Agreed Vengeance is such an amazing and fun game. I love seeing all the amazing strategies and builds from the megatin community. I got tired of playing the crit murakumo build and started watching videos of Paraselene Blur builds it is so satisfying to watch when the players pull it off. This game has given Nahobino a lot of toys to play with.
Yeah, when I see the original's builds (don't own a Switch so never played it), I see how it's always the same, and almost never Ikuyumi because "magic build bad". At least now, I can try more stuff and see how it goes. More replayability is always good.
@@loadingname5499 Apparently it's not? Well, I never even cared too much about the game to avoid spoilers, so I am likely to be wrong. The fusion tool doesn't mention it in the base game, in the skill list, so I guess it's not. Regardless, I've only seen Strength builds on base SMTV, which is understandable since New Testament Tablets weren't a thing anyway.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Murakumo just had the best damage in the base game. Lunar Hurricane, Parselene Blur, and Ikuyumi are all new to Vengeance, all of which will out-damage Murakumo in the right circumstances.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 ikuyumi was not in the base game. The only build for a damage dealing Nahobino in vanilla SMTV was a pure strength Murakumo crit build. Tbf, I copy/pasted that old build into my playthrough of Vengeance because I like it, but I'm glad other options exist. Whenever I decide to go back for my second playthrough, I definitely wanna try an evasion/counter Paraselene Blur.
Yeah, I noticed it pretty late. Had to check every demon's essence before and take note of which one had the skills I want. Then I pressed R1 by accident...
I either go for full damage or full support builds, as inbetweens don't allow for good enough damage outputs in battles. Glad to see it helped you make your mind for it :)
@@kaiserkreuz2110 A side question - did you end up doing much with Demi-Fiend? Was disappointed that he couldn’t really be altered as a “guest character”, did he get power-crept out by everyone else min-maxing? Or did you still find him relevant, even if just for affinity blocking? 🤔
@@jadenzekari9498 I only used him for Mitama-hunting on Safety (Gaea Rage did enough damage.) Chaotic Will is also solid, when you need it. Otherwise, power-crept and not very useful. I have better demons for resistances (all my Drain/Repel shield supports.)
Yeah. I love minmaxing, especially when the game still gives you challenges when you're done with it, so I'm happy about how Godborn handles things, comapred to Vanilla NG+.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Andd I gotta reload the last main playthrough (not the clear copy) so I can complete Amriti’s quest so I can later get Mastema. Lost 20 minutes of Godborn all because of Amriti.
Yeah, that's the kinda thing you notice late and when you're deep into the game. Thanks! Yeah, the Muu Shuwuu came from an idea pitched by a viewer and honestly, it's goated. Yeah, Mixed Nahobino is great for flexible builds.
I have quite a few demons I should probably replace Abyssal Mask on. I usually gave it to everyone out of habit because I did in the vanilla game, but being able to max Luck now likely does the same thing anyway.
Yeah, Chaotic Will from level 150 Demi-Fiend procs only 30% of the time if you have 999 Luck. Abyssal Mask is a waste of a slot at this point. Heck, I even sacrificed Enduring Soul on my nahobino just because I needed more damage, and Luminescent Mirage helps more (also Whittled Goat.)
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Having maxed a couple demons now myself, I personally think Vitality needs to have diminishing returns past a certain point relative to the attacking stat you're being hit by. Maxing VIT for the sake of beating the Virtual Battler just means everything in the base game can no longer damage you. Even Gaea Rage and Megido Ark on Godborn Hard only manage to do double-digit damage at most to 999 VIT targets. I know that ideally Virtual Battler would be the last thing you do in a file, but still. The numbers would only need a bit of tweaking to make the base game not completely fold to VIT max.
@mystereave314 I agree. Something I'll never be able to stress enough is how Defense worked on Nocturne: it just wasn't a thing in damage formulae. Vitality only affected Max HP, and even at a level around 50-60, demons like Preta were still a threat to you because of their tendencies to crit. And even with 999 HP, level 50+ enemies could potentially combo you to death. The only way to feel almighty (heh) was to have Masakados, and that's it. No super armor, no instakill immunity (except when having the right magatama for it), etc... I miss harder games that are not just obscure indie gems. PS: At least you can reset your nahobino by going on a Newborn route, but your demons will remain in the Compendium as you last registered them, I think.
So upset that Satan was completely Lackluster this game. I really hope someone gets around to modding his unique to be actually worthwhile, or giving him the Megido EX attack.
I can understand the OCD part well as someone diagnosed with it hahah... Even that skill list triggers it badly! 😭💀 But that drain all elements like, the symbols look so nice! 🤤🤭
Haha. Sorry I got it in the wrong order, I just try not to get too into it since I want to enjoy the game lol. Indeed, all Drain really be looking nice, or pattersn between Drain and Repel can look nice too, as long as it's all symmetric.
The nahobino build is great ngl, but then you remember all endgame bosses are resistant to light like seriously. Devs did Lunar Hurricane and PB dirty.
Yeah. Honestly you're better off having another DPS demon and use Nahobino as your support. However, it's always fun to use LH and PB from time to time.
Masakado is an absolute beast with critical zealot and murderous glee (recalcitrant execution is all you need... charge, double luster candy and impaler's glory... bam... 20k+ damage easily) Konohana sakuya, stole idun's spot and became best healer/buff support..(her also regening mp is a massive plus) Beelzebub, minus his sexism, is the best debuffer and has crazy good resistances for multi element coverage, Cleopatra is your gal... you don't even need debilitate on her, Frolic works just fine + high affinity to wind, light and ice Mephisto, the multi element tank + high affinity to fire and dark the Qadistus : they are all excellent for their role (Agrat with queen's decree is the crit fiend, lilith the leader as the tank, also mother earth for tanking, naamah is an excellent support who can decently tank... and i don't like eisheth (even tho she is good phys hitter... but others are way better) Shiva... can't say no to best husband and has great resistances...bit overshadowed but he's good Mastema... annoying bastard, but has great resistance. with 3 repels, crime and punishment alone makes him top tier... pair with nuwa and yoshitsune to literally have infinite press turns as for nahobino... i ran 2 builds murakumo, both almighty pleromas, charge, enduring soul, critical zealot, murderous glee, inflaming divinity other build murakumo, paraselene blur, high light and high almighty pleroma, elusive eclipse, murderous glee, crtical zealot, enduring soul (alilat with donum gladi to cover the charge)
A very cool list! Surprised to see Heavenly Ikuyumi in place of Murakumo. I think Ill take some notes for when I try the harder challenges myself Spoiler warning: Personally I love use Panagia Yoko and Idun. I know the later got nerfed but their among my favorite characters in this game. And of course Nahobeeho.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 It also takes a lot less skill slots to optimize Heavenly Ikuyumi for damage than Murakumo, as Murakumo requires that it crits to deal its highest potential damage, which introduces a whole bunch of other potential skills like critical zealot to make it inflict maximum possible damage.
@@Magnet977 yeah, there's that too. Although crit Ikuyumi is still possible and recommended, as I straight up do up to 13k with a single one (with Donum Magici on) or more than 30k with Omnipotent Succession and Critical enabled. Murakumo is good for any% speedruns, I'd say, but def falls short for superbosses.
@@meowsclesfeetfreak Aogami Type-D Essence: before you go to the Temple of Eternity, there's a single husk where you get the quest from Melchizedek, it's that one.
Hello! 😁 I’m new to SMTV Vengeance, almost done with my first play. Loving the game so much. Question, are these builds you make when you finish the game? Because right now, everyone on my team all have so many different skills for each member. Like one party member will have ice/ fire skills with a bunch of random support skills, the next member- their own random bunch of skills. It’s not organized builds like you have for everyone here. Is that normal for first plays? These organized builds per party member is something we build after finishing first playthroughs, correct?
Hello! You can make these builds before finishing the game, but it's best to leave that for stuff like superbosses and Virtual Trainer challenges. It's fine to have multi-usage party members, but ideally you want them to focus on one (or two) element with pleromas and more to keep the damage hard.
@ awesome! thank you so much for explaining 😁 As I reach end game I will try to make each one focus on one element, I also grew attached to like using the same few party members, gotta break that habit 😅 Will try to play more strategic on my hard mode run, thank you for your advice! Love your channel btw , really cool SMTV challenge run vids 😎
@@RE_Prince_Vegeta Thanks for the kind words! Hope you enjoy my Insaniax stream as well, since they play like a hybrid of Vengeance and Nocturne (but harder), so you might like to see how I'm hnadling it. You can also choose to stick with the same demons, because aside from a couple demons who are optimized for damage, almost every demon is viable for combat (even Slimes.) The key is to enjoy the game.
Shame Dadga and Satan are so lackluster, I love them both but it's hard to justify their use when they're outclased in almost all aspects by other demons.
Satan is a good use for his Adversary counter, but is still contextual. Dagda is good with Danu for their Magatsuhi special, but they both easily get outclassed by Zeus and Masakado as heavy-hitters, sadly.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Yea that's the issue Satan counter is too situation I honestly would have preferred if it was chance based and removed the stipulation of ailment requirement. And Dadga has alot of tools that in a vacuum stand out and seem great but he ends up being less than the sum of his parts. He can't make use of all of them at once and any set up just isn't worth the hassle. If he could be obtained early in the game he would have been fantastic to streamroll the playthrough but by the time you can reasonably be expected to obtain him he's already outclassed by so many other options. Still your idea of having Satan relegated to a drain support is a way I never considered using him so I'll definitely give that a try. And regardless of use I still run Dadga anyway because he's just too cool...
