I had a nakamichi head unit and 5disk changer ‘97. Thanks for the review I am looking for a DSP. I do wish you showed the Bluetooth features cause I also like the fosgate DSP with iPod linking.
I got the NDS4610a last year for under $200, the blue-tooth is optional plus If i only use the front 2 channels input, the dsp cant use the front channels to output other channels beside the front. I wish they can refine the software and it could be a very good dsp for a reasonable price that's include toslink and coxial.
@bRandomFPV @craizygolf1980 Yes, the Helix DSP units are solid, feature-rich, and with excellent software. It's not perfect (nothing is), but IMPO it's the best. The owners/engineers at Audiotech-Fischer have actually listened to user's feedback and ADDED tuning features and improvements to the GUI & workflow in the software. :) And there are regular software and firmware updates for bug fixes, etc. A lot of SQ competitors are also now using the miniDSP C-DSP 8x12 v2 DL (Dirac Live) processor. Once the v2 came out it fixed all of their 1st Gen issues, and the addition of the Dirac Live auto-tune is a GAME CHANGER. The DL autotune feature can achieve what would take many, many hours or even many days of microphone measurements and tweaking in very little time. You still have to do some "hands-on" tweaking here & there, but it's pretty amazing what it will achieve with very little effort. You just have to follow a fairly specific procedure (like you'd do anyway when tuning traditionally). And the end result of DL autotune's Phase and Frequency Response corrections are WAY better & smoother than 99% of us could achieve on our own. The only area it has some problems with is in the lower midbass and bass frequencies, because Dirac Live wasn't really designed to correct the acoustic response in such a "small room" as a vehicle cabin. But it still does a better job than most of us can achieve!
It's a rebranded generic China made DSP as it looks like. In Germany we have a brand called "Musway". The software looks the same like the Nakamichi. 8-channel DSP-Amplifier with 10-channel DSP is around 699,-- € for this thing.
It looks exactly like the PXE-0850 without the amp. Being a Chinese DSP explains why I get distortion out of it. I've hated the PXE ever since I installed it. I thought it would be Alpine quality but it's just junk.
I got the NDSK4285AU with Audioson Prima APK 165 component with APX165 coax with Sound Magus app for my Hyryder Hybrid G. I am gonna play with the settings & see how it goes. One question, I have, is there a quality difference if I chose Apple CarPlay or stream music on the DSP Unit? Thanks
Coming from a Pioneer 880-PRS, is something like this or a Hertz DSP going to be able to deliver the same sound quality from a factory head unit? How much quality am I going to lose?
Ok hold up. Did i just hear. That you can connect a radar dector. So that its alerts can be produced from the audio system????? Is there a video on how you do this.
@Destaye The tubes are only in the "preamp" section. The main power output section is still just traditional solid-state mosfet transistors. It's not really a true "Tube Amplifier". I'm not saying it will sound "bad". Several other High-End brands use the same technique to achieve excellent results, such as the DLS TA-2 amps and some of TRU-technology's amps.
When you decide to invest in a dsp, you should not go cheap . Buy a good one and enjoy for a lifetime. Everybody is coming out with a DSP now and most of them is just not good. If you need 12 channels of output, that means you are doing something serious so why would you not get a Helix Ultra and be done? No need to do all this guess work, and puzzle. Things should not be this complicated .
Dude , not everyone has $1500_$2000 to spend on a dsp but everyone deserves to hear excellent tunes. Even if it's an entry level dsp, it can change an ordinary sound system into something the listener can fall in love with.
@@colbydolby6559 I agree, you should not waste your money on separate dsp, and amplifiers. You should get one dsp amplifier and be done with it. Match M5DSP is a tiny 5 channel dsp amplifier that can run a full system for example and it costs around 600 bucks. Since it's tiny and very efficient you don't need a thick wire and space which means you save money. It doesn't need any load resistors, converters, etc either so you just get some 10ga wire, a few sockets for your car and you're done.
Can you guys explain how you would go about gain matching this DSP to your source unit? Would you use the master volume control, individual input volume controls or the mixer controls? Thanks!!
I have the same question. Please, if you can shed some light on this it would be quite helpful. As far as I am able to tell there is no clipping indicator. I have a DD1 but not sure how the process would work going from head unit, dsp, amplifier so as to make sure that there are no clipped signals from any piece in the process. Thanks Dean and Fernando.
I cant even make my kdc x304 sound good idk how to adjust the 13 band eq, i listen to all kinds of music mainly in spanish but still ive been at it for 2 weeks idk where to set the frequencies
You need to find an RTA, microphone etc and decide on what is called a house curve. JBL and Audiofrog are pretty popular but there are a few options. This is the best tip, level match the ouput closely and always CUT eq not boost eq wherever you can. On the Audiofrog website there is a wealth of tuning knowledge. Get yourself a few cervazas, keep distraction free for a few hours and strap youself in for information extreme. Then, read it all again and again until you know it. Good luck from Australia!
