I went to the the La Gleize militaria show a few years ago and when you drive around the area you wonder how they thought you could get huge tanks / armor through those narrow roads...It would be hard in good weather let alone in winter. There was usually a Panther tank in the area too but it was being restored so I didn't get to see it.
Cheers Ace, I can not say enough how much I have enjoyed watching your documentary and then reading the comments that other people who have family stories or first hand knowledge to help bring to life the stories from our past. Outstanding job for your hard work and for the fellow Belgians who add even more deep to the story. Great Work and it is truly appreciated and enjoyed.
My father fought in the ETO (14th Field Artillery Observation Btn.) and I wish he was alive to see Ace's channel. He'd doubtless feel as I do: that the reverence and respect in these stories come straight out of our host's heart. You're a keeper of the flame, Ace, and not just a historian. Regards, Kev ps. My father's squad used a Weapons Carrier to move about and locate enemy artillery and was involved in the relief of Bastogne; many of the victims of Malmedy were soldiers in what he called a "sister unit." -K.
Another great video Ace, you always deliver the best footage, all relevant to the subject. Those King Tigers have a kind of brutal beauty, they are amazing machines. I'll tell you a little anecdote about Tigers. My father was assigned to the Hampshire regiment in Normandy in '44 as a replacement. One day he was patrolling with his platoon. They were in cover and someone spotted a German Tiger (Mk 1 I assume). The officer passed his binoculars along the line so that everyone could familiarise themselves with this tank. When it was my father's turn he could see the German tankers clearly in their black uniforms, they were having a brewup. But he couldn't see the tank anywhere, so he asked his officer 'Sir, where is the Tiger? Is it behind that barn?' The officer replied, 'That barn is the tank!' My father had never seen any tank as big as that before! It looked twice as big as any allied tank he'd seen.
Great video thank you so much the modern day village video really adds to the reality of the story. As you are virtually seeing the village as they saw it in 1944. These old European villages never seem to change quite extraordinary that only time passes.
TheAceDestroyer if you watch the episodes of Greatest Tank Battles (granted, which came out a decade ago), one of the two episodes on the Battle of The Bulge will tell you from a veteran’s lips that it was a 76mm M5 Anti-Tank Gun.
I think that was the same episode where a Panther veteran described not even being worried about Shermans because they were no problem for a Panther. Then he describes, without a bit of irony in his voice, how his Panther got knocked out by a Sherman. Good series, except the music was so loud it drowned out the voices.
@@oldesertguy9616 The Sherman 75mm couldn't pen the front of a Panther, but the sides and rear were fair game. The 76mm Sherman, and the British 17-pounder on the Sherman Firefly, could reliably penetrate the front. Even the weak 75mm could disable the tank by hitting the tracks, hitting the shot trap on the lower turret, damaging the barrel of the cannon, etc. No tank was invulnerable.
I literally was at tiger 213 in la gleize this summer! I loved to see the beast irl and I loved the museum that had all sorts of rare stuff including a book from peiper himself!
The Tiger II 213 and the museum was at La Gleize. It's a wonderful museum indeed. One of my favourites in the area. Manhay has the Panther and a new museum, which I still need to visit. If it's on par with the other '44' museums I will be in for a treat.
@@TheAceDestroyer I had been to a lot of musea in the area when I stayed in Bastogne for 2 days. All super cool and I also loved the big Bastogne museum with the knocked out Sherman! I bought an original kar98k bayonet with sheath at the airborne museum. Sadly the Bastogne barracks were closed on the days we were there.
No matter what I am doing, if I see the notification come up that you posted a video... the world stops and I watch it. Then I continue with whatever I was doing.
@1.29i it is reported that this group of tigers was lagged behind the main force of Kampfgruppe Peiper and they hastened to catch up in the direction of LaGleize. So it is not unreasonable that they assumed the town was cleared, which was not the case.
Yes they used very poor tactics. I read about a lot of engagements like this on both sides. Senior leaders or infantry and armor leaders with little experience and/or no brains, go rushing into danger areas without giving it any thought. Tactically speaking, an urban area is nothing more than a danger zone, just like an open field with woods on the other side. You have to recon it before blundering forward. Even if you have to dismount some of your tank crewman to do the recon. It will take time and put you behind schedule but if you don’t, then you will get killed and will completely fail in you mission. And if you do dismount some tank crewmen to recon, you have to send at least two, so they can support each other on the ground and provide them with over watch from the tanks and a radio to talk to you with. In other words, just driving down the road in your tank isn’t a plan or a tactic, it’s stupid.
Excellent work, supported by knowledge and research. Coming back to the topic - maybe it was really worth it that such valuable equipment would destroy the soviet trashy T-34......
