Beethoven... and many of the classic masters all show up in film scores. Beethoven's 6th Symphony is an important piece of "program music" but not sure it is the first, I believe Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" (with all of it's colorful depictions of nature) and much farther back to Maris Maris with his Viola de Gamba work depicting a "gallstone operation" could be two earlier examples of "program music". John Williams is such a treasure to all music!
One year later, Williams would come to conduct the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra with Sarah playing the Horn... (The ARD Mediathek has a recording on streaming for free in Germany.)
Sara I really like your interviews and in this case with the great master Williams. It is a privilege to see this. very interesting your analysis of the use of woodwind instruments associated with "the good" and the use of metals in "the dark side of force", it is very interesting I had noticed the use that Williams gives to French horns and I think that not all horn players want to interpret those scores over and over again. Congratulations and thanks
1:36 Was Beethoven's 6th symphony the first programme music? I don't think so. Others have mentioned Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" concertos. The movement you use as your example (the "storm" movement) wasn't even the first "storm" piece.
Despite the different opinions on when programmatic music was introduce 1st. Love the video and inteeview with one of the greats! Alpine symphony is also one of my favourites. John Williams loves the French horn...it is the rue hero of the orchestra! ❤️📯📯
It's a discussion that we can't have, but before Williams there was Mancini, who scored a few films himself. Like 100 or so. Tracing his roots and inspirations would have been an interesting discussion.
Every Beethoven's symphony is a revoultion within itself. The 6th is about a peasants' life (romanticized, of course), contrary to the music dedicated to the persons of the highest hierarchy.
What are they teaching in American conservatoires if she thinks that Beethoven invented programmatic music? Has she never heard of Lully, Rameau, or even Haydn amongst countless others that used orchestration, harmony, and melodies to describe stories before the Master from Bonn?
Beethoven’s final movement of his 6th symphony + Shostakovich’s final movement of his 9th symphony (hope I got that right) = Lucas’ Star Wars Imperial March.
The symphonies of Beethoven are NOT programmatic music. They may have some strong programmatic elements but they are still pure or absolute music through and through. Very different from someone like, say, Berlioz.
I disagree with part of this discussion. At 3:25 it is said that using woodwind to portray forces of good, and brass and percussion portraying evil, powerful forces came from Beethoven, but really that has been the standard for centuries, and while Beethoven was certainly the first to truly embody the spirit of storytelling in music, I don't believe that we can say something as general as that is a Beethoven formula. Using brass and percussion to portray power is just standard, because they are such dominating, aggressive sections in an orchestra, and it is easy for those instruments to dynamically overpower the rest of the orchestra. Brass also has a very large, wide, and bodily sound and timbre, which lends itself to the image of something overbearing and powerful. Woodwind as compared to this is much softer, sweeter and more precise as a sound, which lends itself to more lush melodies, such as the powers of peace. This is not something that only Beethoven noticed. Mozart used this, Haydn, even Bach, in the baroque period, was very observant with instrumentation. One could argue that using brass for dominance, and woodwind for sweetness came from any of the composers before our time: Brahms, Schumann, Bach, Beethoven, Haydn included. Beethoven was certainly a pioneer of many things musically and spiritually however, and for that I personally connect with his music more than anyone elses. Beethoven speaks to me like no other.
There are odd misstatements in this well-meaning presentation. "Fantasia" from 1941 2:41 was definitely not "one of the very early sound films." Sound films had been officially launched in 1927. Academy Awards for Best Scoring had been given out beginning in 1935. "(T)he Vienna Musikverein where Beethoven himself was an honorary member" 7:42 needs clarification. He was made an honorary member of the Gesellschaft der Musikfreunde in 1826, the year before he died. But, the Musikverein - the home of the Vienna Philharmonic - did not exist until 1870. 🧐
feelings aren't images - Vivaldi wrote the programmatic Four Seasons long before Beethoven. .So much misinformation in this video. The victory (last) movement of the Fifth Symphony is full on brass - not sinister at all.
Yes Jaws ostinato of two notes is hardly related to Beethoven's 7th symphony, this part has no fear and tension related to it. More like the beginning of Dvorák new world symphony with similar effect suspense and rise of tension with the two note pastern accelerating. Though here also it's different and the motif is used to rapidly increase tension and heat up the symphony with a bang while in the movie it creates uncertainty and fear of the lurking and hidden shark.
