There is a book that came out recently called "The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim Official Visual Companion". It has some interesting pictures which have been doing the rounds on one of the MESBG facebook groups i'm on. It has some new Haradrim designs in it.
Plastic High Elf warriors would sell like crazy - they're useable in both the Last Alliance (which I think GW needs to make a campaign book on) and the Angmar Wars (Lindon/Rivendell). Not to mention the War of the Ring. Thats 3 campaigns/eras.
I agree; I think they're going to try to go in a more star wars legion direction. Legion has managed to create a nice niche. But I shop a lot at the warhammer Cafe in tx and their lotr section is a single column on one wall. Which is less than even blood bowl. Hopefully this new marketing push will allow lotr to get more marketshare but it will compete with old world and AoS for fantasy wargaming.
I'd get a ton of them for sure; especially if their new ruleset/profile will also no longer be a carbon-copy of the Silvan Elves of Lorien and Thrandaddy-Halls.
The reason the ent model has been renamed is because GW gave it the wrong name initially afaik, it's just a fix, really. I also think the old Helm model will be replaced with a new version, it's just not named because his rules will be in the new version and he won't be moved to Legacy. Some character being removed and others staying mostly seems to be an issue of bloat? Isengard, Rohan and Mordor already have plenty of named heroes (and the former will get plenty more with the upcoming releases) but the Easterlings, Corsairs and Moria didn't really have anything (besides the Balrog. Oh, and Khamul who is actually leaving which is still weird) so I can understand keeping some of the FW/metal in those ranges. Definitely agree with having more battlehosts, though, they're so good for getting into the game and I really hope there's enough trust of GW in the game to invest into more plastics. The print-on-demand thing isn't something I can ever see them doing, though I'd love to have a replacement of the current MtO system. Instead of doing a handful of models every once in a while and rotating the range, a (probably kinda hidden if it ever were to happen, let's be honest) special page on the webstore where you can declare your interest in certain OOP models. Once enough people show interest in a certain model (with some kind of acknowledgement on the customer's part that they're expected to actually order the model once they declare interest), they'll do a production run for those who expressed interest. They won't have to invest into new printing equipment, customers have a bit more influence on what'll be made and they won't have to constantly swap out moulds (which afaik is why they do MtO runs to begin with).
"Are there any silver linings?" You're getting a new edition of your favorite game with a starter set filled with amazing new plastic models. Ask Mordheim about silver linings.
Losing a load of our favourite models and having an extremely solid game have a rules change… it’s been a worrying few weeks 😅 But things have looked pretty good since! So we’re pretty excited 😝
There are probably many reasons why different models were removed, some because they didn't sell, some because they are metal and GW has been moving away from them for years and some because of licensing. There is no way a large corporation would tell any of those reasons though. No marketing manager would just post a list of products they are no longer selling and say aloud that don't blame us, no one is buying these. Licensing agreements are also often complicated and full of minor clauses that often seem to make no sense to an outsider and no corporation would publish that either. For example, no one outside Amazon knows the exact terms of their own licensing agreement when it comes to Rings of Power. All these corporate reasons still suck for hobbyists, but considering how many obscure, out of order GW-original models are still left in the game for no apparent reason, I don't think the design team removed more than the models they were told to remove, the messy nature of the list of things being removed stinks like a negotiated compromise agreement.
Tooling up a sprue, on the chance that folk might buy them is just a massive gamble. It’s costs so much to make a mould and they have a finite life span. Then having thousands of something shelved and not selling just costs your business money.