Looks like a great piece. My questions are how much is it? Also where can you get it? You guys do not have it listed as one of the brands you sell. Anyone sell it in NE?
Almost identical to what? Must of the software for dsp, have similar functions, have play with helix, arc audio, audison, mosconi and alpine and they have similar function
Nakamichi has lost the car audio segment, all out dated ,their shops are empty in Dubai, no stuffs in the self's,☹🤷♂️Chinese car audio have spoiled the car audio market 💥💥💥💯👈
Are you referring to having six input channels? Most radios these days have six output channels. With a DSP you really only need two full range input channels so I have no idea why you think it's obsolete.
I swear if I have to see that Lit solar battery commercial again my heads going to explode
For real
Commercial? I haven't seen UA-cam commercials in years. Ad blocker on desktop & vanced for android. The Freedom is wonderful
Thank you for the priceless knowledge that you guys provide. Gracias amigo!
Dean you're amazing you forgot more than I ever learned
Dean, you could sale dehydrated berries in the desert.
My Lord Dean, I know I’m getting old. So I’m guessing there’s no more just Bass, Treble and loud bottoms on car radios anymore.
I have 2 of the old school nakamichi amps they are super clean
I HAVE 12 OF THEM...CLEAN AS HELL
THE OLD BLACK ONES AND THE STAINLESS ONES PA 100 PA 200 PA300 CANT WAIT TO CONNECT THEN TO MY MOREL SPEAKERS !
WHICH TWO DO YOU HAVE ?
I know them for home entertainment named IOTAVX but they are OG Nakamichi =) sick power and quality
Need more video one a day isn’t enough to feed me
The Dragon was the BOMB!
Great review and explanation. Thank you 🙏
I ran a Nak 250 deck in my car back in1977
I had a nakamichi head unit and 5disk changer ‘97. Thanks for the review I am looking for a DSP. I do wish you showed the Bluetooth features cause I also like the fosgate DSP with iPod linking.
I got the NDS4610a last year for under $200, the blue-tooth is optional plus If i only use the front 2 channels input, the dsp cant use the front channels to output other channels beside the front. I wish they can refine the software and it could be a very good dsp for a reasonable price that's include toslink and coxial.
From all the DSP that you guy's work with, what's your favorite brand or product?
@bRandomFPV
@craizygolf1980
Yes, the Helix DSP units are solid, feature-rich, and with excellent software. It's not perfect (nothing is), but IMPO it's the best.
The owners/engineers at Audiotech-Fischer have actually listened to user's feedback and ADDED tuning features and improvements to the GUI & workflow in the software. :) And there are regular software and firmware updates for bug fixes, etc.
A lot of SQ competitors are also now using the miniDSP C-DSP 8x12 v2 DL (Dirac Live) processor.
Once the v2 came out it fixed all of their 1st Gen issues, and the addition of the Dirac Live auto-tune is a GAME CHANGER.
The DL autotune feature can achieve what would take many, many hours or even many days of microphone measurements and tweaking in very little time.
You still have to do some "hands-on" tweaking here & there, but it's pretty amazing what it will achieve with very little effort. You just have to follow a fairly specific procedure (like you'd do anyway when tuning traditionally).
And the end result of DL autotune's Phase and Frequency Response corrections are WAY better & smoother than 99% of us could achieve on our own.
The only area it has some problems with is in the lower midbass and bass frequencies, because Dirac Live wasn't really designed to correct the acoustic response in such a "small room" as a vehicle cabin.
But it still does a better job than most of us can achieve!
Interest piqued!
Hardware and software look almost identical to an alpine pxe-0850s DSP.
It's a rebranded generic China made DSP as it looks like. In Germany we have a brand called "Musway". The software looks the same like the Nakamichi. 8-channel DSP-Amplifier with 10-channel DSP is around 699,-- € for this thing.
It looks exactly like the PXE-0850 without the amp. Being a Chinese DSP explains why I get distortion out of it. I've hated the PXE ever since I installed it. I thought it would be Alpine quality but it's just junk.
@@Cathul I've seen them on videos, but never actually listened to them, would u say it is Musway a good brand in Germany?
Greetings from Chile!
Jorge Plaza no idea. Never heared then, but they were tested with good results. Not high-end, but good value for their money.
Same software as Dayton DSP-408 as well
i am lost when you start talking abt red n green
lol
hello man may i know where i can find my dsp software i have mine nakamichi nds4610a cant find the software
Wow.. 12 channel
I got the NDSK4285AU with Audioson Prima APK 165 component with APX165 coax with Sound Magus app for my Hyryder Hybrid G. I am gonna play with the settings & see how it goes. One question, I have, is there a quality difference if I chose Apple CarPlay or stream music on the DSP Unit? Thanks
Follow Dean and Franado Car Stereo Clips
Coming from a Pioneer 880-PRS, is something like this or a Hertz DSP going to be able to deliver the same sound quality from a factory head unit? How much quality am I going to lose?