Several thoughts here: 1.- If there were no Beethoven, then there would have been no Lord of the Dance featuring Michael Flatley. That show, in my estimation, quotes at least two different Beethoven Symphonies! 2.- This is why unborn babies 👶 need to be permitted to be born: One never knows who the next great 😊 musician 👩🎤 or the next great 😊 composer 🎼 would be! 3.- Unrelated to the first two points, but important enough to mention that if one goes to Tanglewood, then they should be able to go to the nearby National Shrine of the Divine Mercy in Stockbridge, Massachusetts. Pray for the souls of all who have gone before us. Would it be nice 👍 for Sarah Willis to interview Father Chris Alar, MIC who is stationed at the shrine! 4.- And while we are at it, make a visit to Saratoga Springs, New York, about 60 Miles Northwest of Tanglewood and the summer home of the Philadelphia Orchestra!
Love when he lights up and recognizes where Sarah is going with that minor second ostinato!
Beethoven-Wagner-Strauss-Korngold-Williams a direct lineage
+ Mahler?
Holst says hello.
@@radic888 Holst left the chat
Liszt?, he was the father of Wagner after all orchestration wise
@Tomas Garza YES, Goldsmith completely fills the list !
Beethoven... and many of the classic masters all show up in film scores. Beethoven's 6th Symphony is an important piece of "program music" but not sure it is the first, I believe Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" (with all of it's colorful depictions of nature) and much farther back to Maris Maris with his Viola de Gamba work depicting a "gallstone operation" could be two earlier examples of "program music". John Williams is such a treasure to all music!
I love Marin Marais!
you would find a lot of programmatic music in renaissance music
@@JafuetTheSame Indeed! Baude Cordier
Absurd to make a statement that Beethoven was the first to write program music.
Renaissance music is filled with tone painting.
Program music was in the Baroque era ex. Vivaldi four seasons...spring, summer, fall, winter....
One year later, Williams would come to conduct the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra with Sarah playing the Horn... (The ARD Mediathek has a recording on streaming for free in Germany.)
Sara I really like your interviews and in this case with the great master Williams. It is a privilege to see this. very interesting your analysis of the use of woodwind instruments associated with "the good" and the use of metals in "the dark side of force", it is very interesting
I had noticed the use that Williams gives to French horns and I think that not all horn players want to interpret those scores over and over again. Congratulations and thanks
Damn poor Holst he really wrote the Star Wars soundtrack before the film existed then didn’t even get brought up
1:36 Was Beethoven's 6th symphony the first programme music? I don't think so. Others have mentioned Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" concertos. The movement you use as your example (the "storm" movement) wasn't even the first "storm" piece.
El genius y su legado por siempre.
Despite the different opinions on when programmatic music was introduce 1st. Love the video and inteeview with one of the greats! Alpine symphony is also one of my favourites. John Williams loves the French horn...it is the rue hero of the orchestra! ❤️📯📯
It's a discussion that we can't have, but before Williams there was Mancini, who scored a few films himself. Like 100 or so. Tracing his roots and inspirations would have been an interesting discussion.
i like that rainbow answer, beethoven's music certainly ran the full spectrum of emotions
Nunca jamás a tan grande ,grande músico.
wow what a fantastic video THANK YOU! Sarah is a great ambassador of music today. Just love you.
Every Beethoven's symphony is a revoultion within itself. The 6th is about a peasants' life (romanticized, of course), contrary to the music dedicated to the persons of the highest hierarchy.
Que seria da música sem BEETHOVEN? ?????💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
What are they teaching in American conservatoires if she thinks that Beethoven invented programmatic music? Has she never heard of Lully, Rameau, or even Haydn amongst countless others that used orchestration, harmony, and melodies to describe stories before the Master from Bonn?
Programme music was already there at least since Vivaldi wrote his four seasons.
Beethoven’s final movement of his 6th symphony + Shostakovich’s final movement of his 9th symphony (hope I got that right) = Lucas’ Star Wars Imperial March.
The symphonies of Beethoven are NOT programmatic music.
They may have some strong programmatic elements but they are still pure or absolute music through and through. Very different from someone like, say, Berlioz.
6th symphony is programmatic music.. sorry
ummm...nobody said they are. just the 6th and although he was later somewhat uncomfortable about it, he gave it program
Some are absolute music, some are programmic music. That's why Beethoven inspired artists in both paths.
Four Seasons by Vivaldi was also very programmatic
Die Horn-Königin schon wieder!!! Fehlt nur noch ihr Beitrag zur Astro-Physik. Die dabei = Stopptaste
0:53 The score shown doesn't match the audio! (The score is from the recap and the audio's from the exposition.)
Vivaldi have done this 100 years before
Not German, doesn't count :)))
@@DanSlotea then Beethoven doesnt count, because he's not Italian.
