This is such a comedic moment but it encapsulates the fundamental difference between what people tend to think these protagonists are vs what the writer intends them to be. Oda gave us this reminder in a beautifully written exchange.
Luffy is complex like goku...hes not a boy scout..makes him more interesting...hes flawed.......he's got his own thoughts feelings..his actions prove who he is...words are talk only and cheap...up to this point hes been a hero to his crew...and us...he's just saying things...oda does not want people to see luffy as a role model
Luffy DOES understand the concept of hero, with more nuance that people give him credit for. A hero is someone who selflessly gives up things of their own for others. Their life, their time, their meat... They give it up so others are happy. They make the right choices at the right time so the consequences are fair and everything works out ok. Luffy does not do that. he admires that, but... that's too much, isn't it? Give up his meat so others are happy without him? Give his life up just so others don't have to die? He wants to eat! He wants to live! People die. people are assholes. It happens. A hero does not accept that - Luffy does. It sucks but he isn't the guy to change that. Luffy doesn't want to think about consequences - he wants to do what his heart tells him to. He wants to do what will make HIM happiest. When his friend was shot by a celestial dragon a Hero would want to find the best way to avoid consequences. Avoid his friend dying. Avoid angering the celestial dragons against the fishmen further. Avoid upsetting the Marines. Try to keep peaceful relations between everyone, until they can calmly handle the situation well enough to avoid bloodshed. Not Luffy. What would make Luffy the happiest right then and there would be to punch that smug piece of shit celestial's face, even if that means angering them. Even if that causes more bloodshed to the fishmen. Even if the Marines get roped into everything and make things messy. Vivi was a hero, trying to take everything happening to her country on her own two shoulders, putting her life on the line to try and stop ANYONE from dying. Luffys response? People die. You want to save everyone, thus letting Crocodile get away with it? Like a superhero? Fuck that. I want to punch his stupid face in for being an asshole. Jimbei wants Luffy to wait until the perfect moment to make his move so it dosn't look like humans oppressing fishmen again, so that Fishmen can start to trust humans again. Wait? Luffy dosn't want to wait. Fuck the consequences, Hody is an asshole. Fishmen will hate humans more? Who gives a shit about what will happen as long as you're doing what your heart tells you to do. Hes a PIRATE - he is a man whose heart is free to do what it wants. Not a HERO.
@@supoa9489 I mean I'm willing to call someone a hero if they risk themselves for others sake. Luffy can be considered a hero just not a hero like Superman or Captain America. He's more like Goku. When people are suffering he won't ignore it but not every choice he makes has everyone else's need and wants in mind.
I bet Luffy has also unknowingly associated the word of Hero with Garp. While he loves his grandfather, he made sacrifices aplenty--and once his own family was put on display for execution Garp allowed it begrudgingly. Sacrificing family and love for Marine stability. Luffy saw what a hero does, what they give up for to keep the title--Luffy will never let another loved one die like that. Ace would be proud.
But Garp had no choice. Also, the World Government ignored the fact that he teamed up with Roger's and told everyone that he was the only person to defeat Rocks. So I'm pretty sure Garp doesn't like that title.
@@tootzy-the-roll he did have a choice. Garp chose the greater good over his surrogate grandson. Luffy would have died to if not for his knack for gathering allies. Garp could have said fuck it all right then and there and become a pirate, but as a main pillar to the world government those who looked up to him and trusted him would have defected too. Effectively crippling the navy and world government, and inviting chaos in war. He had a voice and he chose to remain a hero.
@@brandonrodriguez4761 wrong sir lol. He let Luffy punch him to save Ace. Sengoku noticed that. Garp serves his own wishes which is why he decided to stay Vice Admiral.
@@bpr13632 , Sengoku is just Diet Garp in the Post-Timeskip Era, so yes Luffy, Ace, and Zoro knows what heroes are more than people like Jinbe at the beginning of Fishman Island does.
I don’t think garp will do the same mistake like what he did to ace if luffy or dragon gonna be executed. He has nor pity for villain but family is whole different story means garp put family other jobs. He just don’t know what to do since it was his first time to be in those kind of situation, so he choose not to do anything and put hopes that luffy can save ace. If garp chose his job over family, than navy can win easily with garp involved to fight, luffy can’t even freeing ace if garp wasn’t let luffy punch him. Even without 3 admirals garp can duel a sick whitebeard with high possibility to win.
This scene so perfectly encapsulated Luffy. He isn't a hero, he's a pirate who is selfish... it just so happens what he covets is food, his friends, and good people - all things linked to being as free as possible, but coincidentally he seems heroic for protecting.
However, he has ruined several lives by some accounts. Luffy and crew are what I'd consider the epitome of Chaotic Good. They do good and are willing to help others. But ultimately they are in it for themselves.
I love how Jinbei didn't even question Luffy's definition of a Hero but rather just went ahead and bought him with meat. Seems like Jinbei immediately realized what kind of person Luffy is.
Luffy’s hero comment is less about the meat but rather the intentions. To him a hero is someone that’s willing to do sacrifices even they have to lose loved ones (for example, Garp being forced to give up Ace to be executed) But a pirate doesn’t make those compromises, Luffy would care any less if the fish men think of him, he just want to punch the guy that hurt one of his friends. Basically saying, Luffy has a good moral compass but he’s a selfish person at heart. By offering meat as an incentive, in his eyes he isn’t actually being a hero but rather a pirate taking on a bounty to get treasure.
And he holds to that. All his heroic moments werent done out of sacrifice, it was to help his nakama and friends. He didnt risk his life to save robin, fighting against the most lethal man he had ever met, because it was unjust what was happening to her, he did all that because she is his crew mate! He didnt break into and out of impel down in an effort to save ace because thats what a hero does, he did it because ace was his brother! He didnt defeat crocodile because he was some hero, he did it because his friend needed his help. It was helping HIS crew, HIS friends. He is selfish, not selfless. Though its a strange selfishness.
@@chrishubbard64 Remember the Rabbit things that attacked his crew and caused an avalanche? He still pulled one out from under the snow when it was unable to.
