It was Rita Coolidge's sister that wrote the coda. She recorded a single based upon it that can be found. Bobby talked about it in his book. It's obviously the same song, only with words and sung by Rita's sister. Tragic about Jim. His life seemed magical until he broke. What a discography.
Ive been looking for a "mugshot" of Jim Gordon...unobtanium..such a sad story of a genius drummer..i dont know much the drugs and alcohol played a part in Gordons fall from grace but what an inspiration to music..God bless
What a beautiful description starting at around 5:47. Jim indeed brought a "luminous touch" to so many recordings. I'm so looking forward to reading this book!
This guy says it's all some rich family's hoax: mileswmathis.com/gordon.pdf. Don't know if i believe it as much (see the same author's very credible work on the Manson/Tate event), yet, along with some Elizabeth Smart kidnapping story this pretty much tops the list of, "why write a book on it"? How much is Selvin really gonna make off of this?
Re: drummers who can exactly double-track an entire drum part - apparently Mike Kellie did that on 'Another Girl, Another Planet' by The Only Ones. No, I couldn't tell either!
Maybe a drummer can answer this...the engineers at Abbey Road invented what was called ADT (Automatic Double Tracking) for The Beatles to use, primarily on vocal tracks, in the mid-1960's (This according to Recording Sessions by Lewisohn). So why would the have a drummer manually double track something when you could do it with another tape machine contraption? Does it lose some live quality or something?
@bradparker9664 ADT is sometimes used on drums, but it makes the drums sound sort of thicker, not like one very powerful drummer. If you know Peter Gabriel or Kate Bush's albums from the early 80s, those have a lot of ADT drums (done with short modulated digital delay).
@@bradparker9664 It's probably a feel thing, in the same sense that when you double track vocals you'll get another take rather than copy and pasting, as it's the difference in nuance that gives it its flavour. ~ Alex
Something Worth Remembering is that in the early days of rock 'n' roll things were kind of desperate and you could maybe get away with being a bad drummer EXCEPT that rare people like JG inadvertently made sure drummers had to try for the high-level right off the bat and in this way fast forwarded the importance and ability of drummers for so many years to come
P.S: Those early days before rock 'n' roll was about to really explode were desperate times when Guitarist & Singer were the over-subscribed occupations...
@spongerubbertower it's been awhile since I heard him (Morrissey was a big fan) I don't know who his drummer was but wouldn't surprise me if he or she wasn't one of these UnSung session heroes Out of interest have you tried drumming yourself? The reason I ask is that you really get an appreciation for what someone does @ a high level when you try it out and realise how tricky it is! I've been drumming somewhat semi professionally for 32 years now and stories of overdubbing entire drum tracks, as was reported in this video, brings home just how skilled some people can be🤯
Never knew about Jim Gordon playing on "New Coat of Paint". (Tom Waits). I always thought that Shelly Manne was the drummer. Jim did provide the "foot tapping" on the title track ("The Heart of Saturday Night").
Bobby whitlock has a UA-cam channel that you might want to check out. There's several videos where he has talked about how the piano coda ended up on layla. He also talks about who wrote Superstar.
I don't think I can bring myself to order the book, due to the things that Jim Gordon did, e.g. beating up Rita Coolidge on the Mad Dogs and Englishmen tour. He might have been able to control his mental health a bit more if he had not been continuously 'wasted'!
John Green - What a scholarly approach you have to understanding a man's life. He's dead and will not benefit from any book sales. So what will you accomplish by not buying the book? You watched the video, right? UA-cam didn't send 25 cents to his coffin because you watched.
The Jim Gordon story is so bizarre it's impossible to know what's true, Miles Mathis offered an interesting alternative point of view in one of his essays, come to your own conclusions...
If he killed his mother then maybe he felt Prison was a fair outcome of this, so not wanting to go back into society has a rationale. He's probably not going to get many offers of sessions, gigs....even if able to play the drums as before, plus living in 'society' with acute psychosis, even if helped by medication, is not easy. Especially in the USA where welfare provision is not ideal.
It was Rita Coolidge's sister that wrote the coda. She recorded a single based upon it that can be found. Bobby talked about it in his book. It's obviously the same song, only with words and sung by Rita's sister. Tragic about Jim. His life seemed magical until he broke. What a discography.
Ive been looking for a "mugshot" of Jim Gordon...unobtanium..such a sad story of a genius drummer..i dont know much the drugs and alcohol played a part in Gordons fall from grace but what an inspiration to music..God bless
What a beautiful description starting at around 5:47. Jim indeed brought a "luminous touch" to so many recordings. I'm so looking forward to reading this book!