@@MegaOverclocked Yeah, something like the other retaliate Innates would be great. Or increase the input damage. For Dagda, I think if he could instakill even boss aides, it would be great. He'd be used in so many more situations, like Lucifer's Stars or Satan's summons, Hayataro in Yuzuru's fight, etc... (reminds me I'd need datamining for that, could be fun for speedruns as well.) Drain support Satan is probably the best use I found him to have, because other demons can do what he does offensively better, because I really loved the design, so I said "fuck it" and went through with it. Dagda is also very good. I liked fighting and getting him. Danu is pretty great too!
Thank you for this! Proper excited to try Godborn (I missed the sidequest in my first run). Haven't seen much reliable information on it so far, but I've heard Balms/Incenses/Sutras are much easier to come across, or can be farmed at certain places?
You can buy them from Gustave (barred Health/Stamina) so all you ned to do is farm Macca (easy with the Mitama DLC.) No problem! Have fun with Godborn!
Nice video ! Sakuya's so good but I don't want to buy DLCs, so I'm using Tao, which I guess is the best alternative since she won't null Beelzebub's innate, unlike Idun. I should give donum gladi/magici to Beelz and make him full support, I just couldn't bring myself to get rid of his Death Flies and High Dark Pleroma lol
Thanks! I guess Tao is good enough for that alone, although I don't like using her (Light of Order just takes up so much MP it's not really viable...) Beelzebub is also a good attacker, so alternatively you could have Yoko as a debuffer (since her signature move does decent damage + Dekaja + Debilitate.) I just got too comfortable using flyguy as a debuffer (love him since Nocturne so can't get rid of him lol.) Honestly, Beelzebub fares better than Satan and Lucifer as an ally because Death Flies actually deals good damage. Lucifer is only good for support which he has no positive potential for, so even then he's not viable, and Satan is no better than any top magical attacker, so I'd say you can play Beel however you want and not missing out on anything.
@@kaiserkreuz2110yeah, Death Flies is surprisingly strong for an AOE, far stronger than like Megido Flame. It needs Impaler Animus tho and the MP cost is also a bit much. Will definitely consider Yoko, I like using new demons.
@@happe9448 Yeah, Death Flies would benefit from Imapler's Animus/Glory (can be transferred to him via Khonsu and Arahabaki.) Yoko is good if you specialize her in Almighty offense with maybe one support move.
Hey uh i finished the game the first time and idk how to get the new tsukuyomi skills so i finished the game without the new moves and the only superboss i beat is sheeva. I guess i need to replay the game again to get to the other superbosses
If you are on canon of vengeance, talk to the researcher lady on Diet building. She's down the stairs, it's where you Offer Assistance to unlock dlc. You only unlock corresponding Tsukuyomi essences when progressing the story. The final one is when you enter Temple of Eternity, you can redeem Tsukuyomi Ultimus from her.
For the new Tsukiyomi skills, you need to go to the area where you first fought Nuwa in her demon form and talk to one of the scientists. There's a total of 3 essences.
granted you have done godborne hard already can i ask how high satan's and demifiend's stats are in that mode and also masakado's(regular and true masakado) as well?
I have to ask why Critical Zealot on the Nahobino? Assuming you are doing Ikuyumi wouldn’t it just do less damage since it’s a magic attack unless you have a Lahmu or a Sandalphon in your party.
@@mrgrottle2471 Yeah, all Nahobino builds are good, but for level 999 bosses and such, you almost require support builds for other demons to build insane damage.
Hey sorry if this is a noob question but I was wondering how you got all the defenses on demons such as all the drain and repel on your Beezlebub? I check the skill list/recipe generator you have linked but it only has drain dark as a selectable option.
Hey! No problem. All the Drain and Repel skills are obtained from very high level demons (Drain/Repel Dark from Beelzebub/Vishnu which you got from chests in the Empyrean, and also Repel Light from Metatron which you get after beating him.) Most are quest-related (Fire, Ice, Force, Elec, Drain Light), some are ending-related (the Phys ones.) Hope this helps!
@ thank you for responding and pointing me in the right direction. Still taking my time with my first play through so I have a bit to go but I’m sure I’ll be back to your videos and this comment when the time comes. Just one more question for now, so that I don’t waste them, but are the quest related ones reusable or will I have to do another play through to obtain them. Don’t just want to through them on any demon and be selective if that’s the case.
@@13jvin You can re-obtain every essence you want as long as you summon the demon and level it up enough (I should've covered that in this video tbh so that's my bad.) After learning all its skills, you need to level it up until it gives you the essence. If you're short on Grimoires, you can save scum.
@@katakuricharlotte4179 Nah, you're good! You just need to clear Level 100 of Challenge mode for each boss rush. If you do it all on Godborn, it's even easier than normal since enemies are set to level 150.
Boon Boost EX is rarified by only be obtainable through Shiva and Beelzebub's Essences, and I was too lazy to farm one, especially since BB is actually useless on her as she basically buffs at least once every turn.
i'm almost done with building the nahobino, i'm warming on the battle of chaos at level 999 just like your other video suggested. i'm currently using only him as a damage dealer, is it better to use two? like matama, the one you used in that video
@@darky1677 If you're doing the fights on Safety, focus on damage dealing, as the enemy damage output is rediculously low. Demi-Fiend isn't that good since you can't up his stats more, so I suggest Masakado as a damage dealer, or Mastema.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 oh yeah i meant mastema lmao i didn't remember his name. the build you used on the video is different from this one tho, should i just copy this one?
For the level 999 challenges, how necessary is it to max out the stats needed to 999? Like will I get one shotted if I only level up Vitality to like 500? Just wanted to know cause this sounds like a LOT of grinding LOL
@@zambiep5 Yeah, you'll get one shot easily. Even at 999, the final boss rushes are very painful. Lucifer does 600+ damage with his "Element" of God to my whole team with 999 Vitality.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Maaaaaan looks like it’s time to grind millions of macca. I mean it’s very easy with the dlc and all, but still very tedious. Thank god they only cost 25k Great builds tho! Always wanted to build a Satan but his Megiddo Arc sucks major balls against most bosses lmaooo The amount of customization this game allows is great I love it
@@zambiep5 yeah, farming is still farming. Megido Ark does suck against a single target. And since there are rarely more than 4 enemies at the same time, it's just a trash ability compared to whatever else you can cook with him. Thanks for the kind words! Yeah, the amount of customization for this game is pretty great.
@@kaiserkreuz2110Is Abyssal mask worth keeping on any demons at this level? I have it on most demons for the Demi fiend fight on my first run but once the luck stat is 999, is it just not necessary anymore?
@@zambiep5 Nah, the chances of you getting instakilled are so low that AM isn't even necessary anymore. Maybe on level 999 bosses but even then, you want to use that skill slot for better stuff.
No, but the crit rate is very high: the goal is that you want to buff Masakado and have as many active effects (IE buffs) on him at all times. These things boost both his critical rate and his critical damage by a lot thanks to his innate skill, Scarlet Blade. Honestly you could forge the regular pleroma and crit rate skills and just go with the high pleroma and Murderous Glee depending on your preferences, and use the other 2 skill slots for other skills/resistances. I would consider Critical Zealot mandatory for him in endgame builds however. the 50% damage boost from it on a critical hit is substantial due to how much damage it offers.
I just started my godborn playthrough and while im somewhat dissapointed with Lucifer, i can see myself making good use of satan who'll probably end up being my tank support demon should i decide to switch off my tanky murakumo build for nahobino Still i wanna give lucifer another chance... tho i feel itll be mostly me using root of evil to remove charge and pierces off bosses
Hey here with another question Does Odin's passive stack with physical attacks, or only with Strength based attacks like Freikugel, element Dracostrike, etc? Thanks again for your guides
Since the newcomer healer heals mp, is Idun worse? Also the nahabino just dodging attacks with a skill and providing a strong counterattack after base smt 5 already bringing a "medium" strength based almighty skill for the nahabino as strong as freikugel that is way earlier and cheaper as well as murakumo as well as the demifiend essense shows me that izanagi no okami picaro wasn't a mistake and they had no reason to make satanael in p3r scuffed.
The issue with Sakuya is that with just the MP heal alone, she outclasses every other healer (except Demeter.) Idun is still good, but when you have Sakuya, she's objectively the "worse" choice. I like that you can get OP in the game and still face challenges, especially since vanilla V doesn't give you nearly as many options to build your Nahobino (usually resorting to either Fig Slash, Murakumo or support, magic being "less than optimal".)
@kaiserkreuz2110 BTW what new support or passive skills from the nahabino do I need to know about and since recovery is based on the magic stat which can reach 999, how much healing and mp do you recover from a max magic sakuya?
@@daniellejackson6543 Healing is based off Magic, but the crux of the calculi is the percentage of HP/MP it heals. Sakuya has an innate skills that doubles healing if she's buffed. She usually heals 55-60 MP and 550-600 HP with that effect active (no Bowl of Hygieia or Heal Pleroma.) I don't know which skills were in the original and which weren't. I think Revival Chant is a new one. A definite new set of support skills are from the Tsukuyomi essences though: Lunation Flux (MP heal + no Press Turn consumed), Luminescent Mirage (guaranteed evasion), Intercalation (+1 flashing Press Turn per successful evade), Elusive Eclipse (Pierce Phys counter around 300 base power when evading an enemy attack.) The dodge tank builds are pretty great.
