego-dystonic even though I'm sure some Borderline folks are in love with their wounded romantic souls, etc.), like perhaps neurodivergence or mild Autism Spectrum Disorder. It's fascinating stuff, but I think Schizotypal has a ton of merit as a distinct label.
@@HinsoogThis is all just nervous system dysregulation? I have hyperhydrosis since a kid and I’ve experienced formication when in benzo withdrawal and from stress. This is all trauma. And confusing.
@@natatattful Yeah I don't think I can really disagree with that, like perhaps some of our disproportionate responses to things and out-of-control thoughts have been baked-in for so long that it's hardly distinguishable from a personality or sense of identity. It reminds me of some literature out there for Schizoid that seems to me to be just as much its own therapy as it is a description, and it has this sense that there is basically a "false self" and a "real self," and I get the impression that the false self is basically our own set of defense mechanisms for passing through the world as a depressed person, or a hyper-sensitive person, or dysregulated person or whatever else, the goal being to eventually let our authentic self breathe and express itself, its desires, its pleasures, its sense of boundaries, its peace, its adventure, whatever it is that we've been denying to ourselves in the name of survival and defense. I feel like that's as good a framing as any for perhaps quite a few of the personality disorders, and yeah, it seems likely that a false self came from trauma, or nervous system dysregulation, or from insecurity about something about our bodies. Interestingly enough, though I want to guess that I wouldn't have qualified as having hyperhidrosis just from looking it up quick, in my youth hygiene did seem like a battle I was often losing, which I have heard can be a problem for Schizotypal sometimes. Very interesting!
@@LazerKrohn I worry that I don't represent the struggle with anhedonia very well when displaying so much enthusiastism in a video (though Schizotypal is said to sometimes include hypomanic features), and maybe it's hard to capture the element of suspiciousness well, but I think I actually am on the schizotypy spectrum and got it confirmed with my psychologist so I'm glad it helps!
Really great video man, i relate a lot. My psychotherapist gave me a diagnostic impression of ADHD and BPD. But i also thought quite a bit about other personality disorders and i really think I'm autistic. Ive been obsessed with mental health stuff basically for my whole life. Well i want to understand what makes people tick, what goes on in their heads, what goes on in my head, it's all very fascinating. I can't afford to go for an autism diagnosis in Canada, it's not covered for just public healthcare where i am unfortunately. I've been just continually looking at autism for like a year and a half now. I find the most helpful thing is listening to autistic adults talk about their experiences, i relate so much. I have a burning desire for more knowledge, like about schizotypal PD, i will continue learning more. The criteria seem quite interesting. I am an INFJ-T but don't know my enneagram, i saw a few other infjs in the comments, so cool
Ive always found it funny that you "can't have schizotypal and autism", and yet, the constant alienation and unstable expectations/relation from others are the perfect breeding ground from stpd lol. Everyone I know with schizotypal (including myself) is dxed autistic. It's ironic in a way.
Yeah, agreed, and I should try to track it down, but a scholarly peer-reviewed article I read on it one time actually mentioned that the Autism Spectrum Disorder could be basically replacing the Schizotypal one, which is a shame because I think there is plenty value in this construct for observing the patterns of one's thoughts and for both working on and making peace with the sense of weirdness pretty much baked into some of us. Interesting thing to note, in the ICD, "Asperger's" as they have it listed, is only a "Type 2 Exclude" for Schizotypal, which basically just means that the conditions are separate, but that they can exist at the same time.
You can't have both because of an arbitrary rule in the DSM (not a proper rationale but there you go, a lot of the DSM has poor rationale on exploration). In reality, clinicians and researchers know that none of these spaces are truly distinct. This means societally we are giving more and more diagnostic labels because nobody fits a single box and the underlying mechanisms are likely the same. similar or interconnected and individual. Some clinicians come from a standpoint of only diagnosing the primary needs and others give multiple in an effort to profile or account for the different aspects of a person's experiences and behaviours (also depends on the school of thought psychodynamic and psychoanalytic is very different to DSM behavioural and medical approach). Some people need every aspect of self to be labelled and some don't. At this point, I've given up trying to make sense of the diagnostic criteria and it's applications because it is such a poor reflection of people's complex realities - I wish these concepts would go back to what was originally intended which was a way of describing behaviour patterns and styles that anybody could have or develop - rather than truly fixed independent categories - basically back to a way of discussing concepts, cognitions and ways of relating, than as what people 'are'.
Great work, gained alot from STP Advantage and this video. Will you keep posting here and on reddit? Totally agree about your universal ethic, and the advantages of big, abstract thinking, the grounding value of keeping God/ the universe at the center of your life. I try to live with the first principle that is embedded in all religions: Love Life and others as best you can. Christ and all the prophets of all religions, starting with animism and gnosticism, put some form of this first principal at the center of their universal ethic. I hope you will keep posting, and I will share with others.
Sorry I didn't know how to respond when I first got this because I've been in something of a rut that's caused me some ambivalent feelings about posting more UA-cam videos, but I know I have to snap out of it sometime. The Schizotypal subreddit is a great place though and I post on there. But I know someone out there will appreciate your comment, because though I still really appreciate the sense of idealism in religion, I'm one of the people who regularly really challenges the insidious elements of religious dogma on personalities that are really vulnerable to group think in a world where a cult of personality can overpower good arguments around ethics and reason. But I feel certain that you are among the people who keep that part of things straight, but I just don't think there is any accounting for what happens with dogma inside the minds of really quite a few people. Thank you!
Watching the French film 'Amelie', I was struck that the two main characters seem to be Schizotypal in their deeds to help humanity and observations of people from a particular angle. Also there is a desire in the two characters to leave the alone-ness that is aided by the other characters in the story. They eventually escape the isolation and form a romance in reality...I was interested to identify these things after seeing this film with the new information ; ) K
Yeah!! That's a great point, and it makes that movie seem extra special! One of my favorite moments is when she grabs ahold of an older guy slowly hobbling along who seems like he lives totally in his mind and quickly walks along affectionately with him while describing various fascinating things in his environment that he may not have been attending to for quite some time, and as she departs his whole perspective artfully explodes into a rainbow. So good. Interestingly enough I have had someone argue that she is Avoidant Personality Disorder, and another person on Reddit insist that she is Schizoid, but really it seems like a great tour of aspects of probably most of the schizophrenia spectrum.
Continuing from what I posted in your vid, I'm starting to have an impression that STD has transient experiece of grip of other PDs. In my mom's case, I can see OC, histrionic, paranoid, narc, boderline, even very short burst of and infrequent anti-social, what is constant is STD and Dependant. I'm starting to theorize that they are vulnerable to a host of 'malfunctions' of the mind if they are not on the healthy end of the spectrum, do not get help and is not self-aware, causing the downward spiral. In one of your previous video, you opine that cluster Bs could be more dangerous while cluster A is relatively harmless. I beg to differ on this. Cluster A can leave huge psychological scars on people closes to them, even psychosis and a wide range of maladaptive thoughts/ behaviors, because no man is an island and as social creatures we affect one another/ The damage can be as bad as narc abuse. I opine that its not the cluster, but the degree of awarenss, self regulation, self control and overall health of the PD one is experiencing. A reformed NPD or STPD can both be helpful and an unaware NPD or STP can be highly destructive. Just imagine a child gorwing up with a maladptive STPD mother, I don't remember ever being hugged, kissed, embraced by her when I see that often in my friends' family setting. I don't remeber ever being given words of encouragement or other positive affirmation. Those unmet developmental needs translated into a wide range of maladaptiive behaviour in me. The behavior of my mom is not accepted in any society, but because she has a mental condition (didn;t know it was STP) I and my sisters was expected by my dad to give her a past, and that wrecked havoc in our lives. It gave her the rights to abuse us psychologically. I still can't reconcile with that till now. I'm glad you are not only actively managing it, but also help the community.
Oh yeah, I actually agree with you, and it seems like it's usually the case that some of these share traits with the other personality disorders. One thing that could clear it up, is it seems like in some cases Schizotypal isn't strictly a personality disorder as defined in the ICD, but basically something like an adaptive or "attenuated" version of the schizophrenia spectrum, and then the personality disorder characteristics just seem to be very likely to be stirred in. It reminds me of the new surge of people identifying with Autism Spectrum Disorder that seem to relate to traits like these, because it's seemed like going through life feeling different or with a bent towards solitude or dissociative tendencies (like depersonalization is apparently common wit StPD, but it seems people on the autism spectrum dissociate a lot too) seems to give vulnerability to things like paranoid ideation in one way or another, so it gets hard to parse out. That all said, it's probably realistic to expect that Schizotypal is like the other personality disorder clusters where it shares traits with the other disorders in its cluster, and besides a ton of similarities with Borderline Personality Disorder with things like identity disturbance, substance abuse, and attachment style damage, I bet the most difficult cases of Schizotypal have comorbid Paranoid Personality Disorder. My theory is that the Paranoid Personality Disorder traits are among the most troublesome, because there is something really adversarial about it when the person generally expects malevolence from other human beings frequently enough without trying to break themselves out of that spell, because if everyone starts seeming malevolent, I think the result isn't always guardedness or hyper-vigilance, but feelings of malice that need to be worked through. If you're curious I did a write-up on Reddit about this, but the end idea is to just try to experience other people as fellow children who have been warped in one way or another by their own developments, circumstances, and struggles to feel good about whatever sense of self they have: www.reddit.com/r/Schizotypal/comments/15fqewb/i_think_ive_figured_out_psychodynamic_therapy/?context=3
You speak my language! Lol we say similar things! I’m also on the r/schizotypal subreddit. Just got on the schizotypal discord server as well. I will be more active on there and hope we speak.