@@anexplosion5436 It's not like he wasn't brought up with morals and ideals. He has learnt from Naguri the meaning of respect towards his opponents and from Shanks that he shouldn't hesitate to save those he cares about, whatever the price.
@@chrishubbard64 i think you're actually wrong but then again right. in dressrosa, his purpose was to save all those ppl living there, and that is pretty much a heroic intention. but yes, most of his good deeds are because he cares for his nakama etc
Luffy is such a breath of fresh air as he isn't concerened about being a hero and all that jazz. He just wants to be free to do what he wants and could care less about how people view him. I really think other shounen main characters need to stop worrying about being a hero and all the praise and worship that comes with it.
No. We need real heroes from time to time. Not like American comics that have abandoned the idea of hero and deconstructed their characters to the point that they aren't anything close to heroes. The StrawHats are could easily screw over other people with their actions. It just so happens that they, so far, have been beneficial to the people they've encountered.
@@arnowisp6244 lf you want heroes then you can go look for them in other media but Luffy doesn't care for that and was honest enough to admit that he's not interested in that sort of thing. Plus, he's done more good than harm but l'm not so concerned over what he might do so much as l'm more concerned about what he's actually done. He also has had moments when he chose to not fight and to resolve things peacefully like with Bellamy and in Drum island. Also, aren't there differences between shonen heroes and western heroes?
@@thirdplanet4471 And thankfully he hasn't caused great harm to good people so far but like I said he could easily do so and it still wouldn't contradict his character. Just because he's honest about it doesn't mean I'm not concerned on that possibility. Also, That's why I love Deku from My Hero Academia. Most American comics anyways are either terrible stories or characters who play hero ombut aren't anything as such.
Arno Wisp, superhero comics only went to shit whenever normie SJWS ruined the comic book franchise, and I hate Deku as a character because a Shonen protagonist isn’t supposed to be a whinnying, crying, little bitch like Deku for example badass Shonen protagonists are Zoro from One Piece, SSJ2 Gohan from DBZ, Killia from Hunter X Hunter 2011, Roy Mustang from Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, Goku from Dragon Ball, Zatch Bell from Zatch Bell, Naruto from Naruto, and Light Yagami from Death Note just to name a few.
And yet, even though Luffy will freely admit that he is selfish, I actually think that he *is* a hero. He's acted heroically many times for entire islands and countries. Sure his motivations may have been to only help out the people closest to him, like his friends, but his actions often prove liberating and beneficial for so many others.
To me it totally makes sense since he is the son of a revolutionary and the grandson of the biggest hero in the navy, he is heroic in his veins but he projects it in his own way, he doesn’t want to dedicate his whole life to a corrupt government and he doesn’t want to disconnect himself from his loved ones for the greater good, he simply wants to be the man with the most liberty in the world, and he is willing to give this freedom to whoever he befriends and will fight to the ends of the earth to protect his family
I think oda just wants to make sure we understand that luffy is complex...he does not want people seeing him as a hero...he's different hes himself...for better or worse...
Well, Anti Hero is title you may looking for Luffy In his Core he is a good guy(wants freedom, saving people he cares/innocent), but not entirely(would be an absolute nightmare to the cook/sometime his ignorance can be annoying)
Luffy has only one rule: Being free! That is why all the members from his pirate crew act so independently, because all their goals just happened to match Luffy's. The story goes beyond, making every member to believe that turning Luffy into pirate king will help them at some point to realize their dreams. Following this philosophy gives more sense to the idea that pirates are pirates because of their greed and selfishness (in my opinion). However, with One Piece being a shonen battle, everything has to be a little bit more "colorful" to the readers!
This is exactly why in the Jaya arc Luffy doesn’t positively respond to Blackbeard even though the speech he gives is completely identical to Luffy’s philosophy… At face value. Blackbeard and his crew are the dark reflection of the Straw Hats, willing to do the most heinous acts in order to achieve their goals.
Bad guy : join us, together we can rule new world Luffy : never, you hurt peoples and i will never forgive you! Bad guy : but i have foods Luffy : wakatta.
wardyyan ryuuga im 100% sure that luffy willn’t do that shit think of it shiki gives offer to rogers to conquer the world but he don’t want it because he don’t want to be someones underling ya think luffy is so stupid to accept that shit if you think then go stop watching OP
luffy has never fought bc of pity which is what most heroes tend to do, stick up for the weak. when usopp was fighting for his life for his own island, that's when luffy fought with him, bc he showed he has courage and strength. luffy didn't wanna fight for momo until he also stepped up and showed some chivalry and only then luffy agreed to help. sure some of the things he does is heroic, but he isn't a hero. just a dude who wants to do what he thinks is right.
Even with Shirahoshi too! He shit on her until she got the courage to follow him out in megalo's stomach. He helped her out with deken because mainly he did take her out and she was courageous enough to follow him so she becomes his responsibility (on top that she fed him as well).
There is SOME truth to Luffy's reasoning; a hero is always expected to do the right thing, but Luffy only wants to do whatever he wants. If what he wants coincides with the right thing to do, then to him, that's just a coincidence. In the end, it's really all about how you see yourself, y'know?
@Kiyomi I read this other comment further analyzing Luffy character, and I’ll try to make it justice. Basically Luffy is saying that a Hero is willing to sacrifice what is dear to him in order to do the righteous thing, take Garp for example the so called Hero of the Navy he was willing to let Ace die, he chose his job over his family, meanwhile Luffy is the kind of guy that doesn’t sell out his friends and will always protect them no matter the situation, damned be the consequences. In this instance, he doesn’t care if the fish people see him as a villain or someone bad, this Hody Jones fella is threatening his friends and Luffy wants to punch the heck out of him, and it is simple as that, he is a Pirate so to him it is expected to not have the best of perceptions, he’ll protect his friends and family no matter that the world thinks of him
@shanks the scarlet emperor If what Luffy wants to do just happens to coincide with what a hero would do, that would make no difference to him. Luffy's the type of character who'd rather focus on things that affect him on a personal level. Whether it's something as simple like fighting over seconds at dinner, or something deep and meaningful as being there for a friend, it doesn't matter what everyone else sees as right and wrong, he does what HE thinks is right.