G'day, It could have Bin-Worse...; the British had a thing called a "PIAT" (Projector, Infantry, Anti-Tank...) which was technically a Spiggot-Mortar featuring a Loading Tray & designed for Shoulder-Firing from the Prone Position... The Germans had Panzerfausts & Panzerschreks... The Finns used Molotov Cocktails... The Japanese had Shaped-Charge Warheads mounted on a 5-metre Bamboo Pole, triggered with a String - to be pulled by the Operator after running up to the wicked naughty evil Enemy Tank, pushing the Charge against the Tank - BRACING THE POLE AGAINST THEIR ABDOMEN OR CHEST... ( so when fired, the Charge drills a Hole in the Tank with Molten Metal from the Charge-Liner..., and the Bamboo Pole was blown backwards Right THROUGH the fearsomely BRAVE Japanese Tank-Killer. By comparison, the Yank who Bazooka-ed these Tigers was lying SO Low & hidden SO Far back, that to this very day - NOBODY KNOWS WHODUNNIT... In the "Bravery Stakes"..., the Yanqis take quite a rear-mounted Backseat. Just(ifiably ?) sayin', Take it easy... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
No, you shoot, you get up and run like all hell because all the bazooka did was let the Tiger crew know there was something worth shooting at in the immediate area.
@@WarblesOnALot you must remember that the US troops was generally the M1A1 bazooka using an improved rocket, the M6A1 but it was rare that it achieved penetration against the very thick armour of the Königtigers and according to Zalooga it was considered useless against the North Korean T-34/85 during the Korean War. The Americans very soon discovered the Panzerschreck which was designed after captured American bazookas and found out that the German bazooka with it's enlarged rocket " far superior performance". They promptly requested an enlarged rocket but was rejected, why I don't know because it could have made the troops more effective against the "big cats ".....
@@paoloviti6156 G'day, Yeah, all that and a bag of Potato-Chips... What I was getting at is the point that US Military Doctrine is to NEVER attack unless Firepower Superiority is guaranteed & generally from Stand-Off Range. In this case, the very fact that nobody knows who fired what at the Tigers rather proves my point - which is that this was 1944 in France..., not 1941 on Bataan ; and "Bravery" is not required in anything like the quantities when one is part of a Force which has Numerical & Logistical Superiority, and one is able to score hits from so far away that 76 years down the track nobody knows who was firing what - merely that somebody hit the "Pussies" with something. No German Tanker was ever hit by a PIAT without knowing what it was..., because they flew so slowly they could be seen approaching via their Rainbow Trajectory... And when it comes to "Balls"..., the ones on the Japanese Anti-Tank Pike-Staff Kamikazes must've been so big as to cause them to all walk around Bow-Legged - to avoid bruising their knees (!). The fawning adoration with which some people regard the Troops of this, that, or the other Nation's Troops when looking through their Patriotic See-Backroscope strikes me as being between offensively patriotic and mindlessly jingoistic.., Tribalism at it's worst. The only people who are not scared in Combat are the Sociopaths (2% of Participants), who are seen to thrive in an environment where they're not only permitted to kill people, but they're admired, decorated, and rewarded for each successive Scalp they add to their Kill-Tally. (from David Grossman, MIT Professor of "Kill-ology" - who established that 60 days of continuous Combat results in (the other) 98% of Participants becoming Psychiatric Casualties - whereas the Sociopaths were already as mad as a bloody Meataxe long before they ever reach the Combat Zone - whereinat they win a lot of medals, if they survive all the risks taken due to their complete inability to imagine themself ever being kit, hurt, or killed). It's apparently why unmarried Teenagers make such eagerly enthusiastic Recruits - they can't imagine themeslves not being triumphally Victorious..., and the Weapons they're issued are the most deadly that they can imagine - so they therefore expect War to be exciting, satisfying, and quite good fun - because "someone else" will be doing all the suffering & the dying. Just(ifiably ?) sayin', Such is Life, Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
Hi. I dont dont know the mind set. However, why super heavy and 'key' unit was sent ahead with zero recon and support, into the worst environment possible?
These 4 tanks had lagged behind the main column of the Kampfgruppe. Earlier that day the leading elements had forced their way through the village without establishing a proper supply route through the town. By the time the 4 tanks under Wessel arrived, most of the town had been taken back by the American forces. For the 4 Tiger II's, their aim was to reach the column as fast as possible. Without proper reconnaissance and information it is a miracle how only one panzer was lost.
@@TheAceDestroyer 1) I always wonder, how super slow, and fuel guzzling vehicles got around from place to place. They drove. 2) To verify, did germans know, the village was retaken, before they let the tigers thru? Key bridge. Crazy not to guard.
I don't really know that. I believe they knew that it was partly retaken, but not exactly to what extent. The Germans fought over the bridge site for a few more days before it was destroyed on the evening of the 19th of December by American Engineers.