Oh nice, thank you for contributing to the subreddit! It's astonishing how often we all get uncanny moments of relating in that way. I have heard about that Discord server and am very curious about it and some people seem to really value it. There is an ongoing debate about promoting it since we've encountered some people who worry that it's like an endless chasm of despair and suicidality, but it seems like it has to be more than that and holds value. Good to hear from you!
I actually think that the personality aspects are helpful in providing a lense of how the underlying neurobiological traits, trauma, environment, neuroplasticity, physiology and abilities manifest in the person's lived experience and interaction styles - I do prefer non-pathologising models of personality as there is lots of justified criticism of the DSM - we know there are no clear lines when it comes to the complexity of humans - even DSM type disorders or ICD-11 personality traits disorder model is helpful now that Autism is a spectrum that covers everything from personality to learning disabilities and various syndromes, more context is needed to help in understanding the person.
I had a friend with schizotypal. Never understood if he had affective empathy or just being sympathetic. Can people with schizotypal PD feel the feelings of others(affective empathy)? Just really curious.
Oh tough one! So before I spin off into various things that feel connected, I should say first that it's often considered to be on a spectrum with schizophrenia, and I have now interacted with a case that was so deeply Schizoid that their negative symptoms practically made them feel inhuman to the point of not really even understanding the need to communicate with other humans, making socializing feel basically pointless, and insofar as the person was going on about some feeling or another probably seemed like some kind of alien white noise. I think technically there is an expectation of deficits in this area, probably not so unlike Autism Spectrum Disorder (especially in the sense of "social disconnectedness"), but with some complications. So I think the thing that might really complicate this is the way some Schizotypal people seem to escape into their minds or internal worlds, perhaps in some cases almost like a way to blunt the direct emotional experience of what's happening, perhaps to the point of burying whatever is happening in abstraction, making it overly cerebral and overly intellectualized. I want to suggest that a Schizotypal person is capable of an extreme form of empathy where the boundaries between themselves and the other people practically don't exist, making complications with their unstable sense of identity, like almost attempting to completely identify with the other person, but then also inexplicably seems removed, like as though the two people were on their own remote islands and firing smoke signals at each other. Also complicating it is the way some Schizotypal people seem so desperate to intuit what's going on in another person's head they are practically attempting to be mind readers, but probably with a suspicious or neurotic bent, looking for problems or threats to the point of creating them where none existed, but if there is real trust in the relationship established maybe that problem is at least reduced. I guess in the end, if the person has a bent towards reclusiveness, the feelings of others might in some cases be so loud to the point of being deafening, and I know I'm prone to ruminate about the possibilities on what people might be thinking and feeling, so I want to say that I personally have a lot of empathy, but I know realistically I am prone to misinterpreting intentions and so forth. Or, this may be the most long-winded way to say "you know, I'm not totally sure." 😆
@@Hinsoog Thanks for your repply! Do you find it hard to get a job or STPDs in general due to their symptoms? Or depends on the level and degree of the symptoms? And last, can schizotypals have a sense of community or they are egoistic and eccentric?(no offense)
@078theo So there are sources out there that have found that Schizotypal is negatively correlated with narcissism, but I have seen how some of it could come across that way, because if a person is primarily living in their internal world, I think people generally still create a narrative where they have some sort of ego supply, which may end up seeming like the "self supply" of a defeated narcissist. Plus, Schizotypal is highly comorbid with Borderline which often includes substance use problems, and I feel like once someone is in the grip of addiction they are at risk of seeming selfish even if they are tortured by the sorry state that they can sense their addiction has put them in. Sometimes people want to know if Schizotypal has a connection to Antisocial PD, but I submit that Schizotypal people are much more likely to be asocial (not antisocial), and if something like a mild form of psychosis happens and the person has this sensation like a holy mission, it's more likely that the intent is something VERY pro-social, probably in a way that "normal" people wouldn't care too, like I feel like it's practically neurotypical to not understand having any sort of cause and to think largely animalistically, but maybe that's admittedly egoistic of me. It just seems like it's "normal" not to care all that much about anything, and maybe it's worth noting that some Schizotypal people even believe they have special abilities or even powers, which probably seems pretty grandiose, but I would argue it just isn't the same as the grandiosity of a narcissist, but who knows, the line might get blurry. There is also the other reality that some Schizotypal people just feel too weird or too alienated to share the same sensation of community, and that makes resentment a risk, but I would still argue that an anxious ruminative mind can still sort out some way to feel pro-social, even when they are basically reclusive. As for jobs, that probably is a struggle, in interviews probably the oddness and eccentricity is basically apparent, and once the person has a job they probably experience the world of people as something like a stressful mindgame. But, sometimes personalities mesh and the person finds a niche they can be comfortable in. My case is sometimes seems like Avoidant Personality Disorder where I strive to work alone, and I am very lucky to usually work alone. But, not everyone is so lucky, and I bet some Schizotypal peolle go from being quasi-hermits to full-on hermits, or just straight up homeless, or end up in a ward, but, of course those are the most severe cases. Schizotypal is common enough that people probably usually find some kind of safe niche.
@@Hinsoog My STPD friend was very social but didn't make very close friendships almost never. He had close friends but for short period of time. He was super social. Even had communist tendencies and ideas. How a STPD eccentric individual can have pro-social ideas in your opinion? Cause he just hang out with such people and was adapting like a social chameleon? Thanks for the very interesting opinions and conversation btw!
@@078theo Yeah it's fascinating to think about! It's interesting how randomly contradictory personalities can be, which I think is often captured with Myers-Briggs personality typing, because you can have a chronically socially anxious INFP who, compared to some of their introverted peers, are bewilderingly expressive. Reactions to me have been all over the place. I have had people report that I am shockingly shy and introverted, I have had people assume I have schizophrenia or schizoaffective, and I have had people think I am some kind of super extravert. Depending on the day I'm not completely sure myself. So I'm picturing basically a psychosis with a pro-social theme, but is still unhealthy on some level. For example, I've fallen off the deep end with political narratives numerous times, and I have the impression that it's not uncommon for a Schizotypal person to have like a hyper-active sense of idealism that can upset them, such as when processing the way people seem to betray what is allegedly their value systems for the sake of some political narrative that is some confusing mix of us-versus-them team sports mentality, probably a genuine personality cult, and herd animal-like behavior with a hacked sense of loyalty. Now, add enough alcohol to that equation, and before long you might have someone aggressively explaining to a group of people that their souls are in peril in terrifying terms, which, the intent comes from an idealistic place, but the end result could just be more toxicity with people burrowing deeper into their ideologies and probably sounding crazy. That may or may not sound related to psychosis, but I recently saw a movie called Taxi Driver about a Schizotypal character who (spoilers ahead if you haven't watched it) spirals down to the point of attacking a pimp who has ensnared a young prostitute. It's evident that, in that case, the person's heart was in an idealistic, pro-social place, and is even framed as some kind of hero by some, but the other reality is that the person was essentially a psychotic vigilante who lost control. I want to mention that we know that schizophrenia-spectrum people are not at increased risk of violence compared to the general population, and are actually much more at risk of harming themselves, but the point is, something like psychosis can be fueled essentially by like a pro-social idealism.
I really resonated with your video and the reflection you do with traits and how they relate to your life and the analysis mixed with the healing process you're going through. Can you comment a little on how you include bipolar episodes into your process? I've found myself questioning a lot of parts of my life and having periods of time where moments other people label as "traumas" but I don't perceive as traumatic because I was so impulsive and high on my feelings to be upset or hurt with the people around me or felt like I didn't even understand the dangers of the situation. Sometimes I feel confused about how I "should" feel because of similar experiences that were upsetting or feel a hard time relating to others' experiences and don't know how to respond. Do you have any similarities looking back on your past?
Of course I do, in fact, I think Schizotypal is a risk for ruminating about transgressions that aren't even real transgressions to the point of self-torture. I suspect you might be from Reddit, but I have an example right this moment. On Reddit we sometimes get spammy low-effort posts from sketchy random people that many of us open our hearts wide-open to, sharing intimate things, while they contribute no part of themselves. I, perhaps mistakenly this time, called out a post I believed to be just this, insisting they read the volumes of content we already have available. This culminated in the person losing their shit, putting on a dramatic display that eventually culminated in them calling me terrifying after trying to get them to stop the disproportionate drama display, some random with almost no posts accusing me of tweaking, and then directly after this someone started spamming my UA-cam videos with disrespectful comments, which is a first for me. It's possible I am in the wrong, I made a person feel bad who had what was probably a genuine post, and I regret it, but good lord, I am sensitive too, I am not bad person, and I didn't deserve all that. I hope to God you aren't part of the same drama, and if you are, this is my personal UA-cam channel, and this is way too much.
Thank you! And I responded to our other funny little thread which strikes me as kind of a funny Schizotypal moment, because I read way too much into a little sequence of emojis, haha!
Besides interviewing, therapy, and mental status examination my psychologist used the MMPI-3 (Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory-Third Edition) together with the MCMI-IV (Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory-Fourth Edition) which seem to be great for sorting out personality disorders, maybe especially the MMPI-3 since that one has Schizotypal PD listed among the results readout. Just in case you are anyone reading is interested she also used CAARS (Conners Adult ADHD Rating Scales-Short) for ADHD, and GARS-3 (Gilliam Autism Rating Scale-Third Edition) for Autism Spectrum Disorder. I feel like it's a great idea to have these listed in the comments for folks, so thank you for the question!