Man, I do customer support for a company that has a multiplayer pvp game. I do spend a good chunk of my day replying to messages that say something like "the company is trying to destroy the game with their decisions!". Man like... wtf is this kind of line of thought? I'm just saying because you mentioned something similar to this a few times during the video and I really feel that lol
@@bvshark89 😂 I think we as a fan base take things personally when it comes to a game we have played for decades and spent god know how much money on… I’d never actually complain though 😂 just voice our opinion on our channel 😅
@TTAlliance oh, my comment came out a bit rough and agressive, I apologize for that. I felt like you were mentioning it like "come on guys, it's not like GW I trying to ruin the game", which I totally agree that they arent. They are a company and are trying to get a profit lol
I wouldn't worry about people who say about 'click bait' it's unfortunately a necessary tactic to gain followers (appreciate you didn't as well tbf) . And I want your channel to grow, so bloody well do it guys 😂
13:00 I have to disagree at this point. There are very good examples for games that kept and still keep a good, stable playerbase, after GW threw the systems away. Some of them even evolved into something better. Necromunda (before rerelease), Mordheim (Almanach), Warhammer Fantasy (9th Age, Oldhammer, Armies Project, OPR, dozens of studios for 3D-models) and even MESBG itself wasnt realy support for an eternity by GW and survived only through the community. So if a game dies, thats our fault as the community. We dont need a company to keep the games we love alive. We own everything we need to keep going, especially in our times with 3D-printing and internet. Boycotting is our only tool as consumers to have any impact, so we have to use this "weapon" or swallow more of this garbage.
@@ruas4721 I half agree with that. But a lot of people don’t and won’t 3d print. The larger percentage of the player base is always just going to be interested in official stuff, new releases etc. so while games may absolutely live on in player communities, it becomes more niche and somewhat stale without new releases, new profiles, new supplements etc
@@TTAlliance Like i said, its the communities fault. People always take the easy way and the easy way is buying from GW. But in the end you cant complain about something and support it at the same time, thats just hypocritical in my opinion. In case of GW people always got disappointed after they invested into something, in the hope it will get better in the future. Best example are the EndTimes. The new releases hyped up the game, people bought new armies and books, just to get fucked up a few months later. And GW still does the same in the other systems, like the Khorne faction (dont know its name in english), Deathwatch or Legion of the Damned in 40k. It cant be the solution to just eat all the **** GW serves, there must be a point where the community says "No".
@ I do agree with you. But I also think it’s a difficult situation. Because I usually very much enjoy the new releases, had (having) a great time with all the rise of Angmar stuff. Would hate to not have those things anymore
@@TTAlliance I understand that. But I bought and lost so many times and it only happens with GW. I play like a dozen of other tabletop games and not a single one went like "Oh, just delete this stuff for reasons". No other game gave me the feeling of wasting money or made me gambling if im lucky enought to play my army in the next edition. They give the players new stuff and update old models/rules, interacting with the community for feedback and communicate. Thats how you treat customers.
Why do people care so much about GW's decisions? We can play the game any way we want. This fan base has so many hang-ups for this game, and it has been like this for years. Get over it. Don't buy the stuff you don't like. Keep the minis you care for and keep on playing the game. The same thing goes for the rules. We don't even care about some rules since they are hard to remember, so we just leave them out. I think we play this game for the love of the original story, not because of sculpts or anything else. To be honest, the orc sculpts are awful. Actually, a lot of sculpts look terrible. But why care? Buy proxies.
because the majority of players usually go with gw guidelines. i can't find players for several older gw games anymore. also the competitive scene is very big and nobody there wants to play out of date rules as they are training for tournaments...
I just hope we get good replacments and actual support for this game it will be sad to lose so much and then oooops barely get new stuff. my group uses legends for every game system but damn my moria and Khazdum dwarves got hit
The main issue with GW is and always has been not being clear to their customers on what direction they are going. Always has to be for the $$. I've had store managers promise me I was save buying kits and promosing GW would expand on it just for it to be cut off a week later. (Old world, AoS 1e starterset etc). They really need to step up their communication.
A GW employee told me they want to get rid of the finecast models so that is the reason some of the Uruks and Goblins are gone and the ones that are staying are metal or will be released in metal like all the command packs
@@TTAlliance GW also said, back in 2011 (!!!) that they would get completely rid of metal models... And they still produce them in 2024. I know GW since early '90s and I never take too much seriously what they say...