Beautiful wrap up from Mark. Many thaks to all.
A heartbreaking tale of a talented yet tortured musician. Definitely on the list to read.
This guy says it's all some rich family's hoax: mileswmathis.com/gordon.pdf. Don't know if i believe it as much (see the same author's very credible work on the Manson/Tate event), yet, along with some Elizabeth Smart kidnapping story this pretty much tops the list of, "why write a book on it"? How much is Selvin really gonna make off of this?
Amazing interview. Definitely worth reading.
He played on The Byrds' glorious version of 'Goin' Back', including that fantastic drum fill just before the dreamy vocal coda at the end.
The tom-toms on Keep On Growing are simply Godhead.
Fun fact if your a drummer according to everyone I talked to he played light like a jazz drummer and he tuned his drums well
The audiobook is out on February 27. I've just pre-ordered it.
Re: drummers who can exactly double-track an entire drum part - apparently Mike Kellie did that on 'Another Girl, Another Planet' by The Only Ones. No, I couldn't tell either!
Maybe a drummer can answer this...the engineers at Abbey Road invented what was called ADT (Automatic Double Tracking) for The Beatles to use, primarily on vocal tracks, in the mid-1960's (This according to Recording Sessions by Lewisohn). So why would the have a drummer manually double track something when you could do it with another tape machine contraption? Does it lose some live quality or something?
@bradparker9664 ADT is sometimes used on drums, but it makes the drums sound sort of thicker, not like one very powerful drummer. If you know Peter Gabriel or Kate Bush's albums from the early 80s, those have a lot of ADT drums (done with short modulated digital delay).
@@bradparker9664 It's probably a feel thing, in the same sense that when you double track vocals you'll get another take rather than copy and pasting, as it's the difference in nuance that gives it its flavour. ~ Alex
Something Worth Remembering is that in the early days of rock 'n' roll things were kind of desperate and you could maybe get away with being a bad drummer EXCEPT that rare people like JG inadvertently made sure drummers had to try for the high-level right off the bat and in this way fast forwarded the importance and ability of drummers for so many years to come
@spongerubbertower 🤭
And I'd love to see your dictionary and it's torn page
were "EXCEPT" once was😉
P.S:
Those early days before rock 'n' roll was about to really explode were desperate times when Guitarist & Singer were the over-subscribed occupations...
@spongerubbertower it's been awhile since I heard him (Morrissey was a big fan) I don't know who his drummer was but wouldn't surprise me if he or she wasn't one of these UnSung session heroes
Out of interest have you tried drumming yourself?
The reason I ask is that you really get an appreciation for what someone does @ a high level when you try it out and realise how tricky it is!
I've been drumming somewhat semi professionally for 32 years now and stories of overdubbing entire drum tracks, as was reported in this video, brings home just how skilled some people can be🤯
Never knew about Jim Gordon playing on "New Coat of Paint". (Tom Waits). I always thought that Shelly Manne was the drummer. Jim did provide the "foot tapping" on the title track ("The Heart of Saturday Night").
Bobby whitlock has a UA-cam channel that you might want to check out. There's several videos where he has talked about how the piano coda ended up on layla. He also talks about who wrote Superstar.
Bobby Whitlock is a liar and not very reliable.
To me, Lee Harris (Talk Talk) was the greatest drummer that ever came out of the UK. He was also drop dead gorgeous.
I don't think I can bring myself to order the book, due to the things that Jim Gordon did, e.g. beating up Rita Coolidge on the Mad Dogs and Englishmen tour. He might have been able to control his mental health a bit more if he had not been continuously 'wasted'!
John Green - What a scholarly approach you have to understanding a man's life. He's dead and will not benefit from any book sales. So what will you accomplish by not buying the book? You watched the video, right? UA-cam didn't send 25 cents to his coffin because you watched.
So mental health problems don’t happen to sober people?
Fishing for a good time starts wirh throwing out your line......
The Jim Gordon story is so bizarre it's impossible to know what's true, Miles Mathis offered an interesting alternative point of view in one of his essays, come to your own conclusions...
Huh ? You obviously didn't listen to this interview !
@@vibes..585 Huh ? I listened to the interview ! Why do you think someone selling a new book has been handed down the ultimate truth from Mount Sinai?
If he killed his mother then maybe he felt Prison was a fair outcome of this, so not wanting to go back into society has a rationale. He's probably not going to get many offers of sessions, gigs....even if able to play the drums as before, plus living in 'society' with acute psychosis, even if helped by medication, is not easy. Especially in the USA where welfare provision is not ideal.
He died in March
He's dead. He's turned down all offers to play as going to the studio or out on the road is very difficult for him right now.