@@GevoeligeMensen Oh sweet thank you, if you followed me directly I probably already followed you back! It's really such a good subreddit, that whole forum should be proud of itself. Thank you again!
@@poohbearm.503 Very relatable symptom story, even down to the ADHD diagnosis in childhood! Back then "ADD" was still in use as it was labeled for me, and I was resentful of having to take medication for it at the time. I probably could have been given a GAD diagnosis later in my youth though my psychiatrist back then was all-in on targeting my OCD symptoms. I wish you luck in sorting out the marriage troubles, probably there is some kind of balance to be struck with navigating boundaries, the amount of alone time you probably need, and building an open line of communication for establishing a foundation of trust, but I hope you go easy on yourself in sorting all that out even if you have to choose a new route. I think therapists and psychiatrists can be a great starting place, because if you have a longer relationship with one they will probably start looking deeper into it along with you, but it was worth it for me to go straight to a psychologist who could give me a psychological evaluation and who is also now doing therapy with me. I have been telling people that they don't have to feel bad about identifying with Schizotypal, especially since there are aspects of it that feel like a super power for living partially in one's mind, and that definitely goes for Autism Spectrum Disorder too, because quite a few thoughtful and quirky people who need a lot of alone time still have the capacity to be rational and it's easy enough to identify merits to both, and in the end it is basically adaptive even if sometimes depression-like symptoms are present, etc. So far it's given me some comfort and understanding, and then it's a great way to then study the nature of some my behaviors and begin envisioning what a full life is for me. Our journey continues!
😆 Well if it makes you feel better quite a bit of it continues to be a challenge to consistently parse since so many on the subreddit really relate to some of the core features of the autism spectrum.
I’m autistic, ADHD and have BPD but I highly suspect that I have StPD as well, I’ve been trying to research about it before I talk to my psychiatrist but it seems that there’s a lack of information about it online (or at least I’m not finding it) so I really appreciate this video and your personal experiences too (also, I’m a pagan myself and love Heilung!)
So we are basically in the same pool of symptoms, and you may like to know that there are professionals out there who actually don't believe that StPD and BPD are meaningfully distinguished. In fact, every now and then I see someone with BPD online questioning if they are autistic too, which to me suggests that it's possible that pretty often they feel alienated, weird, or spending a lot of time alone for any number of reasons, which then starts really blurring the lines on these. I suspect that Schizotypal people start losing the battle against their natural wariness about people and just start usually choosing solitude, but after reading around online about Borderline it seems to me that that is often the case with them too, making it hard to distinguish. I feel like one differentiator could be that Schizotypal people just naturally feel more uncomfortable around people by default, like there is just automatically more cortisol pumping through our blood when near people, but I bet if you looked around you could find someone with Borderline who felt that way too. It's great to hear from you, I bet we are pretty much the same!
So I found this image when we found out that Heilung would be part of the Senua's Saga: Hellblade II soundtrack! The thing that makes that extra special if you ask me is Hellblade is already this mind-stretching look at psychosis in a completely wonderful game, and then it miraculously meets its most perfect match by getting Heilung on board which to me is an even deeper match than just the sonic vibes of the music and themes. The image basically has Schizotypal and Schizophrenia juxtaposed, with Heilung's Maria Franz on the right and Senua from Hellblade on the left, and I say that because Heilung is such a perfect Schizotypal representative, so it just feels right that they be a featured discussion as part of all this.
Hey, I am worried about what I may have put you through in this. If you would give me a little context I would be very happy to try and help with it, if you would please.
@@SamanthaGunn Oh, hahaha! It's maybe a fun example of something like a Schizotypal moment, because I was able to read all sorts of things from that little sequence. So funny.
Dealing with emotions in my brain whilst keeping a poker face. Because I'm worried that my response will be misunderstood or out of place. We have a couple of oddballs in the family so there is definitely a genetic component to my schizotypal. But as a child I was neglected emotionally, probably contributing to it. I can remember hiding under the tablecloths at children's parties, staring at the other kids, wanting to join in the fun but somehow not being able too. As a teenager I was made fun of and teased relentlessly being called a weirdo/nerd/freak. So I was actually turned against very often. Being classified as highly gifted I nevertheless failed to make a longstanding success of anything. As soon as I start mastering something I loose interest and pursue something different. Also, in the work and academic environment I struggle to get along with people. I feel out of place, not belonging. Apparently my give away is my speech. The way I talk slowly and the precise language and pronunciation I use, which I was not aware of until pointed out. Anyway, it is good to know I'm not totally alone in this and also not a total nutcase.
I love how consistently this stuff leads to finding relatable, fascinating, thoughtful people, and I think it makes it easier to wear the nerdy and weird tags with pride! I think you may have just shined a light on something I still have to work on with my psychologist, that being the "language impairment" side of this, because even though I think I am articulate there is something askew with how I am communicating with people. I feel like some of this ends up being a hodgepodge of things we can adjust for and things we can't, as well as fighting what I want to describe as an emotional temperament where I expect not to belong.
Then there is like a stew of the ADHD problem of not sticking to certain things and the avolition that I think sometimes haunts the Schizotypal side, and maybe they are usually mixed together in different combinations. I am still sorting some of this out myself, but I think we deserve to give ourselves a bit of peace and to feel good about ourselves, so the journey continues! Great thoughts for people to reflect on, thank you!
@@Hinsoog I totally have issues with what I call logically. I know what I am saying is articulate and logical (at least to me) but sometimes people look at me with this strange gaze like I just stepped off of a time machine from some other century. I think that I think faster than the words I am able to use to express myself which means no one else understands me either. I know now that when people just sort of look at me after something I have said, I'm probably not being as logical as I think I am. I suppose that is the type of 'language impairment' you are talking about...or maybe not?
@@catherinemccarty2307 Yeah, absolutely! In fact, the more I think about it, the more I feel like I have already identified this "language impairment" as Schizotypal, because I think there is an expectation with Schizotypal that sometimes the things said are so overly abstract or so obscurely intellectual-seeming that the listener/reader is then basically left to "decode" what was communicated to them, and of course that's the case for me. I feel like I at least partially dealt with this in the past when I realized that I'm not the most considerate of my readers when I leave them a little too adrift in whatever it was I was trying to communicate, so then it's like I have to take extra special care to "logically" (maybe bringing it full circle with your use of the word) step through ideas for proper consumption. It's a little hilarious that I think I'm at risk of doing it while just trying to describe the issue, heheh.
So I feel like this comes pretty close to settling the issue as something that fits better on the schizophrenia-spectrum side of things, but, it's still a little messy because I can imagine someone with Autism Spectrum Disorder getting so wound up about a special interest that their monologue about it leaves their listener/reader bewildered. So maybe it's just another thing that overlaps in a curious way, but I think we basically uncovered something that makes more sense in the schizophrenia-spectrum category. Fascinating stuff, thank you for this opportunity to shine a light on it!
Bro you described my life in a way 😂😂😂 much love bro
this need so many more views dude. you are doing an amazing job. i wish we could hang out. you are one of the only male people ive been able to say that about.
Oof thank you, it's easy to forget that some of us are getting something out of it, and though sometimes I think its existence is giving me some kind of complex I'm glad it's out there. On the Schizotypal subreddit every now and then someone will express an interest in meetups, but it would be complicated, because you could conceivably have the people who would be basically vibrating with anxiety, someone like me cackling about something insane, and some guy describing the process of removing organs from an abdomen for no clear reason, all right in a row. And then I think most of us have really, really damaged attachment styles, so you could have extremely anxious attachment types mixing with avoidant attachment styles and deeply Schizoid people. One of the defining traits of Schizotypal is to be very uncomfortable being close to other people, and it seems like if the other person was Schizotypal then it could be a safe way to explore, but who knows what the reality of the situation would actually be. That said, I don't think I would subject someone with a healthy attachment style with a relationship to myself, so it's like like-minded people search for compatibility in each other anyways.
I had no idea you could have Stpd and bipolar. Definitely great to have a professional discern that. Happy for you.
Yeah it's interesting! I have seen some people consider Bipolar to be on a similar scale with schizoaffective since it appears that there may be a link between them with rapid cycling. There was a discussion on r/Schizotypal with an idea by Go_On_Swan that suggested that maybe there could be like two versions of Schizotypal, one that is like a Diet schizophrenia, and one that is like a Diet schizoaffective, and that seems like a great way to think about it to me! It's great to hear from you, thank you! 😊
@@Hinsoog I had no idea one could have ASD and Stpd! I read that they can't be diagnosed together, but clearly they can be since you have been diagnosed with both.
@@LadyBug-ky6qu So I am tempted to bury you in text about why they are different enough but also overlap enough in a way that it makes sense that they probably shouldn't be diagnosed together (like two different flavors of "social disconnectedness" where Schizotypal is a little more likely to float off the earth in abstraction, have Ideas of Reference, and have attachment style damage and high trait neuroticism, etc. though I am sure autism spectrum people have a sort of paranoid ideation and so forth too just going through life feeling different), but, if we want to use the ICD as the authority, technically "Asperger's Syndrome" is only a "Type 2 Exclude" for Schizotypal, meaning that they are indeed separate conditions, but the patient may still have both at the same time.
Awesome heilung image on your screen!!!
Thank you! It's a fun coincidence that you write this just as they are releasing a new album. Plus if anyone reading is interested, Heilung just did some stuff for Senua's Saga: Hellblade II, which is such a perfect match.