Games Workshop are supposed to be building a new factory - so the space idea doesn't make much sense. It seems like they're streamlining the range in order to optimise profits, not so much making it more accessible to new players. Ever since GW became more widely known they've been making these self-destructive business first decisions more often. I don't understand why they can't forewarn us when these changes (model removal) are coming - that way GW gets the money from people making last minute purchases and the negative outcry over the decision is diminished. Its like FOMO is the first thing that GW focuses on to generate profit with the MESBG range.
Just keep playing the old way like my mates, maybe one day do some of the new stuff at a tournament or something. Either way, i love your battle reports and think its especially good when you guys act out the battles/units fighting and dying lol
I think it’s possible they had to retire khand and far harad due to the new companion book for war of the Rohirrim, seen some links from it and it says far harad don’t fight with shields, which is a shame as all the GW far harad have shields but if they no longer fitted the lore it makes sense they retired them
To speak to the licensing piece. The legal side of what you can say versus what you can’t say can be extremely precarious. My wife deals with this all the time in her job. There maybe obvious ways to communicate that are off the table due to legality. Now that might not be the reason why GW is not communicating well, but it is a reason to give grace in the current situation. I think what y’all are saying is right. If we want to get the best case scenario we need to invest in the new box set. Boycotting is not the answer.
Boycotting is definitly the answer. Its the only tool we have. I dont invest into a dead cow and hope that it will come back to life somehow. They dont even give us any hints of the future, its nothing else than gambling right now. The GW-community is way to passive and forgiving, its hilarious. If other companies would act like GW does, they would be dead in a year (and thats a good thing).
The thing is GW should have released good new along with the bad to soften the blow instead they dumped on us all these legacies things with 0 good news. Maybe some insight into the legacies profiles too
we've gotten a few new reveals of War of the Rohirrim stuff so far, and in two separate posts they've teased there a bunch more new stuff to come. if the art book for the movie that came out today in any indication there's plenty of potential new models to come based off the new film
@@Pointman138 that’s the thing tho I wouldn’t release this without having the good news on hand. ppl are overreacting but still GW slow rolling these is annoying lol
Honestly the people who simp for GW hideously and consumer decisions and moan that people are being negative, are the same people who say RoP is the best Tolkien adaption.
I’m sorry but some of this just brutal to hear. First video, reaction, off the cuff. Let it out. All good. But to come back, call this a silver lining, then just bitch more? The communication has been very clear. New movie coming, new edition coming, new models coming, new list building coming (LLs). Why get rid of things? Well didn’t you guys just say all armies should have plastic starter kits? Perfect, then why continue to sell metal warband kits? Didn’t they say things are going to LL? What is a realistic LL for Gildor/Erestor? Vrasku wasn’t in one? We even went as far as complaining about why the old Rohan warriors were being removed, even though they just rolled out these brand new ones. At that point, you just sign off. You want them to explain basic business principles? Can you go to a store and buy an iPod? How about a new 2005 car? We literally went from “is this game still alive, does GW even care about us?” Them putting in a ton of work to do a new edition with new models, only for the reaction to be this?! If I was them, I’d be thinking “this is why we don’t do shit for them. Cause they just complain and bitch no matter what we do.” Positivity guys. Lean into it.
@@Competentetyler 😂😂😂 wow. For the record, we are usually extremely positive about this game. But sometime we have emotional reactions… no need to be so aggressive 😅 thanks for watching
Its clearly mostly a liscensing thing, with some additional changes around streamlining ranges, and removing poor sellers. You are right though the overall result of this will depend on how their new releases are recieved and how much they do
It doesn't make sense why they're removing canon character models though. The abruptness of it didn't help, they could have alluded to it with the new anime focused boxset. I've seen a few comments from people who were initially interested in getting into MESBG, but GW's abrupt destruction of a large portion of the range threw them off the idea.