Kind of reminds me of the Turks taking their Leopard II tanks into Syria and the Kurds hammering them the same way. This was just the case of incompetent tank crews, the Jerry's fell behind the curve back in 1943 losing far more experienced men then they could replace and the men in these Tigers most likely and recently came out of MK IV's, or Stug III's
Yes, all Tigers should have been in the East. Panthers, Mark 1V's, Stug's III's were enough for the west; even the Panther could have been used in the West to a lesser degree. Peiper didn't like the idea of putting Tigers in battalions; he thought every panzer regiment should have a company of Tiger's to use as a basis.
@@davetorre1694 The idea was to use the Tiger II as a "breakthrough" tank. After an initial breakthrough the enemy lines, the Tiger IIs would be pulled back, while the regular panzer divisions continued the attack. I'm not saying that was a good idea, but that was the thinking.
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Both 'Duel in the mist 3' and 'Stavelot - La Gleize' list the following commanders; 105: Wessel, 211: Dollinger (009), later taken over by Klose. 131: Brandt, 132: Otterbein (later taken over by Brandt when the 131 broke down). 133: Wendt. Both these sources put Helmut Dannleitner in Tiger 134. Rolf Mobius was more likely to be in Tiger 205, while the 223 was commanded by Walter Müller. The full list of sources for this particular video can be found in the video description.
Unfortunately, I won't make a video on the 009. As it just broke down in Ligneuville on the 18th of December, it didn't play a role in the fighting in and around La Gleize. I thought Kalinowsky commanded the 008, but I might be wrong. He is an interesting ancestor none the less.
The AceDestroyer as the channel Panzer Picture said, it was thought that Kalinowsky was the Kommandant of 008, but it was clearly shown in the Tondorf footage that he was commanding 009.
The AceDestroyer my pleasure. Do you have a discord server I could join? I would love to assist in some of your videos. I am a history major and I am a huge fan of these kinds of things from World War II.
Germany could never match the Device for the Needed Application. Big tanks that are hard to get to the battle zone require massive amounts of fuel and a pro mechanic to fix it.
I don't have a video planned on the 332 like this one. However, Tiger 332 will get featured in another video about Taskforce Lovelady (still in the making).
Incompetent crew was the reason Tank 105 was lost, Bazooka rounds really had limited, if any damning effects against a Tiger II, even the high velocity 75mm Fire Fly tank destroyer round did little damage to the turret of the King Tiger. Back then the only way to take on a King Tiger was from the rear, or to take out a track, the Yanks didn't have their new 90mm heavy tank in combat at the time. If the Jerry's had the experienced crews in those Tigers like they did back in 1941/42 the war would have been much more costly for the Allied side.
Maybe. But the location of the battle is the main reason. This tank, with its incredible gun and optics, is designed for open space primarily. They negated their own advantage by following the enemy into the old city maze. I would never order my tanks into that town. I would raze it from a distance first. But then again, they most likely didn't even have enough rounds for that.
@@elim7228 One of the reason I say tank crew incompetents, an experienced tank commander would have known this and an experienced tank crew wouldn't have panicked from an anti tank round bouncing off it's hull like Tiger 105 did
OK, not really understanding what you are saying. There was no "the high velocity 75mm Fire Fly tank destroyer." The Firefly was a Sherman tank with a 17 pounder, 76.2mm gun. Or do you mean the Achilles, which was an M10 tank destroyer with the same 17 pounder as opposed to its original American 3 inch gun?
Because it's about Tiger II with turret number '105'. The video follows the Tiger during the Ardennes Offensive. The image itself states Tiger105 only (just like my video 'Tiger222') for aesthetic reasons.
It’s ashamed Germany did not just improve upon the Panthers and Tiger I’s rather than spending resources on such a cumbersome behemoth. ....... but it was a good thing for the allies ..... they along with other problems definitely slowed down the advance during the Battle of The Bulge.
Years ago I watched a documentary on Discovery about the Battle of the Bulge and they covered this episode. A US army veteran spoke of how he was an artillery-man and fired at the King Tiger with his M5 anti-tank gun and tank crew got scared and reversed into the building. Could be that.
I did not enjoy your post , I usually do. You have to tell the whole story . You mentioned nothing of ground troops of SS Joachim Peiper and the alleged masaccre of 146 civilians in Stavelot conflict? Malmedy ?
Well, this video isn't really about that. I just wanted to make a few videos showing what happened to the Tiger II's of the unit. Although the massacres should never be forgotten, I feel they don't belong in a video like this. That's more for longer videos about Kampfgruppe Peiper itself. In fact, I made a longer video about Kampfgruppe Peiper way back which does mention the massacres at Stavelot, Ster, Parfondruy,... You can always check it out, but it's a few years old now.