I think this scene right here along with the time Luffy stopped Usopp when he was asking about the One Piece explain everything a viewer needs to know about Luffy's character tbh
Typically, he and the crew leave positive changes in their wake and save people from certain doom. Luffy isn't often driven to save someone for the sake of saving them; it's usually only if he feels he owes something to them or he sees someone he likes being treated unfairly that he takes action so I wouldn’t possibly call him a hero cause he’s more “both”
Zoro is like the older brother Luffy had instead of Ace in his life, and Sabo in Dressrosa onwards seems to be a better older brother to Luffy than Ace.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr zoro is not Luffys older brother lmao. Luffy is the man Zoro wants to follow. Luffy isn't as stupid as people thinks he is. And Ace was a good big brother. Alot of what Luffy values came from Ace. Like living without Regrets and being free.
Funny thing is Luffy encompasses all the major aspects of a hero . The only thing holding his simple mind back is him being too greedy to share his meat with anyone but luffy. Has shown that his is willing to starve for those that he calls friend.
To be fair we all know if Luffy saw someone starving to death on a sidewalk he’d (reluctantly) give them some of his food, like Goku he isn’t a Superhero that goes around looking for crimes to stop and people to help but if he just happens to be walking by when stuff like that is happening he’ll step in.
It's not even expansive, people are just stupid and stuck in "Um Actually..." mode. Says more about them, than the character. Just chatty loons who want to feel right.
Despite being with luffy now, chopper is still shocked everytime at how luffy behaves, i absolutely love his shocked reactions to luffy. He is very cute as well
Luffy may be right. However I knew from start that all he did was personal to him. However despite all of that, something in my mind still tells me he's a hero. Not like others really, but the type who follows his heart. That follows what truly is right by his soul which turned to be true in many cases. He's the type that denies being a hero yet is stl a hero in his own right. Heroes DO NOT want to die, they will save lives sure and maybe are ready to die which both luffy and garp do numerous times. They still try to survive and live. I hope luffy understands that someday...maybe he will later on when seeing scabbard bravery. Until then I'm glad he at least likes heroes....and that he agreed to be one thanks to meat
Luffy : Heroes selflessly save people Some live concepts : Allow us to introduce ourself Luffy : No, too hard to understand (There's a live concept that says "When you help people, you're helping yourself") A Hero also depends on who you are, Luffy is a hero for his friends, and he's a "Hero" simply by not being an $hole
That was one of my favorite moment Ah no wait every moment in One piece is always funny (except serious ones like the war to save ace you know what I mean)
What zoro and luffy means to be a hero LUFFY: I DONT WANT TO BE A HERO BECAUSE HERO SHARES THE MEAT IWANT TO EAT THEM ALL ZORO: I DONT WANT TO BE A HERO BECAUSE HERO SHARES THE BOOZE IWANT TO DRINK THEM ALL
jinbei is literally the only one in the Series that has a track record of making luffy listen and keeping him from either getting himself killed or doing something stupid. Luffy's lucky to have him now.
To most of the East Blue, Alabasta, Skypiea, Fishman Island, and Dressrosa, he is a hero. The Navy should just send him an invitation to join them for his heroic deeds and even offer him an admiral seat, just to poke fun at him.
Well, the tittle Hero can only be given by people. So when people call Luffy hero, or savior, he usually won’t admit it because his knows once he is tied to those labels he needs to fulfill other people’s expectations. So he wants to be a Pirate, not a Marine, and ignores Yonko’s politic games. Luffy do care about his friends, but he couldn’t care more about people’s expectations on him. Oda makes that really clear. The way SH crew bonds, too. Support, trust, and have no expectations, lol for health reasons. Just look at Law. 😂😂 Jimbei, at this part, is just coping that before he officially gets on the ship. 😂😂😂
I like that Luffy admired heroes like we saw with Sogeking, but has no intention or desire to actually be one. Every time he becomes a "hero", it is purely by coincidence.
if Momonosuke had asked him why didn't want to become a Hero, he would've become a Hero in Wano. But because Momonosuke is a kid and Kinemon is an idiot, they didn't ask for an explanation.
I think the vision of a hero that luffy has is limiting. In his vision, a police officer or a fireman who saves people wouldn't be heroes because it is their jobs, for example. He can still be considered a hero, though a more complex version of one.
That's not at all the vibe I'm getting from him. If anything, police officers and firemen are definitely heroes because they do the cool thing and save people, but lack the freedom he desires. Obviously it's not about the meat-- okay, it is, but the thought behind it is that Luffy can do what he wants.
Luffy may be selfish when it comes to his personal ambitions or items , but he will always help the innocent people who are suffering because of evil pirates or the celestial dragons.
What Luffy did hear was what pirates do he only agreed to save fishman Kingdom when jimbe offered him meat. Pirates don’t commit good deeds or save people out of kindness they’re free to do what they want to satisfy themselves
When looking at why Jinbe didn't want Luffy to face Hordy, I sometimes ask myself if he really had a good point. Because judging by how Hordy was already being viewed as a villain to his people, don't you think at this point, ANY human would have been the hero, even it was someone like the Celestial Dragons? The only thing that would have really made Jinbe right is if Hody & his crew planed to lose on purpose in front of the largest audience he can find, and trick everyone into feeling so sorry for them that they'll never want to befriend humans ever again, even if it's just to save themselves! But due to being so prideful, I can't guarantee that Hody would go for that kind of idea, even if it did have some usefulness! Anyway, these are just my thoughts and opinions, I just wanted to know what you think?
And people call this a terrible anime or overrated. When they really just wont admit that they dont have the patience to sit through 800 plus episodes as of today.
@@randomduck8679 that's not heroic. It's called being selfish. He is selfish not selfless like heroes. Fishman protection came because they are people that he cares about but not because it is morally right like heroes do.
Luffy would only make sacrifices to his crew or family but no one else. If there's a bad situation that happens on a nearby island, he couldn't care less about it unless it involves his friends.