Funny how many people turned into IP lawyers overnight to protect the poor multimillion dollar company. I don't think this explanation holds any water, it's entirely based on conjecture by hardcore GW fans. At the end of the day I do not really care for what reason a product becomes significantly less attractive to me. Many people feel like there are better alternatives nowadays, especially with these ridiculous prices. And ultimately that's what the free market is all about. Making informed decisions. Not unconditional brand loyalty.
For me, it's just the slow trickle of information which is frustrating. I may be wrong, but I think it was revealed that there was a new edition coming in August. And yet whilst they have shared new models, a new starter box, details of what's leaving and a few minor details on changes to the game, it has so far taken at least 3 months and I still have many many questions. The alliance matrix for starters. I have some armies which are made up of different factions. Can they be aligned now? Rohan warriors have had a redesign but will this come to all troops like Rivendell Elves, Warriors of Minas Tirith, Orc Warriors? They emphasized that some of the models they are removing are due to models not existing. So if they want to take away equipment and horses etc from models because the model doesn't exist, then what about profiles like the War Drakes which never had models to begin with. Are they going too or are they finally going to give us a model? When does this all release? The slow trickle of information doesn't excite, it worries. It halts the ability of people to plan out armies. I mean I'm forging ahead with the army I was half way through building when this news dropped because I intend to only jump to the new edition if it doesn't affect me. If it does, then screw GW, i'm sticking with the current edition. So it kind of doesn't matter if they make my armies invalid. But at the same time, It would be nice to know rather than sitting here continuing to wait for answers. Especially, I imagine for others who want to commit to the new edition but won't buy anything or paint anything until they know that what they are buying and painting is actually a good use of their time. I mean, little example. Until I know for sure, I can't know for definite if the warbands will remain the same. What if they change all warbands to having a flat 15 troops regardless of hero. Or what if they make it so cavalry and infantry can't be mixed. What if they change the bow limits and someone who has constructed an army to be legal whilst sitting comfortably on the line but then is told that bow limits have been lowered and their army is now illegal and they need to get rid of bows and get more swords. I want to know the deal now. Or alternatively, maybe they should have announced it later and not left us waiting. I'd rather have 1 big update with details of rules changes and the whole slate of models than waiting for 1 model a week to be revealed and a little bit of information about how heroic actions are changing
WHY HAS HELM GONE?!?! THE NEW MODEL IS ABSOLUTE ASS. I can't lead the mighty rohirrim into battle under the leadership of street Santa. I was waiting for new books before buying the model. RAGING. I am hoping that they will reprint following the release of the film - maybe that's some sort of licensing thing.
Abandon GW, they don’t have our best interests in mind. 3D printing will, annoying as it is, be the future. We’ve circled all the way back to making tin soldiers on the stove.
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There is a book that came out recently called "The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim Official Visual Companion". It has some interesting pictures which have been doing the rounds on one of the MESBG facebook groups i'm on. It has some new Haradrim designs in it.
Plastic High Elf warriors would sell like crazy - they're useable in both the Last Alliance (which I think GW needs to make a campaign book on) and the Angmar Wars (Lindon/Rivendell). Not to mention the War of the Ring. Thats 3 campaigns/eras.
Yeah great point!! Wouldn’t it be good if they listened to fans 😂
I agree; I think they're going to try to go in a more star wars legion direction. Legion has managed to create a nice niche. But I shop a lot at the warhammer Cafe in tx and their lotr section is a single column on one wall. Which is less than even blood bowl. Hopefully this new marketing push will allow lotr to get more marketshare but it will compete with old world and AoS for fantasy wargaming.
I'd get a ton of them for sure; especially if their new ruleset/profile will also no longer be a carbon-copy of the Silvan Elves of Lorien and Thrandaddy-Halls.