After the Normandy campaign, the s. SS. Pz.Abt 101 was refitted with Tiger II's and renamed to 501. www.axishistory.com/various/122-germany-waffen-ss/germany-waffen-ss-minor-units/1385-schwere-ss-panzer-abteilung-101--501
PEIPER n'est pas plus coupable que les Américains pendant WW2, en Corée ou au Vietnam. Ceci vaut aussi pour les Français en Algérie : l'histoire n'est écrite que par les vainqueurs ...
I have a letter from a man (I won't reveal who, without permission) that lived almost opposite the Lemaire house which 105 struck. He was five or six years old at the time. Men from companies A and B, 1st battalion of the 117th were infiltrating throughout the city, taking pot shots at the Tigers with AT grenades and bazookas. While this was going on, a small group of Waffen SS came into the house of my correspondent and made them all crawl into a potato cellar (these would have been men of Hans-Martin Leidreiter's company). About 20 more Germans were taking cover in the small courtyard adjacent to the house. The Americans seemed to be everywhere. The mother was Flemish and understood what the Germans were saying, and the language was extremely threatening, accusing the family of collaborating with the Americans. As this was happening 105 was struck on the mantlet by a bazooka, a picture provided shows the relatively small divot, much smaller than an AT gun would make (so certainly a bazooka). When 105 struck the house the gunner accidentally fired the gun and the recoil mechanism inside crushed a young man named Neumann who had been knocked from his seat. Jurgen Wessel and his crew carried Neumann into the house of the family in peril. Wessel was very gracious (not Waffen SS) and ordered the SS men to let the family out of the potato cellar, offered cigarettes to the adults and apologized for the rough treatment Leidreiter's men had subjected them to. All of the Germans left together carrying the dying Neumann with them. The family snuck out that night to the northern part of Stavelot (Erlinchamps) where the 1st Battalion mortars were emplaced. The family was fed and then the boy was treated to the American mortar crews tossing him one to another while calling him "Boy, son of Tarzan" and that was when the fear left him and he became a happy child again.
@@TheAceDestroyer It should be noted that Leidreiter himself was ahead with Peiper. The platoon left behind was to guard the bridge and were caught completely by surprise when the American companies (commanded by a Captain Kent) arrived seemingly out of nowhere from the north. The name of the officer in charge of that platoon is not known, but the family was sure he was going to shoot them. They believe that if Wessel had not arrived they would have been killed like many other civilians in Stavelot.
I note that I'm mistaken and that Wessel was indeed Waffen SS, his 501st temporarily attached to LSSAH. SS or not, he seems to have been an honorable man.
Panther was the best tank they prodiced king tiger was over weight underpowered and to difacukt to repair the panther was lighter faster and fsr more manovrable
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I’ve been to La Gleise and seen Tiger 213. Anyone who goes through the Ardenne must visit it and the museum there. Truly awesome.
It's a very good museum indeed!
I went to the the La Gleize militaria show a few years ago and when you drive around the area you wonder how they thought you could get huge tanks / armor through those narrow roads...It would be hard in good weather let alone in winter. There was usually a Panther tank in the area too but it was being restored so I didn't get to see it.
Fantastic presentation Ace. Your attention to detail and the inclusion of present-day views are exemplary. More soon, please!!
Cheers Ace, I can not say enough how much I have enjoyed watching your documentary and then reading the comments that other people who have family stories or first hand knowledge to help bring to life the stories from our past. Outstanding job for your hard work and for the fellow Belgians who add even more deep to the story. Great Work and it is truly appreciated and enjoyed.
Thank you very much! Yes, I'm always delighted to see these family stories in the comments. It adds so much more to the story.
I enjoyed this so much that I watched it 3 times. A great little tale of a behemoth of war coming to grief in a spectacular fashion.
My father fought in the ETO (14th Field Artillery Observation Btn.) and I wish he was alive to see Ace's channel.
He'd doubtless feel as I do: that the reverence and respect in these stories come straight out of our host's heart.
You're a keeper of the flame, Ace, and not just a historian.
Regards,
Kev
ps.
My father's squad used a Weapons Carrier to move about and locate enemy artillery and was involved in the relief of Bastogne; many of the victims of Malmedy were soldiers in what he called a "sister unit."
-K.
Thanks! It truly means a lot!
Great video Ace, always get excited when I see that you have up-loaded a new video.
I'm very pleased to hear that! Thank you very much!
Another great video Ace, you always deliver the best footage, all relevant to the subject.
Those King Tigers have a kind of brutal beauty, they are amazing machines.
I'll tell you a little anecdote about Tigers. My father was assigned to the Hampshire regiment in Normandy in '44 as a replacement. One day he was patrolling with his platoon. They were in cover and someone spotted a German Tiger (Mk 1 I assume). The officer passed his binoculars along the line so that everyone could familiarise themselves with this tank. When it was my father's turn he could see the German tankers clearly in their black uniforms, they were having a brewup. But he couldn't see the tank anywhere, so he asked his officer 'Sir, where is the Tiger? Is it behind that barn?'