Would this here be correct or wrong?: Luffy doesn’t see himself as a hero because it doesn’t align with who he is. He’s not about saving people for recognition or doing things because they’re morally “right.” Instead, he acts based on what he feels is true to himself. He’s a pirate, and for him, being a pirate means adventure, freedom, and living on his own terms. He doesn’t burn villages or hurt people without reason, but he’s not trying to be a symbol of justice either. He’ll help people if it’s personal to him, or if it fits with his goals, but he won’t call himself a hero because that title comes with expectations and rules-something he’d never want to follow. Luffy admires heroes, but being one doesn’t suit him. He’d rather do things his way, even if it looks selfish or reckless. That’s what makes him stand out-he’s not trying to save the world; he’s just living the way he wants while inspiring others to do the same. (Is fhis missing something or is it straight up wrong?)
i just love jinbei’s face when he said “nani yooo?”
😂 😂 😂 Makes me laugh till this day, Jinbe slowly learning how selfish Luffy can be
Welcome to the Strawhats Jinbe, this is your new captain
Yes!!!!! Hahahshahahahahahahahah
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This is such a comedic moment but it encapsulates the fundamental difference between what people tend to think these protagonists are vs what the writer intends them to be. Oda gave us this reminder in a beautifully written exchange.
Luffy is complex like goku...hes not a boy scout..makes him more interesting...hes flawed.......he's got his own thoughts feelings..his actions prove who he is...words are talk only and cheap...up to this point hes been a hero to his crew...and us...he's just saying things...oda does not want people to see luffy as a role model
@@razkable Goku ant complex he just wants to fight looking at you TOP
@@loveonepieceforever8203 So ur just acting like Super Gorky and Z Goku aren’t fundamentally different in characterization
@@razkable Luffy is complex and way different from Goku. There’s NO way Goku is complex
@@himmel5909 I love Luffy, but he isn't complex too. He has the mindset of a little boy the most of the time.
Luffy DOES understand the concept of hero, with more nuance that people give him credit for.
A hero is someone who selflessly gives up things of their own for others. Their life, their time, their meat... They give it up so others are happy. They make the right choices at the right time so the consequences are fair and everything works out ok.
Luffy does not do that. he admires that, but... that's too much, isn't it? Give up his meat so others are happy without him? Give his life up just so others don't have to die? He wants to eat! He wants to live!
People die. people are assholes. It happens. A hero does not accept that - Luffy does. It sucks but he isn't the guy to change that.
Luffy doesn't want to think about consequences - he wants to do what his heart tells him to. He wants to do what will make HIM happiest.
When his friend was shot by a celestial dragon a Hero would want to find the best way to avoid consequences.
Avoid his friend dying. Avoid angering the celestial dragons against the fishmen further. Avoid upsetting the Marines. Try to keep peaceful relations between everyone, until they can calmly handle the situation well enough to avoid bloodshed.
Not Luffy. What would make Luffy the happiest right then and there would be to punch that smug piece of shit celestial's face, even if that means angering them. Even if that causes more bloodshed to the fishmen. Even if the Marines get roped into everything and make things messy.
Vivi was a hero, trying to take everything happening to her country on her own two shoulders, putting her life on the line to try and stop ANYONE from dying.
Luffys response?
People die. You want to save everyone, thus letting Crocodile get away with it? Like a superhero? Fuck that. I want to punch his stupid face in for being an asshole.
Jimbei wants Luffy to wait until the perfect moment to make his move so it dosn't look like humans oppressing fishmen again, so that Fishmen can start to trust humans again.
Wait? Luffy dosn't want to wait. Fuck the consequences, Hody is an asshole. Fishmen will hate humans more? Who gives a shit about what will happen as long as you're doing what your heart tells you to do. Hes a PIRATE - he is a man whose heart is free to do what it wants. Not a HERO.
*Well said my friend* 🤭
That's what being pirate king means to him- he's not bound by any rules or regulations
Facts, people are so quick call a chracter hero based on their actions of saving people rather than look at their motivation's behind it.
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@@supoa9489 I mean I'm willing to call someone a hero if they risk themselves for others sake. Luffy can be considered a hero just not a hero like Superman or Captain America. He's more like Goku. When people are suffering he won't ignore it but not every choice he makes has everyone else's need and wants in mind.
I bet Luffy has also unknowingly associated the word of Hero with Garp. While he loves his grandfather, he made sacrifices aplenty--and once his own family was put on display for execution Garp allowed it begrudgingly. Sacrificing family and love for Marine stability.
Luffy saw what a hero does, what they give up for to keep the title--Luffy will never let another loved one die like that. Ace would be proud.
But Garp had no choice. Also, the World Government ignored the fact that he teamed up with Roger's and told everyone that he was the only person to defeat Rocks. So I'm pretty sure Garp doesn't like that title.
@@tootzy-the-roll he did have a choice. Garp chose the greater good over his surrogate grandson. Luffy would have died to if not for his knack for gathering allies. Garp could have said fuck it all right then and there and become a pirate, but as a main pillar to the world government those who looked up to him and trusted him would have defected too. Effectively crippling the navy and world government, and inviting chaos in war. He had a voice and he chose to remain a hero.
@@brandonrodriguez4761 wrong sir lol. He let Luffy punch him to save Ace. Sengoku noticed that. Garp serves his own wishes which is why he decided to stay Vice Admiral.
@@bpr13632 , Sengoku is just Diet Garp in the Post-Timeskip Era, so yes Luffy, Ace, and Zoro knows what heroes are more than people like Jinbe at the beginning of Fishman Island does.
I don’t think garp will do the same mistake like what he did to ace if luffy or dragon gonna be executed. He has nor pity for villain but family is whole different story means garp put family other jobs. He just don’t know what to do since it was his first time to be in those kind of situation, so he choose not to do anything and put hopes that luffy can save ace.
If garp chose his job over family, than navy can win easily with garp involved to fight, luffy can’t even freeing ace if garp wasn’t let luffy punch him. Even without 3 admirals garp can duel a sick whitebeard with high possibility to win.