The reason the ent model has been renamed is because GW gave it the wrong name initially afaik, it's just a fix, really. I also think the old Helm model will be replaced with a new version, it's just not named because his rules will be in the new version and he won't be moved to Legacy. Some character being removed and others staying mostly seems to be an issue of bloat? Isengard, Rohan and Mordor already have plenty of named heroes (and the former will get plenty more with the upcoming releases) but the Easterlings, Corsairs and Moria didn't really have anything (besides the Balrog. Oh, and Khamul who is actually leaving which is still weird) so I can understand keeping some of the FW/metal in those ranges.
Definitely agree with having more battlehosts, though, they're so good for getting into the game and I really hope there's enough trust of GW in the game to invest into more plastics. The print-on-demand thing isn't something I can ever see them doing, though I'd love to have a replacement of the current MtO system. Instead of doing a handful of models every once in a while and rotating the range, a (probably kinda hidden if it ever were to happen, let's be honest) special page on the webstore where you can declare your interest in certain OOP models. Once enough people show interest in a certain model (with some kind of acknowledgement on the customer's part that they're expected to actually order the model once they declare interest), they'll do a production run for those who expressed interest. They won't have to invest into new printing equipment, customers have a bit more influence on what'll be made and they won't have to constantly swap out moulds (which afaik is why they do MtO runs to begin with).
"Are there any silver linings?" You're getting a new edition of your favorite game with a starter set filled with amazing new plastic models.
Ask Mordheim about silver linings.
Losing a load of our favourite models and having an extremely solid game have a rules change… it’s been a worrying few weeks 😅
But things have looked pretty good since! So we’re pretty excited 😝
There are probably many reasons why different models were removed, some because they didn't sell, some because they are metal and GW has been moving away from them for years and some because of licensing. There is no way a large corporation would tell any of those reasons though. No marketing manager would just post a list of products they are no longer selling and say aloud that don't blame us, no one is buying these. Licensing agreements are also often complicated and full of minor clauses that often seem to make no sense to an outsider and no corporation would publish that either. For example, no one outside Amazon knows the exact terms of their own licensing agreement when it comes to Rings of Power.
All these corporate reasons still suck for hobbyists, but considering how many obscure, out of order GW-original models are still left in the game for no apparent reason, I don't think the design team removed more than the models they were told to remove, the messy nature of the list of things being removed stinks like a negotiated compromise agreement.
Tooling up a sprue, on the chance that folk might buy them is just a massive gamble. It’s costs so much to make a mould and they have a finite life span.
Then having thousands of something shelved and not selling just costs your business money.
Do you guys use proxies? And if so where do you buy them? Many thanks 🙏
@@smeg3519 yes we do. Forgemaster miniatures. Use code TTA15 for 15% off 😊
I’m so heartbroken that they getting rid of the great beast of gorgoroth 😢
Same 🥲
always be honest and say what you feel/think guys.
@@darksnap89 We always do ☺️
Man, I do customer support for a company that has a multiplayer pvp game. I do spend a good chunk of my day replying to messages that say something like "the company is trying to destroy the game with their decisions!". Man like... wtf is this kind of line of thought? I'm just saying because you mentioned something similar to this a few times during the video and I really feel that lol
@@bvshark89 😂 I think we as a fan base take things personally when it comes to a game we have played for decades and spent god know how much money on… I’d never actually complain though 😂 just voice our opinion on our channel 😅
@TTAlliance oh, my comment came out a bit rough and agressive, I apologize for that. I felt like you were mentioning it like "come on guys, it's not like GW I trying to ruin the game", which I totally agree that they arent. They are a company and are trying to get a profit lol
@@bvshark89 Haha no worries. We’ve received far more aggressive comments 🤣
I wouldn't worry about people who say about 'click bait' it's unfortunately a necessary tactic to gain followers (appreciate you didn't as well tbf) . And I want your channel to grow, so bloody well do it guys 😂
@@MSCodeAndGamer Haha thank you!! 🙏 Though views seem to be going down on the channel instead of up 🥲😂
Time to call GW for some marketing strategies 🤣 I'm sure they'll go up again!