The officer replied, 'That barn is the tank!'
My father had never seen any tank as big as that before! It looked twice as big as any allied tank he'd seen.
Thanks! And thank you for the personal story! I always thoroughly enjoy these!
Outstanding overview as usual...very informative.
Great video thank you so much the modern day village video really adds to the reality of the story. As you are virtually seeing the village as they saw it in 1944. These old European villages never seem to change quite extraordinary that only time passes.
Thanks again for this video. Thumbs up
TheAceDestroyer if you watch the episodes of Greatest Tank Battles (granted, which came out a decade ago), one of the two episodes on the Battle of The Bulge will tell you from a veteran’s lips that it was a 76mm M5 Anti-Tank Gun.
I think that was the same episode where a Panther veteran described not even being worried about Shermans because they were no problem for a Panther. Then he describes, without a bit of irony in his voice, how his Panther got knocked out by a Sherman. Good series, except the music was so loud it drowned out the voices.
@@oldesertguy9616 The Sherman 75mm couldn't pen the front of a Panther, but the sides and rear were fair game.
The 76mm Sherman, and the British 17-pounder on the Sherman Firefly, could reliably penetrate the front.
Even the weak 75mm could disable the tank by hitting the tracks, hitting the shot trap on the lower turret, damaging the barrel of the cannon, etc. No tank was invulnerable.
Ever noticed tiger 213 on display in the ardennes has a panther barrel as the original was cut off half way
I literally was at tiger 213 in la gleize this summer! I loved to see the beast irl and I loved the museum that had all sorts of rare stuff including a book from peiper himself!
The Tiger II 213 and the museum was at La Gleize. It's a wonderful museum indeed. One of my favourites in the area. Manhay has the Panther and a new museum, which I still need to visit. If it's on par with the other '44' museums I will be in for a treat.
@@TheAceDestroyer I had been to a lot of musea in the area when I stayed in Bastogne for 2 days. All super cool and I also loved the big Bastogne museum with the knocked out Sherman! I bought an original kar98k bayonet with sheath at the airborne museum. Sadly the Bastogne barracks were closed on the days we were there.
No matter what I am doing, if I see the notification come up that you posted a video... the world stops and I watch it. Then I continue with whatever I was doing.
Haha! Thank you very much! I hope you enjoyed it!
Great video, thanks!
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I am greatful for your knowledge and this channel it's brilliant
Amazing Research Thank You for sharing
Danke fuer die details. Sehr interssant.
A king with clay feet or as specialist said "fragile things 🤔 ". Another great video. Thanks
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Strange of them to go into an enemy controlled towm without any infantry support with so large tanks
@1.29i it is reported that this group of tigers was lagged behind the main force of Kampfgruppe Peiper and they hastened to catch up in the direction of LaGleize.
So it is not unreasonable that they assumed the town was cleared, which was not the case.
@@fryfrysk makes total sense, that explains why even when they got attacked in the bridge they decided to keep going and rush in
@@fryfrysk Good point Fred. 👍
Yes they used very poor tactics. I read about a lot of engagements like this on both sides. Senior leaders or infantry and armor leaders with little experience and/or no brains, go rushing into danger areas without giving it any thought. Tactically speaking, an urban area is nothing more than a danger zone, just like an open field with woods on the other side. You have to recon it before blundering forward. Even if you have to dismount some of your tank crewman to do the recon. It will take time and put you behind schedule but if you don’t, then you will get killed and will completely fail in you mission. And if you do dismount some tank crewmen to recon, you have to send at least two, so they can support each other on the ground and provide them with over watch from the tanks and a radio to talk to you with. In other words, just driving down the road in your tank isn’t a plan or a tactic, it’s stupid.
I find it amazing that the bridge could cope with the weight of Tigers crossing it.
New episode , hell yeah brother 🇬🇧
in Finland, the Parola armour museum is also amazingk place, o7
Awesome work, 👍from Perth Australia !!!
I agree! BC Canada 🍻
Excellent work, supported by knowledge and research. Coming back to the topic - maybe it was really worth it that such valuable equipment would destroy the soviet trashy T-34......
The tiger was very impressive at 75 tons, but imagine fighting it with just a bazooka? that took real balls!.
G'day,
It could have Bin-Worse...; the British had a thing called a "PIAT"
(Projector, Infantry, Anti-Tank...)
which was technically a Spiggot-Mortar featuring a Loading Tray & designed for Shoulder-Firing from the Prone Position...
The Germans had Panzerfausts & Panzerschreks...
The Finns used Molotov Cocktails...
The Japanese had Shaped-Charge Warheads mounted on a 5-metre Bamboo Pole, triggered with a String - to be pulled by the Operator after running up to the wicked naughty evil Enemy Tank, pushing the Charge against the Tank - BRACING THE POLE AGAINST THEIR ABDOMEN OR CHEST... ( so when fired, the Charge drills a Hole in the Tank with Molten Metal from the Charge-Liner..., and the Bamboo Pole was blown backwards Right THROUGH the fearsomely BRAVE Japanese Tank-Killer.