Man the title are wrong are 6120 not 2160 jejejajaj nice video hello from mexico
Tal vez el video en español o subtitulado
Can you make a video with the NDSP4631A?
Ok hold up. Did i just hear. That you can connect a radar dector. So that its alerts can be produced from the audio system????? Is there a video on how you do this.
I have problem whit dsp stay on can u help how to do to go off?
Used to be a GOOD BRAND
Not anymore lol
Would u say it Is a bad brand now or just average?
Not sure bro I haven't dealt with any of their newer equipment!
@@74midwestbass74 me neither
@@DevinderAthwal306 They sold it to another company a long time ago.
Dean have you guys did a review yet on audio dynamics dsp yet or nah
Thanks....review thir tube car amps....not sure how they pulled it off.
@Destaye
The tubes are only in the "preamp" section. The main power output section is still just traditional solid-state mosfet transistors. It's not really a true "Tube Amplifier".
I'm not saying it will sound "bad". Several other High-End brands use the same technique to achieve excellent results, such as the DLS TA-2 amps and some of TRU-technology's amps.
When you decide to invest in a dsp, you should not go cheap . Buy a good one and enjoy for a lifetime. Everybody is coming out with a DSP now and most of them is just not good. If you need 12 channels of output, that means you are doing something serious so why would you not get a Helix Ultra and be done? No need to do all this guess work, and puzzle. Things should not be this complicated .
Dude , not everyone has $1500_$2000 to spend on a dsp but everyone deserves to hear excellent tunes. Even if it's an entry level dsp, it can change an ordinary sound system into something the listener can fall in love with.
@@colbydolby6559 I agree, you should not waste your money on separate dsp, and amplifiers. You should get one dsp amplifier and be done with it. Match M5DSP is a tiny 5 channel dsp amplifier that can run a full system for example and it costs around 600 bucks. Since it's tiny and very efficient you don't need a thick wire and space which means you save money. It doesn't need any load resistors, converters, etc either so you just get some 10ga wire, a few sockets for your car and you're done.
@@colbydolby6559 could not have said it better myself.
@@SubigarageIstanbulIs that Match a Class D amp or Class AB?
What about the other people in the car?
Can you guys explain how you would go about gain matching this DSP to your source unit? Would you use the master volume control, individual input volume controls or the mixer controls? Thanks!!
I have the same question. Please, if you can shed some light on this it would be quite helpful. As far as I am able to tell there is no clipping indicator. I have a DD1 but not sure how the process would work going from head unit, dsp, amplifier so as to make sure that there are no clipped signals from any piece in the process. Thanks Dean and Fernando.
2160??
I cant even make my kdc x304 sound good idk how to adjust the 13 band eq, i listen to all kinds of music mainly in spanish but still ive been at it for 2 weeks idk where to set the frequencies
You need to find an RTA, microphone etc and decide on what is called a house curve. JBL and Audiofrog are pretty popular but there are a few options. This is the best tip, level match the ouput closely and always CUT eq not boost eq wherever you can. On the Audiofrog website there is a wealth of tuning knowledge. Get yourself a few cervazas, keep distraction free for a few hours and strap youself in for information extreme. Then, read it all again and again until you know it. Good luck from Australia!
Who sells this ?
now im confused if i should get this or the audiocontrol dsp what would sound better
AudioControl likely. Also US made. But expensive. Helix Ftw. Can't afford it but it'd be my choice
@@accordv6erif someone is spending the money on a helix, I’d recommend spending just a little more and get a Mosconi.
Can you make a video or send me a nakamichi 4831a preset
Looks like a great piece. My questions are how much is it? Also where can you get it? You guys do not have it listed as one of the brands you sell. Anyone sell it in NE?
280 on ebay
@@Bondovw I don't think you're looking at the right one, this model is around $600 .
Almost identical to what? Must of the software for dsp, have similar functions, have play with helix, arc audio, audison, mosconi and alpine and they have similar function
I have the nds4610a and I am not a fan. Had bad customer service.
Aside from the bad customer service, how is the actual dsp? Sound?
@@0togtr811 cant get the software to work smh.
Nakamichi is now a Chinese company. Can we expect the same quality from the 80's?
🤔а почему нету русского перевода ?
Those are Trumps fingers
4th
Is it better than audio control dsp dm810
If it doesnt have the noise of the 810 id say yes.
Seems more complicated.
@@alphaomega8373 I have zero noise issues with my DM-810
i use the dm810 the dsp is very easy to set up and easy to use only drawback is the floor noise unfortunately that is in the unit itself
Second!?
OMG OMG,,uuucaa 🤨☢⚠️
Nakamichi has lost the car audio segment, all out dated ,their shops are empty in Dubai, no stuffs in the self's,☹🤷♂️Chinese car audio have spoiled the car audio market 💥💥💥💯👈
First?!
6ch dsp is almost as obsolete as home phones
Are you referring to having six input channels? Most radios these days have six output channels. With a DSP you really only need two full range input channels so I have no idea why you think it's obsolete.