13:00 I have to disagree at this point. There are very good examples for games that kept and still keep a good, stable playerbase, after GW threw the systems away. Some of them even evolved into something better. Necromunda (before rerelease), Mordheim (Almanach), Warhammer Fantasy (9th Age, Oldhammer, Armies Project, OPR, dozens of studios for 3D-models) and even MESBG itself wasnt realy support for an eternity by GW and survived only through the community.
So if a game dies, thats our fault as the community. We dont need a company to keep the games we love alive. We own everything we need to keep going, especially in our times with 3D-printing and internet.
Boycotting is our only tool as consumers to have any impact, so we have to use this "weapon" or swallow more of this garbage.
@@ruas4721 I half agree with that. But a lot of people don’t and won’t 3d print. The larger percentage of the player base is always just going to be interested in official stuff, new releases etc. so while games may absolutely live on in player communities, it becomes more niche and somewhat stale without new releases, new profiles, new supplements etc
@@TTAlliance Like i said, its the communities fault. People always take the easy way and the easy way is buying from GW. But in the end you cant complain about something and support it at the same time, thats just hypocritical in my opinion.
In case of GW people always got disappointed after they invested into something, in the hope it will get better in the future. Best example are the EndTimes. The new releases hyped up the game, people bought new armies and books, just to get fucked up a few months later. And GW still does the same in the other systems, like the Khorne faction (dont know its name in english), Deathwatch or Legion of the Damned in 40k.
It cant be the solution to just eat all the **** GW serves, there must be a point where the community says "No".
@ I do agree with you. But I also think it’s a difficult situation. Because I usually very much enjoy the new releases, had (having) a great time with all the rise of Angmar stuff. Would hate to not have those things anymore
@@TTAlliance I understand that. But I bought and lost so many times and it only happens with GW. I play like a dozen of other tabletop games and not a single one went like "Oh, just delete this stuff for reasons". No other game gave me the feeling of wasting money or made me gambling if im lucky enought to play my army in the next edition.
They give the players new stuff and update old models/rules, interacting with the community for feedback and communicate. Thats how you treat customers.
@ yeah totally agree with that
Why do people care so much about GW's decisions? We can play the game any way we want. This fan base has so many hang-ups for this game, and it has been like this for years. Get over it. Don't buy the stuff you don't like. Keep the minis you care for and keep on playing the game. The same thing goes for the rules. We don't even care about some rules since they are hard to remember, so we just leave them out. I think we play this game for the love of the original story, not because of sculpts or anything else. To be honest, the orc sculpts are awful. Actually, a lot of sculpts look terrible. But why care? Buy proxies.
because the majority of players usually go with gw guidelines. i can't find players for several older gw games anymore. also the competitive scene is very big and nobody there wants to play out of date rules as they are training for tournaments...
There is no rhyme or reason for the Great beast of Gorgoroth. It was a bullshit call.
I just hope we get good replacments and actual support for this game it will be sad to lose so much and then oooops barely get new stuff. my group uses legends for every game system but damn my moria and Khazdum dwarves got hit
The main issue with GW is and always has been not being clear to their customers on what direction they are going. Always has to be for the $$. I've had store managers promise me I was save buying kits and promosing GW would expand on it just for it to be cut off a week later. (Old world, AoS 1e starterset etc). They really need to step up their communication.
You are the most Canadian-looking Brits I've ever seen.
Thanks for the insights.
Well that’s random
A GW employee told me they want to get rid of the finecast models so that is the reason some of the Uruks and Goblins are gone and the ones that are staying are metal or will be released in metal like all the command packs
That would be nice if true. But a load of finecast are still in the range? So doesn’t seem right to me 😅
@@TTAlliance GW also said, back in 2011 (!!!) that they would get completely rid of metal models... And they still produce them in 2024. I know GW since early '90s and I never take too much seriously what they say...