I am glad to hear that you found your diagnosis "kind of exciting." About eight years ago when I got my diagnosis, I felt good about it. All my life I've been struggling with issues especially related to being around people; I always liked to be alone, but felt very embarrassed that others thought it as odd. So, I went to a NAMI meeting. I was going to do their program. We were all discussing our mental illnesses, and I was so excited that I proudly mentioned mine (dysthymia with AvPD and SPD); they thought that this was very strange. They were not very accepting, and the one woman in charge was actually mean; no empathy (she suffered from major depressive disorder). The guy asked me: "What are you doing here?" Although, he seemed genuinely interested, I felt dumbfounded. I could not answer his question. I stopped the program after three visits.
Wow, that's fascinating! Thank you for sharing, because I expect something similar could happen to me, and I can even picture some enthusiasm in telling them about Schizotypal. Maybe it could work if I considered myself also playing the role of therapist, because the thing that's a little vexing about imagining that is I can imagine the beginnings of working with the topic, like forming strategies for not feeling suffocated by an intimate relationship and so forth, which also seems extremely related to stuff depressed people could like to discuss, like feeling comfortable approaching a relationship at all in some cases, like the paralyzing psychic weight of certain types of relationships just has to relate them somehow.
This even fits some of my expectations of depressed people, because the most fiercely depressed people I have ever meet seem almost immediately agitated by people. Jeeze, NAMI fail. Though I am definitely intrigued to find out that they have groups in my state. Thank you!
Schizotypal doesn't seem to be recognized in my state of Connecticut, I discovered schizotypal in 2015 and been chasing after doctors and none of them brung it up, I was misdiagnosed as "schizoaffective" but I don't hear voices, and my moods aren't random, it's usually a reaction to the environment, I think I'm just spiritual and my paranoia usually has evidence so it's probably pseudo paranoia. I'm at this point to where I'm probably not schizotypal or schizoanything anymore, I don't believe it's health anxiety, because doctors never denied me having schizotypal, health anxiety is like, you go to doctors, they say "no", and you're still chasing them, for me, it's like, mental health doctors don't confirm or deny me having schizotypal, they don't say anything AT ALL. I just think I'm right about ghosts, the afterlife, and maybe extraterrestrials, I'm pretty confident in my beliefs, so maybe I'm just delusional, I can be talked out of my beliefs, but not usually, the only label I relate to is "multiple complex developmental disorder", I made a video reading the traits of it on Wikipedia. I'm at this point where I have no label and honestly, I don't care, I don't have labels for other things too, like no political or religious label or anything really.
It's a fascinating perspective, and actually you mentioned something that I think could be aspirational for people not at peace with their label, and it's that you can be talked out of your beliefs which is one of the things I've read can define Schizotypal since you can update your perspective with new information whereas full delusions are rigid and impenetrable. In fact I'd argue that in some cases if some Schizotypal people get used to protecting against getting carried away with various ideas I think it can eventually produce quite a rational mind with various pillars of rationality to grip onto or flesh out producing a person more fluid in digesting perspectives than many neurotypical people. It's sort of funny that the way I sometimes try to make Schizotypal seem like some kind of mysterious superpower is a bit symptomatic of me, but that said, I respect and admire your kicking of this label habit.
I think one potential benefit for the Schizotypal and Autism Spectrum Disorder labels is I have seen it give some comfort to people who have felt weird or alien in the world for various reasons and then they feel less alone to discover stuff like this that almost seems to come with a reminder to keep an eye out for pitfalls such as risks associated with isolation, paranoid ideation, and so on, though I think I have caught myself using it as excuse for indulging in solitude more often than I should. Thank you for the great perspective!
What if you get visions and they always become true. They say its part of schizotypical but since there isnt enough information what if some of the stuff is related to being quite psychic or spiritually aware/gifted if it can be proven
Well it would be exciting if anything related to that was proven, I feel like many of us have some sense of romance about our intuition, and it would be thrilling if the relationship consciousness has on reality has any of the power so many suspect it has. But if this sort of thing starts causing issues beyond the sense curiosity and romance, I feel like the key is to look into "confirmation bias," which is a huge human problem where, for example, if someone is invested in some idea or is actively looking for it enough, it's possible to keep finding evidence of the idea and strengthen it even if it's not true. It's such a big problem that I think it's why falsifiability is so important in the scientific method, so that it guarantees that helpful or accurate ideas move forward and we don't lose progress on things that we have made impossible to disprove even if they aren't true. That said, intuition can guide us into all sorts of things, and it's always possible to uncover something new, so I think it makes sense to the wonder alive.
I totally agree with and get what you are saying. D
you seem so nice.
I appreciate that! I think I am basically nice, I just come across as weird to whatever number of people and put energy into securing quite a bit of alone time, which I think inadvertently translates as coldness to some personalities. Thank you for the kind words, I feel like I can sense warmth in you.
@@Hinsoogits ok. you seem very introspective and understanding. i think i can relate to you somewhat. i have also been called weird for my behaviour and cold and rejecting because i prefer to be alone. i do not have schizotypal personality disorder but i suspect i have AVPD. i feel very uncomfortable around others and avoid being around them because i fear embarrassment and rejection... so i guess i can understand people perceiving me as cold. Thank you for making this video and sharing your thoughts.
Hey man, Just curious, you still making vids??
Hey, I still watch some of your videos by the way! Yep, I will make more, though I have run into an obstacle I am still sort of resolving I can show you with a link to the subreddit below if you're curious. I think that is only a partial explanation though, because some salvos of depression have been launched at me recently, and mindfulness meditation is sort of keeping me above the depression waters, but it's a little iffy. I will get there.
Here is a conceptual obstacle I mentioned:
www.reddit.com/r/Schizotypal/comments/yxgc5z/possible_problem_with_this_diagnosiss_use_and/?context=3
@@Hinsoog awww I’m flattered!! I’m glad you still enjoy my vids! I feel the quality has tanked lately lmao and I’m glad you’re still making videos! I find them so interesting. I’ve even shown a bunch of my friends them haha
But your post is something the cluster b community struggle with a lot too. It’s hard drawing a line in terms of gate keeping. I have a nasty habit of dismissing anyone who’s not diagnosed. And in some cases that’s super damaging cause of the misinformation present in even clinicians, and some people may not have the resources to get one.
And the issues of functioning. Some people are so messed up they can’t go a day without flipping out. Some can’t hold down a job and rely on their parents. Meanwhile some are doctors, CEOs, investors etc etc how messed up does your life have to be to be a disorder?
Personally I think it comes down to personal suffering. Am I suffering because of these tendencies? Do I feel a need to get treatment and help to deal with it? Nobody can tell anyone how much they suffer. So I think if there’s any desire to get help then it qualifies.
@healnpd told me an interesting thing. In psychoanalysis there’s three levels of functioning for all personality disorders. Neurotic, borderline(not the disorder), and psychotic. For example if you’re in the neurotic level of functioning you can hold down a job, your symptoms aren’t impacting your relationships to a super extreme degree etc. But you’re still gonna have very symptomatic moments. And you can delve back into borderline and psychotic functioning and vise versa. Everyone has different levels of severity. It’s the nature of the thing, it’s a spectrum. But that doesn’t mean someone shouldn’t be included in getting support and understanding just cause their life isn’t a complete wreck lmao
I hope all that made sense and have a little clarity haha I hope everything works out for you man!
@@Thenamelessnarcissist Wow, super great points, agreed! I LOVE the psychoanalysis framing!! Because anyone even flirting with the idea of having a personality disorder is probably at least neurotic, so it kind of takes the chains off, and then people are less likely to attempt to star in their own movie about who is the most mentally ill, heheh. It's sort of funny, because we know we have at least a couple of PhDs who frequent the Schizotypal subreddit, and some working on their Master's, so considering that some are homeless that's quite a range, heheh.
Thank you for the insights, it's good to hear from you, and see you around!
i have these same "Dis Orders" Hinsoog. I have been studying the Enneagram for many years. I would love to talk with you may i?
Hey! Yeah I'm game for talking and probably could be a good source for playing with these ideas, because yeah, the Enneagram, personality theory, and all of this is fascinating probably for both of us! I guess the question is where talking is most comfortable, because other than forums maybe the best way is to either go to messages either on Reddit or Twitter. Here is my Reddit link: www.reddit.com/user/Hinsoog
Glad to hear someone saying that its kinda fun to do a deep dive into one's mental health. I have schizo-effective disorder and one thing I have learned along the way in a very intimate way is that you have to teach people how to treat you. Maybe not in a formal way but if you don't start expressing your needs, who else is going to tell people. Most of us don't interact with the world the same way as a 'square'. You gotta help them to understand. You might appreciate this quote from Wikkuard...I find it amusing that were all pretending to be normal when we could be insanely in interesting! Looking forward to catching up on your previous videos.
Oof, I love what you wrote, and it's the sort of thing that will definitely help someone to read! You might enjoy hearing about something really interesting that keeps happening on r/Schizotypal, we have people from all corners of the schizophrenia spectrum on there and with surprising frequency people with schizoaffective disorder tend to be some of the most relatable and vice versa (one of them told me that nearly everything I wrote seemed like it could have come from them, and I often feel the same)! Maybe we should change the name to "Outrageously Thoughtful and Sensitive Re-Order," haha!
The way you frame it is really great though, because it always feels like it should be possible to sort of build out a way to keep everyone's needs met and to keep both party's feeling reassured, loved, and feeling like real partners while still basically autonomous with adequate boundaries and a sense of peace and stability, perhaps with strategies for dealing with times when one person needs quiet alone time or weathering the storms of depressive and manic phases. Such a sprawling topic! I pretty much live in my head at this point, so choose insanely interesting! 😄 Thank you!!
That is a great quote
I’m a 31 year old lady from Canada currently going through the diagnostic process for schizotypy and autism. Once I have my diagnosis on paper I will join you in making UA-cam videos about my experience with this rare mix of disorders.