By comparison, the Yank who Bazooka-ed these Tigers was lying SO Low & hidden SO Far back, that to this very day - NOBODY KNOWS WHODUNNIT...
In the "Bravery Stakes"..., the Yanqis take quite a rear-mounted Backseat.
Just(ifiably ?) sayin',
Take it easy...
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
No, you shoot, you get up and run like all hell because all the bazooka did was let the Tiger crew know there was something worth shooting at in the immediate area.
@@oveidasinclair982 Hahahah! True!
@@WarblesOnALot you must remember that the US troops was generally the M1A1 bazooka using an improved rocket, the M6A1 but it was rare that it achieved penetration against the very thick armour of the Königtigers and according to Zalooga it was considered useless against the North Korean T-34/85 during the Korean War. The Americans very soon discovered the Panzerschreck which was designed after captured American bazookas and found out that the German bazooka with it's enlarged rocket " far superior performance". They promptly requested an enlarged rocket but was rejected, why I don't know because it could have made the troops more effective against the "big cats ".....
@@paoloviti6156
G'day,
Yeah, all that and a bag of Potato-Chips...
What I was getting at is the point that US Military Doctrine is to NEVER attack unless Firepower Superiority is guaranteed & generally from Stand-Off Range.
In this case, the very fact that nobody knows who fired what at the Tigers rather proves my point - which is that this was 1944 in France..., not 1941 on Bataan ; and "Bravery" is not required in anything like the quantities when one is part of a Force which has Numerical & Logistical Superiority, and one is able to score hits from so far away that 76 years down the track nobody knows who was firing what - merely that somebody hit the "Pussies" with something.
No German Tanker was ever hit by a PIAT without knowing what it was..., because they flew so slowly they could be seen approaching via their Rainbow Trajectory...
And when it comes to "Balls"..., the ones on the Japanese Anti-Tank Pike-Staff Kamikazes must've been so big as to cause them to all walk around Bow-Legged - to avoid bruising their knees (!).
The fawning adoration with which some people regard the Troops of this, that, or the other Nation's Troops when looking through their Patriotic See-Backroscope strikes me as being between offensively patriotic and mindlessly jingoistic.., Tribalism at it's worst.
The only people who are not scared in Combat are the Sociopaths (2% of Participants), who are seen to thrive in an environment where they're not only permitted to kill people, but they're admired, decorated, and rewarded for each successive Scalp they add to their Kill-Tally.
(from David Grossman, MIT Professor of "Kill-ology" - who established that 60 days of continuous Combat results in (the other) 98% of Participants becoming Psychiatric Casualties - whereas the Sociopaths were already as mad as a bloody Meataxe long before they ever reach the Combat Zone - whereinat they win a lot of medals, if they survive all the risks taken due to their complete inability to imagine themself ever being kit, hurt, or killed).
It's apparently why unmarried Teenagers make such eagerly enthusiastic Recruits - they can't imagine themeslves not being triumphally Victorious..., and the Weapons they're issued are the most deadly that they can imagine - so they therefore expect War to be exciting, satisfying, and quite good fun - because "someone else" will be doing all the suffering & the dying.
Just(ifiably ?) sayin',
Such is Life,
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
Hi. I dont dont know the mind set. However, why super heavy and 'key' unit was sent ahead with zero recon and support, into the worst environment possible?
These 4 tanks had lagged behind the main column of the Kampfgruppe. Earlier that day the leading elements had forced their way through the village without establishing a proper supply route through the town. By the time the 4 tanks under Wessel arrived, most of the town had been taken back by the American forces. For the 4 Tiger II's, their aim was to reach the column as fast as possible. Without proper reconnaissance and information it is a miracle how only one panzer was lost.
@@TheAceDestroyer 1) I always wonder, how super slow, and fuel guzzling vehicles got around from place to place. They drove.
2) To verify, did germans know, the village was retaken, before they let the tigers thru? Key bridge. Crazy not to guard.
I don't really know that. I believe they knew that it was partly retaken, but not exactly to what extent. The Germans fought over the bridge site for a few more days before it was destroyed on the evening of the 19th of December by American Engineers.
@@TheAceDestroyer I am not going to torture you longer. You did great. A surprising story. Thank you.
What happened to tiger 105
Should have saved them for the East and taken smaller tanks. Talk about bull in a china shop.
Kind of reminds me of the Turks taking their Leopard II tanks into Syria and the Kurds hammering them the same way. This was just the case of incompetent tank crews, the Jerry's fell behind the curve back in 1943 losing far more experienced men then they could replace and the men in these Tigers most likely and recently came out of MK IV's, or Stug III's
Yes, all Tigers should have been in the East. Panthers, Mark 1V's, Stug's III's were enough for the west; even the Panther could have been used in the West to a lesser degree. Peiper didn't like the idea of putting Tigers in battalions; he thought every panzer regiment should have a company of Tiger's to use as a basis.