Games Workshop are supposed to be building a new factory - so the space idea doesn't make much sense. It seems like they're streamlining the range in order to optimise profits, not so much making it more accessible to new players.
Ever since GW became more widely known they've been making these self-destructive business first decisions more often. I don't understand why they can't forewarn us when these changes (model removal) are coming - that way GW gets the money from people making last minute purchases and the negative outcry over the decision is diminished.
Its like FOMO is the first thing that GW focuses on to generate profit with the MESBG range.
FOMO is all they do since years. Every new release is sold out in 5 minutes. Perfect to maximise safe profit.
how can they say they have a storage problem, when their minis are constanly sold out???
As a long time warhammer fantasy, aos, 40K player ; first time eh?
lol it actually is the first time for mesbg... they have never outright culled ranges in this game system, so yes first time indeed.
Just keep playing the old way like my mates, maybe one day do some of the new stuff at a tournament or something. Either way, i love your battle reports and think its especially good when you guys act out the battles/units fighting and dying lol
That’s fair! And thank you! But, when do we act out the units fighting and dying?? 😅
@ Well maybe not so literally but when you make comments about how the battle is going between your units(just having fun with the game perse) ! 😃
If the issue is licensing they may not be allowed to say it.
A lot of times the license holder doesn't want their licensees blaming them for things.
Could be!
I think it’s possible they had to retire khand and far harad due to the new companion book for war of the Rohirrim, seen some links from it and it says far harad don’t fight with shields, which is a shame as all the GW far harad have shields but if they no longer fitted the lore it makes sense they retired them
No to your last question
To speak to the licensing piece. The legal side of what you can say versus what you can’t say can be extremely precarious.
My wife deals with this all the time in her job. There maybe obvious ways to communicate that are off the table due to legality.
Now that might not be the reason why GW is not communicating well, but it is a reason to give grace in the current situation.
I think what y’all are saying is right. If we want to get the best case scenario we need to invest in the new box set. Boycotting is not the answer.
Boycotting is definitly the answer. Its the only tool we have. I dont invest into a dead cow and hope that it will come back to life somehow. They dont even give us any hints of the future, its nothing else than gambling right now.
The GW-community is way to passive and forgiving, its hilarious. If other companies would act like GW does, they would be dead in a year (and thats a good thing).
If this is really a licensing issue why did basically all GW systems go through a similiar situation?
Yeah very true
I guess Warhammer Fantasy had a licensing issue too :)
The thing is GW should have released good new along with the bad to soften the blow instead they dumped on us all these legacies things with 0 good news. Maybe some insight into the legacies profiles too
Yeah that’s true
we've gotten a few new reveals of War of the Rohirrim stuff so far, and in two separate posts they've teased there a bunch more new stuff to come. if the art book for the movie that came out today in any indication there's plenty of potential new models to come based off the new film
@@Pointman138 that’s the thing tho I wouldn’t release this without having the good news on hand. ppl are overreacting but still GW slow rolling these is annoying lol
Honestly the people who simp for GW hideously and consumer decisions and moan that people are being negative, are the same people who say RoP is the best Tolkien adaption.
I’m confused if you’re saying that’s us or not? 😅
Will yall sell to the US
I’m sorry but some of this just brutal to hear. First video, reaction, off the cuff. Let it out. All good.
But to come back, call this a silver lining, then just bitch more?
The communication has been very clear. New movie coming, new edition coming, new models coming, new list building coming (LLs).
Why get rid of things? Well didn’t you guys just say all armies should have plastic starter kits? Perfect, then why continue to sell metal warband kits? Didn’t they say things are going to LL? What is a realistic LL for Gildor/Erestor? Vrasku wasn’t in one?
We even went as far as complaining about why the old Rohan warriors were being removed, even though they just rolled out these brand new ones.
At that point, you just sign off. You want them to explain basic business principles? Can you go to a store and buy an iPod? How about a new 2005 car?