This scene so perfectly encapsulated Luffy. He isn't a hero, he's a pirate who is selfish... it just so happens what he covets is food, his friends, and good people - all things linked to being as free as possible, but coincidentally he seems heroic for protecting.
However, he has ruined several lives by some accounts. Luffy and crew are what I'd consider the epitome of Chaotic Good. They do good and are willing to help others. But ultimately they are in it for themselves.
@@linkblade0 When did Luffy ruin lives. And were they bad people? I have normie One Piece knowledge.
Kanna Kamui a lot of people escaped impel down. So probably didn’t join buggy or Blackbeard and went out into the world again.
Erik Johnson nonetheless, Blackbeard was gonna do that anyways and what he did was worse than what luffy did.
He helped those rabbits at chopper’s island without any actual reason. He just chose to help them
I love how Jinbei didn't even question Luffy's definition of a Hero but rather just went ahead and bought him with meat. Seems like Jinbei immediately realized what kind of person Luffy is.
Luffy’s hero comment is less about the meat but rather the intentions.
To him a hero is someone that’s willing to do sacrifices even they have to lose loved ones (for example, Garp being forced to give up Ace to be executed)
But a pirate doesn’t make those compromises, Luffy would care any less if the fish men think of him, he just want to punch the guy that hurt one of his friends.
Basically saying, Luffy has a good moral compass but he’s a selfish person at heart.
By offering meat as an incentive, in his eyes he isn’t actually being a hero but rather a pirate taking on a bounty to get treasure.
basically what a pirate should be like
Garp: "Luffy, become a marine and you will get tons of meat to eat everyday."
Luffy: "I understand."
Luffy is being both literal and metaphorical here. You can take what he is saying at face value but at the same time there a lot of meaning to it
Garp should have offered him meat then Luffy could be a marine 😂😂😂
Still doesnt enough i think...after what shank sacrifice for him
i think Garp knows that but didnt do it
not enough meat in the world
Shanks vs meat shanks win luffy love shanke more than meat HAHAHAHAHAH
Ace convinced Garp to give up on the idea.
- "I love heroes but... I don't want to be one!"
- "Mmh..."
- "When you say hero, do you know what that really means?"
- "Mmh?"
I love them so much
Luffy redeems people..he's a hero to his crew
I love them*
@@fernandopizarrovillagarcia6992 Sorry, and thank you.
He is basically saying heroes make sacrifices he doesnt
That's an interesting way to look at it.
And he holds to that. All his heroic moments werent done out of sacrifice, it was to help his nakama and friends. He didnt risk his life to save robin, fighting against the most lethal man he had ever met, because it was unjust what was happening to her, he did all that because she is his crew mate! He didnt break into and out of impel down in an effort to save ace because thats what a hero does, he did it because ace was his brother! He didnt defeat crocodile because he was some hero, he did it because his friend needed his help. It was helping HIS crew, HIS friends. He is selfish, not selfless. Though its a strange selfishness.
@@chrishubbard64 Remember the Rabbit things that attacked his crew and caused an avalanche?
He still pulled one out from under the snow when it was unable to.
@@anexplosion5436 It's not like he wasn't brought up with morals and ideals. He has learnt from Naguri the meaning of respect towards his opponents and from Shanks that he shouldn't hesitate to save those he cares about, whatever the price.
@@chrishubbard64 i think you're actually wrong but then again right. in dressrosa, his purpose was to save all those ppl living there, and that is pretty much a heroic intention. but yes, most of his good deeds are because he cares for his nakama etc
Luffy is such a breath of fresh air as he isn't concerened about being a hero and all that jazz. He just wants to be free to do what he wants and could care less about how people view him. I really think other shounen main characters need to stop worrying about being a hero and all the praise and worship that comes with it.
No. We need real heroes from time to time. Not like American comics that have abandoned the idea of hero and deconstructed their characters to the point that they aren't anything close to heroes.
The StrawHats are could easily screw over other people with their actions. It just so happens that they, so far, have been beneficial to the people they've encountered.
@@arnowisp6244 lf you want heroes then you can go look for them in other media but Luffy doesn't care for that and was honest enough to admit that he's not interested in that sort of thing. Plus, he's done more good than harm but l'm not so concerned over what he might do so much as l'm more concerned about what he's actually done. He also has had moments when he chose to not fight and to resolve things peacefully like with Bellamy and in Drum island. Also, aren't there differences between shonen heroes and western heroes?
@@thirdplanet4471 And thankfully he hasn't caused great harm to good people so far but like I said he could easily do so and it still wouldn't contradict his character. Just because he's honest about it doesn't mean I'm not concerned on that possibility.
Also, That's why I love Deku from My Hero Academia. Most American comics anyways are either terrible stories or characters who play hero ombut aren't anything as such.
Arno Wisp, superhero comics only went to shit whenever normie SJWS ruined the comic book franchise, and I hate Deku as a character because a Shonen protagonist isn’t supposed to be a whinnying, crying, little bitch like Deku for example badass Shonen protagonists are Zoro from One Piece, SSJ2 Gohan from DBZ, Killia from Hunter X Hunter 2011, Roy Mustang from Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, Goku from Dragon Ball, Zatch Bell from Zatch Bell, Naruto from Naruto, and Light Yagami from Death Note just to name a few.
He’ll definitely not put up with the shit from Soul society or Hidden Leaf. He’ll go rogue almost immediately
And yet, even though Luffy will freely admit that he is selfish, I actually think that he *is* a hero. He's acted heroically many times for entire islands and countries. Sure his motivations may have been to only help out the people closest to him, like his friends, but his actions often prove liberating and beneficial for so many others.
To me it totally makes sense since he is the son of a revolutionary and the grandson of the biggest hero in the navy, he is heroic in his veins but he projects it in his own way, he doesn’t want to dedicate his whole life to a corrupt government and he doesn’t want to disconnect himself from his loved ones for the greater good, he simply wants to be the man with the most liberty in the world, and he is willing to give this freedom to whoever he befriends and will fight to the ends of the earth to protect his family
I think oda just wants to make sure we understand that luffy is complex...he does not want people seeing him as a hero...he's different hes himself...for better or worse...