@kaiserkreuz2110 revival chant is in the og game. Also is there a cap to dodge chance since I heard that ability determines dodge chance and due to the new game plus addition of buying balms and incense(should've been in the base game I would've loved that), what is the passive dodge chance with max agility and passive dodge moves and agility boosts? I want to know because the new skill seems to only allow you to dodge one attack.
@@kaiserkreuz2110got it, a complete noob here, so thank you! Do you have a few examples of such demons? Also what is the skill called? And does that demon need to be max level to get the skill from the essence?
@@irtjames14 The names of the skills are "Repel/Drain [Element]", you need the Art of Essences miracles to get them. You can check the link in the description to see which demon has what you want, then you fuse it and level it up one by one until you get your Essence.
@@kaiserkreuz2110i may be confused here, but your main character doesnt have any repel/drain skill but has resist for all affinities. Not sure how this works..
@@irtjames14 He can extract affinities from essences, unlike other demons. I used the Demi-Fiend superboss's essence for nullifying all elements and ailments, but none repel or drain.
Oh yeah, the SMT franchise isn't known to be beginner-friendly even for RPG fans. That's what makes them awesome as well: once you get in the groove, you can do some really funky stuff.
Is it possible to do lv999 fights without grinding to Max stats? I’m curious if doing lv100 virtual trainer bosses at lv99 (pre-godborn) is comparable to superbosses like Shiva and Demi-fiend.
At least to the 800s and 999 vit for the last couple bosses (like Lucifer.) No, they should still be easier than superbosses at level 100 because they retain their usual patterns. Plus, True Lucifer is literally level 99, so level 100 hardly matters.
Best essence for Naho is Demi-Fiend for complete ailment Null, but if you want natural Repel/Drain Phys, you can check Nuwa (Serpentine) and Abdiel (Fallen)'s
@@Brickman430 Not always. Masakado doesn't, Shiva does it anyway for Tandava, I heard Satan does spam megido Ark though, so at least for him I'd advise not to. It depends on what you want, really. I suggest Alilat who's got the second best ailment resistances (3 null, 3 resists) and no weakness, but only Light and Dark resist. Otherwise, the best affinity essences are sadly superboss demons' like Lucifer (Devil) with 2 null and one Repel iirc, and 4 ailment null, or Satan (no ailment Null but 3 Drain and resist Phys.)
Yup. You can fuse the demon you want the essence from, then level them up to the max with grimoires. Assuming you unlocked Moral Transcendence (level cap to 150), you're guaranteed to be given the demon's essence at some point.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 It's been 4 weeks since this so you probably know, but if you do it on a full moon you should get the essence each time (Pretty sure it requires them to learn all the skills that they come with). I did it with Fallen Abdiel for repel phys, though it requires macca in certain cases (I used the dlc) since it gets expensive.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Might be odd to ask since it's not entirely related to the video, but I've been wondering about a Paraselene blur build. The build is like this: 1. Paraselene 2. Luminescent mirage 3. Fierce roar 4. Intercalation 5. Light pleroma 6. High light pleroma 7. Evergreen dance 8. Elusive eclipse My question was mostly around the evergreen dance skill. I thought of running impaler Animus, but then had the idea to use dance to use a impalers glory and I'm not sure which is more preferred. Sorry if I'm bothering with this. Have a good day! Edit: Not sure if energy drain can fit in here anywhere/if it's necessary.
@@Nothing-fc2so I don't think you wanna lose turns with Evergreen Dance. I'd rather use more Paraselene with High Restore to keep getting MP refills instead, then go for Omnipotent Succession on Magatsuhi turns. As for adding a Pierce effect, either replace a less useful skill by Impaler's Animus, or wait for Glory turns, but while it seems like it, Evergreen isn't useful at all. I tried to make it useful for my low level runs, but it was never working.
Who do you think is a better hitter using the strategize + adversity cheese Gogmagog or Arioch? I'm not sure how their respective passive's multipliers work tho. Edit: I'm thinking Arioch because you can leave some demons on your stock dead, whereas Gogmagog's need weaknesses, which from my perspective isn't practical because you need active party members to null and drain attacks (and not with my young man equipped with DF essence). I might be answering my own question but I wanna know what you think
Thank you again for taking time to answer. PS: I saw your explanation regarding mitama killers. I tried putting high/restores instead of nulls on Matador. So far it's working fine, not having to worry about running out of MP. Basically its a free yabu shot.
@@highwizard6764 Yeah, the only necessities for Crippling Blow users are Yabusame Shot (+9 cept for Mot who has no Phys potential) and Safeguard. The rest is up to you, really, I like builds with leeway. Thanks! And that's normal. I try to help as the game's still young.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 would like to add that using ippon datara as navigator also helps with mitama farming just started godborn and mitama farming is already fun lol
Thanks a lot man, really appreciate🎉❤ Also, for Zeus you go something like that? Keraunos Both Glees Normal and High Elec Pleroma Critical Zealot Repel/Drain Force Enduring Soul I was running a Odin setup as well in the backgroud for emergencies Gungnir Both Glees Normal and High Pleroma Critical Zealot Drain/Repel Force Enduring Soul Same thing, but phys instead basically, in the end i switch normal pleromas by repel phys for Demi-Fiend as well overall survivability Great video as always man, wish best luck for you🎉❤
@@kaiserkreuz2110 I see that you mention Zaou-Gongen as well, from what i see on you another video has at least: Hell Thrust Akashic Arts Repel Phys By the damage 1500ish in Lucifer and 3k crit on Morning Star Hell Thrust Akashic Arts Repel Phys Phys Pleroma High Phys Pleroma Critical Zealot maybe something like that? he didn't proc Endure or Enduring Soul, but i make him like that in the end Hell Thrust Akashic Arts Repel Phys Drain Elec Phys Pleroma High Phys Pleroma Critical Zealot Enduring Soul Lucifer loves spam Tentarafoo and Evil Gleam when Masakado is up and Thunder of God when is Zaou-Gongen, that's why i put Drain Elec as well His chance of crit is not the best with this setup, for me personally, i crit 1/6 of times, and reducing 5 times the damage to crit one time is rough
@@kaiserkreuz2110 I only use Zaou in True Lucifer, and Akashic Arts don't naturally pierce, so i make some modifications after the battles in levels 500 and 600: Hell Thrust Phys Pleroma High Phys Pleroma Murderous Glee Critical Zealot Enduring Soul Drain Elec Repel Phys Pierce through, have decent damage, can be increase by Sankosho (his innate skill) with Nahobino attacking as well, both Pleromas to increase damage, a better crit rate thanks to Murderous Glee, critical zealot is better in this case, because i'm crit 1/3~4 times (a little better), and survivability with Drain Elec, Repel Phys and Enduring Soul, with did not proc a single time, but is good to have Edit: And thanks for responding me, i really like conversations about builds in games and stuff, but none of my friends really plays much games like this, really appreciate, and if i say something wrong, i'm Brazilian and all my english is from games, music, movies and things like this, but i'm getting better 😂
@@gabrielferraz1876 Yeah that's a very good build. Definitely useful for Lucifer 3, instead of wasting turns healing Tentafaroos and Evil Gleams on Masakado. No problem. i love discussing stuff like this too. Especially since RPG are becoming nicher thanks to "hurr durr need muh akshun gayms" (I'm trolling here, I love high octane games as well.) Your English is quite good. I'm French, so English is not my first language either, so I definitely won't judge (and got judged a lot for it in the past, and it's definitely not something I want anyone to go through, because it's just mean and stupid to do.)
@@UsernameWinvalid 10 on enjoyment alone. In a more critical way of thinking, 8-9/10. It has flaws, mainly the story and characters, but gameplay is what I'd expect from SMT since Nocturne and then some. The demons look fantastic, the environments are gorgeous (not talking about graphic fidelity, just the design), the OST straight up slaps, etc... I'd say the game being more accessible leads to less funny bullshit moments, but that's not that big of a deal, compared to the slop we've been given by AAA studios lately... So yeah, overall the two games I bought this year, being this one and Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth, both had disappointing stories and character arcs, but are very good games if we except that (and I prefer that than the exact opposite like FFXVI, I felt wronged playing that game...) Sorry for the wall of text, sometimes I just keep writing.
@@UsernameWinvalid Thanks! Yeah, I'm not saying this is acquired tastes or anything, but when I get asked to rate/criticize a game, I at least bring arguments, because even I wouldn't find my own claims to be legitimate if I don't. Part of me wants to continue playing this game for speedruns and stuff, but another part of needs to keep my professionalism and get back to work on my passion projects lol. If a game does that to me, it's undoubtedly S-tier. (Also preventing me from playing the games on my backlog lol.) We need more games like this. Good RPG are not dead... just hidden behind mountains of slop, unfortunately...