( I’m an INFJ-A and 4w5 )
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Oh nice, I will look forward to your content if you do, I feel like I've digested and enjoyed almost every morsel of content related to Schizotypal out there. I think the thing that makes the situation complicated is Schizotypal pretty much does come with a version of autism in the way that it contains a social disconnectedness, and a sort of thinking that isn't automatically anchored in the social world, which I suppose is a safeguard for neurotypical people who probably embrace social feedback as a saving grace, whereas the Schizotypal person may be bounding around in their internal world with internal frameworks that might have some loose connections or some troublesome thought patterns (whether from trauma or being neurotic enough to look so much for problems as to find them where none exist, or whatever else).
I also suspect that the way people are using Autism Spectrum Disorder on the mild end might actually just be taking over the Schizotypal diagnosis in some cases , and it's not like there are a shortage of people identified with Autism Spectrum Disorder who also have damaged attachment styles or are escaping from a conventional social world in some way, so we have found quite the rabbit hole to tumble down! Enjoy your journey!
I'm an INFJ-T
Have you studied Jung? It is the real meat behind MBTI (Jung never personally accepted MBTI). Essentially, I'd say that Jung's description of introverted intuition is very much (in its most archetypal severe form) is just like autism spectrum (mainly having extremely narrow sensory channel leading to sensory problems and misunderstandings in terms over concretizing aka failing to actually be concrete... nuanced understanding is very important here). Funnily enough, it seems to encompass some schizophrenic spectrum features too (such as being a prophet). To get breadth, you'll also need to get extraverted intuition. In essence, two opposite forces competing over the same mental space, which should be exhausting and should lead to a personal dysfunction from a normative perspective. So, what I'm saying is that stepping outside tight typological boxes is important here (I'm not negating an innate type here) as such a horseshoe person has to have serious balancing problems.
As a person, Jung seemed to have both flairs but had those under control, while being an introverted thinker primarily.
It's funny, there was a time in the past where I would have probably put quite a bit of energy into explaining and defending the specific order of the MBTI trait functions, including the introverted and extraverted versions, and some of the ideas definitely have value (like it makes sense to imagine INTP types with underdeveloped Fe in all its social appropriate bits and so forth), but the value of the Big Five combined with how it more neatly swallows up some of the conflicts often articulated with MBTI seem like it demystifies quite a bit of the hyper-specific stuff. Like I have seen a psychology resource suggesting that people with very high trait openness, perhaps excessively high, are at risk of "magical thinking," which is just such a lovely way to frame one of my perceived conflicts with sensors versus intuitive types, and there are lots of examples like that. I haven't formally studied Jung outside of blurbs you get in various psychology resources, but in a way it feels like I'm in the thicket of it considering the amount of psychology content I consume and the inspirations for it (like listening to a lot of Jordan Peterson content for example). So, as in Jungian psychology, I think I am circumambulating around Jung like an object being pulled in by gravity.
Interesting thought about the sensory channel, I think I will definitely reflect on that a lot since it's something that can explain some of my quirks pretty well, though I think I am fittingly high in trait openness/intellectual curiosity that we would probably usually expect in intuitive types, and I have probably more than my share of moments that probably can be described as clairvoyance-like experiences, or humoring certain trains of thought as prophet-like. Fascinating stuff, thank you!
Only half way through but I'M LOVING THIS. Just hearing your thoughts on things are so interesting, and looks at it in a way I never would've thought of. I think it was really interesting how you said you can kinda tell your emotions are scrambling your thoughts, cause being cluster B it feels almost like my thoughts are emotions if that makes sense. I have my rational brain which I know is how I'm "supposed" to think, then my emotional brain which is like, my instincts and natural way of thinking. (Which I'm still not convinced is even an illegitimate way to perceive the world.) I guess it's hard to imagine my emotions like... Affecting the thoughts? Instead of my thoughts focused around emotions? If that makes sense? Regardless keep up the good work!
Thank you for the "self-esteem juice" (using your fantastic way to frame that, click on The Nameless Narcissist for insightful talk about NPD)! And I think I see what you mean! It makes me think it's at least possible that my need to separate my emotional brain as scrambled is actually putting me at risk in some ways when I'm not giving my emotions some kind of natural outlet, like I suspect it provides an advantage, but maybe I sacrifice some amount of authenticity for it. It's a great thought worth reflecting on, thank you! I just commented on one of your videos with an extremely brave theme, and I don't know how I can do the sex topic justice. Thank you again!
@@Hinsoog Howdy Hinsoog, haven't had time yet to watch your new vid cause Nameless is hosting another stream in a few. Lol. Hope you'll join us again, it was great having you there last time! 😁
@@religiohominilupus5259 Oh daaaaang I just got home from working and had to miss it live! It was a lot of fun so hopefully it lines up well again!
@@Hinsoog Hope your day was OK. And no worries--Nameless streams every Sunday, maybe it'll work out next time if you don't work every Sunday. :)
@@religiohominilupus5259 Oh sweet that's good to hear, in that case I should be able to make some of them! I think Nameless has a hit on his hands with those!
24:27 - I do appreciate you not deleting and starting again! I think I'd be the same but I'm so glad to see when people don't feel the need to do this! Just shows our humanness, which is so beneficial to see more of! 👌🏾
Hey our diagnoses are similar! I have adhd-c, bipolar ii, schizotypal, OCD, PTSD, SAD and GAD.
It sounds like a lot and very dramatic and intense but I can truly see elements of myself in each. If I were a pie, those diagnoses would be a slice, that’s how I understand it. Neurologist recommended a mood stabilizer and I agree.
Hey just wrote to you elsewhere but wanted to mention that yeah, they are surprisingly similar! I feel like OCD in particular seems to overlap in some surprising ways. I have seen a UA-cam video about Schizotypal that wanted to suggest that Schizotypal and the Bipolar spectrum should be distinguished, but it's clear that Schizotypal often has hypomanic features.
wow...
i want to say a million things right now but..
just came across ur channel after typing austism infp
im a female INFP-A/ADHD, but started looking into autism (a few days ago) cause most of my friends have that, and i thought as an act of affection i would try to understand them more so i can communicate with them better, and now im giggling cause typing that out made me realize even more that its such an autistic trait to do lmaooo
anyway ive been questioning my entire recently and watching ur infp vid, it was like u were reading my mind, cause i was thinking of the same that infp just have autistic traits but might not nessecarily be austistic, then watching another vid of urs and then especially this one was like wow, kinda felt.. healing of some sort to see someone with this much awareness of themselves voice it out, i could listen to you talk for hours, so ye i do want to say a million things right now but.. this might take a bit to process and read/watch more into..
i wonder if my mum and my other 2 brothers being diagnosed with schizophrenia might have something to do with how much im relating to ur schizotypal part, because im sure i dont have schizophrenia knowing what my mum and brothers went through.. but i wonder if its genetic and elements of schizotypal might be engraved in me.. hmm..
ill go back to pondering in my head for abit..
oh man, it took me almost 2 months to process things after finding out i had ADHD last year, now again i keep finding myself visiting my past memories again to try and make sense of it all.. i think that's the most exhausting part
gonna need a break and go back into reading other random topics i was indulged in before i found myself diving into psychology 😭
anyway im glad i found you, you've opened my eyes and mind, and will def have this subject on a side tab that'll ill hopefully get back to in the future once my emotional energy is recharged again
I love it, thank you for the sweet response with a familiar INFP vibe that resonates with me in return, like for example, it's difficult to articulate why, but the wording of "as an act of affection" seems straight out of my own heart. I suppose one thing that's probably true of many INFP types is that they probably are rarely not welcoming of quirkiness that comes from other people, even when it comes in autistic or Schizotypal-esque flavors, and probably have a mind that's so open and thoughtful that it's easy enough to relate to those quirky traits themselves, so maybe you're like a save haven for neurodivergence.
A thought I had is I think INFP types are probably generally more likely than many types to be critical of themselves in a way that they'd search for traits of the disorders inside of themselves to the point of seemingly finding them, which in my case is basically on point, but I think the fullest "personality disorder" part of Schizotypal has a vibe that's alienating to many types of people who prize normalness to an extreme, and my guess just from this is even if you had a level of quirkiness or did end up identifying with some Schizotypal traits that your INFP aura probably doesn't have the alienating element. It feels like I should say that for the sake of INFP types reading this sort of thing too who might be too self-critical, because I bet INFP types higher in trait neuroticism will look for issues to the point of finding them when they may not really be there. Thank you again for this comment!
This video is what I have been looking for ❤ . Diagnosed with OCPD,StPD (but then saying they do not want to label me now as having StPD since things are still hard to separate from my OCPD symptoms as they overlap) a suspect ASD and ADHD
Oh interesting, there are things about OCPD that are really relatable for me, but the scale of it is super off, because for example, while OCPD people are generally expected to be so overly high in trait conscientiousness that they tyrannize themselves to work super hard and be productive and industrious, and I do relate in that I feel bad that I'm not personally a workaholic, in fact I think the reality is I'm the opposite of a workaholic despite probably having a complex about it.
Something you might find interesting, I was reading a therapist's post on Quora about someone with OCPD, and they admitted to feeling more powerless to help the person than they have ever felt, because the person with OCPD exhaustively studied every angle of every part of their issues in a way that was basically impenetrable to the therapist, leaving them powerless to uncover some angle that could help them. It's curious, because I think perhaps part of the therapy could have been something like exposure therapy for living with some scale of uncertainty, some scale of doubt and imperfection, and to just study the person's feverish mind manufacturing the stress of some kind of rigid chase. I have a feeling the OCPD people are some of the ones that hold themselves to such impossible standards that they tyrannize themselves to the point of psychosomatic illness, like people who get cancer early because they stress themselves to the core and don't leave themselves any other option. Just some thoughts though. Good luck on your journey, and don't be too hard on yourself!