I bet Beethoven felt the vibration but knew ffrom skills
I disagree with part of this discussion. At 3:25 it is said that using woodwind to portray forces of good, and brass and percussion portraying evil, powerful forces came from Beethoven, but really that has been the standard for centuries, and while Beethoven was certainly the first to truly embody the spirit of storytelling in music, I don't believe that we can say something as general as that is a Beethoven formula. Using brass and percussion to portray power is just standard, because they are such dominating, aggressive sections in an orchestra, and it is easy for those instruments to dynamically overpower the rest of the orchestra. Brass also has a very large, wide, and bodily sound and timbre, which lends itself to the image of something overbearing and powerful. Woodwind as compared to this is much softer, sweeter and more precise as a sound, which lends itself to more lush melodies, such as the powers of peace. This is not something that only Beethoven noticed. Mozart used this, Haydn, even Bach, in the baroque period, was very observant with instrumentation. One could argue that using brass for dominance, and woodwind for sweetness came from any of the composers before our time: Brahms, Schumann, Bach, Beethoven, Haydn included. Beethoven was certainly a pioneer of many things musically and spiritually however, and for that I personally connect with his music more than anyone elses. Beethoven speaks to me like no other.
Vivaldi wrote programmatic music before Beethoven … four seasons
Wasn't German, doesn't count :)))
@@DanSlotea why? It does count. Music is music. Italy, Germany, France, Spain, Egypt or China. Or anywhere else
@@ignacioclerici5341 beacause it's a German television interview :)))) I was sarcastic.
Jaja, Mister Williams erwischt zur Inspiration des Jaws-Theme🤔😅
There are odd misstatements in this well-meaning presentation. "Fantasia" from 1941 2:41 was definitely not "one of the very early sound films." Sound films had been officially launched in 1927. Academy Awards for Best Scoring had been given out beginning in 1935. "(T)he Vienna Musikverein where Beethoven himself was an honorary member" 7:42 needs clarification. He was made an honorary member of the Gesellschaft der Musikfreunde in 1826, the year before he died. But, the Musikverein - the home of the Vienna Philharmonic - did not exist until 1870. 🧐
Jerry Goldsmith should be there too
Absolutely agree, always pushing the envelope
Gustav Holst and Sergei Prokofiev should get credit for their contribution to the Star Wars saga
and Stravinsky.
Beethoven 6 - Beauty and the beast "belle"
Actually.. why she didnt say about Dvorak 9th symphony 4th movement. Its is much more close to jaws than that Beethoven thing lol :D
this video was a lot about putting words into john williams' mouth...but nice to see him anyway
feelings aren't images - Vivaldi wrote the programmatic Four Seasons long before Beethoven. .So much misinformation in this video. The victory (last) movement of the Fifth Symphony is full on brass - not sinister at all.
Yes Jaws ostinato of two notes is hardly related to Beethoven's 7th symphony, this part has no fear and tension related to it. More like the beginning of Dvorák new world symphony with similar effect suspense and rise of tension with the two note pastern accelerating. Though here also it's different and the motif is used to rapidly increase tension and heat up the symphony with a bang while in the movie it creates uncertainty and fear of the lurking and hidden shark.
Hoy estimada UA-cam ni ahí ando para Bethoveniar digamos que tengo ojeriza con lo global.
Ludwig my friend
supeeeer :)
Several thoughts here:
1.- If there were no Beethoven, then there would have been no Lord of the Dance featuring Michael Flatley. That show, in my estimation, quotes at least two different Beethoven Symphonies!
2.- This is why unborn babies 👶 need to be permitted to be born: One never knows who the next great 😊 musician 👩🎤 or the next great 😊 composer 🎼 would be!
3.- Unrelated to the first two points, but important enough to mention that if one goes to Tanglewood, then they should be able to go to the nearby National Shrine of the Divine Mercy in Stockbridge, Massachusetts. Pray for the souls of all who have gone before us. Would it be nice 👍 for Sarah Willis to interview Father Chris Alar, MIC who is stationed at the shrine!
4.- And while we are at it, make a visit to Saratoga Springs, New York, about 60 Miles Northwest of Tanglewood and the summer home of the Philadelphia Orchestra!
When Jesus returns in the 2nd coming he will return with a resurrected Beethoven and John William's and set the the most masterful score.
I see a shark.
Nope. It’s a double bass 🐠
What about Vivaldi writing the Four Seasons one century before? This video is a joke.
I think you're mistaking Beethoven with Wagner
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Wagner has more direct influence on film music than Beethoven
But Beethoven was a MASSIVE influence on Wagner so it's a chain.
The *Star Wars Trilogy 1977-1983* Anything else is just 3rd rate.