I've been using your Nahobino build to play CoC (I don't have Masakado yet) It's been a lot of fun, I'm not much of a Try Hard type and I wanted a consistent way to test new skills since Murakumo all the way can be boring, your build was the best I've found so far. I intend to get all the achievements in the game since I've been doing this with all the Atlus games recently, but I still don't understand how to get Lucifer and Satan to complete the compendium, People teach several different ways and none of them seem to make sense as they always contradict each other in some way. Do I need to start Godborn? Have the 999 miracle? Finish the game on Godborn? Do the True Neutral Ending in Godborn? Do I even need to be in Godborn? I'm going crazy with so much inconsistency and misinformation.
Thanks for the kind words! This was the most comfortable I could go with after countless challenges. To answer your question, I'll tell you my own experience: I first did CoC True Neutral Ending, then went CoV and beat Satan, unlocked the Moral Transcendance Miracle, then beat Lucifer as an Extremely powerful being (so, True Neutral Lucifer), then I had both unlocked as fusions. because I missed Armaiti though, I had to redo CoV to get Satan. Lucifer is just Metatron x Beelzebub. TL;DR: True Ending in Godborn is bullshit. For the platinum, you can just finish a regular playthrough and never touch this mode again (although it's much more fun than Reborn.) Hope this helps!
@@kaiserkreuz2110 It actually helped a lot, I was already planning to do the true neutral ending anyway, I played Vengeance before to get the new experience since I played the original years ago, I defeated Lucifer 99 in Vengeance choosing the option without knowing the difference lol but it was a lot more fun, I haven't beaten Satan yet but I definitely tried it with your build maybe focusing on Blur with Light pleromas to do more damage since I still don't have maxed out stats (currently at 230 strength) Thank you very much.
@@johnny8363 Yeah, the main difference is that I didn't play the og game (I'm a Nontendo guy, *ba dum tss*) so I started with CoC, getting 90% of the stuff done. Yeah, good luck on Satan. I suggest you go full multi-target damage, ideally with Piercing attacks. Someone in another video's comments used my suggestion to go Magic with Moonlight Frost, as it's a multi target attack that Pierces, and have other like Amon's Megido Flame, Zeus' Keraunos on Satan etc... not to let him eat demons. Paraselene Blur is good to use, though, if you make him eat Kaiwan and can clobber him with more Light/Phys/Almighty attacks with your other demons. Keep Demeter or a Mediarahan healer, and a demon for Donum Gladi/Magici. Satan is doable without cheese on Hard. I'll actually try to make a regular NG run of him when I get time, to see how to get him down without having to resort to 40-min fights or OTK cheese (although i'd keep an emergency Muu Shuwuu for his Trisagion.)
@@kaiserkreuz2110 I never thought about doing it with multi target attacks but it seems good since it won't gain resistances/immunities, any ideas on a build for Cleopatra? I've been using it as my main debuffer, I thought about changing to Beelzebub but she's fine for now
@@johnny8363 Beelzebub might not be a good pick anyway, since apparently, if you debuff his summons twice, he spams Megido Ark in return. Cleopatra hmm... She can be a healer and debuffer, then maybe add a Hamabarion for single target. The rest is usual durability checks. What other demons are you using?
@@kaiserkreuz2110 I see. I’m building for Satan right now, and was considering between arioch and madskado, but I’m probably using arioch just for minimized grinding
@@YukkertonYuki Ba'al is good. He could be a good support, or a damager. Both are tempting. Try with what you need in your team, and check the vid for both build types. It all depends on his Skill Potential.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 So kind off like satans build in a way (i obviously stole ur goated mastema build and demeter) so i'd say my best shot might be support
@@YukkertonYuki Thanks! Actually, just checked and Ba'al would be a bad support, as he has no positive potential for support (heal is -3), but he's a good elemental wild card, so you can play it Fire, Force, Elec or Light.
@@YukkertonYuki Yup. You can use Trisagion and Ma/Hamabarion for example, although you should focus on one element, and I suggest one with a Pierce move to add to your regular (something like Force +9: Killing Wind +9, Mazanbarion +9, (normal and High) Force Pleroma, Enduring Soul) and if you wanna go both Str and Mag, Wind Dracostrike +9 and Critical Zealot (since str-based attacks can crit)
You need the Miracle that allows you to extract all skills of a single essence. If you haven't done so, keep striking Abscesses (or look to a guide on which one gives the miracle you want, since they're all fixed.)
There are level 999 boss challenges you can do, and maxing stats out isn't a luxury for these (Lucifer can still one shot my demons with ease.) Plus, the point of Godborn is to actually be able to build your characters better, since you are able to buy Balms and Incenses from Gustave in droves. I will never agree with the "cheating" part. The game offers this option to you, it's not like I'm constantly using cheese strats to kill bosses. I will agree, however, on the Demi-Fiend in need to be buffed more. Satan could also benefit from more, because 566 in every stat, even with 850 Vitality, isn't really a big challenge anymore.
Agreed Vengeance is such an amazing and fun game. I love seeing all the amazing strategies and builds from the megatin community. I got tired of playing the crit murakumo build and started watching videos of Paraselene Blur builds it is so satisfying to watch when the players pull it off. This game has given Nahobino a lot of toys to play with.
Yeah, when I see the original's builds (don't own a Switch so never played it), I see how it's always the same, and almost never Ikuyumi because "magic build bad".
At least now, I can try more stuff and see how it goes. More replayability is always good.
@@kaiserkreuz2110ikuyumi was in the base game?
@@loadingname5499 Apparently it's not? Well, I never even cared too much about the game to avoid spoilers, so I am likely to be wrong. The fusion tool doesn't mention it in the base game, in the skill list, so I guess it's not.
Regardless, I've only seen Strength builds on base SMTV, which is understandable since New Testament Tablets weren't a thing anyway.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Murakumo just had the best damage in the base game. Lunar Hurricane, Parselene Blur, and Ikuyumi are all new to Vengeance, all of which will out-damage Murakumo in the right circumstances.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 ikuyumi was not in the base game. The only build for a damage dealing Nahobino in vanilla SMTV was a pure strength Murakumo crit build. Tbf, I copy/pasted that old build into my playthrough of Vengeance because I like it, but I'm glad other options exist. Whenever I decide to go back for my second playthrough, I definitely wanna try an evasion/counter Paraselene Blur.
Thanks for reminding me how amazing the Reason battle theme is
All big boss themes in Nocturne are jams. The Reasons, Kagutsuchi, Lucifer, Dante/Raidou, Metatron and Beelzebub. Amazing.
aaaand its peak aaaand its kino aaaand we’re so back🔥
@@G0OG4 LOL thanks
holy fucking shit I never knew you could organize essence based on moves available in them, that's grind-saving!!
Yeah, I noticed it pretty late. Had to check every demon's essence before and take note of which one had the skills I want. Then I pressed R1 by accident...
the search functioned saved my life
Thrilled to see so many of my planned builds brought to life (give or take an ability), means I’m headed in the right direction for sure 😝
I either go for full damage or full support builds, as inbetweens don't allow for good enough damage outputs in battles. Glad to see it helped you make your mind for it :)
@@kaiserkreuz2110 A side question - did you end up doing much with Demi-Fiend? Was disappointed that he couldn’t really be altered as a “guest character”, did he get power-crept out by everyone else min-maxing? Or did you still find him relevant, even if just for affinity blocking? 🤔
@@jadenzekari9498 I only used him for Mitama-hunting on Safety (Gaea Rage did enough damage.)
Chaotic Will is also solid, when you need it. Otherwise, power-crept and not very useful. I have better demons for resistances (all my Drain/Repel shield supports.)
Thanks dude this helps out a lot in terms of building hella love your vids!
Yeah, you can do so many things with demon/team building in this game, i love it.
Thanks for the kind words!
Doing gods work for us smoothie brains. 🙏🏽🙏🏽
Thanks! Just trying to help :)
5:41 almost 500 hours and I didn't know this...
Yeah, took me a while as well...
It’s awesome how you can basically fight all bosses in a re-released turn based game and attain 999 in all stats with just 2 playthroughs.
Yeah. I love minmaxing, especially when the game still gives you challenges when you're done with it, so I'm happy about how Godborn handles things, comapred to Vanilla NG+.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Andd I gotta reload the last main playthrough (not the clear copy) so I can complete Amriti’s quest so I can later get Mastema. Lost 20 minutes of Godborn all because of Amriti.
@@leosnap7831I know the struggle, Armaiti was one of my very last demons to unlock.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 ironically, my last few demons which i have't yet fused or teamed up with are the mid game ones...(setanta, narcissus etc...)
Kinda shocked so many people didn't know you could search for skills. Cool builds tho, especially Muu Shuwuu lmao. Also a fan of the mixed Nahobino
Yeah, that's the kinda thing you notice late and when you're deep into the game.
Thanks! Yeah, the Muu Shuwuu came from an idea pitched by a viewer and honestly, it's goated.
Yeah, Mixed Nahobino is great for flexible builds.
This game is incredible
@@raoulLupin It is!
I have quite a few demons I should probably replace Abyssal Mask on. I usually gave it to everyone out of habit because I did in the vanilla game, but being able to max Luck now likely does the same thing anyway.
Yeah, Chaotic Will from level 150 Demi-Fiend procs only 30% of the time if you have 999 Luck. Abyssal Mask is a waste of a slot at this point. Heck, I even sacrificed Enduring Soul on my nahobino just because I needed more damage, and Luminescent Mirage helps more (also Whittled Goat.)