@@davetorre1694 The idea was to use the Tiger II as a "breakthrough" tank. After an initial breakthrough the enemy lines, the Tiger IIs would be pulled back, while the regular panzer divisions continued the attack. I'm not saying that was a good idea, but that was the thinking.
What happend to tiger 132 ?
Nice footage
Thanks!
You know they don’t make many of something when you start featuring a specific individual number tank.
Last time I was this early Adolph was a popular boys name
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Lol my Fam name is Adolph. Hitler was written with F. ADOLF
May 2, 2019 - The most popular name for babies born in Berlin in 2018 was Muhammad, according to a Language Society for Germany ( Get ready boys it's coming )
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@@parabot2 sad isn't it.
0.57 in the vid looks like the solider is carrying a sten gun or the late war German knock off
Short but cool story.
nice intro man!
Thanks! I'm happy to see that you liked it!
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The barrel on that 213 Tiger is in recoiled position :(
Actually no, its barrel was destroyed and they used a Panther barrel to "fix" it. www.december44.com/en/tiger-213.htm
@@fintrollpgr Oh :( I taught it was from a nother King, and they left it in recoil. TY
King tiger 105 is from Hauptsturmführer Rolf Möbius.211 is Wessel tiger and Brandt is 223. Tiger 133 is from SS-Unterscharführer Helmut Dannleitner
Both 'Duel in the mist 3' and 'Stavelot - La Gleize' list the following commanders; 105: Wessel, 211: Dollinger (009), later taken over by Klose. 131: Brandt, 132: Otterbein (later taken over by Brandt when the 131 broke down). 133: Wendt. Both these sources put Helmut Dannleitner in Tiger 134. Rolf Mobius was more likely to be in Tiger 205, while the 223 was commanded by Walter Müller. The full list of sources for this particular video can be found in the video description.
@@TheAceDestroyerwww.panzerace.net/the-tiger-i/order-of-battle/101st-hv-ss-pz-btn.html
Wessel wasn't in 105 for sure !
TheAceDestroyer I cannot wait until you do a video on Königstiger 009. It was commanded by an ancestor of mine - Untersturmführer Eduard Kalinowsky.
Unfortunately, I won't make a video on the 009. As it just broke down in Ligneuville on the 18th of December, it didn't play a role in the fighting in and around La Gleize. I thought Kalinowsky commanded the 008, but I might be wrong. He is an interesting ancestor none the less.
The AceDestroyer as the channel Panzer Picture said, it was thought that Kalinowsky was the Kommandant of 008, but it was clearly shown in the Tondorf footage that he was commanding 009.
Oh nice, I missed that one I'm afraid. Thanks for letting me know!
The AceDestroyer my pleasure. Do you have a discord server I could join? I would love to assist in some of your videos. I am a history major and I am a huge fan of these kinds of things from World War II.
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Germany could never match the Device for the Needed Application. Big tanks that are hard to get to the battle zone require massive amounts of fuel and a pro mechanic to fix it.
Can you please do KT 332??
I don't have a video planned on the 332 like this one. However, Tiger 332 will get featured in another video about Taskforce Lovelady (still in the making).
@@TheAceDestroyer awesome thanks for your reply!
Incompetent crew was the reason Tank 105 was lost, Bazooka rounds really had limited, if any damning effects against a Tiger II, even the high velocity 75mm Fire Fly tank destroyer round did little damage to the turret of the King Tiger. Back then the only way to take on a King Tiger was from the rear, or to take out a track, the Yanks didn't have their new 90mm heavy tank in combat at the time. If the Jerry's had the experienced crews in those Tigers like they did back in 1941/42 the war would have been much more costly for the Allied side.
Maybe. But the location of the battle is the main reason. This tank, with its incredible gun and optics, is designed for open space primarily. They negated their own advantage by following the enemy into the old city maze. I would never order my tanks into that town. I would raze it from a distance first. But then again, they most likely didn't even have enough rounds for that.
@@elim7228 One of the reason I say tank crew incompetents, an experienced tank commander would have known this and an experienced tank crew wouldn't have panicked from an anti tank round bouncing off it's hull like Tiger 105 did
OK, not really understanding what you are saying. There was no "the high velocity 75mm Fire Fly tank destroyer." The Firefly was a Sherman tank with a 17 pounder, 76.2mm gun. Or do you mean the Achilles, which was an M10 tank destroyer with the same 17 pounder as opposed to its original American 3 inch gun?
@@princeofcupspoc9073 The Fire Fly Sherman used a 75mm high velocity gun, it was different from the standard Sherman which had a 76mm gun
So why is the title called Tiger II 105?