Wow..My therapist actually asked what I really wanted out of this therapy in our last session because she said that I already know everything she knows,and what I needed to know myself,I know it is sometimes exhausting for her,and last time my Psychiatrist just straight up told me that he believe he is not helping me much,I used to discuss everything they wrote on my paper with them including the different therapy techniques and sometimes I argue with them,and I don't feel great about that but I had to because I know their purposes but there is always this feeling of believing there is nothing wrong with me,but now that I am still in my diagnostic process,I want to know my assessment results so bad that I cannot just leave.Now my therapist decided on exposure therapy and I agree to that.
Another thing,my Pschiatrist and my therapist were pretty confused about my previous assessment results because I was really high on OCPD,besides StPD,but my compulsivity is really high as well to the point that they inhibit each other,they discussed and assessed me further if it could be a reaction formation and took my history further,but it is not a reaction formation so now I am a suspect ASD and ADHD.Anyway thank you,so great to hear these things from you.Take care🥂
@@wisteria1739 I just double checked my own evaluation, and it does have features of OCPD listed in there, but seems my psychologist opted not to diagnose it. But I definitely do have OCD, so there is that. This reminded me that I saw a graphic about personality disorders recently where there was a system of connecting some of them, and there was an arrow drawn from Schizoid to Schizotypal, but also from Schizoid to "Hypochondriacal." And considering that OCD can be comorbid with both Schizotypal and Schizoid, it makes me think that, just as perhaps we can often have this intense reoccurring concern with health, probably something similar happens with psych labels.
Interestingly that same constellation of arrows did also lead to OCPD, but it led upwards where there was very mild severity in terms of "Borderline Personality Organization," which is a good thing for stability.
@@Hinsoog soo interesting to know these things
Hey dude im dignosed skitzotypical glad i found you guys 😊 i truly feel less weird/alone now.
amazing video, i see alot of me in you. that doesnt happen much. thank you.
I think i really like people with schitzotypal. You guys are fun and sweet,n
😊 Yeah I like other people with Schizotypal too. Sometimes it's just a matter of sorting out hurt feelings on occasions when the person inadvertently directs their probable impulse to be suspicious towards someone who likes them, because trust can be a complicated thing on this spectrum.
@@Hinsoog super interesting to hear that. I am currently seeing someone and I think they have some schizotypal traits. I adore them, but they are not easy to trust.
@@MAzurburg Sorry to hear that by the way. It's really a pretty big problem, putting aside the headscratcher of what or who brought on this particular trust issue, maybe you already know that trust is the foundation of a relationship/partnership, so if this continues and you really do find it hard to trust them, you should probably let them go for their sake as much as yours. Plus if they are actually Schizotypal, it's possible they just want to be alone.
Apparently Borderline and Schizotypal used to be indistinguishable from one another within psychiatry long long ago, and eventually they each came into their own disorders and BPD was a new thing. I saw it on a comment on the subreddit at one point.
Yeah I have even heard this from professionals online, this thought that there isn't anything that meaningfully distinguishes Borderline and Schizotypal. In fact, every now and then I will come across someone with Borderline online who thinks they have Autism Spectrum Disorder which has generally struck me as being more of a problem for differential diagnosis for Schizotypal, but, it seems that Borderline folks are at risk of feeling something like "social disconnectedness" too, and I often get the impression that Borderline people are getting tagged as "weird" pretty often too. The most striking one if you ask me is both of them definitely have damage done to their attachment style, and they probably both share either an anxious attachment style or a disorganized attachment style.
What's more, after having either of those damaged attachment styles people in both camps still seem pretty likely to start preferring solitude (probably this is at least more likely with Schizotypal). I found out that alcoholism and addiction is very very likely to be contributing to the instability in a person with Borderline's life, but of course that's going to be the case with Schizotypal too especially since sometimes drugs are the thing that unleashes full-on schizophrenia for some people. The differences don't really even seem to stop there, because for Schizotypal sometimes there are body illusions like with formication where we'll feel insects crawling on our skin (this is one of my symptoms too), but, sure enough, sometimes people with Borderline will get crawling sensations too.
One I think is interesting is the word "Borderline" was supposed to suggest that there is a "borderline" that one has to cross before entering much more severe mental illness, but if Schizotypal still at least sometimes exists as a placeholder for an adaptive end of the schizophrenia spectrum that even has merits, then in a way it also exists as a sort of "borderline" for schizophrenia. However, if Schizotypal is distinct from schizophrenia like it's supposed to be, and really isn't just a prodrome for schizophrenia (Schizotypal is expected to have a fairly stable course and may not even require antipsychotics), then you could also argue that Schizotypal is NOT "borderline" for schizophrenia nor is it borderline for much deeper mental illness, and that it's simply a way to describe a weird way for a person to be (it can be ego-syntonic, whereas some expect that Borderline is ego-dystonic even though I'm sure some Borderline folks are in love with their wounded romantic souls, etc.), like perhaps neurodivergence or mild Autism Spectrum Disorder.
It's fascinating stuff, but I think Schizotypal has a ton of merit as a distinct label.
@@HinsoogThis is all just nervous system dysregulation? I have hyperhydrosis since a kid and I’ve experienced formication when in benzo withdrawal and from stress. This is all trauma. And confusing.
@@natatattful Yeah I don't think I can really disagree with that, like perhaps some of our disproportionate responses to things and out-of-control thoughts have been baked-in for so long that it's hardly distinguishable from a personality or sense of identity. It reminds me of some literature out there for Schizoid that seems to me to be just as much its own therapy as it is a description, and it has this sense that there is basically a "false self" and a "real self," and I get the impression that the false self is basically our own set of defense mechanisms for passing through the world as a depressed person, or a hyper-sensitive person, or dysregulated person or whatever else, the goal being to eventually let our authentic self breathe and express itself, its desires, its pleasures, its sense of boundaries, its peace, its adventure, whatever it is that we've been denying to ourselves in the name of survival and defense.
I feel like that's as good a framing as any for perhaps quite a few of the personality disorders, and yeah, it seems likely that a false self came from trauma, or nervous system dysregulation, or from insecurity about something about our bodies. Interestingly enough, though I want to guess that I wouldn't have qualified as having hyperhidrosis just from looking it up quick, in my youth hygiene did seem like a battle I was often losing, which I have heard can be a problem for Schizotypal sometimes. Very interesting!
Wow, you match me perfectly thank you for uploading. There’s not much information about this stuff online.
@@LazerKrohn I worry that I don't represent the struggle with anhedonia very well when displaying so much enthusiastism in a video (though Schizotypal is said to sometimes include hypomanic features), and maybe it's hard to capture the element of suspiciousness well, but I think I actually am on the schizotypy spectrum and got it confirmed with my psychologist so I'm glad it helps!
Really great video man, i relate a lot. My psychotherapist gave me a diagnostic impression of ADHD and BPD. But i also thought quite a bit about other personality disorders and i really think I'm autistic.
Ive been obsessed with mental health stuff basically for my whole life. Well i want to understand what makes people tick, what goes on in their heads, what goes on in my head, it's all very fascinating. I can't afford to go for an autism diagnosis in Canada, it's not covered for just public healthcare where i am unfortunately. I've been just continually looking at autism for like a year and a half now. I find the most helpful thing is listening to autistic adults talk about their experiences, i relate so much.
I have a burning desire for more knowledge, like about schizotypal PD, i will continue learning more. The criteria seem quite interesting. I am an INFJ-T but don't know my enneagram, i saw a few other infjs in the comments, so cool
Ive always found it funny that you "can't have schizotypal and autism", and yet, the constant alienation and unstable expectations/relation from others are the perfect breeding ground from stpd lol. Everyone I know with schizotypal (including myself) is dxed autistic. It's ironic in a way.
Yeah, agreed, and I should try to track it down, but a scholarly peer-reviewed article I read on it one time actually mentioned that the Autism Spectrum Disorder could be basically replacing the Schizotypal one, which is a shame because I think there is plenty value in this construct for observing the patterns of one's thoughts and for both working on and making peace with the sense of weirdness pretty much baked into some of us.
Interesting thing to note, in the ICD, "Asperger's" as they have it listed, is only a "Type 2 Exclude" for Schizotypal, which basically just means that the conditions are separate, but that they can exist at the same time.
You can't have both because of an arbitrary rule in the DSM (not a proper rationale but there you go, a lot of the DSM has poor rationale on exploration). In reality, clinicians and researchers know that none of these spaces are truly distinct. This means societally we are giving more and more diagnostic labels because nobody fits a single box and the underlying mechanisms are likely the same. similar or interconnected and individual. Some clinicians come from a standpoint of only diagnosing the primary needs and others give multiple in an effort to profile or account for the different aspects of a person's experiences and behaviours (also depends on the school of thought psychodynamic and psychoanalytic is very different to DSM behavioural and medical approach). Some people need every aspect of self to be labelled and some don't. At this point, I've given up trying to make sense of the diagnostic criteria and it's applications because it is such a poor reflection of people's complex realities - I wish these concepts would go back to what was originally intended which was a way of describing behaviour patterns and styles that anybody could have or develop - rather than truly fixed independent categories - basically back to a way of discussing concepts, cognitions and ways of relating, than as what people 'are'.