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Having maxed a couple demons now myself, I personally think Vitality needs to have diminishing returns past a certain point relative to the attacking stat you're being hit by.
Maxing VIT for the sake of beating the Virtual Battler just means everything in the base game can no longer damage you. Even Gaea Rage and Megido Ark on Godborn Hard only manage to do double-digit damage at most to 999 VIT targets.
I know that ideally Virtual Battler would be the last thing you do in a file, but still. The numbers would only need a bit of tweaking to make the base game not completely fold to VIT max.
@mystereave314 I agree. Something I'll never be able to stress enough is how Defense worked on Nocturne: it just wasn't a thing in damage formulae.
Vitality only affected Max HP, and even at a level around 50-60, demons like Preta were still a threat to you because of their tendencies to crit. And even with 999 HP, level 50+ enemies could potentially combo you to death. The only way to feel almighty (heh) was to have Masakados, and that's it. No super armor, no instakill immunity (except when having the right magatama for it), etc... I miss harder games that are not just obscure indie gems.
PS: At least you can reset your nahobino by going on a Newborn route, but your demons will remain in the Compendium as you last registered them, I think.
So upset that Satan was completely Lackluster this game. I really hope someone gets around to modding his unique to be actually worthwhile, or giving him the Megido EX attack.
Agreed! Such a missed opportunity with the Primal Talisman, but no... Impaler's Glory.
I can understand the OCD part well as someone diagnosed with it hahah... Even that skill list triggers it badly! 😭💀 But that drain all elements like, the symbols look so nice! 🤤🤭
Haha. Sorry I got it in the wrong order, I just try not to get too into it since I want to enjoy the game lol.
Indeed, all Drain really be looking nice, or pattersn between Drain and Repel can look nice too, as long as it's all symmetric.
The nahobino build is great ngl, but then you remember all endgame bosses are resistant to light like seriously. Devs did Lunar Hurricane and PB dirty.
Yeah. Honestly you're better off having another DPS demon and use Nahobino as your support. However, it's always fun to use LH and PB from time to time.
Masakado is an absolute beast with critical zealot and murderous glee (recalcitrant execution is all you need... charge, double luster candy and impaler's glory... bam... 20k+ damage easily)
Konohana sakuya, stole idun's spot and became best healer/buff support..(her also regening mp is a massive plus)
Beelzebub, minus his sexism, is the best debuffer and has crazy good resistances
for multi element coverage, Cleopatra is your gal... you don't even need debilitate on her, Frolic works just fine + high affinity to wind, light and ice
Mephisto, the multi element tank + high affinity to fire and dark
the Qadistus : they are all excellent for their role (Agrat with queen's decree is the crit fiend, lilith the leader as the tank, also mother earth for tanking, naamah is an excellent support who can decently tank... and i don't like eisheth (even tho she is good phys hitter... but others are way better)
Shiva... can't say no to best husband and has great resistances...bit overshadowed but he's good
Mastema... annoying bastard, but has great resistance. with 3 repels, crime and punishment alone makes him top tier... pair with nuwa and yoshitsune to literally have infinite press turns
as for nahobino... i ran 2 builds
murakumo, both almighty pleromas, charge, enduring soul, critical zealot, murderous glee, inflaming divinity
other build
murakumo, paraselene blur, high light and high almighty pleroma, elusive eclipse, murderous glee, crtical zealot, enduring soul (alilat with donum gladi to cover the charge)
Solid team and builds.
666 subscribers, this man is the chosen one
So that's why Satan whispered incomprehensible things to me in my dreams last night...
A very cool list! Surprised to see Heavenly Ikuyumi in place of Murakumo. I think Ill take some notes for when I try the harder challenges myself
Spoiler warning:
Personally I love use Panagia Yoko and Idun. I know the later got nerfed but their among my favorite characters in this game. And of course Nahobeeho.
@@l30ng62 thanks! Yeah, Heavenly Ikuyumi just does much more damage than Murakumo, with the right setup.
Great choices btw.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 where do you find heavenly ikuyumi? i dont think i ever found any of the new husks at all except type-10 or something
@@kaiserkreuz2110 It also takes a lot less skill slots to optimize Heavenly Ikuyumi for damage than Murakumo, as Murakumo requires that it crits to deal its highest potential damage, which introduces a whole bunch of other potential skills like critical zealot to make it inflict maximum possible damage.
@@Magnet977 yeah, there's that too. Although crit Ikuyumi is still possible and recommended, as I straight up do up to 13k with a single one (with Donum Magici on) or more than 30k with Omnipotent Succession and Critical enabled. Murakumo is good for any% speedruns, I'd say, but def falls short for superbosses.
@@meowsclesfeetfreak Aogami Type-D Essence: before you go to the Temple of Eternity, there's a single husk where you get the quest from Melchizedek, it's that one.
Hello! 😁 I’m new to SMTV Vengeance, almost done with my first play. Loving the game so much. Question, are these builds you make when you finish the game? Because right now, everyone on my team all have so many different skills for each member. Like one party member will have ice/ fire skills with a bunch of random support skills, the next member- their own random bunch of skills. It’s not organized builds like you have for everyone here. Is that normal for first plays? These organized builds per party member is something we build after finishing first playthroughs, correct?
Hello! You can make these builds before finishing the game, but it's best to leave that for stuff like superbosses and Virtual Trainer challenges. It's fine to have multi-usage party members, but ideally you want them to focus on one (or two) element with pleromas and more to keep the damage hard.
@ awesome! thank you so much for explaining 😁 As I reach end game I will try to make each one focus on one element, I also grew attached to like using the same few party members, gotta break that habit 😅 Will try to play more strategic on my hard mode run, thank you for your advice! Love your channel btw , really cool SMTV challenge run vids 😎
@@RE_Prince_Vegeta Thanks for the kind words! Hope you enjoy my Insaniax stream as well, since they play like a hybrid of Vengeance and Nocturne (but harder), so you might like to see how I'm hnadling it.
You can also choose to stick with the same demons, because aside from a couple demons who are optimized for damage, almost every demon is viable for combat (even Slimes.) The key is to enjoy the game.
then there is me using a drain tank slime for memes
If I had patience, I'd make a level 1 slime one-shot kill Satan, but it'd take me hours, so I'll leave it to someone with a lot of time to waste lol.
Shame Dadga and Satan are so lackluster, I love them both but it's hard to justify their use when they're outclased in almost all aspects by other demons.
Satan is a good use for his Adversary counter, but is still contextual. Dagda is good with Danu for their Magatsuhi special, but they both easily get outclassed by Zeus and Masakado as heavy-hitters, sadly.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Yea that's the issue Satan counter is too situation I honestly would have preferred if it was chance based and removed the stipulation of ailment requirement.
And Dadga has alot of tools that in a vacuum stand out and seem great but he ends up being less than the sum of his parts. He can't make use of all of them at once and any set up just isn't worth the hassle. If he could be obtained early in the game he would have been fantastic to streamroll the playthrough but by the time you can reasonably be expected to obtain him he's already outclassed by so many other options.
Still your idea of having Satan relegated to a drain support is a way I never considered using him so I'll definitely give that a try. And regardless of use I still run Dadga anyway because he's just too cool...
@@MegaOverclocked Yeah, something like the other retaliate Innates would be great. Or increase the input damage.
For Dagda, I think if he could instakill even boss aides, it would be great. He'd be used in so many more situations, like Lucifer's Stars or Satan's summons, Hayataro in Yuzuru's fight, etc... (reminds me I'd need datamining for that, could be fun for speedruns as well.)
Drain support Satan is probably the best use I found him to have, because other demons can do what he does offensively better, because I really loved the design, so I said "fuck it" and went through with it.
Dagda is also very good. I liked fighting and getting him. Danu is pretty great too!
Thank you for this! Proper excited to try Godborn (I missed the sidequest in my first run). Haven't seen much reliable information on it so far, but I've heard Balms/Incenses/Sutras are much easier to come across, or can be farmed at certain places?
You can buy them from Gustave (barred Health/Stamina) so all you ned to do is farm Macca (easy with the Mitama DLC.)
No problem! Have fun with Godborn!
Would have been cool if they actually made Megido Ark a good move
Ikr! Such wasted potential...
I think I would prefer to use murakumo instead of heavenly ikuyumi as the former can crit innately without sandalphon or Lahmu.
@@garlanramadhan4291 matter of choice. Ikuyumi is more powerful, but ultimately crit = more turns, so Murakumo is still viable.
Nice video ! Sakuya's so good but I don't want to buy DLCs, so I'm using Tao, which I guess is the best alternative since she won't null Beelzebub's innate, unlike Idun. I should give donum gladi/magici to Beelz and make him full support, I just couldn't bring myself to get rid of his Death Flies and High Dark Pleroma lol
Thanks! I guess Tao is good enough for that alone, although I don't like using her (Light of Order just takes up so much MP it's not really viable...)
Beelzebub is also a good attacker, so alternatively you could have Yoko as a debuffer (since her signature move does decent damage + Dekaja + Debilitate.) I just got too comfortable using flyguy as a debuffer (love him since Nocturne so can't get rid of him lol.)
Honestly, Beelzebub fares better than Satan and Lucifer as an ally because Death Flies actually deals good damage. Lucifer is only good for support which he has no positive potential for, so even then he's not viable, and Satan is no better than any top magical attacker, so I'd say you can play Beel however you want and not missing out on anything.