Well, Anti Hero is title you may looking for Luffy
In his Core he is a good guy(wants freedom, saving people he cares/innocent), but not entirely(would be an absolute nightmare to the cook/sometime his ignorance can be annoying)
Luffy has only one rule: Being free! That is why all the members from his pirate crew act so independently, because all their goals just happened to match Luffy's. The story goes beyond, making every member to believe that turning Luffy into pirate king will help them at some point to realize their dreams. Following this philosophy gives more sense to the idea that pirates are pirates because of their greed and selfishness (in my opinion). However, with One Piece being a shonen battle, everything has to be a little bit more "colorful" to the readers!
True. It just so happens that the Strawhats won't or haven't screwed over other good people for their goals.
This is exactly why in the Jaya arc Luffy doesn’t positively respond to Blackbeard even though the speech he gives is completely identical to Luffy’s philosophy… At face value.
Blackbeard and his crew are the dark reflection of the Straw Hats, willing to do the most heinous acts in order to achieve their goals.
Bad guy : join us, together we can rule new world
Luffy : never, you hurt peoples and i will never forgive you!
Bad guy : but i have foods
Luffy : wakatta.
wardyyan ryuuga im 100% sure that luffy willn’t do that shit think of it shiki gives offer to rogers to conquer the world but he don’t want it because he don’t want to be someones underling ya think luffy is so stupid to accept that shit if you think then go stop watching OP
You're just an angry child lol he was just joking. If you can't take a joke then this world is not for you
@@Whatdahail
Have you ever heard of a fucking joke, when did you people became like this
@@Whatdahail Relax it's a joke :l
@@Whatdahail willn't
Luffy i dont want to be a hero ---> saves people and ilands everywhere they go 😂😂
But they don´t give away their meat!
@@ShadeScarecrow they did in water 7 although luffy used all nami's money 😂
I think his logic is basically "A hero is selfless and does good because it's good, I want to be able to do what ever I want whether it's good or not"
I mean, Luffy did get food at the end, so he’s already satisfied in helping them XD
luffy wanted meat
The way Jimbei is like a dad to him and it looks and sounds like he’s arguing with his father, love it
@1:35 I like how Robin is smiling in the background like it’s to be expected of Luffy🤣 and remember about Marco 🍍
わしとおまえさんの関係はなんじゃ！友達！ちょっと微笑ましい
わかるw
『わしとお前の関係はなんじゃ！！』
『友達！！』
『なんじゃと！？馴れ馴れしい！！』
@@kuro96424 それは草
†クロ執事 草
†クロ執事 草
luffy has never fought bc of pity which is what most heroes tend to do, stick up for the weak. when usopp was fighting for his life for his own island, that's when luffy fought with him, bc he showed he has courage and strength. luffy didn't wanna fight for momo until he also stepped up and showed some chivalry and only then luffy agreed to help.
sure some of the things he does is heroic, but he isn't a hero. just a dude who wants to do what he thinks is right.
I like how luffy told Momo to be a man that shit reminded me of myself with my little cousins lol
Even with Shirahoshi too! He shit on her until she got the courage to follow him out in megalo's stomach. He helped her out with deken because mainly he did take her out and she was courageous enough to follow him so she becomes his responsibility (on top that she fed him as well).
There is SOME truth to Luffy's reasoning; a hero is always expected to do the right thing, but Luffy only wants to do whatever he wants. If what he wants coincides with the right thing to do, then to him, that's just a coincidence. In the end, it's really all about how you see yourself, y'know?
@Kiyomi I read this other comment further analyzing Luffy character, and I’ll try to make it justice.
Basically Luffy is saying that a Hero is willing to sacrifice what is dear to him in order to do the righteous thing, take Garp for example the so called Hero of the Navy he was willing to let Ace die, he chose his job over his family, meanwhile Luffy is the kind of guy that doesn’t sell out his friends and will always protect them no matter the situation, damned be the consequences.
In this instance, he doesn’t care if the fish people see him as a villain or someone bad, this Hody Jones fella is threatening his friends and Luffy wants to punch the heck out of him, and it is simple as that, he is a Pirate so to him it is expected to not have the best of perceptions, he’ll protect his friends and family no matter that the world thinks of him
@shanks the scarlet emperor If what Luffy wants to do just happens to coincide with what a hero would do, that would make no difference to him. Luffy's the type of character who'd rather focus on things that affect him on a personal level. Whether it's something as simple like fighting over seconds at dinner, or something deep and meaningful as being there for a friend, it doesn't matter what everyone else sees as right and wrong, he does what HE thinks is right.
“i love heroes but i dont want to become one” idk why i found that cute lol xd
I think this scene right here along with the time Luffy stopped Usopp when he was asking about the One Piece explain everything a viewer needs to know about Luffy's character tbh
*the most heart touching speech by luffy*
Typically, he and the crew leave positive changes in their wake and save people from certain doom. Luffy isn't often driven to save someone for the sake of saving them; it's usually only if he feels he owes something to them or he sees someone he likes being treated unfairly that he takes action so I wouldn’t possibly call him a hero cause he’s more “both”
How to convince Luffy to something: Meat.
Basically the Scooby and shaggy of one piece
@@hagridthetable lmao Rubber's snack and Booze
that's what i've been screaming whenever hancock is on screen
肉1つで強敵をぶっ飛ばせるってある意味凄いww
J暇 確かにw
ルフィにとってのワンピースは、終わりの無い、ひと繋ぎの肉かな
@@eg5304 なんかラリってるよ文が
@@すは-z2f
絶対にありえん
とは言えない感じなんだよな
ラフテル＝笑い話って意味らしいし
生焼け肉かは分からないけど
一見、しょうもないものってことは確定してる。
Later, Zoro said the exact same thing with booze and not meat. #BFFGoals
Zoro is like the older brother Luffy had instead of Ace in his life, and Sabo in Dressrosa onwards seems to be a better older brother to Luffy than Ace.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr zoro is not Luffys older brother lmao. Luffy is the man Zoro wants to follow. Luffy isn't as stupid as people thinks he is. And Ace was a good big brother. Alot of what Luffy values came from Ace. Like living without Regrets and being free.