Great work, gained alot from STP Advantage and this video. Will you keep posting here and on reddit? Totally agree about your universal ethic, and the advantages of big, abstract thinking, the grounding value of keeping God/ the universe at the center of your life. I try to live with the first principle that is embedded in all religions: Love Life and others as best you can. Christ and all the prophets of all religions, starting with animism and gnosticism, put some form of this first principal at the center of their universal ethic. I hope you will keep posting, and I will share with others.
Sorry I didn't know how to respond when I first got this because I've been in something of a rut that's caused me some ambivalent feelings about posting more UA-cam videos, but I know I have to snap out of it sometime. The Schizotypal subreddit is a great place though and I post on there. But I know someone out there will appreciate your comment, because though I still really appreciate the sense of idealism in religion, I'm one of the people who regularly really challenges the insidious elements of religious dogma on personalities that are really vulnerable to group think in a world where a cult of personality can overpower good arguments around ethics and reason. But I feel certain that you are among the people who keep that part of things straight, but I just don't think there is any accounting for what happens with dogma inside the minds of really quite a few people. Thank you!
Watching the French film 'Amelie', I was struck that the two main characters seem to be Schizotypal in their deeds to help humanity and observations of people from a particular angle. Also there is a desire in the two characters to leave the alone-ness that is aided by the other characters in the story. They eventually escape the isolation and form a romance in reality...I was interested to identify these things after seeing this film with the new information ; ) K
Yeah!! That's a great point, and it makes that movie seem extra special! One of my favorite moments is when she grabs ahold of an older guy slowly hobbling along who seems like he lives totally in his mind and quickly walks along affectionately with him while describing various fascinating things in his environment that he may not have been attending to for quite some time, and as she departs his whole perspective artfully explodes into a rainbow. So good.
Interestingly enough I have had someone argue that she is Avoidant Personality Disorder, and another person on Reddit insist that she is Schizoid, but really it seems like a great tour of aspects of probably most of the schizophrenia spectrum.
Thank you for sharing interesting information. ❤
Glad you enjoy it! It all keeps being fascinating to explore.
Continuing from what I posted in your vid, I'm starting to have an impression that STD has transient experiece of grip of other PDs. In my mom's case, I can see OC, histrionic, paranoid, narc, boderline, even very short burst of and infrequent anti-social, what is constant is STD and Dependant. I'm starting to theorize that they are vulnerable to a host of 'malfunctions' of the mind if they are not on the healthy end of the spectrum, do not get help and is not self-aware, causing the downward spiral.
In one of your previous video, you opine that cluster Bs could be more dangerous while cluster A is relatively harmless. I beg to differ on this. Cluster A can leave huge psychological scars on people closes to them, even psychosis and a wide range of maladaptive thoughts/ behaviors, because no man is an island and as social creatures we affect one another/ The damage can be as bad as narc abuse. I opine that its not the cluster, but the degree of awarenss, self regulation, self control and overall health of the PD one is experiencing. A reformed NPD or STPD can both be helpful and an unaware NPD or STP can be highly destructive. Just imagine a child gorwing up with a maladptive STPD mother, I don't remember ever being hugged, kissed, embraced by her when I see that often in my friends' family setting. I don't remeber ever being given words of encouragement or other positive affirmation. Those unmet developmental needs translated into a wide range of maladaptiive behaviour in me. The behavior of my mom is not accepted in any society, but because she has a mental condition (didn;t know it was STP) I and my sisters was expected by my dad to give her a past, and that wrecked havoc in our lives. It gave her the rights to abuse us psychologically. I still can't reconcile with that till now.
I'm glad you are not only actively managing it, but also help the community.
Oh yeah, I actually agree with you, and it seems like it's usually the case that some of these share traits with the other personality disorders. One thing that could clear it up, is it seems like in some cases Schizotypal isn't strictly a personality disorder as defined in the ICD, but basically something like an adaptive or "attenuated" version of the schizophrenia spectrum, and then the personality disorder characteristics just seem to be very likely to be stirred in. It reminds me of the new surge of people identifying with Autism Spectrum Disorder that seem to relate to traits like these, because it's seemed like going through life feeling different or with a bent towards solitude or dissociative tendencies (like depersonalization is apparently common wit StPD, but it seems people on the autism spectrum dissociate a lot too) seems to give vulnerability to things like paranoid ideation in one way or another, so it gets hard to parse out.
That all said, it's probably realistic to expect that Schizotypal is like the other personality disorder clusters where it shares traits with the other disorders in its cluster, and besides a ton of similarities with Borderline Personality Disorder with things like identity disturbance, substance abuse, and attachment style damage, I bet the most difficult cases of Schizotypal have comorbid Paranoid Personality Disorder. My theory is that the Paranoid Personality Disorder traits are among the most troublesome, because there is something really adversarial about it when the person generally expects malevolence from other human beings frequently enough without trying to break themselves out of that spell, because if everyone starts seeming malevolent, I think the result isn't always guardedness or hyper-vigilance, but feelings of malice that need to be worked through. If you're curious I did a write-up on Reddit about this, but the end idea is to just try to experience other people as fellow children who have been warped in one way or another by their own developments, circumstances, and struggles to feel good about whatever sense of self they have: www.reddit.com/r/Schizotypal/comments/15fqewb/i_think_ive_figured_out_psychodynamic_therapy/?context=3
I can so relate my friend
You speak my language! Lol we say similar things! I’m also on the r/schizotypal subreddit. Just got on the schizotypal discord server as well. I will be more active on there and hope we speak.
Oh nice, thank you for contributing to the subreddit! It's astonishing how often we all get uncanny moments of relating in that way. I have heard about that Discord server and am very curious about it and some people seem to really value it. There is an ongoing debate about promoting it since we've encountered some people who worry that it's like an endless chasm of despair and suicidality, but it seems like it has to be more than that and holds value. Good to hear from you!
I actually think that the personality aspects are helpful in providing a lense of how the underlying neurobiological traits, trauma, environment, neuroplasticity, physiology and abilities manifest in the person's lived experience and interaction styles - I do prefer non-pathologising models of personality as there is lots of justified criticism of the DSM - we know there are no clear lines when it comes to the complexity of humans - even DSM type disorders or ICD-11 personality traits disorder model is helpful now that Autism is a spectrum that covers everything from personality to learning disabilities and various syndromes, more context is needed to help in understanding the person.
I had a friend with schizotypal. Never understood if he had affective empathy or just being sympathetic. Can people with schizotypal PD feel the feelings of others(affective empathy)? Just really curious.
Oh tough one! So before I spin off into various things that feel connected, I should say first that it's often considered to be on a spectrum with schizophrenia, and I have now interacted with a case that was so deeply Schizoid that their negative symptoms practically made them feel inhuman to the point of not really even understanding the need to communicate with other humans, making socializing feel basically pointless, and insofar as the person was going on about some feeling or another probably seemed like some kind of alien white noise. I think technically there is an expectation of deficits in this area, probably not so unlike Autism Spectrum Disorder (especially in the sense of "social disconnectedness"), but with some complications.
So I think the thing that might really complicate this is the way some Schizotypal people seem to escape into their minds or internal worlds, perhaps in some cases almost like a way to blunt the direct emotional experience of what's happening, perhaps to the point of burying whatever is happening in abstraction, making it overly cerebral and overly intellectualized. I want to suggest that a Schizotypal person is capable of an extreme form of empathy where the boundaries between themselves and the other people practically don't exist, making complications with their unstable sense of identity, like almost attempting to completely identify with the other person, but then also inexplicably seems removed, like as though the two people were on their own remote islands and firing smoke signals at each other.
Also complicating it is the way some Schizotypal people seem so desperate to intuit what's going on in another person's head they are practically attempting to be mind readers, but probably with a suspicious or neurotic bent, looking for problems or threats to the point of creating them where none existed, but if there is real trust in the relationship established maybe that problem is at least reduced. I guess in the end, if the person has a bent towards reclusiveness, the feelings of others might in some cases be so loud to the point of being deafening, and I know I'm prone to ruminate about the possibilities on what people might be thinking and feeling, so I want to say that I personally have a lot of empathy, but I know realistically I am prone to misinterpreting intentions and so forth. Or, this may be the most long-winded way to say "you know, I'm not totally sure." 😆
@@Hinsoog Thanks for your repply! Do you find it hard to get a job or STPDs in general due to their symptoms? Or depends on the level and degree of the symptoms? And last, can schizotypals have a sense of community or they are egoistic and eccentric?(no offense)
@078theo So there are sources out there that have found that Schizotypal is negatively correlated with narcissism, but I have seen how some of it could come across that way, because if a person is primarily living in their internal world, I think people generally still create a narrative where they have some sort of ego supply, which may end up seeming like the "self supply" of a defeated narcissist. Plus, Schizotypal is highly comorbid with Borderline which often includes substance use problems, and I feel like once someone is in the grip of addiction they are at risk of seeming selfish even if they are tortured by the sorry state that they can sense their addiction has put them in.
Sometimes people want to know if Schizotypal has a connection to Antisocial PD, but I submit that Schizotypal people are much more likely to be asocial (not antisocial), and if something like a mild form of psychosis happens and the person has this sensation like a holy mission, it's more likely that the intent is something VERY pro-social, probably in a way that "normal" people wouldn't care too, like I feel like it's practically neurotypical to not understand having any sort of cause and to think largely animalistically, but maybe that's admittedly egoistic of me. It just seems like it's "normal" not to care all that much about anything, and maybe it's worth noting that some Schizotypal people even believe they have special abilities or even powers, which probably seems pretty grandiose, but I would argue it just isn't the same as the grandiosity of a narcissist, but who knows, the line might get blurry. There is also the other reality that some Schizotypal people just feel too weird or too alienated to share the same sensation of community, and that makes resentment a risk, but I would still argue that an anxious ruminative mind can still sort out some way to feel pro-social, even when they are basically reclusive.