@@kaiserkreuz2110yeah, Death Flies is surprisingly strong for an AOE, far stronger than like Megido Flame. It needs Impaler Animus tho and the MP cost is also a bit much. Will definitely consider Yoko, I like using new demons.
@@happe9448 Yeah, Death Flies would benefit from Imapler's Animus/Glory (can be transferred to him via Khonsu and Arahabaki.)
Yoko is good if you specialize her in Almighty offense with maybe one support move.
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Take my hand if you want you and your demons to get fuckin' shredded.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 *Nod*
I want players vs players competitions
That'd be very nice ngl.
Hey uh i finished the game the first time and idk how to get the new tsukuyomi skills so i finished the game without the new moves and the only superboss i beat is sheeva. I guess i need to replay the game again to get to the other superbosses
If you are on canon of vengeance, talk to the researcher lady on Diet building. She's down the stairs, it's where you Offer Assistance to unlock dlc. You only unlock corresponding Tsukuyomi essences when progressing the story. The final one is when you enter Temple of Eternity, you can redeem Tsukuyomi Ultimus from her.
For the new Tsukiyomi skills, you need to go to the area where you first fought Nuwa in her demon form and talk to one of the scientists. There's a total of 3 essences.
Just a heads up: in 2:16 Demeter built, isn't Boon Boost EX better?
Yup. I just didn't have Shiva or Beelzebub's essences to use on her, so I settled with Boon Boost and forgot about it.
granted you have done godborne hard already
can i ask how high satan's and demifiend's stats are in that mode and also masakado's(regular and true masakado) as well?
Demi-Fiend's are all at 425, Masakado's around 500, True masakado's around 550-600, and Satan all at 566 except Vitality at 850.
I have to ask why Critical Zealot on the Nahobino? Assuming you are doing Ikuyumi wouldn’t it just do less damage since it’s a magic attack unless you have a Lahmu or a Sandalphon in your party.
Yeah, I was doing a team with Sandalphon at the time, and use Critical if needed. Now though, I always use him as support.
@kaiserkreuz2110 gotcha I asked since I use a slightly similar build but I have Lunation Flux for turn management and quick mp
@@mrgrottle2471 Yeah, all Nahobino builds are good, but for level 999 bosses and such, you almost require support builds for other demons to build insane damage.
Time for more farming...
Hey sorry if this is a noob question but I was wondering how you got all the defenses on demons such as all the drain and repel on your Beezlebub?
I check the skill list/recipe generator you have linked but it only has drain dark as a selectable option.
Hey! No problem. All the Drain and Repel skills are obtained from very high level demons (Drain/Repel Dark from Beelzebub/Vishnu which you got from chests in the Empyrean, and also Repel Light from Metatron which you get after beating him.) Most are quest-related (Fire, Ice, Force, Elec, Drain Light), some are ending-related (the Phys ones.)
Hope this helps!
@ thank you for responding and pointing me in the right direction. Still taking my time with my first play through so I have a bit to go but I’m sure I’ll be back to your videos and this comment when the time comes.
Just one more question for now, so that I don’t waste them, but are the quest related ones reusable or will I have to do another play through to obtain them. Don’t just want to through them on any demon and be selective if that’s the case.
@@13jvin You can re-obtain every essence you want as long as you summon the demon and level it up enough (I should've covered that in this video tbh so that's my bad.) After learning all its skills, you need to level it up until it gives you the essence. If you're short on Grimoires, you can save scum.
I want to know the name of every song used in this video
Reason Boss Battle and Final Boss After Transformation, both from SMT3 (Nocturne)
Is this required for the virtual battle trophy ? It s a lot of farm and i just want the platinum 😊
@@katakuricharlotte4179 Nah, you're good! You just need to clear Level 100 of Challenge mode for each boss rush. If you do it all on Godborn, it's even easier than normal since enemies are set to level 150.
Does the trophy require the Amatsukami battles and previous DLC demons?
@@highwizard6764 Just the 18 boss rushes I've uploaded (the ones you unlock through story and endings.)
Why only boon boost and not boost ex for Sakuya?
Boon Boost EX is rarified by only be obtainable through Shiva and Beelzebub's Essences, and I was too lazy to farm one, especially since BB is actually useless on her as she basically buffs at least once every turn.
@ facts. Makes sense thanks for breaking down
@@Pikachu-qr4yb You're welcome. I think I replaced it by Heal Pleroma (only affects HP heal, not MP) but an extra Repel/Drain also works.
i'm almost done with building the nahobino, i'm warming on the battle of chaos at level 999 just like your other video suggested. i'm currently using only him as a damage dealer, is it better to use two? like matama, the one you used in that video
@@darky1677 If you're doing the fights on Safety, focus on damage dealing, as the enemy damage output is rediculously low.
Demi-Fiend isn't that good since you can't up his stats more, so I suggest Masakado as a damage dealer, or Mastema.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 oh yeah i meant mastema lmao i didn't remember his name. the build you used on the video is different from this one tho, should i just copy this one?
@@darky1677 oh, I see. The builds in this video are my final ones, so I'd say go for this one for him.
Heavenly ikuyumi vs marakumo? Not sure which would be better
@@Bones_Ex Ikuyumi when the opponent is debuffed at least on two stats.
For the level 999 challenges, how necessary is it to max out the stats needed to 999? Like will I get one shotted if I only level up Vitality to like 500? Just wanted to know cause this sounds like a LOT of grinding LOL
@@zambiep5 Yeah, you'll get one shot easily. Even at 999, the final boss rushes are very painful. Lucifer does 600+ damage with his "Element" of God to my whole team with 999 Vitality.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Maaaaaan looks like it’s time to grind millions of macca. I mean it’s very easy with the dlc and all, but still very tedious. Thank god they only cost 25k
Great builds tho! Always wanted to build a Satan but his Megiddo Arc sucks major balls against most bosses lmaooo The amount of customization this game allows is great I love it
@@zambiep5 yeah, farming is still farming. Megido Ark does suck against a single target. And since there are rarely more than 4 enemies at the same time, it's just a trash ability compared to whatever else you can cook with him.
Thanks for the kind words! Yeah, the amount of customization for this game is pretty great.
@@kaiserkreuz2110Is Abyssal mask worth keeping on any demons at this level? I have it on most demons for the Demi fiend fight on my first run but once the luck stat is 999, is it just not necessary anymore?
@@zambiep5 Nah, the chances of you getting instakilled are so low that AM isn't even necessary anymore.
Maybe on level 999 bosses but even then, you want to use that skill slot for better stuff.
Okay, so masakado with both glees, are reliable with freikugel crit rate? Is freikugel a guaranteed crit rate with both glees and innate skill?
No, but the crit rate is very high: the goal is that you want to buff Masakado and have as many active effects (IE buffs) on him at all times. These things boost both his critical rate and his critical damage by a lot thanks to his innate skill, Scarlet Blade. Honestly you could forge the regular pleroma and crit rate skills and just go with the high pleroma and Murderous Glee depending on your preferences, and use the other 2 skill slots for other skills/resistances.
I would consider Critical Zealot mandatory for him in endgame builds however. the 50% damage boost from it on a critical hit is substantial due to how much damage it offers.
@@Magnet977 how about both glees, scarlet blade, and lucifer's innate skill? Would that make freikugel hit 100% crit?
@@Njin8492 Unfortunately no, as Lucifer's innate skill only effects basic attacks and not skills.
@@Magnet977 i see, thanks
Fighting a level 999 enemy with 760 Luck, has 63% crit rate when 4 buffs activated.(Assuming Masakado is level 150 with 999 Luck)
I just started my godborn playthrough and while im somewhat dissapointed with Lucifer, i can see myself making good use of satan who'll probably end up being my tank support demon should i decide to switch off my tanky murakumo build for nahobino
Still i wanna give lucifer another chance... tho i feel itll be mostly me using root of evil to remove charge and pierces off bosses
At least he's a special snowflake who can do what others can't. Admittedly, by the time you have him, he's only useful for Challenge runs...
Hey here with another question
Does Odin's passive stack with physical attacks, or only with Strength based attacks like Freikugel, element Dracostrike, etc? Thanks again for your guides
@@highwizard6764 any Str-based effect, so you should be good using Freikugel and Dracostrikes.
You're welcome! Thanks for liking the guides.
Since the newcomer healer heals mp, is Idun worse? Also the nahabino just dodging attacks with a skill and providing a strong counterattack after base smt 5 already bringing a "medium" strength based almighty skill for the nahabino as strong as freikugel that is way earlier and cheaper as well as murakumo as well as the demifiend essense shows me that izanagi no okami picaro wasn't a mistake and they had no reason to make satanael in p3r scuffed.
The issue with Sakuya is that with just the MP heal alone, she outclasses every other healer (except Demeter.) Idun is still good, but when you have Sakuya, she's objectively the "worse" choice.
I like that you can get OP in the game and still face challenges, especially since vanilla V doesn't give you nearly as many options to build your Nahobino (usually resorting to either Fig Slash, Murakumo or support, magic being "less than optimal".)
@kaiserkreuz2110 BTW what new support or passive skills from the nahabino do I need to know about and since recovery is based on the magic stat which can reach 999, how much healing and mp do you recover from a max magic sakuya?