We literally went from “is this game still alive, does GW even care about us?” Them putting in a ton of work to do a new edition with new models, only for the reaction to be this?!
If I was them, I’d be thinking “this is why we don’t do shit for them. Cause they just complain and bitch no matter what we do.”
Positivity guys. Lean into it.
@@Competentetyler 😂😂😂 wow. For the record, we are usually extremely positive about this game. But sometime we have emotional reactions… no need to be so aggressive 😅 thanks for watching
Its clearly mostly a liscensing thing, with some additional changes around streamlining ranges, and removing poor sellers. You are right though the overall result of this will depend on how their new releases are recieved and how much they do
It doesn't make sense why they're removing canon character models though. The abruptness of it didn't help, they could have alluded to it with the new anime focused boxset.
I've seen a few comments from people who were initially interested in getting into MESBG, but GW's abrupt destruction of a large portion of the range threw them off the idea.
Funny how many people turned into IP lawyers overnight to protect the poor multimillion dollar company. I don't think this explanation holds any water, it's entirely based on conjecture by hardcore GW fans. At the end of the day I do not really care for what reason a product becomes significantly less attractive to me. Many people feel like there are better alternatives nowadays, especially with these ridiculous prices. And ultimately that's what the free market is all about. Making informed decisions. Not unconditional brand loyalty.
Its definitly not about IP, maybe for a few models, but not for the majority.
For me, it's just the slow trickle of information which is frustrating. I may be wrong, but I think it was revealed that there was a new edition coming in August. And yet whilst they have shared new models, a new starter box, details of what's leaving and a few minor details on changes to the game, it has so far taken at least 3 months and I still have many many questions. The alliance matrix for starters. I have some armies which are made up of different factions. Can they be aligned now? Rohan warriors have had a redesign but will this come to all troops like Rivendell Elves, Warriors of Minas Tirith, Orc Warriors? They emphasized that some of the models they are removing are due to models not existing. So if they want to take away equipment and horses etc from models because the model doesn't exist, then what about profiles like the War Drakes which never had models to begin with. Are they going too or are they finally going to give us a model? When does this all release? The slow trickle of information doesn't excite, it worries. It halts the ability of people to plan out armies. I mean I'm forging ahead with the army I was half way through building when this news dropped because I intend to only jump to the new edition if it doesn't affect me. If it does, then screw GW, i'm sticking with the current edition. So it kind of doesn't matter if they make my armies invalid. But at the same time, It would be nice to know rather than sitting here continuing to wait for answers. Especially, I imagine for others who want to commit to the new edition but won't buy anything or paint anything until they know that what they are buying and painting is actually a good use of their time. I mean, little example. Until I know for sure, I can't know for definite if the warbands will remain the same. What if they change all warbands to having a flat 15 troops regardless of hero. Or what if they make it so cavalry and infantry can't be mixed. What if they change the bow limits and someone who has constructed an army to be legal whilst sitting comfortably on the line but then is told that bow limits have been lowered and their army is now illegal and they need to get rid of bows and get more swords. I want to know the deal now. Or alternatively, maybe they should have announced it later and not left us waiting. I'd rather have 1 big update with details of rules changes and the whole slate of models than waiting for 1 model a week to be revealed and a little bit of information about how heroic actions are changing
Y'all look like ya aged like Lincoln before/after the Civil War. The trauma is shared friends.
Rude 😅
Nah, they are as bad as we thought
WHY HAS HELM GONE?!?! THE NEW MODEL IS ABSOLUTE ASS. I can't lead the mighty rohirrim into battle under the leadership of street Santa. I was waiting for new books before buying the model. RAGING. I am hoping that they will reprint following the release of the film - maybe that's some sort of licensing thing.
I think there will be a new armoured version ☺️
Abandon GW, they don’t have our best interests in mind. 3D printing will, annoying as it is, be the future.
We’ve circled all the way back to making tin soldiers on the stove.
Not what they have done is good for the game
First they came for Fantasy and I said nothing…