As for jobs, that probably is a struggle, in interviews probably the oddness and eccentricity is basically apparent, and once the person has a job they probably experience the world of people as something like a stressful mindgame. But, sometimes personalities mesh and the person finds a niche they can be comfortable in. My case is sometimes seems like Avoidant Personality Disorder where I strive to work alone, and I am very lucky to usually work alone. But, not everyone is so lucky, and I bet some Schizotypal peolle go from being quasi-hermits to full-on hermits, or just straight up homeless, or end up in a ward, but, of course those are the most severe cases. Schizotypal is common enough that people probably usually find some kind of safe niche.
@@Hinsoog My STPD friend was very social but didn't make very close friendships almost never. He had close friends but for short period of time. He was super social. Even had communist tendencies and ideas. How a STPD eccentric individual can have pro-social ideas in your opinion? Cause he just hang out with such people and was adapting like a social chameleon? Thanks for the very interesting opinions and conversation btw!
@@078theo Yeah it's fascinating to think about! It's interesting how randomly contradictory personalities can be, which I think is often captured with Myers-Briggs personality typing, because you can have a chronically socially anxious INFP who, compared to some of their introverted peers, are bewilderingly expressive. Reactions to me have been all over the place. I have had people report that I am shockingly shy and introverted, I have had people assume I have schizophrenia or schizoaffective, and I have had people think I am some kind of super extravert. Depending on the day I'm not completely sure myself.
So I'm picturing basically a psychosis with a pro-social theme, but is still unhealthy on some level. For example, I've fallen off the deep end with political narratives numerous times, and I have the impression that it's not uncommon for a Schizotypal person to have like a hyper-active sense of idealism that can upset them, such as when processing the way people seem to betray what is allegedly their value systems for the sake of some political narrative that is some confusing mix of us-versus-them team sports mentality, probably a genuine personality cult, and herd animal-like behavior with a hacked sense of loyalty. Now, add enough alcohol to that equation, and before long you might have someone aggressively explaining to a group of people that their souls are in peril in terrifying terms, which, the intent comes from an idealistic place, but the end result could just be more toxicity with people burrowing deeper into their ideologies and probably sounding crazy.
That may or may not sound related to psychosis, but I recently saw a movie called Taxi Driver about a Schizotypal character who (spoilers ahead if you haven't watched it) spirals down to the point of attacking a pimp who has ensnared a young prostitute. It's evident that, in that case, the person's heart was in an idealistic, pro-social place, and is even framed as some kind of hero by some, but the other reality is that the person was essentially a psychotic vigilante who lost control. I want to mention that we know that schizophrenia-spectrum people are not at increased risk of violence compared to the general population, and are actually much more at risk of harming themselves, but the point is, something like psychosis can be fueled essentially by like a pro-social idealism.
I really resonated with your video and the reflection you do with traits and how they relate to your life and the analysis mixed with the healing process you're going through. Can you comment a little on how you include bipolar episodes into your process? I've found myself questioning a lot of parts of my life and having periods of time where moments other people label as "traumas" but I don't perceive as traumatic because I was so impulsive and high on my feelings to be upset or hurt with the people around me or felt like I didn't even understand the dangers of the situation. Sometimes I feel confused about how I "should" feel because of similar experiences that were upsetting or feel a hard time relating to others' experiences and don't know how to respond. Do you have any similarities looking back on your past?
Do you ever feel regret for doing what you did
Of course I do, in fact, I think Schizotypal is a risk for ruminating about transgressions that aren't even real transgressions to the point of self-torture. I suspect you might be from Reddit, but I have an example right this moment. On Reddit we sometimes get spammy low-effort posts from sketchy random people that many of us open our hearts wide-open to, sharing intimate things, while they contribute no part of themselves. I, perhaps mistakenly this time, called out a post I believed to be just this, insisting they read the volumes of content we already have available. This culminated in the person losing their shit, putting on a dramatic display that eventually culminated in them calling me terrifying after trying to get them to stop the disproportionate drama display, some random with almost no posts accusing me of tweaking, and then directly after this someone started spamming my UA-cam videos with disrespectful comments, which is a first for me.
It's possible I am in the wrong, I made a person feel bad who had what was probably a genuine post, and I regret it, but good lord, I am sensitive too, I am not bad person, and I didn't deserve all that. I hope to God you aren't part of the same drama, and if you are, this is my personal UA-cam channel, and this is way too much.
Just watched some of your video and thought it was interesting. Thank you!
Thank you! And I responded to our other funny little thread which strikes me as kind of a funny Schizotypal moment, because I read way too much into a little sequence of emojis, haha!
Schizotypal here UK!
@@SamanthaGunn Hello from Nebraska in the US! It's so awesome when this stuff connects with kindred spirits in other countries too!
What was the test for Schizotypal PD ?
Besides interviewing, therapy, and mental status examination my psychologist used the MMPI-3 (Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory-Third Edition) together with the MCMI-IV (Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory-Fourth Edition) which seem to be great for sorting out personality disorders, maybe especially the MMPI-3 since that one has Schizotypal PD listed among the results readout.
Just in case you are anyone reading is interested she also used CAARS (Conners Adult ADHD Rating Scales-Short) for ADHD, and GARS-3 (Gilliam Autism Rating Scale-Third Edition) for Autism Spectrum Disorder. I feel like it's a great idea to have these listed in the comments for folks, so thank you for the question!
@@Hinsoog Thank you!!, Love your thoughts and subsribed to your Reddit!
@@GevoeligeMensen Oh sweet thank you, if you followed me directly I probably already followed you back! It's really such a good subreddit, that whole forum should be proud of itself. Thank you again!
@@poohbearm.503 Very relatable symptom story, even down to the ADHD diagnosis in childhood! Back then "ADD" was still in use as it was labeled for me, and I was resentful of having to take medication for it at the time. I probably could have been given a GAD diagnosis later in my youth though my psychiatrist back then was all-in on targeting my OCD symptoms. I wish you luck in sorting out the marriage troubles, probably there is some kind of balance to be struck with navigating boundaries, the amount of alone time you probably need, and building an open line of communication for establishing a foundation of trust, but I hope you go easy on yourself in sorting all that out even if you have to choose a new route. I think therapists and psychiatrists can be a great starting place, because if you have a longer relationship with one they will probably start looking deeper into it along with you, but it was worth it for me to go straight to a psychologist who could give me a psychological evaluation and who is also now doing therapy with me.
I have been telling people that they don't have to feel bad about identifying with Schizotypal, especially since there are aspects of it that feel like a super power for living partially in one's mind, and that definitely goes for Autism Spectrum Disorder too, because quite a few thoughtful and quirky people who need a lot of alone time still have the capacity to be rational and it's easy enough to identify merits to both, and in the end it is basically adaptive even if sometimes depression-like symptoms are present, etc. So far it's given me some comfort and understanding, and then it's a great way to then study the nature of some my behaviors and begin envisioning what a full life is for me. Our journey continues!
Maybe its because im autistic lol but this all served to further confuse me.
😆 Well if it makes you feel better quite a bit of it continues to be a challenge to consistently parse since so many on the subreddit really relate to some of the core features of the autism spectrum.
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I’m autistic, ADHD and have BPD but I highly suspect that I have StPD as well, I’ve been trying to research about it before I talk to my psychiatrist but it seems that there’s a lack of information about it online (or at least I’m not finding it) so I really appreciate this video and your personal experiences too (also, I’m a pagan myself and love Heilung!)
So we are basically in the same pool of symptoms, and you may like to know that there are professionals out there who actually don't believe that StPD and BPD are meaningfully distinguished. In fact, every now and then I see someone with BPD online questioning if they are autistic too, which to me suggests that it's possible that pretty often they feel alienated, weird, or spending a lot of time alone for any number of reasons, which then starts really blurring the lines on these. I suspect that Schizotypal people start losing the battle against their natural wariness about people and just start usually choosing solitude, but after reading around online about Borderline it seems to me that that is often the case with them too, making it hard to distinguish.
I feel like one differentiator could be that Schizotypal people just naturally feel more uncomfortable around people by default, like there is just automatically more cortisol pumping through our blood when near people, but I bet if you looked around you could find someone with Borderline who felt that way too. It's great to hear from you, I bet we are pretty much the same!
Is that a Heilung desktop wallpaper?
So I found this image when we found out that Heilung would be part of the Senua's Saga: Hellblade II soundtrack! The thing that makes that extra special if you ask me is Hellblade is already this mind-stretching look at psychosis in a completely wonderful game, and then it miraculously meets its most perfect match by getting Heilung on board which to me is an even deeper match than just the sonic vibes of the music and themes. The image basically has Schizotypal and Schizophrenia juxtaposed, with Heilung's Maria Franz on the right and Senua from Hellblade on the left, and I say that because Heilung is such a perfect Schizotypal representative, so it just feels right that they be a featured discussion as part of all this.
@@Hinsoog Oh that's cool. I played the first Hellblade and am also excited for the second. Yeah I agree that it's a pretty good match :)
@@thedarknight5714 Yeah, so so good, Ninja Theory is going to knock it out of the park!
Hey, I am worried about what I may have put you through in this. If you would give me a little context I would be very happy to try and help with it, if you would please.
@@Hinsoog Didn't mean to put all the emojis!
@@SamanthaGunn Oh, hahaha! It's maybe a fun example of something like a Schizotypal moment, because I was able to read all sorts of things from that little sequence. So funny.