@@daniellejackson6543 Healing is based off Magic, but the crux of the calculi is the percentage of HP/MP it heals. Sakuya has an innate skills that doubles healing if she's buffed. She usually heals 55-60 MP and 550-600 HP with that effect active (no Bowl of Hygieia or Heal Pleroma.)
I don't know which skills were in the original and which weren't. I think Revival Chant is a new one. A definite new set of support skills are from the Tsukuyomi essences though: Lunation Flux (MP heal + no Press Turn consumed), Luminescent Mirage (guaranteed evasion), Intercalation (+1 flashing Press Turn per successful evade), Elusive Eclipse (Pierce Phys counter around 300 base power when evading an enemy attack.) The dodge tank builds are pretty great.
@kaiserkreuz2110 revival chant is in the og game. Also is there a cap to dodge chance since I heard that ability determines dodge chance and due to the new game plus addition of buying balms and incense(should've been in the base game I would've loved that), what is the passive dodge chance with max agility and passive dodge moves and agility boosts? I want to know because the new skill seems to only allow you to dodge one attack.
@@daniellejackson6543 I'd say most I've ever dodge was 2-3 times in a single turn, which isn't a lot.
how did you get resist/reflect/etc to all the affinities?? this is amazing stuff!
@@irtjames14 some demons have these as their last skill, so you can get these from their essences.
@@kaiserkreuz2110got it, a complete noob here, so thank you! Do you have a few examples of such demons? Also what is the skill called? And does that demon need to be max level to get the skill from the essence?
@@irtjames14 The names of the skills are "Repel/Drain [Element]", you need the Art of Essences miracles to get them. You can check the link in the description to see which demon has what you want, then you fuse it and level it up one by one until you get your Essence.
@@kaiserkreuz2110i may be confused here, but your main character doesnt have any repel/drain skill but has resist for all affinities. Not sure how this works..
@@irtjames14 He can extract affinities from essences, unlike other demons. I used the Demi-Fiend superboss's essence for nullifying all elements and ailments, but none repel or drain.
Man i thought Xenoblade 2 was hard... This franchise is insanity 😭
Oh yeah, the SMT franchise isn't known to be beginner-friendly even for RPG fans. That's what makes them awesome as well: once you get in the groove, you can do some really funky stuff.
Is it possible to do lv999 fights without grinding to Max stats?
I’m curious if doing lv100 virtual trainer bosses at lv99 (pre-godborn) is comparable to superbosses like Shiva and Demi-fiend.
At least to the 800s and 999 vit for the last couple bosses (like Lucifer.)
No, they should still be easier than superbosses at level 100 because they retain their usual patterns. Plus, True Lucifer is literally level 99, so level 100 hardly matters.
Maybe a lv200 Lucifer pre-godborn fought at lv99 is harder than lv99 superbosses. If it’s even possible without farming stats.
@@galvusgalvoid1510 Yeah, should be if you're lucky and aware of the strats. i'd say he' be on par with level 99 Satan, if not slightly stronger.
Lv999 lucifer is harder than lv150 satan ? I know he has much higher stats but is the strategy itself come complex?
@@galvusgalvoid1510 yes, he's much harder. 999 Magic and Agility, 3 press turns and very spammy tendencies.
If you wanna share, how many hours do you have on this game?
@@prometheus4026 if we count the occasional resets and unsaved performances, I'd say 150 hours. My save says 129.
Whats the best affibity essence for nahobino? Ore demifiend I know bosses don't like null/repel phys
Best essence for Naho is Demi-Fiend for complete ailment Null, but if you want natural Repel/Drain Phys, you can check Nuwa (Serpentine) and Abdiel (Fallen)'s
@@kaiserkreuz2110 what about essence pre demifiend. I don't wanna go null/repel/ drain phys because I know bosses go haywire with almighty
@@Brickman430 Not always. Masakado doesn't, Shiva does it anyway for Tandava, I heard Satan does spam megido Ark though, so at least for him I'd advise not to.
It depends on what you want, really. I suggest Alilat who's got the second best ailment resistances (3 null, 3 resists) and no weakness, but only Light and Dark resist.
Otherwise, the best affinity essences are sadly superboss demons' like Lucifer (Devil) with 2 null and one Repel iirc, and 4 ailment null, or Satan (no ailment Null but 3 Drain and resist Phys.)
Metatrons is solid
Any tips for grinding out Essences? Is there an ideal way?
Yup. You can fuse the demon you want the essence from, then level them up to the max with grimoires. Assuming you unlocked Moral Transcendence (level cap to 150), you're guaranteed to be given the demon's essence at some point.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 It's been 4 weeks since this so you probably know, but if you do it on a full moon you should get the essence each time (Pretty sure it requires them to learn all the skills that they come with). I did it with Fallen Abdiel for repel phys, though it requires macca in certain cases (I used the dlc) since it gets expensive.
@@Nothing-fc2so yeah, New or Full moons are propicious for most things.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 Might be odd to ask since it's not entirely related to the video, but I've been wondering about a Paraselene blur build.
The build is like this:
1. Paraselene
2. Luminescent mirage
3. Fierce roar
4. Intercalation
5. Light pleroma
6. High light pleroma
7. Evergreen dance
8. Elusive eclipse
My question was mostly around the evergreen dance skill. I thought of running impaler Animus, but then had the idea to use dance to use a impalers glory and I'm not sure which is more preferred. Sorry if I'm bothering with this. Have a good day!
Edit: Not sure if energy drain can fit in here anywhere/if it's necessary.
@@Nothing-fc2so I don't think you wanna lose turns with Evergreen Dance. I'd rather use more Paraselene with High Restore to keep getting MP refills instead, then go for Omnipotent Succession on Magatsuhi turns. As for adding a Pierce effect, either replace a less useful skill by Impaler's Animus, or wait for Glory turns, but while it seems like it, Evergreen isn't useful at all. I tried to make it useful for my low level runs, but it was never working.
Who do you think is a better hitter using the strategize + adversity cheese
Gogmagog or Arioch? I'm not sure how their respective passive's multipliers work tho.
Edit: I'm thinking Arioch because you can leave some demons on your stock dead, whereas Gogmagog's need weaknesses, which from my perspective isn't practical because you need active party members to null and drain attacks (and not with my young man equipped with DF essence). I might be answering my own question but I wanna know what you think
@@highwizard6764 I think the same, but Arioch caps at 120% while Gogmagog can cap at more, so it's a tough choice.
Thank you again for taking time to answer.
PS: I saw your explanation regarding mitama killers. I tried putting high/restores instead of nulls on Matador. So far it's working fine, not having to worry about running out of MP. Basically its a free yabu shot.
@@highwizard6764 Yeah, the only necessities for Crippling Blow users are Yabusame Shot (+9 cept for Mot who has no Phys potential) and Safeguard. The rest is up to you, really, I like builds with leeway.
Thanks! And that's normal. I try to help as the game's still young.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 would like to add that using ippon datara as navigator also helps with mitama farming
just started godborn and mitama farming is already fun lol
@@highwizard6764 yeah, it can be annoying without the DLC. Best of luck!
What essence did you use on the young man
Demi-Fiend's Essence.
Thanks a lot man, really appreciate🎉❤
Also, for Zeus you go something like that?
Keraunos
Both Glees
Normal and High Elec Pleroma
Critical Zealot
Repel/Drain Force
Enduring Soul
I was running a Odin setup as well in the backgroud for emergencies
Gungnir
Both Glees
Normal and High Pleroma
Critical Zealot
Drain/Repel Force
Enduring Soul
Same thing, but phys instead basically, in the end i switch normal pleromas by repel phys for Demi-Fiend as well overall survivability
Great video as always man, wish best luck for you🎉❤
@@gabrielferraz1876 Yes. I completely missed Zeus lol, but you're on point with the build.
Phys for Odin is great too.
Thank you very much!
@@kaiserkreuz2110 I see that you mention Zaou-Gongen as well, from what i see on you another video has at least:
Hell Thrust
Akashic Arts
Repel Phys
By the damage 1500ish in Lucifer and 3k crit on Morning Star
Hell Thrust
Akashic Arts
Repel Phys
Phys Pleroma
High Phys Pleroma
Critical Zealot
maybe something like that? he didn't proc Endure or Enduring Soul, but i make him like that in the end
Hell Thrust
Akashic Arts
Repel Phys
Drain Elec
Phys Pleroma
High Phys Pleroma
Critical Zealot
Enduring Soul
Lucifer loves spam Tentarafoo and Evil Gleam when Masakado is up and Thunder of God when is Zaou-Gongen, that's why i put Drain Elec as well
His chance of crit is not the best with this setup, for me personally, i crit 1/6 of times, and reducing 5 times the damage to crit one time is rough
@@gabrielferraz1876 You're spot-on. yeah, Zaou is not optimal but at least I don't have to use Amrita Showers all the time lol
@@kaiserkreuz2110 I only use Zaou in True Lucifer, and Akashic Arts don't naturally pierce, so i make some modifications after the battles in levels 500 and 600:
Hell Thrust
Phys Pleroma
High Phys Pleroma
Murderous Glee
Critical Zealot
Enduring Soul
Drain Elec
Repel Phys
Pierce through, have decent damage, can be increase by Sankosho (his innate skill) with Nahobino attacking as well, both Pleromas to increase damage, a better crit rate thanks to Murderous Glee, critical zealot is better in this case, because i'm crit 1/3~4 times (a little better), and survivability with Drain Elec, Repel Phys and Enduring Soul, with did not proc a single time, but is good to have
Edit: And thanks for responding me, i really like conversations about builds in games and stuff, but none of my friends really plays much games like this, really appreciate, and if i say something wrong, i'm Brazilian and all my english is from games, music, movies and things like this, but i'm getting better 😂
@@gabrielferraz1876 Yeah that's a very good build. Definitely useful for Lucifer 3, instead of wasting turns healing Tentafaroos and Evil Gleams on Masakado.