ルフィのこの単純さ好き
Funny thing is Luffy encompasses all the major aspects of a hero .
The only thing holding his simple mind back is him being too greedy to share his meat with anyone but luffy. Has shown that his is willing to starve for those that he calls friend.
To be fair we all know if Luffy saw someone starving to death on a sidewalk he’d (reluctantly) give them some of his food, like Goku he isn’t a Superhero that goes around looking for crimes to stop and people to help but if he just happens to be walking by when stuff like that is happening he’ll step in.
ヒーローのたとえゾロは酒だったな
"he didn't exactly follow the plan though"
Did he ever...
luffy's ideology laid out so simple anyone could get it yet it could be expanded on so much you could never explore it fully. I love oda man.
It's not even expansive, people are just stupid and stuck in "Um Actually..." mode. Says more about them, than the character. Just chatty loons who want to feel right.
Despite being with luffy now, chopper is still shocked everytime at how luffy behaves, i absolutely love his shocked reactions to luffy. He is very cute as well
Luffy may be right.
However I knew from start that all he did was personal to him.
However despite all of that, something in my mind still tells me he's a hero.
Not like others really, but the type who follows his heart. That follows what truly is right by his soul which turned to be true in many cases.
He's the type that denies being a hero yet is stl a hero in his own right.
Heroes DO NOT want to die, they will save lives sure and maybe are ready to die which both luffy and garp do numerous times.
They still try to survive and live.
I hope luffy understands that someday...maybe he will later on when seeing scabbard bravery.
Until then I'm glad he at least likes heroes....and that he agreed to be one thanks to meat
Luffy's logic....Is surprisingly flawless.
魚人島を救うヒーローになってくれ。
ヒーロー？イヤだ！！
なにぉ！？
俺たちは海賊だぞ！？ヒーローは大好きだけどなるのはイヤだ！
お前、ヒーローってなんだかわかってるのか？
例えば肉があるだろ？海賊は肉で宴をやるけど、ヒーローは肉を人に分け与える奴のことだ。
俺は肉が食いてぇ！
なにその基準…
問題は肉か。
じゃあ肉は食わせてやるから言う通りにせぇ。
……わかった。
解決！？に大爆笑したw
長すぎやろ
肉で宴をやる＝仲間内だけで肉独り占めにする
肉を分け与える＝自分は食えなくてもいいからみんなに食わせる
肉を食いてぇ！＝ホーディをぶっ飛ばしてぇ！
肉は食わせてやるから言うとおりにせぇ！ ＝ ホーディはぶっ飛ばさせてやるからタイミングは従え
こう考えるとルフィのヒーロー論
納得できる気がする
@@優良酒場 まあアニメ勢にはネタバレになるが
そのうち肉とか分けることになるんだよねワノ国で
-"You can have meat to eat if you'll listen to me"
- "I understand"
Then Caimie's laugh was so sarcastic like she was saying "what a baka".
Luffy : Heroes selflessly save people
Some live concepts : Allow us to introduce ourself
Luffy : No, too hard to understand
(There's a live concept that says "When you help people, you're helping yourself")
A Hero also depends on who you are, Luffy is a hero for his friends, and he's a "Hero" simply by not being an $hole
What? 11 years ago? I refuse to believe we were already post timeskip 11 years ago let alone in the fishman island arc… seems like yesterday fr
That was one of my favorite moment Ah no wait every moment in One piece is always funny (except serious ones like the war to save ace you know what I mean)
ゾロもおんなじこと言ってたけど、ルフィのヒーロー理論好き
1:40
Jimbei: Fine! I'll let you eat meat, but just don't act recklessly!
Luffy: *K*
I just love deadpan Luffy.
What zoro and luffy means to be a hero
LUFFY: I DONT WANT TO BE A HERO BECAUSE HERO SHARES THE MEAT IWANT TO EAT THEM ALL
ZORO: I DONT WANT TO BE A HERO BECAUSE HERO SHARES THE BOOZE IWANT TO DRINK THEM ALL
Naah,,
Zoro's part was more like A good guy(heroes) shares their shake, but i won't.
A hero shares their panties with everyone. Nami, Robin, please be my heroes.
- Brook
Remember when he rob an entire village for give it to poor ?
jinbei is literally the only one in the Series that has a track record of making luffy listen and keeping him from either getting himself killed or doing something stupid. Luffy's lucky to have him now.
To most of the East Blue, Alabasta, Skypiea, Fishman Island, and Dressrosa, he is a hero.
The Navy should just send him an invitation to join them for his heroic deeds and even offer him an admiral seat, just to poke fun at him.
Welp for that the shishibukais exist but i think that his chance was gone after ennies lobby
I don't know how much money Doflamingo spent on trying to lure Luffy with the Mera Mera no mi when he could have just gone down to the kitchen.
True
I mean Luffy was already salivating at the prospect of high quality meat even before it was revealed what surprise Mingo had for him
Well, the tittle Hero can only be given by people. So when people call Luffy hero, or savior, he usually won’t admit it because his knows once he is tied to those labels he needs to fulfill other people’s expectations. So he wants to be a Pirate, not a Marine, and ignores Yonko’s politic games.
Luffy do care about his friends, but he couldn’t care more about people’s expectations on him. Oda makes that really clear.
The way SH crew bonds, too. Support, trust, and have no expectations, lol for health reasons. Just look at Law. 😂😂
Jimbei, at this part, is just coping that before he officially gets on the ship. 😂😂😂
I like that Luffy admired heroes like we saw with Sogeking, but has no intention or desire to actually be one. Every time he becomes a "hero", it is purely by coincidence.
Jinbei, the master of argumentation
Imagine if Garp employed this type of logic when training Luffy. We'd have a hard-core Marine on our hands
"I don't want to be a hero because hero because hero share their meat with people"
A philosophy by Monkey D. Luffy
Meat: exists
Luffy: *I WANT TO EAT ALL THE MEAT*
Hero is what people call Garp, of course he doesn't want to be like his grandpa
Luffy is a simple man with simple needs
if Momonosuke had asked him why didn't want to become a Hero, he would've become a Hero in Wano. But because Momonosuke is a kid and Kinemon is an idiot, they didn't ask for an explanation.