Because it's about Tiger II with turret number '105'. The video follows the Tiger during the Ardennes Offensive. The image itself states Tiger105 only (just like my video 'Tiger222') for aesthetic reasons.
The AceDestroyer thanks for your response.
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It’s ashamed Germany did not just improve upon the Panthers and Tiger I’s rather than spending resources on such a cumbersome behemoth. ....... but it was a good thing for the allies ..... they along with other problems definitely slowed down the advance during the Battle of The Bulge.
Years ago I watched a documentary on Discovery about the Battle of the Bulge and they covered this episode. A US army veteran spoke of how he was an artillery-man and fired at the King Tiger with his M5 anti-tank gun and tank crew got scared and reversed into the building. Could be that.
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I did not enjoy your post , I usually do. You have to tell the whole story . You mentioned nothing of ground troops of SS Joachim Peiper and the alleged masaccre of 146 civilians in Stavelot conflict? Malmedy ?
Well, this video isn't really about that. I just wanted to make a few videos showing what happened to the Tiger II's of the unit. Although the massacres should never be forgotten, I feel they don't belong in a video like this. That's more for longer videos about Kampfgruppe Peiper itself. In fact, I made a longer video about Kampfgruppe Peiper way back which does mention the massacres at Stavelot, Ster, Parfondruy,... You can always check it out, but it's a few years old now.
If it was SS it was 101, not 501...
After the Normandy campaign, the s. SS. Pz.Abt 101 was refitted with Tiger II's and renamed to 501. www.axishistory.com/various/122-germany-waffen-ss/germany-waffen-ss-minor-units/1385-schwere-ss-panzer-abteilung-101--501
PEIPER n'est pas plus coupable que les Américains pendant WW2, en Corée ou au Vietnam. Ceci vaut aussi pour les Français en Algérie : l'histoire n'est écrite que par les vainqueurs ...
Tanks need infantry support and infantry need tanks. If you go it alone you get whacked.
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I have a letter from a man (I won't reveal who, without permission) that lived almost opposite the Lemaire house which 105 struck. He was five or six years old at the time. Men from companies A and B, 1st battalion of the 117th were infiltrating throughout the city, taking pot shots at the Tigers with AT grenades and bazookas. While this was going on, a small group of Waffen SS came into the house of my correspondent and made them all crawl into a potato cellar (these would have been men of Hans-Martin Leidreiter's company). About 20 more Germans were taking cover in the small courtyard adjacent to the house. The Americans seemed to be everywhere. The mother was Flemish and understood what the Germans were saying, and the language was extremely threatening, accusing the family of collaborating with the Americans. As this was happening 105 was struck on the mantlet by a bazooka, a picture provided shows the relatively small divot, much smaller than an AT gun would make (so certainly a bazooka). When 105 struck the house the gunner accidentally fired the gun and the recoil mechanism inside crushed a young man named Neumann who had been knocked from his seat. Jurgen Wessel and his crew carried Neumann into the house of the family in peril. Wessel was very gracious (not Waffen SS) and ordered the SS men to let the family out of the potato cellar, offered cigarettes to the adults and apologized for the rough treatment Leidreiter's men had subjected them to. All of the Germans left together carrying the dying Neumann with them. The family snuck out that night to the northern part of Stavelot (Erlinchamps) where the 1st Battalion mortars were emplaced. The family was fed and then the boy was treated to the American mortar crews tossing him one to another while calling him "Boy, son of Tarzan" and that was when the fear left him and he became a happy child again.
Incredible! Thank you very much for sharing!
@@TheAceDestroyer It should be noted that Leidreiter himself was ahead with Peiper. The platoon left behind was to guard the bridge and were caught completely by surprise when the American companies (commanded by a Captain Kent) arrived seemingly out of nowhere from the north. The name of the officer in charge of that platoon is not known, but the family was sure he was going to shoot them. They believe that if Wessel had not arrived they would have been killed like many other civilians in Stavelot.
I note that I'm mistaken and that Wessel was indeed Waffen SS, his 501st temporarily attached to LSSAH. SS or not, he seems to have been an honorable man.
Hans ze transmission broke again.
Last time I saw something this large destroyed, dinosaurs became extinct.
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Well, it is Tiger II 105 isn't it. It has the same layout as my Tiger 222 video and I didn't know how else to put it.
@@TheAceDestroyer i know, but people may think about Tiger II with 105 mm (10,5 cm) L/68 cannon.
I sat and talk for hours with my Grandfather about all the Krauts he killed.
Did you ever talk talk to a German grandfather who talked about the yanks he killed?.
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🤣 Lmao sound like the narrator is reading out rhymes for kids
Panther was the best tank they prodiced king tiger was over weight underpowered and to difacukt to repair the panther was lighter faster and fsr more manovrable
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