No problem. i love discussing stuff like this too. Especially since RPG are becoming nicher thanks to "hurr durr need muh akshun gayms" (I'm trolling here, I love high octane games as well.)
Your English is quite good. I'm French, so English is not my first language either, so I definitely won't judge (and got judged a lot for it in the past, and it's definitely not something I want anyone to go through, because it's just mean and stupid to do.)
how would you rate the game out of 10 based on enjoyment?
@@UsernameWinvalid 10 on enjoyment alone. In a more critical way of thinking, 8-9/10. It has flaws, mainly the story and characters, but gameplay is what I'd expect from SMT since Nocturne and then some. The demons look fantastic, the environments are gorgeous (not talking about graphic fidelity, just the design), the OST straight up slaps, etc...
I'd say the game being more accessible leads to less funny bullshit moments, but that's not that big of a deal, compared to the slop we've been given by AAA studios lately...
So yeah, overall the two games I bought this year, being this one and Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth, both had disappointing stories and character arcs, but are very good games if we except that (and I prefer that than the exact opposite like FFXVI, I felt wronged playing that game...)
Sorry for the wall of text, sometimes I just keep writing.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 no need to apologize for the wall of text this is the type of response I was looking for- really appreciate your thoughts on this :)
@@UsernameWinvalid Thanks! Yeah, I'm not saying this is acquired tastes or anything, but when I get asked to rate/criticize a game, I at least bring arguments, because even I wouldn't find my own claims to be legitimate if I don't.
Part of me wants to continue playing this game for speedruns and stuff, but another part of needs to keep my professionalism and get back to work on my passion projects lol. If a game does that to me, it's undoubtedly S-tier. (Also preventing me from playing the games on my backlog lol.)
We need more games like this. Good RPG are not dead... just hidden behind mountains of slop, unfortunately...
I've been using your Nahobino build to play CoC (I don't have Masakado yet) It's been a lot of fun, I'm not much of a Try Hard type and I wanted a consistent way to test new skills since Murakumo all the way can be boring, your build was the best I've found so far.
I intend to get all the achievements in the game since I've been doing this with all the Atlus games recently, but I still don't understand how to get Lucifer and Satan to complete the compendium, People teach several different ways and none of them seem to make sense as they always contradict each other in some way.
Do I need to start Godborn? Have the 999 miracle? Finish the game on Godborn? Do the True Neutral Ending in Godborn? Do I even need to be in Godborn? I'm going crazy with so much inconsistency and misinformation.
Thanks for the kind words! This was the most comfortable I could go with after countless challenges.
To answer your question, I'll tell you my own experience:
I first did CoC True Neutral Ending, then went CoV and beat Satan, unlocked the Moral Transcendance Miracle, then beat Lucifer as an Extremely powerful being (so, True Neutral Lucifer), then I had both unlocked as fusions.
because I missed Armaiti though, I had to redo CoV to get Satan. Lucifer is just Metatron x Beelzebub.
TL;DR: True Ending in Godborn is bullshit. For the platinum, you can just finish a regular playthrough and never touch this mode again (although it's much more fun than Reborn.)
Hope this helps!
@@kaiserkreuz2110 It actually helped a lot, I was already planning to do the true neutral ending anyway, I played Vengeance before to get the new experience since I played the original years ago, I defeated Lucifer 99 in Vengeance choosing the option without knowing the difference lol but it was a lot more fun, I haven't beaten Satan yet but I definitely tried it with your build maybe focusing on Blur with Light pleromas to do more damage since I still don't have maxed out stats (currently at 230 strength)
Thank you very much.
@@johnny8363 Yeah, the main difference is that I didn't play the og game (I'm a Nontendo guy, *ba dum tss*) so I started with CoC, getting 90% of the stuff done.
Yeah, good luck on Satan. I suggest you go full multi-target damage, ideally with Piercing attacks. Someone in another video's comments used my suggestion to go Magic with Moonlight Frost, as it's a multi target attack that Pierces, and have other like Amon's Megido Flame, Zeus' Keraunos on Satan etc... not to let him eat demons.
Paraselene Blur is good to use, though, if you make him eat Kaiwan and can clobber him with more Light/Phys/Almighty attacks with your other demons. Keep Demeter or a Mediarahan healer, and a demon for Donum Gladi/Magici. Satan is doable without cheese on Hard. I'll actually try to make a regular NG run of him when I get time, to see how to get him down without having to resort to 40-min fights or OTK cheese (although i'd keep an emergency Muu Shuwuu for his Trisagion.)
@@kaiserkreuz2110 I never thought about doing it with multi target attacks but it seems good since it won't gain resistances/immunities, any ideas on a build for Cleopatra? I've been using it as my main debuffer, I thought about changing to Beelzebub but she's fine for now
@@johnny8363 Beelzebub might not be a good pick anyway, since apparently, if you debuff his summons twice, he spams Megido Ark in return.
Cleopatra hmm... She can be a healer and debuffer, then maybe add a Hamabarion for single target. The rest is usual durability checks.
What other demons are you using?
Would you say masakado is better than mastema for satan, due to the ailment counter?
Masakado is the best damage dealer bar none. Mastema's shtick is that he can generate Press Turns, but Satan doesn't use Trisagion that often anwyay.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 what about arioch, with the avenger passive and figment slash skill?
@@raoulLupin I think I mentioned he's a possibility as well, if you like having your whole stock dead.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 I see. I’m building for Satan right now, and was considering between arioch and madskado, but I’m probably using arioch just for minimized grinding
@@raoulLupin Sounds solid. Good luck!
How can we max demon stats?
Hey just a suggestion ba'al is my favorite demon but i don't know what moveset i should give up do you have any suggestions?
@@YukkertonYuki Ba'al is good. He could be a good support, or a damager. Both are tempting. Try with what you need in your team, and check the vid for both build types.
It all depends on his Skill Potential.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 So kind off like satans build in a way (i obviously stole ur goated mastema build and demeter) so i'd say my best shot might be support
@@YukkertonYuki Thanks! Actually, just checked and Ba'al would be a bad support, as he has no positive potential for support (heal is -3), but he's a good elemental wild card, so you can play it Fire, Force, Elec or Light.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 so slap a fire and light for example on there with a bunch of good traits?
@@YukkertonYuki Yup. You can use Trisagion and Ma/Hamabarion for example, although you should focus on one element, and I suggest one with a Pierce move to add to your regular (something like Force +9: Killing Wind +9, Mazanbarion +9, (normal and High) Force Pleroma, Enduring Soul) and if you wanna go both Str and Mag, Wind Dracostrike +9 and Critical Zealot (since str-based attacks can crit)
Which Demon can I get Boon Boost EX from
Shiva, beelzebub
@@JoJoEleonora I have both but for some reason the boon boost ex is gray out so I can’t transfer the skill to other demon, do u know why?
You need the Miracle that allows you to extract all skills of a single essence. If you haven't done so, keep striking Abscesses (or look to a guide on which one gives the miracle you want, since they're all fixed.)
@@kaiserkreuz2110 righttt It has to be the miracle, why I’ve never thought of that. Thanks 🙏
@@YuukiRito92 no problem. Glad I could help!
How do you get your stats so high???
Mitama farm, then buy balms and incenses from gustave
how do you get reflect physical tho as a skill
do I have to beat CoC to get abdiel and then get the skill?
@@povilasl5383 Yes.
Beelzebub ain’t beating the racist allegation with that passive 💀
LMAO
well its more sexist considering all the demons in those races are women
No idun 😢
Idun has been nerfed, sadly, but she and Tao are solid healers for sure.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 I wouldn’t say nerfed they’re more just really outclassed to the point of being obsolete because of Sakuya
@@rift3487 true, but I heard her heal is less potent than before.
@@kaiserkreuz2110 oh yeah I forgot golden apple went from being stronger than mediarama to being weaker than it
The only thing that ruins it for me is the music choice, like, so dramatic and hype for a simple showcase 😭
Best demons to pair with Agrat the damage dealer?
A: Her girls
B: Metatron + Sandalphon + 1 girl (Eisheth probably)
Agrat + Eisheth + Sandalphon should make a good team.
I feel as though 999 stats is cheating.
I mean, Demi Fiend is in 400 range. . . .
999 just ruins the point of Godborn mode.
There are level 999 boss challenges you can do, and maxing stats out isn't a luxury for these (Lucifer can still one shot my demons with ease.)
Plus, the point of Godborn is to actually be able to build your characters better, since you are able to buy Balms and Incenses from Gustave in droves.
I will never agree with the "cheating" part. The game offers this option to you, it's not like I'm constantly using cheese strats to kill bosses.
I will agree, however, on the Demi-Fiend in need to be buffed more. Satan could also benefit from more, because 566 in every stat, even with 850 Vitality, isn't really a big challenge anymore.
Young Man