One Piece is so philosophical and so deep, yes yes.
That has got to be the smartest thing Luffy has ever said like... Ever
don't lie Luffy. You're a hero to many by now!
1:45 that same "wakata" he said in the alabasta arc with Terracotta
I think the vision of a hero that luffy has is limiting. In his vision, a police officer or a fireman who saves people wouldn't be heroes because it is their jobs, for example. He can still be considered a hero, though a more complex version of one.
That's not at all the vibe I'm getting from him. If anything, police officers and firemen are definitely heroes because they do the cool thing and save people, but lack the freedom he desires. Obviously it's not about the meat-- okay, it is, but the thought behind it is that Luffy can do what he wants.
One of the reasons why Luffy is one of the🐐shonen protagonists
Luffy is like Solid Snake : "I'm not a hero and I will never be"
I love how Robin is just smiling at their interaction ☺️
1:12 Be prepared Jinbe, you're gonna have to say that a lot if you ever get to sail with them
Jinbei knows how to deal with Luffy 😅
The best Nani I have seen in my life 1:12
U said what I wanted to tell. I mean just look at his expression!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"So the problem is meat?"
lmao sanji 🤣
ルフィ２年間で精神年齢は成長しなかったのか...
スーパーマンやヒロアカのオールマイトやデクを見ればヒーローになりたくない気持ちはわかりますね。
メリットなしの命懸けの人助けというボランティアを率先して行うのが真のヒーロー。だから当然報酬を求めない。
ルフィは少しの報酬もなしに、戦うことはしたくないと言っている訳です。大半の人間がそう思いますね。
The meat was his example. I love that he picked an example that he'd enjoy
I mean chopper is shocked that he would agree so easily, but for Luffy its no longer being a hero, its being a mercenary
Luffy was defining what his stomach was thinking not defining what a hero is
Luffy may be selfish when it comes to his personal ambitions or items , but he will always help the innocent people who are suffering because of evil pirates or the celestial dragons.
Even after 8 years i still laugh hard at this dont know how many Times i watched this already xD
ジャンプの主人公ってバカキャラだったのがいきなり頭使って戦うことが増えたりする場合多いのに、ルフィずっとバカだからめっちゃいい
昔のルフィはバカって言うより天然とか単純寄りだったけどね
he doesnt want to be treated like a hero bc he will be obliged to be one like it.. he just love adventure and does heroic things unintentionally..
What Luffy did hear was what pirates do he only agreed to save fishman Kingdom when jimbe offered him meat. Pirates don’t commit good deeds or save people out of kindness they’re free to do what they want to satisfy themselves
First time seeing jinbe reacts like this will definitely make you laugh, cause jinbe usually have serious face like zoro 🤣🤣
I love how Luffy understands the concept of heroes and pirates but he saved so many lives so he’s a hero by default
Luffy is not a idiot, he just have a
1-dimensional brain capacity.
The perception of hero in Luffy's brain: sharing meats or having all meats for himself... I like that! 🤣
Zoro in the back taking notes😂😂
one piece will always make me cry. dammit
Finally! A true definition of a hero
correction it's not in episode 544 as said in the description but episode 554 I just watched
When looking at why Jinbe didn't want Luffy to face Hordy, I sometimes ask myself if he really had a good point. Because judging by how Hordy was already being viewed as a villain to his people, don't you think at this point, ANY human would have been the hero, even it was someone like the Celestial Dragons?
The only thing that would have really made Jinbe right is if Hody & his crew planed to lose on purpose in front of the largest audience he can find, and trick everyone into feeling so sorry for them that they'll never want to befriend humans ever again, even if it's just to save themselves! But due to being so prideful, I can't guarantee that Hody would go for that kind of idea, even if it did have some usefulness!
Anyway, these are just my thoughts and opinions, I just wanted to know what you think?
And people call this a terrible anime or overrated. When they really just wont admit that they dont have the patience to sit through 800 plus episodes as of today.
Facts
Luffy is a hero, until he has to share his niku.
"i want a world where my friends can eat all they want"
Luffy after fighting Kaido
It is nice to see a shonen where the main character openly doesn’t want to be a hero and is selfish.
He's pretty heroic despite it. He protected Fishman Island against Big Mom.
@@randomduck8679 that's not heroic. It's called being selfish. He is selfish not selfless like heroes. Fishman protection came because they are people that he cares about but not because it is morally right like heroes do.
Reminds me of Gon. Gon is pretty selfish
@@_jillybean luffy is the adult version of gons morality
1:42
Meat problems require Meat solutions.
that one frame of luffy face changing get everyrtime
Luffy has made sacrifices the only one he wouldn’t make is giving up his meat
Luffy would only make sacrifices to his crew or family but no one else. If there's a bad situation that happens on a nearby island, he couldn't care less about it unless it involves his friends.
Chopper's reaction everytime 😃😃
The issue in this conversation is that Jimbei is a hero.
Would this here be correct or wrong?:
Luffy doesn’t see himself as a hero because it doesn’t align with who he is. He’s not about saving people for recognition or doing things because they’re morally “right.” Instead, he acts based on what he feels is true to himself. He’s a pirate, and for him, being a pirate means adventure, freedom, and living on his own terms.
He doesn’t burn villages or hurt people without reason, but he’s not trying to be a symbol of justice either. He’ll help people if it’s personal to him, or if it fits with his goals, but he won’t call himself a hero because that title comes with expectations and rules-something he’d never want to follow.
Luffy admires heroes, but being one doesn’t suit him. He’d rather do things his way, even if it looks selfish or reckless. That’s what makes him stand out-he’s not trying to save the world; he’s just living the way he wants while inspiring others to do the same.
(Is fhis missing something or is it straight up wrong?)
Luffy: 🤬
Jimbei: 🥩
Luffy: ☺️
1:11 the best xD
Navy - u hve one piece
Luffy - yes
Navy - wanna trade for meat
Luffy - HAAAAAYYYIIIII