The pity is someone with his obvious talent is neglected today in a concert hall. His music was looked at with admiration from Haydn. They both were in the same Masonic lodge. The sadness is for people to really appreciate his music is to hear it. There is a harmonic quality that Mozart didn't always have in his symphonies.
Not sure it’s really helpful to link Haydn with the Masons. Haydn attended a lodge once only - for his admission - in 1785, he never went again, and was then removed from the membership in 1787 (it was the same lodge to which Mozart had been admitted shortly before). After leaving Germany and moving to Stockholm, Sweden in 1778, Kraus only spent a very short time in Vienna in 1783 as part of a four year European tour, and even part of that time was spent on a trek out to Eszterhaza to visit Haydn; he missed Mozart altogether. In short, are you certain about Kraus being ‘in the same Masonic lodge’ ?
Mozart is always on another planet. Kraus is very good, but for example in this symphony his Eb Major has not an armonic quality comparable with Mozart's Eb Major. I think that the only real mozartian-like masterwork in his life is C Minor Symphony VB 142. Nonetheless is true that he should be more played in concert halls.
@@leonardomauretti6742 Each composer has their own voice. Why does he need to be 'Mozartian'? Even if we judge his works to be "inferior", which is a completely subjective thing anyway, let's listen to Kraus and Ries and the other forgotten names and let them speak for themselves without needless comparison.
@@ihaveacoolnickname Yes, I agree with you, every musician has its own voice, and we have only to hear and to love all them for their talent, but it was an answer about " harmonic quality"in comparison with Mozart's. To judge over harmonic quality is not subjective, this symphony is in Eb Major and it was an opinion about his Eb Major in this symphony. Anyway no doubt about the fact that it is a very interesting and good level work, and that Kraus should be broadly rediscovered.
@@leonardomauretti6742 I would completely disagree, Kraus’s music has such a unique soundscape that is somewhat comparable to Haydn’s but is also not, it’s very original. It’s quite intellectual music that’s very unpredictable compared to likes of Mozart’s overly formulated style...and I love Mozart but here we must be realistic in terms of the level of music making presented here.
Very briefly: Born 20 June in Miltenberg am Main. Musical education mainly in Mannheim, and legal studies in Mainz and Gottingen (apologies - I can’t do the umlaut!). 1778 moved to musical court of Gustav III in Stockholm. 1782 - 1786: four year musical tour of Europe during which, in 1783, whilst in Vienna, he took a trip out to Eszterhaza to visit Haydn who called him a ‘genius’. (Kraus did not meet Mozart whilst in Vienna). Died 15 December 1792.
@@smirnoff6619 if my facts are right, while staying in Vienna, Kruas lived just a few streets down from where the Mozarts lived! such a pity they never met as Mozart would have surly thought very highly of Kruas’s music.
@@smirnoff6619 You need to be careful about anachronistically back-dating Mozart’s fame and popularity today to a time in the early 1780’s when it did not exist to anything like the same degree, especially as some of the fame that Mozart did have was as a keyboard performer. Even Haydn had barely heard of Mozart until they first met probably in 1783, so Kraus not seeking him out is actually not all that surprising.
One of the most beautiful second movement ever wrote in classical symphony
A very fine piece!
Отличная музыка. Академично так
The pity is someone with his obvious talent is neglected today in a concert hall. His music was looked at with admiration from Haydn. They both were in the same Masonic lodge. The sadness is for people to really appreciate his music is to hear it. There is a harmonic quality that Mozart didn't always have in his symphonies.
Not sure it’s really helpful to link Haydn with the Masons.
Haydn attended a lodge once only - for his admission - in 1785, he never went again, and was then removed from the membership in 1787 (it was the same lodge to which Mozart had been admitted shortly before).
After leaving Germany and moving to Stockholm, Sweden in 1778, Kraus only spent a very short time in Vienna in 1783 as part of a four year European tour, and even part of that time was spent on a trek out to Eszterhaza to visit Haydn; he missed Mozart altogether.
In short, are you certain about Kraus being ‘in the same Masonic lodge’ ?
Mozart is always on another planet. Kraus is very good, but for example in this symphony his Eb Major has not an armonic quality comparable with Mozart's Eb Major. I think that the only real mozartian-like masterwork in his life is C Minor Symphony VB 142. Nonetheless is true that he should be more played in concert halls.
@@leonardomauretti6742 Each composer has their own voice. Why does he need to be 'Mozartian'? Even if we judge his works to be "inferior", which is a completely subjective thing anyway, let's listen to Kraus and Ries and the other forgotten names and let them speak for themselves without needless comparison.
@@ihaveacoolnickname Yes, I agree with you, every musician has its own voice, and we have only to hear and to love all them for their talent, but it was an answer about " harmonic quality"in comparison with Mozart's. To judge over harmonic quality is not subjective, this symphony is in Eb Major and it was an opinion about his Eb Major in this symphony. Anyway no doubt about the fact that it is a very interesting and good level work, and that Kraus should be broadly rediscovered.
@@leonardomauretti6742 I would completely disagree, Kraus’s music has such a unique soundscape that is somewhat comparable to Haydn’s but is also not, it’s very original. It’s quite intellectual music that’s very unpredictable compared to likes of Mozart’s overly formulated style...and I love Mozart but here we must be realistic in terms of the level of music making presented here.
Where did he study?
Very briefly:
Born 20 June in Miltenberg am Main.
Musical education mainly in Mannheim, and legal studies in Mainz and Gottingen (apologies - I can’t do the umlaut!).
1778 moved to musical court of Gustav III in Stockholm.
1782 - 1786: four year musical tour of Europe during which, in 1783, whilst in Vienna, he took a trip out to Eszterhaza to visit Haydn who called him a ‘genius’. (Kraus did not meet Mozart whilst in Vienna).
Died 15 December 1792.
@@elaineblackhurst1509 If Mozart wasn't in Vienna why didn't he just wait up for him? Or he had to go already and didn't have much time?
@@smirnoff6619 if my facts are right, while staying in Vienna, Kruas lived just a few streets down from where the Mozarts lived! such a pity they never met as Mozart would have surly thought very highly of Kruas’s music.
@@smirnoff6619
You need to be careful about anachronistically back-dating Mozart’s fame and popularity today to a time in the early 1780’s when it did not exist to anything like the same degree, especially as some of the fame that Mozart did have was as a keyboard performer.
Even Haydn had barely heard of Mozart until they first met probably in 1783, so Kraus not seeking him out is actually not all that surprising.
Mozart and J. S. Bach weren't really famous during their lifetime
Most of Mozart fame is thanks to his wife.
plenty of Haydn/Mozart era influence here....jn